The Dan Bongino Show - The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 04/02/23 - John Rich, Father Bob Sirico, Will Cain, Jeff James

Episode Date: April 2, 2023

First up today, we talked with John Rich about his new collaboration with Tom McConald, “The End of the World, and what it’s like to be in the music industry and fight the culture wars. Next, we talked with Father Bob Sirico talking about the moral case for capitalism, and how government is not the entity that can solve all your problems. Then, we talked with Will Cain talking about boxing, baseball, the Trump persecution, and a whole lot more. Finally, here’s Jeff James, a former secret service agent, and an expert on mass shootings. This is really important for you to hear because there are things you can do to help. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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John, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. Hey, Dan, good to be on with you, brother. Yeah, it's good to have you both with us. Yeah, man, no sweat. So we just had the distinct pleasure of listening to the new tune you guys have out. During the break. I took a little break from a regular rotation of tunes that was driving Jim crazy.

So you guys rescued us. I got a sneak peek. The song is awesome. It's called End of the World. So, Tom, you know what? I'll let you take this one first. I'll get to John. What made you guys want to put together this song?

I mean, obviously times are bad, but what was kind of like the road to Damascus moment? You're like, we got to put together a song about this. Yeah, you know, I think that I've sort of, for the past four years, have been making music that sort of goes against the performative wokeness and all the problems that that's causing in the world. And, you know, I'm a big rock and roll fan, and rock and roll's traditionally been about screaming the truth

at the top of your lungs. So I'm trying to adopt a little bit of that and inject it into hip-hop, which is rare in that genre. And I've been a big fan of John for a long time, and he's sort of a disruptor in country music in the same way that i'm a disruptor yeah in the same way that i'm a disruptor in hip-hop so i just figured you know it does anything make more sense than having i came across you tom sorry to interrupt i came across you i guess about a year ago someone sent me one of the pieces you would put together and i thought yeah this we

need more of this like that is a genre where we definitely need people to speak out now john you and i have been buddies for a while you were kind enough to invite me over to your house folks this is one of the most talented guys you're ever going to meet we're up in nashville we're there for this fox thing i said john you mind if we stop by, bring my brother there. John is kind of take us in. We may have had a few adult sodas. I don't know. I'm just saying. And John picks up his guitar and just like invents a song right there and gives us like a private concert. So you must've thought to yourself, Tom's pretty talented. It does sound like it's the end of the world.

Perfect time for a tune, right? Well, I'll tell you what, Dan, you're always invited to my house anytime you're in Nashville, of course. You know, so Tom McDonald, you know, a lot of your audience may not know him. A lot of my audience may not know him. This is one of the only artists around

that is putting out songs with lyrics that, like Tom said, go directly against what the industry of music says you're allowed to say. And I think he said it very well that rock and roll and country music, American music used to always be about pushing back against the machine, pushing back against the man. And now it's become co-opted by the machine and co-opted by the man. And because of that, you don't get lyrics like what I say or like what Tom says. So putting the two of us together, we got a band together.

I think it's a good lesson for everybody. We're very different, Tom and I. If you see a picture of him and a picture of me, we don't look like we come from the same place. But we feel the same, Dan. We love our country. We know that our freedom is in jeopardy. We know that the future is in jeopardy. And as musicians, this was our freedom is in jeopardy. We know that the future is in jeopardy. And as

musicians, this was our opportunity to make a statement. You know, John, you just said something there. I was going to, I tell him, I'm going to ask you a question here in a second, but just quickly, you know, when we were going up to your bar in your house, you have a bunch of pictures of people you met in your elevator. And a lot of those people don't look like you, John. And that goes to show you what a real American conservative patriot who respects every the dignity of every human being and doesn't give a damn about skin color, where you're from. I've seen those pictures. That's the kind of guy you really are. And, you know, you made me think of that when you said that, that, Tom, you're from a different world. I know John's taken on woke ism and country music and John's in a unique place, Tom. John is such a powerful figure in country music. He can basically write his own rules.

Now, hip hop, you think country music has gotten woke. My gosh, hip hop is full of people who are woke. So you really got a tough road to hoe ahead of you. How bad is it in that space? Patriots like you speaking out about American values and stuff. is it in that space patriots like you speaking out about american values and stuff you know what man um it's it from the hip-hop community like i don't have a lot of friends in hip-hop i can tell you that much um and there's a lot of long-time hip-hop fans that uh you know sort of detest what i'm doing because it goes contrary it's it opposes uh what they're used to hearing from within the genre. But you know what, man? They're mad at me for talking about politics

or talking about thinking for yourself or talking about how much I love the country or that our freedom's in jeopardy. And the music that fills up the space in that genre is typically talking about romanticizing suicide promoting prescription drug abuse alcohol partying brand names determining your self-worth uh objectifying women hyper sexualizing people like that it's a it's a mess so um i'm out here just trying to make music that can empower people and it maybe if not empower people at least give people the opportunity to think for themselves and allow them to empower themselves

so you know at this point it doesn't it doesn't matter how much opposition i get or how angry people are i'm a fully independent artist i'm not signed to anybody there's no manager there's no record label there's there's nothing there's nobody that's going to control me on the behind-the-scenes business side of things. And there's no negative feedback on Twitter or Facebook or YouTube that's going to change the path that I'm taking right now. No, I can tell because someone sent some of your work to me a year ago. You're not new to me. We're talking to Tom McDonald and John Rich, the country singer extraordinaire.

Like I said, you know him from Big and Rich, from his solo career. They got a compilation project. The song is available right now for download to add to your playlist to purchase. It's called End of the World. The last time John spoke out and put a song together about fighting for American values,

it was number one like that. Let's make this number one and sell 10 times as many to send a big double-barreled middle finger to these a-holes in the industry trying to tell us America don't matter. You guys don't have to comment on that, but this show gets in trouble all the time. I'm just saying. So, John, here's the thing. Tom just said something about being an independent producer. And you and I have actually had this conversation. It's number one now.

