The Dan Bongino Show - FBI Corruption Deep-Dive with Julie Kelly (Ep 1898)

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

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6th bomber, informants in the FBI embedded within the January 6th, the day and the surroundings and what happened that day. So I want to dig into a couple of those. I want to talk about this Pegasus program, too, and your ideas about the FBI spying. But first, you were one of the first people to read through the court documents, follow this case, and to uncover the fact that the FBI may have had informants embedded in the January 6th crowd. Now that opens a lot of questions up, Julie. What the hell were they doing? What did they know? How long were they there? Who were

these informants? Who were they reporting to? Your general thoughts on this and how did you get the story so fast while the other media outlets were lagging behind? Well, Dan, I will tell you what was happening really at the same time that January 6th, the whole story was unfolding was the Whitmer so-called Fed napping case. And what was going on is the same time we were told this insurrection happened and it was just spontaneous incited by Donald Trump. What was happening in Michigan were defense attorneys filing motion after motion showing how what we were told was this white supremacist militia attempting to kidnap and kill Gretchen Whitmer before the 2020 election. What was gradually unfolding there was an egregious case of FBI entrapment.

So I was sort of covering that at the same time I was January 6th. And you could sort of see how these two things were happening at the same time, because, of course, this all goes back to 2020. And the use of FBI informants, not just informants, but undercover agents working with supervising agents, we're talking dozens of FBI assets who put this entrapment scheme together. Then you sort of tie it to what happened in January 6th. So I think that that's why people like me, Darren Beatty, I know you've addressed some of our work and other people have been digging into this, started to say, wait a second, this doesn't really at all

add up. And so I think that that was sort of the first red flags for me and a few others, really trying to figure out the role of the FBI, if any, in January 6th. And now, of course, we're finding out that it looks to be pretty extensive. Yeah. I mean, this opens up a lot of questions, obviously. I mean, let's just start with the simple ones. Well, what did they know? I mean, we've been told by the hyperbolic crowd out there that this was the worst insurrection since, you know, Pearl Harbor. Worse than 9-11.

I mean, the excessive nonsense around this thing was just crazy in an effort to stop Trump. So what did they know? I mean, if it was the worst thing that's happened since 9-11, imagine if we found out the FBI had informants on the plane in 9-11 and nothing happened. I mean, aren't we entitled to know what they were up to? What were they reporting to? Well, absolutely, Dan. And recall that Christopher Wray designated January 6th an act of domestic terror. This is what he said to the U.S. Senate in March of 2021. So to your point, had we found out the truth, let's say even back then, that the FBI had run numerous informants into the two militia groups that they say are responsible for January 6th, that's the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys,

if we would have known that, or the public would have known that, or Christopher Wray would have said under oath, we knew this, we had a lot of informants, we got faulty information. No, what did he say? He said, we didn't have any intelligence. We were completely caught off guard.

We didn't know that. That's not true. So to your point, where's the outrage? Where is AOC not demanding Head's role because she was almost murdered on January 6th? The fact that there is no outrage over this is another tell, right, Dan, that they know that the FBI was in on this. This is a cover up job in addition to the inside job. And so, but look, this is, the onion is peeling away layer by layer. You know what I really find fascinating about all this? You know, people like you, genuine reporters who dig stuff up

and you don't do it with partisan interest. I'm sure if we came, if we've, listen, Julie, if you found out Donald Trump did plot this thing and had the Proud Boys in his office with a battle plan, that's the greatest story ever. Like, hey, it's a horrible story. But it's I mean, from a reporting perspective, you'd be like, oh, my gosh, we cracked the case.

You know, the fact that these lefties who went nuts over COINTELPRO and the FBI was in the Black Panthers and they lost their minds over this story for decades. And now we've got the New York Times finally a year after you, by the way, a story you guys already cracked saying, hey, you had some federal informants in there. You would think even the left wing media lunatics would be like, OK, this is a little too much. We got to talk about this. Well, that is the other irony. This is the same media, the same Democratic Party, right, who didn't trust the FBI for decades, that claimed that they were setting up Muslims to create terrorism hoax that the FBI could then tear down, right, or infiltrate. So now you really have to kind of look back at some of those and really question what the FBI did to create the post 9-11 narrative. Those same groups are complete. They're not only silent, they're cheering the idea that the national intelligence state, our highest law enforcement agencies and officers

