The Dan Bongino Show - The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 05/29/22

Episode Date: May 29, 2022

First, on our One Year Anniversary, President Trump gave us a call to congratulate us, and talked a little about what’s been going on in the country. Next, we talked with Andy Pollack, who lost his daughter Meadow in a school shooting in Parkland FL about the tragedy in Uvalde. Up next we talk with Jeff James, a former colleague from the Secret Service, who talked with us about how to prevent another tragedy like the one we witnessed in Uvalde Texas last week. Finally, we talked with Dinesh D’Souza, who gave us the latest updates on the movie 2000 Mules. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Accelerating the pace. We're on it. BDC. Financing. Advising. Know how. First up today on our one-year anniversary of the radio show. Can you imagine? One-year anniversary. President Trump gave us a call on the radio show to congratulate us and we talked a little bit about what's going on in the country.

I really wanted you to hear this on the podcast channel, so check this out. All right, I got to welcome a special guest to the show on a one-year anniversary. He was our first guest ever, and he's back, President Donald J. Trump. Sir, thanks for joining us. Thank you, Dan. It's great. So it's one year. You did. You were my first guest. You got wild ratings.

You got great ratings. I was happy about it. You never sent me a check, and that's okay. Yeah, you deserve royalties. You ever watch Shark Tank? You know, Mr. Wonderful, he loves royalties. With all the ratings you bring in, gosh, you could make a fortune. He is, right? He is a great guy.

You know, Mr. Wonderful likes Trump. Yeah, well. I like Mr. Wonderful. He's great. You know, Mr. President, you know why he likes Trump? Let me tell you something. Because he likes to make money. And that's why a lot of people miss Trump right now.

Because a lot of people who like money are seeing it get flushed down the toilet with this buffoon in the White House now, Mr. President. I mean, we miss you. We need you back. It's terrible, Dan. I've never seen anything like it. Never seen anything like it. You know, when you look at fuel prices, we were energy independent. I had it down to

a dollar eighty seven a gallon for cars. Think of that gasoline dollar seven. And now it's hitting. I mean, just at nine dollars someplace, probably in California, but it's at six all over the place. And, you know, that's bigger than any tax increase you can give people. I don't know if you know that. It hurts people. Their taxes. That's bigger than any tax increase you can give people to i don't know if you know that oh it hurts people their taxes that's bigger than any tax increase you can be you could give inflation is a disaster the border is a disaster the way we got out of afghanistan is a triple disaster with the 85 billion and the soldiers killed and wounded don't Nobody ever talks about the wounded with no arms and legs. Nobody talks about them. They talk about the 13 that died,

but a lot of them badly wounded and leaving Americans behind. You know, it's a terrible thing what's happening to this country. Mr. President, I appreciate you calling in. I promised your team. I knew you were busy. It was just one day's notice.

I promised I'd let you go. Just a quick thought. Election day today in a lot of states. I know you feel strongly about a lot of candidates. Paxton, David Perdue. Any last thoughts before you roll? I deeply and sincerely, by the way, appreciate you calling in. Folks,

just so you know what kind of guy Donald J. Trump is, I emailed his team yesterday and said, sir, last minute, it was actually Margo, Mr. President, ma'am, I really would like the president to call in on the one year. And they got back to me like that, Mr. President. That's the kind of guy you are. You take care of your people. And I really appreciate that.

You get back. You got to take care of your friends. We love you from the beginning, from the first day, right? Before you were doing this stuff. That's right. Before you became a superstar? Before you were doing this stuff. That's right. Before you became a superstar, when you were doing a little tougher work. Although I guess for you this is pretty easy to do. But you've done a great job, and you're a big voice, Dan.

I just say that to your listeners. You're a big, big voice and a very powerful voice, and we don't have enough powerful voices. We have weak people, very weak people. Our country is going to hell. We've never been in a position like this. And I tell you what, we could be in for a real problem because we have never been so close to a nuclear war. I said it yesterday. There's an actual chance that we could end up at a nuclear war. That's unthinkable to have to say. And I would have never said that before. It was never it was never going to happen.

to say. And I would have never said that before. It was never going to happen. Even with Kim Jong-un, I was very confident. I never said that. But with what's going on now, and now you add China into the mix, but just look at Russia, look at what's happening and the way we're going about it. And we've never been in more danger of that. And that's a big, that's the ultimate problem. When you talk about global warming, Dan, that's a big i guess that's the ultimate problem when you talk about global warming dan that's global warming it's not the kind of global warming we want you right mr president thanks for your time yeah we really appreciate it congratulations dan thank you sir that means a lot thanks there you go folks i told you call in to say hello, but I'm not kidding. That's the kind of people they are. I emailed Margo from his team yesterday. And, you know, there are a lot of politicians. When you run for office, you meet a lot of people. And sadly, folks, I'll let you in

on a little secret. 90% of the people I've met, I'm not claiming to be some saint folks. I don't need to be beatified. Believe me, I don't deserve it. But about 90% of people you meet in politics, on both sides, you meet a lot when you're running for office. They just disappoint you. But regardless of who you voted for, I can tell you right now, that guy you just heard from, Donald J. Trump,

him and his family too, Eric eric don you email him about something and you say right jim you saw the emails yesterday i said i emailed him i said listen i know this is last minute i honestly folks forgot it was a one-year show because they just you know we're working i just i said would you mind having the president call in got back to me and Margo emailed me back in five minutes, maybe less and said, let me check. And then, uh, got back to me another five minutes later and said, done. Just tell us the time. And I got to tell you, I don't know if it's me being an Italian cat from New York, but that means a lot to me. I appreciate that stuff. It says a lot about it. You don't know. What does he need me for? It's Donald Trump.

