The Dan Bongino Show - The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 07/24/22

Episode Date: July 24, 2022

First up, we talked with Newt Gingrich about the current administration and how it differed from when Newt was Speaker and Bill Clinton was President, also talked about his new book Defeating Big Government Socialism. Next up is Colorado Representative Lauren Boebert, on what’s going on in Congress, and learn all about her life as she recounted it in her book My American Life. Then a great interview with former Yankees pitcher Ron Guidry on what it was like to be part of some of the greatest Yankee teams that ever played. Finally we talked with Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton talking about why Dr. Fauci has suddenly decided to retire, and the latest on Hunter Biden’s legal troubles. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and to learn more about this great American company. First up today in the interview show, we talked with former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, how things were different when he was running the House of Representatives and Bill Clinton was in charge. It was a different time. We talked about his new book, Defeating Big Government Socialism, and he has an amazing, amazing plan to take back the house i really enjoyed this interview check this out

honored to welcome to the show former speaker of the house and a great republican mr newt kingridge mr speaker thanks for joining us we appreciate it well i'm delighted i i love watching you on fox and i'm delighted to have a chance to be on your show. Well, thank you. You have a new book out we're going to get to called Defeating Big Government Socialism. Certainly a topic I'm interested in. I want to get to that. Just a couple of questions for you. I mean, nobody's studied the political scene in greater detail than you and lived it about the current political scene. Now, this trip Joe Biden took our president over to Saudi Arabia, Mr. Speaker, was a total disaster. I mean, a flop on every front. And I'd make the

case to you. I'd love to hear your opinion that it was actually counterproductive. He was better off doing nothing at all. The Iranians, after he came back, are now claiming they have the material to make a bomb. Gas and oil prices are still going up. The Saudis have said we're going to leave it up to OPEC, basically kissing the butt of the Russians. We have Joe Biden calling one of the Saudi ministers a liar about claiming he brought up Khashoggi. I mean, this was just not only not good, but it was just a genuinely bad experience for the United States.

Oh, I think that's right. I think that, first of all, the very idea that if you have a gas and oil problem, instead of going to Texas or North Dakota or Western Pennsylvania, you go to Saudi Arabia should tell you everything you need to know. Second, they have followed consistently John Kerry's strategy when he was Secretary of State of selling out to the Iranians. The Iranians know it. They know how weak Biden is, and they are ruthlessly taking advantage of it. And third, the Saudis just have to regard him with contempt. This is a guy who said he was going to make them a pariah state and then suddenly discovered that they actually have oil.

I mean, you have to wonder. Every once in a while, you're reminded that Joe Biden defines the word shallow. Yeah. We're talking to Newt Gingrich, author of the book out now, Pick It Up, Please, Defeating Big Government Socialism. On that topic, it's something that's fascinated me forever, Mr. Speaker. This seems to be the idea that we'll never die. It's a tragically serious topic, it's something that's fascinated me forever, Mr. Speaker. This seems to be the idea that we'll never die. It's a tragically serious topic, but sometimes I joke with the audience that socialism has a 100 percent success record of failure.

It has magically managed to fail every single time it's been tried. And yet it continues to pop up and return in academic circles and make its way into the political circles. Does this just show the power of the media control over the American populace to isolate and gaslight people from the truth about this deadly political ideology? I use that word deliberately. No, I think it goes back to the academic class, and here I would include the news media who are part of it,

and the fact that socialism is the one philosophy that gives them an excuse to have power over everybody else. They deeply resent the wealthy. They resent the successful. And this is their chance to have power. And so it keeps bouncing back because every generation, along come a bunch of professors and reporters and others who would love to have power over your life. And big government socialism is the excuse for them to have that power. So it's a vehicle more than anything.

But you having lived through the Republican Revolution when you took back Congress and having had to work with Bill Clinton, you know, you've seen the opposite approach with him, a guy who in the first term obviously tried the radical in the trenches. He gets crushed in the midterms. And then you and the Republicans in Congress pull him back and he leaves office with 60% approval. So is there a possibility for sanity in the future in the Democrat Party? I mean, you did it. You pulled them over to the same side. Well, first of all, we split the Democratic Party. I mean, part of the reason Hillary had trouble against Obama in 2008 was that the left hated her. And they didn't hate her because of Lewinsky.

They hated her because Bill sold out. And he was clear about it. I mean, I still remember being the Speaker of the House, you know, hosting the President of the United States for the State of the Union in 1996. And Clinton walks in and he gets up there and he says, the era of big government is over. Well, of course, I had to stand up and applaud. What are you going to do? And what happened was, and there are two big differences, other than the fact that Bill Clinton is extraordinarily smart.

I would argue he is smarter than Barack Obama and more practical. And he's about 20 times smarter than Joe Biden. But in addition, Clinton was from Arkansas. He'd been governor of a state dealing with a conservative state legislature. He understood the game. He had lost in 1980. He never wanted to lose again. He was very clear about this. And so when we won in 94, and then he had run as a centrist in 92. Remember, he was for ending welfare as we know it. He was for abortions being safe, rare, etc. I mean, he had all the right language down.

Then he comes in in 93, 94, the congressional Democrats, much like the current team, talk him into going to the left. The country repudiates it. And in June of 1995, Clinton's having a big meeting in the White House. In 1995, Clinton's having a big meeting in the White House, and he says to his staff with great anger, if I do what you want, I will be defeated next year. And I am not going to do that. I'm going to work with Newt, and we're going to get things done, and I'll get reelected. And, of course, that's what happened. I mean, the only four consecutive balanced budgets of your lifetime, Clinton and I did. Welfare reform, the biggest conservative social reform of your lifetime, Clinton and I did that.