Awesome. Let's make it more. Let's double that thing. Geometrically higher, right? You said to me a while ago, and I thought it was so accurate, given my involvement with Rumble, that, listen, Dan, content is king, man. That the distribution channels in the past, where there was like payola and radio stations, that's all dead now.

Anyone can go to Rble or a video platform and play john rich and tom mcdonald's song or purchase it on their own and a guy like you helping out a guy like tom this is the future of the music industry isn't it yeah i think it's really important uh that guys like me and tom who come from two separate genres uh join forces. You know, a lot of Tom's fans are hearing me for the first time, and a lot of my fans are hearing Tom for the first time, and they're looking at us, and it's this great American moment where look at these very opposite guys making harmony together and speaking a very powerful message about our country and about our future.

That's powerful, and yeah, you can go to Rumble and watch it. Matter of fact, the video is on John Rich Official on Rumble. And of course, you can find it all over the place. It's very important. Listen, Dan, the bad guys have bought all the real estate. People say, I feel like I want to run for the hills, but there's no hills left to run to. All the bad guys own them all. And so we have to build new hills for people to run to. You being involved in the beginning of Rumble, man, what a huge deal that was. It's given all of us another place to go. And I think we've got to continue in that.

And that is the American spirit at the end of the day. You cannot keep us down forever. We will figure out a way to come back and win. Yeah, and, you know, Tom, I'm sure you're going to echo that. Cause I know we all on the phone here feel the same way and on the microphone, but the thing is like, they really took us for granted the left. I think they had so many successes and candidly we had so many, I don't expect you to comment on politics or anything, Tom,

but we had so many shady, dopey, stupid Republicans over decades like, oh, let's not argue about this culture stuff. Let's just argue for tax cuts. Brother, I love tax cuts. Get your freaking grimy, filthy, stinking mitts out of my wallet. Great. But that's not the only thing on planet earth. You know, there's a culture war out there where we're, you know, we're indoctrinating kids. We're teaching kids to hate each other based on skin color. We're teaching a generation hate each other based on skin color. We're teaching a generation of kids to hate America. Like, how are you going to have a country where this club we call America, everybody says the club sucks.

Like, no one's going to want to be in that club. And then they're surprised that America's having problems. So to have guys like you speak out and to have John at your back and vice versa, and you guys to put out content and entertaining, the song's great. I just bought it myself. That's what I was doing for those watching on Fox Nation.

The song is great. To have guys like you break through and to produce good quality entertaining content, this is a big deal. Yeah, I think it's like John said. I think the bad guys have bought up all the real estate. And I think that they've also convinced all of us people within America or North America or maybe even bigger in the world. I think that the bad guys have convinced us to point the fingers at one another and be mad at one another and hate one another instead of point the fingers at them and hate them and have a problem with them

so that's it goes back to again yeah amen and it goes back to what john said that's why it's so important for the white rapper with the blonde braids and the face tattoos and the country icon with the handlebar mustache and the cowboy hat it's important for those people to look past the face tattoos and look past the cowboy hat and and and important for those people to look past the face tattoos and look past the cowboy hat and have the conversations with one another and discover that we all have so much more in common than the mainstream media wants us to believe. And that's when we're going to be most powerful when we can shake hands and have those conversations and stand together. So true, Tom. John, last question. I'll let you guys go. The song, again, folks, is called End of the World.

Tom McDonald and John Rich, available for download, for purchase, available and listen to it on Rumble. Spread it around. Tell your friends. If we don't support our creators, our patriotic creators, we're not going to have any more.

And not to mention, the song's really damn good, too. But John, last question for you. Now you've had multiple successes. This is now, gosh, your third or fourth consecutive, like number one, you just kind of rode and did outs in a parallel economy atmosphere. So there's no question your business model, good content, solid promotion,

we love America works. Are you finding a lot of creators out there now calling you up, guys like Tom, saying, Hey, John, I'd like to do a little project too. No, Dan, I'm not doing those phone calls because most people, they still believe that they have to have the industry. They don't want to buck that system. It's a dangerous gamble to buck the system. Cause once you buck them, Dan, once you show them that middle finger one time, they're done, they're done with you.

And so to give that up, man, that's a huge risk for a lot of artists, but guys like Tom McDonald and myself, uh, Aaron Lewis is another one that's been doing that. There's very few of us, but we're out there, man. We're out there and we do need everybody's support because we're showing the system that we out there and we do need everybody's support because we're showing the system that we've got our own system it's called we make great songs we've got great fans and we don't need your uh your evil situation to promote our music i told tom this if those people approved of what i'm doing i wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I take their hatred for me as validation that I'm saying it correctly. John, you're the

real deal, man. I'm telling you, folks, this guy is a great, great guy. We sat there. You're so talented, too, John. My brother, when we left your house and we went over to the Fox, my brother, that's all he wanted to talk about. He's like, I can't believe this guy just picks up my guitar and just invents songs

out of nowhere. I can't even play ring around the rosie on like a guitar john's like boom yeah i got it john's like hey uh dan i gotta go to the bathroom because i thought of a song in the bathroom be like wait what this guy that's how talented he is i gotta run guys i'm running out of time at the song again folks end of the world. Tom McDonald, John Rich, blow this thing up. Make it number one, not just today, not just tomorrow, but next week too. And flip a big, giant, screw you a-holes to every one of these woke morons in both hip-hop and country music. Sorry, fellas. Didn't mean to bring you into this.

John Rich, Tom McDonald, thanks for coming on. You guys are great. Appreciate it. You got it. See you, guys. you guys folks please i am begging you it's a good song man go get it spread it around i make nothing from this i don't care it's not about money this is about me being a part of this parallel economy where we say to these people we had enough we've got our own people we've we had enough. We've got our own people. We've got our own singers. We've got our own movies. We've got our own banking system.

We don't need you crazy lunatics anymore. We're at the beginning of it. It's growing every day, but we're all part of it. John and I can't do it without you. Check out the song, End of the World, John Rich, Tom McDonald. That was John Rich and Tom McDonald. Up next, we talk with Father Robert Sirico. This

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results message and data rates apply thanks perch gold here's father bob cerrico talking about the moral case for capitalism why free markets work you're going to love this interview and how government is not the entity you can trust to solve your problem all right so i asked and the audience responded i said listen if anyone knows Father Bob Sirico, please connect us. I would love to have him on the show. I listened to a speech he gave once, and I thought it was amazing, at the Acton Institute about basically the moral case for free markets. So he's here, Father Bob Sirico.

Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us. Good to be with you, Dan. Thanks for having me. Finally. Yes, sir. Yes, finally. It's an honor. I tell the story often on the show, but it's worth repeating. I was running for office one time and I was up in the mountains. The only station that came in was C-SPAN and they were covering a speech you were giving.

And you said something that really stung and it made a lot of sense. You said something to the effect of it's not that government's too big folks it said it's just too stupid in other words it just doesn't have the capability and the depth of knowledge to figure out every human problem and I was just so well said so elaborate on that point well I did two dimensions to that. At first, it's stupid because it becomes bureaucratized, so it removes people who are solving the problems from the problem. So the bureaucracy is so far removed from what's going on on the ground that it enacts programs that are stupid. It doesn't hit the target. But the second point, and it's a more complex economic

point, is that socialism itself, the centralized planning that government does, really blocks our ability to know what real issues are. It does this because it impedes entrepreneurs from finding out the real cost of things, things like this. This is a point made in that beautiful parable. You may have heard I pencil that Leonard Reed used to tell that, right. You know, you don't know what the supply and the demand is if you have bureaucrats and regulations and taxes in the middle of it. So it's stupid in that sense as well.

and regulations and taxes in the middle of it. So it's stupid in that sense as well. Yeah, and I always think of the principle that actually had its base in faith and religion of subsidiarity. The idea that the best level of management is the closest unit to the person being managed. In other words, if you want something done in your HOA, Father Bob,

you want something done in your HOA, you don't go to the federal government. You go to your HOA, Father Bob, you want something done in your HOA, you don't go to the federal government. You go to the HOA manager because he understands the people in the building, right? But that's not what we're doing with this expansive federal government. We're taking local decision-making, your health care, your kids' school, and we're putting it in Joe Biden's hands. Right. And you see what happens when it all begins to fall apart, whether it's here in the United States through these kinds of regimes like we see now or in China or in in Russia or in Cuba or in Venezuela, every place that it's enacted and to the extent it's enacted, you have

poverty, you have underproduction, you have people wanting to get out and get to freedom. We're talking to Father Robert Sirico. He's really a brilliant guy. I've really enjoyed your speeches. I watch a lot of your videos out there, too. How do you address being a priest and a man of faith and understanding the words of the Bible? How do you address the liberal criticism frequently of free market folks like myself and you uh when they say well listen you know jesus was a socialist i i i kind of laugh when they say that but how do you address that well you know you know who came back with the best quip on this the most succinct was winston churchill and this is a the you know in the early 1900s, he said in his day, of course, he said the socialism of the ancient church, the early Christians said, all that is mine is yours. But the modern socialists say all that is yours is mine.

You know, when these liberals accuse us of this, they're looking at the communal nature, the generous nature, the philanthropical nature of the early church did and what the church continues to do, is that we're inspired to sacrifice ourselves by his message of love for the other person. Socialism is the opposite of that. It coerces you. It doesn't inspire you to greatness, to heroism, to sanctity. It forces you. A person isn't made holier because their money is taken and given to somebody else. Even if that money goes to something good, you're not benefited spiritually by it. And so that's the great flaw of socialism. We're talking to Father Robert Sirico. He has a book called The Economics of the Parables. You should probably check that out. You'll be smarter if you do The Economics of the Parables. Sir, one of the things I struggle with, my local priest, the pastor of my church, good man, we have him on the show all the time,

Father Marty. And I asked him this question, but I'd love to get your perspective. I genuinely struggle with this in church. I luckily have been recently in my life very successful. I didn't grow up that way. My father was a plumber. My mom worked the checkout counter in a restaurant. I was a cop and agent. Yes, sir. I'm from Queens.

I'm from Brooklyn. What part of Brooklyn? East Flatbush and Bay Ridge. Oh, I know it well. I played baseball there. I was a cop in Brooklyn. Yeah. Like you. in Brooklyn. Yeah. Up like you. Same thing. Yeah. People in one little one little apartment, you know, so you can relate. I mean, growing up with in a two bedroom apartment, me and my three brothers slept on the same double bed.

Right. Right. And my poor middle brother got stuck in the middle with, you know, the metal thing. And poor kid, poor kid still traumatized. Right now that my audience has been gracious enough to have granted me and the Lord himself this incredible life. I struggle a lot because I say to myself, I have an obligation to be doing more. And I sincerely try, but I know I should be doing more. But there's this natural human impulse to greed. And when you ignore it, you become that person. You have to recognize those flaws in yourself.

But I have this problem with wealth. And I read the Bible and, you know, the rich man, the eye of the needle, the whole the love of money thing. What do you say to guys, you know, like me who have assets and who are wealthy and talk about free markets when liberals say well you can do that you know you're rich or whatever you're gonna go to hell anyway read the bible well the first thing i do is i write a book like the parable the book on the parable of the economics because every one of those statements you said i cover in that book the rich man and and and envy and greed but what I would say to you personally, what I said, one very wealthy man, rather well-known, but I won't mention his name here.

He said to me once, you know, I really want to grow in holiness, and what do I do for the poor? And I said, well, why don't you think of, and I mentioned a soup kitchen. I said, why don't you just go work in a soup kitchen one afternoon or one night? He said, Father, he said, if I did that, do you know how much money I could make in that period of time by giving myself over to them? And I said, oh, I'm sorry, you thought I was talking about something for the benefit of the poor.

I was talking about something of benefit for your soul. You know, do that and do it anonymously. I mean, if you can. I mean, you're a well-known person. But if you can do something anonymously for somebody, that's going to put a whole perspective about how you handle your money and what your heart, what God is calling you to. And by the way, the very fact that you're asking this question is such a sign of a moral tug on the part of God on your soul.