You don't need me. You can go on any show he wants and whenever he wants. All he has to do is call in. But I appreciate that. It's a good man. That was President Donald J. Trump calling in to congratulate us on our first year on the radio show. We really appreciate it. He's a good man.

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go to patriot mobile.com slash dan patriot mobile.com slash dan or call 972 patriot thanks for your patience and thanks to patriot mobile for uh sponsoring the show we appreciate it coming up next this is a uh powerful interview with a friend of mine. You may know, you may not know this man, but you should. His name is Andrew Pollack. Andrew lost his beautiful, beautiful daughter, special person, Meadow, in the tragic Parkland shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Andrew then went out and became an activist for change. He has a powerful voice. We just conducted this interview this past week, and I think you need to hear it too.

So I was telling you before the break about my next guest. Well, welcome to the show here in a second. I was sitting in a hotel room, CPAC. The families of the Parkland massacre were at the White House, and he grabbed the microphone, and in one of the most powerful minutes or two, three minutes, whatever it was, it seemed like, just went by like that. Andrew Pollack just dominated that room and the hotel room I was in because I couldn't get away from it. Let me welcome him to the show, a good friend and a good man, Andrew Pollack. Andrew, thanks for joining us. Hey, Dan, dan anytime thanks for having me on of course you've been you know you've been through so much and i i told my audience the story when you were at the white house and you

just grabbed the microphone and you said after losing your beautiful daughter meadow you said fix it fix it and i just sat there transfixed on the side of the bed, getting ready to give this speech, thinking, gosh, we need more Andrew Pollack. What were you thinking in that moment? Like, this is it, and I'm just going to go for it right here. Well, I was effing pissed, Dan. My daughter was just murdered. You know what I mean?

My blood was boiling that this crap happened to me. And it took my daughter from me, my precious princess. And I was angry. You know, you're looking, there's all kids there. You know, my daughter, hopefully one day I'll see her again. But I was angry that that could happen in that time, you know, in 2018. And I'm angry again now, Dan, that it repeated itself. They didn't, you know, at least in Florida, you live in a free state.

I know you do in Florida. We got, after the shooting in Parkland, it was Governor Scott at the time. He put the Marjory Stoneman Douglas Safety Commission together. Of all experts, you know, Grady Judd was on it. There was a bunch of other sheriffs in on it. And they dissected all the failures. OK, and they made changes in Florida. I guarantee you in Florida, you're not walking into a school during the day once the bell rings.

OK, we have we passed the law. There's there's a armed police officer per 500 students in every school. It's the law in Florida or a guardian. They allow for school districts to train teachers if that school district's OK with it. They go through that guardian program. I've been in it. I've seen it. It's extensive. Any teacher that could pass it would be an asset to any school. So what I'm getting at is Florida semi-fixed it, Dan. You know, they did a lot of stuff. Texas, people forget May 18, 2018, there was a shooting in Santa Fe, Texas.

They breached the side door, just like just like with this shooting went in through the side door and killed 10 i think it's about 10 kids dan yeah yeah and yeah and here we are yeah yeah same thing you know what i mean and and it sickens me bro i'm so sick that there's 19 families now in my boat that's miserable forever that's never going to be the same you know i've been watching your interviews andrew and uh i i sincerely am very grateful for your time and i i i don't want to constantly i don't want to say open a wound because it never closes but i've been watching your interviews and you said something the other day you know that there's there's this sad uh I'm having a hard time

Andrew because I really I want to be delicate with my words given everything you've been through I know I know it's just I feel like it's my responsibility to not sound like an idiot you know um these parents you were saying how these parents are that you're never you're never going to get over this and it was just different than what I hear from some other people and other things and I think that's important to get out there that this pain just doesn't go away

I'm not going to sit here and spin your wheels no it never goes away I got goosebumps thinking about it right now just talking to you you know I see I have a shrine at my house with my daughter that's all i got and i pass it i look at it these emotions come through me i could just be anywhere you know and and i just start thinking about her and you know you you just live in a different world you

know i'm in a different world now than i was in i was very active when i was in Florida. You know, I had so many friends. I played lacrosse twice a week. I coached. You know, your life's never the same when something like this happens. It changes you. It takes half of my heart's gone, Dan. You know what I mean? It's never going to be. And I don't sugarcoat things for these other parents with it.

You know, what am I going to tell them? Yeah, it's going to take a little while. You'll feel better. You'll get back to your old, you know, you'll get back to the way it was. That's not truthful, you know, and I want to be truthful, you know, because to everyone, oh, well, how is it? Well, I'm happy that a lot of no one in the world is ever going to have to feel like I do. But the people that are going through it, there's nothing you can do for them. You know what I mean?

