The Dan Bongino Show - The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 12/11/22 - Bibi Netenyahu, Miranda Devine, Julie Kelly, Kyle Seraphin

Episode Date: December 11, 2022

First up today, we talked with Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netenyahu about his life and about how the relationship between the United States and Israel worked under his administration through several Presidents. We also talked about his life and his book My Story. Next we talked with Miranda Devine, to talk about the revelations of the Twitter files released by Elon Musk and how this is an FBI story and not a Hunter Biden story. Then we talked with Julie Kelly on several stories she’s been covering incuding Bennie Thompson using the Jan. 6th committee to look for people to fit crimes, and the firing of lawyer James Baker from Twitter. Finally we talked with FBI Whistleblower Kyle Seraphin about how the FBI slow walked the investigation of the J6 pipebomber, and how the FBI has now classified him as adversarial for speaking out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the united states and israel worked under his administration through several presidents including president trump we also talked about his life and his new book my story don't miss this interview there's a lot in here uh let me welcome to the show for the first time author of the new book, Bibi, My Story, prime minister and hopefully incoming prime minister of Israel, Bibi Nenyah. Sir, thanks for your time today. We appreciate it. Good to be with you and with your audience. It's an honor to have you on the show. So you have your new book out, Bibi, My Story. You've got kind of an interesting perspective, three American presidents. Your perspective on your time in office as Prime Minister of Israel with those three

different presidents, what can we as an American audience learn from you in the book on that? Well, the first thing is that, as I describe in my book, the alliance between Israel and the United States is first of all an alliance between peoples. That is, the great majority of Americans see Israel as a quintessential American ally. It's a plucky, robust, and courageous democracy in the heart of the Middle East, standing up for our common values, willing to fight for it, never requesting American troops, having a formidably courageous army, having a thriving free market economy, which I describe in my book how we transformed Israel from a semi-socialist state

to one of the robust free market economies in the world with tremendous innovation. So Americans value that, and Israelis value America. And I think it's very clear by the time you finish reading the book that America has no better ally than Israel, and Israel, of course, has no better ally than America. This is the backdrop for what I call the arguments within the family. So when we have arguments, and we have bad arguments with all American presidents, the arguments that are different from differences of opinion that I would have with other heads of state

because no other country has that foundation of common values, common interests as Israel has with America. But of course I had my differences. They were often on the Palestinian issue. People thought that we have to make peace with the Palestinians. That's kind of hard because the Palestinians don't want peace with Israel. They want a peace without Israel. They don't want a state next to Israel. They want a state instead of Israel. So that was one source of the argument that I had with both President Clinton and President Obama. The second one was that they said, well, you

can't get to peace with the other Arab states if you don't make peace with the Palestinians. And, of course, Palestinians are about 1% to 2% of the entire Arab world, and they were wagging, this was the tail wagging of the Arab body. And I said, no, we can get peace agreements if we go around the Palestinian veto, which we haven't done for a quarter of a century. And finally, I persuaded President Trump, he wasn't immediately persuaded, to go that route, and we had four historic peace treaties

with the United Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan, and more will follow. So the differences of opinion were obvious. We live here in the Middle East. We see the realities. We see where we can have these peace treaties with like-minded Arab states. And it took a while. So yes, I described these differences of opinion. I also gave my some glimpses into the back door of diplomacy. But I have to tell you, even when we had these differences of opinion, I never lost sight of the fact that we have a truly unshakable alliance,

and it should continue for both our interests, because Israel is the one thing in the Middle East that prevents its being overrun by the forces of Islamic fundamentalism led by Iran that chants death to Israel and death to America. And I think it's our common interest to have such a strong democracy in the heart of the Middle East against these common enemies. Yeah. We're talking to Benjamin Netanyahu, author of the book, BB, my story, pick it up folks.

I got a lot of communications emails during the break before you came on, Mr. Prime Minister. And there were people telling me who they're Christians who said that their pastors had told them to go and pick up the book to read your perspective. So clearly it's resonating here in the United States. I just wanted to pass that on. But you address the Palestinian issue, John Kerry and other other Democrats and candidly, even some Republicans in the past had that same perspective that you would never be able to get a peace deal in the Middle East without going through the Palestinians.

It took an outsider like Donald Trump to do that with the Abraham Accords. And it just reminds me of the old Abba Abba line, the Palestinians have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity at peace. I'm sure you've heard it a thousand times. But sadly, it seems true. It seems like the obstacles are just never ending. And if we, if Donald Trump and yourself and other Israeli leaders didn't get past that Palestinian obstacle, we'd never be where we are now. Well, and I think there are more opportunities because I think we can make peace

with just about all of the Arab states and then circle back to the Palestinians for an agreement that we could live with, not one that we would die with. Because right now they're recalcitrant, they're rejectionists, they want to see the end of Israel. So if you wait for them, you're going to wait another quarter of a century. And happily, we've gotten around that. But I think if you, when I describe what happened, how we got to that point, we got to that point because of two things, what happened, how we got to that point. We got to that point because of two things, the rise of Iran and the rise of Israel. As Iran got stronger and started its pursuit of nuclear weapons and sent its terrorists far and wide into every corner of the Middle East and beyond, these Arab

countries began looking at Israel in a different light, not as their enemy, but as their indispensable ally in holding back Iran's aggression and preventing it from acquiring nuclear weapons. That was coupled with the rise of Israeli power. When we turned Israel from a semi-social state to a very vibrant capitalist economy, you've got to understand that this transformation, as I described, was very hard. I mean, I had to, as finance minister and as prime minister, affect some 80 free market reforms against tremendous opposition. But what happened was that Israel's innovation power was released.