Well, Father, I appreciate that, especially from you. I struggle. I mean, Jesus saved me a long time ago. I surrendered my soul as a child. I've never turned back. It means everything to me. I've used this microphone. I pray every night, Lord, give me the tools you've given me to evangelize your cause, but to do it in the right way. I pray to him to give me the guidance and the words.

He means so much to me. He means everything to me. But I just feel like I'm in this struggle where if God, he never gives you easy answers, father. And I just, I wonder if he said to me tomorrow, Dan, I need a favor from you. You need to give it all away and go back to the apartment you and your wife Paula lived in in Bayside, that one bedroom apartment,

and you are going to make the world an exponentially better place. It would be done at the snap of a finger. But where I struggle with it is, I've seen the effects in my own family, Father, of giving money to people, and it's destroyed them. It hasn't helped.

It's destroyed them. That's right. No, I think what you're saying is so right, but don't think it's just people who have wealth that have that moral struggle. We all have that moral struggle. We all have that moral struggle. People who don't have a lot still need to ask those same kinds of questions. The thing we need to do is be in solidarity with people who are in need,

not just give away. Compassion isn't just giving to people. It's suffering with people. That's what the word compassion means, compassio, to suffer with. And to the extent that you suffer with people, we all have, you know, this examination of conscience, which is why I go to confession regularly,

especially in Lent, which is what we're in now. Yeah. We're talking to Father Robert Sirico, S-I-R-I-C-O. The book is called The Economics of the Parables. You should probably check that out. Father, when you hear words like equity and social justice, clearly terms meant to

ring your emotional bell. I mean, who's not for justice and who's not for what appears to sound like equality? The problem I have with, and I think where you have kind of a greater moral authority than me, whether you think so or not, you do, is that they're not, that's not what they actually mean. They don't actually mean justice. As Hayek said, you know, the road to serfdom, if the government is going to enforce equality, it ironically requires them to treat people unequally. A guy like you, say, really worked your butt off and earned, you know, $100 an hour. If you have to be treated as equally as the guy who only produced $20 of value and split your proceeds, then you're being treated unequally, which is the greatest irony of these buzz terms like equity. Right. But, you know, the question of equality is the moral, the key moral question is a question of human dignity.

And all human beings share this dignity regardless of the size of their bank accounts. By the way, the great parable that rankles exactly the social justice warriors is the parable of the talents and the parable of the laborers in the vineyard where all these laborers come and those who work the whole day get the same price as those who work just part of the day. That's really something to think about. Were they treated unjustly because they agreed to the same wage? The master says, no, don't I have the right to do with my property as I want? just says, no, don't I have the right to do with my property as I want? The way in which rhetorically socialists and collectivists of various kinds utilize moral categories without the morality is really quite intriguing. It's a study in itself, and it's to induce an inappropriate guilt. You know, if the temptation of actors in a free economy is a temptation to greed, which is true, we have to guard our hearts against this.

The unacknowledged temptation on the part of the left is a temptation to envy, to viciously hate people who have succeeded, not because they've done anything wrong, but simply because they have succeeded. I mean, this keying of the Teslas, you know, you read about these people. Yeah, so silly. Yeah, it's a horrible, a horrible attitude that is engendered by this kind of socialist mentality. So true. Father Sirico, you did not disappoint. We've never spoken before to my great chagrin. I have a fantastic audience. I'm so glad somebody found you. We would love to have you back. His book, folks, is called The Economics of the Parables. Father Robert Sirico, please check

it out. i can't thank you enough for coming on you're amazing oh thank you no well we speak the same language right again you ain't kidding we even have the same accent mine's kind of watered down a little bit after moving to maryland and florida but believe me i can still be the new york translator for anyone i i need to have an egg cream right now. You got it, sir. Knock yourself out there. Delicious. Father Bob Sirico, thanks for your time.

We appreciate it. What a good man. I'll never forget when he said that. I was listening to that speech. It's not that government's too big. It's that it's too stupid. You ever hear a priest talk like that? My man.

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to the upcoming presidential election to the Trump persecution and a whole lot more. Check this out. All right, I'd like to welcome to the show one of my good friends at Fox, a guy we go way back uh we have a we go way back we have a lot of history together we were on we were on panels on cnn back in the day arguing with lefties and over at the blaze before it was the blaze so we've been around a while together my good friend host of the will cane podcast which i can't emphasize enough in strong

enough terms is so terrific worth your time will cane. I will fit it in today and plug it for you so you don't have to, Will. You know we joke about that all the time. How are you, bud? Thank you. That's a subtle way of saying, Will, just talk about the subject. You don't have to shoehorn in your podcast. Will and I joke all the time about it, about who's the better plugger of the podcast. Will's very good. I always enjoy it. Hey, listen, it's a business, Will. I joke all the time about it, about who's the better plugger of the podcast. Will's very good. I always enjoy it. Hey, listen, it's a business, Will. I mean, we're capitalists, you and I.

You know, there's nothing wrong with it. You've got great content you're proud of. I think the show is spectacular. You're one of the few guys out there who you manage to incorporate culture and sports and weave it into politics. And you make it interesting. And I think that's what makes your show different. I got to tell you, you've forgotten more about sports than I know. But before we get into the hard stuff, your thoughts on this world baseball classic.

A lot of complaints, a lot of good players got injured. My humble opinion, Will, I think this was great for baseball. I mean, 60 million people or something watched the Japan-Mexico game. That's crazy. I do too. And here's why I think it's good for baseball. I mean, 60 million people or something watch the Japan-Mexico game. That's crazy. I do too. And here's why I think it's good for baseball is because baseball is just mired in declining relevance. The only reason people watch baseball is for one singular team that they are passionate about. They don't watch it for a league. They don't watch it for a playoff party. They watch it for their team. And this was a moment where, look, I got to tell you, Dan, baseball has fallen down for me to i don't know

number four maybe yeah me too brother yes but all of a sudden there was buzz around this world baseball classic and like i think the key can i i'm gonna tie it together and it's not that it's a mutual love fest but to watch you blow up and you really started to blow up when i was over in the world of sports and to watch you blow up. And it's not about, you know, attention seeking or carnival barking. It's about you have quality content that you need to make the world aware of. Right. And so and not just that, but it's a message that's important and you wouldn't be doing it if you didn't think it were important. Right. And then therefore, you got to tell people about it. And I just watched how you built what you built, which is just beyond impressive. And I joked with you last weekend on your show, but I really did take lessons from what you did.