You can be there as a friend, but they're never going to be the same. Yeah. We're talking to Andrew Pollack, who tragically lost his beautiful daughter. Sorry. What am I? I'm just, I'm just, I'm sorry. I know her name. You get me choked up when I talk to you because it's really difficult to talk to you because

you're such a, I mean, really, I can't, I have two daughters, man. And I, like from the bottom of my heart, I can't even imagine how not only that you went through it, but how you still are an open voice. You talk to others about it. You, you, you, you didn't stop. Your daughter was dead and you went out there and you said, I'm not going to let, while you're grieving, you said, I'm not going to let this happen to anybody else. I'm going to go out. I'm going to meet with the governor and his task force, and we're going to change this damn thing. You know, your strength, man, is, I'm sorry, I got a little broken up there. Your strength is just admirable.

It's incredible. Well, thanks, because you know what? I got this angel on my shoulder, Dan. And I, you know what I mean? And I can honestly, in my heart, I did everything possible that I could do. You know, sometimes I take a step back. You know, even like what happened, I had to take a step back from it, doing it all the time. But I did a lot.

You know what I mean? I met with President Trump. He did a whole safety. You know, they didn't do. If it's not for me out speaking, the media takes control of this crap. They start with the gun control and nothing gets fixed. But what I say now to parents, OK, well, because I can't take the burden of everything no more. It's your responsibility, Dan.

You've got two daughters. It's your responsibility. As a parent, you drop your kid off at the school, right? You have to know that that school, no one's getting in. There's armed police at the school, and you're responsible. Like the parents in Texas, it's 2022. responsible like the parents in texas it's 2022 you know i i hate to say this but the parent if you can't just put the responsibility on the school district it's horrible parents tomorrow anyone that's listening dan do your homework drop your kids off wait 20 minutes after the bell rings

and go back to the school knock on a door, see if someone opens it and do your homework to make sure your kids are safe. It's your responsibility. I can't burn it for everybody no more. That's a good point, Andrew. I'm doing a whole show this weekend about it. I feel like it's really that important solutions to this. You know, one of the things, and I may have had this conversation with you privately in the past, it's frustrated me about this entire process is, you know, in, in my prior line of work where we were protecting, um, you know, presidents and heads of state, you know, that air quotes important people, right. Um, if something, God forbid, like this was to happen, where there was such a massive breach of security, like happened at Parkland and people died,

people died, Andrew, there would have been the secret service would be out of business they they would they'd turn it over to the fbi probably tomorrow they'd say you guys failed uh there'd be a massive autopsy of what happened there'd be changes instituted immediately there'd be a praetorian guard around the president until they can figure out what happened. But the strange thing about the kids is after kids die, even your daughter, what happens? You can predict by someone's political party affiliation exactly what they're going to say, and they don't give a damn about fixing anything to make the kids' lives more secure moving forward. Well, let me tell you something, though, different that happened in Florida. I think the first time I met you was in Fort Lauderdale. What's those dinners, the lobster dinner?

What do they call that? Yeah, the Lobster Fest. Lobster Fest. I met you that night, right? I met you there. We met. And I happened to meet Ron DeSantis that night. Okay. And Ron, he's great, man. Ron told me, you know, I was undecided that time. Ron was running and that Putnam was running. Okay. And I was undecided who I was going to get behind. Ron told me that night, he says, Andy, I'm going to hold these people accountable. Right. So I met with him.

I said, Ron, you're going to hold these local officials accountable. He goes, yes, I am. He says, well, I'm going to get behind you then. Right. I worked my ass off, Dan, to get help get Ron elected. What does Ron do the first week? to help get Ron elected. What does Ron do the first week?

He removes that piece of garbage, Sheriff Israel from office. That was a total failure. Remember that guy? Yes. He's hard to forget for all the wrong reasons. Yeah, so Ron held him accountable, right? He was gone. So something did change.

Then they put a grand jury investigation into the school district. And since that time. So the superintendent of Broward County, Runcie, was arrested on perjury, felony perjury charges, Dan. And also the deputy that didn't go in that day, Deputy Peterson, who hid behind the wall why he heard shots of children getting murdered and he hid there and didn't move for 40 minutes why my daughter got shot nine times he's been arrested on child endangerment and his trial people don't notice now they know the the coward of broward who hid he's his trial is set for mid-september in broward on felony charges and if he's held if he's found guilty he'll do jail time and he's getting a pension now of 110 000 a year for letting 17 people get murdered on on his watch so things did change no one you know you wouldn't know this most of your listeners wouldn't know these things, but my daughter was murdered.

So I happened to know everything that went on. Broward County lost at least 12,000 students in the public school system since the Douglas, since the shooting in Parkland. Wow. That's refreshing to hear that someone made you a promise who is a politician, which Andy, as you and I both know, usually means nothing and that they followed up. You know, the governor's got a reputation for that. I can speak to it personally myself. And that's refreshing to hear that he told you something and went and actually did it. He said, I'm for holding these officials. He didn't point the finger at anyone.

He says, I'm going to hold local officials accountable. And the first month when he called me and said, Andy, I'm coming down. We're going to, I want, this is a failed sheriff. We're going to remove him. It was unbelievable. He actually flew down. He had to have an emergency landing that day. His plane failed.

So we were like hours late. He came down to broward removed that sheriff and and you know that do you know he ran again in the next election and almost won in broward that that's how polluted broward is with uh with uh liberalism they almost put this guy back in office and you know he's working now he's the chief of police in Opelika in Miami, if you can believe it. They actually hired him. No, I can't. That I didn't know.

Yeah, that I didn't know. No, Andrew Pollard. I had to get out of there, Dan. That's why. But, you know, let me bring up. If anybody's earned the right to take a break, Andrew, believe me, it is you. You've been a warrior. Take a break.

