The Dan Bongino Show - The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 03/06/22

Episode Date: March 6, 2022

First up today is an interview with Victor Davis Hanson. We got his thoughts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what he thinks may happen, and what our response should be. Then Dr. Peter McCullough brought to light information about the Pfizer vaccine and what it MAY be able to do in your body. Finally Sebastian Gorka came on to talk to us about the crisis in Ukraine and the feckless Biden administration. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcoming back, well, not back, for the first time to the show. I interviewed this gentleman once before when I used to guest host at WMAL. So welcoming back to the Dan Bogino Show, just not this one, Victor Davis Hanson. Thanks for spending some time with us. We appreciate it. Thank you for having me, Dan. Sure, and you can check him out at victorhansen.com

for his writings, his books. They're terrific. Sir, first question for you today. You know, the variables here, as I've been discussing in my first hour of the show, are nearly endless, and the problem we have is there's a certain predictability that's gone out the

window with Vladimir Putin. I mean, even for an international despot like Kim Jong-un, we can generally figure out what he's not going to do. It appears right now with Putin that that's getting more difficult. I mean, a lot of people with a lot of experience in the region seem to think he wouldn't invade outside of eastern Ukraine and did it anyway. Do you see him as being irrational or unpredictable, or do you have a different viewpoint on that i have a little different i think he's pretty predictable i think the only thing that was unexpected is that the initial 48 hours or three days even he didn't use the full extent of his power to crush the Ukrainian resistance. He underestimated. He thought it would be analogous to eastern Ukraine or Crimea or Georgia, where it was pretty

easy. But I think the way he figures is that he's going to pour in everything he has and crush the Ukrainians. And then a month from now, when you or I talk to people, we won't remember the initial difficulty. We'll only be supposedly, in his mind, impressed by Russian power and decisiveness. And this will send a signal to everybody in the former Soviet Union that are not part of Mother Russia that this was a lesson. And I think he, he, so he underestimated the resistance and the underestimated NATO coming together and the flip-flop of Germany. But in his mind, he still thinks it's not, you know, it's not hopeless. He's going to win. And then in his real politic world, savage world,

only all that matters is winning. And nobody will care about the details, how he won or the difficulty, how he won a year from now, a month from now. So I'm kind of skeptical of all these people who are, you know, rallying and saying, I wish it were true. But they're saying, oh, he's going to lose and he's going to there's going to be a coup and they're going to get rid of him. And he's destroyed the economy. That could happen. But for the short term, at least, if he wins with this renewed use of power, in his calculations, he can still salvage the whole Ukrainian project.

I hope he doesn't, but that's how I think he thinks. And that's kind of predictable, I think. We're talking to Victor Davis Hanson. You can check out his writings and his work at VictorHanson.com. So what do you make of his escalating nuclear rhetoric? You think it's a bluff? I mean, again, a lot of folks miscalculated with a lot of experience dealing with the region who thought, as I said before, he would just stick with the eastern region of Ukraine and not go any further. That clearly was not the case. You know, given a Black Swan event like a nuclear attack, it's not the type of thing we can just cast off and disregard.

Your take on why he's escalating the nuclear rhetoric? Oh, I think he realizes that in every incursion, invasion, the key to whether you win or lose are borders. And we lost in Vietnam because of the Ho Chi Minh Trail in the Southeast Asia supply depots. We had a tough time. We really lost in Afghanistan because of the Pakistan border and Iraq, Syria and Iran. Anytime you have that fluidity and you can be resupplied, you're not going to win. And he's looking at the statistics. It's in the many thousands now of javelins and SAMs that have been sent in there. And you look at that picture of that convoy. And in theory, those javelins, the new improved can hit something at over two miles. And the guy could be in the forest

beyond the, you know, the flanking infantry guards of that convoy and take out a lot of vehicles if they have that many of them. So he's thinking, well, I've got to get this over with and when, and these people, we've got four NATO countries that are, that are going to stop me. And so I'm going to threaten a nuclear strike on the West or, but I, when you look, you know, people have remarked about the look of his generals when he said that. I don't know if that's indicative of anything, but I think there are.