are using the same war on terror tools now against Trump supporters. And so that's why the New York Times article was interesting. And I'm going to tell you some other good news, Dan, that a lot of people haven't covered yet that I want to tell you. The Press Coalition on Tuesday filed a motion in court. This is 16 major news organizations, the Wall Street Journal, ABC News, NBC News, CNN. They want the 500 plus redacted pages that outlines all of the informants and the informant activity into the Proud Boys before January 6th. They also want a transcript of the sealed hearing this past Monday where the judge heard about the defense, this last minute trove of discovery evidence that it laid on the defense. So even the press now, after almost two years, to your point, is starting to ask some questions and feel like the narrative that they have helped promote

might not exactly be the truth. Now, we know they don't really care about the truth. They want to protect the regime. But if they really feel like they've been duped this time, you know, maybe they'll start to get some answers. Yeah, I hope so. Now I follow you on, uh, on, on Twitter and truth and you should all two folks, uh, what's your handle just so the audience has it. Cause you may need to follow it. Uh, on Twitter, it's Julie underscore Kelly too. And then truth social, I think is Julie underscore Kelly. All right. Please follow her folks. I follow her. Just go to my follow list. She's amazing. And one of the things you've explained, I think, accurately is this likely explains the overcharging. You know, grandma walks through an open door. She gets charged with conspiracy to

overthrow the United States, which at best, and I mean, being prosecutorily generous is a misdemeanor trespass charge at best, at best, right? So the overcharging makes sense now, because if you had a bunch of informants in there who may have known this and you were delinquent in reporting it or derelict in reporting it, or there was nothing to report, meaning it was spontaneous nonsense by some people who did some stupid stuff, rather than this bland insurrection you want out there, you'd want those informants to shut the hell up. You definitely don't want a case to go to trial.

So if you overcharge them with a conspiracy to overthrow the United States and you can just go to their lawyer and go, yeah, we'll plead this thing down if you guys just take a plea and shut your pie holes. Well, of course, that's what's been happening in a lot of these cases. But certainly the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys who have been charged with the exceedingly rare count of seditious conspiracy. I mean, they could spend the rest of their lives in jail if they are convicted. We have the Oath Keepers trial that's going on right now in Washington, D.C. It's on its sixth week.

The Proud Boys trial is supposed to start next month. week. The Proud Boys trial is supposed to start next month. This is when they got the last minute discovery dump, right? The 500 plus redacted pages related to FBI informants. But Dan, the reason why this is so important to keep in mind, as you know, these are the two militia groups that the January 6th committee has fixated on. They are trying to tie these two alleged militia groups to Donald Trump to justify criminal charges against him. So this is why it's even more imperative to find out the FBI's role. Now, if Donald Trump is indicted, which I believe he will be, for obstruction or conspiring with these groups, well, then the government's going to have to cough up a lot more discovery on the FBI's role. I don't know. I know you saw the clip with Representative Higgins of Louisiana this week confronting Christopher Wray.

We could talk about that, too. But, you know, he's very uncomfortable. And Christopher Wray is very accustomed to not having to answer questions. And so he was not happy that he was confronted with those questions yesterday. Yeah. We played that clip on Wednesday's podcast, I think. Was it Wednesday, Guy? Yeah, it was Wednesday. Your thoughts on that? Because Wray, yes, he is uncomfortable, but he does this odd thing. Clay Higgins, a pretty solid representative, congressional representative at a hearing. He asks for those of you who haven't seen it, Christopher Ray, a very simple question.

Were there any FBI employees involved in and around the planning of, you know, January 6th or out there at the Capitol? And Ray doesn't want to answer the question, but it's weird, Julie, he does this thing where then he goes, okay, if you don't want to answer the question, then don't answer it. Then he goes on to answer it in this like pseudo passionate defense of the FBI, where he's like, any suggestion that we may have planned this thing or otherwise, like I'm going to pound my chest here just to let you know, I'm really offended by what you just said. Well, what's to be offended about if there was nobody there, there's nobody there, right? It was almost like thou hath not protest too loudly.