I got a ranch now, Dan, in Oregon. I got cattle. I got goats. I'm working. I'm peaking busy. But something I'm proud of, I'm going to tell you what's going on in Florida, is my son, Hunter. Hunter is a – both my kids are amazing. But this, you know, Hunter is at FSU.

He barely graduated. He had to go to an alternative high school my son right so my daughter meadow gets murdered uh he wasn't even in college this light goes off he goes he starts going to palm beach uh there's a community college. He transferred to FSU. And now, I fast forward now, he's in his third year of law school, and he won. Now he's in the gubernatorial fellowship with DeSantis, and they pay his whole last year of law school. Nice.

Let's give a national shout-out to Hunter Pollack. Nice. That is a great story. I did not Andrew, I haven't spoken to you in a while. Folks, this is the first time me and Andrew have spoken in a long time. I did not know that. I need to get an update on that. That's great. Alternative school. So I told him, I said

son, if you want your father around, when you it's almost like tearing me up because it's unbelievable. So I told him you want your father around you when you graduate, you move somewhere up north Florida. Because if you move to Broward, I'm not coming back to Florida. But if you move somewhere in your neck of the woods where it's better,

I'm coming back to Florida and I'll bounce back and forth. Andrew, I got to run. The computer's going to cut us off. Yeah, I'm so sorry. You're probably one of the best guests we've ever had. You're a good friend. God bless you, sir. I got to run, though.

Thanks, Andrew. Take care. You got it. Take care. All right, folks, I got to take a break before the computer shuts us down. We'll be right back. Up next, we talk with Jeff James. Jeff James is a friend of mine, former colleague from the Secret Service.

He's an expert in physical security. He was a good man when I worked with him. He knows his stuff. Folks, I got to tell you, there's one interview you've listened to all year. Despite all the big names we've had, this is it. He talked about how to prevent another school mass shooting like we saw

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to 989898 and secure the gains you made while you can. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. Message and data rates apply. Here's Jeff James, a friend and former colleague, about how to proceed after the tragedy in Texas. I want to introduce to you a friend of mine. You may have seen him on my Fox News show. He was on Fox before, former Secret Service agent and an expert in these

physical security matters. Jeff James. Jeff, welcome to the radio show. Thanks for having me, Dan. Sure. Well, you and I have a lot of work history together you're a great guy and you're an actual expert on this I can vouch for him personally so Jeff I wanted to talk about you know fixes and things we can do to try to mitigate this threat you know I explained to the audience even in our prior line of work we can never guarantee someone's not going to try to assassinate the president but what we did in our line of work is we made it really damn hard and I just wonder why that conversation doesn't happen about schools. It

always turns to dopey political fix. Let's pass a bill. And one of the things I thought about is, you know, SROs, school resource officers, you know, we have billions of dollars we just gave to schools for all kinds of COVID things. Having an armed security officer there, it doesn't mean this stuff isn't going to happen, but in your professional opinion, do you think it makes a difference? Absolutely. The first thing I will tell you in my experience with consulting with school districts, the first thing that needs to be gotten rid of is the denial that this kind of thing is going to happen. I will go to school districts as a consultant, and I also deal with private businesses, and I will literally hear people say,

it's never going to happen here. And look, there's almost 200,000 public schools in America. By the time you add in parochial schools, charter schools, and private schools, you're well over 200,000. There aren't going to be 200,000 school shootings. But to think with everything we've seen that you are immune to it is wrong. So the first thing that needs to be gotten rid of is the denial. And you're right. The second thing is we need to harden these places. An interesting article that I read today by a former colleague of ours, Don Mihalik, talked about, yeah, that you don't see this in inner city schools. Because what do inner city schools do? They're big brick buildings with armed guards and metal detectors.

So you're not seeing this kind of thing happen very much in inner city unless it's a targeted attack, you know, one gang against another. But, you know, these bad guys do research, too. We've seen that in these previous shootings that they will intentionally look for soft targets. So if you're not doing the things, layered security, the ability to deny access to people who come up and just push the buzzer and say, hey, I want to come in, hardening your glass. And look, we know security can be expensive and it can be inconvenient. But if you're not putting some kind of layers in place, you're just you're setting yourself up for failure. We're talking to Jeff James, former colleague of mine, Secret Service agent and an expert in school security is since retired from the Secret Service. Jeff, you know, I don't know

if I was in T.S. I know, you know, you were I was a wheel man. You were you counter surveillance? Yes, you. I was. Yeah. So, you know, a lot about surveilling and counter surveilling and everything. When I was in T.S., we had an adage. I don't know if you heard of it, especially on in towns, in town trips. The guys would say, you know, listen, you want to be in the motorcade the day after they try to kill the president. Because the day after, let me tell you something, there ain't nothing that's going to happen the day after it. And I just bring that up because you're right. It's this apathy out there that, oh, it's never going to happen here. That leads to things like this. And granted, neither one of us is saying that out of the 300 000 schools thank the lord that this is a mass epidemic across the country it's not but the point

is it's like saying don't change the oil on a plane because there's only a one a thousand chance it may crash like i'm not willing to take that chance because the penalty is death so this is the kind of thing where we have the assets to do this and the security solutions are out there and we should be taking them and digesting them. I mean, give me some other things like man traps, you know, blueprints for the cops, things I've done. These are all things we can do right now. Like the technology's there and it's not even that expensive. Right. Something as simple as configuring your lobby so that you have a captured entrance. So if somebody gets through that first door, say, you know, the person who's giving admittance is the secretary, right? Somebody