Yeah, I don't either. I think that was more propaganda than anything. I mean, you don't know what they were thinking. The guy could have just got out of his kid's birthday party and had a funky look on his face. No, I agree with you. Sorry. Go ahead.

Didn't mean to interrupt you there. Yeah. Well, I just think there's certain things I wish we didn't do. You remember the hot mic in Seoul, South Korea in March of 2012? And I really wish Obama hadn't have had that quid pro quo where we dismantled missile defense. Ostensibly, it was to protect Eastern Europe against Iran. But right now, if we had a joint missile defense to hit missiles on their initial trajectory in Eastern Europe, that would have been a deterrent. We just gave that up for nothing.

I shouldn't say nothing. We gave it up for Obama's request to have flexibility in space so that after he could get reelected, then I guess he was saying that Putin could do what he wanted, but not in 2012. And he was willing to dismantle what had been a pretty good project that had just started to begin. But I think we have enough deterrence. U.S. nuclear strategic doctrine is a little different. We have the ability and accuracy and multiplicity of platforms that the Russians, as the the Soviets knew that we could take a first strike and they could not. So I think the generals will tell him, if you were to be so stupid to send a missile or a lot of them to take out American sites, they have the ability to wipe us off the

map. And that's not counting the 250 or 300 nukes at France and the UK have. So I don't think it's a serious threat. But anytime you even mention that, you've got to take it seriously. Yeah, yeah. You know, for all the conversation Nassim Taleb sparks online, his book, The Black Swan, woke me up to that fact. You know, if someone told you, oh, don't worry, there's only a one in 100 chances plane's going to crash. You know, you're not going to get on the plane, right? I mean, yeah, maybe a black swan event.

But the consequences of the wrong decision are terminal. It's death. So I agree with you on that. You know, one of the things that's frustrated me, and I always eagerly look forward to your appearances on Tucker Carlson's show, is you have this just almost unparalleled ability. I don't see another commentator out there outside of maybe Thomas Sowell to get into the mind of the left and what they're doing and explain it in common sense terms.

What I find puzzling amongst the left, where even the European Greens are waking up now, Victor, is this energy suicide pact where we're like, amongst the left where even the european greens are waking up now uh victor is uh this this this energy suicide pact where we're like hey listen we're the left we believe in tolerance and all that other cutesy coexist stuff uh but we're gonna let putin invade a neighbor who was you know almost no threat to them at least in the short term uh we yet we claim to believe in human rights when we could have probably done a lot to mitigate the threat if we just would have produced a good amount of energy here, even though we have stricter energy guidelines.

But no, not our left. They turned that over to Putin, enriched him, and really empowered this guy seeking his international hegemony right here. It just seems bizarre. It's almost suicidal. It is. I've had the misfortune for 40 years of having to associate every day with leftists and academia. And I can tell you, as you know, from John Kerry's remark the other day that, I mean, he was completely dense, that he was worried most not about death on a mass scale, but whether climate change talks with Putin would now be sidetracked.

So what I'm getting at is never underestimate the left's arrogance. They really do believe that their eloquence, their mellifluousness, their superior morality, there are no external foreign threats. You can always talk and sway and persuade a Putin. to Putin. And I know that that sounds crazy, but it's borne out by facts, because if you think of everything that we did to appease Putin, it was all from the left. It was the Russian reset. It was use of Russian sources to create the Steele dossier. It was Uranium One. It was getting Bill Clinton to go to Moscow paying $500,000. It was the Hunter Biden consortium going to Russia, Ukraine, China. It was the massive donations from Russian sources to the Clinton Foundation. And it was all predicated on, we're going to go over there with our Harvard and Yale degrees and really tell these russians that it's

in their interest to be nice to us and to create an ecumenical global vision and that's what they think and then the green thing they never even think of the strategic or if it's just a minor irritant because if it if it arose and it did they think they could just you know get vladimir and the putin and say let's be flexible vladimir give me some space and that's what they do and they get people killed by that what's interesting is the complete flip-flop of germany so the transfer gets on there and it's like we're going to be an arm now we're going to meet more than our two percent we're going to give weapons which we never have to a third party we're going to give weapons, which we never have, to a third party. We're going to

