The Dan Bongino Show - NATO Caves And America First Wins Again | Episode 73

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

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Conducting conducting yet another election rigging. I'm gonna get to all of that today Also the president of the United States just wrapping up the NATO summit, returning home, and he's doing it with a bunch of victories, including now he's got the international community calling him daddy. I don't even know how he achieved that, but that's a bonus. We've got that and so much more on this edition of Vince.

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Remember what it used to be like? Remember when Joe Biden was in the Oval Office and then he would show up at events with NATO and then he would just wander away as the parachute team was trying to descend. He would fall asleep. Do you see what I'm, Guy, do you see what I'm showing here? Look at this. This is President Biden. He's wandering off.

He's got the parachute team with him. That was what the NATO summit looked like in the past. There he is. Bye, Biden. Bye. Where are you going, Joe? Hey, Joe, come back. Hey, Joe, come back. No, no, no, no, no. Over this way, Joe. Bye, Biden. Bye. Where are you going, Joe? Hey, Joe, come back. Hey, Joe. Come back. No, no.

No, no, no. Over this way, Joe. Over this way. You gotta look at the camera. Yeah, Joe has no idea what he's doing. And he had no idea what he was doing. He was completely vacant. This is... That was what it used to be like. Now we have a massive change here. Thank the good Lord. Yeah, everybody...

Joe looks so confused. Now we have a massive change here. Thank the good Lord. Yeah, everybody, Joe looks so confused. Now we have a massive change here because NATO is actually taking the President of the United States seriously again. So seriously that instead of just doing 2% of their spending now on defense, everyone has agreed that they will do 5% of their GDP on defense spending in order to protect their countries and their regions of the world.

NATO is a European multilateral alliance. It was started in order to fight back against the Soviet Union. And nowadays it's used for all sorts of foreign adventures, but recently the big thing has been that the war in Ukraine has been shouldered almost entirely by the United States giving the lion's share of the support to Ukraine over these last few years. Where have the European countries been? How many of them have been whining about, oh, if Putin barrels over Ukraine, he's coming for us next, he's going to invade the rest of Europe?

If you actually believe that, then act like it. Then act like it. Support Ukraine then if that's what you want to do. If you want to dump a bunch of money in there, you want to have defense spending up, do it. But that's not what they've been doing. Instead, as always, a bunch of deadbeat countries have allowed the United States to come in and run the whole show and rescue everybody. That's been the plan. And under President Trump's first term and now subsequently under his second term, he said, no more, we're not doing that anymore. And as a result, this NATO summit included

every one of these countries saying, we're getting up to 5%. And with this summit has come a lot of respect for President Trump, a lot of respect. More respect than we even saw in his first term. And we saw quite a bit. The previous NATO secretary general was a guy by the name of Jen Stoltenberg.

And he would frequently thank President Trump for getting these countries to start raising their spending in order to meet their NATO commitments. But it's nothing like it is today. Because the new NATO secretary general is a guy called Mark Ruda. And he has been absolutely gushing with praise for President Trump for what he's done

to both strengthen that alliance and get these guys to pony up more money. And so when the president arrives with his team this week, all of these countries step forward and say, I'm paying 5% now, we're doing 5% now. And a lot of warm feelings for the president. In fact, so warm that the NATO secretary general, Mark Ruta yesterday in a hilarious moment was referring to President Trump as daddy, daddy Trump.

And this of course kicked off a series of very hilarious events. Here is cut one, the NATO Secretary General saying, yeah, you're daddy, you're daddy. Watch. I mean, we may do papers on it, Marco, maybe we're're gonna do papers. I don't even know if you need them. They're not gonna be fighting each other. They've had it. They've had a big fight, like two kids in a schoolyard. You know, they fight like hell. You can't stop them. Let them fight for about two, three minutes, then it's easier to stop them. And then daddy has to sometimes use strong language to get them to stop.

Strong language. Everyone's throwing, you have to use a certain word. Then daddy. Daddy. Daddy has to use a strong language sometimes. Sometimes daddy has to. That's the NATO Secretary General. He's having a great time. He's like, he's like, yeah, you know, and what Trump's talking about, of course, is do you like that? You like when I do the accent or you like his accent? Either way, I think it's funny. Yeah, the accent really crushes. Yeah, thank you. Guy says he likes both. He's of both but mark ruta. Yeah getting in there and saying it's even better when the daddy daddy gets involved Which is hilarious and that's what because president Trump the other day told he said look these guys are fucking around, right? There's nobody said about Iran and in Israel and they need to stop and they stopped they stopped Trump by the time got the Marine One, he was getting calls from Benjamin Netanyahu going, okay, okay, we're

backing off. We're slowing down. We're slowing down. The Iranians stopped too. So big ceasefire this week that's held for the past few days because of President Trump's efforts. And so Mark Ruud has been complimentary of that. And so, yeah, look, daddy got involved and he knocked it all down. He cleaned this stuff up. So then the president goes on to a press conference where he's flanked by his secretary of state and his secretary of defense. And Marco Rubio, you gotta watch this guy's face. Boy, we've come a long way from Marco Rubio

and Trump sharing a stage where they're debating with one another and Rubio's sweating like crazy. Now Rubio's cool as a cucumber. I haven't seen that guy sweat in years. And as he's standing up here, he is cracking up as some reporter asks President Trump about being called daddy by the NATO secretary general. Take a look at this, cut to.