pushes the button and says, hey, I'm here to pick up my kid. They come through that first door. And at that point, the secretary sees something untoward. That way they're trapped in there. They would need to be granted access through that second door before they could gain entry to the building. And look, they can shoot through the glass and walk through like Lanza did at Sandy Hook. But what that does is buy some time. And the other thing I advocate in all schools I coordinate security with is anyone in your school district should be able to call a lockdown. I don't care if it's a maintenance guy, if it's a secretary, if it's a superintendent. They should have a mechanism in place where if your maintenance guy sees a guy walking across your parking lot with a rifle,

he should be able to hit a button on his phone or get to a hard button or something and let everybody know to lock down right now. Because if that secretary sees it, but she has no mechanism to fix the problem, then it's still a failure. but she has no mechanism to fix the problem, then it's still a failure. So, yeah, there are some low-cost solutions that are sustainable that can be put in place. And, look, you get it, too. We talked about, you know, the armored glass is heavy and it's hard and it's extremely expensive, but it doesn't need to be all that. There are other mitigations, other things you could put in place that are almost cost-free, and the biggest one is

training. And you've heard me hit this button before. It has to be a consistent, constant thing that you're doing in your district several times a year to train your people to say, not only this is what we're looking for if we see a guy with a gun, but this is what we're looking for in behaviors. Now, people don't just snap. In every one of these school shootings, what always comes out, their social media, that they glorified Hitler, that they glorified Columbine. There is a clear pattern of behavior that leads people to the path toward violence, that if you know what you're looking for, it's easy to see. Jeff, you know the saddest part about this is you were literally just on my Fox show this past weekend

after Buffalo giving people practical measures in the case of an active shooter scenario. And you're here again. For as much as I love talking to you, you're a good friend, I really hate talking to you under these circumstances. It's really, it's so unbelievably sad. But I'm glad you brought, there's one point there. So you say, so I had a bunch of questions planned. I haven't

got to one yet because you keep saying so many interesting things. One of the things you said, I want to highlight to the audience in our prior line of work, you are not guaranteeing someone's not going to attack the president or target violence. Just like in schools, there's nothing, there is no bill that's going to stop a kid with a psychopathological disorder all the time from trying to kill people you're not what you can do is you can buy time time buys you the power to think the power to think gives you the opportunity in the fog of war to make a decision and the decision enables you to live so that's where a school security officer comes in is it is the guy's not be He-Man. He's not Batman.

There's a good chance that he may, sadly, or she, get killed. But again, if they engage the target, it buys you time. A man-trap door, you described, buys you time. A simple act, and I'd like you to get into this because you mentioned it on my show this past weekend, of locking a door can buy you time too because what did you find out about locked doors in your research on this?

Yeah, so it's one of the things I brought up last week that, um, now I don't know, it looks like the pattern still holds up in yesterday's incident, but no child has died in a school shooting if they were behind a locked door, unless they were injured before they got behind the door. Um, so look, these people don't want, and the exception is unless it's a targeted act, like if it's a workplace shooting and you were the boss who fired me and I'm coming to find you, I might try to shoot my way through that door if I know you're in your office. But if I'm deranged and all I want is a high body count, I'm not going to waste the time trying to get through a locked door when I can find a target rich environment where people are in the halls or people in a playground or in the cafeteria.

So, yeah, getting behind a locked door and hiding and staying quiet, we have found that that is, in these incidents, a true lifesaver. You see, folks, this is what actual solutions oriented guys sound like. Jeff's not running for office, OK? He's not looking for your vote this is real stuff another thing you said um and jim we got to put this interview on the podcast weekend show because i need everyone to hear this this is really critical stuff you always emphasize the value of you've got to practice now remember our prior line of work right you're doing a four man shift with the shift leader we used to do pdtT, protective detail training. It's like a ballet,

right, Jeff? You're the number one. You go here, then you go there to the point where when the president moves, you just know where to go. You don't think. You just go. And there's not a hole in that security. But he's got 360 coverage all the time. You can't expect a bunch of nine and 10 year olds to watch a video once and then just expect to know what to do. I know it's traumatic. We both get that. But you know what's more traumatic? Them not knowing what to do. God forbid that deranged lunatic shows up at their school.

Right. And you know, another point I always make to people when I'm blessed and fortunate enough that people invite me out to teach my class. Do you know the last time a child died in a school fire in America? It was December 1st, 1958. It was the Our Lady of the Angels School in Chicago. The fire breaks out. And I'll make the long story short.

The nuns pretty much said, hey, let's just stay here. The firemen will rescue us. Well, that went tragically wrong. Ninety-two pupils and three nuns lost their lives. At that point was when they started to mandate changes about the biggest thing is fire drills, monthly fire drills. Now, you'll take a kindergartner who starts school in September. By Christmas, they've been through three or four fire drills, and they would know where to go if the teacher wasn't in the room and the fire alarm still goes off.

