The Dan Bongino Show - Kristi Noem On The Border, Deportations, The Secret Service and More | Episode 28

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

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Hey everybody, welcome to a Wednesday edition of Vince brought to you by Blackout Coffee, the official coffee of all of us here at Silverlock. Go to blackoutcoffee.com slash Vince, use the code Vince. That's V I N C E and you'll get 20% off your first order. A little Blackout Coffee to start the day. Just doing great. I'm feeling great today. I had a big visit to the White House yesterday.

Got to spend a whole bunch of time there talking to White House officials, talking to cabinet secretaries, talking to spokesmen for the Trump administration. Always as we approach that 100 days of the Trump administration. And luckily for you, I brought cameras with me. We recorded our conversations,

had a lot of really important ones, including the one you're about to hear in just moments from the DHS secretary, Kristi Noem. Think about all of the stuff that she has to deal with. She's got to deport all of these illegals. Where are the mass deportations of not just the violent criminals, but all of the illegals that are in our country right now?

What's going on with the Secret Service investigations into those assassination attempts against President Trump? And how did Kristi Noem just get robbed in Washington, DC? She had a purse stolen from her as she was sitting there being protected by the Secret Service. Answers to all of those questions coming up in just a moment. Great to be with you again this morning. If you're watching live on the Rumble Chat, thank you. The best damn audience in media. Love having you with me as always. I gotta thank our sponsors for making this entire show possible each day. And that includes Patriot Mobile. Wonderful people. While we may have won this 2024 election, the fight to restore our great nation,

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with more than the next guest you're about to see. And that's the secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, one of the biggest and most important portfolios in the entire government. She sat down with me at the White House and here's what she had to say. Take a look. Well, joining me now is the Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, in the house. Nice to have you here.

It's wonderful to be here. Thank you so much for inviting me. And I should say, nice, thank you for having us here. We're at this great White House complex. Tell me, how's the state of Homeland Security right now in terms of when you got there and to where it is now, what has changed? Oh, it's phenomenal.

It's phenomenal what leadership can do in the White House to make a difference for the American people. You know, honestly, if you look at the southern border, which was the number one priority of this president and concern of the country, it's under 99% operational control, which is phenomenal. We set the record for the lowest encounters at the border in February and March in the history of the nation.

So not only did he fundamentally change everything in the first 100 days, but he is doing a better job securing the border than we ever have in the nation's history. Wow, that's even better than I realized, because I saw the Wall Street Journal had a great piece on this I think two days ago and they said that it was the lowest since the 1960s is the way they described it and they said that people who are have been waiting south of our border have just made the decision to go home. They're not coming across. Well and what President Trump tasked me with specifically was communicating to people that we were securing our border and if you were coming to this country to turn around and go back.

So we actually have ads running in international countries that are running in Guatemala, El Salvador, Mexico that are saying if you were thinking about coming to the United States illegally, don't do it. You can't get in and if you get here, you can be charged criminally and we will take you back. So there will be consequences if you continue. That's for sure. And my suspicion is it's probably not the ads as much as it is the viral videos

that you guys are putting out. And I say that because obviously you're working with the president of El Salvador, Bukele. He keeps releasing videos of people being brought to that high security prison which you recently visited., shaving their heads, throwing them in jail cells. And then what we see is that, for instance, El Salvadoran men and Venezuelan men who are in the United States, they see those images and they're like, I don't want a piece of that and they're self-deporting? Is that actually happening?

Yes, they absolutely are. And that's the one thing that the president really wanted people to know is that there's consequences now. Before under Joe Biden, you could break the law, you could perpetuate violence, you could do whatever you wanted to do, and they did nothing. But President Trump said, Christy, we need to communicate what the consequences are. It's one of the reasons I visited that prison was to talk to President Bukele, ask him not only how he had fundamentally changed the future of his country, because if you think about what the transformation that has happened in El Salvador

since he's been president, it's phenomenal. He's got one of the lowest murder rates in the world now. Is it true it went from one of the most dangerous countries on the planet to the safest country in the Western Hemisphere? Yes, it's incredible what he has done. And he's done it through leadership and consequences. And that prison President Trump wanted people to see, to know that it could be a real consequence

for those that are members of foreign terrorist organizations. And that these gangs, MS-13 and TDA, are terrorists. They have been conducting terrorist operations in this country and they need to get out. So the videos that I just referenced, you've been in some of them, you visited that center, you're standing in front of the inmates who are behind you. I love that people, I saw people think, they thought it was like photoshopped or something.

I know they really did. It was kind of interesting, yeah, that they thought that. But you were really standing there in front of those guys. And I think people, you know, people have their criticisms, but it makes a big impact and people see it and they recognize that that's possible for those individuals that are doing what the things that those men in those cells raped children. They were child pedophiles. They were murderers. They weren't people that were out there, you know, getting speeding tickets. These were individuals who made a life of violence. And to have consequences like that is pretty impactful for people to understand the message across this

country. What are they doing in that prison though? Because behind you, you filmed this video, I don't know, how long was it? Maybe two minutes or something? Yeah, it was pretty short. But it's two minutes, every one of those guys, not one of them moved. They just stared at the camera. It was almost like they didn't want to misbehave behind you. What was that about? Well, you know, CICOT is a prison that will hold 40,000 prisoners. There's about 80 prisoners in each cell.

I spent a lot of time with the warden and the president talking about it and they just said nobody will ever leave there. They will live there until they die of natural causes. It is a life sentence that they will spend there and he wants to build another prison. You know he had MS-13 overtaking his country and so he went hard after them. And he said, if you don't get aggressive in the United States, you will have that happen in America. And we do have some MS-13 members now in the United States that were born here. They're citizens.