The NATO chief who is your friend. He called you daddy earlier. Do you regard your NATO allies as kind of children? No, he likes me. I think he likes me. If he doesn't, I'll let you know. I'll come back and I'll hit him hard, okay? No? He did. He did it very affectionately. Daddy, you're my daddy.

Daddy, you're my daddy, he says. And this woman asked, you see Marco Rubio just absolutely cracking up during this Q&A. Really funny. I love that Trump added a little flourish to it though. Yeah, you heard from him. He said, daddy, you're my daddy, he said of the NATO secretary general. I don't remember, I don't think that was exactly the quote, but it was really funny for the

president to say that. So everybody seems to be having a good time except for that you know, scold over reporter. You really think you're daddy? You really think they're kids? How demeaning. And everybody's having a good time. Trump's having a good time. And then the same reporter from Sky News when the NATO Secretary General got up there, Mark Ruda, she went crazy yet again and she's like, do you really think that's that is an appropriate thing to do? To call him daddy? To say that that and listen to him He takes it in stride. Take a look cut three

Today you called him daddy and You sent a text message to him that was gushing with praise Is this the way that you feel that you have to act when doing business with the US president? Through flattery and praise. Isn't it a bit demeaning and doesn't it make you look weak? No, I don't think so. I think it's a bit of a question of taste, but I think he's a good friend and when he is doing stuff which is forcing us to, for example, when it comes to making more investments. I mean, would you ever think that this would be the result of this summit

if he would not have been re-elected president? Do you really think that seven or eight countries who said, yes, somewhere in the 2030s we might meet the 2%, we've now all decided in the last four or five months to get to 2%, so doesn't he deserve some praise? And when it comes to Iran, the fact that he took this decisive action, very targeted. Yeah. Yeah, so he's got a lot of praise for him.

5% spending by all the NATO countries? That's unreal. I can't even believe that's happening, says the NATO secretary general. This guy's settled up a peace right now between Israel and Iran? That's unreal. I can't even believe that's happening. Mark Ruda's basically saying to that chick, you should be calling him daddy. At this point, we should all be calling him daddy. That's the position that Mark Rood is taking. I love it.

I think the whole thing is really a hoot. It's funny. I love to see, I love this. You know what I love to see in about this? That the American president is getting respect and that there's gratitude. And there's some understanding that like, hey, you know what?

You want to be on the right side of anything? Be on the right side of the United States of America. that doesn't happen if Kamala Harris is in there. Nobody's calling that chick mommy Or what was it mama? La? There's no there's no way mark. We're just like oh, yes get mama La involved no nothing. There's nothing like that Trump he calls him daddy He calls him daddy. It's it's it's pretty good Now the White House thinks this is really funny. The White House is cracking up. Take a look. Here's cut five. The White House has put together a social media package as President Trump arrives back in the United States celebrating

the whole daddy episode. Look at this. Look at this. The usher. Unreal. President Trump walking the red carpet. Isn't it amazing how fast this White House is? Unreal. Unreal. In five seconds they had this daddy's home usher rendition up in no time. And here's one more thing about this that I absolutely just absolutely love. The left hates every second of this. The left are furious about this.

They are seething with emotional incontinence right now. They can't handle it. Just the idea. I mean, in fact, the fact that you and I think this is funny, even that is something that they're angry about. That, especially angry. How could you say that? The left sounds like that lady from Sky News. That's demeaning. How could anybody say that? That's ridiculous. And Trump wants

this kind of praise and people call him daddy and blah, blah, blah. Honestly, the more you get pissed off by it, the more I like it. The more I like it. I think it's fantastic. So anyway, there's the White House moving at light speed. God bless the White House social media team whipping that thing together and welcoming the President of the United States back and taking off Rachel Maddow all at the same time. If you can do that in one fell swoop you're doing a good job. Doing a good job wherever the White House. Daddy's home. Hilarious. Hilarious. You know we were we were having a lot of fun with this yesterday on the radio show too. We were doing our

our radio show which you can by the way listen to nationwide. Go to thevinshow.com, find your local radio listings, rumble.com slash Vince. And producer Jim on the radio show, he put together a Toby Keith rendition in order to celebrate all of the daddy coverage, which was just so super funny. Really, really good stuff. Producer Jim is unbeaten when it comes to that parody stuff. So really, really nice work, Producer Jim. So anyway, the guy comes back. This is a great event. A great, really the big accomplishment from all of this

is getting these NATO countries to spend a lot more money. And that means that we have to shoulder less of the burden, which is a fantastic development. But the cherry on top is that everybody's calling this guy daddy now Which cracks me up to no end. So I love that. Now that said, there still is all sorts of stupidity going on back home domestically over the fact that the president did disable the Iranian nuclear program, but the media don't want you to believe it.