start building conventional power plants. And what that reflected was that everything that they have said for the last 20 years against all that, against conventional energy, against the 2% goal in NATO, against NATO itself, against the United States. They knew it was never really valid because they just abandoned it all without any apology to us. They never said, we're sorry that we demonized you for enforcing the 2%. We're sorry that we said you were always a warmonger when you gave weapons to third party. We're sorry when you said that the pipeline was bad and you sanctioned it. And so you can see that the left has been, gosh, they've been repudiating. I think here they're in full panic because this Ukrainian thing and the flip-fl giving him petrodollars by spiking the world price,

for making us vulnerable, for making Europe vulnerable. That whole ideology has done this. And when you think of the corollaries to it, that only 45 percent, Dan, have confidence now, according to a recent poll in the U.S. military. And that's because of Afghanistan, and that's because of the wokeness and Milley and Austin and their obsessions with white anger. And what they've done is the left is they've removed the deterrence of the U.S. military, and then we have to throw in, you know, Biden with Afghanistan and telling the hackers in Russia, lay off 16 sites, otherwise go ahead,

and begging Putin to produce oil. So it's a left. They own this. They own the lack of deterrence. They own the green suicidal policies, and they don't know what to do. And now they're reduced to the ridiculous. They're actually blaming Donald Trump. They say between 2017 and 20. they're reduced to the ridiculous. They're actually blaming Donald Trump. They say between 2017 and 20. It's true. He didn't go into anywhere, but Putin did because he got everything from Donald Trump. He wanted the white bow in. And I'm thinking, wow, they really like Trump killing mercenaries. They really like Trump crashing world prices, increasing the defense budget, you name it, getting out of a missile deal with them. It's absurd, but that's what they're reduced to because they're desperate. Yeah. What about the Open Skies Treaty? You know, Trump pulled out of that, too.

The Russians wanted that. That wasn't benefiting us anymore. That was that. That was Trump. Victor, I got to run, unfortunately, but I so deeply appreciate you coming on. I really look forward to your appearances on cable news. Thanks a lot for your time today. We appreciate it. Thanks, Dan. You got it. Folks, you can check him out at victorhansen.com,

and I strongly encourage you to do so. You won't see a large group of people out there have the ability he does to get inside the mind of the left. Jim, wouldn't you agree? I know you love VDH there. That's our first time. We got to get him back sometime. Let's line him up for round two if we can. That was Victor Davis Hanson

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So, doctor, I read this study. I saw it on your social media feed about the intracellular reverse transcription of the Pfizer COVID-19 mRNA vaccine. Can you explain to us in layman's terms what this means? Can you explain to us in layman's terms what this means? It sounds to me like our bodies could be incentivized to produce this spike protein a lot longer than anticipated. And if true, that could cause a lot of complications. Am I wrong? That's true. on this is that a lab in Sweden now has found the cell line that, indeed, a lot of this has to do with laboratory technique, the cell line that has demonstrated the fact that the vaccines now in the cytoplasm, basically in the area where the messenger RNA should be transcribed in order to produce the spike protein, that in fact it sits there long

enough for DNA to be laid down against the RNA and that DNA moves into the nucleus of the cell. And with that, it's found in the nucleus and it's coding for the spike protein. Now, we don't know if it's actually physically changing the chromosomes permanently, but many believe that that is circumstantial evidence that that's happening. Now there's going to be a really hot and heavy investigation to see whether or not these vaccines, in fact, permanently change chromosomes, and if this is the case, is spike protein going to be produced long-term? Does any other vaccine, we're talking to Dr. Peter McCullough, does any other vaccine do that, lead to long-term chromosomal changes

that you're aware of? Or is this new technology the first one to your knowledge? It's new technology and that's the consequences of using new technology in a widespread vaccine program is these things cannot be assessed ahead of time in enough preclinical studies. Now, the respiratory illness itself has been shown, particularly in severe cases where there's prolonged exposure to have some reverse transcription. We don't know what the implications are. When you get a natural viral infection, some of it can incorporate it in your own DNA. It's called the HERV region. And you may know this because if you get chickenpox, the virus doesn't install. And later on in life, you can get shingles, which is the varicella zoster virus coming back out.

