The Dan Bongino Show - Ep. 632 Just How Big of a Scandal is This?
Episode Date: January 12, 2018Why are the Democrats rehabilitating the discredited Russian dossier? Here’s a theory. Here’s a report from May of 2017 which is troubling given the still open questions surrounding who the FBI... shared classified intelligence with. How big of a role did the dossier play in the spying scandal? Here’s a FISA court document exposing the misuse of raw intelligence information by the FBI and NSA. Pay attention to pages 20 and 83. CNN attacks Trump, again!  Copyright CRTV. All rights reserved. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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dan bongino all right welcome to the dan bongino show producer joe how are you today great to be
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I got a lot to get to today.
I'm hoping to get to some other topics as well.
There was a lot going on in the news.
I had a sideline due to this pressing urgency,
this fiasco being exposed about the spying on the Trump team.
I have a few more points on that too
and some unanswered questions and some emails here.
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on the show, Joe, but shout out. I got got an email and it was i've seen these guys before
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Okay, Joe.
Yes.
A lot going on, and where do we go?
We started with unanswered questions.
Let's do this first.
Kim Strassel has a wonderful piece in the Wall Street Journal today.
I will put in the show notes at Bongino.com.
Join my email list.
I'll email it right to you.
It may be subscriber only in the journal.
Some of the pieces are, some aren't.
But give it a look regardless.
I'll stick it in there.
The dossier rehab has begun.
And she has a really fascinating theory theory and that's going to play into
the second portion of this which is the unanswered questions left from the spying scandal on the
trump team now where we were if you listen to the shows during the week we've exposed a couple
things we've exposed that there's now no doubt anymore that the obama team was spying on the
trump team there is also no doubt that some people on the Obama team have denied that.
Susan Rice being one of them, she has since recanted about unmasking.
Jim Clapper has now stated on tape, if you've heard the last few shows,
who was Obama's director of national intelligence,
that he has no information about a FISA warrant.
So the question is, again, the Obama team is spying on the Trump team.
We now know that.
How were they doing it?
And why are certain Obama officials first lying about it and then some denying it all together
at least through a warrant why are they doing that now we're going to answer those in a second
but strassel's piece is important joe this is critical because she says something i hadn't
previously considered and uh one quick thing on this too folks. I'm getting a lot of information
from a lot of different people.
And I've gotten some emails, Joe,
from some people who have information saying,
hey, why didn't you cite this guy
or cite that guy?
Folks, when I get information, Joe,
have we not been clear about where it came from?
The problem is sometimes I get information
like a letter I got,
and you know who sent it.
You're listening to the show.
That's why you sent it.
From people that other people may have reported elsewhere and that's why i didn't cite
it you get what i'm saying like why didn't you cite joe armacost he said that first on twitter
i don't know i didn't read joe armacost thing on twitter i got it in a letter in the mail
so my apology i'm not stealing anybody's work folks okay i have a lot of sources on this and
that's why i've reported this story the way i have i'm not and we've given credit and link to everybody's stuff when appropriate i promise you so please
with the emails i get a few of them that were like nasty like they think we're stealing people's
stuff there are multiple sources out there giving us stuff okay this is important i got tipped off
to something a couple days ago and then this docile piece kind of uh excuse me strassel piece
maybe put two and two together
on this so the dossiers come back now and they're trying to rehab the dossier the democrats and
here's why here's what's going on when i say rehab the dossier joe remember just a few weeks ago we
saw that new york times piece come out say no no no don't pay any attention to the trump dossier
as used for a a template to get a pfizer warrant it was just a papadopoulos thing that did it. That started this investigation.
It wasn't the dossier. Don't worry.
It was this Papadopoulos thing. Now,
the FBI
just recently, folks, was
threatened with a contempt of
Congress citation, Joe, and had
to produce documents they've been delaying
producing for a really long time.
Now,
all of a sudden, the Democrats, they leaked the testimony
by Glenn Simpson, the Fusion GP, the producers of the dossier, right? In conjunction with Christopher
Steele. They leak his testimony. Remember, Dianne Feinstein, and I said to you that they were
leaking the testimony, the Democrats, because they're trying to give everybody else that's
going to testify in front of Congress and potentially the FBI a script to follow so they don't get into a false statement charge.
Make sense?
So a second part of this as well, though, is the Democrats must have seen something, folks.
This is critical.
on that committee who have seen the documents,
to be clear what I'm talking about,
produced by the FBI that were just produced, Joe,
about this whole thing surrounding Trump,
must have seen something that bothered them so much that they're realizing at this point
that even though this dossier started the Trump investigation narrative,
even though it really stinks to high heaven,
that that's the best they've got.
What did they see is the question.
That's what I'm going to get to in a second.
What did the Democrats in Congress see now who've now been exposed, Joe,
to almost the entirety of the FBI's background on this Trump spying case?
What did they see that so scared them that they are now back to square one?
The dossier did it, even knowing the dossier is complete, utter crap.
You see where I'm going with this?
They're now back to this narrative that we need to defend the dossier.
Now, Strassel saying in her piece to link back to that.
I know, folks, I know this gets a little confusing, but this is like the greatest spy novel ever except that it's actually real stossel saying in addition to my theory on this
that they released glenn simpson's testimony as a script for every other bad actor in this so they
don't get busted for um false statements right yeah stossel's theory jo Joe is that they're also doing it because things Simpson
said in his testimony
make him look
like kind of a white knight in this like oh
I was just doing this because I was afraid
Trump could be blackmailed
I think I said bribery in a prior I did mean blackmail
thank you to people email me Trump could be blackmailed
meanwhile it's nonsense information
you saw the example I used last time
if I know Joe has nothing to do with international terrorism and I go, hey, Joe, I'm going to threaten to go to the police if you don't give me $5,000 and I'm going to expose your links to international terror.