They've spent the last 48, 72 hours trying to insist that, no, this thing wasn't debilitated. The Iranian nuclear program is fine. If anything, it was only set back by a couple of minutes, but they're going to be off and running in no time. It's going to be all up and running. And basically, the president is completely feckless. And what that means by implication is that the American military suck at their jobs. That decades of preparation for a strike on an Iranian nuclear facility,

which of course is what the military has been doing, this is clearly in the battle plans, this is clearly something they've been working on for a long time, that all of that was for naught, they suck at their jobs, and they miss their targets. That's the media presentation over the last few days. Now this has ticked off everybody in Trump world. This ticked off the president, the secretary of defense,

the secretary of state, the chairman of the joint chiefs, because what they're seeing is one, we obviously disabled Iran, why would they come to the table and establish this peace deal with Israel right now, this ceasefire, if it weren't for the fact that their nuclear facilities were blown to bits? Of course that happened, Of course that happened.

And the other big piece here is all the intelligence that these guys have seen has clearly demonstrated that they were substantially set back by these strikes, which were perfectly executed. It's crystal clear to anybody paying attention. And I wanna bring you now to kind of what has been happening in the last 24 hours on this subject. One, remember it was Natasha Bertrand.

She's a CNN reporter who presented all of this first to the American people. Natasha, I'll remind you, is the same woman who for Politico in 2020 tried to rig the election against President Trump by claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop was just Russian disinformation. She was carrying the deep state's water. And that the New York Post story was somehow fraudulent. That in other words, the New York Post piece on Hunter Biden's laptop was fake

because it was based on Russian disinformation and not on something authentic. Now, of course, the New York Times, New York Post rather was correct. And Politico, Natasha Bertrand was lying to you, but somehow Natasha Bertrand has of course advanced in her career and become better paid and works for all of these cable networks now to include CNN

and is acting like you should just trust her on this story about how Iran isn't truly disabled. Well, the woman who wrote the original New York Post piece, you know, the Hunter Biden story originally, she was just on a show, it's called Two Way. And on that program, she tore Natasha Bertrand up, limb from limb. Take a look at cut seven.

Here's Emma Jo Morris, once of the New York Post, now these days of Breitbart. Take a look. Obviously, Natasha Bertrand is a sinister liar. I go back with her because she literally pulled an intelligence operation on the country regarding my reporting. She is known for just uncritically. I'm sorry to stop you just because I want to add a little context.

This is a CNN reporter who wrote the original story, But I'll say it was matched by many other people. So I understand you've got a beef with her. But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What was matched was that it was a document exists that has a low level of confidence that is an isolated document that was released by itself with no other scope of information of what she's talking about.

And by a person who is known for uncritically parroting security state propaganda and has a long career and history of doing this. Yeah, that's right. Don't let her off the hook. Emma Jo Morris doesn't. It's hard not to blame her. I mean, it was her reporting that was authentic,

Emma Jo's was. And then this Natasha Bertrand character comes in to suggest that it was a lie, that Emma Jo was carrying water for a foreign adversary. Meanwhile, it was Natasha Bertrand who was carrying water for the deep state. And so when you see her put out a report like this, based on leaked, classified preliminary assessments, which again are not final reports in any capacity, which involve an estimate that's at

a range that's delivered at a low confidence. All of that context really matters, and yet it's used to try and besmirch Trump and suggest that the military failed at his job. Well, you gotta look at this lady's history. Should we trust her on this? Hell no. Why would we trust her on this? Not when she's so obviously and cartoonishly and corruptly lied to us in the past. That's what Emma Jo is saying. So good for Emma Jo for sticking to that grudge because it matters, it really matters. It tells us a big story.

Now the whole planet is dunking on this CNN report from Natasha Bertrand right now. It's not just Emma Jo Morris. Now it's the IAEA, which is coming out. The Israeli Atomic Energy Commission is coming out. The Iranians have come out. The Iranians have come out and they said, yeah, the facilities are pretty messed up actually.

They're really destroyed right now. Even the Iranians, the CIA, John Ratcliffe came out and said that yes, this thing is completely disabled. It was an excellent mission. And so every one of the players involved on both sides of the issue all agree that the Iranian nuclear program has absolutely been blasted into another century. And CNN wants to insist, well, they're just days away from getting it up and running. So who are you going to trust here? Who are you going to trust?

I know who I'm gonna trust. All right, hold on. I've got some stories for you coming up, including we've got a really important, really, really important development out of Wisconsin. Democrats have been trying to rig elections there in Wisconsin to steal the United States House of Representatives.

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I'll set you up with this Wisconsin story ahead of talking to Ron Johnson. And here's what we've learned. Remember back just a couple months ago, if we flash back to March, it was actually April 1st, there was a massive election in Wisconsin that captured the nation's attention. And the reason for that was because the Wisconsin Supreme Court control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court was up for grabs. You remember this. And at the time, I was telling you that that Supreme Court case in Wisconsin, although a local race to that state could have a deep and lasting impact on the entire country. Whoever controls the Supreme Court there could dictate the future of our

country itself. And that is why Elon Musk got involved. Remember Elon Musk going to Wisconsin and campaigning ahead of the election, standing on a stage or a rally stage, getting voters out, because Democrats already controlled the Supreme Court and Republicans were fighting to get that control out of their hands, instead put it in the hands of normal people who would act like normal judges and not like left-wing crazy people. That was the fight. Well, it's a fight that we lost, unfortunately. It's a fight that we lost. And a lot of good people really put in a lot of time to try and make that thing happen.