Well, it was pretty telling, I think, because Representative Higgins' question was very specific, which sort of makes me think that he's actually seen some of the surveillance video, which, of course, Dan, the American people can't't see thousands of hours captured by security cameras inside and outside the Capitol that day. I have to believe that Representative Higgins has seen video that shows people, very likely FBI assets, inside the building dressed as Trump supporters before the breach of the Capitol. That was a really interesting part of the question. And I think that's why Christopher Wray got so indignant because it kind of signaled to Christopher Wray, hey, these Republicans have seen a lot more than maybe you think that they have. Or, of course, they've tried to keep all this video under

court order protective orders, which they do have. So I think that really flustered Ray. The best part of that exchange, Dan, is the guy who cut off Representative Higgins and would not force Christopher Ray to answer the question. And who is Ben Thompson, the head of the January 6th committee, who's also head of Homeland Security. Head of the January 6th committee, who's also head of Homeland Security. Now, think about that, Dan. If he really was a truth, you know, fact finding, this is a truth mission. Wouldn't Benny Thompson be really ticked off and say, wait a second, we've got all this reporting now of FBI informants.

You never told the committee about this. Now we have a representative asking you a direct question about that day and you won't answer. No. What does Benny Thompson do? He rescues Ray, cuts off the questioning, moves on to somebody else. That's such a good point. Benny Thompson being the chair, as you just said, accurately so of the January 6th committee. It's such a good point. With regard to the January 6th committee, now that the Republicans have taken

back the house, your general feel of it, you talk to a lot of people in this talking head space, as many as I do. Uh, you think that's the end of this thing. And you think we'll finally get some answers on the other component of this, what we're talking about today, what was the FBI's involvement and other things about January six, which we'll get to later in the interview. I really think that we're going to have to. I'm in D.C. right now, and I was at a conference this morning with some Republican House members, and they sound and seem very serious about looking into DOJ and exposing, investigating DOJ and FBI corruption. sense, Dan, is that they've heard, they heard a lot of this on the campaign trail. You even had a Democrat Congresswoman yesterday tell Christopher Wray, I just got off the campaign trail and I'm going to tell you, the American people do not trust the FBI. What do you have to say about that? Of course, he goes into his tap dance, 36,000 employees. They're so great, dedicated men and

women, blah, blah, blah. That's not an answer. So when you even have Democrats who recognize or some that this is a problem and you have most of the Republicans in the House knowing that this is a problem because now this bureau is coming for them, Dan, right? It was okay when they were going after Carter Page as Trey Gowdy called him a clown. You know, that was okay because the FBI was not using their powers to go after them. Well, now we see the FBI confronting someone like Scott Perry on vacation with his family, taking his cell phone right out of his hands. So this is a whole different level. Hopefully Republicans recognize if they don't do something now,

this FBI is going to take down all of them. Don't worry about Donald Trump. They're going to go after you, your staffers, your family and your donors and everyone you know. I think that's representative Scott Perry case was a real wake up call, Julie. You know, after the, for me, the wake, well, you know, I didn't need to be woken up. I was never sleeping. Neither were you. But I think the most troublesome moment for me where the wake, well, you know, I didn't need to be woken up. I was never sleeping. Neither were you. But I think the most troublesome moment for me where this started was the Devin Nunes incident, where they went and grabbed his phone records, which happened way before Perry. But it's interesting because, you know, Devin Nunes was involved heavily in uncovering Spygate with Kash Patel.

I think some of the establishment swampy types in DC were like, ah, it's just Nunes, whatever. And then all of a sudden it happened to Scott Perry, who maybe didn't have, you know, the Nunes Trump alignment thing with him. I mean, he's a Trump guy, but you get the point. And all of a sudden everybody started to freak out. So you're right. I mean, once it kicks them in the nads, then all of a sudden, I think we're going to start to see change. I wanted to get to a couple other things about January 6th here as well. We're talking to Julie Kelly, obviously author of a terrific book, highly, highly recommend on my

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It's gone into the phantom zone. And yet the informants, nobody's probing them, I guess, either. So weird. So weird. And not only is it weird that we haven't heard really anything about it or informants didn't tip off law enforcement, it was completely memory hold by this January 6th committee. There was no hearing about the pipe bomber, the investigation. And here's another wrinkle why it's so odd that they didn't. We found out a year after January 6th, almost a year later, that Kamala Harris was in the DNC headquarters when this alleged explosive device was found. You had a sitting U.S. Senator, incoming Vice President, at a building where a pipe bomb was found right outside, and everyone's just forgotten about it.