Joe's going to flip me the middle finger and go, I don't know.
I don't care.
Go to the police.
Yeah, exactly.
Just did.
I don't care because I have no links to international terror.
So that's a nonsense narrative right but she's saying that there
are things he said in the testimony joe that make the dossier the only palatable option right now
for the democrats to stand on no matter how bad it is because they're hiding something else now
and what i mean by that by the only only palatable narrative is Simpson does say some things in there where he says, Joe, you know, well, we did it because we were worried about blackmail for Trump.
You know, we did it because, you know, Christopher Steele had these good contacts and he's a MI6 agent or former MI6 agent, and he knows good intel when he sees it.
But then any critical questions he has to answer,
he basically says, I'm not answering that question.
So the Democrats probably said, well,
if we got to rely on this crap dossier right now
to hide the other stuff,
let's release the transcript to Simpson
where he mildly defends it
because this is the best we have.
Does that make sense?
Okay.
Now, what are they hiding?
By going back to narrative number one that cnn exposed
in the reporting year ago the dossier that started this the dossier the dossier
this is where it gets tough and and i'm i'm i'm just asking a question here folks i'm being
i'm not trying to be silly with you i'm asking a question i'm not making an assertion there's
a big difference the question here and i wrote this down to be clear because I don't want to screw
this up on you, is were Trump team members, American citizens, surveilled, they're trying
to make this as simple as possible, their email and phone records without a warrant, and why?
Now, there are some outlets out there, some people who have done some really good
reporting that are making some leaps of faith on this I'm not comfortable with. That's fine for
them to do. I have no problem. That's their own thing. They have their own content, and some of
it's very, very good. I'm not yet comfortable making the leap that the NSA FBI database was being used to read Trump phone and emails without a
warrant.
I'm not comfortable saying that yet.
Now I am comfortable saying that there's a whole lot of evidence right now,
circumstantial,
albeit that that may be the case and that might be what they're hiding.
The Democrats. Now you see what they're hiding, the Democrats.
Now, you see what I'm saying, Joe?
Let's go back to the dossier.
The dossier did it narrative
because if we admit the real narrative
that the NSA and FBI were spying on Trump's phone
and email records without a warrant
and they're American citizens,
oh my gosh, are we in a whole world of trouble.
You get what I'm saying?
So let's just stick with this crap dossier thing,
even though we know it's crap.
Make sense?
Now, you may say, Dan,
where's your circumstantial evidence at best
that they were doing this?
Because I know I'm trying to play a seesaw here.
I'm throwing a question out to you.
Were there phone and email records spied on?
I'm telling you,
I'm not willing to entirely make that leap yet,
and I don't have solid sourcing on it,
but I am telling you there's a lot of evidence
that this stuff may have happened. Here's the evidence.
Today's show notes
in addition to the
Strassel piece, Joseph. I'm going to
put a piece by an interview
with Sarah Carter from
Circa. She's at SarahCarter.com now,
but she was at Circa back then. It's a piece
from early
summer of around 2016
when this thing was all breaking uh news and here's i'm
going to give you a quote from the piece and this should make the hair on the back of your neck
stand up she says in this piece at circa and she talks about a fisa court a fisa intelligence
surveillance court uh document that was put out exposing some problems they had with
with searches i'll put that in the show notes too but i'll get to that in a second she says
for instance a ruling declassified this month by the foreign intelligence surveillance court
chronicles nearly 10 pages listing hundreds of violations of fbi's privacy protecting
minimization rules that occurred on Comey's watch.
Now, what are minimization rules?
Just to be clear,
minimization in a criminal case,
when I was a federal agent,
is if you have a wiretap going on, Joe,
and I'm wiretapping you for terrorism,
and you start talking about your laundry tomorrow,
I have to turn it off.
I can't listen to that.
I can only, that's called minimizing
how I'm exposing myself as a federal agent
to your conversations, right?
I did not know that.
That's what minimization is.
You're going to hear minimization referred to often.
On the FISA side, minimization takes on an entirely new context.
FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act,
allows U.S. government entities to spy on foreigners on foreign soil.
Once an American is involved, Joe,
there are minimization rules to say,
time out, stop.
There's an American citizen here.
We have to, there's a different procedure.
It's not just open season.
Now, Trump is an American citizen
and so is his team.
So if they were caught up in this,
it has to be a timeout.
So now, I'll read now that's now you understand what
minimization is i'm going to keep reading and now some of this will make sense as to why
the hair on the back of a lot of people's neck is standing up the behavior the fbi admitted to
a fisa judge just last month ranged from illegally sharing raw intelligence with unauthorized third
parties to it excess to accessing intercepted
attorney client privilege communications without proper oversight that the bureau promised
was in place years ago the court also opined aloud that it fears the violations are more extensive
than already disclosed now yeah baby i read through this entire 99-page document
from the FISA court.
It will be in the show notes.
Folks, pay particular attention to page 20
and particular attention to page 83.
Page 20 is where they talk about
on this disclosure that she's referencing
in a piece done last year,
which says to me Sarah Carter knows something.
Page 20 hits the fact that
basically the FBI was spying on Americans.
Now, to be clear,
the judge does say in many of these cases
it looks like an innocent mistake,
which I believe him
when they walk through the way it works and multiple communication transactions.