So that gets even more complicated and why we need to get so aggressive at getting them out and having them returned back to their home country before they get a foothold and recruit more of our children. So I want to ask you more about MS-13, but one more on the videos. You alluded to the criticism of some of the videos you're holding guns and standing outside with law enforcement.

And the critiques that have come your way is your play acting as a door kicker, but your point seems to be that these videos are important to convey that we are imposing concept. Yes, absolutely. People need to see them. They need to understand why I'm out there with them. The reason I'm out there with them and with our ICE agents, HSI, CBP, Coast Guard, is because I want to know what their lives are like. They've never had a secretary go out there in years and years and spend a day with them, do patrols with them.

That's where I found out that our ICE agents need new authorities so that when they can interdict drugs, they can't arrest them. So getting them that training and authority they need to do that. I wouldn't have learned that if I hadn't gone out there and spent time with them. I wouldn't have learned that some of the equipment that HSI was using and CBP didn't work. That they had, some of them had bulletproof vests that weren't certified anymore. Some of them didn't have the authority to make some decisions that were had, some of them had bulletproof vests that weren't certified anymore. Some of them didn't have the authority

to make some decisions that were best, to really enforce the law that the president directed. So you don't learn how vulnerable we are if you don't realize the weak spots. And that's why I'm out there on the front lines talking with them and finding out what do you really need to do your job? And do you understand what the president wants you to do

and that he's got your back? And he wants you to enforce the law. So that communication with the American people is important, but it's also important for me making decisions every day. I don't wanna take all my information from people sitting behind desks in Washington. I think we've seen that that doesn't work. Yeah, it's not quite undercover boss.

You're out there on the front line. That's cool. And definitely the message is getting through to foreign nationals. There's no question about that. That's measured. So on MS-13, obviously the big news story continues to be because the Democrats are lunatics, quite frankly, that they are desperately trying to bring back someone who is quite clearly an MS-13 gangster into the United States of America. I know you're now running home insecurity, but also as a political matter, you've been in who is quite clearly an MS-13 gangster into the United States of America. I know you're now running home on security, but also as a political matter,

you've been in Republican politics. Have you ever seen something so insane done by a political party before? I honestly haven't. I've never seen Democrats go out and endorse and fight for the freedom of a terrorist. Someone that a court said was a terrorist, that an immigration appellate court said was a terrorist,

that local law enforcement agents built a case and said he was a terrorist, that local law enforcement agents built a case and said he was a terrorist, that had perpetuated violence against his family, had been suspected of human trafficking by moving people from Texas to Maryland in 2022 as well, and that when he was incarcerated and picked up, was surrounded by terrorists. And the fact that they would try to say this guy

is a normal father from Maryland that they should be advocating for to come back to this country, there's just no scenario where that should ever happen. On his knuckle he has those gang tattoos, or at least they look like gang tattoos to me. Where did the photo come from that the president shared the other day? Was that from your department? I believe it was, and I believe it was either from that or from local law enforcement.

But it was from people that had built a case against him. And that's what I think the American people need to understand, is we don't just go out and look at tattoos and arrest people and deport them. We build a case against each of these individuals. We have Homeland Security investigations and experts that go out and build a case to make sure that these people are who we believe

that they are and that many of them have been prosecuted and convicted and that they need to leave this country because they hate America. So in other words you are very cautious before you're sending people to see cops. Oh absolutely we're making sure and that's one of the things that President Bukele and I talked about when I was in El Salvador was that we know who these people are we're sending you people who belong here and he told us that he would certainly take more and that we should always make sure that they're members of those two gangs because that's what that place was built for. So we've obviously we're talking about deporting these

dangerous criminal aliens what about just other aliens who are in the United States a lot of people I get a lot of messages from people who are looking for what they refer to as more mass deportations now I gotta be honest I am grading you well because I think you guys are doing a great job yeah the border numbers are proof of that yeah but what about further mass deportations now, I gotta be honest. I am grading you well because I think you guys are doing a great job Yeah, the border numbers are proof of that. Yeah, but what about further mass deportations? What can we expect going forward? We are we are working on people that have final removal orders Yeah, so we've deported hundreds of thousands of people that have final removal orders, which means they overstayed their state They missed appearances and immigration court and they've been told that they have to leave and they never have, so they've knowingly violated the law. We also are enforcing a law that was put in place

after World War II called the Alien Registration Act that says if you are here illegally, you need to register within 30 days. If you don't register with the federal government, then you could be charged criminally and you'll be deported and you'll never get to come back. If you self-deport, you decide, okay, I'm here illegally and I wanna be an American, I wanna come to this country,

I love it, I wanna work here, then self-deport, identify yourself, and then we will make sure you get the chance to come back to this country. So, should we expect big action in about a month's time? Oh, absolutely, and I think we've already seen big action, but we've already seen, because of that message, that you can self-deport, and then you can come back again, that you get a second chance.

Thousands of people are self-deporting. Thousands of people are taking themselves home, and we're working on helping those financially that want to self-deport, so we can maybe help them with a commercial airline ticket, too. Okay. You have a huge portfolio, so another thing I want to ask you about is the Secret Service. Yes.

You obviously come into this office with a Secret Service that's kind of reeling from a bunch of problems, including the fact that the President of the United States was shot last year on July 13th. Right. What is, in your view, the current state of the Secret Service? Has it improved as you've been in? And will we get some real accountability as to how these guys got so close to assassinating the president? Yeah. Well, the Secret Service is filled with phenomenal human beings.

