The Dan Bongino Show - Ep. 880 Did You Miss the Latest NeverTrump Attack?

Episode Date: December 26, 2018

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get ready to hear the truth about america on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host dan bongino all right welcome to the dan bongino show the day after christmas producer joe how are you today oh oh oh yeah day after christmas i this is always one of my favorite shows uh you know yesterday i hope you didn't miss yesterday's show. Please go check it out. The Christmas show. We put out a show on Christmas. I thought it was a very good one, though, on the stock market,

what's going on with the economy. I enjoyed the heck out of it. So please, if you missed Monday and Tuesday's show, I humbly request you download them and listen to them. There's a lot of really strong content. I put a lot of work

into yesterday's show, especially the beginning portion. First 20 minutes or so, we covered the stock market and what's going on with the economy., first 20 minutes or so, we covered the stock market and what's going on with the economy. Really, really important stuff. Can't encourage you in strong enough terms to go check it out. All right. Yesterday was a good day for me. My kids had a really great Christmas. There's nothing better than watching them in the morning. There's those smiling faces as my six-year-old and my 14-year-old ran out of the room.

My oldest one got a gift. She was crying. It was just really emotional. I got a lot of people email me and said, well, what did you get? I got a copy of Hulk 181. Yes, I grew up on Marvel Comics. I think every young boy who grew up wanting to change the world at some point

came across Spider-Man or the Hulk or maybe you were a DC guy. But Hulk 181 is the uh is the wolver first appearance of wolverine i like the anti-heroes the punisher wolverine so my wife is very generous she did a great job so i appreciate that all right folks here's what i want to get into today um there's been uh this brewing argument over there if you're not on twitter you may have this. Over the past few days between some traditionally never Trump types and other Republicans out there over if Donald Trump's character, this is their framing of it.

I want to be clear on this. Over Donald Trump's character or what they perceive to be a lack thereof, the people who don't seem to like or have much use for trump anymore um is a basically a a political death sentence form if we can get past trump's character now this has been listen to me when i tell you this this has been a hot topic on twitter and the gist of the question is this. The the, you know, never Trump crowd wants you to believe that somehow this man has a such a significant character deficit that it's not going to be possible to overcome the political obstacles given this Democrat now majority in the House of Representatives to get things done from this point forward and that we may be in a death spiral for his presidency. I want to dispute that and dispute that strongly during this show.

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And listen, they point to significant problems. I understand that significant problems that the left is as taken advantage of, whether it's the history with women or others and things like that. Problems we know, you know, Trump is now admitted to. point to these as character deficits that are insurmountable in the face of now what's going to be re-energized Democrat opposition after the election. Are we clear on the problem, Joe? This is, it largely started with Jonah Goldberg. And I don't want to get into like knocking people personally because it takes away from the core of the argument, but it started with Jonah Goldberg and a couple of others jumped on and said, listen, this is getting to be a real problem. Trump's character and the Democrats are going to use this.

They're going to use this to beat this guy down. Folks, here's the problem. I think it requires a redefinition of what character means. And I think it's the very me saying that that bothers people on the formerly never Trump side who are now just, I'd say, anti-Trump in many respects. They say, no, no, character just can't require being redefined. Characters, character and principles are principles no matter what. And you even saying that is indicating that you're willing to set aside your, you know, your definitions to accommodate this new President Trump. No, folks, I'm not.

I have repeatedly said on this show over and over, Joe, about you and about me. And maybe I shouldn't take liberties with you, but I say all the time, Joe, you and I are both men of faith, but we're also sinners. We're human beings with proclivities toward greed, anger gluttony lust everything else yeah and every day is a fight every day sometimes we succumb sometimes we get past it and sometimes you're a better person for uh you know not sometimes all the time you're a better person for defeating uh you know for defeating the the the temptations in front of you i get. But past sins do not make someone a perpetually weak character individual. Here's what I mean by this. What's your definition of character and character that matters? That's important when it comes to politics. In other words, in politics, Joe,

what is your job? So just be clear. I'm trying to knock back this now really exploding argument on Twitter here that this is it. That Trump's character is some kind of a fatal flaw. But I ask you, what's your definition of character when it comes to someone in a position of power, especially someone in the role of the president

in a political system with Article II executive powers? What's your definition of character? Is your definition of character someone who has never sinned in the past, who has sinned in the past and his sins have been nothing but small little piccadillos here and there, but who gets into office in an effort to please everyone, constantly goes back on promises he made to people that put in a lot of hard work, door knocking, donations and everything to get that person elected.

I say that because I find it strange that this constant impugning of Trump's character or what they define as his character, or what they define as his character conveniently many times leaves out what I think to be in a triaging of our value of what's important to us and the character of a politician the most important thing many of us should consider first

an ability to stick to promises you made. You have to ask yourself in a hierarchy of your needs in a politician I'm going to ask you a challenging question in a world full of sinners. Joe, in your hierarchy of needs for politicians in your life, is number one, past behaviors and indiscretions, sinful behavior, which we've all engaged in.