I mean, we found a formula for working with each other. We spent 35 days together in the Cabinet Room writing the balanced budget. I mean, it was a knockdown drag out every day. But we both understood that the country was bigger than us and that we had an obligation to America. And the current generation has none of that. We were the last stand of the World War II. You know, you could argue, yes, that George W. Bush followed that. But then you got people who have no sense of holding together in a dangerous world, no sense of why patriotism matters, no sense of reaching beyond their own ego or their own ideology. And it's a very, very different environment.

We're talking to Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House and author of the book, Out Now, Defeating Big Government Socialism. Please check it out. Mr. Speaker, former speaker of the house and author of the book out now defeating big government socialism please check it out mr speaker uh that worries me number one i'm i'm fascinated by that era of our political history i talk about it all the time on the show my producer can vouch for me the bill clinton newt gingrich era fascinates me so much that speech is given by democrats democrats the era of big government is over you You would be thrown out of the party, tarred and feathered for even daring to tweet that these days. But what happened after two terms of losing to Ronald Reagan

and then losing to George H.W. Bush is you had the DLC, this Democrat leadership council, comes in and says, listen, this isn't a viable business plan for our party moving forward. And they try to center the party more. Bill Clinton personifies that in his second term working with you. I'm not sure that's possible anymore. I think with the Twitter outrage machine, I don't think that's even possible.

Well, it's not possible. And you saw the beginning of the breakdown with Al Gore. Gore, who, after all, had been Clinton's vice president, knew what Clinton was doing. And by the way, Tony Blair essentially follows Clinton's pattern and reorganizes the Labour Party in Great Britain. And he has the same end result. The left in Great Britain hates Tony Blair, just as the left in America hates Bill Clinton. And the reason is, and this is part of why I wrote Defeating Big Government Socialism, this is a value system. And these guys were heretics.

They were violating the core value system of the left. And I think that's why you get the kind of things happening that you saw. And it's very, very fascinating to me that, you know, the New York Times has become Pravda and the Washington Post has become as Vestia. And if you see the media as the active offensive wing of their team, then you're never confused by what's going on. Yeah. We're talking to Newt Ging author the book defeating big government socialism mr speaker tell us about the book obviously as i said opening up in this interview with you this is a persistent problem this generational battle with this deadly form of organization of government socialism and

it is deadly it accumulates body bags quicker than anything in human history so what is the key to defeating big government socialism is it it reorganizing on the activism side? Is it more pronounced voices in conservative media? What is the key? Well, I think it's connecting performance to policy. You know, Reagan had said at one point, it wasn't what liberals didn't know that scared him, it was what they knew that wasn't true.

And that's what you're up against. You're up against a belief system. So it's very important not just that we win, but that we win based on both performance and policy. And I'll give you an example. I think liberals cannot handle violence, whether it's criminals, terrorists, or foreign governments, because they all saw The Lion King and thought it was a documentary. And they think that lions and zebras sing and dance together. And we try to convince them that in fact, in the real world, lions eat zebras.

And they say, oh, no, that can't be true. I saw the movie. And the result is they follow policies that are, I don't think they're right or left. I think they're crazy. I mean, you release murderers back on the street, guess what? You're going to have a lot more crime. You encourage people to cross the border, give them a tax-paid cell phone, fly them anywhere in America they want to go, and then you wonder why more people show up.

Well, you know, what did you think was going to happen? And you just go through layer after layer of how sick their system is. And the key is to tie policy to performance. It's not just the performance itself, but it's the policy behind the performance. Yeah, putting meat on the bone again, Mr. Speaker. Last question, I'll let you go. Again, we're talking to Newt Gingrich. Defeating Big Government Socialism is the book.

That's great to say, and believe me, I appreciate the sentiment. I try to do it on this show and my Fox show all the time. But how exactly? Is it repetition? Is it just using our megaphones and our channels to highlight it more? And are we just is the rhetoric poor? Are we just doing a bad job at it? No, no, no. We are doing a bad job on it because we don't connect the two. If you if you always connect policy to performance, you begin to change things. And it's pretty simple. You go stand next to a gas station and say, had enough.

And it's pretty simple. You go stand next to a gas station and say, had enough. This is a this is a result of bad policies. Now, the person who's the model for all this is Margaret Thatcher, who in 1975, when she became opposition leader, said publicly she was going to destroy socialism as an alternative. And she did. No left wing labor leader has won the prime ministership in 40 years. And I think we have a chance to do the same here, not just beat Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, but beat the entire set of ideas they represent, which are destructive ideas, which cannot possibly work. Okay, now I need the book. Can you have your people send me a book? I'll buy it.

You'll get it. I'm kidding, Mr. Fahey. I can't afford messing with you. I'm going to go to my website. I'm going to get it now. We're talking to Newt Gingrich. He's the author of Defeating Big Government Socialism. I'm not kidding.

You piqued my interest. Now I'm going to read this thing. Mr. Speaker, I know you're busy. Thanks a lot for coming on. We really appreciate it. Great. Enjoyed talking to you. Thanks a lot. Likewise. I have a speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich. Listen, folks, he he's not kidding. I mean, the proof is in the pudding.

He lived there, lived this entire experience in the trenches with Bill Clinton. Go back and look at that era and that Democrat Party compared to what we're living with now. So I'm going to pick that up. Defeating big government socialism. There you go. You like that, Jim? Hey, can you send me a go? I'm kidding, folks. I'll pick one up. That was former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Up next, we talk with one of my favorite representatives in Congress, Congresswoman Lauren Boebert. Here's Colorado Representative Lauren Boebert on what's going on in Congress, Congresswoman Lauren Boebert. Here's Colorado Representative Lauren Boebert on what's going on in Congress behind the scenes, how the conservative movement's doing in Congress, and learned a little bit about her life as she recounted in her book,

My American Life. It's a really great story. Check it out. Listen, let's just be honest. Nobody does it better than the Babylon Bee. Nobody. Nobody does satire better. Jim, did you see this headline? Babylon Bee, July 18th. Shocking photo emerges. Shows Hunter Biden fully clothed and not smoking crack. You got to see the picture. Oh, my gosh. Seth over there.