The genius of our people was released when you gave them free enterprise, when you gave them the ability to basically turn. You know, the joke was, how do you make a big fortune in Israel? How do you make a small fortune in Israel? Start with a big fortune. No longer. You make a big fortune in Israel. You're probably enjoying some of the innovations that we have.

You have a smartphone. Half of it is made in Israel. You're probably enjoying some of the innovations that we have. You have a smartphone, half of it is made in Israel. You have the hundreds of thousands, millions of people in the world who have fresh water because of Israeli desalinization techniques, medicines, and so on. A lot of things that benefit all of humanity, but they originated in Israel. It took a while to make this transformation. That gave us the power to augment our military intelligence and cyber capabilities to prevent terror attacks against Americans and the citizens of dozens of other countries so Israel became a power so when Iran's power was threatened and Israel's power group, it came to a head.

And I'll tell you where it came to a head. I describe this in my book. It's when I went to the joint session of Congress in 2015, when I challenged President Obama. It wasn't an easy thing to do because I thought the Iran deal was very dangerous. It jeopardized the future of my country, and I had no choice to go there. While I was speaking in Congress, we got calls from Gulf leaders, Arab leaders in the Gulf, who said, we can't believe we're hearing this, that your prime minister is standing up to the president of the United States. Not a simple thing to do, and it wasn't simple for me to do, because I respected President Obama, even though I disagreed with him.

I thought it was the survival of my country that was at stake. That's when we then had clandestine meetings, secret meetings, between me and the Arab leaders. And then, of course, that's a year before the 2016 election. And then after I persuaded President Trump and his team that these peace treaties were there to be had, that we actually went ahead and culminated this historic achievement. But that's just the beginning. There will be incredible opportunities to expand the circle of peace

to extremely important countries that would just put the whole genuine peace on steroids and would create a bulwark against Iranian aggression. So that's the opportunity that we face now. I think I'll form a government in a few days, and I intend to pursue both these things, blocking Iran and completing the circle of peace with the Arab states. I think that's eminently doable. We're talking to Benjamin Netanyahu, author of the new book, BB, My Story. Go pick it up, folks. Mr. Prime Minister, last question. I'll let you go. Thank you for coming on today. I do appreciate it um you're obviously privy to

information a lot of it obviously you can't share here but what you can share how grave is the threat right now from the iranian nuclear program we know they have no intentions it's clear at this point of stopping frankly they have no intentions of even slowing down um this is the death to america crowd do you think the protests in the streets are going to do anything to make them recalculate? Or is this threat just going to keep continuing to grow? They are a threat to not only world peace, but world survival. They could start a proliferation cascade of nuclear weapons around the world if this doesn't slow down. Well, you're quite right. I think the first thing to understand is that without understanding

what this regime is all about, that it lied to its teeth, that an agreement with them is useless because they violated it. We couldn't go anywhere. So I described in my book, I couldn't describe all the operations that I authorized as prime minister. For that matter, I don't even describe all the operations that I took part in as an officer in our special forces in Mayu. But I do describe one operation, one Mossad operation that I authorized. We dispatched a Mossad team to the heart of Tehran. They broke into a secret warehouse where Iran's secret atomic archive was stashed. They broke into the safes. And then if you saw Argo, this was Argo on steroids

because thousands of the Iranian security personnel and police were chasing them throughout Tehran. They got out, brought half a ton of material to Israel. I showed it to President Trump in the Oval Office, showed it to the world, and it showed how Iran was lying when it said that it wasn't trying to develop nuclear weapons, because they sure were, and it was there to see. Now, if we don't stop Iran, then they will have ICBMs, intercontinental ballistic missiles, with nuclear warheads that could put every American city at risk. And they chant, death to Israel,

death to America. They mean it. So you don't want that. We've seen what happens when another rogue state, not nearly as dangerous or as powerful as Iran, has nuclear weapons in the case of North Korea? And you really don't want to replicate that with these thugs. So that was important, first of all, to unmask Iran's real intentions, because they were, you know, trauma-sensitive, they were talking nice. But in the meantime, this horrible regime was suppressing its people. Now what has happened is that Iran has been amassed again in a big way

because of the brave men and the extraordinarily brave women of Iran. Has this changed? Dan, I think it begins to change because I think now the entire world sees what kind of regime this is. And you have to ask yourself, do you want these thugs, these theological thugs, to have these Islamist radicals to have the atomic bombs

and the means to dispatch them to America and to every part of the world? The answer is clearly no. So there is now, I think, a better understanding as to how to stop them. Well, you need a combination of quick consentions and a credible military option. If you have the two, you can stop them. If you don't have it, you're not going to stop them.

And I guess one of the tasks or principal tasks that I'll have as prime minister is to make sure that we have both in place for the sake of for the future of all of us and for the sake of the security of Americans, Israelis, Arabs, just about everyone else. Benjamin Netanyahu, thank you very much. The new book is called Bibi, My New Story. I really sincerely appreciate your time. It's such a beautiful country and good luck with the formation of the new government going forward. We appreciate it. Thank you. God bless America. Thank you. Yes, sir. God bless America and all those who defend their folks. That was Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu. Up next, we talk with

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All right, on the phone is the author of The Laptop from Hell, probably one of the biggest, most important books of the year, Miranda Devine. Miranda, thanks for joining the show again. We appreciate it. Great to be with you, Dan.