And look, if you've said something on a recent podcast or you said something on a recent show and you're talking about it now, I say, yeah. And I went into it deeper here, right? I only got two minutes on television, but I went into it deeper here. So I truly learned from you. But just to tie it full circle, the World Baseball Classic was calling attention to the game of baseball in a way that had been lost. And next thing I know, without even trying, I'm looking up, and it's in the bar, and people are talking about it.

And next thing you know, Shohei Ohtani is going up against Mike Trout. Right. With the game on the line. Exactly. Right? The two, probably the two greatest position players. Well, Ohtani plays all over the place. That doesn't even apply there.

But probably one of the top two or three pitchers in baseball. Unquestionably a future Hall of Famer. The equivalent of the Lou Gehrig Babe Ruth of our time. With a 3-2 full count. I mean, Will, you couldn't have scripted it like a Kevin Costner, Bull Durham Field of Dreams any better than that. And I agree with you. They did than that. And I agree with you. They did need that because I'm with you, brother Will.

Baseball, I grew up on baseball. Loved it. Played it by far. Not even a close second my favorite sport growing up. Obsessed with the Yankees. Could have gone through every single player, their stats, batting average, everything. And now I just, you know, maybe it's the woke-ism, all the nonsense. I don't know. I just, I know, maybe it's the woke-ism, all the nonsense. I don't know.

I just can't get into it. It's like I'm football, basketball, hockey, and then like a distant fourth baseball. So I agree with you. I think this was a good thing. Yeah, football's taken over as America's game. That's the bottom line, and it's pro and college. You played baseball too, right? It's tough for you, though.

I did. I played. Yeah, I played for the fall uh the uh I played for the fall season and uh and I played in high school and then I quit the team at Stony Brook right before the final cuts because I had a girlfriend in New York that I missed and I regret that decision ever since I left the voicemail with the coach his name is Matt and I had a really good uh you know set of scrimmage games I was pretty sure I would have made that team. And I'm still upset at myself.

I just, you know, to this day, I love the game, though. I love the fact that it's a, you know, it really is a thinking man's game. I mean, when you look at some of the physiques in baseball, they just don't match up to football. I had a thousand questions, but you're so interesting. You know, think about like John Kruk, right? I mean, this is a guy who can succeed in baseball.

He couldn't necessarily maybe get that done in football, and it's because he's in this game of inches where he's figured out how maybe to read a pitcher and the angle of his hand a little bit better than the other guy who didn't see the curveball coming. Yeah! Skill versus athleticism, right?

Like Kruk isn't going to be, I mean, maybe golf, because golf is such a skill-based game. Repetition of act, right? Whatever, swing a golf club, sing a baseball. How many different pitches have you seen? He's mastered that skill. Hey, by the way, and I know you want to talk to me about, like, Trump and Manhattan DA and all that, but one more nonpolitical note,

and you're guiding the conversation, not me. I thought about you this morning. So yesterday I was in Houston, and I'm doing this piece on Fox & Friends, for Fox & Friends, for Devin Still. He's an amazing dude. He played defensive tackle for the Bengals. You probably heard his story at one point. His daughter got diagnosed with neuroblastoma cancer.

Yes, unfortunately I have her. She survived. She's good. She's 12 and I went and visited with them and he's an absolute champ. Just a font of wisdom. I mean, like you meet people in your life, they're smart people. There's a wise people stand out. You're like, I don't know what it is, but you've managed to figure out a lot of really important life lessons, which by the way, is one of the reasons I'm conservative, because of the wisdom involved in the eternal principles. But anyway, so Devin and I worked out, Dan, and that was part of the thing. We're going to work out together, and he's boxing. So I boxed for the first time yesterday, and I shadow boxed, and I hit bags, and Dan, like, I'm her- How are your shoulders feeling today?

I knew it! I didn't even know I had these muscles, you know, like in the middle of my high back. How are your shoulders feeling today? I knew it. I didn't even know I had these muscles. You know, like in the middle of my high back. Totally. Dude, boxing will wear your ass out, bro. Boxing is, it's not just, if you're doing it right, and I'm sure Devin told you this, a punch is about 30% arm and about another 20%, 25% leg,

and the rest is rotational core. You know, only street thugs use all arm, and that's why they can't fight. But when you get with a boxer and he teaches you how to properly body hook, you realize this is mostly legs and core. And if you're doing it right on that heavy bag, you wake up the next day and you're like, my gosh, that hurts. Like, why does my lower back hurt? No is great it's there's nothing like it so will we're talking to will came host of the excellent will came podcast which you should subscribe to today well i've had this theory about trump you uh are an astute follower of uh what's going on the political scene that

this is actually going to backfire spectacularly on them if this arrest does happen probably happen on fox and friends this weekend or maybe friday you'll be covering it i'll be there with you and the reason is the most damaging political narratives in the world and i've said this to you before ones that change your pre-existing notion of who someone is you know if you found mike pence in a strip club oh my gosh like that's it it's over but if you find like donald trump think about that right like it's so crazy you'd club. Oh my gosh. Like that's it. It's over. But if you find like Donald Trump, right? Like it's so crazy. You'd be like, oh my gosh, this is so bananas. Like that doesn't happen. But when you hear these stories about Donald Trump, whether they happened or not, right. He was alleged to be involved with some stripper. And then Will, you grew up on Howard Stern, like I did listening to Trump talk about his party lifestyle. You may not like the story, but it doesn't change anything for you.