And Scott Pressler is one of them. Elon Musk, remember Ron Johnson, who's coming up. You'll see, here's Ron Johnson. He was on that rally stage campaigning to try and get people to actually vote to get control of the Supreme Court there. Yeah. And so Ron Johnson, who once again, I'll just thank here,

but I'll talk to him in a few minutes about all of this. He was fighting there. But in the end, that April 1st election comes and goes, we lose, we lose. Democrats retain control. Well, that was misery inducing, wasn't it? Because the thought at that point was like, well, Wisconsin's gonna rig the entire election.

And what I mean by that specifically is that there was a case that the left was putting before the court to redraw the district lines in order to steal safe Republican congressional seats away and turn them into Democrat congressional seats. Well, I approached you this morning with good news. them into Democrat congressional seats. Well, I approached you this morning with good news. With good news. We have a miracle update from the Associated Press about what just happened to Wisconsin yesterday. And it's this. The Wisconsin Supreme Court is now

refusing to hear challenges to the state's congressional district boundaries. They're refusing to hear these challenges. Let me be clear about this. Republicans have won this case. The liberal controlled Wisconsin Supreme Court on Wednesday refused to hear challenges brought by Democrats seeking to throw out the battleground state's current congressional district boundaries

before the 2026 midterms. The decisions made without any explanation from the court is a setback for Democrats who hope for new, friendlier district boundaries in Wisconsin as they attempt to win back control of the House next year. This is great. Democrats asked the court to redraw the maps, which would have put two of the state's six congressional

seats currently held by Republicans into play. It was the second time in as many years that the court had refused to hear the challenges. Now I will push down to one other item of this that you need to know about that's super important. The people that they defeated here, the Democrats who lost, were Mark Elias. Mark Elias, the Elias Law Group, was the the lefty law firm that was

involved here. Mark Elias has been involved in all of the big election rigging schemes across the country. This guy is constantly fighting not to win based on votes but instead to win based on underhanded tactics and working the refs. Mark Elias lost. So the thing that we were on guard for, this is not this is just one of many things but this is a big one, the thing that we were on guard for was these lines being redrawn in a way to steal the elections for Democrats. So Ron Johnson coming up in just moments.

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which is the Wisconsin Supreme Court has sided with Republicans and will not be redrawing the district lines now for those congressional districts ahead of the midterms in 2026. That is a huge, huge relief as far as I'm concerned. What's your reaction to that? Well, I was pleasantly surprised to say the least. You know, it might be because the Supreme Court overturned one of the rulings, nine to zero. Plus, I think the case for taking this case up was incredibly weak.

And so even these radical left justices were tempered by the fact that the law was completely against the appeal on this case. So that's good news, but let's face it, Democrats are relentless. They won't stop their efforts, but this gave us a reprieve at least for the next election. Do you think that maybe those Supreme Court justices were also heeding the voice of the people? This became such a huge issue. You were on that campaign stage with Elon Musk earlier this year in that big

campaign for who would control the state Supreme Court. You think maybe the justices were aware that the public was watching closely? I doubt it. I don't think, again, the whole point of radical lefts is concentrating on the courts is so they can basically be super legislators. They can legislate from the bench. That's their goal.

I can't really, again, my guess is I think the law was just probably so overwhelmingly against them even taking up the case, much less ruling to disregard the maps. And they were chasing by a nine zero overruling of an earlier case that they decided. So, I think it's probably more just sort of reputation going, this is a bridge too far. Even us radical leftists can't go this far. Yeah I'll take good news

where I can get it so I'm glad to see that out of Wisconsin today. I know you are as well. Tell me about the big beautiful bill and where you are on that right now in the United States Senate. I know you've had concerns about spending on this thing but you did meet with the president earlier this week so what has come from these conversations? Well, let me start with the fact that the big beautiful bill has dealt a horrible blow here this morning. I don't know the exact details when the Senate parliamentarian pretty well knocked out the major reforms to Obamacare expansion on Medicaid expansion. Okay, the

thing that threatens Medicaid for the truly vulnerable, disabled children, that type of thing. So she just all of a sudden ruled that, oh, that's more policy than budgetary. So basically what the parliamentarian is saying is you can use reconciliation to dramatically increase spending, that's budgetary, but if you're trying to decrease spending,

and that's the only reason we're dealing with Medicaid this way is to decrease spending. The fact that we're mortgaging our kids' future, oh, that's policy and that's the only reason we're dealing with Medicaid this way is to decrease spending. The fact that we're mortgaging our kids' future, oh, that's policy and that can't be done through reconciliation. So from my standpoint, it's a crazy ruling. But in terms of where the one big beautiful bill stands, I mean, so again, that's a real blow to it. But what I have to do is I have to lay out a few numbers just so people understand the

fiscal situation because I think most people admit we have debt and deficit problem but they they do not want to face the depth of it. So here's the depth of it. Prior to the pandemic for seven years our average deficit was six hundred sixty billion dollars. Still way too high the six hundred sixty billion dollars. Then of course you had pandemic and a massive bipartisan spending spree. Any rational president, any rational party in power would have said, OK, that was a one year aberration.