I don't know who you hired to write these headlines, but they're hilarious. All right, let me not waste any more time. Really excited about this interview. Welcoming to the show, Congresswoman and definitely not a rhino, a fighter for the conservative cause, Lauren Boebert. Congresswoman, thanks for joining us. Dan, it's so great to be on here. And I saw that meme earlier, too, from the Babylon Bee. It was fantastic. I don't know who was writing their headlines, but give them a raise instantly. They deserve the

Congressional Medal of Honor there. Or at least give them their Twitter back. Goodness. Yeah, yeah. They deserve it. I got a lot of smiles out of it. But Jim keeps me updated during the show. He loves the Bee. So you have a book out. It's called My American Life. I want to get to that. I'm going to discuss the book, what's in the book, why you wrote it.

But if you wouldn't mind, I just want to kind of probe your mind here about a couple of things. You ran. You won. I ran for office. I didn't win. So there's something you did right that I didn't do. And there are a couple of primaries going on today in Maryland that are important. And I opened up my show today talking about the importance of I get it. We've got to win races with good candidates. But Congresswoman, I think the second most important question is the candidate who focus groups tell you can win. The most important question is who actually believes in our ideas. I mean, we've got this growing class of rhinos in

D.C. are living with them every day, a lot of them up on Capitol Hill that are destroying the brand of our party and giving a watered down version of what conservatism actually is. Yes. And that's exactly who our representative was in my district. And that's why I stepped up to run. had to actually educate the voters on why positions were bad, because most people did believe that our representative, our congressman, was a conservative, that he voted right, that he was just quiet and sweet and didn't do much to rock the boat, but he voted right. And I had to bring his voting record to them and show them, these are not our policies. Voting for amnesty is not our policies. It's not going to bill. It's tucked away in there, but here it is, and it's his vote.

So I spent a lot of time going throughout my district and meeting with people one-on-one, a lot of opposition in the way. I was up against the establishment. I was up against the GOP, but I brought out new voters also. In my primary. Voters are rated from zero to four. If you voted for the four previous elections, then you're a four. And if you haven't been here, zero. And I brought out the zeros and the ones people who don't vote. I reached out to those forgotten voters like President Trump did.

But but, Dan, you're right. We have to get the right people up here. I am so tired of voting Democrat-lite. The only way, I don't vote that way, the Republicans vote that way, some Republicans vote that way, but the only way we lose the midterm is if we start acting like Democrats, making excuses, passing infrastructure bills for the Democrats, where only nine percent of one point nine trillion dollars goes to anything infrastructure related. That that vote frustrated me so bad, Dan, as it did you. We knew that they were going to bring the five trillion dollar bill back better with it. And and still 13 Republicans said, Democrats, you can't pass this on your own, but we'll pass it for you.

Democrats didn't even pass a kidney stone at that time. Yeah, I know. And I, because we have a rule on this show that we don't allow squishes, Jim and Mike and I were very careful to compile the list and let everybody know who those people were. And one of them I actually liked very much personally, but I'm not here to make friends. You want to make friends?

Get a freaking dog. That's not this show. We don't do that. This show's about advancing conservatism. You want a friend? Go get a kitten or whatever. You can play furry time. That's not what we do here. We're not screwing around. We're here to preserve this constitutional republic. Yeah, we have

a country to save. You're damn right. You just said a couple things I want to highlight. I swear, it's like you listened to this show. said about voter scores and stuff i want to get to that but give us the inside scoop you're up there on capitol hill are the the squishes and the establishment phonies are they freaking out about 2022 and i say that because this is going to be i think a historic uh historically good election for us But the problem for the establishment GOP, as you well know, being up there, is if now there's some play because we're the majority party, the Republicans, after 2022, and yet the Freedom Caucus, people like you who vote

conservative, grows, people like you and like-minded Congresswoman Boebert can all of a sudden dictate the path of the republican party going forward is that freaking them out a little bit i i think they know that and that's why they are getting involved in primaries um all over uh the nation because the freedom caucus is getting involved um through the house freedom uh fund and other members are getting involved in these primaries making sure we have true conservatives, people who will actually read the Constitution, will debate the Constitution with us, look at the constitutionality of everything that we are doing up here. And it's more often than not, the establishment endorses the other candidate, opposite of what

the Freedom Caucus members are endorsing. And so they do know that we will have influence and we will be able to direct a lot of what this conference does if those numbers land correctly and we get the right amount of people up here. So every single one of us, I truly believe we came up here with the mission, the squishes included, with the mission to actually fix problems and say, you know, I don't like the way things are going up there. I can make it better. But then you get here and then the people who have already been here say, well, this is how we do it here. So just go along with it and do it this way. Well, Dan, I didn't like the way things were being run in Washington, D.C. That's

why I came here. So I'm certainly not going to come here and say, yeah, tell me everything you've been doing and I'll continue doing that. No way. I'm here to do something completely different, shake it up and actually take a stand for our country. You think that's what made you a target early on? I mean, they've been relentless in their assault on you. It's outrageous. Like every single word you say where you put a comma and a period gets parsed. I mean, they've been relentless in their assault on you. It's outrageous. Like every single word you say where you put a comma and a period gets parsed. I mean, you're like public enemy number one up there. You think that's the reason why you don't just play the company card? Yeah.

So it's because I'm speaking truth loudly and boldly. I run my mouth and I give God glory. And the Democrats especially hate that. They say that they're the party of women, they're the party of minorities. And I should be one of them. But I learned that there is a different way. In fact, in my book, My American Life, I talk about being raised as a Democrat. My mom believed those lies, that their policies are how you advance in life, that how you sustain in life and take care of your children.