The same thing is true with Epstein-Barr virus. You get a permanent install. But with a vaccine, there's just under no circumstances would we want to see evidence of a permanent install, particularly on production of a protein, which is pathogenic. A doctor, we're talking to Dr. Peter McCullough about a troubling new study. Once we hang up, I'll show you folks where you can read it for yourself. For a guy like me who's recently, hopefully, recovered from lymphoma, I'm in remission now, and my wife, who has an autoimmune disorder herself and lupus, if that turns out to be the case, and I understand it's a preliminary study, you were very cautious in your approach to it as well, but if it turns out that we are producing spike proteins long term,

what could that mean for people with autoimmune difficulties and people with various types of cancers, blood cancers and immune system cancers? I think it's going to be a matter of degree. If it's one or two shots and it's a mosaic of cells and there isn't much passage to daughter cells, you know, this thing can in a sense burn itself out or be cleared out over time. Bruce Patterson, who leads a company called InCellDx, doing terrific work, he's formerly a professor at Northwestern and Stanford, he's actually shown in the respiratory illness that the spike protein is in the body a long time, up to 15 months in CD16 positive monocytes. And I did

have him on my show, and I asked him about what is he seeing in vaccinated people. And, in fact, he does have samples. He's seen both the S1 and the S2 segment of the spike protein in humans after vaccination as long as he's observed them. So for a month, and I asked him, I said, can you predict how long it's in the body? He said, probably over a year. You know, SARS-CoV-2, the virus, and then the spike protein installed in the body with vaccination, it has a persistence in the body. That's the reason why people feel bad. There's a long COVID syndrome. And I asked him, is there any other

infection that's similar to this? He said, yeah, there is. I said, what is it? He said, Lyme disease. Lyme disease does an install of the organism called Borrelia burgdorferi. It takes forever to clear out Lyme. That's the reason why people get this post-Lyme syndrome. So I think people who are immune deficient, people with lymphoma, they've had chemotherapy or radiation, or they have other autoimmune illnesses, this could be a problem. And I think doctors will have to keep a careful watch on organ systems that could be involved, including the bone marrow measures of the immune system, brain and heart.

And let's hope for the best. But none of this is adding up to having people get enrolled in a periodic booster program. I think that could be trouble. Doc, do you have time for one more question? I know, I know you're, you're crunched for time. You're seeing patients. One more and we'll let you go. This is a, this is where I'm having a hard time reconciling. This is a, again, a non-medical professional like yourself. If the, if this research turns out to be accurate in vivo and we start getting say liver samples from, from people and starts to show that yes spike proteins are being pumped out for a longer term than anticipated then how is it

that the vaccine's effectiveness is waning so poorly in other words if it's pumping out these spike proteins that are supposed to be recognized as and by our bodies as foreign invaders then and we're producing antibodies and why is the, you get what I'm saying? Like it's producing these spike proteins, but it's not doing what it's supposed to do. Doesn't seem to make sense. It would seem to be zero-sum here. One would take away from the other.

That's a brilliant observation. So your question is, you know, if we're being presented with this antigen all the time, why don't we have these rock and rolling antibodies, right? Why do they trail off? In a paper by Israel, done in Israel as the first author, they showed a 40% drop off per month of these antibodies after the vaccine. It must be, and I think Bruce Patterson is right on this, it must be that the body is concealing the spike protein as an antigen because your white blood

cells, your monocytes and macrophages are trying to gobble up the spike protein. So in a sense, you're sequestering it away from antigenic presentation, but yet you're stuck with this over time. So let's hope that it's not a chronic stimulus for blood clots. It's not a chronic stimulus for myocarditis or heart inflammation that evolves over time or bleeding disorders like vaccine-induced thrombocytopenic purpuria. And let's hope that it's not a stimulus for cancer. And the first cancer data was presented out of the Department of Defense epidemiologic database, DMED, and that was at the January 24th Senate hearings, where it's just epidemiological, but there has been a market increase in cancer among our service people right now, year on year,

since the vaccines have been rolled out. And this is part of the problem when we get into a very accelerated course of approval and get a product out into widespread use without its study. This type of program should have had years and years of study because it's new genetic technology. Dr. Peter McCullough, I can't thank you enough. I go to your social media feed for accurate science-based data, and I really appreciate you not being intimidated by people trying to shut you down for speaking the truth. So thanks for spending some time with us during your extremely busy workday. Thanks a lot. Okay. Thanks, Dan. Bye. That was an incredible interview with Dr. Peter McCullough. Up next, we talk with Sebastian Gorka. But first... Take back your free time with PC