We have to return to pre-pandemic levels. It's not what Biden and the Democrats did. They averaged deficits of $1.9 trillion for the next four years. We went from $4.4 trillion of spending to $6.5 for COVID and never looked back. This year we spent $7 trillion, next year about 7.3.

It's 58% increase. So that's where we are today. The CBO baseline and people can quibble how they score things, but their baseline estimates are as good as anybody's guess, projects 10-year deficits to $21.1 trillion, and that's assuming about a $3 to $4 trillion increase in tax revenue from letting the tax cuts expire. So that goes from $21.1 trillion to about $24 trillion, right? So that's the score of the one

big beautiful bill. $24 trillion of deficits over the next 10 years, $2.4 trillion off of an average prior to the pandemic of $660 billion. So that's what I'm just not willing to accept as a new normal. And as much as I appreciate what the House did, I agree with most of what they've done in the One Big Beautiful bill. It just doesn't do enough. And now the Senate parliamentarian is kicking off, kicking out some of the things the House did. So it's even more meager in terms of responding to the enormous debt invested issue we have.

So that's where we're at. We're trying to clean up an enormous mess by Democrats. It's really hard to do. And we're seeing exactly how hard it is to do. Okay, let's take this piece by piece. I wanna start with the parliamentarian. The parliamentarian is an unelected official who's making these calls.

Her name is Elizabeth McDonough. She was appointed to that role by Harry Reid. So if I'm putting the pieces together, Harry Reid, a Harry Reid appointee is meddling with the legislation in order to make it even less palatable for your vote right now? Well, she also meddled with the legislation in order to make it even less palatable for your vote right now? Well, she also meddled with the Democrats reconciliation bill, didn't allow them to

increase the minimum wage and other things as well. So, as I've seen her over the last 15 years, she seems to be pretty even-handed. Again, I don't have a massive complaint. I have a complaint about just the rules and how stupid so many of them are, but this is a real head scratcher right here. It's like she's allowed increased spending, but now she won't let us to decrease spending. And again, we just haven't had a brief from our leadership. I don't know what the arguments were made,

exactly what this ruling means. Wanna sort that out before I comment further. But she's not the last word on this though, is she? Because obviously she's not. It's up to the leadership in the Senate whether or not they take her seriously. John Thune and the leaders, they can override her if they wanted to, couldn't they?

And so what I'm confused by is why John Thune weeks ago took that off the table. Over three weeks ago now, he said, that's not going to happen. Before we had even heard from her, why would he do that? So one thing Republicans are pretty unanimous in is we do not want to eliminate the filibuster in the Senate. The filibuster has prevented us from being a socialist nation. Now we would have been decades ago had Democrats been able to just, you know, bowl things through

with simple majority. So that recognition of minority rights has kept government from growing faster than it already has. So we don't want to see the elimination of the filibuster even though it frustrates what we want to do as well. That's why John Thune said that. We wouldn't have the votes to do it. So again, I understand the president has railed against this. I know members of the House want us to do it.

I guess I just say we're a little more level headed, recognizing what the ramifications that might be long-term. Okay. All right, so let me go back to your conversations with the White House and how we might be able to cut this spending. I totally agree with you that we need to get back to, at the very least, pre-COVID levels of spending. It's absurd that we're still at COVID levels.

And we need to get rid of this $37 trillion of debt. It's pressing. But as you know, we're in the midst of a home invasion of our country right now that needs to be resolved. And this big, beautiful bill contains the means to eject these illegal foreign nationals with a lot more haste than we're seeing at the moment, which is one of the many reasons this bill is great in my view. Sir, is it is it

possible to achieve the spending cuts that you're asking for correctly outside of the big beautiful bill? In other words, the big beautiful bill should only be a piece of getting control of this government. Can't we use other means, including rescissions, to get the government spending under control? We can in bits and pieces. So again, you can't do it all within reconciliation because all you can deal with then is mandatory spending. But we have a trillion dollars of other mandatory spending, not social security, not Medicare, not even Medicaid,

a trillion dollars. We are spending, I think the number is $239 billion more in other mandatory than we spent in 2019, completely plused up for population growth inflation. And that's $239 billion that we haven't even looked at. The House didn't look at it. We just haven't looked at it. And we should look at it. Okay? But no, this is hard work. It's going to take rescissions. It's going to take probably continuing resolutions. The Democrats aren't going to pass appropriation bills unless we dramatically increase spending. Again, our problem is it's easy to be a Democrat.