Or in your hierarchy of needs is number one a man who has made promises promises he intends on keeping and his loyalty is to those people he has made those promises and not to a bunch of insiders in an effort to please them what is your priority it's a very simple common sense question i'm picking number two dan you know that's pretty straight up yeah me too when maybe it's better served looking at it outside of the presidency because the and i i understand this and i and i don't mean to minimize this completely but maybe joe in terms of the presidency you know we're not a monarchy now, but we still, you know, yearn for leaders. We do. We understand that. And you want your leaders to be men of perceived impeccable character.

That's why it bothers people when they heard the Bill Clinton story. You know, even later on, when you hear the stories about, you know, JFK and, you know, the rumors about him and his behavior with women. When you hear about people behind the scenes, stories about Jimmy Carter being not easy to work for and being dismissive of people around him at times, these rumors are out there. That's why it bothers people, because we yearn for leaders and you want leaders to be men of upstanding moral character all the time. of upstanding moral character all the time.

But folks, this is a constitutional republic. It's not a monarchy. You are not going to get men of impeccable, perfect character. And by the way, I'm not even, I don't even want to forget. Joe, remind me if you remember later, but I'm just going to write this down, the airplane story, because I dispute the fact, I'm not even acquiescing to the fact that Trump is a man of generally poor character. I'm not saying he's not a sinner like you and I. I'm just saying I'm not even acquiescing to that point. I'm just saying, or conceding that point is a better way to say it. Sorry, language should be precise. I don't want to concede that point.

I'm suggesting to you that there are people out there and there's a growing number of them starting to believe that Trump's character is so bad and so tipping the scales on the medical system when you're looking for a doctor to save your life i mean to literally save your life you have some form of cancer that only that only the world's elite oncologist right can handle you it is live or die and this guy dr jones this Dr. Jones, this is your guy. This is the only guy who understands that specific whatever, metastatic cancer, and you need him to save your life. If you found out that this guy years ago had had some indiscretions with women, he was married, that he may be generally hot-tempered but you understood that he had been blessed with unbelievable surgical skills and intellectual abilities to save your life and cure you with that cancer in your triaging of needs and your hierarchy of needs do you prioritize his moral indiscretions in the past over his skills now to save your life as joe's shaking his head i think think the answer, ladies and gentlemen, is an obvious one.

The answer is most clearly, no. You do not prioritize his moral indiscretions in the past. What you care about now is his abilities, his knowledge, his skills and abilities because your life is at stake. I segued that way for a reason because now i know some of you may say see you know where i'm going with this some of you may say but our lives aren't at stake and when our lives aren't at stake and this is not a doctor and a cancer problem i think we should take into account strongly moral indiscretions in the past and use them for our analysis of how we should handle a president now. That's where you're wrong. Folks, if you missed the new rules show,

maybe audience archivist Judy, if you can point out the number, the new rules show, Judy, give us a hand here. If you missed the new rules show, this is where you're going wrong, where I discuss the new rules. And the new rules are this, we don't care. Now, I was thinking about this all day yesterday. It's Christmas, it was a bit of a down day. We did a show, but I didn't have anything else to do. I had no Fox hits or anything like that. And I thought about how to sum this up to the audience. How we are right now in that scenario with a deadly disease

and we need help immediately. And the only way I could think to describe it was we're in battlefield morality times now the anti-trump crowd and the left wants to point to things like well in the past he's got a history with women joe his twitter's a little more outside the box of of conventional focus group tested language we're used to it's a little bit rebellious as Twitter. It's probably not, quote, presidential language. This is stuff we should take very seriously.

And the complaints are that Trump is also transactional. So let me talk about those two complaints and why we are not where people think we are right now. We are in that stage where we have that virulent cancer and we need this and we need that doctor to survive. Trump is that doctor to a lot of people. And maybe this will help the left and the never Trump crowd

who are constantly trying to understand why Trump loyalists are the way they are. Maybe this will help you. If it doesn't, gaff it off. That's fine. But this is an important show, a show I thought about all day yesterday. We are now in a battlefield morality times where we're willing to accept a couple of things, and let's address two of them. First, his Twitter behavior. Ladies and gentlemen, think about this in terms of battlefield morality. When