But really, it puts you in a cycle of poverty. And I learned at 15 years old when I started working at McDonald's that with my first paycheck that I received first, I didn't like FICA because he was taking all my money. And I'm still trying to figure out exactly who he is and where that's going. But also, I learned that I could do a better job taking care of myself than government did. So with my upbringing, I should be a Democrat. I should be one of them. And they hate that I'm not.

They hate that I was able to break free of that cycle and get out of it and actually be able to provide for myself and my family and create opportunities for other people signing the fronts of paychecks. And, you know, it is interesting that they go over the – they try to dumb me down as much as they can. Hey, I came out swinging saying I got a GED. So I'm not an Ivy League scholar, but, you know, they still try to. But you didn't fall – but I want to note, you didn't fall for the pee-pee tape hoax. So who's really the idiot in the room, you know, they still try to. But you didn't fall. But I want to note, you didn't fall for the pee pee tape hoax. So who's really the idiot in the room? You know? And by the way, liberals are busy on their search engine right now searching FICA. They have that

they're searching F-I-I-K-A going, who's FICA? They're doing that right now. So really, who's the idiot? We're talking to congresswoman lauren bobert author of a new book my american life so so tell me about the book what really inspired you to write it is it is it the story is it political lessons is it all the above do you tell the story of your campaign because your campaign you know you you caused a lot of trouble for the establishment they were like oh my gosh she had this campaign ad with a gun on and he said oh my gosh, that's the craziest thing I've ever seen. I remember all the controversy over that. Tell us about the book. Yes. So that that's absolutely in there. My campaign is in there. My, my childhood, my upbringing, um, just, just how, um, really, uh, how, how normal my, my upbringing

was, but also there, there was a lot of experience in there. Um, uh, there was a lot of experience in there. There was a lot of abuse. There was alcohol abuse and drug abuse by family members and physical abuse and, you know, standing in line for bread and government cheese. And then, you know, realizing later in life I refused to be a victim. I refused to look at those circumstances and make excuses of why I can't be better than the experiences I had as a child. So all of that, meeting my husband, we have four boys together, and I talk about them, and some of them made wild entrances into the world. I delivered one of my sons in the front of my Ford pickup truck on the way to the hospital.

So we share all about this stuff. Not intentional, but yeah, it happens. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Did you have an F-150? That was an F-250. So we were in a diesel going about 100 miles an hour. Wow. That's in the book?

That's quite a story there. Yes. But of course, we talk about campaigning. I touch on a couple of little policy ideas that I had when I was running. You know, I think that some of this stuff, D.C. life moves so quickly. Some of this stuff is even a little outdated. I got bigger and better ideas already. And, you know, and I can't wait for book number two to come out and especially the next Congress

so we can start putting these legislative ideas out and in front and making sure that we do things to secure our nation, to secure our southern border and fix this energy crisis that Biden created. Beijing, Biden needs outsourcing everything. But this is all in the book my american life and dan you know this uh it is so difficult for a conservative to get a book contract right now to actually have publishers come in and who want to work um with a conservative and publish their

book and promote their book i know and so i think it's important for people to get this, um, to order this today, um, to, to make a loud stance and saying, this is what we want. We are consumers. We want conservative messaging. We want to hear the truth. This is the material that we want to see printed. And that will ring loud for these other publishers who are refusing to work with conservatives. Yeah. That's why I, I don't know if you know this, but I own a book publishing company too. I published Miranda Devine's book, Kaylee's book. I mean, that's why I didn't do it as a money. I mean, yeah, you can, Hey, listen, you know, my number just text me.

I'm happy to publish your next book, but that's why I did it because I, you know, it wasn't certainly was about the, wasn't about the money. I mean, I'm glad the books made money, but it was to create. You can't talk about a parallel economy. You have to do it. Action matters. You know, talk is cheap. Right. I wanted to hit on something.

We're talking to Congresswoman Lauren Boebert. I got about two and a half minutes left here. My American Life is her new book. You mentioned something before running that people have voter scores. There are zeros and fours and zeros are people who generally don't vote, but a registered fours are people who wouldn't. It takes a nuclear fours, and zeros are people who generally don't vote, but are registered. Fours are people who wouldn't.

It takes a nuclear war to keep them away from an election. You said something important, because I opened the show talking about this today. That's why I said it's like you listen to the show. That's the importance of voting. Yes, your vote is probably not going to change any election. I'm not going to lie to people. It matters, but it's not going to change any one election.

That's rare. But people know you voted. They get your voter score. You want Congresswoman Boebert knocking on your door. She wants to hear what you said. They're not going to knock on your door if you're a zero. They're going to knock on the ones or twos. It's nice to get the zero, but just tell them this is real.

I'm not making this stuff up. Yes. No, you're absolutely right. And, in fact, most candidates will actually go to the threes and fours only because that's a really great return investment on their resources, on their time, because this is someone who's committed to vote. So they are going to go in and hear from them. They're going to sit and have meetings with them. This is a voter. This is who I want to mail my content to. I know that they're going to read it and make an informed decision. So I actually in office seeing that I was elected primarily by zeros and ones, these brand new voters, first time Trump voters, and then first time voters or first time in a long time, I actually reduced mine.

So I do send out information to the ones and twos as well, because I don't want that's impressive. I want them to be engaged. That means that means they showed up specifically for you that they don't vote to recycle and you did something special. I want to get one more plug in for your book before the computer cuts us off. We're talking to Congresswoman Lauren Boebert, an actual conservative. You know, our rules, no squishes on this show. The book is My American Life. It's out now. Congresswoman, you're terrific. You know our rules, no squishes on this show. The book is My American Life. It's out now.

Congresswoman, you're terrific. You're welcome back anytime. Thanks for coming on the show. Good luck with the book. Thanks so much, Dan. Thank you. You got it. There you go, folks.