But he has made a brand out of being this deep state warrior. So you're going to trot him in a blue city, in a blue state, in front of a likely blue judge, surrounded by blue hecklers and handcuffs, and you think this is going to damage his brand? It's the single dumbest thing i've ever heard so i totally agree with you when it comes to the republican primary in the republican base and i think it could it could cinch the republican primary for him over what we all know to be the closest front runner ron desantis right i'm not making that call i'm just saying it could

be the deciding factor right um but here's the thing and I want to talk this out with you. I don't know about the general. Now, here's why I say that, okay? You're right about the Stormy Daniels stuff. That stuff's baked into the cake. That ain't changing anybody's mind, right? No one. I think that your challenge, Dan Bongino, and my challenge, Will Kane, is this, that we know that what this story is truly about is a two-tier justice system. And I can go into the details of it, Dan. So I can talk about the fact that no DA would ever pursue this, including the previous DA or federal prosecutors, that it's

a misdemeanor, that it's run past the statute of limitations. And I can lay out the case about why this is so weak, and therefore, it's a political witch hunt. I can lay that out, right? But the only people that are really going to take the time to listen to me on that are the people that care and know right away, and that is the Republican base that sees the details, is invested in understanding it, and sees, therefore, the two-tier justice system. What my worry is, Dan, there's this other thing out there, and it's, I don't know the better word for it than zeitgeist, and it's just sort of the people who accept the news and it washes over them, right? And when it washes over you, all you collect is a few details. And you have to have these people

to win an election. You have to have some of these people in the general. And again, I don't think it's the Stormy Daniels aspect. I think it's going to be like this idea that Donald Trump broke the law, period. That's what they'll say, right? I think it's going to be like this idea that Donald Trump broke the law, period. That's what they'll say, right? And what they're going to do, by the way, is run – probably run the same play three times. They may run it in Georgia, and they may run it when it comes to Mar-a-Lago. And you and I – it comes back to me and you and everyone out there to try to persuade those people, who I don't think are dug-in lefties. Those people are lost, right? Don't worry about them.

Those other persuadable people you need to win a general, why this is a two-tier justice system, right? Because I think they turn off their ears. They accept shallow explanations. They accept shallow images and pictures, and they're going to have a negative opinion of all this when it comes to Donald Trump. That's my concern. I'm not saying for sure. I can't make a prediction.

That's my concern. And therefore, I think that's our job is to help make the persuadable people understand the truth is on our side, understand why this is such a big deal. Yeah, yeah. Listen, that's a pretty terrific analysis, but I think of it more in the realm of just pure spreadsheets and numbers. I remember when I was looking at running for a governor in Maryland and I just would sit there with a spreadsheet and say, where are we going to get the numbers? And I think when you look at this arrest, yes, you know, how does the breaking

of the law, alleged breaking of the law play to them? I totally understand how that may not get suburban moms in there, but that's also baked into the electoral cake, too. Here's what I see. Well, I see a growing number of minority voters which are increasingly, increasingly powerful electorally in America moving to Donald Trump. powerful electorally in America, moving to Donald Trump, who may or may not move to Ron DeSantis. Now, DeSantis has a record of success with them unquestionably, best governor in America, in my opinion, in Florida. There's zero doubt about landslide victory.

Does that translate nationally? The answer is I don't know, but I do know about Trump, where he got a significantly higher percentage of Hispanic and black voters than Mitt Romney or George W. Bush. And now you see that transformation continuing in an immigration environment Biden's created and an inflationary environment attacking the middle class. And the question is, does the coalition work? Middle class working voters who like him dirt under the fingernails, minority voters, and young kids who really seem to like him?

It may. Your thoughts. young kids who really seem to like him? It may. Your thoughts. I, um, the best, the best thing about,

you know, I think in life, Dan, all of us, our strengths are our weaknesses, right? That's who we are. Like,

you want to find your biggest strengths, probably look inside your weaknesses. You want to find your biggest weaknesses. They're hidden somewhere inside your strengths. And the best argument for Donald Trump is also the best argument against Donald Trump. Like, you and I love that he's a fighter and that he exposes the insanity inside of his opponents. And by the way, not just the insanity, the truth, right? Something that existed, that was already there. And I worked at, you mentioned CNN. I was at CNN as a conservative

commentator from like 2010 to 14, 15, So pre-Trump. And then were they liberal? Were they? Yeah, all that stuff. And then Trump comes along and just like rips the mask off of everything. And that's good. I think that honesty is good for society. I think that exposure is good. But inside that strength for others, and I'm not talking about for me, for others, people just can't handle it, man. They just can't handle that truth. But I don't know the numbers. I'm not making a prediction for you, right? I don't know how another general election turns out. I'm just telling you my concern. But I don't say, okay, then give up. I don't do that. I just go, well, our job. It's why I do a podcast. I'm sure it's why you talk for three hours a day on this show.

podcast. I'm sure it's why you talk for three hours a day on this show. We have to help people understand why we have a, we, there is such thing as a deep state. It's not a buzzword, right? It is important to point out George Soros's role in our, our society. It's not just a buzzword. There is a two-tier justice system. We have to explain how it's playing out. It's not just a partisan talking point buzzword. And that's why I do what I do and you do what you do. Will, I want to get a plug in for your podcast before I run. It's so great to spend a little extra time with you on Fox and Friends and I enjoy it, but we're

always kind of, you know, stuck between the breaking news of the day. So you're a fascinating guy. You did not disappoint at all. Tying baseball into all that and your analysis is really deep. The Will Kane podcast, folks, you'll get it every day that seems it's terrific it's one of the few i listen to i don't have a lot of time check them out will i will see you saturday i gotta stretch out my middle back that's what i'm

gonna work on i'm all i have some salt absolutely and as my uh my uh my uh my wife's grandmother used to say v vaperoo via the vix vapor rub all right well go enjoy yourself take care thanks for coming on you guys that was will cain up next is a former secret service colleague of mine with a very special area of expertise school security something that's tragically come up again his name's jeff james you've probably heard of him before on my show this is an interview about what you can do to secure your school let me thank our final sponsor first for bringing this podcast to you. A sponsor I'm happy to have on board, Windshield Wow, appropriately named because it does a terrific job cleaning your windshield.