In other words, the fact that Americans may have been caught up in a web of email chains and it may have been a human error in not minimizing that because maybe they didn't see it.
But Joe, let me be clear on this.
He doesn't say they're all human error.
I got that too.
Which means if it's not an error,
it was done intentionally, right?
Nassim Taleb says what?
What is it?
The absence of evidence.
The evidence of absence
doesn't mean the absence of evidence
or something like that.
I always screw that one up,
but it's a good one.
It's from The Black Swan,
Joe's favorite book.
All right, here's another piece from the Circa piece.
The most serious, they're talking about the most serious problems
with this querying and this stuff,
involved the NSA searching for American data.
It was forbidden to search.
But the FBI, pay close attention here, Joe.
The FBI was also forced to admit its agents and analysts
shared espionage data with prohibited third parties. Oh, Joe. The FBI was also forced to admit its agents and analysts shared espionage data
with prohibited third
parties. Oh, boy.
Ranging from a federal
contractor to a private
entity that did not have the legal
right to see the intelligence.
Now, this is where
this next part, folks, I hate reading from these
things, but this is critical you understand
where we are.
Backtracking a bit.
Strassel writes today that the reason Democrats exposed the Simpson Fusion GPS testimony about the dossier.
I told you why I think it happened to avoid a false statement.
She's saying that it may be because they're covering up something else that's even worse and now they have to rely on the least of the worst stories which is the dossier did it even though it's crap i'm telling
you step two that i think what this is there are 702 violations which which is the fisa
act provision that allows the fbi and nsa to basically spy and tap into phone and email metadata.
I think what that could be potentially is the looking into of information on the Trump team.
And what it may be is the sharing of it with a third party.
Who that third party is, that private contractor, I'm not willing to say,
although I think given the Simpson testimony, a lot of people are making that leap, which
would be staggering.
Now, let me read this last paragraph for you, because remember, sariccirca.com had this
piece up last summer. This is an old piece. This is a new circa.com had this piece up last uh last summer this is an old
piece this is a new joke but is this a hint i mean i'm legitimately asking is this a hint
she says such third-party sharing in other words spying on americans using the fbi and giving it
to a third party right such third-party sharing is a huge political concern now as congress and
intelligence community leaders try to stop the flow of classified information to parties that could illegally disclose or misuse it.
Such as the recent link that this closed intercepted communications between the Russian ambassador and Trump's first national security advisor, Mike Flynn.
Whoa. and Trump's first national security advisor, Mike Flynn.
Whoa.
Now, she doesn't say they're in the piece, to be clear.
We don't do conspiracy theories here.
And I'm going to get to that in a second, too.
But is that a hint?
Does she know something?
Why would she make that connection there without making the connection?
Such as, she uses that.
I don't know.
I know Sarah from Fox, but I don't know her personally.
I haven't asked her.
I know some people are making that connection out there.
It's all available on the internet.
I'm not comfortable because I don't have solid sourcing on it to make that leap, Joe.
I'm just telling you, if what is being connected here is true, that means the FBI, that would mean the FBI and the NSA
tapped into the metadata beta,
metadata beta beta,
metadata database.
How much we're good with, yeah, that's good.
The metadata database, they tapped into that
to get emails on the Trump
and potentially phone transcripts of the Trump team.
That's what this would mean.
And then potentially gave it to a third party.
Now, you may say to yourself, well, Dan, that's just reporting from Sarah Carter.
I'm going to put in the show notes a document link to the April 26, 2017, 99 page foreign.
It's not hard to read, by the way.
Foreign intelligence.
I told you what pages 20 and 83. But I'm going to put the 99 pager in the show notes for you to look at yourself and pay attention to page 20 and to page 83, where it says in the court's own documents, Joe,
the court's own review of what happened, that that's what happened.
Not that it was shared by Fusion GPS, but that it was shared with a third party.
This is not speculation.
The speculative portion is the leap that was at Fusion GPS that was getting information,
raw intelligence information, wiretapped basically information from the FBI.
Is that insane?
Yeah, it's creeping me out, man.
It should freak you out, man, or creep you out.
I know I sound a little punch drunk today, folks.
I have had the craziest four days ever.
I just got home and I promise I am totally in the mood.
I love doing the show, but I have been just beaten to snot
the last few days between media stuff and the podcast exploding
and inquiries.
Everybody wants to talk about it now.
I sat in a room with four people.
I'm not going to say who yesterday,
and laid out this scandal from start to finish.
They were blown, blown away, blown away.
Now, what's interesting,
just before I answer some other...
So just to be clear on this,
but let me rewind the tape a little bit.
I said to you I was going to address unanswered questions.
The first thing I addressed is the rehabilitation
of the Trump dossier by the Democrats.
And again, I'm doing this slow, folks,
so everybody gets it.
They are rehabbing it, the Democrats,
the Trump dossier, because they have nothing else.
They have to cover for something else.
We don't know what that is yet.
I have not seen the documents the FBI presented to Congress.
I'm not cleared to.
I'm not sure who else has seen them outside of Congress either. But the fact that Congress is flipping out and now saying, hey, look at the transcript of the dossier.
Joe wasn't that bad.
Look what Simpson said at Congress.
That's Strassel's theory that they're rehabbing the dossier because they have nothing else
and the rest is going to be devastating, which should make you say, what the heck have they
seen?