We didn't violate our no-squish rule. Actual conservatives. That's what we need. That was Lauren Boebert from Colorado. Up next, one of my all-time favorite interviews with Major League Baseball legend, one of the best pitchers ever, Ron Guidry of the Yankees. This was a classic. Folks, Ron Guidry was an icon to me growing up, the Gator. I used to go to baseball games just to watch him pitch. So to talk to him now, I think you could tell, really uh really moved me check it out i think you'll

enjoy this interview you know this is weird i've never i and i mean never been nervous on radio interview everyone uh donald trump we've had david wells on i'm actually nervous for this interview and i'm not gonna fake it i really am because I adore this guy. I want to welcome to the show one of the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball, a guy I so admired growing up, the great Louisiana Lightning Gator Ron Guidry. Ron Guidry, welcome to the show. Thanks, Dan. It's great to be on.

Man, I am like, I told Jim during the break, folks, if I embarrass myself, please forgive me because I was such a huge fan of yours growing up that I'm really like a little bit starstruck right now. So just deal with me for a minute. Look, I'm just an ordinary country boy, so you and I will be just fine. All right, all right.

So here's what I want to ask you first. You were a Yankee, one of the best Yankee pitchers ever seen. Cy Young Award winner, two-time World Series champion. You were there for not just some of the most amazing baseball moments in history, but amazing sports moments. You're there for the Bucky Denholm run, the shot heard around the world in Fenway. The Reggie Jackson, the three dingers in the World Series game against the Dodgers. I mean, the Bucky Dent home run first, what's that like? I mean, Russell Earl Dent was one of my favorite players, shortstop for the Yankees.

He was not known for his home run power. You and I both know that, barely have ever hit a home run. He hits his home run that winds up winning the game later. What's that feeling like when you're there in the stadium? Well, I mean, it was just a huge uplift for us when he hit it at the moment. And you're right, Bucky's not a home run hitter. He hadn't hit one in months. But the story that I tell all the time about the way that that team was

after the All-Star break when we really started to play great baseball everybody that stepped on the field knew that all we have to do is the best job that we can do every night that we're out there because somebody is always going to do something spectacular

so if it's not Reggie one night it might be Greg Nettles if it's not Greg it's Roy White if it's not Roygie one night, it might be Greg Nettles. If it's not Greg, it's Roy White. If it's not Roy White, it's Thurman Munson. If it's not Munson, it's Pinnell. Somebody always got a big hit in the game. And as the pitcher that started that game, you know, all I'm thinking about is all I need to do is keep this game close. Because I'm either going to win it or probably lose it.

So when I walk off the field, is my team going to be in a position to win? And when I say that, my goal was never to walk off the mound being one run down. That was all I wanted to do. If I was one run down, then my team was capable of scoring that one run. So, you know, when Bucky stepped up in the top of the seventh inning and he popped that three-run homer, of course it lifted us up and, you know, it just, the heads dropped in the Boston dugout. Because we had four games in a row before about three weeks before that. And to have that happen when everything seemed to be going their way, it was a, you know,

it was pretty, pretty hard on them. Now they fought back and made the game closer, but you know, we were, we were able to win that game. Yeah. And then that was a one game playoff. If I remember that ironically, Gator, that was your 25th win that season, right? You got the win in that game, correct? I did. Yes, I did.

It was just how it turned out. All of those wins wouldn't have mattered if we wouldn't have won that game because if we don't win that game, we don't go anywhere. Yeah, that's right. And the rest of the story for that year is we win that game, we win the playoffs, we don't go anywhere. Yeah, that's right. And the rest of the story for that year is, you know, we win that game, we win the playoffs, we win the World Series. So it made that year much more special because of the outcome. But if we would have lost that game,

that year wouldn't have meant as much to me as it has because we won everything. And that was what was important. That's right. That's right. That's right. You know, Gator, we're talking to Ron Guidry, one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history. I have such fond memories. When I was a kid, I lived in Smithtown, Long Island,

and my dad, you know, life was good back then. It was more innocent. We would turn on this. Remember, there were no remotes back then. You had to get up and actually change the channel. And my dad would say, yeah, you had to actually get up and get some exercise. My dad would say, Daniel, get up, turn the volume up a little bit. And I'd watch WPIX 11, and you guys would be on.

And I got in so many fights over you, Ron. My stepbrother, my parents of course are going to be married or whatever, but my stepbrother was a huge Mets fan. And in 1985, years later, you come back with another monster season. An incredible season in 1985. I got in so many fights over who was better, you or Dwight Gooden

in 1985, that I might have broken a few noses and had a few broken myself just over you, Gator. I just wanted to throw that out there. We laugh, and you know, I mean, I know Dwight, and Dwight's a good friend of mine, and he was a spectacular pitcher. I just want to throw that out there. Well, you know, we laugh. And, you know, I mean, I know Dwight. And Dwight's a good friend of mine. And he was a spectacular pitcher. I mean, as a pitcher that was throwing in the big leagues,

I found myself admiring what he was doing in the National League. But, you know, I laugh with him when I talk to him. I said, you know, yeah, you had that great year, but, you know, when I had mine, I was 35 years old and when I won 22 games. You were 24 years old when you won your 24 games. I was 27 when I won my 25 games. So, you know, because of age, you know, my season with 22 wins, it wasn't as great overall as his,

but it was still special to me because everybody forgets about that season. Oh, I remember. Oh, I remember that well. I went to so many games that year, and I must have watched you in the stadium 10 times that year. You were amazing that year. What was it that year? Because you in the stadium 10 times that year. You were amazing. What was it that year? Because you had had a number of great seasons.

That was not some kind of anomaly. I mean, you'd had great seasons your whole career. But 1985 was special. What was it that year? You just feeling good? What was it, extra protein shakes? Things like the 78-8 season. Let's go back.