So your book was prophetic. I'm hoping you're getting a lot of apologies today or I wouldn't hold your breath. You wrote the book about the Hunter Biden laptop a long time ago, and I wanted your opinion on this. The media folks out there right now, they're ironically highlighting what the biggest portion, in my opinion, of this scandal is. They're trying to say, oh, it's not indicative of government involvement. What Elon released and Matt Taibbi, it's a political campaign, the Biden campaign trying to squash this information. There's no government involvement.

But Miranda, that's really not true. We already know that the FBI, according to Mark Zuckerberg and according to Twitter, Yoel Ross statement, that the FBI was meeting with these people and was warning them about this Hunter Biden story, even though they knew it was accurate. That's the First Amendment scandal here. Exactly. I mean, the FBI is the federal government and the federal government cannot do that. They cannot instruct a private company to censor the views and the news and the information

of private citizens, American citizens. So that's absolutely true. And we know that the FBI warned Twitter during weekly meetings that they were having before the 2020 election to expect that they would be hacked material by state actors, a.k.a. Russia, involving Hunter Biden and likely to happen in October. And of course, in October of 2020 came our story, our exclusive at the New York Post about Hunter Biden's laptop, which implicated Joe Biden in his family's overseas international influence peddling scheme.

And so they had to crush that because it would probably have likely have damaged Joe Biden's presidential ambitions. We're talking to Miranda Devine, again, author of the book Laptop from Hell. Please, please pick it up. It is the definitive account of what happened with this Biden family scandal. Miranda, it's an amazing book, folks. One of the other components of this story that's being squashed by the media, and one that I think is explosive as well, is that the FBI was watching Rudy Giuliani's traffic, likely in live time, through a warrant to spy on his iCloud. So when Rudy Giuliani, who had this information about the Hunter Biden laptop,

the FBI almost had like the defensive and offensive playbook for the other team in advance. So then they go out every time they're watching Giuliani probably send a message, whether they're getting it in live time or on delay. And they essentially know what the political oppo research on Joe Biden is going to be. And then they go to the tech companies and squash it. That's a part of this story that's strangely outside of conservative media been largely sidelined. line. Yeah, it's amazing in curiosity from the rest of the media, from the left wing media, because of course, they're all in the tank for the Democrats. And it's embarrassing for them, because not only did they run the Russia collusion hoax and get Pulitzer's for it,

they then kiboshed our Hunter Biden story, and have had to reluctantly, you know, a year or two later, sort of admit that it was right. And so we know that the FBI was spying on Rudy Giuliani throughout 2020. Of course, Rudy Giuliani at that stage was, or had been the personal lawyer of Donald Trump. So this covert surveillance warrant began a month after he took that job. And then they would have had access to the emails in August of 2020 from the computer repair shop owner, John Paul MacIsaac, who had given the FBI Hunter Biden's laptop. And he was concerned that the FBI had not really treated his national security concerns seriously. He told them about his concerns about Joe Biden's involvement in

this influence-bending scheme in Ukraine and China, where the Biden family had millions of dollars. There's evidence of that on the laptop. And all he got from the FBI was a curious sort of warning from them. You know, nothing bad happens to people who don't speak out. And that was as they were taking away the laptop under subpoena. So eventually he contacted many months later. Rudy Giuliani by email email, gave him chapter and verse, screenshots of material on the laptop, and the FBI knew the laptop was real. They knew that John Paul MacIsaac was a legitimate guy. And so they were pre-warned about this story that was going to come out involving Joe Biden from the material on Hunter's laptop. And they also would have had access to my messages

with Rudy Giuliani in October, in which they would have found out that the Post was working on the story roughly when we were going to publish and roughly what we were going to be publishing. So they had a good reason, if they wanted to bury this story, to pre-bunk it with the social media platforms. And the other part of this that a lot of people haven't picked up, but James Baker, who is the former general counsel

and top lawyer at the FBI, five months before the 2020 election, he gets parachuted into Twitter their top lawyer so he's still there and so you know when Elon Musk authorized the Twitter files to be dumped on Friday there was one thing missing and that was FBI involvement. Yeah. Miranda, I got to ask you a personal question. No, nothing weird. I'm just, so you publish this book, the book blows up, it's called Laptop from Hell, right? And you do the book tour. I've written a few books. I know how it is. And listen, they're hard.

You're on the air all the time. And it's largely a lot of same series of questions right so you're probably like all right i gotta take a break and this hunter biden story just keeps coming back do you ever say to yourself i need just a few weeks where hunter biden is not in the news i'm sorry but i gotta ask you, all the time. I'm trying to write another book. Man. It's just crazy. And I've got a day job, you know. But look, the fact is, this is a really important story. And it's, you know, now I think the cover-up is as big a story, it's not a bigger story than the original corruption story. And, you know, we are finding out from courageous FBI whistleblowers that have come

forward that the FBI was completely heavily involved in the censorship operation. And it wasn't just the FBI. It was the intelligence officials, those 51 former intelligence officials, including five directors or acting directors of the CIA, who wrote that dishonest letter five days after our story came out, saying that it was a Russian disinformation operation. And that letter was used three days later by Joe Biden in his final debate against Donald Trump to just smear our story and to say that it was straight from the Kremlin. And then you had Adam Schiff at the same time, the current and then chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, who has oversight of all the nation's intelligence agencies, a very powerful

and important job for our national security. He went out to all the gullible media, the CNN, the MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, and he told them that our story was a Russian smear. It came straight from the Kremlin. He lied. He knew that was not true and he lied. And so there is such a cabal. And those 51 former intelligence officials are also connected with James Baker, who, as I'm just telling you again, it was back when our story came out and Twitter censored us. And Twitter censored us. He was the top lawyer. He's still Twitter's top lawyer. Elon Musk has kept him on even though he's fired most of his legal team. I don't know why.