Express Online grocery delivery and pickup. Score in-store promos, PC Optimum points, and more free time. And still get groceries. Shop now at pcexpress.ca. Here's Sebastian Gorka from the radio show last week about the crisis in Ukraine and the feckless Biden administration. All right, welcoming back to the show, a guy who I trust and value his opinion a lot,

especially on national security matters, former assistant to President Trump, a man you know well, Sebastian Gorka. Sebastian, thank you very much for spending some time with us. We appreciate it. I'm honored, Dan. It's a real pleasure to be on your show. I know it's sad that you're not with us on Salem, but you're keeping millions of people every day. So thank you, Dan, for what you do. Oh, thanks, buddy. If you want to learn more about Sebastian and his content, read his content over there. Seb Gorka dot com, Seb Gorka dot com. Check it out.

So, Sebastian, obviously a somber day woke up this morning. I think we all expected it, but a lot of folks, me included, expected a limited incursion into eastern Ukraine, not what appears to be now a full-scale invasion from the north, from the south. It appears they took power plants. It appears they're taking the airport now in Kiev. This looks to be a full-scale invasion. Your opinion, you're a national security expert, worked in the White House with President Trump. Do you think he plans on occupying Ukraine?

And I can't imagine that works out well for him. This is a rather large country. It is a large country, and it has a great tradition, after it was swallowed up, of fighting the Soviets for years and years in the forest. So I'm not worried about the Ukrainians taking the fight in internal guerrilla warfare to the Soviet invaders or the Russian invaders today. But yes, no, he has really jumped the shark, to use the vernacular, when he gave that verbal diarrhea of a fake history lesson just a couple of days ago. He said, well, you know, Ukraine never been an independent country. It's always been part of Russia. And the scary thing is, Dan, that he has done exactly the

same thing over the years with the Baltic states and even Poland. So this is an individual who has said publicly on more than one occasion that the greatest geostrategic tragedy, quote-unquote, of the 20th century was the loss of the Soviet Union. So in some delusional, deranged fashion, this is his attempt to try and piece it back together through the use of force. We're talking to Sebastian Gorka. You can check him out at sebgorka.com. Good man, good friend, folks. We've got to support our guys

who are in this fight to win. Sebastian, you just brought up something about the Baltic states and obviously NATO members in the region. You know, there were some reports earlier of Putin's forces hitting Snake Island, which is an island closer to Romania, candidly, than it is Ukraine,

although Ukraine had an outpost out there, which had the Romanians on high alert. You know, again, I'm putting myself in the camp that would have never seen him attacking a NATO country. Ukraine, of course, not being a NATO. I really thought it would be a limited incursion to the east. Do you see him doing that? I mean, what's this guy's endgame? I mean, if he hits a NATO country, obviously it triggers Article 5 and puts us in a treaty box that, you know, treaty-wise, at least we're obligated to respond. I cannot predict what a psychotic authoritarian head of state will do. It's hard to get inside that soulless mind. Why?

Well, this is a former KGB colonel. This is an individual who has, you know, assassinated or attempt to assassinate people on foreign soil, such as UK citizens in the Skripal assault. This is a man who kills journalists on his own territory, who criticizes him. But at the end of the day, you know, you're a big film guy, Dan. I love all your culture references, pop culture. You know that scene from The Hunt for Red October where Congressman Fred Thompson is playing the admiral on the aircraft carrier? And Jack Ryan walks out of the XO's office or the admiral's wardroom. And then he looks at his XO and he says, this will get out of hand very, very quickly. I remember that scene well.