It doesn't mean they're not scared. It means they've learned a pattern. You can't really train elementary students like you can high school kids to react to these kind of shootings, but you can have a little touch points with them that say, Hey, we're going to practice. We're going to practice where to hide if a bad guy gets in here. Or I used to tell the gym teachers, if you have a wood line around your school, play a game a couple of times at the beginning of the year with a kid saying, Hey, I'm going to time you running to the wood line and back. See who does it in under a minute. So if that shooter is outside while those kids are outside for recess or for gym class,

and someone says run to the wood line and hide in the wood line, they know where to go. They've heard it a couple of times. So while we can't train them to the level of adults, we can certainly give them touch points that they can pull on again in the future in those moments of high stress and high anxiety and fear. So valuable. Jeff, last question. We're talking to Jeff James. Folks, if you're out there in a school, look him up. Former Secret Service agent, colleague of mine. The man's expertise is just invaluable. I had a few ideas I put out. I just want to throw by you. I mentioned him on my podcast earlier. You know, things we used to do in the, in the secret service, right? I always carry door chocks.

I know you probably use them too. Why? Because they're simple. If you lock a door and you throw a, you know, a triangular piece of wood that costs you a nickel, the door's a whole lot harder to open with a door chalk. You know, these are, what does it cost? I mean, seriously, a buck, you can get a door chalk for a dollar, giving blueprints to the local police department so they have it in advance so when that SWAT team, God forbid, gets there, they're not looking for rooms. A lot of them have already done this work, but

it doesn't hurt to ask, hey, you guys need the blueprints? We'd like you to have them. Fencing around the school, cameras, these are all practical things you can do, right? Yeah, and not only practical, but simple. So think of what you already have at a school. You have a woodshop. That woodshop teacher in one class can make, even if you have a giant school district with a thousand doors, can make you a thousand door chalks in a week very easily. You don't even have to pay for it. You got the stuff there already.

You can use scrap wood. The other part about marking the rooms, you know, just get to the copy machine and make an eight and a half by 11 sign that you're putting on the exterior of a room so that when the SWAT team rolls up and they say, all right, we're looking for room 106, it's very easy to identify. Yeah, these things have, you know, look, I get it. This stuff is frightening. They don't want to scare kids, but it's the life-saving part. I still hear people say another thing with the it'll never happen here is the part about, well, you know, people get anxiety being around guns. We don't know if we want police walking around. You know, we need to be cognizant of what people fear.

Well, I tell you what, I guarantee, I gosh darn guarantee that all those parents in not just yesterday, but any of these events would have rather had good guys with guns in that building yesterday than anything else, than any other asset they could have had, whether it was a counselor or whether it was an authoritarian administrator. None of those were going to solve that problem yesterday. And not that those folks aren't valuable in this system of education that we have, but in yesterday's problem that we saw, that was not going to solve the problem. Yeah. Jeff, I got to run, but I agree with your point. These kids will figure it out. They understand. I mean, how many kids have we protected in our time? Kids are protectees. They're around men with guns and security plans all the time. I never heard one of them be like,

oh my gosh, I'm so traumatized. They love it. So they'll adjust. They totally get it. We've done this before. Jeff James, thanks so much for your time. You're an invaluable voice in tragic times like this. Thanks for your practical tips. We appreciate it.

I appreciate it, Dan. Thanks for having me on. You got it. You got it, folks. Jeff James, look him up. Former Secret Service agent, good friend, good man. Practical stuff to try and fix this. That was Jeff James.

I told you it was going to be a powerful interview. Spread that around. Some good tips in there. Up next, we talk to Dinesh D'Souza about his blockbuster film, 2000 Mules. And importantly, it's an update. Because of all the attacks on him, he had to come back and address all the liberal nonsense. Let me get to our next sponsor first. We talked to the great Dinesh D'Souza

about his critically important new movie, 2000 Mules. We've been encouraging you to go check out with an open mind, the movie 2000 Mules. It is a thorough evisceration of the 2020 was the safest election in human history bs we've been hearing from the left over and over again uh we've had dinesh d'Souza on a couple times we wanted to invite him back to address the apparently coordinated assault against this movie to prevent you from seeing the truth so dinesh d'Souza welcome back to the show hey dan it's a pleasure

thanks for having me. Of course. Well, it's important to have you. I like you as a friend, but, you know, listen, my brother, this is not charity. This is an important mission you have undertaken to expose some what appears to be severe malfeasance in the 2020 election. Geotracking what appear to be ballot mules going to election harvesting centers, collecting ballots and dropping them off at drop boxes. Now, since this film has been a runaway success and 2000 mules dot com, if you would like to see it, you have been under just relentless assault. So I wanted to give you the opportunity to address some of the hacks who've been attacking you.

Dinesh, one of the first things they say is this geo-tracking where you track these mules to ballot boxes using their cell phones. Ah, that's just not accurate. It's not even accurate to 100 feet. We don't know where they went. How do you answer that? Well, if it was not accurate to within 100 feet, it'd be really difficult for an Uber driver to know exactly how to pick up a customer. You know, if you go into a field, I mean, take your phone and just toss it into some tall grass, right, and then go to find my phone, which is basically geotracking. If you're not going to get within 30 feet, it'll take you straight to your phone. The CDC is using geotracking.