But you can bet that James Baker, who was the FBI's top lawyer, involved in all the Russia collusion hoaxes right from the beginning, involved in those bogus FISA warrants, involved in the Alpha Bank bogus stuff, was called as a witness in the Michael Sussman trial that was the unsuccessful Durham investigation trial. James Baker is up to his neck in everything and he's connected with those, at least eight I've found, of those former CIA operatives who signed that dishonest letter about the laptop story. We're talking to Miranda Devine, author of the definitive book on the Hunter Biden scandal, the Biden family scandal, I should say,

The Laptop from Hell. Folks, please pick it up today. It is worth it. Miranda, last question. I'll let you get some rest. I've seen you all over the news today your final thoughts on so yoel roth gave a the uh you know former c-suite executive there up at twitter one of the heads of their safety departments he's now left twitter he gave a statement to the fec um he admitted that not just the fbi but the dni and dhs and other entities um had met with him weekly before the election. He also said in this statement that Hunter Biden was mentioned. I'd read it to my audience before. But Elvis Chan, the FBI agent out in San Francisco, when asked under oath this weekend in the Eric Schmidt attorney general Missouri case for free speech, he said under oath that he

couldn't recall bringing up Hunter Biden. Kind of strange how he's having this memory lapse, knowing that that would be a significant First Amendment violation if he admits to that, right? Yeah, exactly. And you have to give some context into that sworn declaration by Yol Ross, the former Twitter head of site integrity. He gave that in as part of Twitter's lawyer's defense against a federal election commission, FEC commission complaint by an organization called, I think, the Tea Patriots Foundation or something. And they had alleged that Twitter had given the Biden campaign an in-kind contribution by censoring our story. So Twitter had to defend themselves, very serious allegation. If they'd been found guilty by the FEC, it would have been a problem for them as it was. Of course, the FEC cleared them. But Yol Ross gave this sworn declaration and emphasized the FBI's role and came clean about their intervention

because he was trying to blame the FBI for the censorship. And it's exactly the same thing that Mark Zuckerberg did in August when he talked on Joe Rogan's podcast. And again, he then tried to blame the FBI. He said, look, you know, the FBI is a trusted institution. They came to us. They told us to expect a dump of Russian disinformation before the election. You know, what are we meant to do? We have to, you know, abide by what the FBI says. you rub my back i rub yours people at twitter like y'all roth hated donald trump they were trump deranged mark zuckerberg you know gave 400 million i think it was to the democrats um to get out the vote um well to get out it wasn't really to the democrats but it was to the democrats um and helped sway the 2020 election so they're all were in the tank for Joe Biden,

but they, so the FBI was just pushing on an open door. But certainly the FBI gave those social media platforms the reason they pre-bunked our story. So it was very easy for them the morning of October 14, 2020, when our story are exclusive about the Hunter Biden laptop and Joe Biden's involvement popped up on our front page, within hours, they had censored it. And Twitter locked our account for two weeks. So the fix was in, in my view. Yeah, you're right.

Miranda, thank you so much for coming on the book, folks. The Laptop from Hell. It is a must-read. If you have some time in this holiday season, you'll get through it quick. Change your view on this whole thing. Thanks for writing the book, and thanks for coming on today, Miranda.

We appreciate it. Thanks, Dan. That was Miranda Devine. Up next is one of my favorite guests, Julie Kelly. She's been all over January 6th, what happened on January 6th. What happened on January 6th? The Inquisition and the Star Chamber investigative committee on January 6th. We'll get to Julie in a second. Let me tell you about our next sponsor first. Omaha Steaks. The

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and author of a must-read book. You got the holiday season coming up. You may have a little time off. You've got to read the book. It's called January 6th. Very easy title to remember. The great Julie Kelly. Julie, welcome back to the show.

Dan, thank you so much for having me on again. I really appreciate it. Of course. You are a staple of this show because we love you and you are a truth teller. And you're an actual journalist, which is rare these days. So, Julie, you're actually doing us a favor. Because between you, Taibbi Greenwald, and a couple more, Darren Beattie, there ain't a lot out there. So I appreciate you doing us a favor and coming on this show. Let me get to this first. So Benny Thompson,

chairman of the January 6th Inquisition Star Chamber, he slipped up a little bit, Julie, yesterday, or did he? Here's this quote the Wall Street Journal covered. I read it on the air, and I want to get your thoughts on this because it just goes to show you how we now live in a country where investigating people in search of crimes, like a tyranny, we're not actually investigating crimes

in search of people. He said on Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal says that they're going to make referrals to the DOJ, the January 6th committee, and Benny Thompson said he's made no decision on who it will recommend charging or what offenses they will leave in sight. What? That sounds like some Soviet stuff right there, doesn't it? It absolutely does. And I mean, this is what they've been doing now for the past year and a half. This committee is threatening, you know, all kinds of charges, making all kinds of false accusations, targeting Donald Trump.

They once again, Dan, delayed the release of their report. It was supposed to be released in September. Now, Benny Thompson is saying before Christmas. So not really sure what all these games are about, but the committee will be viewed as a failure by Democrats and the left and the media if they don't make a criminal referral against Donald Trump or the Republican lawmakers who have defied their subpoenas. So that's what I suspect this is all about.