And you and I have talked about this, Dan, the government lied about Kamala Harris's whereabouts for almost a year until finally a prosecutor had to admit in court that, oh, I know we've said in thousands of indictments and information, criminal information documents that Kamala Harris was in the Capitol building, therefore it was restricted. That's not, why have we not found out then? If this bomb was viable, as the FBI said right away, then where is that information? Where's that investigation? It's been completely memory hold too. And Darren Beatty has done tremendous work, even going through the video frame by frame and how the FBI looks like slow that down and then cut out certain pieces of that video as well. Yeah, it's bizarre. One of them, the frame rate

doesn't match the frame rate of any commercially available camera around. Now I've had a couple people say to me, well, you know, Dan, they go to lower frame rates when they're not recording active motion. Okay. Well, that still doesn't explain why there's missing camera footage from the camera at the DNC, which would have caught the money shot of the alleged bomber walking by. I mean, nothing about this case makes any sense. I don't want to put you on the spot and pin you down with one theory here, but I have a number of different theories about the January 6th bomber and

who put these bombs in front of the DNC and RNC, um, likely versus unlikely. Do you have a few you'd be willing to throw out there? I, because I, I have a number of them. I mean,

if this case doesn't make sense and I mean, they can clear up the speculation by helping us out, but they refuse to do it. Um, honestly, Dan, I'm of the view that they never really were even there um that the photographs that we saw were manufactured recall the woman who allegedly found the first bomb near the rnc

so the rnc and dnc are close together they're east of the u.s capital she just happened to be walking in the cold that afternoon 15 minutes before the joint session is supposed to convene. And she just looks down and happens to see a kitchen timer and a little piece of pipe and some wires. And she freaks out and thinks that it's a pipe bomb. And she goes to alert the security guy at the RNC and that they notify Capitol Police and this whole thing sort of erupts. Turns out the woman who identified the pipe bomb is a federal contractor who works for an agency called FirstNet, who the month before January 6th got a $92 million grant from who? The FBI. No one has heard from her since.

She was not investigated or interrogated by the January 6th committee. You know, we heard all this ridiculous testimony from people like Cassidy Hutchinson, but we didn't hear about the woman who found the pipe bombs and really prompted the first set of evacuations. So there's no evidence that she could have been, and she didn't interview Dan, and she actually said the word hoax a couple of times, which I thought was kind of strange. Then we find out, as you and I've talked, the DNC, they brought Kamala Harris there at 1130 in the morning on January 6th, and a security sweep doesn't see this right by the bench outside

of the entryway. What was interesting, a few weeks ago, a person just posted this video that showed Kamala Harris's detail pulling up in front of the DNC. There were several vehicles and people getting in and out when she walked into the building. The bomb was allegedly planted the night before. No one saw it. None of this adds up. Yeah, I've seen that video of the motorcade. You know, Julie, again, in normal times, I think you and I both would say, oh, this all sounds crazy, but we're not in normal times. It's really impossible to believe anything they say. I'm going to take a quick break here. I want to come back and ask a follow-up question on this. Folks, we got a break for a couple of sponsors.

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I say, where's the report on it? I mean, they said that it was a viable device. They said that they detonated it and that they were going to be issuing some sort of investigative report. I now compare the pipe bomb to the DNC email server. Remember, we were told that the FBI had that too. So my joke is, well, maybe CrowdStrike came and maybe they took the pipe bombs. And maybe they're conducting the investigation. We have no report. And of course, who was leading the investigation into the pipe bombs?

Who is the man that stepped forward a few days later, offered a reward, said that they were viable, that this could have caused death and destruction? Also, as you know, and Darren also exposed that, was overseeing the Whitmer fed napping hoax into October of 2020 before he was promoted and moved to D.C. Yeah, that that that is beyond irony. And that's one of those stories when you make the connection, you can't you can't unsee it. You can't unsee it. The January 6th committee also has shown zero interest in these FBI informants embedded supposedly within the Proud Boys and in this January 6th bomber case, which, as you and I discussed before, we got a little more time here on the podcast. That seems odd as well. I mean, if you're trying to paint a narrative that Donald Trump was involved

in this massive insurrection overthrow of the government, then what better way to kind of calcify that and harden that narrative than showing that bombs were planted at these two political headquarters by Trump-like operatives? And the fact that they won't even mention it in the committee says to me that it works against their narrative, not for it. Well, two things on that. The Washington Post did a really deep dive into January 6th. And what they exposed, and maybe they thought that it was newsworthy, but when we're paying attention to it, it kind of jumped out at me, is that a few weeks before January 6th, the Department of Homeland Security for Washington, D.C. did sort of like a tabletop exercise where they found bombs on January 6th.