The 7-8 season, there's a lot of things that went our way. Okay, you get the lucky bounce. You get the lucky break. A guy misplays a ball when he has to. You know, some odd in the game happens when it usually doesn't happen, and whether you say it is good luck or not you know um things just go your way the ball bounces your way and and then for the next few years it doesn't go your way and then all of a sudden you get into another year when things go

back and and you have the breaks because you didn't get them for the last couple of years. So it's just a question of, you know, like you put it all together because when you have a bad game, your team scores and offsets something that you might have done. I give up four or five runs. Well, they score five or six runs. So you might come out with a no decision or a win where you know you didn't pitch well enough, but you got something credited for.

When it's going bad, you give up two runs, you lose two to nothing or two to one. But the ball, you know, things just worked out in those seasons. But when you have to, you pitch well. When the team only scores one or two runs, you win one to nothing or two to one because you're pitching well. So that's what I'm saying about whether it's luck or not. It's just things go a lot better one year compared to the very next year. We're talking to Ron Gidger.

Because the man upstairs doesn't shine on you every year, okay? That's right. My producer and I are laughing. My producer, Jim, who is a great admirer of you as well, but he's a big Mets fan, and he's like, watch. He said to me, Gator will admit Dwight Gooden had a really good 1980. That's why, for those of you watching on Fox Nation, that's why me and Jim are pointing at each other.

So, Gator, 1985, you have this amazing season. You had one of the most amazing lineups behind you in baseball history. We're talking to Ron Guidry, one of the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball. You had Mattingly. You had Winfield. You had Baylor. Was Jack Clark on that team, too? You had Willie Randolph.

I mean, you had one of the most amazing. Paglia Rulo, he was like your number seven hitter, and he hit 30 home runs or something. You had an incredible team. That must have helped you that year. Well, certainly. I mean, because you know when you go out, you know, I mean, look, every time you go out, you want to pitch a shutout, but it ain't going to work that way, okay?

So you go out knowing that even if you have a bad game, like I said, and you give up three or four runs, you know your team is capable of scoring. And if they don't, then you chalk it up to a bad day. Okay? So the other guy did his job a little bit better than I did mine. So he wins. But when you go out there, you're always going out there knowing that you have a chance to win the game as long as you keep the game close.

Like I said about the playoff game, my job every time that I stepped out there was just keep this game close. Sure, I'd like to win the game because at the end of the year, if I'm 10-10 but I should have won 25 games, they're not going to pay me on the should have won 25 games. Right, right, right. They're just going to pay me because I won 10. That's it.

Gator, they pay me on the ratings. They don't care what the ratings should have won 25 games. Right, right, right. They just don't pay me because I won 10. That's it. Gator, they pay me on the ratings. They don't care what the ratings should have been. All they care about is what the ratings are, Gator. Whatever they are today when we're talking, that's how you get paid. So, you know, what I want to do, though, I took more pride in leaving the mound knowing that my team was in a position to win because, after all, if we win 100 games, we're going somewhere. Yeah, that's right.

That was what's most important. Sure, I enjoyed winning the games, but it was more important to always give my team an opportunity to win the games that I was pitching in. We're talking to Ron Guidry, Louisiana Lightning, one of the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball. I've got a few more minutes, Gator. I don't want to take up a lot of your time.

It's kind of a silly question, but you were my favorite pitcher. Don Mattingly was my favorite position player, hitter. I love Donnie Baseball, the hitman. Love him now. Who didn't? I got to tell you, Gator, I've never seen anything in my life, even to this day, like Don Mattingly's 1985 season. I just haven't.

I went to probably 20 games a year. I saw you pitch probably 10 of them. It seemed like every game I went for, he was two for five, three for five, two doubles and a Homer. The guy was just possessed that year in 1985. Right. Well, you know, one of the most asked questions is like, people want to know who was the toughest guy I ever faced. Okay. Immediately I always tell him ever faced. Okay? Yes.

Immediately I always tell them George Brett. Okay? Guy's a lifetime 335 hitter. You know, he hit everybody. Not just he hit me, but he hit everybody. You can't have a 335 lifetime average and not hit people. So Brett's the toughest guy that I ever had to face. I never had to face Donnie.

He was on my team. But watching him play every day for all of the years that we played together, it was amazing to watch what he could do. It was like watching George Brett hit. Now, I only got to see George every time that I played against him, and if they were on TV, I got to watch a game. But watching Donnie play every day was amazing. The things that he could do. And this is the most amazing thing.

He would tell you what he'd do in the dugout before he'd do it. Wow. He was that good, huh? I remember what pitchers threw him in May, because if he faced them again in August and September, he would tell you, if he throws me the same thing, this is what I'm going to do. And by God, half the time he'd do exactly what he'd say.

Well, Gator, I'm going to tell you a quick story, and I've got to run because I'm out of time. I was at an event. I'm not going to say who, but I'm at an event. It's a minor league game, and this is just a couple years ago. Guy knows me from Fox and whatever. We're chatting, and he's an insider in baseball. He's an administrative guy, not a player.

But he's got some experience with the Yankees, and I said to him, work ethic. I spoke to him for like three hours. We're sitting there watching this Port St. Lucie Mets game, and I said to him, work ethic-wise. I said, pitcher, work ethic, who had the best work ethic? He said, hands down, Ron Guidry. I said, I'm telling the Gator that when I see him.

You know what, Gator, I'm sure that means to you a lot, but more than almost anything, that work ethic, man, that's what really matters. Well, it takes a lot of hard work, and when you're up there, you've got to learn. You've got to be willing to change. You've got to be willing to learn. You've got to be willing to stay on top of everything and if you want to be like you know like they kept telling me i was so small that you know you couldn't stand up to the strain and i kept laughing and behind my you know behind my face you guys really don't know what you're talking about but i'll just show you okay i'm not gonna after a cy young and World series, I think you showed him pretty good.