I mean, there are people that took a pledge to, you know, enforce the law and to go out and to be protectees and investigations and respect this country and love this country and they took the extra risk to protect the most powerful, the most powerful individuals in the country. So you know we need to appreciate that every day and continue to give them the respect that they deserve. The investigations are still ongoing, we're making sure that we do due diligence and then also recognizing that President Trump has put a new director in place, Sean Curran, who was his lead detail that brings an agent's perspective to it. You know, you put somebody in an administrative role that has actually been on the front line

and done these jobs, they bring better information to that job on what can we do to equip and to train these individuals to do better the next time. One of the things I'm focused on is communication. What we saw happen in Butler, Pennsylvania was a breakdown of communication. It was insane. Local cops couldn't talk to the Secret Service in the midst of that crisis? Exactly. And that's something that we at Homeland Security can help direct. You know, I have FEMA, I have TSA, Secret Service, we have the Coast Guard. There can be a plan and a pattern for communication on how we interact with state and local law enforcement officials that can be a uniform process so that that consistency is there that that we don't have what happened in Pennsylvania happen again and don't forget we had an assassinate

assassination attempt in Florida as well so there are people out there now that perpetuate violence against the president but also against our law enforcement officers. It's increased 300% just during this administration because of the enforcement actions that were taken. So we need to make sure that we're giving them all the tools and equipment and training they need for every scenario they could encounter. That's great.

So I know the president expressed recently that he is dissatisfied with the answers he's gotten on the two assassins. Right. Because he says, look, these are guys with all these cell phones. The Butler, Pennsylvania suspect was cremated within seconds. He's gone. And the president says that, and I'm thinking,

this is the president of the United States. I would think that he would have accessed all the relevant information. And he is, he seemed kind of woefully dissatisfied with where things are. Can you give us a sense of, are you, are people giving him more information now? Are we any closer to getting answers on why these guys, for instance, the second guy was so dialed in, in Ukraine?

What do we know about all this? Yes, absolutely. We are digging into that and getting the information. It's been slower than we wanted because Joe Biden and his administration slowed us down. But we have a director now that's going to be giving us a lot more details and information of what he's able to uncover. And you know, you have the Senate that did a report

and the House that did a report as well. All that information will be compiled to help us make the best decisions on how to equip the Secret Service for what they face. But you know, you think about how threats have changed, the dangers have changed, what they have to be prepared for. It's unprecedented the scenarios they could find themselves in.

So we need to respect the fact that danger is all around us now. And we've got a lot of unstable people who really have more access to more items that could be created to do damage. And that we have a situation where politics is polarizing. You know there's something I was talking to my husband about this weekend that there's something about the way that the media has used fear to scare people, to promote an agenda, to divide people that takes people and makes violent acts acceptable. Yes. And so the media, I would say the fake news is shameful

for twisting and telling lies that divides people and doesn't bring us together on a shared purpose. When Teddy Roosevelt was shot ahead of a speech, he was told that, he said right as he gave the speech, he said that his political opponents had been inflaming weak minds. Yes, right. They been in flaming weak minds. Yes, right.

They were in flaming weak minds. That's exactly right. Which is what left us far too often. Which is what's happening. I believe that still holds true today. So we need to make sure that there's still voices out there of truth and people who still love each other. Yes.

I mean, that's really why we were created, is that we're all human beings. We may disagree on a few things, but boy, we were created to serve each other. And that's what we need to be reminded of as well. Well, amen. Last question for you. I see you're in the news this week. You went to a restaurant and someone swiped your purse. Who is in a covid mask, by the way? That's right. That tells you.

Did you ever get the purse back? No, I didn't. It was kind of shocking, actually, because it was sitting right by my feet. It was I actually felt my purse. He hooked it with his foot and drug it a few steps away and dropped a coat over it and took it. But I felt it, but I thought it was my grandkids kicking me in the legs.

But it was very professionally done. And I think that is, yes, the theft was. And it tells me that this happens all the time to people and that they live in communities where this is a danger and it reaffirms why I'm here. My job is to make sure that I do everything every day I can to make our communities safer. And President Trump recognizes that families shouldn't have to live

with any kind of violence in their lives. So you think you were targeted just because you were a woman with a purse and not because you're the DHS secretary? Do you think? I don't know. And there's an investigation going on, but I think I was a busy grandma with four kids, four grandkids under the age of four. And I was, you know, taking care of them and feeding them food and enjoying my family.

But certainly had my purse even touching my feet. And that's how vulnerable people can be. So I think we need to be aware, but also be making sure there's consequences for people like that that make a living off of harming other people. Amen. All right, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. Thank you.

What a pleasure. Nice to see you today. Nice to see you too. Thank you. There she is rather. There's the secretary of department of Homeland Security. Thank you again to Kristi Noem. A lot going on there.

By the way, for those who are wondering, if you're listening to the audio podcast, you can't see our live chat, rumble.com slash events. I was trying to indicate during the interview that the reason you're hearing background noise during all of this is because the White House arranged for a bunch of different hosts and outlets to conduct interviews at the White House.

This is a part of the most transparent administration. You have to believe at any point in American history, you know, with the dawn of the internet, of independent media, of the ability of all these people to break through the legacy media blockade, the White House has embraced new media in a really big way. That includes this show.