You remember that scene? Yeah, of course. That can happen without the calculation of an actual territorial aggression against the NATO nation. Why? The Ukraine already borders NATO nations like Hungary. The concept that this couldn't happen by accident or that Russian troops don't get carried away by themselves. That's why we need strong leadership more than ever. And NATO right now, Dan, is talking about sanctions, sanctions. Sanctions have never stopped Vladimir Putin from doing anything. When we were in the White House, instead of sending socks and blankets

to Kiev, what did we do? We didn't invade Russia. We didn't. We're not, you know, the kinds of interventionists of the neoconservative ilk. We just sent javelin missiles to Ukraine so they could deal with the threat themselves. But what is Biden going to do? This is a man who told us Putin is afraid of me. Really, Joe? I've just listened literally three minutes before I came on. I listened to Boris Johnson and the Labour opposition head in Parliament agree together on how this is egregious and what measures have to be taken. Biden hasn't even spoken yet. Every head of state has given statements. Where is Biden, Dan? Sebastian, that is a wonderful question. And I was following Boris Johnson's comments closely.

Boris Johnson is about 10 degrees hotter on this than Biden. Boris Johnson is saying now that cutting them out of SWIFT, the international payment clearance system, is not off the table. Meanwhile, Biden's dilly-dallying. And he's also saying, hey, our next step is we're not going to let a damn Russian plane land anywhere in the UK. I mean, Biden's got to, I agree with you, we don't have to put our boots on the ground, but you got to do something. I mean, really, don't just sit there playing tiddlywinks. Don't just sit there playing tiddlywinks. Boris has banned all Russian companies from the British financial system.

Think about that. What did Biden do day one? One of his first executive orders was to shut down the XL Keystone pipeline extension. When we were in the White House for the first time in the republic's history, we were a net exporter of energy. The biggest thing we did to hurt Vladimir Putin is become a net exporter of oil and gas. Fracking is being shut down. Excel shut down. Nord Stream was permitted. The Nord Stream pipeline was permitted by Biden. And you know, the strange situation I'm in as a former Secret Service guy, you understand this. I keep getting asked, what would you tell Biden to do right now?

Nothing, because it makes no difference. We need Donald Trump back in the White House. When you have a weak, feckless, senile old man, it doesn't matter what he does, because Putin has got his number. And when you have an elite from Rice to Kamala, the cackler to Biden who detest America, Dan, that's the common issue. They hate America. And that's why they will never do the right thing. And I'm not an interventionist, but here's the lesson for my fellow conservatives, everybody, guys, when a bully go back to the playground,

when you're a kid, when a bully is allowed to get away with bullying, sooner or later, everybody pays the price. Yeah, we're talking to Sebastian Gorka's website, sebgorka.com. Sebastian, you were in the White House with President Trump. You were a national security expert. You taught it. You know, I have a theory here, and listen, you have no obligation whatsoever to agree with me. If you think it's stupid, tell me you will not hurt my feelings. You're certainly a better expert than me on this. But, you know, there's an element of unpredictability that can be strategic when it comes to warfare. I mean, you see it all the time with people like Kim Jong-un and the Iranians who managed to stay in power,

but despite being dramatically weaker than the combined world's military. And the reason is because nobody knows what the hell they're going to do. I mean, they're totally unpredictable. The problem I have with Biden, in contrast to your former boss and our president, Donald Trump, is nobody knew what Donald Trump was going to do.

Remember the Russian mercs he annihilated in the Syrian battlefield? They didn't see that coming, Sebastian. They went through the proper deconfliction and they told the Russians, the Trump administration through Mattis, they said, listen, you get these Russian mercs out of there,

we're going to kill them. And the Russians basically said, ah, go F yourself. You're not going to kill our guys. And you know what we did? We killed them. They killed 90 Russian mercs and 100 others. I mean, listen, I'm not reveling in anyone's death.

I'm just telling you, like no one could predict what this guy was going to do. And you know what Russia did in response to that? Nothing. They did nothing. Now, here's Biden, on the other hand. Not only predictable, but he tells Putin in that dreadful speech, he says, listen, if you invade eastern Ukraine in a minor incursion, we'll all be fighting about what to do, basically. I mean, strategic unpredictability matters, doesn't it? You nailed it.