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typically when something tragic happens. He's a good friend. We go way back together. We worked in Secret Service together. He was a fine agent and a fine man, good family guy, and as I said, a really good friend and is a very, very, very smart person

and an expert when it comes to targeted school violence. Welcome back to the show, my friend Jeff James. Jeff, thanks for spending some time with us. We appreciate it. Oh, no problem, Dan. Thank you for having me. Sure. Again, I wish it were under with us. We appreciate it. Oh, no problem, Dan. Thank you for having me. Sure. Again, I wish it were under different circumstances. I wish we could talk more,

but you and I are both busy. And I think we take the old Secret Service approach back in the day. I'll see you on the road somewhere. We can catch up. That's right. Unfortunately, something happened yesterday, reached out right away. I asked Jim to contact you because you know a lot about this issue. And one of the things I brought up earlier is the Secret Service NTAX study. It was updated in 2021. And one of the key findings about targeted school violence, told someone and vocalized or wrote to someone about their intention to do something like this. So your thoughts on that, that the signs are there, we may be missing them sometimes. Yeah, exactly. And it's, if I remember the percentage correctly,

it's 81% of the time. So what I tell people when I consult with them is imagine if eight out of 10 times someone would have spoken up and we could have prevented eight out of 10 school shootings. So the responsibility really needs to be on the people around this person. If you see them going down, you know, we call it the path toward violence. Let somebody know so we can give them, you know, the old saying, the off ramp to get off of that path toward violence. somebody knows so we can give them, you know, the old saying, the off ramp to get off of that path toward violence. And I know, I know there was a young woman who was a friend of the shooter yesterday who tried it, but sadly, you know, the shooter was already into their plan before, before the young lady, before her friend was able to contact the police. But, you know,

at least she tried, she made the effort to reach out and you really you really have a responsibility to do that yeah we're talking to jeff james former secret service agent um an expert in targeted school violence jeff uh i think and and and and i think you may agree one of the reasons at least in the past maybe not now but you know you'd hesitate to call the police you say ah you know i don't want to get this person in charge just blowing off some steam you know people say dumb things all the time and they do. But the sad reality, Jeff, is we live in a very different time right now. There's a copycat effect. There's social media. You know, we live in an age where, you know, violence is inconsequential, glorified and you're bathed in it all day.

You have easy access to hardcore pornography, hardcore violence at the tip of your fingertips. I mean, what do you got to do? Click an I'm 18 button? I mean, it's a different world. I'm not blaming taking a cheap route. Oh, it's the video games or the movies. Those answers are too simple.

They may be factors depending on your exposure to this kind of stuff, but that's not the reason. We're just in a different time. And because we're in that time, this is not the time to just gaff it off and say, well, they're just blowing off some steam. It's our responsibility to do something about it. Right. And let the investigators figure it out.

Let the experts figure it out. If you have a question, you make a call, the police will talk to them. Maybe they'll get them some counseling. And, you know, at worst, maybe you have to apologize to that person, but at best, you've prevented a tragedy. Yeah, that's such a good point. That's a good point. So Jeff, some practical things. When you're consulting in this targeted school violence space,

what are some practical things people can do? You know, I've thrown some out in the past. It's probably a good idea to get together with your local police department if you haven't already at the school. Get blueprints of the school out there so police officers have seen it, have walked through it. They're not guessing when they show up. What are some things you're telling principals and parents? Well, the first thing I tell anybody I consult with is you need to get rid of the mindset that it can't happen here. It is a dangerous and irresponsible mindset. And I still have people, Dan, as hard as it is to believe, who say that to me today. And if you go to a school board meeting and you hear a school board member or an administrator at your kid's school say something like that,

you need to vote them out of office next turnaround. Because, look, the bad guys do surveillance. And we saw that yesterday that this person did surveillance of those two schools and passed on the one that she knew they had security just to go to this one because it was a softer target. So if you have people who are sitting in charge of a school saying it won't happen here, dangerous mindset. You've got to get that changed. The other thing is hardening your perimeter. And people say to me, you know, wow, security is expensive. And my answer is, well, security is not expensive. It's priceless. So when you find ways to, you know, make your doors hardened so we can prevent what happened

yesterday where some, and the same thing that happened at Sandy Hook, they just shoot through the glass and walk into the building. Those two things of denying that mindset that it can't happen here and denying entry of bad guys to your building, those are the two most important things right off the bat. Yeah, and I think we also, I'm sorry, go ahead, Jeff. No, I was just going to say on the hardened entrances and exits, you know, we called in the service, you know, ingress and egress. They're not impenetrable.

What we did in the Secret Service is you're not setting up an impenetrable fortress. I mean, Jeff, a lot of what you and I used to do inside advances was pipe and drape. Literally a drape with no ballistic capabilities whatsoever. So you might say, well, why use it? People can shoot through it. Well, the answer is because if you're inside the pipe and drape with no ballistic capabilities whatsoever so you might say well why use it people can shoot through it well the answer is because if you're inside the pipe and drape I know you shouldn't be there I mean a lot of these things like hardening and entrance just with locks well they can shoot through the glass well they may but then they're gonna have to shoot through the glass and announce themselves first I mean the point I think you're trying to make is I

get these questions a lot from people you know understandably inexperienced in the space they're not being rude as well you know, understandably inexperienced in the space. They're not being rude as well. You know, you put a wall there, you can just get a ladder. Yeah. But then you got to walk down the street with a ladder, which kind of looks strange. So you, if you could expound on that a bit. Yeah. And in the time it takes, so, you know, we, we talked about, they've been talking about the 14 minutes that it took for the police to

respond. So that she set off an alarm yesterday when she started shooting. They gave everybody in that building. And when you watch the body cam videos, you hear the alarms going off. Somebody pulling the alarm, everybody locked down and it prevented further bloodshed. But she tripped her own wire by shooting through the door. If it would have been a case where she just could open the door and walked in and you had kids in the hall maybe going to the bathroom, imagine the carnage that that would have caused. So, yeah, if you could find a way to cause somebody even five extra seconds to get inside your perimeter, it's going to give you time to get kids to a safe space or if it's a workplace, your employees to a safe space, and it's going to save lives. Yeah, you're right. Some other things you're recommending, you recommend drills, regular drills. I mean,