It's easy to spend money we don't have. It's easy to mortgage your kid's future, particularly when the media doesn't hold you accountable. They wipe your fingerprints clean of the messes that you create. It's just really hard to rein that all back in. But we have to. But no, this is going to be a tough slog. And one of my biggest problems with the One Big Beautiful bill is it's structured right now. It's a one and done.

It basically used up all of our leverage we would have to get our big spenders in our party to come back to the table and reduce spending further. So if you extend the current tax law, if you take care of salt, if you take death ceiling off the table, if you give President Trump all of his priorities and new tax cuts and all, and plus there's a lot of little ornaments on this tree. There's a lot of other little goodies that increase the deficit. When you give everybody all those things, this is it. This is our one opportunity. And our one opportunity right now according to CBO

takes our average deficit from 2.1 trillion dollars up to 2.4 and find the administration can say well we're gonna have 3 trillion dollars of tariff revenue. Okay that brings us back to 2.1 trillion dollar deficits. Again you have to even the White House memo. This is in my 30 page report where I lay out all these scenarios. Even the White House memo, which is a pretty, I would call rosy scenario, the one big beautiful bill says the average deficit, so the next 10 years

would be 18.6 or 1.86 trillion dollars per year, just slightly under Biden's level. Again, I cannot accept that as the new normal. And it is disappointing to me that so many of my fellow colleagues are willing to accept that. Okay, but I wanna dwell on rescissions for a moment because I do feel like the way rescissions is being talked about right now is as if it's just like

a petty cash thing, it's a very small way to cut some spending, but most of it has to be done in some other means. The reason why, as far as I can tell, rescission is such an important power is because it doesn't have a filibuster blocking it. It's a simple majority vote in the United States Senate. The president can present cuts that he wants made to spending, and then Congress can pass it by simple majority.

That sounds like an awesome superpower that doesn't require any negotiation with Democrats whatsoever. And right now there's a $9 billion starter cut package before the United States Senate. It hasn't been voted on yet. It's supposed to be voted supposedly in mid-July. But is this, Senator Johnson, like a real deal vehicle to cut some massive spending? It certainly feels like it could be. It is, and quite honestly a lot of us have been pressing the administration to set up more rescission packages for more dollar amounts. I have no idea why we haven't already passed this

in the Senate. I really couldn't answer that question. I will say one problem with rescissions is only for one year. So you can rescind the spending for this year but then looking ahead to next year again I don't believe the Democrats are going to engage in appropriation process that will control spending so we'll probably have to operate in a continuing resolution. Even that's going to be difficult to pass. You won't be able to pass it if you include the rescissions in the continuing resolution. So again, it's a one-year temporary reduction spending. And that's why the reconciliation process is important, because now you're addressing things

like other mandatory spending, you can make changes to the Obamacare portion of Medicaid, which puts at risk Medicaid for the disabled children that are truly vulnerable. We can repeal that portion of Obamacare. But again, we've got Republican members who vowed to repeal Obamacare, who are not willing to do the same thing with the Obamacare addition to Medicaid because it's going to harm their

states. Because the states have taken that Obamacare addition and they've gained the system. They're sucking down federal revenue because you have a nine-to-one match in Medicaid for single able-bodied, working-aged, childless adults. So for every dollar we spend on a disabled child, the state spends on a disabled child, the federal government on average kicks in at about $33.

For every dollar the state spends on a single, able-bodied, working-aged, childless adult, we kick in $9, which is why states have ramped up things like provider taxes, provider fees. That's not healthcare. But the federal government kicks in $9 for every $1 the state chips in on provider taxes. I mean, it's a total scam. It's a total legal fraud. And we're apparently going to let that happen because states have structured their budget around that scam. Hospitals have structured their budgets around that scam. Everybody eats that free federal money, continue to flow,

and we don't have enough Republican colleagues that are willing to, you know, get a spine and just say, no, this is fraud. This is legalized stealing. And we're not willing to do that, unfortunately. And now the parliamentarians said even what meager steps we took in that direction can't be included in reconciliation. So yeah, I don't know how we sort that out. You're very right about that.

But sir, are you gonna allow your legitimate concerns about spending stop the ability to get 20 million illegals out of the country and stop the permanence of the Trump tax cuts, because if these tax cuts expire this year, that means a 22% raise on America's taxes on average. Are you gonna allow your concerns about spending to stop that? If it were up to me, that would have already been done.

And that's what the Senate would have done. We would have done a couple of bills. I always said three, hand of the border defense, take $850 billion in real spending reductions. Step one, step two, extend current tax law, take that automatic tax increase off the table, then come back and do this really difficult, complex, one big, beautiful bill.

We should have already done that. We could have already done that. That's not the decision that was made. So now we're dealing with this and it's a mess. It's a mess. So maybe we'll have to skinny it all up again, go back to the Senate proceeding. I'd be fully supportive of that. That may be where this is heading, quite honestly. And I totally support that. Okay. And then if you do make dramatic changes in the Senate, which of course even the parliamentarian is doing it as we speak, what are the chances that it then passes through the House? Because

obviously it passed on a slim margin to begin with. That's the math that needs to be in your mind as well, right? Well, my business career, I've dealt with the KISS principle, right? Keep it simple. So I think the simpler we make this, the easier it's gonna be able to pass because if you hold out,

okay, this is for sure just a first step. It's not a one and done. There's a lot more we have to do. Keep it, well, pass the things that must be passed. Do it now. And then because, because the parliamentarian, because we haven't come to terms with these things, because we're not addressing the problem, come back and do that later. We've got plenty of opportunities. This is, we're using the fiscal 2025 reconciliation process. We can have three separate bills even in that, but then you've got fiscal year 2026. We should be arguing over their appropriations right now. So we've got reconciliation for them as well.