I say battlefield morality, when you're in a really dangerous situation, I think about, you know, when you talk to soldiers and, you know, how they always had this esprit de corps and the sense of brotherhood, even with people who candidly, and many of them will tell you this is over the course of many, many conversations with people who have been, you know, in the suck and in the fight and have put their butts on the line. who have been in the suck and in the fight and have put their butts on the line. Even people they may have found, Joe, really annoying, fellow soldiers, fellow Marines, they understand that that's their brother on that battlefield, that that's their battle buddy there. And things you may have found annoying, you know, listen, he brushes his teeth too long, whatever, his tweets are really annoying. I don't like his politics. When you're on that battlefield, that person next to you, that person next to you, you depend on him for survival. And in a fight, a fight for survival, you put aside these small incidental things that would

have bothered you otherwise. You know, it reminds me of Schumpeter, Joseph Schumpeter, and its concept of why capitalism can sometimes sow the seeds of its own destruction. Because it's so successful, Joe, we have the luxury of caring about things that other people fighting for survival in government-run socialist systems don't worry. They don't worry about recycling. Recycling, they worry about their next meal. Recycling the container it's in. Nobody cares about that. So Schumpeter says capitalism sows the seeds of its own destruction

at times because people become so successful and so rich they have the luxury of worrying about thing like things like you know compostable uh food containers and then once you start to worry about that you start to almost sow the seeds of your own destruction because you start to point out problems everywhere well look at this problem look at that problem and is this you know capitalism did this you lose perspective we are in a battlefield morality situation because the left chose this not us gosh i hope this show makes sense i'm really give give me your feedback because i want to this is really important to me. The left chose this fight. The left chose to make this, Joe, not a battle for ideas,

but a battle for political survival on every front. It's not good enough on social issues for the left anymore. It is not good enough for them to win on things like gay marriage, on things like transgender bathroom usage. It's not good enough anymore. It is not good enough for them to win on things like gay marriage, on things like transgender bathroom usage. It's not good enough anymore. Now, if you don't agree with them, at least in the case of the Kentucky court clerk, you will be jailed and they will support it. In the case of the baker in Oregon and Colorado, you will be bankrupted. You will be publicly in Colorado, you will be bankrupted. You will be publicly humiliated. One wrong comment said in a fit of peak or in a bad mood or at a bad time, you will be humiliated and destroyed on

Twitter for everybody to look you up for the rest of your life and point out what a homophobe you are. Even if you apologize endlessly, it doesn't matter. On the income front, it's not enough for the left to take your money right now. The left needs to control your business too. The Obama era was a profound expansion of government power to regulation. It wasn't enough for Obama to take more of your money through tax hikes. They had to now force you to do things you didn't have to do in the past. Force you, of your money through tax hikes. They had to now force you to do things you didn't have to do in the past. Force you. Like buy health insurance. They had to force

you to do it. It wasn't good enough for them to win and insert government into the healthcare system like they did with the expansion of Medicaid. That wasn't good enough, Joe. It was never about a safety net to them. It was about punishment. It's about punishment on social issues.

Punishment on the economic issues. People who dared speak out. Obama would go after them. Go after them. Now you may say, well, Trump goes after people on Twitter. But there's a difference. The Obama team actually went after people.

Private for-profit colleges that were bankrupted. The Obama team put them out of business. And keep in mind, I'm not. I don't I think personally, the old president should stay out of, you know, going after private company. I think it's generally a bad idea. So I don't want you to think I'm speaking with forked tongue. But the Obama administration actually went after these businesses. Obama administration actually went after these businesses. It wasn't about winning that, you know, private for-profit college was a bad idea because they loved socialist control of education.

They actually bankrupted some of these people. I know my sister-in-law lost her job at one of them. This happened on the education front. It wasn't good enough that Louisiana had a system of school choice. They were developing statewide post Katrina that was actually successful. The DOJ had to go in there and try to take legal action against them to stop it. This is a battlefield morality we're in now because the left created this and on the battlefield and in a situation of extreme danger you don't have the luxury of worrying about things like where who trump was with what women he was with 10 years ago how would the language of his tweets sounds you understand we don't have that luxury because we feel like you have inserted us into a battlefield we didn't choose.

And battlefield morality is different than everyday morality. It is an everyday life. Everyday normal life during calm still waters. Yes, we have the luxury of policing every period in common a politician's tweets. Yes, we have the luxury then of saying to ourselves, well, you know what, I'm not sure about this guy and this story about this woman and this story about his relationships with that guy. Do you understand in a situation of battlefield morality, all of that changes? All of that changes because the area of what's of gray becomes very much black and white.

It becomes about survival. And there are large swaths of America, Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and even moderate Democrats who voted for Donald Trump because they feel that they are constantly under attack every day by the left, and a left that does not want to win on the political front but wants to annihilate your political ideology and take away your freedom in the process.

It has created an entirely different morality. And I get it. I understand how some of you listening are going to say, no, no, there is no other morality. You're correct. You're correct in that respect. But how that hierarchy of what's important on the moral chain matters is different at times. Guys,

you can't dispute that thou shalt not kill. Right, Joe? We know that you should. Don't we know, Joe, you're a Christian. That's that you abide by the 10 commandments,

right? I try my best. Right. But even the 10 commandments, if you go back and you do some reading and you actually kind of study the, I get a lot of emails on this from people who are very interested in this topic, but does that apply if five guys are involved in a home invasion in your

house, holding your family at gunpoint? I thought it said that you understand like, yes, non-battlefield morality is simple during still waters it's not so simple when the waters are turbulent and it means your survival too you know i'll never forget joe i i used to watch the walking dead i i don't anymore kind of lost interest but it's an interesting it's you know it's a zombie show but the interesting