CDC is using it to verify if people are social distancing. So think about that. If geotracking were not accurate to within six feet, how would it be useful to the CDC? Yeah. As you note, I read your lengthy back and forth with the hapless Philip Bump from the Washington Post. Philip Bump, who seems consistently confused by the science there,

they seem to claim that this is inaccurate, but you note that even Supreme Court Justice, Chief Justice of the United States, John Roberts in the Supreme Court hearing there is noted that it's the equivalent of basically an ankle monitor. And a bump seems to come back with this just unscientific assertion that there's just no way to ascertain where a potential mule went by tracking the phone. Dinesh, this really seems like, I'd say grasping at straws, but there's not even straws there. This is just a desperate attempt to make this data go away because it's an inconvenient narrative for them, isn't it? Well, even if you take his number, his argument still fails. Because, in fact, somebody said the other day on social media, they were kind of picking up on Philip Bump. They go, Dinesh, listen, you know, if I can place you within 30 feet of a gay bathhouse and another one, another one, are you going to be OK if I say that you're a frequenter of gay bathhouses? And I and I respond to listen, if over a two week period you can find my cell phone within 30 feet of more than 10 gay bathhouses,

you're pretty safe in concluding I'm a regular customer. Right. Dinesh, I want to be clear about this, too. These mules that appear in the movie from the geotracking to be moving from ballot-harvesting NGO centers to ballot boxes, it was not—you had a very strict criteria. I can't say this enough. The left keeps winking and nodding that, oh, this could have been just a few Joe blows

who took their grandma's ballot to the box. No, no, no. Unless they had 10 grandmas and went to 10 different ballot boxes. Am I if I'm wrong, correct me. They did not show up in your very strict criteria as to what you categorize in the film as a mule. Yes. To be really clear, the the high bar that you have to jump to even be counted as one of these 2000 mules, you have to go to 10 or more drop boxes.

these 2,000 mules, you have to go to 10 or more drop boxes. In addition, you have to go to five or more of these left-wing vote stash houses. So if someone's just leaving their home with a bunch of ballots, first of all, there's a reason not to go to more than one drop box, right? Why not put all your family's ballots in one box? You don't need to go from box to box, let alone in the middle of the night, let alone wearing latex gloves, let alone taking photos of the ballots going in. All of that makes no sense if someone is just dropping off ballots for the family. So I think when you see the movie as a totality, you realize just the outright absurdity of the claim that people are just dropping off, quote, family ballots.

of the claim that people are just dropping off quote family ballots we're talking to dinesh desuza please check out his movie 2000 mules it's the number it's not spelled out it's the number two zero zero zero mules dot com two thousand mules dot com you will never look at the 2020 election the same way dinesh let's hit some other uh some more of their nonsense uh you you the whistleblower who true the vote had gotten a hold of it claimed that in order to get paid for dropping off these ballots which would be illegal i might add um you had to take some picture at the ballot box so you see that in some of the videos some of these photos now again some of these left-ers have said, well, that was just people taking pictures of voting. You know, and I first heard that. I said, oh, all right. Well, sounds about right.

They leave out, of course, the fact that these people were geotracked to be included in the movie to nine other ballot boxes. But how do you answer that? Oh, no, no. They were just taking pictures of voting because they were just so happy to be voting that day. I mean, it does happen. Yeah. So, you know, so Philip Bump initially, I think, had the idea that the taking of the photos was the sole way that we were insisting that the mules got paid. But that's not the case. What I told him was, look, a whistleblower called into the to the vote hotline and he said, I'm paid ten dollars a ballot. I got even more in the runoff.

And they understood the vote. Guys were like, are you the only guy? And he's like, are you kidding? It's a whole operation. All of us are being paid. So in other words, this was directly coming from an informant. And then Truth of Vote goes, okay, why don't we buy the geotracking data in the greater Atlanta area, and let's see if we can document the magnitude of this operation. So the whistleblower was who kicked it off.

Now, obviously, the whistleblowers in hiding doesn't want his name to be known. That's why I didn't put him in the movie, is because he's anonymous. But the evidence for the payments comes from the whistleblower, and it's then supported by the fact these guys are taking pictures. By the way, they're not taking pictures of themselves. It's not like a selfie with like one of those I voted stickers. They're only taking photos of the ballots going in the box so what's the explanation for that yeah and by the way if you were so proud to be voting they would typically go to a voting location not drop it off at a ballot box and i mean it just seems quite odd one of the other

criticisms i i saw from philip bump um and is that, well, you don't have a lot of video in the film. There's just, you know, the geo tracking for them, it's good enough for, you know, again, attacking people who were there on January 6th, the lefties, but it's not good enough for this case. They said they're just making that up, but they say you don't have enough video of ballots go into multiple boxes. So how do you answer that? The criticism of 2000 mules? Yeah, this is a key point. It was also raised by Ben Shapiro. And my answer is this. If the states did their job and you had video at all the drop boxes, you would be able to see the mules at every single drop box. The problem is that even, I mean, some whole states did not take video at all. Other places

like Arizona turned videos off for some reason. Some of the video cameras aren't even pointed at the drop box. They're like pointed at a tree or something else. So what you have is a situation is something like this. It's like a serial killer who's gone to five different homes and killed people and left actually his DNA. Obviously, in this case, it's digital DNA, the DNA of your cell phone, unmistakably placing you at those locations. But only one of the five homes has a camera. And so sure enough, you can tell from the geo tracking, the guy got to the home at 2 a.m. in the morning. You look at the camera at exactly

