The Dan Bongino Show - The Trump Admin Isn't Having This... | Episode 107

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Tulsi Gabbard is going after sanctuary states and pulling clearances from Russiagate suspects. All the while, Ed Martin offers Letitia James an out of the investigation--if she resigns in disgrace. Tulsi Gabbard strips 37 security clearances over Obama-ordered intel report that launched Russiagate https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/us-news/tulsi-gabbard-strips-37-of-security-clearance-over-obama-ordered-intel-report-that-launched-russiagate/ Trump weaponization czar urged NY AG Letitia James to resign over mortgage probe in ‘act of good faith’ https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/us-news/trump-weaponization-czar-urged-ny-ag-letitia-james-to-resign-over-mortgage-probe/ Top agency staffer trying to block crucial Trump directive once managed DEI team https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-agency-staffer-trying-block-crucial-trump-directive-once-managed-dei-team Sponsors: Blackout Coffee - https://BlackoutCoffee.com/Vince Helix Sleep - https://helixsleep.com/vince Jacked Up Fitness - https://Getjackedup.com Code: Vince American Financing - https://AmericanFinancing.com/Vince Birch Gold - Text VINCE to the number 989898 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi, everybody. Welcome to this edition of Vince. It is so good to have you with us. As always, we're doing this on a Wednesday because it's Wednesday. It is great to see you here. We've got a busy show for you today. We've got Tulsi Gabbard yanking a bunch of security clearances from Russia gate perpetrators long overdue. Why did it take nine years? I'm glad it's happening now. We have Lettisha James being made an offer that she shouldn't have refused, but it appears she did. And so much more. Also, recisions. We were talking some time ago about cutting spending and about the white house's unique ability to do that we're going to talk about that today all on this episode that's brought to you by blackout coffee the official coffee of all of us here at silverlock you can go to blackout coffee dot com slash vince use the code vince that's v i nce and you'll get 20% off your first order blackout coffee thank you yeah no we do have a very big show and um joining us today the man whose name is too fun not to say hans von spakovsky is going to join us one of the leading experts on elections in the country. And I've got a lot to talk to him about, including the president of the United States is saying, let's get rid of mail-in ballots entirely. Why are we doing the

stupid mail-in ballot thing? It's so vulnerable to fraud. Plus, as we speak, you know, we're on rumble.com slash vince right now live, but coming up later this morning, within the next two hours, really. And by the time you hear this as a podcast, it may very well have taken place the texas state house is set to vote on redrawing the congressional districts it's a big deal they got all the democrats to finally come limping back to the state we'll dive into the details what it all means and you know what the what the gerrymandering fights are ahead with our guest hans it's ahead on this edition of events great to have you with us man oh man how does the american flag look guys like that with the american flag back here i'm glad we got the stars and stripes in here that's

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helix sleep.com slash vince here we go. All right let me let me um start where much of this show has dwelled upon over the last few months which is like, how can we cut a bunch of government spending? How can we get the government to stop wasting our money? We're well over $37 trillion in debt now. Can we stop that, please? That'd be really nice to do. And so President Trump came forward and he said,

here's what I want to do. I'm going to cut $9 billion in spending using a special power I have called rescissions. And by now you probably know the details, but for those of you who are new to the program, let me just quickly go over them. There was years ago, Congress passed something called the Empowment Control, Act. And it was designed to try to prevent the president from saving you money. But it did give the president a toll to do some of that saving. And the way that it works is the president looks at

how much the government's demanding that he spend and go. And he goes, I don't think we have to spend that money. I think I can save the American people some tax money here. So what I'll do is I'll just send a letter back to Congress and say, hey, can you cut this particular spending? We don't need to do it. And then Congress has 45 days to consider it. And if they vote in the affirmative to cut it, then it's cut. It's cut. And that's actually how President Trump got PBS, NPR, and USAID cut earlier this year. Nine billion dollars in spending no longer happening thanks to the president's efforts. It's a great thing. But also, it was like pulling teeth to get it done in the first place. It was very difficult to stop all of that spending. He asked Congress to do it and everybody

was dragging ass until they got to the point where they finally cut the spending. And it made it really clear to the White House that any further requests to cut spending are going to be very difficult to do because Congress is not all that interested in cutting spending. So what are the options that the president has? Well, back in July, we talked to the head of the Office of Management and Budget, Russ Vote. It was July 10th. That was coming out of Independence Day. We were talking about how great our country is and how we can save some money. And I had Russ Vote stopped by the show. And I asked him how this could be done, how we could actually cut some spending. And so here it is, fellas, I believe this is cut too.

Here is Russ Vote talking about something called pocket rescissions. And this basically involves the president of the United States cutting spending without Congress being involved in any meaningful way at all. Take a look. Here's what Russ Vote out to say at the time. Pocket recisions. Would you please tell this audience and tell me, what is a pocket rescission? How does it work and why is it valuable?