how do you tell, we're talking to Jeff James, a former colleague of mine, expert in targeted violence. How do you tell school administrators and parents, you balance that drill doing drills without frightening the children all the time into believing you, you know what I'm talking about? What do you recommend in that space? Yeah. Well, you know, it's, I think kids aren't, you know, my youngest is 11 and she saw what happened yesterday and she knows that they do drills at school and it doesn't look, you need to find ways to, to soften it, but it doesn't terrify them to practice that. You know, we've gotten away from someone walking around and shooting a blank gun and pretending

they're the assailing. Cause that we found that that traumatized even adults. So we've gotten away from doing that. But you know, it just that if you take 10 minutes a month to do a lockdown drill, just like a fire drill. And, and I tell people all the time, if you have a kindergartner, who's been through fire drills in their first year of school by Christmas break, they know exactly what to do. If there's a fire, even if the teacher isn't in the room. So if you practice that in conjunction with it, that lockdown drill, those kids, just after a few times, those touch points of training in their head, they're going to know exactly what to do. If they hear it over the intercom or if they hear the alarm or if the teacher says, hey, we're going to lock down. And there are ways to just do it is make it a matter of fact thing that you do.

And you limit the trauma. I mean, there are going to be some kids who are going to be unsavory about it, and we also deal with special needs kids who don't handle it well, but you got to do it. There's no way to avoid the practice and the training of it. What's your take on armed security at schools?

I've already stated mine, but I want to give both sides a fair hearing. There's another side of this. I aired a Fox commentator this morning. My podcast on the radio show today seemed to think having armed guards at schools was traumatizing. I think that's so absurd to the point of ridiculous. What's traumatizing is a school shooting. But your take on that.

Is that a difference maker? I'll make two points. And both of them are very relevant because they both happened yesterday. That shooter chose that school because there was no security over a school that did have security. So what does that tell you? The bad guys do surveillance and they're going to go for the soft target. The other thing I want to point out is that shooter also spent some of her time breaking out a window and shooting at the police. So every time she was shooting at the police, every second was one second less. She was shooting at children. So if you so the response time was 14 minutes. Imagine if there would have been two officers in that building and the response time was 60 seconds instead of 14 minutes. How much better it would have been.

It's another investment that I think people should make in their community. And you mentioned it earlier. Get with your local PD. See if you can get a grant to fund an SRO. And look, not everybody's cut out. Not every cop is cut out to be in an elementary school. I think you know that, right? Like there's certain people you wouldn't send into an elementary school. But you can certainly find people in your department who have the proper mindset, temperament and mentality to be in that school with those kids.

And, you know, people say to me all the time, oh, you know, you see cops walking around and they have guns invested. It's going to trigger the kids. And I don't say this. I mean, it sounds like I'm making fun of it, but it really doesn't. But my answer is always, well, you know what really triggers people is people pulling triggers at them. Like, we need good guys to fight bad guys. And Jeff, I live in a 50-50 Republican-Democrat community. I mean, we've had a Democrat congressman, a Republican congressman. I brought it up before. This is not a blood-red area of Florida.

And I have never, I have parents, you know, I go to school events just like you do. I go to school events, talk to parents who are Democrats. Believe me, they let me know all the time. Nice people. Not that, you know, I don't say anything rude. I have never once heard them or their kids, I don't live with them granted, but ever object to the school security at our school, ever. Matter of fact, my daughter,

and it's not some weird virtue signaling, my daughter's never brought it up to me one time. I mean, I remember her going to a flag football game and they walk across the parking lot and this armed security goes with them. And I don't remember anybody saying it. And I was like, oh my gosh, there's a guy with a gun next to us. Like, it just, it just becomes part of doing business. I mean, I think we, we sell kids short. We treat them like, uh, you know, they're not many adults.

I get that, you know, but they're not earthworms either. They're functioning beings who have the capacity to process information. Yeah. And, and look, if you make it part of their every day to them, it's not unusual. It wasn't part of our every day. Like I get that part, like you said, that, you know, it's a different world, but we can certainly make it part of their every day and they won't think twice about it. And, and my kids' schools have officers and, you know, my, my 11 year old came home about a month ago and said, uh, she wore ripped jeans at school and said, you know, her SRO came up to her and said, hey, it looks like you got attacked by a saber tooth tiger. Like, you know, they they joke around. It's part of they see them every day, just like they see the principal and the teacher's age and the teachers. It's almost like, you know, when you and I were working, you know, when you first get you to get to the White House, you see the president, you stop.

And, you know, it's even though you've been there for for on and you've never been in the detail on the detail you but then after a while it just becomes you know becomes part of doing business jeff i only got about a minute left but the police response uh absolutely amazing i mean if there was a textbook to be written these guys were real heroes man that body cam is very telling absolutely and the one thing i will say with the people who are grousing about the 14 minutes, I will remind them that that was 14 minutes from the first call. So you had, and I'll say this quickly. I know you only got a minute.

So that means that the dispatcher had to take the information, had to get the radio out. The guys had to drive there and that bag, that, that shooter was dead in 14 minutes. So a lot happened in that 14 minutes. And yeah, the body cam footage, the communication was awesome. You know, the way they just talked to each other and fed off each other. And hey, ran straight to the back. Did you see them pick up their speed when they heard the gunshots? Oh, yeah.

They're moving very methodically through the building. They hear the gunshots and they start to run toward it. And how he switches his optic. I mean, just everything from the clearing of the rooms to the clearing of the door, door. I mean, just absolutely textbook under maximum stress. Jeff, we so appreciate your time. I'm going to try to work out doing something this weekend on my show as well. Jeff James, folks, former Secret Service agent, expert in targeted school violence, and a very good man. Jeff, thanks for your time.

Thank you, Dan. Talk to you soon. You got it. It's a good man right there, folks. It's a quality individual, and he knows exactly what he speaks of. Talk to your kids, you know. Parents, schools should be doing drills. They should be rehearsing this.

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