Yeah, that's an absolutely accurate analysis. I've heard from a number of people who are not swampies up on the Hill. They're saying facts be damned. A referral is going to go out for prosecution, regardless of there's reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or any of that. They just don't care. It's a strict political play.

Julie, I got a lot to cover with you. I always am asked by the audience every time you come on. We're talking to Julie Kelly, author of the great book, January 6th. Please pick it up. Any update on the January 5th, January 6th infamous bomber case? I know I got to ask, you know, was an insurrection, greatest insurrection in American history. Almost lost the country. There was a bomber left a couple of bombs allegedly in front of the RNC and DNC.

The FBI have a suspect. Any breaks in that? I know you and your astute listeners will be shocked to hear. Stunned. Not only is there no update into the pipe bomber, the man who led the investigation, Stephen D'Antuano, head of the DC FBI field office, quietly resigned, retired actually a few days ago.

And he apparently didn't leave any memos behind, you know, disclosing his investigation and his reward. So, no, that's been totally memory hold by the media, Democrats, the FBI and, of course, the January 6th committee. So weird, too, right? Such a coincidence that the Republicans take the house and pledge to start investigating this stuff. And then all of a sudden the FBI guy running it. Isn't it strange that he just resigns like that? Wasn't he the Fed napping guy too? He was also in charge of the Whitmer Fed napping hoax and then was promoted quickly to take over the Washington field office. Now, as others have pointed out, very unusual for someone to retire like that, because as you know, Dan, taking over the D.C. field office is the next step before

you are appointed FBI director. So why he left, we know why he left. His name landed on a letter by the House Judiciary Committee, Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee. They want to interview him about both the Whitmer Fed mapping hoax and investigation into January 6th, including the still unidentified, uncharged type bomber. Gosh, yeah, so weird. What a big coinkydink. Let me move on to this next case. Obviously, the breaking story this week, Elon Musk and Matt Taibbi releasing the Twitter files.

You know, I'm running out of modifiers and adjectives to describe them time that this, you know, symbiotic big tech FBI Democrat Party organism was working to crush free speech and suppress stories about Hunter Biden. But I think the shocking revelation we learned yesterday, which I think is a more interesting story, is that James Baker and you have a piece up. It was that American greatness. Let me just get the title here quick. So I make sure everybody goes and reads it. Read this out. It's by Julie Kelly, AmericanGreatness.com.

Obama-Biden government in exile ran the Hunter Biden laptop suppression operation. And you'd be right because Jim Baker, who was general counsel at Twitter, apparently, allegedly, according to Elon and Taibbi, was kind of vetting the information

that leaked out there first. And isn't it a coincidence he was one of the same key players in the Spygate case? Again, so weird. So weird that these same people just keep popping up in places of influence and power. So, yes. Now, I think there were some decent questions. Our friend Miranda Devine sort of called out Elon Musk yesterday and said, come on. You had to know that Jim Baker was a top FBI official.

He was Jim Comey's general counsel. He was responsible for the first few illicit FISA's. He helped peddle the Alpha Bank narrative. You know, he testified in Michael Sussman's trial, the Perkins Coie lawyer who tried to get the FBI. There's weird ties to that as well. Elvis Chan, the FBI guy out of San Francisco, who was also involved in the Alpha Bank and DNC hack,

he's now showing up as part of this suppression campaign by the FBI. But anyway, so yeah. So how did Elon Musk not know that Jim Baker was going to be vetting these files before turning them over to Matt Taibbi. But he was exited out of Twitter headquarters yesterday. So I guess we can look at that. Let me double down on that for you. Mike Cernovich, you probably know from Twitter, Cernovich on April 26th.

I was going to cover this later, but since you brought it up, April 26th, he had tweeted out Twitter lawyer Jim Baker, general counsel of the FBI, when general counsel of the FBI, personally arranged a meeting between the FBI and Michael Sussman. In this meeting, Sussman presented fabricated evidence in the Alpha Bank matter. And keep in mind, again, it's April 26th. He said, at Elon Musk, this is who was inside Twitter. He facilitated fraud. Elon responded to that on April 26th. Quote, sounds pretty bad, dot, dot, dot. So I don't think there's any question he knew who Jim Baker was.

And I don't want to get into like 4 and 5D chess because it just sounds dumb. But I know Elon's not stupid. And I'm wondering, and I'm just speculating to be fair. I'm wondering if they weren't setting him up. I mean, it may sound crazy and feel free to laugh at me here, but I'm just wondering if they didn't know like he was going to pull this, but they gave him a shot to kind of do the right thing. And then he did it.

And here's why I say that, Julie. Maybe they knew they wanted to get rid of him and wanted to avoid some kind of wrongful termination suit. And now that they know he did this, the discovery and disclosure, if he does decide to sue would be humiliating for him. Again, if I'm,

if it's a stretch, tell me you're not going to hurt my feelings, but I can't believe he didn't know, especially based on this tweet exchange with Cernovich. I think that is a brilliant assessment. I never thought about that, but of course, Elon Musk is like super genius, scary, brilliant assessment. I never thought about that. But of course, Elon Musk is like super genius,

scary, brilliant, too. So maybe he was just giving Jim Baker enough rope to hang himself, which he did. Because you know this too, Dan, these guys always get away with it. They operate out of such a place of unaccountability and arrogance. The Jim Baker really probably thought he could pull the wool over everyone's eyes and scrub this material of any FBI culpability. So maybe that is the case. It's pretty humiliating. And for Jim Baker,