It just so happened, Dan, that the same department's bomb squad was a block or two away from the DNC and RNC when these devices were allegedly found. So were they tabletop exercise gaming out exactly if they did find an explosive device? Or is that a cover for the fact that the D.C., of course, we know the D.C. government was involved in this too, D.C. Metro Police, D.C. Department of Homeland Security. Were they gaming out how to pretend that they found explosive devices and how that would set off panic and alarm right before the joint session started. It's not like they found these devices at 8 o'clock in the morning or 10 o'clock in the morning. They found them at 12.50 or 12.48, 10 to 12 minutes before the joint session started at 1 o'clock. So that's just one other added wrinkle to this entire story, aside from the Stephen D'Antuano link and how it's just been, to your point, completely memory hold and why Benny Thompson didn't

ask Christopher Wray about that this week. He had him right there. Why didn't he say, what's the update into the pipe bomb investigation? Absolutely nothing. Yeah, I mean, it's really sad that this agency, you know, they have badges, they have guns, they can take your life, they can take your freedom that we really can't trust them anymore. And like I said, there was a time where, you know, the ACLU type groups and others link shields with conservatives interested in limited

government and at least believed in the idea that, hey, we have to police the police and do this other stuff. That's seemingly gone now. I mean, the right generally supports and thankfully good policing, constitutional policing. And now the left is like, we'll only support police if they act like kind of a force for our political and like bouncers for us. I mean, this is just embarrassing. And the January 6th committee is just a further indicator of that. It is. And Rasmussen had a very interesting poll out quite a few months ago

where, of course, the overwhelming majority of Republicans feel that, and this was the specific wording, the FBI acting as a Gestapo for the Democratic Party, an overwhelming majority of Republicans. But the majority of independents feel that way as well. And about 25% of Democrats, now, of course, they're bragging about it, right? They think it's great now that they can rely on the FBI

to go and destroy the lives of their political opponents. That's cool now, apparently for progressives. But, you know, this FBI informant issue, where are the AOCs of the world who are screaming at Christopher Wray as she claimed that she was almost murdered on January 6th? who really thought this was a legitimate threat. Where is Kamala Harris not saying, hey, where's the pipe bomber? I was right inside that building. I could have been blown to pieces and now nobody cares. And so that's why I think the work of Darren Beatty at Revolver.News and keep hammering on this pipe bomb issue, because that really was the start of this whole, you know, that really started the panic that day. And so that's just one more thing that, uh, that everyone needs to, to keep their eye on. And I appreciate you for continuing to cover it as well. Yeah. You, you know, I, I will. I mean, I am, uh, I think having seen the other side of it and how easily that power you've been giving,

how I've been given, how amazing it is, can be abused. I'm particularly sensitive to this topic, especially at the federal level. It really bothers the shit out of me. You get the point. The spy gate was my thing. I wrote three books on it and then the impeachment hoax. And then I started reading your work and Darren's work. And I really, I'm just stunned that I want to, you know,

we've already covered this question, but I'm really just shocked that we don't have a number of entrepreneurial Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald types inside the Washington Post who are willing to take a flyer and say, you know what, boss, listen, we got to put our politics aside. It's a huge story. I mean, if this bomb, pipe bomb story turns out to be either some kind of false alarm that went awry, a plant by someone, or some kind of false flag operation, holy Moses, it's only the biggest political story of our time. I wanted to get your take on another topic. So there's this no-click spyware program called Pegasus. It's not hard to figure out. They send you a text. Whether you open it or not is irrelevant. They've got your phone.

So if I got your cell phone number, I send Julie the Pegasus NSO spyware. I got your camera, your email. I got everything. Now, the FBI has misled us about this. Two, an FBI episode of malfeasance number 6,722. They had said earlier that, oh, they just had it for research purposes, Pegasus and no intentions of using it. Thank God for FOIA, Julie, Freedom of Information Act, the New York Times in a random act of journalism figured out that that's not exactly accurate, that they were in fact looking at using this in criminal investigations, meaning on people like, you know, us American citizens, that's where they conduct criminal investigations.

I bet this story doesn't surprise you one bit. It doesn't. And I think that they've been looking into this for a while. And I believe that this is the same spyware that Christopher Wray said a few years ago that they weren't investing in. I think there's a couple different ones. But yes, if anyone who thinks that these surveillance tools, whether it's that or FISA or geofence warrants that we know were used on January 6th or anything else are not being turned against Americans on the right, this is just another example of how. But Dan, and you know this as an expert on Spygate, the fact that no one has ever been held criminally responsible for that fraud.