And so what they've done is they've opened their doors and they said, hey, everyone come in. And as a result, we get these interviews all kind of happening simultaneously. Of course, I'm sitting at that moment with the DHS secretary, Kristi Noem. So my thanks again to the White House. The background noise, just a product of, you know, there's a lot, not a lot of good spaces for a million interviews to all be happening at once. So we were all there in that room together. That was really nice. But let me, let me just hit some of the top line items, I think,

that we got from the DHS secretary. For those who have been asking about further mass deportations beyond the very violent criminals that the Trump administration is correctly targeting as they triage this problem in the country. She is saying right now that, and you've seen some of the advertising,

perhaps you've seen some of it on television or online, that she's in the ads. She's talking about right now, if you are illegal in this country, you better register with the government. You better file something with us to indicate that you're here illegally. And then you should self-deport

or we're gonna figure out a way to get you out of the country. We'll work together to do that. But this is the only way that you can have a future prospect of potentially coming back to the United States in some legal format in the future. But regardless of what any of that looks like, if you are here illegally and you don't register

and we catch you and we deport you, you are not coming back. There's no scenario where you're coming back to the United States of America. So this is a combination sort of carrot stick approach. And the window was was it was announced about a week or two ago. So that 30 day clock that the DHS secretary is given is counting down.

And so I asked her there, so does that mean we're going to see more action in the next month in terms of mass deportations? And I think the suggestion that she gave me in response was pretty clearly, yes, you're going to see a lot going on. So we have that to look forward to. The Secret Service investigation continues. Yes, she is the DHS secretary. Yes, she oversees Secret Service. But as she pointed out, there's an FBI investigation into this right now. And that means it falls under the leadership of Cash Patel and Dan

Bongino, of course, a Secret Service alum himself. They are undertaking that effort. To the extent that she's doing anything to handle the present day Secret Service, she mentioned the communications obligations that they have to make sure it's insane that a local cop can spot a shooter on top of a roof, yell into his radio that there's a gun and not have Secret Service agents who are at the same event hear him. Total communications breakdown in an event that demands a lot more answers, including how much malice went into the construction of that day's security at that rally in Butler. And then finally, her purse was stolen at a DC restaurant this weekend. How does that

happen to the DHS secretary? And that gets right back to the Secret Service question because she has Secret Service protection. Obviously, priority one is to protect the person, but I would think somewhere near the top of that list would be also prevent her question because she has Secret Service protection. Obviously, priority one is to protect the person, but I would think somewhere near the top of that list would be also prevent her from being robbed. Interesting to hear her talk about that though. She thought it was very professionally done. And I'm not convinced she was just targeted because she was a woman with a purse. I think somebody had it out for the DHS secretary. And now she had her purse stolen. And the last thought from that is if she can have her purse stolen, the DHS secretary and now she had her purse stolen. And the last thought from that is

if she can have her purse stolen, the DHS secretary with all the resources that the federal government has at his disposal. And that was this weekend. It is now Wednesday. It was Tuesday when I spoke to her. She hasn't been able to get that thing back yet. What's the hope for the rest of us

if we get something stolen from us? What are the chances we ever see those things again? A worrying sign in our conversation, but I'm very grateful for that. DHS Secretary Christie. Now, I'm coming up. I've got a lot of more great, a lot, a lot of great conversations, including with a guy, Alex Pfeiffer. I've known this guy for many years. He is the principal deputy communications director for the White House. And he wants to bring to the surface some of the stories that the Trump administration is trying to tell,

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Shopbeam.com slash Vince show. Thank you very, very much to those guys. Hey, let me, I'll just, once again, I just want to say this guy, Alex Pfeiffer, I mentioned it here in the interview, but I'll say right up front, he used to work for me. He was my White House, he was my White House reporter many years ago. We hired him very young and he went on subsequently. He worked on Tucker Carlson's show for a time on the Fox News channel. He was one of his producers, really talented at that job. And then he, the president hired him to be one of

his top communications guys. So this guy knows his stuff. And you're going to like Alex Pfeiffer. Here he is. Real privilege always to stop by the White House as the way as what they're doing right now is they're marking the 100th day of the administration, which is technically April 30th. But as we get closer to that, a lot of these officials inside of the administration are fanning out, talking to the media and of course, coming to you right here on this program to tell you some updates on how everything is going. And that includes my next guest, who I've known for a very long time now, Alex Pfeiffer. Alex Pfeiffer is the principal deputy communications director here under President Trump and his 47th administration. And he joins me now live at the White House. Hello, Alex.

Vince, it's a pleasure to be on. And I have to correct you. You're right. Unfortunately, start off some fake news to your viewers. The hundredth day is the 29th. What? Because here at the White House, we're counting January 20th as day one because the president fired off so many executive orders and already accomplished so many promises shortly after inauguration. That's not a good fact check. But anyway we're approaching a hundred days one way or the other. It is good to see you. So people know so we can set the frame here. Alex used to work with and for me years ago now at the Daily Caller as the White House

correspondent. So you've seen both sides of this. I have actually. And I was thinking about that the other week. I mean, I've been in the briefing room and then on the other side helping brief Caroline, our press secretary, before those briefings. And it's much more enjoyable being on this side of things. Is it? Yeah, than working for you. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't let you finish your sentence. Thank you for that. It is a different thing. I know it's like you do fight for scraps. I know if you're like a reporter, you're just fighting to get whatever you can here. Is the incoming kind of crazy? What

does it like to get on the incoming reporters? So fortunately, my role in sort of the com shop, I deal with less of incoming and more of the upcoming. And from my point of view, it's just like, it's hard to get everything out that we're doing. I mean, every single day, all these cabinet agencies are making tons of announcements and, you know, flooding the zone, like, you know, everyone likes to use the term

flooding the zone, but, and we are. And so it's a fight for me to get the little things that I don't want to get attention. For example, last week, I doubt you even know this, listeners or viewers know this from your listeners or viewers notice. We did final approvals for this copper mine in Arizona resolution copper, it's going to provide up to a

quarter of the nation's copper needs. And that's like a big deal. Big. And it barely got any attention because there's so much other stuff going on. So like my day to day fight is working to get the good things we're doing attention is sort of my focus on it. And I've you know, I have a to do list to start the day and most days I working to get the good things we're doing attention is sort of my focus on it. And I have a to-do list to start the day and most days I don't get to check off all of it because there's a lot going on.