The unanswered question, because I said we were going to dig into that, is are they covering
for 702 violations in other words the fbi and the nsa dumping into metadata
looking looking into it and querying without a warrant trump team members that is an unanswered
question okay but there's so much here folks i'm really sorry i'm i'm deeply appalled i'm not
trying to jump around i just i feel like i'm doing you a disservice if I don't get
this all out. Okay?
Am I doing alright here? Yeah. Alright.
The Wall Street Journal
today, and I like the Wall Street Journal,
I'm not taking any cheap shots, but they are definitely
not libertarians, has a piece
out about 702
authorization, which was
voted on yesterday in the House. 702,
to be clear, Joe, is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provision, which was voted on yesterday in the House. 702, to be clear, Joe, is the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provision, which allows the FBI to dip into that metadata
with the NSA, just like I just told you. The Wall Street Journal has an absolutely puzzling
piece in their editorial column today that makes no sense at all. Joee before i read this quick line from there did i not just tell you in april 26th
of 2017 there is a dated foreign intelligence surveillance court review document 99 pages long
which lays out violations of 702 you did just tell me that dan yes you did daniel it will be
in the show notes read it yourself i didn't make it up again page 20 page
83 but you can read it's very readable i read it yesterday on the plane coming back the whole thing
it's great knowing it's already been lined out on an official court document there are violations
here's a piece from the journal today which should really scare you the journal says
uh they're talking about 702 and illegal jumps into 702
to spy an American show.
They go, there's no evidence this is happening
and requiring probable cause
may dissuade the FBI from making a 702 query.
The opposite of what the post 9-11 laws
are meant to encourage.
There's,
what do you mean?
Yeah.
That's us scratching our heads.
It's actually not someone else,
but it sounds better.
But I am going to scratch my head.
What?
What do you mean there's no evidence?
What are you talking about?
What the?
The court put out a document saying
the FBI has tapped into the metadata database in a way not commensurate
with its own minimization procedure. It's there. And how did you miss that? I mean, folks, this is
not privileged information. The court document is out there. I've had it emailed to me by no less
than probably 20 people. Thank you, by the way, for emails folks i read them all but that's why i'm saying also uh you know that's where people
get upset oh why did you give me a shout out because some people say who sent it to me don't
mention my name and then other people say i don't care if you mess up i'm just going to keep everybody
out of it folks this is serious stuff and it is absolutely no time to minimize the threat we're under.
But it is, I'm not accusing the Wall Street Journal of lying about it.
Maybe they just don't know.
But I'm wondering why they would write that in a piece.
Now, I want to just get back a second to this.
What's your solution for this?
Because yesterday there was a vote on this.
I am in Rand Paul's camp.
Before I get back to the unanswered question,
because it's important because it connects to 702,
connects to the Wall Street Journal telling you,
oh, don't worry, folks.
The American public should support Pfizer.
There have been no violations of 702.
That's just not true.
Folks, it's real simple.
Just get a warrant.
Just get a warrant.
It involves Americans.
Get a warrant.
And this line, Joee that they use here
what i just read to you from the wall street journal well if they have to get a warrant it's
going to dissuade fbi agents from tapping into the database folks that's the whole idea i mean
that's like i think about the argument there yeah if you're a libertarian or a conservative
you could make the same argument with the local police to go joe the local police are going to break into every house at four o'clock every day to check for
drugs and contraband because it's going to be really easy then to find out who the drug dealers
are in the neighborhood and then we come out and go um i think you should have to get a warrant for
that no well joe that's going to dissuade them from breaking into houses. That's the point. The point is to dissuade them from doing it.
How did you miss that?
That's the whole point.
I'm not some crazy libertarian guy.
I'm a libertarian.
I love liberty.
But they think we're all nuts, Joe.
Everybody thinks, oh, you libertarians are all crazy.
We're not crazy.
This happened.
I'm giving you the evidence.
Read the piece.
Read the piece. Read the piece.
The whole point is to stop people from,
well, we may miss a terror attack.
You know what, Joe?
We may.
But we'll be a free country.
You know what?
We may miss a drug deal
or not break it into every house.
We may miss a drunk driver
not setting up a police checkpoint
on every corner in America, but you're free.
Does freedom matter? Does this mean anything?
Does it mean anything to you folks?
This is insane.
We know the Trump team was spied on.
We know the FBI spied on Americans.
Yeah, it may not have been pervasive,
but it was pervasive enough
that they had to conduct a compliance review at the NSA
and a surveillance court lost their marbles over it.
So I am entirely behind Rand Paul and Amash
and get a warrant.
Get a warrant.
Get a warrant.
You got an American in this, get a warrant. Gosh, you got an american in this get a warrant gosh the constitution
mattering so i didn't mean to get sidetracked i'm still but this is important stuff folks
this stuff is all interrelated that's the you know the web we weave and complicated topics
and complicated podcasts like this you know you want fluff stuff there's a thousand other people
you can listen to who are the screamer types when i'm yelling and screaming it's because i mean something
but this is important stuff it's not a joke get a warrant okay so getting back to the unanswered
questions because that's how i want to sum up this entire week of shows so now we have unanswered question one. Was the Trump team spied on using
702? Without a warrant. They are American citizens. That is not in their purview to do that without a
clear connection to a national security interest. If so, what was the national security interest on
Trump? We still don't have those answers. Don't even dare tell me the Logan Act. I'll laugh you
off the air. Okay. Second unanswered question what did obama know
what did obama know i i'm it's an open question i don't know folks i was not there
for the proceedings as this was going down but having some experience working in the white house
not in the i don't we don't sit in on the meetings i i
just want to be clear on this understanding how the mechanical part of the white house works
you can't tell me joe that the most consequential counterintelligence investigation in american
history being conducted against the trump team by the fbi was going on without the white house
knowing and jim comey in his March testimony in 2017,
already acknowledges the White House knows.