but you know, he'll end up somewhere else. These guys. Oh, no question. You and I both know it. He'll get a nice six figure deal at MSNBC or CNN. No, no, zero question about that. They that they had no problem hiring andrew weissman i mean a total clown and then they got that guy frank fugazi

over there too the eight eight heil hitler guy i mean these people are nuts we're talking to julie kelly author of a must-read book january 6th really appreciate if you pick it up it's worth your time julie, on the Elvis Chan thing, I've even seen this on conservative networks too. Some of the hosts say, oh, well, listen, there's not really a First Amendment connection to this Twitter suppression of the Hunter Biden. Oh, really? That's fascinating. Because Yoel Roth, who was an executive at Twitter, gave a sworn statement to the FEC when I think Tea Party patriots filed legal action against him. And he said pretty clearly that these meetings he was having before the election, Twitter,

with the DNI, DHS and the FBI said pretty clearly that Hunter Biden was brought up. Now, last time I checked, Julie, the DNI, the DHS and the FBI were operations within the federal government. That sounds like a First Amendment issue to me and kind of a big deal. It's a huge deal. And Dan, this morning I was posting screenshots of Elvis Chan's court-ordered deposition that he gave last week in this civil lawsuit filed by the attorney generals of Missouri and Louisiana to expose this collusion between the government and big tech.

This was not just run out of the San Francisco field office by Elvis Chan, you know, the so-called cyber expert. What he admitted is that FBI headquarters had basically 24-7, every single day, foreign interference alert system happening, where they were in constant communication with social media companies, demanding that they had staff available at any moment, where they could flag them or contact them and have them remove content that the FBI had deemed part of, you know, foreign interference or misinformation, hacked materials, etc.

So this is not just Elvis Chan. It was not just a handful of these agents. What he said in this court deposition is that it was also happening at FBI headquarters. So to your point, the government was fully involved. They were operating on an encrypted chat to these social media companies. A lot of that information apparently has been scrubbed. And Dan, they were low-key threatening social media companies. Either you say whatever material comes forward violates your terms of service for hacked materials, or we will file, we will get a warrant, we will get a seizure warrant on your platforms and forcibly remove it. That was the threat that seems to have been made to these companies.

Folks, I don't follow a ton of people on Twitter, but I follow Julie. If you're following her, I promise you, this isn't unnecessary flattery. You are going to be a minimum of three to four months ahead of the news cycle on this stuff. I've been using your screenshots and your analysis of the Elvis Chan deposition on my podcast and radio show. So I'm actually going to bring that up a little bit later. And there's also another portion I got from your Twitter account. He admits at one point, I got about a minute and a half left, Julie, but he says, they ask him, what was your success rate?

And he's probably underestimating. He goes, oh, 50%. So you're telling me the government goes to social media companies and 50 out of a hundred times they can take down people's accounts? Sounds like a First Amendment problem to me. It sure does. And then he admitted, Dan, that they had a meeting with these social media platform companies after the election. They called it a hot wash. That's what he said. I'm sure you're familiar with the term law enforcement. So they could see what worked and what didn't work in the 2020 election, meaning did the FBI, did their threats and their constant communication back

and forth, did it work successfully in getting rid of material damaging to the Joe Biden's presidential campaign or did it not? I mean, that's really what it was, right? Yeah. I mean, to do a hot wash afterwards, which is like one of those buffy jargon terms we use in law enforcement, an after action kind of report. And to not be happy that you had a 50% success rate of destroying the First Amendment just goes to show you that not only did they,

they weren't afraid of what they would do, they wanted to do more of it. Julie, unfortunately, I'm out of time. I want to get another plug for your book. Julie Kelly's book is called January 6th. I need you to go to where you buy books now. Pick up the book, please. It's worth your time.

Julie's a great journalist. The book is amazing. It'll open your eyes to a lot of stuff that happened that day. Pick it up. You have some time in the holidays. You'll love to read it. Julie, thanks as always for coming on. Really appreciate it.

You're the best. Thanks for covering my work. Really appreciate it. You got it. Folks, one of the few journalists left out there. That was Julie Kelly. Up next is FBI whistleblower. He's back. Kyle Serafin, a good friend of the show on some recent scandalous activity over there. But let me tell you first about our final sponsor. MyPillow, folks, the inventor and CEO of MyPillow is always looking for ways to solve everyday problems. You ever picked up a towel, picked up a towel set

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800-637-4982. 800-637-4982. Use promo code Dan. Again, MyPillow.com. Promo code Dan. Thanks, MyPillow. Here's Kyle Serafin talking to us about how the FBI slow-walked the investigation of the January 6th pipe bomber and how the FBI has now classified him as adversarial for speaking out.

Take a listen to this. And here is my good friend who I'd like to welcome back to the show because he's a patriot and actually cares about the country and is willing to leave his job behind to blow the whistle on some of the malfeasance

going on at the FBI. Former agent and whistleblower, Kyle Serafin. Kyle, welcome back to the show. Hey, thanks, Dan. Thanks for having me back. Of course, always good to have you on and your sober perspective on where federal law enforcement, specifically the FBI, is gone. There are a couple of stories out there I wanted to get your comments on, your thoughts on.