You talk about conspiracy against the American people. That was such a wide-ranging conspiracy. The fact that no one has been held criminally responsible. Not a single reporter at the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, any of the outlets who promoted this for years, not a single reporter has been fired or even fired for writing these stories or fired for, say, taking classified information like a FISA warrant against Carter Page and recording that in the Washington Post in April of 2017. This is the end result, right? So why did the government think they could get away with January 6th? Well, they've gotten away with everything else. So this unfortunately just motivated them and accelerated what they started in 2016. Yeah, it's true. I mean, some of the people who were involved in Spygate, instead of being

fully discredited and really left out of polite political life from that point on, were featured as heroes in the impeachment trial. I mean, Fiona Hill, Fiona Hill was knee deep in this whole thing. And I get it. I mean, we could say, well, you know, Trump made bad personnel decisions, should have got rid of Fiona Hill. Fine. That's an argument for another day. Doesn't absolve her from being knee deep in this whole thing and then being celebrated by the left as, as some kind of a hero. I'm one final thought before we let you go. We're talking to Julie Kelly, again, author of a great book, January 6th, please pick it up. It is, it is absolutely worth your time. It'll change the way you look at that, that day. Does it concern you as much as it concerns me, this new symbiotic organism, big media, big business, big tech and liberal activists? I mean, we've seen it

already, Julie, Twitter working in conjunction with activists who get money from Soros like groups like Arabella and Accountable Tech, who then censor conservatives, who then go out there and pressure law enforcement and the Department of Justice. And big business seems to love all this. It's a really dangerous symbiosis going forward that concerns the hell out of me because they've already shown, in fact, that they can interfere in elections and do it quite well. They do. And you're absolutely right. And I think Americans are, and especially our side's very frustrated. Here's a little more glimmer of hope. You know, I'm just trying to be an optimist here. This lawsuit that Eric Schmidt, the attorney general of Missouri and the attorney general of Louisiana have filed against the Biden administration is making big

progress in court. And this is a lawsuit seeking to expose and now depose top government officials, including Anthony Fauci, and forcing them to testify or give their deposition about the symbiotic relationship between the regime and big tech government, DOJ, the same DOJ, you know, hunting down the Indiana grandmas and charging them with trespassing and then throwing them in jail for 30, 45 days. They have asked the court repeatedly not just to halt these depositions, but now, Dan, the latest motion by DOJ is to keep any videotaped deposition under seal. So the American people can't see Anthony Fauci answer questions about his collusion with big tech. We won't be able to see Jen Psaki or the

Surgeon General Murphy talk about what communications they had with big tech. My guess is the judge who has really been heroic in denying all these motions from the government, from the Biden regime, my guess is that he will not allow these depositions to be held under seal. And we are finally going to see these people questioned by skilled attorneys in a videotaped deposition. by skilled attorneys in a videotaped opposition. And that I think will really start to open this up and hopefully give Republicans in the House also more fodder, more evidence that they need as if they are planning any hearings along the same lines.

I'm smiling because we didn't coordinate this at all, Julie and I. We had some tech issue in the beginning of the show, so we had to jump right in. We usually get to chat a little bit, but Eric Schmidt's going to be on my Fox show Saturday night at night about exactly this. This is a monster case. Like you said, finally, skilled, talented attorneys who know what the hell they're doing,

who uncovered this unquestionably anti-First Amendment violation here. We're going to be asking these people about this symbiote. They're going to be forced under oath. It's a huge deal. So that's good. That leaves it on a positive note for the audience. One final plug for your book, because it's amazing, and I love her work. She's a great person, folks. She's got really nerves. She's got nerves like steel cables here. January 6th is the book. Julie Kelly's the author. Wherever you get your books, pick it up, follow her on social media. You will not regret it. Julie, thank you so much for your time and for your work. We appreciate it. Such an honor to be here. Thank you so much for covering my work. You got it. All right, folks, thanks again for tuning in. I really appreciate it. I

hope you enjoyed that interview as much as I did. Julie Kelly, follower on social media. You will get the latest updates on all of the court proceedings around January 6th, and you'll get breaking news. And don't worry, you'll hear it from Julie Kelly. And then a year later, the New York Times will publish a story about it. So you'll be way ahead of the curve. Hope you enjoyed the show today. Check out my show tomorrow night, Friday, excuse me, Saturday at nine o'clock on Fox unfiltered. I've got Eric Schmidt coming on as a guest and I got Kaylee McEnany as well. We'll ask the question, is Joe Biden the luckiest man alive? I think he is. We'll see you all next week.