And then like you mentioned, things pop up, people say stuff, things happen, and we sort of have to deal with the response to it. One of my roles here is helping lead our great rapid response account. Yes, I love the rapid response account. It's awesome. But yeah, so for instance, like here's one of the conversations we've had with the audience

and just talking about this last week is this guy in Venezuela, or sorry, who's in El Salvador right now, the MS-13 guy. You know, there's some people on the right who are like, hey, this story is kind of a distraction from all these other important things that are happening in the Trump administration. Yes, true, it is in that in that sense is a distraction. But on the other hand, this is a political matter. I love rubbing the left's face in this because it is so cartoonish that they've gone all in on defending the rights of ms 13 people at the expense of American citizens. So yeah, go

ahead, keep that story alive, because it only redounds to the benefit of the president and the people who voted for him in the first place. Yeah, no, I if they want to talk about Kim are a brego Garcia every single day. I hope they do. You know, I should start actually getting on their mailing list, sending them some talking points to keep them in the news because today a friend of mine sent me a tweet from Senator Van Hollen in 2017

during the first Trump administration. And he was like, you know, Mr. President, you need to focus on deporting MS-13 members, not scholarship winners. It's like, oh, yeah, okay, Senator Van Hollen, we've deported an MS-13 gang member from your state. Where's our applause for that? So if they wanna talk about this guy, we'll talk about him. And the key thing is, and this is also why, like you,

I sort of, well, I reject the distraction premise because it's the news, it's what people are talking about. It's what's being talked about in court. So it's not a frivolous issue, but also we're not gonna cede ground on this. The majority of Americans support, not just deporting people with an additional criminal record, but they support deporting anyone here

who is here without legal status. So, and they're saying all these headlines, mistakenly deported. The only mistake is that he was not deported earlier. That's the only mistake. The only mistake is that someone was able to come here in, I believe, 2012 and hang around and not get deported. Right. That is not how a country should operate.

No, it shouldn't operate like that at all. And it's just cartoonish that they're still mounting a defensive. And four more Democrats are right there right now in El Salvador trying to say we've got to bring them home. One of them said today I'm not coming home until he's released. They're going to be there for a long time. The one who said that it was Congresswoman Maxine Dexter, I believe her name and she's I guess in a competition become the dumbest Maxine in Congress. And she had said in an initial statement that Kilmar Abrego-Garcia is a legal US resident, which is just like,

you know, cartoonishly wrong. And, you know, obviously the press didn't, you know, do the proper call-outs of her. That works. That's true. They did not. Hey, so I like that too, the dumbest Maxine in Congress. She's got a long way to go. So when it comes to some of the other things that you feel like, okay, look, I've been trying to get this out there and not being talked about. I think it's big that we got more copper development. I like being in the world where under the Biden administration, it was homes were being raided to steal copper pipes to sell. Here now under the Trump administration, you're generating more copper.

Love that. Also economic data looks like it is heading in the right direction. Deflation is a good thing for American consumers and we have it right now. Consumer prices fell for the first time nearly three years in March. Core CPI I think was at its lowest in four years. And then on the Econ news front, you know, this morning Roche, I think is how you pronounce it. It's like a Swiss, you know, makeup company. Yeah. Or not makeup, sorry. I'm wrong. Health company.

Yeah. They announced a $60 billion investment in New Jersey. It's going to create thousands of jobs. The bike company in Indiana announced that they're breaking ground on the first. We don't make bikes here. Bizarre are the things we don't make here. So now we're going to finally make that in Indiana. So every single day we see new positive investment.

Where's the Louisville slugger made nowadays? That's a good question. I hope it's still Louisville slugger made nowadays? That's a good question. I hope it's still Louisville. Some Chinese town that phonetically pronounces Louisville. I'd like to make that in America. If you don't mind, that'd be good. That's a great story. The other story, of course, we talked about it

with Kristi Noem today and others, is the border story is better than I expected it would be. It's better than I expected it would be. It's better than I expected it would be. It's better than anyone could even have imagined. It's better than a fantasy. You know, Steven Dyneth, Washington Times, had this amazing story. Catch and release is down 99.99%. He did the exact, you know, calculation. But we have areas of the border. I mean, one anecdote I always like to bring up is a migrant shelter in San Diego closed because there are no migrants to be in the shelter.