thing i always found about the show before i stopped watching it kind of went off the rails a little bit um is it's not really about zombies it's really a human interest story the zombies are almost secondary to the story i know it sounds strange because the whole thing is about walking dead people who are dead and they come back to life you know but when the world falls apart joe and they have total chaos there's nothing left there's no infrastructure there's no police there's no law enforcement no military nothing there's this one episode where rick who's like the leader of these human survivors who have made it through all these horrible zombie attacks and all this other stuff where an arrival gang of

humans attack them and they have to take prisoner one of the rival gang members and they take prisoner they they they take them prisoner in a barn and they don't know what to do with them because they're running out of food so it's like do we feed this cat because if we feed this prisoner forever we're running out of food how do i not feed my baby so there's this big debate about what do we do we let him go he's going to tell the other gang where we are they didn't know where they were and they're going to come back and kill us all. I was fascinated by sociology and psychology. What do you do? What is the right thing? Do you continue to feed this guy even if your kids die?

Battlefield morality like that is different. It's different. The answer in a rich society is yes, you imprison them. You feed them. You let them serve a sentence yes, you imprison them, you feed them, you let them serve a sentence, and then you let them go because we have law enforcement to take care of that. You don't have to worry about the gang attacking you. That's not how that world worked. There's a different hierarchy of needs. That hierarchy of needs at the top is survival. Survival is not your primary instinct right now in a rich society but it's become political survival and ideological survival

and survival of freedom have become and have leapt to the top of this hierarchical totem pole of knees because the left has imposed this on you not the other way around we haven't imposed this on them when we cut our taxes under the trump tax cut plan we cut theirs too we did nothing to them they are you under listen to me they are totally free right now to pay more money in taxes if they wish totally free there is nothing that stops them from giving more money to the government but when the government imposes a tax hike on you it is not optional your freedom goes away when we institute a school choice plan so parents can send their kids to schools at work and the government comes in and sues to shut it down, your freedom's impinged.

Not when we impose a school choice plan. You don't like the school choice plan? Fine. Send your kid to the old crappy public school. No one's stopping you. When we institute things like health freedom, health savings accounts, that doesn't impact you. You don't what? You don't like the health care system? Find another health care plan

but forcing us to join a government plan we don't want to join is an imposition on our political liberty which in this battlefield morality we see as the fight of our time liberty freedom these are real things they're not campaign slogans and in a battlefield, you have to pick champions and fighters and warriors in the front who may not necessarily be the traditional non-battlefield morality, you know, tokens of generational goodwill. Flawed men throughout history have, you know, saved hum from from impending disaster and doom i don't think they get that so just going back to this point number one we don't have the luxury right now of worrying about tweets and oh donald trump had a conversation with a kid on christmas about santa if you can i'm not going to talk as a family friendly show, but it was,

it has been the latest left's outrage campaign du jour that Donald Trump may have said something about Santa that this seven year old. Meanwhile, the parents like this is the dumbest thing ever. Like he talked to the president, my kid, this is the kind of stuff the left has the luxury of worrying about because they are imposing the battlefield mentality on us.

And right now, through culture, through academia and the media, Joe, they have overwhelming military force on that battlefield. And I get it. A lot of you would object to military analogies, but I'm sorry. Forgive me. I'm not diminishing, obviously, the role of our patriots who actually fight for living. I'm saying this because I've heard their stories. And in hearing their stories, the analogy makes sense to people. I'm trying to make people understand why this guy, it's not that we've put aside our morality.

We've not put aside our morality in everyday life with our kids and our families. It's that the hierarchy of our moral needs right now has changed because you imposed the battlefield on us. We did not ask for. All right, I want to get to part number two of this because this is important, too. Let me just get this in. It's important.

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i kind of hinted to it is character in a politician is is character more aptly displayed when a politician sticks to promises he made to people even under extreme political penalty or his character best displayed when the politician sells you out but donates money to charity on the side and is and is uh you know is generally you know a decent guy no it's a serious question well and i think the answer is joe and i both indicate is when i vote a politician into office i want him to represent values i dedicated my time money and activist assets to getting him into Office 4. We have been sold out by good. George W. Bush was a good man.

I worked for him. I'm not going to say we were personal friends, but I was around him a lot. And I can tell you with no hesitancy at all, his character within himself and his family and in his small sphere of people around him was stellar. He was a good man. I watched him shed tears with families of lost police officers, Gold Star families. I just happened to think the George W. Bush presidency, largely outside of the tax cuts, was a failure. Because the principles he espoused coming into office, controlling government budgets and other things, he didn't stick to.