My question is not when, but what did Obama know?
And if Obama knew that the FBI and NSA was using 702
and the data, Joe, to spy on an opposing presidential campaign.
Houston, we got a big, big problem, folks.
Remember, Watergate was a burglary at a hotel for some crappy DNC documents that took down a president and shook the whole country.
using the technical monopolistic force powers of government to open up the email files and phone records
of a Trump campaign during a presidential campaign
against Obama consigliere and Hillary Clinton?
Holy crikeys, do you have a problem?
Now you kind of see why they're rehabbing the dossier, Joe?
Yeah, buddy.
Maybe they need that dossier. Oh, no, Obama didn't do it. The dossier did it. Yeah rehabbing the dossier, Joe. Yeah, buddy. Maybe they need that dossier.
Oh, no, Obama didn't do it.
The dossier did it.
Yeah, but the dossier was false.
Oh, shucks.
Oh, boy.
Gee, too bad.
It reminds me of Nelson Muntz from The Simpsons.
But you broke your arm.
But I said, I mean, this is a Nelson Munch moment.
That's the best you've got?
Now it is.
And the reason I'm closing Strassel's piece
and Kim Strassel's thoughts
from Wall Street Journal, WSJ,
about the dossier.
This is so bad
that this is all you've got left,
hoping and praying at this point
that the media will pick up your narrative
that don't look over here at 702 and spying on Trump.
The dossier did it.
Dopes.
All right.
Unanswered questions number three, which is more of kind of a statement and a couple of questions in there.
So again, question number two is when did Obama know it?
What did he not?
When what did he know when he knew it is a better way.
What did he know when he figured it out? Was the what did he know when he figured it out was the trump team spied on that was question number one folks question number three
which is going to be married up with an assertion i'm going to make i do not do conspiracy theories
okay i don't do it it's caused me a lot of consternation amongst some of my audience you
are free to believe i respect your opinion whatever
you want i don't do them if i don't have some evidence to say something and when i'm speculating
we say it we're clear on that and i've been clear on that in the shows but when i don't have
evidence i'm not interested i get tons of stuff in my email box got one the other day oh my god
look at this it's garbage i'm sorry thank you But it doesn't make any sense. I know the real story behind it.
But now here's the question.
Here's why I'm bringing this up.
If Donald Trump was being cultivated by the Russians as an asset,
and that was your national security reason for tapping into the metadata database
to get the phone and email records of the Trump team?
Joe, do you think anybody anymore seriously believes
that Vladimir Putin was cultivating Donald Trump
as an asset thinking he could control it?
Oh, hell no.
Are you serious?
Folks, you don't have to like trump i do but joe does anyone with a straight face the most ardent anti-trump communist actually believe anybody controls donald trump
are you serious are you what are you a complete wackadoodle? Nobody controls this guy.
Nobody.
His own staff doesn't control.
You think Vladimir Putin was going to control Donald Trump?
Hey, we got this spy ass at Armacost.
This guy's great.
He's willing to work for us.
We're going to give him a thousand a week for information.
Who is it?
And everybody's like waiting with bated breath.
The Russian co-conspirators in the room,
they're waiting for Putin to talk.
He goes, real dramatic pause.
He goes, Donald Trump.
We got Donald Trump for a thousand a week?
You got him?
You got him, baby?
This guy's controlled.
He is in the bag.
Is this the dumbest thing ever?
Is this not the dumbest thing you've ever heard?
This is just straight up unadulterated, liberal, stupid soup that you have consumed in gallons.
You can't seriously believe this with a straight face.
Now, I'm going to get to that's that's one connection to why i
don't believe in stupid conspiracy theories because that conspiracy theory is frankly the
dumbest thing i've ever heard but i've got another angle on this don't go anywhere i got another
angle on this in a second that angle is just straight up stupid i'm bringing it up because
i'm in the airport yesterday flying out of jfk and some goon behind
me and yes if you're listening my show i'm not going to say your name you're a goon this goon
behind me he starts off the conversation nice you know people recognize me from fox so he says
and i've never had a bad interaction up until yesterday i mean i work from home a lot so i
just don't see too many people but when
i travel people say hello 99 of them are nice i didn't tell you this no you didn't no guy starts
off the conversation no problem at all hey are you dan bongino from fox no he said are you that
guy from fox yeah um yeah how you doing shake hisly fine. I'm thinking he's a supporter or whatever. We talked for like two minutes.
The guy goes nuclear on me, like out of nowhere.
He's like, and you guys aren't rational and you're crazy and Trump's a criminal and he's
going to get locked up.
And I'm on a TSA line, Joe.
And I'm like, you know, WTF over?
Like, what do I do now?
I mean, what are you going to do?
I mean, I don't want to.
You want to get in a Royal Rumble?
I mean, where does this, the guy's yelling like a maniac.
So I'm telling my wife the story later.
And I'm like, I'm not getting into this again.
I'm not.
I'm not.
People take out their video.
I've already been audio taped without my, by one idiot.
I'm not getting into this crap again.
That guy was a media guy.
He deserved it.
But I'm like,
what do I say to this guy
just to piss this guy off?
Right?
So all I keep saying to him
is he keeps firing.
He's,
we're collusion.
He's a fella.
The guy's losing his mind.
The TSA people
are looking like,
we can even let this guy
on the plane.