Right. And you, the Wall Street Journal, this amazing story this weekend about the border essentially being shut. And so like the president, since he gave his first speech in, I think it was June 2015, coming down the golden escalator to present day, the animating issue, one of the animating issues of the Trump movement, the America first movement, whatever you want to call call it has been securing the border and border security and we actually accomplished it in 100 days like I don't think it's it's not very often that there

is a politician who makes lofty campaign promises or campaign ads etc and can actually do it in 100 days most don't even get it done in four years right or eight years but 100 days I think is pretty impressive and I'd like to keep bragging about it. That's cool. So on the immigration story, I asked Secretary Noem about mass deportations. Because one of the things we hear a lot is, okay, good, I'm glad you're getting rid of criminal illegals, like the people who go beyond. I mean, they're already, again, to be really clear, if you're here illegally, you've committed a crime. But when people say criminal illegals, what they're saying is violent criminals, who are also illegal aliens. But there's the basic category of just people who are here illegally, you've committed a crime. But when people say criminal illegals, what they're saying is violent criminals who are also illegal aliens. But there's the basic category of just

people who are here illegally who have broken our nation's laws. And the question that I get a lot is when are we going to start seeing mass deportations? And the answer that Secretary Noem just gave me was, well, look, I just started a 30-day clock. The president just did a couple days ago saying, you have a chance right now to register with the government and then to self-deport. And if that doesn't happen, well, consequences will ensue. So it sounds like, and maybe you've got some perspective on this, it sounds like about a month from now, we could see a lot more consequential action on these mass deportations that the president ran on. Yeah, look, I think on the deportation front, the ramping up, it's a part of it.

It's also we need more resources from Congress. And that's part of the reconciliation fight, is to get more funding for ICE capabilities. One way of looking at it that I thought about yesterday was, we're net decreasing the amount of legal immigrants. So you know, under prior administration, for like every 30, you know, new legal, you get maybe you report one, you know, now we're getting zero and you know, we're deporting. So I don't find, I see criticism online. I find it disingenuous just to the fact that like, we are doing everything we can with the resources we have. We're asking Congress for more resources. And we are certainly deporting a lot of people. Like, it's not like we're not deporting people. And the president has made clear, Tom Homan has made clear, Christine Homan has made clear, like we're going to keep pumping up the numbers and they're making all these steps to do so. I mean, we even see self deportations now using the CBP One app.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it speaks to what we're talking about speaks to the very high expectations that people have of President Trump because he has delivered on so many of these really important promises and they're so many of these really important promises. And they're so sick of what the left did when it was in control of government that they want to see a dramatic course correction. This is why you see with each passing day these conversations about, well, when are we going to see the perp walks of all these government officials? When are people going to be arrested?

When are they going to be charged? All of these things. And I think the answers that we're getting right now from the Trump Justice Department, for instance, are, just hold on, this is a deliberative process. We have to do things the right way, not the way it used to be done, which was the abusive and wrong way. Yeah, I can't speak to anything that Justice Department's doing, but everything is being done the right way. And one thing you and I were talking about before we got on air, when it comes to

filling promises, my team's are doing a project where we go back to the president's rallies and then we compare what he's actually done on them. And it's almost every single thing he talked about at the rally we've either done or are in progress of doing. One good example is the fentanyl tariffs on Canada and Mexico for allowing all this fentanyl to flood in and kill Americans.

When it got announced in these outlets like the New York Times, we're like, oh, what's going on? What's he announcing? I went back. It is last rally in Grand Rapids. It was on I think 2 a.m. of Election Day. The president said, well, I'm going to tear off Canada and Mexico until they stop laying the fennel into our country. So you know, we've either accomplished already what we said we're doing or we're in the progress of doing it. Yes, I do love that one of the features of the Trump presidency is that he has to force people

who hate him to consume his every word. To be like, okay, what did he actually say about this subject, which is always really funny. Because look, you and I both know, the media went for years, they straight up said, we're not showing his speeches on television anymore. We refused to watch. They go, oh, we're not gonna give him oxygen.

And it's like, what are you talking about? He's the major party presidential candidate. He has the oxygen. And in fact, CNN and all these outlets were doing a disservice to their viewers by not showing his rallies. Yes. And now those same outlets are begging for oxygen at this White House. Oh, yes, they are. Have you seen the ratings there recently?

It's it's nuts. I mean, the CNN numbers are not good. No, they're not good. They're not good. There's a way to change that. You know, you can start telling the truth. We'll give Vince a show, maybe. Yeah. Give me a show. I don't need a show on CNN. I get this. Hey, thank you very much.

Alex Pfeiffer, brother. Always good to see the great Alex Pfeiffer principal deputy communications director right here at the Trump White House. Yeah, sometimes these guys have very long titles. Principal Deputy Communications Director. I like that was nice. I know he meant that as a compliment at the end. Maybe you can do a show on CNN. I thought about it for two seconds. I was like, wait a second. Why would I want to drop my ratings? CNN? I think we're fine. I think we're fine with this great program. And I appreciate you for always being here. Alex Pfeiffer, isn't he

great? I'd like to hear more from him in public. He's, he's good, but he's chipping away behind the scenes. In fact, the thing that he's very responsible for, you heard him kind of casually mentioned it in that interview. If you like the rapid response 47 account on X, this is where the White House is constantly posting these like really quick videos and great things that are going on. That's Alex's team, Alex runs that.

So he's doing a great job there. My thanks again to the great Alex Pfeiffer for stopping by Vince, the podcast. So let me thank the sponsors who make this all possible. Helix Sleep is one of them. I am so happy with my Helix mattress. It is an award- winning mattress, the brand, the whole brand is.