It's not a knock on him personally. But we have to learn to segregate the two. And this battlefield mortality has been put upon us by the left and we are in this time right now where it's going to require what we we don't loosen our rules but that we change that we transplant those rules to a different set of hierarchical needs now on the i said the airplane story before yeah questioning trump as being a man of poor character. I am going to question that strongly. I told you a long time ago, as you know, I endorsed Cruz in the primary. When President Trump won the primary, I backed President Trump. The more I heard about President Trump as I was out there doing my own thing during my campaign, the more impressed I was when he was a candidate. So there's one specific story that comes from my mother-in-law that I just mentioned her. But my mother-in-law used to work in an airport in New York.

And in that airport in New York, they used to have Trump Airlines. And there was a story that had gone around that my mother-in-law had heard. It was very true that Trump used to walk on a lot of these planes himself at the time. And he would make sure he found the people cleaning the planes, not the pilots, not that he wasn't grateful to them too, but he would walk on the planes, find the women or the men cleaning the plane. And my mother-in-law said he would often give out a hundred dollar tips to them. Now you may say, okay, Dan, so what? He gives big tips. No folks, I heard a lot of those stories. I don't have time during an hour long show to tell you all of them, but I'm not spinning your wheels.

I'm not trying to put lipstick on something. I'm not trying to put a shine on something unnecessarily. I'm telling you those stories are endless. People I heard, oh, I worked for the Trump organization. Oh, were you a middle manager? No, no. A lot of people would say, no, I wasn't actually. I was a doorman in the hotel or I was, and well, what happened?

He would always make sure at Christmas he came by and he thanked us for it. These are little things that are evidence of a man who's not a guy of poor character. Now, the left's argument and the anti-Trump crowd, just so you understand, is, well, he just wants to be loved too much. Yeah, but, you know, if you listen to Russ Roberts on Econ Talk, you know, it's become kind of a running joke. Everybody wants to be loved. Adam Smith, right? Adam Smith of a running joke. Everybody wants to be loved. Adam Smith, right? Adam Smith, famous economist. We all want to be seen as lovely.

Everybody wants to be loved. I thought that was the evidence of character. Now when applied to Trump, it's not. I don't get it. You'll see this all the time in the anti-Trump crowd's

criticism of his presidency. Oh, he just wants to be loved. I don't understand. I thought that was the evidence in the anti-Trump crowd's criticism of his presidency. Oh, he just wants to be loved. I don't understand. I thought that was the evidence of the past of a man of good character that they do deeds because they want other people to see them as doing good deeds. Granted, we don't need to make a public spectacle of everything. But the reason I told you the story about the airplane tip show is because Trump didn't make a public spectacle of it. Those stories at the airport were only told amongst the employees who were there. Got it.

He didn't go out and get a press conference. I just gave $100 tip to the lady. I met Trump once. Not that long ago. The true story at Mar-a-Lago. We spoke for about 10 minutes. You know the first thing, Joe knows the story. I haven't said this on the show, I don't think.

You know what the first thing he said to me was? He was sitting at a small table with Melania and I think two others. Small, there was no room. He said, hey, why don't you sit down and have some of my crab meat? I'm not kidding, folks. It's not just the first thing he said. They served him his dinner at Mar-a-Lago. To me,

Dan Bongino, he's the president of the United States. I'm Dan Bongino. He's up here. I'm down here on the political totem pole. His first time for office, he won the presidency. My first time running for office, I lost the U.S. Senate race in Maryland. He's Donald Trump, the president. The first thing he said, I kid you not, was, hey, Dan, you know me from Fox. I'm Senate race in Maryland. He's Donald Trump, the president. The first thing he said, I kid you not, was,

hey, Dan, you know me from Fox. I'm not making this up. He had crab meat on the thing. He goes, hey, why don't you sit down and have some of my crab meat? It's really good. You know what else he did? By the way, there's no public spectacle. There's no press filming this. You know what else he did? He came over to the table

later. I was sitting with about five or six other people we were at a different table obviously and he had a manager there at Mar-a-Lago I don't know the guy's name Ricky or whatever he walks up

this is not that long ago folks he goes Ricky hey come on over Ricky I'm like what's he doing he's like hey do me a favor

dessert on me for the whole table now you may say oh oh, come on. It's just I don't get it, though. I keep pointing out these little things that are in public spectacles. And you don't like that either. All right. He's a billionaire. So the dessert was free.

It's not that he paid for the dessert show. I think that's obvious. It's that he decided to come back to the table and make an appearance. He's the president of the United States. To me and my wife, I found that he thanked me for supporting him on TV was a transformative moment for me, folks. This is not a man of bad character. He's a sinner like Joe and I. And I've got news for you.

Everyone listening to this podcast, I'm not trying to insult you. It's just a fact. Many of us have succumbed to all those sins I mentioned before. Temptations and ever-present experience in our lives. Unfortunately, sometimes we fall prey to it. I have. Every day I pray for forgiveness.

But diminishing this guy's character and saying he's a man of poor character because of episodes of bad behavior in his life and his Twitter thing is insane. Especially considering the fact, Joe, that when you vote for a politician, you vote for him precisely because you want him to do what he said he's going to do. And Trump is doing that, by the way, at significant political cost. Yep. Significant cost. Do you know why? And listen, I'm sorry, but I'm going to share some stuff. And if they're uncomfortable with it, you guys, you know who you are.