Wow.
All I keep saying
to guys bro why are you so mad which drives him crazy yeah I know I'm like I better because he's
gonna deck me and then I'm gonna have to go like triangle choke this dude and I really don't want
to do that I'm seriously I mean the great part about fighting all the time is you're never afraid
of fighting which is a bad thing because I don't want i'm gonna get sued right so i'm sitting there and i keep saying bro why are you so mad and people now are laughing
because he's losing his mind and there's a bunch of trump supporters and the guy's man he drops
his bags at one point and i'm like oh boy this is gonna get ugly bottom line he stops at the end
at the end of the line because he realized probably gonna probably going to get thrown off and he calms down
but he goes
and it's collusion man
and I look at him
and the only thing of substance
I say to him Joe is
can you please show me
under the United States criminal code
title 18
whatever it may be
title 8
can you please explain to me
where the collusion statute is
and he looks at me puzzled
and I said to him
you do realize
what you said
is not a crime at all
so you've invested your time the only reason I bring this story up one because it's funny yeah it was and I don't him, you do realize what you said is not a crime at all. So you've invested your time.
The only reason I bring this story up, one, because it's funny.
Yeah, it was.
And I don't give enough personal stories.
But secondly is you have to believe two things.
Number one, Putin was cultivating Trump as an asset,
which is the most laughable, stupid story.
You need an IQ of 67 to believe in that.
But number two, if you don't believe in that
and you still believe there was some collusion
like exchanging of information you still can't point to a crime either way you lose and they
shouldn't have been spying on the trump team either way collusion's not the right collusion
the way you're describing it not smart joe right not advisable if this i'm not even suggesting any
of this happened i'm just telling you even what you suggest happened that I don't believe happened still isn't a
crime.
And the guy looked puzzled.
He goes,
Oh,
it's somewhere in there.
No,
it's not,
but that's okay,
dude.
Keep living in your frack free world.
Have a nice day.
He knows who he is.
Now I bring up the conspiracy thing again,
because that's a conspiracy theory.
The collusion thing is a total conspiracy theory.
There's no evidence at all, and it's just dumb.
But now, why don't I personally do conspiracy theories outside?
Why am I so...
In other words, why am I constantly bringing this up on the show?
Folks, this is a sensitive topic to me.
I worked in the federal government for a long time.
I had a TSSCI clearance,
top secret sensitive compartmented information, okay?
Which means I got to see stuff and hear stuff that a lot of people don't get to see and hear.
It's not a pat on the back.
It's just a function of my job, you know?
Everybody gets to see and hear stuff
that shouldn't be out in the public,
whatever business you're in, right?
I'm sure Joe says stuff at meetings and CBM in the morning.
They don't want WBAL here.
Now that the information is a little more serious,
it still doesn't matter.
You're still not supposed to disclose it.
I am very, very
skeptical of people who
believe that the
government is the puppet
master of anything. Some
conspiracy theories out there have the government doing
this and nobody knows and they did that and nobody
knows and they blew that up and nobody knows and they killed that guy uh i don't buy it
because i worked in the government and i was i there was one specific operation i was involved
in i'm not even gonna i'm telling you it was classified how do you say this without being
ridiculously hyperbolic and overly dramatic this thing's classified at the absolute highest levels
and the reason i was involved in it
is because of what the function of the job was i'm folks i'm not making this up it was information
that when i saw it i was like whoa i know people involved in that who would like wink and nod to me
in ways that I was like,
dude,
don't do that.
Didn't say anything,
but didn't have to.
I'm winking and nodding at you and basically tell you nobody in the
government could keep a secret.
They can't,
they can't as evidenced by all the leaks coming out about the Trump team
about classified information.
And Sarah Carter's hint that,
Hey,
was that seven Oh two thing?
Well,
how did they get their mitts on the Flynn transcript?
Oh, how did that happen?
Nobody can keep a secret.
No one.
That's why I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
If a lot of these conspiracy theories
about the big, bad puppet master government
were true about what they managed to do to us,
I'm telling you someone would have leaked it.
I'm telling you that's a fact.
There's no way.
You see where I'm going with this, Joe?
There's an angle to this case, though.
I have another recent source.
You know who you are.
Very, very good.
Who sent me something brilliant that we haven't yet considered on this case.
So the setup here, Dan Bongino does not do conspiracy theories
because the government is too stupid to keep a secret, okay?
Some in the government
are not too stupid to keep a secret, though.
Some in the government, Joe,
are just too stupid to run a conspiracy.
Now, the information I got, funny, right? It's true. Some, listen, I'm a conspiracy. Now, the information I got,
funny, right?
It's true.
Some, listen, I'm a patriot.
We got great military secret service FBI,
but there are some just genuinely stupid people.
The source I have on this brought up a brilliant point.
Here it is in a nutshell.
If these guys were so smart and were breaking this Russian collusion.
They were trying to develop Trump as an asset.
And these brilliant FBI managers and DOJ people were on to this and discovered the biggest collusion conspiracy in American electoral history.
Why did their tradecraft suck so bad?
Tradecraft, meaning their spying skills.
And their discovering spies, intelligence and counterintell spying skills. And they're discovering spies.
Intelligence and counterintelligence.
They're spying and discovering spies.
How come their tradecraft sucked so bad?
Joe, really, I had to take notes on this.
You got Peter Stroke,
the lead interviewer in the Flynn case,
and a upper-level manager in the FBI
involved in both the Clinton email
and this Russian collusion conspiracy theory, Joe,
you have a senior-level FBI guy
who's having an affair with a DOJ lawyer
who texts her over an FBI device
how much they hate Trump
and how they're leaking to the press.