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Those of you who are listening on the podcast, on our rumble stream, rumble.com slash Vince, as we're going live, there is a major emoji Justin developed for us. Justin asked me a couple weeks ago, he said, hey, send me a photo of the dog. And I was like, sure. So I did. And sure enough, now we have a major emoji and it's going absolutely wild in the chat right now with, you know, 50,000 patriots absolutely dialed in on the major emojis. Thank you, guys. Anyway, Major's doing great. Major, I wish I could have brought him with me to the White House yesterday. That would have been a way to really get some more interviews. I did see Caroline Levitt yesterday, the White House press secretary, and she was

really nice. I thanked her again for helping us get President Trump on the show. If you haven't seen that yet, you can go back in our episodes. We had President Trump on the program and it was great. Caroline Levitt played a huge role in making that happen. So our thanks to Caroline there. Again, we were at the White House yesterday. We did have a lot of conversations,

including my next guest that I wanna share with you is Brian Hughes. He is a spokesman for the National Security Council with a fancy title, but again, he's a spokesman for the National Security Council. So we talked all things national security. Here's my chat with Brian Hughes. All right. Joining me now from the White House, Brian Hughes, the deputy national security advisor

here. Brian, nice to see you again. Good to see you again. How sleepy have things been lately? It does feel like a boring place, doesn't it? Very boring, lots of extra time to sleep and have fun. How are things on the national security front right now for the Trump administration?

Well, as we see every day, President Trump only has one gear and it goes very, very fast. So whether it's the work we do here at home or on America's behalf out in the rest of the world, the president's commitment level and the pace are serious. There's a lot of important things happening in the world today and the president remains focused and we the National Security Council are trying to implement his vision every day.

One of the big items in the news right now is obviously the president's prosecuting, well, this war, this battle against the Houthis in Yemen and all of those proxy fights against Iran. How is that going right now? Are things improving there or are they as kind of chaotic as they seem from the outside? You know, the operation against the Houthis is massive and it's growing and it's very successful. We've taken out key leadership, we've degraded their capacity to attack in the international shipping lanes. There's certainly more work to do, but there's no doubt that we've degraded and as you note the you know essentially the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas these are all proxies of Iran they are

they are organizations that were like Iran itself on their back heels when Trump left office the first time but Biden did so many things wrong that Iran was able to get its cash flow back up and Iran uses that cash to directly fund attacks on us and our allies. How are negotiations with Iran going right now? You know, they're going. I think the president has made and continues to make a really important good faith effort. The president would rather get to a place at a negotiation table rather than the alternatives, but he's holding every option and hoping that Iran sees that he is extremely serious about his commitment that they'll never have a nuclear weapon.

A nuclear weapon, Iran, would so destabilize the Middle East beyond where it's been under Biden that it simply can't happen. And the president's commitment is steadfast. But again, the president will always try to do that through discussion and negotiation. But they should make no mistake about it that all options are on the table. So when you say all options, is that from carrot to stick,

like in terms of normalizing relationships with Iran all the way to going to war with Iran? Well, all options are all options, and you've kind of identified the far ends of the spectrum. Yes. A full normalization with Iran seems as hard to imagine as war. Where we're living is in the middle space, and that's where I think it would be best solved. But all options are all options, because we simply cannot accept an Iran with a nuclear weapon.

The instability in their own government is both a good reason for them to be at the table, but also a good indicator of why they cannot possess a nuclear weapon. They are a fanatic regime that has its own instability internally that would make that just untenable. Are we getting much support from Arab partners in the Middle East to try and navigate towards a peace here? We are. I mean, there's always a complicated dance that our regional partners have to do there. But I think our allies in the Middle East, the Emirates, the various other nations, I think they understand the same as we do, that it's just it would be too much of a destabilizing

force to see them nuclear with a nuclear weapon. So they're certainly helping. I mean, we have partners like Oman and UAE that are helping facilitate discussions. So it's an important part of what's happening now. That's a big deal. I want to ask you about these, the signal stuff that keeps popping up in the news all the time.

My view is it's a little, the nerve wracking component for me, the signal stuff is how unsecure are our own government systems that government officials feel like they've got to use signal to communicate with one another. Is there anything to read into that particular thing? Well, you don't have to imagine it. And I would, you know, I'd hate to say that

the Biden administration got anything right. But you can look back to CISA, the folks that look at cybersecurity for the government. CISA during Biden in 2024 issued a report that really comprehensively looked at the threats, particularly in China and Iran as it comes to cyber and to technology. So even the Biden administration had suggested to senior officials in that report that encrypted and encrypted messaging was better for public or senior officials. And they even introduced in that report that Signal is a good option.

Again, what's most important to understand about it, and I think both my boss, National Security Advisor, Mike Walz, and Secretary Hegsath of the O.D. have been trying to make sure this is understood. No classified information has been put through Signal. Everyone universally understands and agrees that it's not a platform for classified. Yep.

But as an encrypted end-to-end app, it works for unclassified material. In fact, many departments load Signal, the Signal, they load it on devices, and in in fact the White House, I have a White House cell phone yep and it has the Signal app added to it. So Signal is another tool in a communication toolbox. Yes. It is completely for unclassified. No one in the government

in any of this reporting has been shown. No one is using it for classified information Right also isn't in some cases up to some of the people who are on these communications whether something is classified or not In other words, if you're the Secretary of Defense, don't you have classification authority? Can't you make decisions about what's considered classified and what's not correct Correct, and most of that is a function of timing. You know, when something starts, the classification of it dramatically changes. But we have very good, very solid, secure systems, and we use them every day in a variety of ways.