You absolutely nailed it. It's like Sun Tzu said more than 2,000 years ago. The greatest form of victory is to win without fighting. You have so got to screw with the will of the enemy that they don't know if you're going to go nuclear on their backside think of this he's having a state-like dinner at mar-a-lago with the biggest communist dictator in the world xi jinping and over chocolate cake dance he whispers yeah this is a great way this is a great story i gotta sebastian folks listen to this story he's about to tell you let me prep the battlefield sebastian's about to tell you a story about donald trump he's having dinner at mar-a-lago with xi jinping when he's president to tell you. Let me prep the battlefield. Sebastian's about to tell you a story about Donald Trump.

He's having dinner at Mar-a-Lago with Xi Jinping when he's president. Tell everybody what happened. This is the best story. So they've had the dinner in the beautiful Mar-a-Lago club where the president lives. They've served this amazing, the best chocolate cake in the world, Dad. He just threw the interpreter, leans over to Xi Jinping and says, oh, by the way, I just dropped 52 cruise missiles on Assad's head because he was going to use chemical weapons again in Syria. And I can't, you know, I have my TS clearances. I had them back then.

I can tell you, Dan, I saw the intel. He was going to move chemical weapons from that air base in Syria. And we dropped 52 cruise missiles on his head. Not because we're interventionists, not because we talk about invading other countries, but when bad guys do bad things that are unconscionable, we send a message of strength. And that message wasn't just for Xi, that was for Putin, that was for little Kim, that was for the Mullahs. And I can't, you know, he has done other things off the record directly with Vlad to send a very similar message. And I'm so glad you mentioned what you mentioned. Let's be clear that the Russia collusion, really, we almost brought Russia to its knees because of our energy independence. And for the first time in our republic's history, not even the great Ronald Reagan did this. President Trump gave the green light to the sect death to target 200 Russian mercs in Syria who weren't mercs. They were special operators working directly for Vlad. And we gave them a dirt nap, not because he want to invade Syria, because we said you're not going

to mess in the Middle East when I'm the commander in chief. That's leadership. And right now, Biden couldn't do that if his life depended on it, Dan. Yeah, you can't. That's the largest loss of Russian life in American hands in decades. And people forget that story. You know why they forget it? Because the media never told you the story, because it made Trump look tough on Russia. So they hit it. That's what happened. Sebastian, last question for you. Talking to Sebastian Gorka, SebGorka.com. I got about two minutes left. You know, one of the lessons learned from the Iraq war I've learned from military strategist friends of mine is never go to war with the United States without nuclear weapons. You basically stand no chance. Do you think in 1994, when Bill Clinton and others around

the world convinced the Ukrainians to give up their nuclear weapons in Budapest. That looks like a mistake now, doesn't it? This is perhaps one of the most tragic aspects of the current situation in America. When we were in the White House, we had a very simple message that we stole from the Marine Corps. No better friend, no worse enemy. After eight years of Obama and Biden treating our friends like Israel as enemies and facilitating our enemies like Iran, giving them $140 billion, we reversed that. And we reversed it in a matter of months. Remember, we took out the ISIS caliphate in five months after Obama said it would be with us for generations. it is possible to reverse this, but not unless we

get engaged. Listen to Dan, get engaged, get politically active. I don't care if it's the local school board or the local, you know, council, the local library council. Get engaged. We can take back America. We did it in Virginia, but it's up to us. In the meantime, Biden is going to drive this issue into the ground, find out more. I've got an exclusive interview with President Trump. It's the first appendix of my book, The War for America's Soul. But guys, it is up to us. When America leads, the world is a safer place. Right now, we are more dangerous globally. The situation is more dangerous than it has been since 1945. And that's on every single person who voted for Biden. Period. End of story. Yeah. Well said. Sebastian Gorka, thank you very

much for your service to the country. Thank you for spending some time with us. We really appreciate it. You too, buddy. God bless you and your listeners. That was our interview with Sebastian Gorka from the radio show last week. Metrolinks and Crosslinks are reminding everyone to be careful as Eglinton Crosstown LRT train testing is in progress. Please be alert as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. You can hear me every weekday across the country in over 300 radio stations. Go to Bongino.com and click on Station Finder to find out where I'm on near you. Thanks for listening. We appreciate it. You just heard Dan Bongino.