Hey, dude, that's really great work.
You are some spy.
What a super sleuth.
There you go.
We need that.
Keep that baby handy.
Dad, you got Inspector Gadget here, man.
So the source says to me, who has, by the way, is that not great?
The source says to me, who is just like deeply read in on this whole thing.
The source on how the procedure works. I shouldn't say the thing the source on how the procedure works i shouldn't say
the whole case but how the procedure works says this is the worst tradecraft i have ever seen in
my entire life for people who allegedly have discovered the greatest scandal in human history
it's a scam it doesn't end there though again why does dan Dan Bongino not believe in conspiracy theories because some people
are just too stupid to do them you yeah is this unbelievable this is like the most unbelievable
thing I've ever heard in my life sorry about that bell did you hear that bell ring in my background
if you got that on the show that never I usually close my door my wife left the door open crack
sorry folks but it's part of the show so that never, I usually close my door. My wife left the door open. Crack, sorry, folks.
But it's part of the show.
So listen,
I have my office.
We're getting some nice soundproofing.
Hopefully you won't hear any of that
in the future.
Now, going on.
It's not just that tradecraft.
Another great point
the source brings up to me.
The two people involved
intimately in this now,
Bob Mueller,
who's the special counsel head,
were investigating Trump. And Jim Comey, who was the FBI director, Joe.
Jimbo, old Jimbo.
While this whole thing was going on, Jim Comey's the FBI director, right?
Yeah.
The source brings up a great point and goes,
what's their track record of success?
And just a few notes on this.
Here are some of their real winners.
Enron, the Enron case, which was, by the way, a lot of that was overturned.
The Clinton email investigation, they blew entirely and got led on by fake Russian intel.
The Rosatom case against the, you know, the Uranium One scandal.
That, by the way, that Rod Rosenstein and Bob Mueller had to squash and had to silence people on later on.
What's their track record of success?
Like, we're supposed to believe the tradecraft of these two geniuses now?
More like trade crap.
Trade crap?
Yeah.
That's going on a t-shirt.
Trade crap.
Finally, on the tradecraft front,
this is another good point made by the source.
Again, who's read in on how this works?
It's a great point.
So Christopher Steele is funny, right?
This genius, what are you laughing at?
You're so damn excited about this.
Oh, I know.
Because I can see you now.
I know, now that he can see me,
the show has a different dynamic.
So we've changed some stuff mechanically, right?
I am excited because it's so dumb.
Again, why is damn
bogino not believing conspiracy theories because some people are too damn stupid
so you have this mi6 agent joe that's like james bond christopher steel guy working for fusion gps
who produces a dossier a dossier that jim comey the FBI director himself, admits is salacious and unverified that now we know was used to get a warrant to spy on or retroactively cover for the spying on of the Trump team. bond jr steel produced it is that carter page a backbencher trump uh associate mildly associated
best of the campaign traveled to russia at one point that's the only thing they can verify in
the whole thing this is the worst tradecraft in spying history if this was a movie it would be
called the clown princes of spying and yet we're supposed to believe joe
that these geniuses james bond jr inspector gadget christopher steel who puts a dossier
together and the only thing that's actually true is that that carter page traveled to russia
we're supposed to believe that this guy in conjunction with Bob Mueller and Jim Comey, who were in charge of the FBI when some of the biggest busts in American investigative history were going down,
that those two, and then in conjunction with Peter Stroke,
who's having an affair with a DOJ lawyer involved in the FISA warrant,
who texts on an open line knowing the NSA is going to be watching about how much he hates Trump.
We're all supposed to believe this, that this this these geniuses, Joe, discovered the biggest scandal in American history.
We're supposed to accept this at face value. This was brilliant.
So thank you to the source. You are a genius for sending me what you sent me
and by the way it's worse i just i'm giving you the highlights
you know there was a brilliant point and again harps back to the beginning joe as to why we don't
give shout outs sometimes because we get things from different people it's not always what you
think and there are some who are writing about this who I'm absolutely
convinced are moving down the wrong path.
And I don't want to do that to you.
Joe and I are very careful with the facts here.
Because you know what liberals do. You get one date wrong,
they're like, oh, the whole thing, meanwhile,
liberals get everything wrong all the time and nothing matters.
But that's important,
folks. The tradecraft was so bad
that relying on that
to be the guy
relying on that to be the guy in the airport i guess where i'm going and to rely on all of this
to foster your narrative that putin was was cultivating trump as an asset and that they were colluding is, is it folks?
It's insane.
It's insane.
It's,
it's,
it's beyond insane.
It's Looney Tunes.
It's Bugs Bunny stuff.
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Okay, one final outstanding question I have here on this case, and then I want to move on to something else because it's important. And I do have to, I know we've been covering this for a
long time. The critical question, I think one of them, critical questions that are still unanswered,
we're still in the unanswered questions. First was, was Trump surveilled using 702,
their email and their phone records, the team?
Second question, what did Obama know?
How much detail did he have on this?
Third, if this is a conspiracy theory,
it's based on the worst trade craft in US history.
And it's really like a comedy routine.
Four, the information superhighway I talked about
and I alluded to, the information superhighway I talked about and I alluded to,
the connection, the connection, Joseph,
between Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS, and Christopher Steele,
non-U.S. law enforcement, non-intelligence people,
and the intelligence community,
where and when and how deeply was the exchange of information there?