You can let me know and I won't do it again in the future. But I think it's important i'm a member of a lot of groups and these groups are some of them are influential i don't say it to you know you know be pretentious or pat myself on the back i just i think it's important you understand this these people know other people and they talk. Do you know what stopped President Trump from signing that disastrous budget bill without the border wall funding? The fact that he got bad advice from people

who said that you wouldn't care that much and he found out that you did. Folks, you can take that check to the bank, cash that check, spend the money and go invest it that is a fact you talk to anyone behind the scenes he did not expect the backlash amongst you because he was given bad advice by a bunch of swamp rat insiders that said don't worry 1.6 billion we'll get the wall done eventually don't worry it's not a big deal uh the public won't what you know won't won't object to it you see see what I'm saying, Joe? When Trump found out do people he talks to and I'm not going to say who, but people who don't live in the D.C. bubble who said, Mr. President, I'm sorry, but I don't know who's telling you that.

But the people who voted for you and love you and supported you, they are really PO right now. The president did a U-turn on a dime. And ironically, the never Trump crowds considers that a bad an act of bad character. Ironically, the Never Trump crowd considers that an act of bad character. Because they're so used to you being sold out in terms of long-term political needs and fake DC alliances with bootlicking swamp rats that they were like, oh my gosh, how dare he do this? That is evidence of good character, of decent character. Someone committed to promises because they matter to people that support him.

Finally on this, there are these never-ending complaints about Trump. That he's transactional in nature, Joe. That he's not loyal. In other words, he sees you as politically useful or useless and then scraps you when you're no longer useful to him. Folks, that is absolutely ridiculous. Look at the evidence within the Trump business, his many businesses that he's run.

The complaints about Donald Trump as a boss are limited at best. You're talking about a guy who's run a billion dollar enterprise in the most hostile business environment in the world. Well, I don't want to be ridiculous. In the United States, at least, I believe. In New York. I don't want to be overly dramatic. It diminishes my point in new york where i grew up dealing with union bosses new york city politicians mobsters at the time and this is a guy you would think there would be

people coming out of the woodwork left and right just decimating this guy and outside of people trying to save their own butts with bob muller who have had questionable histories of lying themselves joe there has been no line of people lining up to sell donald trump out joe you've been in the workforce for a while i respect joel because joe's a hard-nosed guy yeah listen me and joe you know if you're looking for a while. I respect Joe a lot because Joe's a hard-nosed guy. Listen, me and Joe, you know, if you're looking for people to be beatified, you're listening to the wrong show because me and Joe ain't it.

Neither Joe nor I are going to have a saint in front of our name. But I like scars on people. Yeah. I actually enjoy scars. I enjoy scars on myself, too. Because that skin toughens up real hard.

And then you know what it's like to be cut and it hurts. And you don't do that again. That's why I love jujitsu and stuff. But this guy has this billion dollar business where you would think at some point if he was transactional only and it had

no sense of loyalty to people who had been invested their lives in him and his eponymously named business these trump enterprise if he had sold them out over the years there would be a lineup of people getting ready to talk to muller left and right but muller's had to threaten people with everything from taxi cab confessions to fibbing every process crime in the world even to get people to turn on this guy and even then these cases aren't open and shut clearly saying to me this is not a transactional guy this is a guy who sees loyalty loyalty amongst all to him as a primary characteristic he seeks in his employees and people around him of which he will return. But when you sell him out, he is done with you.

Now, I dispute this transactional label as well, and I'll give you an example. Transactional meaning the minute you turn on him, he turns on you. That's a rumor going around in the White House that you go on TV and say one bad thing, you're out. No, when you are disloyal to him and you do something below the belt, you're done and you're done with him for good. There's a difference. Ladies and gentlemen, I know a number of people who have spoken out against various isolated Trump policies who Donald Trump still respects. I know this. I'm sure of it.

I can't tell you how I know this, but I know this. Alan Dershowitz. Right? Dershowitz is a liberal. Dershowitz at times has spoken out against things Donald Trump has done. But at other times he's defended Trump. Now, if Trump is entirely transactional, Joe, then that wouldn't make any sense. He would dump him, right?

He's transactional. I need him. Oh, and now he said something bad. He's out. But that's not the case. Andy McCarthy at National Review, one of the finest legal minds out there right now. Andy McCarthy is not a lackey to anybody. Andy McCarthy has been,

has written tremendous pieces at National Review defending Donald Trump against the Mueller probe, and Andy McCarthy has written pieces at National Review where he thinks Trump has really screwed up. I know for a fact Trump still respects him enormously. Do you understand the definition of transactional? Because that's not it. I'll tell you another guy. Me. I don't like putting myself in these arguments, but me. I have a significant problem with some of the stuff that's happened

some of you who listen to the shows I haven't been all on board you know things have changed a little bit now that I see a strategy but you know the show on tariffs I've had some disagreements on the government spending bill he signed he's never ever

thrown me to the curb ever he talked about my book at a rally after that he's a guy who respects loyalty and truth and truth tellers mccarthy dershowitz he sees them as truth tellers he is not transactional he's a man of decent character who's made mistakes. But he deals in a business world where loyalty matters and truth matters. He needs to be told the truth. He feels like he's being underserved by a swamp and hell bent on not telling him the truth, telling him what's politically expedient. And he respects people on the outside who state the obvious truth to him so he can listen and get a clear-eyed picture of what's going on.