But for unclassified material, there's a lot of different ways to communicate. And again, even since the Biden era, Signal has been one of those suggested as a good alternative for unclassified encryption. Tell me about whether or not that you're encountering internal resistance inside of the federal government

for the efforts of the Trump administration. Because like right now, just to give you an example, I know Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has talked about how she's trying to do all these transparency initiatives that the president has asked of her. And yet she says she keeps finding that there are people who are resisting her efforts

to give her information, or have tried to hide information in places where they think no one will find them. What are you encountering? It is rampant, and it's been what President Trump talked about in his first term, really came to understand the power of it in his first term and then committed to changing the culture dramatically. And there is extreme resistance. The swamp and the deep state as we talk about, there are deeply entrenched bureaucracies

across our federal government that are, they've been here for decades. They have power bases that they are very hesitant to give up to elected officials, and they are absolutely petrified about the type of transparency and openness that President Trump is forcing on the government and the people that work for him. about the type of transparency and openness that President Trump is forcing on the government and the people that work for him. So what happens when you encounter that resistance? Like if you identify someone who's slow walking things, how does the government, how do you handle that?

Well the first thing you have to do is confront it with force. Like expose it as you mentioned a great example which is D.N.I. Gabbard. She's very very aggressive and again her her wheelhouse in the in the Intel community is perhaps the most entrenched bureaucracy. They live in a veil of secrecy in some cases for good reason but in some cases just as a nature of this this separate view they have of the world. So she's extremely aggressive and many of us are about exposing it. And the other thing you just have to do is put your head down.

I mean, there are forces in this town that very much hate disruption. You've seen what they've done going after Elon Musk. You've seen them go after my boss, NSA Waltaltz, Secretary Hegseth, D&I gabbert. I mean, across the federal bureaucracy, when President Trump's mandate is brought into departments and agencies, and that mandate is to shine the light, open it up, let people see what their government's doing and hold government accountable, they are very much resistant.

Does the president himself ever have to get involved in these disputes where there's like some sort of resistance and an agency's trying to stop you guys from pursuing your agenda and he just shoves everything through? He really doesn't have to because he has empowered such a great group of leaders. When you look at his cabinet and senior leadership team, there is nobody on the sidelines quietly rooting for the old guard. These are people who understand what the president's mission was as he gave them, which is get in, disrupt this, open it up, put it under the bright lights, and let's make this a

government that is more responsible to the people who elected it. Okay. Finally, national security concerns. We talked about international ones. What about domestically? Obviously, we're watching as MS-13 guys are being rounded up, ejected from the country. What is the domestic national security picture

like right now? Well, it's better today than it was just three months ago. I mean, when you look at what the president's done, securing our border, you know, we had no idea, no vetting on millions and millions of people who came to this country. We have for all intents and purposes stopped that flow completely and at the same time have an extremely aggressive campaign to get the worst of the worst out. When, you know, the designation of these transnational gangs as terror organizations is appropriate first.

And second, it has led us to getting extremely violent, bad people out of our country. So we are more secure than we've ever been, but we're also extremely vigilant and even more committed to that mission, which is keep the homeland safe. Listen, let's make no mistake about it. When you talk about foreign policy,

the greatest tool in the world for peace is a strong and secure America at home. That's for sure. All right, Deputy National Security Advisor, Ryan Hughes. Good to see you, sir. Good to see you, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate that. My thanks to the national security advisor,

deputy national security advisor. He's a spokesman there. On behalf of the whole Trump administration of national security, Brian Hughes did a great job breaking down what they're dealing with inside of the administration. And the problems that they're encountering inside of the administration, the people that

are still creating havoc as a part of that deep state, they're in there and they have to be rooted out, no question. So the question for you today on the Rumble Chat, those of you who are watching live, and if you're not watching live, let me know anywhere on my social media channels as well, who would you like to see me interview going forward? We had a lot of great interviews at the White House this week. I do have a bunch of, you know, irons in the fire for some other big interviews. Secretary Rubio is going to join us. The Secretary of State at some point will have him soon. Tom Holman, the border czar, also going to stop by. I do want to have an interview. I'd love to have an interview with people like Tulsi

Gabbard and Stephen Miller and RFK Jr. Of course, we'll try and have the president back. And I think I've already told you before, the FBI director himself, Cash Patel, indicated to me, late last year we had a conversation. He said that he is gonna come on at some point. So I'd love to get him in here in the near term, maybe with some results in hand, so he can talk to this audience. I'm sure he'll be very eager to do that.

So if there are people that you would like me to speak with, put them in the chat, put them on social media, let me know and we will set about getting those interviews for you looking very much forward to continued conversations because look, the whole point of this exercise, the whole reason we do this together is to suss out the truth that's being kept from you every single day. I'll leave you with this. In terms of transparency, one more thing to share today. Reagan Reese, my

White House correspondent over at The Daily Caller, she was inside the Oval Office yesterday as the president was once again opening the Oval Office to the press and doing a big event there. And she asked outright, hey, when are we getting the rest of the Jeffrey Epstein files? Here is the president's response to that question. Take a look at this. So when can we send the Epstein documents to the rest of them?

Which documents? The Epstein files? I don't know. I'll speak to the attorney general about that. I really don't know. I know that we've done the RFK to Kennedy. Martin Luther King is out there very shortly. So we'll find out.

And we've really, really announced we're doing them in full transparency. We did JFK. People were saying, oh, maybe it wasn't all, it was all. And people actually went up to the office and they looked at some things that were, you know, not really easily available. And they were amazed that we gave it all. And I don't know if it solved any problems for people.

People still have questions one way or the other, but I'm not, but 100% of all of these documents are being delivered. All right, so the president's saying, I'm gonna talk to the attorney general, Pam Bondi, about that, a nice update. Lots of people having questions. One of the Epstein files are all coming out.

One of those Epstein tapes, all that blackmail. When are we gonna find out what's actually in there? The president's saying, I'll check with the attorney general. Thank you for asking. And thank you for watching Vince, listening to Vince. I'm always appreciative of you, the best damn audience in media.

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