Ron Guidry, I got to tell you, it has been such an honor to talk to you. I feel like my life is complete. If the Lord were to take me tomorrow, I can go up with a smile on my face. Thanks for everything. Thanks for making my childhood so special. But our mutual friend, Moon, okay, I want to clarify something. I'm friends okay with him, but it's not because of him. It's because of his wife.

She makes mean dessert, Tanya. So if you ever talk to Moon again, make sure you let him know. We've got it on tape. We've got it on tape. Ron Guidry, you're the best. I am passing that message on. Thank you for coming on, sir. All right, Dan.

Nice talking to you. You got it, folks. You got it. Ron Guidry. Folks, I don't know what to tell you. I'm floating on clouds right now. I'm like, I know I got to go, Jim, but I got actual goosebumps if you're watching on Fox Nation.

That interview meant more to me than I think you know. That was Ron Gidry. Up next is Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton on the Hunter Biden and Anthony Fauci ongoing fiascos. Here's Tom Fitton talking about why Dr. Fauci suddenly, air quotes, decided to retire. And the latest on Hunter Biden's legal troubles. Take a listen. All right. You hear me say a lot on the show that process is punishment for the left, that they've understood that for a long time, abusing the legal system and the judicial system to hijack the bureaucracy and destroy liberty and freedom, that that's what they do. Well, I got that from this guy, a guest, a friend, good man,

runs Judicial Watch over there. Tom Fitton, welcome to the show. It's great to have you. Hey, Dan. Good to be with you again. Thank you. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, that's your thing. You told great to have you. Hey, Dan, good to be with you again. Thank you. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, that's your thing. You told me that a long time ago. Dan, process is punishment, man. The left figured it out a long time ago. We got to start figuring that out too.

But I wanted you on today to comment about Dr. Fauci. Now, Judicial Watch is one of the finest organizations out there, folks. They've gotten to the bottom of so many scales. By the way, involving swamp rats from both parties, which I love. But Dr. Fauci, he's retiring, Tom, and kind of suspicious the timing of that, right? Like, what's up with that? Well, I thought I'm curious that just a day or two after we announced that the FBI at least had been investigating his shady gain-of-function grant to the Wuhan Institute that they have been dishonest

about and dissembling about since day one, he announces his retirement. And when you look at this latest batch of documents we obtained under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, you'll see, A, we now know that the FBI had been investigating him back in May 2020, at least the grant that is at issue, which is the gain of function research grant. And going back as far as 2016, his people were concerned about the gain of function research they were funding in China. Now, you know, compare and contrast that to Fauci testifying, oh, it's not gain-of-function research. It's clear it was gain-of-function research. That's what the records show they were worried about, and the description is gain-of-function research. And on top of that, the FBI wasn't even believing it because evidently they were investigating it. I have no doubt that his retirement has more to do with his fear of accountability than wanting to spend more time with the family.

Yeah, I mean, he's got he's looking at clearly licking his finger, seeing where the political winds are blowing. Twenty twenty two. Even if it's not a great night for Republicans, just a good one. It seems highly likely at a minimum they'll take the House, which, as you know, you've been involved in this game a lot longer than me. Chairmanship's changed. The Republicans will be in charge. They'll get to do investigations themselves. And it's fairly obvious at this point that they're going to want to look into what our role was in creating this corona COVID super virus out there.

And Fauci, you know, Tom, what bothers me most about the left's just almost reflexive defense of Fauci all the time is they tell us big government's a good thing, right? I mean, we're simplifying, but they get it, everything's big government. The government has a solution, private sector doesn't. So we hire people in big government like Fauci. He's a public servant.

He's not your orthodontist. He's not your podiatrist. He's paid by you, Tom Fitton and me, a handsome salary. And then the left protects him as if he's beyond reproach. It's not personal. I don't know the guy. I don't have coffee with him. He works for us and he's made some clearly bad decisions. That's right. And supposedly he's supposed to be an apolitical appointee, meaning, you know, he's a civil servant, more or less, the highest paid civil servant in all the government. But, you know, he's supposed

to be apolitical. And, you know, it's clear his decision to retire with Biden's the end of the Biden administration, at least the first term, shows that he considers himself to be a political operator. And I tell you, when you look at these documents, what's so frustrating about them is that we're being told, and, you know, with some good reason, that coronavirus, you know, the COVID-19 was a massive issue, right? Countless deaths. The destruction of economies, the destruction of livelihoods, and, you know, and freedom that we're still suffering under. destruction of livelihoods and freedom that we're still suffering under. Yet we're getting information showing the FBI was looking into how it potentially developed. We're getting information showing that Fauci and his people were sending money by the bucketfuls to China, not only the Wuhan Institute, but other groups in China that evidently were doing gain-of-function type research.

And the media pretends it's no big deal. In fact, it's the biggest deal that one could come up with when you're looking at what government did in a way that may have endangered the public health in ways we hadn't seen in world history before. Yeah. We're talking to Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch. Go look them up online.

Get on their email list. It is worth your time. They expose a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff in Benghazi, Spygate. You know, these guys have been all over it. Tom, your thoughts on the latest astonishing revelations by Dr. Deborah Birx, who amazingly put this in a book. I can't describe the level of stupid to do this.

Dr. Deborah Birx on the COVID Task Force, who just admitted in her book that they basically hid data from the Trump administration. I mean, what the hell could you be thinking to write that in a book? Yeah. I mean, there are admissions in my view of crimes that ought to be investigated by, you know, not that I have much faith in it, but the Justice Department or Inspector Generals. I mean, when you manipulate by, you know, not that I have much faith in it, the Justice Department or inspector generals.