He is not transactional. He prioritizes loyalty and truth. There's a difference. All right. Last read for the day. We the people, holsters.. We the people holsters. These are the finest holsters out there, folks. These things are gorgeous.

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So just to sum up where we were, point number one, does Trump a man of poor character? I believe the answer to that question is strongly no. I believe he's a guy who's made mistakes like everyone else, but I believe he's a guy who is intent on keeping his promises to voters that voted him into office. And that is my very definition in my hierarchy of needs for a politician, of a politician of character. Plus, I have evidence of stories for a politician of a politician of character plus i have evidence of you know stories in the past of things he's done for people that aren't a public spectacle

that doesn't absolve anybody of their sins they have to handle that with god i'm just saying when you're asking me if a guy's 51 evil or 51 good and your status for saying he's 51 evil is based on what his tweets and some behavior he's had in the past. Do you, have you contrasted that at all with the impact of what he's doing now? Judges, taxes,

regulation, sticking to his promises on the border wall. That has to matter too. How are you on your hierarchy of needs? How are you doing? Do you do that anywhere else? Remember that example with the doctor? Secondly,

we are not in a situation where standard ethics rules apply. We are sadly in a battlefield morality moment, which the left has imposed upon us. We have not imposed upon them. They have made everything this Manichean moment for political survival, where it's not just, you're going to lose, you're going to lose your money in your business.

It's not just, you're going to lose on the social issues. You're going to be bankrupted or put in jail. It's not just, you going to lose, you're going to lose your money and your business. It's not just you're going to lose on the social issues, you're going to be bankrupted or put in jail. It's not just you're going to lose for speaking out on Twitter, you're going to be humiliated, you're going to be boycotted, you're going to be put out of business. Just ask Dave Rubin, he's a liberal, the Rubin Report, who's now looking into with Jordan Peterson,

starting a separate Patreon-type operation, because Patreon's been kicking people off their platform for not even violating the rules. It's a battlefield morality. And finally, these never-ending complaints that he's transactional. He is not transactional. He prioritizes loyalty and truth. I know this.

I know this from people he's dealt with. I know this from his dealings with me. I know this from his dealings out there in the political ecosystem that he prioritizes keeping the people who voted him into office happy, even at political expense to him. And he prioritizes loyalty

amongst his crew. Now, I want to bring this up because of Mattis. The Secretary of Defense Mattis situation, I've got a lot of emails on it. Thanks for your feedback, by the way, on the Syria show I did on Monday. I appreciate it. A lot of it was very thoughtful. I got a lot of emails from Aaron. You know who you are and others. He's emailed a lot. That's why I remember

that name, but I got a ton of emails. Many supportive. It was about 80-20 in supportive of my take on it, 20% against. I respect all very thought out, well thought out opinions, take on a 20% against. I respect all very thought out, well thought out opinions. But I'll be honest with you. It hasn't changed my mind on this. I am resolute that I think this was the right decision in Syria. But the Mattis situation, I received a lot of

emails on as well. Jim Mattis is an American patriot who this country owes a debt of gratitude to. He's done a tremendous job as a career military man. And when you talk to people who know Jim Mattis, no one dares question the guy's character.

He's an American patriot, no question about it. And I'll stand by that. But Joe, Mattis was not elected President of the United States. Donald Trump was. That's correct. And Jim Mattis, for as much respect

as I have for him, I have more respect for the fact that he stepped down and he stepped aside. That is the way to do it. You have a substantive difference, Joe, as the Secretary of Defense, about how our military assets should be handled overseas in conjunction with our allies, that the dignified thing to do is to do what Jim Mattis does. And we should not knock him for that. Agreed. Jim Mattis said, on principle, I don't agree with this. And therefore I'm going to step aside to allow you. Now, some people would say his resignation letter took some shots at Trump. Listen, all right, I get it. I didn't think it was that bad. I read it a couple of times. I, you know,

I heard a few people say when I read it the second or third time, I realized it was a total shot at Trump. I don't really see that. It was done in the Mattis way. But Mattis stepped aside. Trump has now asked him post-resignation letter to leave earlier. Patrick Shanahan is going to be the acting Secretary of Defense. But I want you to remember, Jim Mattis was not elected President of the United States. The Commander-in-Ch chief of our military is elected. He is elected by you.