Now, in question number one, I said to you,
there are people out there hypothesizing on this. I'm not willing to make the connection yet,
but there's certainly some information there to make you go, hmm, was that superhighway,
FBI queries into the database about phone and email records of Trump, were they the private
contractors, Fusion GPS, that the FISA court's own document refers to. I don't know that
yet. When I get a hard answer from a solid source, I will tell you because that scandal alone is
the biggest of the biggest scandal. Oh, we were just spying on Trump and giving it the private
contract. Oh, there you go. That's great. Nice work there, fellas. We don't know that yet.
What we do know, though, folks, is there is a potential other avenue for the information superhighway.
And when I say the superhighway in terms of the bigger, larger conspiracy here, the real conspiracy, I'm talking about how was Intel getting from law enforcement classification, Intel classification to private citizens who had no authorization to read it.
Make sense, Joe?
Yeah.
private citizens who had no authorization to read it.
Make sense, Joe?
Yeah.
The other question we need to answer is what is the relationship in detail between the Orrs, Bruce Orr, the Associate Deputy Attorney General, who, remember, also ran OSADEF and
Project Cassandra with the Iranians, the Hezbollah expose, and all of a sudden that all got sidelined in terms of the
Iran deal. The Iran deal was a big desire, the gold medal desire of the Obama administration.
They needed the Russians on board. It's also why I told you, I think they sidelined a lot of that
information about Uranium One, which they need to go away. They didn't want Trump to expose any of
that. But Orr, what is the relationship between Orr and Simpson and Simpson's wife?
The Orr is Nellie Orr,
who works over at Fusion GPS,
works for Glenn Simpson.
She is connected, obviously, to her husband,
who's working in the Justice Department.
Is this how IF702 data,
in other words, phone and email records the FBI shouldn't have had on Trump, Joe,
if they had it, how exactly did that information get into the hands of Fusion GPS?
It says in the piece the FBI was working with private contractors,
but even if that's referring to something different, which it may be, Joe,
that does not mean that the Orr- simpson relationship wasn't the super highway connection between law enforcement intelligence entities and fusion gps because remember bruce
or works in the justice department at an upper level management position he knows all of this
that's going on his wife's wasn't working for fusion. That connection, the connection's clear.
But the information on that superhighway that went there
isn't exactly crystal yet.
And that's kind of one of the relationships I want to flesh out.
Hold on one second here.
I just want to see what I get to next.
All right, wow.
We've gone really long today.
All right, one final story.
Because I haven't discussed any more news of the week,
and I'm way, way backed up. Joe, you got that cut of our friend Nancy? Yeah, play that cut
for us. This is hysterical. Nancy Pelosi, folks. You can never go a week without one of these
gems. Play that. So in terms of the bonus that corporate America received versus the
crumbs that they are giving to workers to kind of put the schmooze on is so pathetic.
It's so pathetic.
And I would hope that with their big advantage of bringing money home at a very low rate
that they would invest in infrastructure and things.
But our experience has been that they will do dividends, they will do stock buybacks and things like that.
I think it's insignificant.
Yes, ma'am.
Are you like a crazy person?
Folks, is she for real?
Americans are getting thousands of dollars in bonuses.
Joe, neither you nor I know Rich.
Things are looking well for DB, but $1,000 is a lot of dough, right?
I mean, folks, are you sure this is the path
you want to take right now as the Democrats?
People all over the country
are getting thousands of dollars in bonuses
due to the Trump tax cut,
and the election path you want to run on
next year is Nancy Pelosi's.
Those are, you're getting the crumbs
from Longshank's table.
Like, this is a Braveheart.
Are you crazy?
Remember Braveheart? Yeah. Get the crumbs from Longshank's table. Like this is a Braveheart. Are you crazy? Remember Braveheart?
Get the crumbs from Longshank's table.
Are you nuts?
One final point on Crazy Nancy.
So that's it.
I mean, that's only the point.
Is that really where you want to go in the midterms?
That $1,000 bonus.
A bunch of crumbs.
You deplorable snobs.
I mean, oh my gosh the great on what take
a bath you great unwashed what a what an elitist man finally one point on nancy also she also said
something else yesterday i just want to point out the hypocrisy of the democrats and the kooky
looney tunes left nancy pelosi talking about the immigration debate and talking about guys at the table doing
it trump steny hoyer dick durbin and others called them the five white guys you heard about that
she was maybe they should open a hamburger stand so she makes joe an overtly racist comment about
race but nobody in the media accuses her of being a racist. I shouldn't say no one. No major media outlet says Nancy Pelosi is a racist.
She makes a racist comment.
She impugns people based on race.
It's racist.
She goes, you got these five white guys
sitting around a table.
Let's go open a hamburger stand.
Nobody accused her of racism.
Trump makes a comment,
allegedly, he's saying he didn't,
about, you know, blank whole countries.
You know what he said, folks.
It's an expletive.
Blank whole countries sending people here.
Makes no reference of race at all, Joe.
And what's the left-wing media headline?
Oh, Trump's a racist.
Folks, just forget it.
Give up on this stuff.
These people are imbeciles.
Don't click on their stuff.
Ignore them.
And I'm telling you,
by the way, Trump's comments are not going to hurt him.
He's saying he didn't say it, by the way,
just to be clear.
But based on a text I got yesterday
from another person I use for political advice
who votes Democrat all the time,
the person sent me
a text yesterday and was like, you know what?
Good for Trump. We have to do better on immigration.
That comment, Joe, ain't going to hurt him one bit, guaranteed.
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