So again, this is eminently doable. My advice, let's skin this thing up. Let's make it simple. Let's get this passed. Let's start coming back. And now that we've gone through this process, seeing what we can do in reconciliation, what we can't do, what we can modify, let's take another bite of this apple in a few months. Okay. And, Senator Johnson, finally, I know the president wants to have this thing passed by Independence Day. You've indicated publicly that you think that that's unlikely. Can you tell us what your conversation was like

with the president? What is he saying to you? And where are the two of you in the subject? Very cordial. Listen, I truly like the president. I keep telling people, anytime to spend that anybody that spends any time with the president cannot not like him.

It's just true. I mean, the guy is charming. He's funny. He's engaging. I totally sympathize with how difficult his job is. I told him I don't want to make it any harder. I'm so concerned about the mortgage of our kids future, so is he. He's in a slightly different position. You know, he just wants to sing past. Our leaders are in slightly different position. I'm in

a position to try and demand more. He realizes I'm trying, you know, he said he wanted the Senate to make the bill better. I want to make it much better. The parliamentarian just made a lot worse. So again, that's the reality situation. But the good news is, you know, we respect each other. I want to see him succeed. I want to see America succeed. I am so glad he's president. I told him that in terms of the decision he made, the tough decision to strike Iran. That was the right decision. Made the world safer. God bless him for doing it. So again, just very pleasant, enjoyable hour and a half meeting with the president in the Oval Office with myself, eventually Mike Lee and Rick Scott joining us. We're kind of the problem children right now, but not really because he recognizes

we just want to help him and America succeed. Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin, you're always in the middle of it all. So thank you for spending some time with us today, sir. Appreciate you for that. Have a great day. You too, there he is. Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin right now,

who is one of the obstacles at the moment for the big, beautiful bill to pass, at least in the short term. He clearly wants spending cuts, clearly. You heard him say it the whole conversation. I can't agree more with the need to rein in the federal government, but as I mentioned, I do think that there's a way to do this

that's not all contained with the big, beautiful bill. This of course is the conversation that you and I have been having for the entire existence of this big beautiful bill. Those rescissions matter. And the White House has sent over a nine billion dollar package that cuts NPR and USAID and PBS. And it passed out of the House, albeit it took slower. It was slower than I wanted it to be by the time it passed out of the house. And now the United States Senate has to consider it. And John Thune has put the brakes on that thing

until apparently after the big, beautiful bill is passed. But it's such an easy test. Can you cut $9 billion in spending that everybody agrees should be cut? Or at least normal people agree should be cut. While these guys debate the big, beautiful bill, I think John Thune should have jumped the line with this and just said, yeah, let's cut that spending.

Let's knock that out right now. But he didn't, but he didn't. What the hell's going on? How is this like pulling teeth to get even the most measly amount of spending cuts? So in that sense, I share Ron Johnson's distaste for Congress's behavior, which is like, hey, cut some spending. But here's priority one for me. We're in the midst, as I just said to the senator,

we're in the midst of a home invasion right now. We're in the midst of a full-blown home invasion of our country. And so, again, you can sit around the table and talk about the massive debt that your family's in, but if people start smashing through your doors, you gotta get to work. You gotta lock down your home again. And that's where we are as a country. So I hope whatever it takes to get this thing across the finish line is achieved. I hope Ron Johnson can be a yes vote on this.

I hope all these guys could be yes votes on this in order to get this passed, because this is the agenda that we all voted for, right? This is the president's agenda contained in that one big, beautiful bill. And I get it, Ron Johnson has some other ideas on ways this can be done, but it's a Senate, right? It's a House, it's a Congress,

where all these guys have to work together and cobble together the way that it can actually get out the door. So we'll see. So our thanks to Senator Ron Johnson for coming on and talking to this audience. It's, you know, not a small thing. And we're very grateful for that.

Okay, let me see. I've got an update for you on President AutoPen that I wanna get to. We've got, earlier this week, one of the President Biden's top officials by the name of Neera Tanden, testified to the House Oversight Committee about what was going on while Joe Biden was in office

and who was actually running the show. And Neera Tanden admitted this week that she was wielding the auto pen, that it was her, that she was, quote, authorized to make decisions about the use of the auto pen and She claims in the midst of all of this that you know There was middlemen who were telling her to use it and she wasn't talking to the president directly Okay, so what you're revealing to us near a tandem is

That Biden wasn't even directly involved in auto pen decisionmaking. You weren't even talking to him about this. You were just signing documents with his name on them, and Biden wasn't even actively engaged. We've got a huge problem on our hands here. You've got a huge problem on your hands, Neera Tanden, given what you did. Signing legislation, signing pardons, signing executive orders with the same robotic

signature over and over and over again. This is a full-blown constitutional crisis. Here's the video. ...gently lying to the American people about the condition of the president of the United States, which went on for four years in this country by all of your colleagues. That is totally wrong. That is totally wrong. That is totally wrong. I would just say Joe Biden... I hope you read all the books that are coming out. I hope you read all the books that are coming out. Joe Biden, when asked about soldiers lost, was briefed and cited. And so you think Joe Biden had problems?