When you manipulate data, withhold information, you know, you're engaged in a type of fraud. And we all know what would happen if it was a political operative or a political appointee or even a bureaucrat who was friendly to the Trump administration. They'd be the target of pre-dawn raids by the FBI. And this goes for Fauci, too. I think the gain of function scandal needs to be subject to a criminal investigation. I know the FBI was snooping around 2020. I suspect they haven't done much since. And same with Ms. Birx, Dr. Birx. I mean, she was lying to government officials and manipulating data. How is that not fraud in a way

that would raise criminal issues? Yeah, no, it's shocking. Now, Tom, one of the things I always like about your organization is, again, you guys are not partisan. You know, you may have political beliefs, but you guys will go after, you know, swamp rats on either side, which I appreciate,

because if we're going to clean the country up, we can't just give one side a pass either. Do you have any faith that the Republican Party, if we were to take back the House, which looks likely knock on wood, that there'll be investigations into Fauci? And the question I want to get to next is about Hunter, but about Hunter Biden, too. Or is this just going to be one of those things where they say, you know what, it's time to move on and just let bygones be bygones? I think the Republicans are going to increase oversight since they don't really have the ability to do much else with the Senate likely to be, you know, either split closely or controlled even by the Democrats and President Biden being the president. I don't see them getting much of anywhere. You know, my concern is

that the Republican leadership in the House has a demonstrated record of being not terribly interested in doing significant investigations or oversight. And so I'm concerned that we're going to have more of the same. I mean, look at the Hunter Biden issue. You know, Mueller was appointed special counsel within a minute of Trump becoming president because of alleged conflicts of interest. Here we have the president's son, whose criminal activity has implicated the president, and Garland has gone two years without being held accountable by Republican leadership to appoint a special counsel as the rules apply. I don't believe a special counsel is a silver bullet, but at least that's the rule.

And here we have the Biden administration covering up for itself with that nary a peep from the Republican leadership in either the Senate or the House. And if it were a big issue for them, you'd hear more about it. And I just don't think Republicans, in old fashioned sense of the word, the kind of the establishment Republicans, they don't like doing investigations. They don't like scandal politics. They've never liked it. And to the degree anything gets done, it's going to be done with a lot of work by individual members trying to not only overcome the objections of the Biden administration in terms of providing documents, they couldn't get documents out of the Trump administration. And they had a friendly president. Yeah, I think they're going to have to overcome slow walking and lack of interest from the Republican leadership, to put it charitably.

Let me ask you a question about kind of a bird's eye view question you know i'm friends with and so are you with dave bossy and others people who were involved in the whole investigation into the clinton you know scandals or some you know rose law firm whitewater lewinsky blah blah go on and on and on right do you think this hesitancy by the establishment swampy republicans many of whom have been around for decades, comes from the fact that they got burned during the Clinton years, and at least politically, they did. It just nothing seemed to stick to Teflon Bill. Do you think there's something about that, that they're still feeling road rash from that? And they think, oh, let's just let it go. It's not worth it. You know, I think that's part of it. I think the

kind of the dirty underside of that that many people don't acknowledge is that many Republicans got nailed as a result of them looking into it. Look, the left goes after Republicans just as much harder than conservatives or Republicans go after them in terms of accountability. And so believe me, when you talk when you're talking about corruption in Washington, too often our conservative and Republican friends think, oh, well, that's a Democrat problem. It isn't a Democrat problem. It's a bipartisan problem. And it helps explain the hesitancy of Republicans to push too hard because there are too many skeletons in Republican closets. too hard because there are too many skeletons in Republican closets.

I'm sure we'll find out as soon as they start looking into Biden. Look, Trump wanted to go after Biden for corruption, and they tried to impeach him and remove him from office. What do you think a Republican congressman is going to get? How is he going to get treated, or is she going to get treated? Yeah, that's such a good point. We're talking to Tom Fitton from the great group Judicial Watch you're fantastic no you make great points in your organization

you guys like I said I can't say so if you've done this before like your concern is the swamp not the Democrats the swamp swamp the reason I asked you that question though is we did the Republican Party get burned looking into clinton because the media operation obviously was going to protect him no matter what i mean you had

brock and move on.org time to move on whatever but i think and i'd love to get your opinion on this against bird again bird's eye view it's a different time now um we have social media now we didn't have that then we have websites Breitbart the blaze conservative review we have organizations that are better funded and organized now judicial watch and others who figured out the process um you know we have you know Fox News we have Newsmax we just have different blogs podcasts you get the point like it's a different media environment with a number of different megaphones now so any attempt to make things go away like they tried to make the lewinsky thing go away like they may try with hunter it's just not going to work all we got to do is put a video out of him in a sensory deprivation tank

smoking crack and the story comes back again it's a different time now yeah there are political consequences that um because of the access to media and social media that we corrupt politicians like Biden has to face. You know, but the trick is, and I think Americans are frustrated that it's one thing to get the information out. It's another thing for, you know, the Justice Department and know, agents of law enforcement to not do anything. You know, and I think the concern is that, you know, a negative press story is one thing, but that doesn't slow them down. I mean, it never stops Hillary, right? Unless there is a prosecution and people go to jail for the sort of misconduct and criminality we've seen over the last years. You know, Trump is what one of many crime victims of this crew. They're just going to keep on doing it. And,

you know, and that's the challenge. Are we going to get some law enforcement in this town finally? Until we do, we're in dire straits. Yeah, it's such a good point. And that's why, you know, your adage, the process is punishment i repeat it often i footnote you as uh often as i can and attribute it to you but it's such a key component we need to get down that the left has mastered this and it's time for us to use the process like it was meant to be used not as punishment but to create a law and order constitutional republic where the rules are the rules so tom fitton judicial watch.

Thank you very much for your work over there. You're awesome. You're welcome back anytime. Thank you, Dan. Appreciate the good work. You got it. You got it.

Tom Fitton folks, check out, get on that email list today. It's fantastic. Judicial watch. They do a lot of really, really great work and we've got to support organizations that are digging through this disgusting putrid swamp.

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