And we elected Donald Trump. Mattis did the noble thing and stepped aside. But the agenda for our military as commander in chief is going to be handled by people who elect the commander in chief. And that is us. by people who elect the commander in chief. And that is us. And if Jim Mattis is, is resolutely committed to enacting a, a more globalist vision of our military's role,

then Jim Mattis is, is, is free to run for the presidency himself. It is no disrespect. I honor the man's service, deeply honor it. And I mean that, but Jim Mattis is free to run

for president himself Donald Trump won he won on an outsider's vision of what our government should look like for the next four years when he was elected two years now

he won fair and square according to the rules and I respect Mattis for doing what he did. But remember what I told you before. Trump expects loyalty and truth. That's not transactional. That's who he is.

And you cannot be loyal to a vision you don't believe in. So all of these people and naysayers out there, chaos, everything's falling apart, Mattis resigned, he's a good man, he is a good man, but this isn't chaos, this is what we voted for, and now you got a guy, finally, in office,

the President of the United States, who actually gives a damn what we voted for, and isn't taking on all of this political water, and going, oh man, politically, the media's against me, academia, I better just fold. The academics are against me, the talking heads are against me, I better just fold and ask Mattis to stay. He's not doing it.

Because that's not what he promised you. It's not about what he promised Mattis. It's what he promised you. That's not transactional. That's loyalty to you, the voter. He wants truth. And you know what? He got truth.

Mattis gave him the truth. I think you're wrong. And therefore, I'm going to resign. Trump thanked him, put out a tweet saying, I object to his vision of the world, and moved on. What's wrong with that? What, you're not used to the truth? You want to be lied to?

You like being deceived? You like, what is this, the prestige, that Hugh Jackman movie with the magic act? That's what you want all the time? You know, deadly magic acts being played upon you? He respects the truth and honesty. Trump gave him the truth. Mattis gave him the truth back. Those two things created a friction point that couldn't be oiled.

They couldn't take the squeak out of that friction point. Mattis did the noble thing and resigned. Trump did the noble thing and asked him to leave. And there you go. Mattis is free to run later on. Trump is free to run for reelection. If the American people don't support that vision with Trump as commander in chief, we'll have a change in policy.

That's how this works. How is that transactional? How is that transactional? It's an insult to say that. Man, I had a lot of other stuff to get to. You know, just one quick thing. I have some great stories in the show notes if you read them today i'll probably get a head start on tomorrow's show i have a lot of great stories in there um especially about the democrats agenda going forward which is really really uh ugly they're looking to expand government dramatically i'm

seeing some outrageous nonsense uh going on uh about what they plan to do with this new green energy, green new deal nonsense, which is called the non-green new deal because you'll all be bankrupted. So check that out. Hopefully I'll get to that this week. But I wanted to just leave on this one note today, on a bit of a lighter note today after Christmas.

Joe, did you see this story? The NYPD cop fighting off five guys with his extendable baton up in new york this is unbelievable no i didn't see this you got to check out this video there's a story up the daily news has it just put you know police officer in my pd five on one these five guys who he's trying to remove from a train station decide it's a good idea to try to attack this cop. This cop, he must be some MMA guy. This guy goes five on one, like full blown, you know, a Regan Machado, Kron Gracie style

and starts like maybe Muay Thai, maybe Maurice Smith would be better. He just takes on these five guys. I've never seen anything like it. I was a cop in New York for a couple of years. I remember what it was like when you're accosted by a few people. The first thing in your mind is don't let anybody get behind you. I just remember that. Like you're constantly moving to split the difference so you don't let anybody.

And he does it. And he fights them off with these tie kicks to the chest and his baton. And I only bring it up because it goes to show the epidemic of poor governance in New York City. Joe, what do you think happened to these five guys that attacked the cops? How many days in jail

do you think they spent? Probably none. Yes, probably none is right. Not only did they spend no day, they weren't even charged. They were right back in the train station. Unbelievable.

New York City, back to the, you know, I grew up there. I remember the pre-Giuliani days. They were a mess. It's just incredible. But I strongly encourage you to check out this video. I mean, what a heroic guy. He takes on these five guys, man, and he just displays some bravado like I haven't seen in a long time. So good for you, officer. Nice job. I, you know, I luckily never saw a five on

one scenario, but I remember getting buckled in half by an ironing board responding to a domestic violence call, which was rough. The guy literally picked up the ironing board and swung it sideways and buckled me in half. This, uh, thankfully my partner was a big guy. This guy, Mike got, uh, got his baton out and got this guy off me. It was just, oh man, it was crazy. All right, folks, thanks again for tuning in. I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas. Hope your kids did as well. Please tune in tomorrow. Please, if you don't mind, I humbly request you subscribe to the podcast. It is free. It will cost you nothing. You can subscribe at iTunes by hitting the subscribe button on iHeart by hitting the follow button. You can follow us at SoundCloud as well. That's what helps drive us up the charts and helps new people find the show. It is all free, of course. Thanks for tuning in. I'll see you all tomorrow.