At least he was able to do that. What's the excuse for Donald Trump if he's so capable? I'm just saying. I don't know if you're a judge. If you're a judge. I want to get more facts, and I'm going to be lectured by the people who lied to the American people about the condition of the president. Oh my God.

Oh my God. No way. No, but that's, first of all, that's outrageous. Is it? That's outrageous. Yes, it is. I did not lie. You think the truth was told?

I will say. Did the White House tell the truth? Liar. I will look forward to this discussion. Do you all believe the truth was told about Biden? Scott, do you want government or do you want your licked back? Because even if all of that happened in the past, we're in the president now. So we have to, we need a president that is capable of...

And so what he said, I don't know. What, did it hurt your life that he said, I don't know? You can't say things like Biden did it, Biden did it. Sure, I can. Of course I can. You can't have cried that for four years. I absolutely can. When he's made the country move, I 100% can. Yeah, all right. So you got an entire panel of crazy people.

But that was earlier this year. Scott Jennings once again, Leonidas and the Hot Gates just defending, in the country of the movement. I 100% can. Yeah, all right. So you get an entire panel of crazy people. But that was earlier this year. Scott Jennings once again, Leonidas and the Hot Gates just defending, you know, just battling everybody all at once. But among them, that woman, Neera Tanden, who you heard there, she's saying like, oh, there's no evidence that Biden was non-compassmentist. Yeah, there was a mountain of evidence and you were a part of the cover up. And now we find out that Neera Tanden was operating the auto pen in lieu of Joe Biden

even doing the job. All right. So that's the revelation this week. Now, we are supposed to get a bunch more testimony from Biden officials one by one appearing before the House Oversight Committee in order to tell something to these members of Congress behind closed doors about the way this was all going down. I've got an update, though. After Neera Tanden's disastrous testimony for the Biden people, you know where she admitted that Joe Biden wasn't involved in the

auto pen and that she was wielding it herself, suddenly Jill Biden, Dr. Jill, Dr. Jill, Jill Biden's work husband, that's who this guy is known as, her senior advisor, Anthony Bernal, who was supposed to testify today, Thursday, he has suddenly called off his testimony. Not gonna do it. Anthony Bernal, the Daily Caller reports here, senior advisor to Jill Biden, has refused to testify

in the House Oversight Committee's investigation now in the former President Biden's cognitive decline. Bernal is refusing to appear for today, that June 26 interview, as a part of the House Oversight Committee's investigation into Biden's mental decline. He's running scared, the Oversight Committee says. The cover-up is collapsing. We will subpoena him. Good.

I don't know why they didn't start with subpoenas. Why are we playing nice with these guys? They covered up the president's inability to think in order to seize power from him and conduct a constitutional crisis. You think these guys are gonna be doing this in good faith? And then they watched as Neera Tanden comes waltzing into the congressional hearing thinking that she's gonna talk her way out of it. And by the way, the White House, this White House, this White House,

God bless him, waved executive privilege and said, you don't get to claim that, you don't get to claim that from the Biden era. Sorry, no executive privilege for you, said the Trump administration. So Neera Tanden was left with nothing but having to answer those questions under oath this week. And boy, did she reveal some crap.

She revealed it. And now Anthony Bernal not showing up. Comer, James Comer, sharply criticized Bernal on Wednesday for refusing to appear before the committee, accusing him of avoiding accountability now that his executive privilege has been waived. That's right, the White House waived his executive privilege too. It's abundantly clear that Jill Biden's so-called work husband never, never intended to appear to be transparent about Joe Biden's cognitive decline in the ensuing cover up. With no privilege

left behind, Mr. Bernal is now running scared, desperate to bury the truth. The American people deserve answers and accountability. You're damn right, James Comer. Accountability is the word that I'm obsessed with, that the chat's obsessed with, that every listener to this program is obsessed with. I am done with strongly worded reports and letters. I'm done with begging and pleading.

I'm done with kindness. All I want are hardcore, criminally enforced subpoenas. And I want consequences for the people who hurt our country. Is that so much to ask? Is it so much to ask that we restore justice to a country that once had it? That's what we want back. Yes, Sreev One Ram says enough of the lip service.

Everybody here, accountability. And then E. Duncan 16 says Joe Biden is a cuck. Joe Biden's being cuckolded, apparently by the work husband, Anthony Bernal. That's the suggestion there. That's an amusing comment on which to go out. Hey, thank you for joining us here. I've got, of course, so much more to do. We've got another big show tomorrow for you right here on Vince.

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