Pocket rescissions is a normal rescission that comes late in the fiscal year. And so when we send up a bill and ask Congress to rescind it, we have 45 days to hold the money. And so it can't go out the door. And this is a part of the impoundment control act that allows us without congressional vote to basically hold that money and ensure that it evaporates at the end of the fiscal year. And so we have a process in place that we're looking to use. use this tool later in the year. Obviously, we are taking it one step at a time with regard to the bill that's on the hill, and if we can do more, we will do more with the votes of Congress. But this is a tool that the executive has, and we're strongly considering using it later in the

year. In addition to the president also has the ability to impound money, and that is to just not spend it and even using the tools of the Impoundment Control Act, that was something that 200 years of presidents use that effectively. And if you look, when they stopped using impoundment because of the Empowerment Control Act in the 1970s, that was the moment where fiscal irresponsibility began to reign in this town. Can we pause? Okay, that's paused, right, Justin, so we can come back to it?

Good. All right, perfect. Here's what I want to say about that. I need people to understand here what's happening, because some of this can get one. and technical, but these are really simple concepts in the end. What Russ Vote is saying is when the Empowerment Control Act was passed, the concept was, hey, we want to stop the president from saving the people money. We don't want that happening anymore.

And Russ Votes position on this, and the lawyers in the Office of Management budget is, that is unconstitutional. Unconstitutional. When Congress appropriates money, what they're doing is saying, okay, we're going to give this tranche of money, taxpayer money, over to the executive. branch to spend on these programs. Now, is it possible to achieve something under budget? Well, yes, it is. Definitely. If you do something efficiently, you go and hire the right contractors, you get the thing done the right way, you can do something ahead of schedule and under budget.

And President Trump has done that throughout his business career. And certainly he's trying to do that as much as possible inside of his political career. So if you had, say, a company and you were the chief executive of that company and there was a certain budget laid out to achieve something and you were able to achieve it and save money for the company thus benefiting the shareholders of that company you have an obligation to do that that's the best way to be a good steward of the money that's being allocated for that project it's to do it the most responsible way save as much money as possible and get the project done the right way president trump wants to do all of that but congress is claiming that he is forbidden from saving you money that if he can do something under budget that

that he can't just send the money back they've got to waste the money thus making your life more miserable does that make any sense to you whatsoever it shouldn't it's senseless the president should be able to save us money and so russ vote is saying yeah you know what i don't care what congress alleges about this i don't care that they say we're not allowed to impound money if we feel like doing that if we feel like saying we're going to to save taxpayers cash. We want to do it. That's Russ Votes saying that. And then you want to take us to court? Perfect. Let's find out if it's constitutional. Let's take that all the way up to the United States Supreme Court. But saving the taxpayer money and doing things under budget should be

rewarded, not condemned, not punished. You think the founders wanted the government to waste money? No. The intent of the founders was that the government be the best stewards possible of the people's will. So Russ vote clearly on the right track here. But this pocket rescission's concept, that's where I started. Basically, you'll have, and you'll hear Russ explain it a little further here, you have 45-day window, 45-day window. The president submits a request to cut spending. It begins a 45-day clock. And at the conclusion of that clock, if Congress doesn't weigh in at all, if there's no answer whatsoever, traditionally, typically, then the spending kicks back in. But Russ Vote believes, and by the way, so does the Congress,

that if you file these spending cuts within 45 days of the end of the fiscal year, that's September 30th, so we're already inside the window, then that spending evaporates. It disappears and it doesn't even matter if Congress gets involved. Here's a little bit more. My conversation again with Russ Vote, July 10th. When they stopped using impoundment because of the Impoundment Control Act in the 1970s, That was the moment where fiscal irresponsibility began to reign in this town.

Yes. And you lost the branch-on-branch tension to control spending, and it became kind of a caricatured view of what congressional's power the purse. No one disputes that they have the ability to set what an appropriation is. You can't go above that level. That is a hallmark congressional principle. But the notion that you had to spend at that level is totally anonymous to what the founding fathers would have said. And we're attempting to get back to an original understanding of what presidents enjoyed for many, many years.