that moment. There he is. So it's no objection to that to say, well, wait a minute, how come I don't see video of him at the other homes? Well, that's because there weren't any cameras at those places. But he can nevertheless be unmistakably placed there because his phone was there we're talking to Dinesh D'Souza about his uh just eye-opening new film 2000 mules 2000 mules.com 2000 mules.com where you can get information about where you can see buy this film watch this film pick up the dvd spread it around. Everyone needs to see it. Dinesh, one of the other criticisms, which I find patently absurd, especially given the fact that the left for four years took the word of a foreign spy who claimed

there was a pee pee tape that never existed. So that was good enough to write an endless series of stories to impeach, you know, try to impeach a president. It's just embarrassing how the left, you know, that's just going to get me upset. But they say you're a whistleblower in the movie who came forward and was what started this investigation. Oh, you're just taking his word for it. Don't you find that kind of strange? Again, the whole Russian collusion

thing was based on a farcical set of lies from a guy who had no facts or evidence to back it up. You produce video geo tracking data and a whistleblower to back up your assertions. And yet you find yourself on the relentless assault from left wing goons. I mean, think about this. I didn't even put the whistleblower in the movie that shows you how much weight I gave to the whistleblower. What happens is whenever you're solving a crime, you know this as well as anyone else, you develop a hypothesis. And so the whistleblower was helpful in saying, this is what happened to me. He might have been lying. Now, if he was lying, the geo-tracking would not have found the mules because there obviously was nothing going on. But through the

vote, just use the whistleblower to sort of test a hypothesis. A hypothesis was tested both through the cell phone geo-tracking and through the video, the surveillance video confirmation. And it's only the actual evidence, not the whistleblower, that ends up in the film, 2000 Muse. By the way, let me say, Dan, this movie is going into 400 theaters this weekend. And it's going to be normal showings four times a day.

So I would urge people to go. It's a whole different experience to see this thing in the theater with your friends, with your group. And if we do well in the theater this weekend, boy, we'll be in even more theaters next weekend. Well, the movie's been an unbelievable success. Everybody's talking about it. Where can they get those locations?

At 2000mules.com? They got the way they can see the movie. Right. Just go to the website and it'll link you to Fandango and these ticket sites. You put in your zip code, boom, the theater will come up near you. Buy the ticket at Fandango. Go see the movie. So it's very easy.

This is not a case where you have to buy a virtual ticket orandango, go see the movie. So it's very easy. This is not a case where you have to buy a virtual ticket or something. Just go to the website, click on movie tickets, and you'll be set to go this weekend. Okay. One, Dinesh, one, the, listen, the criticisms of the movie, again, are absurd. They're absurd. I got just a few minutes left with you, but the attacking geo-tracking, which is used by law enforcement the military to kill people and saying it's not it's just dumb it makes you look silly by even saying that but the only criticism i found mildly compelling at all and by mildly believe me i mean mildly was they say at one point well you know the the the ballot mules going up there with it with gloves

on rubber gloves on and disposing them. Well, they may have been concerned about COVID. Again, I emphasize the mild and mildly. But how do you respond to that? Like, it could have been a COVID thing. They were just freaked out about touching a ballot box. How do you address that? You know, so initially the fact checker said, well, Dinesh, you've got to remember,

it was really cold. And then I pointed out, these aren't woolen gloves, they're latex gloves. So then they switched to the COVID explanation. Now, here's the key point. As you know, in a case, you always have to match the facts to see which fits the facts well. Right now, basically all the way through Election Day 2020, if you look at the videos of mules, no gloves.

But in the Georgia runoffs in the middle of December, suddenly gloves start appearing. And so the question becomes, why then? As it turns out, right at that point, there was an indictment in Arizona in which the FBI busts a ballot trafficking scheme, makes arrests, and it turns out that they were able to nab these people because they left fingerprints on multiple ballots. And immediately the word goes out to the mules, start wearing gloves. So when you put these facts together, no gloves before, I think it's December 22nd, gloves appear after December 23rd. That's a far more precise explanation for what you see than just chanting COVID. Folks, I can't encourage you. I hate the Washington Post. It's a ridiculous, absurd left-wing

outlet, but if you read the back and forth between the hapless Philip Bump and Dinesh, you will see Dinesh D'Souza conclusively wins the argument, wins the day. Dinesh, the movie's great. Folks, it's 2,000 mules, the number, 2000mules.com.

You can catch it in movie theaters this weekend. Pick up the DVD. Spread the word. We the movie theaters this weekend, pick up the DVD, spread the word. We can't let this happen again. Dinesh, thanks for doing the movie and I will definitely have you back. Give us an update on this. Thanks a lot.

I look forward to it. Thank you, Dan. You got it folks. 2000 mules.com. It's the most important thing you can do for this next election is to see what happened in the last one. 2000 mules.com. By the way, why know I got to run, Jim, but one more quick thing.

You notice how Dinesh has actual answers and liberals have nothing but false accusations? You notice that? Strange, right? We're always, they have no, you notice that? Answers, clear, concise, to the point. That's how we roll. That was Dinesh D'Souza with an update on the movie

You Gotta See, 2000 Mules. Ladies and and gentlemen the video geo tracking evidence in that movie of ballot harvesting at these NGOs ballot harvesting at these ballot boxes it's just stunning I'm hearing there's some investigations that may come out of it this is really good news we need elections that are open and free and easy to vote in but super hard to cheat in we always appreciate you listening on the special Sunday podcast we put together for you. It's been one year on the radio too, can't believe it. If you want to listen to the radio, check us out. We're on over 300 radio stations.

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