You've been there on the inside. The first one was a story yesterday. I was making the rounds. I was going to get to it on my show. Unfortunately, I didn't. It was a story about a whistleblower and the January 6th bomber case. And the whistleblowers told someone in the media that apparently the FBI, the Washington field office specifically, took a year to open up a case on this alleged bomber who's

alleged to have planted bombs in front of the DNC and the RNC the day before the January 6th incident there. Well, what would take so long to do that? I mean, I thought this was a big national security case. I mean, the insurrection and all that stuff, they seem to be really interested in everyone else who showed up on January 6th. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I mean, it's pretty troubling. So you may already know this, but I was assigned to Washington Field Office on January 6, 2021. And I was there for a few more months until I left. That was full five years of being there. And at that time, I was assigned to a surveillance squad. potential subject of the pipe bomber case. And we followed him for maybe a week and a half and change. And then we were pulled from that assignment, which we were told was a high priority assignment at the time, to go and sit in our office and read January 6th leads that came in

from the dregs of society that got forwarded over from West Virginia at what's called NTALK. And so I was always shocked by that. I reached out to my buddies recently to find out if that ever got, you know, if they ever got retasked to that assignment and they didn't. And so I'm wondering if they just dropped the ball so dramatically for a nefarious purpose or for incompetence, but either way, it's bizarre because that was the most terrorist like activity that we saw on that day. And that was the thing that I'd be the most concerned about just as a regular citizen, let alone being a law enforcement professional.

Yeah, no, I agree. We're talking to Kyle Serafin, former FBI agent. I strongly suggest you follow him. Let me get his Twitter just so I'm sure. What is it? Kyle underscore Serafin. Kyle Serafin. It's at Kyle, K-Y-L-E, no underscore.

At Kyle Serafin, S-E-R-A-P-H-I-N. Follow him on Twitter and Truth. It is worth your time. You know, like you, Kyle, I'm not a conspiracy guy. I'm not looking for an overly complicated explanation when a simple one presents itself. But you just kind of summed it up. We've been told by people in the DOJ and the FBI,

sometimes under oath, the implication or just directly that this was an insurrection against the United States worthy of the most intense investigation we could muster. So it just seems bizarre that, like you said, the most unquestionably would be a terrorist activity. You don't need to be a genius to say planting bombs in front of two political headquarters the day before the electoral vote count, January 5th, the night before. That would seem to be the most the incident most indicative of some terror insurrectionist type event.

What is a common sense explanation? It can't just be incompetence because the FBI seems committed to arresting everybody else for January 6th. That's true. So I don't want anyone to read any further into this than everybody at the FBI Washington field office was scrambling at the time. But the case was initially assigned to agents that were working on counterintelligence 14, which is a it's a it's the Russian espionage squad. So the only reason I could put that together is that they ran out of CT agents. That's counterterrorism. They didn't have anybody available. And that was like the people who had the bandwidth to handle it.

But it was weird. They don't have experience in working these types of cases, in my experience. I knew a lot of them. I sat on the same floor with them for two years. And it doesn't mean they're not good people. It just means that that wasn't something they had an expertise in. And for something of that priority, you would assume it would go to people that just specialized in, you know, manhunts, because that's what it was. And you and I both know that there are so many cameras in the city of Washington, DC, on buildings. I mean, they're

everywhere. They're absolutely everywhere. Well, we were given information that they were tracking a legitimate subject, probably the person who placed it. And you know, there's cameras in every metro station, there's time cards for every time you scan a pass. There's a lot of digital information that was being pulled through. And they were able to come up with someone that we were following pretty quickly. But why that person disappeared, I threw it out to another agent of mine, a friend of mine. And his explanation was, yeah, because they were a human source. I don't know that that's true, but that's one possible explanation. And it's really disappointing if that is the case.

It's also possible that it was just fear and confidence. So, you know, you run it across, across the buddies that work inside the Bureau and nobody has trust within the system. That's not a good place for an FBI to be. And, and that's kind of where I'm living right now. It's like, well, did they screw it up or that was it intentional? And, and I can, I can't land very strongly either way. Yeah. And yeah, it just kind of blew my mind a little bit there because it's something I've been considering for a long time. And like you, we're speculating because we don't have the FBI to clear this up and just tell us, but they choose not to. And they force people like you and I in the public space to say,

well, here's the inputs you've given us. and I in the public space to say, well, here's the inputs you've given us. We're here to comment on problems and issues and make this republic a little bit of a better place. We'd like to get to a good output, but you're leaving variables out. And given the variables you've inputted, yes, Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is that it could have been a human source. And therefore, the FBI is dragging its feet in releasing that information. And just to be clear, Kyle, human source means a lot of things. It doesn't mean, you know, because I've had a few people text me. Sometimes you and I talk jargon and we don't even realize it.

Human source, folks, doesn't mean it was an fbi agent who did it it means it could have just been someone they had as a source on that case or even an unrelated case who maybe did this thing and now they're like oh boy here we go this guy was one of our guys we have him on our kind of chs am i right about that that we're not talking about like an fbi agent who did this? No, I don't think that would be very likely at all, especially because there was so much confusion.

But the possibility that they found somebody's name in a source room, that that's what it came up against. The other possibility is another government agency was working something and it just wasn't de-conflicted. And if that's the case,

you know, I've talked to a number of people. A lot of people had this instinct that it was a DHS situation. That's kind of people have asked me about Ray E, and I've had four or five different people say, I'm pretty confident it wasn't FBI, that the FBI wasn't running him as a source. But there's always a possibility he was working for one of the other agencies that has a little bit more leeway when it comes to their intelligence type work. So I'm not confirming or denying any of those things.

I'm just saying that that's kind of how it smelled to me. And it's very strange to get pulled off. Like I, like I said, I'm a law enforcement officer, like by my training, I'm sworn to the constitution and people's safety. And I really genuinely care. What I don't want is someone dropping a bomb in front of anybody's building. I don't care if it's people I hate. And that's not, you know, you just can't drop bombs because there's such an indiscriminate tool. And so if someone's going to go around and start doing that, I want to find out who the heck did it. And I want to stop it because i don't want that happening again um and and you know why are we two years away from it now and still not get

an answer yeah preach brother you're darn right if it turns out that the guy was some mega hat wearing republican fine let us know we don't drop bombs in front of people's political headquarters i just want to know who it was stop keeping the variables from us let me move on to an i kind of related to january 6th but away from the bomber case we're talking to kyle seraphim former fbi agent patriot whistleblower follow him on twitter his information is incredible at kyle seraphim s-e-r-a-p-h-i-n. Kyle, the FBI is not happy at all about you speaking out. I saw on Twitter and Truth Today, you put out there, what are they calling you, adversarial or something,

just for putting out the FBI's own words? They seem to be really, really concerned with you speaking out about their malfeasance. That's right. Well, so the FBI has a policy. They have to notify you if you're under investigation unless there's some good reason not to. And so they notified me

in April of this year that they were going to investigate me for talking to a police officer and what they called unprofessional conduct. But they neglected to tell me that when they added a charge, which was failure to cooperate,

and they cited as their excuse for not talking to me that I had ongoing adversarial behavior towards the FBI's inspection division personnel, which, by the way, that was me sending them two emails that went unanswered. They were questions. I think they were pretty professional. My attorneys reviewed them. So yeah, they don't like that. Adversarial, ongoing adversarial. But so just to be clear, you call them out for their misbehavior. You calling them out creates adversarial behavior that

they then investigate for you this is like an unbelievable positive feedback loop for them where they could just keep piling on the bs i mean this just seems to be so unfair but i i got a couple minutes i just want to get you uh your opinion on this one as well there's another story making the rounds i'm going to get to it in more detail on tomorrow's podcast or radio show. It was in Wired. So this isn't like some right-leaning online magazine or anything like that. And the stories, it was on Drudge this morning and elsewhere. It's all about Gino Report as well and other websites.

It was about a geofence put around the January 6th Stop the Steal rally. And even some of the lefties are starting to ask questions, which is shocking, saying, hey, listen, that's kind of strange. You got all the cell phone data from Google without a warrant of all those people there, even if they were doing nothing wrong. Now, you're a constitutionalist as strong a constitutionalist as anyone. That kind of sounds to me like a prohibited general warrant, doesn't it? How anti-constitutional are you going to get? It's really dangerous. So the FBI has a program

that's called the Cellular Analysis Survey Team or CAST. And it's not very many guys that do it. It's very, very highly specialized. They're agents that do it full time. And they do, you know, cell phone tower dumps where they pull all the data out of it. Those are, you know, usually with a warrant. They'll do it. They do these geofence warrants. They'll help kind of write them and they have ongoing contacts with places like Google and all the different cell phone providers and whatnot. And yeah, it sounds like a general warrant. It's been upheld in the court so far, but I'm really uncomfortable with the way that it does it because it's essentially the FBI's ability to look back in time and find out who was physically in a place at that time without a specific allegation that those

persons were involved there's no pc the only pc they have is that something happened but not that the people that they're looking at were involved in it and so you know the courts have held up right now but essentially all they got to do is they got to say this is the time and a place that we're interested in this is a geographic location And this is the degree of certainty that we think, like a cone of uncertainty that it kind of projects. Because these are not like down to the minute, you know, the meter. It's going to give you some plus or minus location information. But, you know, Google grabs everything. They grab where you bounced off somebody else's, you know, their Wi-Fi network as your phone is constantly out there with your Wi-Fi on, pinging against it.

And so it logs all that information and it goes into your Google account and they keep that stuff on you forever. So they know where everywhere you've gone, everyone who's been wondering how your ad IDs work and all that, this is all part of it. And yeah, they write a general warrant for it. They find out all the cell phones that were in that area. And that cell phone is almost always in, you know, fill in the blank person's pocket. It's pretty easy to tie that to a person. Talking to Kyle Serafin, former fbi agent whistleblower again patriot yeah kyle this sounds like really dangerous stuff and unfortunately i i got a bolt but uh just because you can do it obviously doesn't mean you should and i'm guessing the legal defense and how the student court is an rep standard that there's really no, I'm guessing, reasonable expectation of privacy

if you're at a public rally. But that doesn't mean, you know, they should access the homing beacon in your pocket called your cell phone. And that should probably be a cautionary tale for people engaged in legal, legal behavior that you can be watched. And Kyle, I think you will be watched

if they put a target on your back, they can, and they will. Yeah. That's the trend that you and I are, we keep talking about it. It doesn't matter what the, whether it's social media, whether it's your phone, whether it's, um, you know, you just walking around out there, like your activities are being surveilled and they can be looked back into the past to see them. So that's, um, should be cautionary. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Kyle Serafin, thanks for your service to the country. We appreciate it. Thanks for coming on the show today. My pleasure, Dan. Thanks. You got it. Folks, follow him on Twitter and truth, please. He's an amazing source of information. A guy who

really, really gets it at Kyle common spelling Serafin, S-E-R-A-P-H-I-N. Give him a follow. We need more people like this speaking out. I told you they were out there. P-H-I-N. Give them a follow. We need more people like this speaking out. I told you they were out there. That was Kyle Serafin. Thanks a lot for listening to Sunday's special podcast we put together for you. You can hear the radio show. We do these interviews every weekday across

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