Okay. I want to explore that a little bit more in a moment. But once again, on pocket recisions, am I right to believe that August 18th is the date that that clock begins where you can file a pocket rescission? yeah about that in the august is when you're up against your 45 day clock and so we will be watching that date very carefully and how big are your ambitions what how much it is there can you give us a ballpark of how much money you think you could possibly cut you know i don't want to do that at this juncture right now we're obviously when we were able to start this programmatic review of federal spending uh we were in the middle of the fiscal year and so this is not going to be the same amount as what we put forward in our congressional budget that we sent to the Hill for fiscal

year 26, the next one coming up. But we do believe that we will have a very good story to tell if we're successful with all of these different maneuvers. And honestly, it's going to take all of these different tools. Each tool is different. Each funding amount is different. They're written differently. They expire at different times. And so I know it's a lot for the public to get a handle on, but I think the best thing to understand is that this administration is committed, this president is committed to using everything at his disposal to get a handle on the waste and abuse that's been going on for far too long. But I think it's safe to assume it'll be a lot more than $9 billion, right? I think you can assume that, yeah. Okay, good.

a lot more than $9 billion. The conclusion of that segment on pocket recisions, this is, I want to emphasize something to you. That detail, what Russ Votes said there, it's going to be a lot more than $9 billion. As of this morning, I saw that there are news outlets like Politico who have no idea that Russ Vote is saying that or said that. In other words, you are more clued in

than the D.C. political publications about how all of this is working right now. and what's intended. Now, I'm noticing the Rumble chat has pointed out, somebody in the Rumble chat pointed out, well, it's August 20th, right? Of course. Today is the 20th. Two days after the 18th, that was the day that we believed that this clock would start to run. No pocket recisions have been filed by the White House yet. One of the obvious explanations, I think, for that, is Congress isn't in session. They're not back yet. They're still on the August recess. They're still on vacation. Sometime they'll get back. They'll get back in September is the plan.

And when they do, my fervent prayer and my urging to the White House is they stick to the schedule and they send over those pocket recisions for much more than $9 billion. Now, we are, this audience is really among the only people who've been talking about this issue. And part of that is because so many people just don't know what it is. They didn't know that the president could cut spending this way. But they can. They can. and let me share something with you right now.

This is just out this morning from Politico. Take a look at this piece in Politico today. Headline, fear of Trump funding wrench escalates as Congress faces shutdown cliff. This is Politico reporting on this today. So it's just I was sharing the clips of Russ vote last night on social media and I was planning on talking to you about this this morning. Nobody else in the press was even talking about rescissions. last night and suddenly politico this morning is running a piece came out around four o'clock this morning saying guys um hold up pocket recisions appear to be on the way and they've got a big

menacing photo of russ vote on the shot here uh and here's what they say president trump's budget director has talked about attempting the ultimate override of congress's funding prerogatives during the 45 days the final 45 days of the fiscal year and that time is now six weeks are now left until October 1st and lawmakers are staring down a government shutdown deadline alongside the threat of a pocket rescission. They say it's a controversial White House tactic and that lawmakers from both parties say it's illegal to do. All right, let me pause on that. Illegal. And one of the reasons that you're having members of Congress claiming, you're not allowed to do this, you're not allowed to do this is because there was a report put out by the GAO, the government accountability office

that made such a claim that this whole sequence of events is illegal. In fact, at the beginning of August, the GAO put this out. Is this, by the way, Chad, is this too wonky for you? I really want the detail to be here for you. I want people to know what's going on. They put a piece out on August 6th of this month and they said, what is a pocket rescission? And is it legal? And then the GAO comes along and they talk about, oh, you've heard of a pocket veto, but have you heard of a pocket rescission? And in this, they answer their own question. Is it legal? They say, no, a pocket rescission is illegal legal. This can't happen. Yeah, Nancy says keep going. Be sure and says enjoying the details. Okay, good. Good. I want to make sure. And so basically, the GAO comes along and says,

no, no, no, you can't do this. You're not allowed to do this. So it is worth pausing for a moment and asking yourself what the hell is the GAO what is the government accountability office what in particular and what power do they have over the president's ability to save us money and the answer to that is that the government accountability office is known as an independent agency an independent agency that works for the Congress it makes assessments about what is going on in Congress and whether or not something is considered to be legal, and it's been around for some time. And the United States Government Accountability Office,

they consider themselves independent and nonpartisan, but they're within the legislative branch, and their job is to audit, evaluate, and investigate services for the United States Congress, so to basically be the errand boy for the Congress to give them answers. But the GAO, you want to know more about who's behind all of this? I'm sure you do. Take a look at some of this.

Let me pull up this story. This comes to us from Fox News. This is March of last year that you should see. March of last year. Let me drop that volume. And they had a piece here. Top agency staffer tried trying to block crucial Trump directive once managed the DEI team. And in the piece, they point out that the GAO's general counsel, that's the top lawyer at this agency,

used to be the head of the DEI program at the GAO. She was the managing director of opportunity and inclusiveness. Her name is Edda Emanuelli Perez. So just to give you a sense, who are these people who are making these judgment calls that Trump isn't allowed to save us money? Well, the DEI lady is one of them. That's worth knowing about.

In addition to her, she's not the only one. the guy who's currently running the GAO, the ultimate guy who's in charge of it, is known as the comptroller general of the United States. That's the role that runs the GAO. His name is Gene Dodaro. Gene Dodaro. And if you go to look at his Wikipedia page and his summary, where did he come from? He's been in the role for nearly 15 years.

His term is 15 years long. It'll be the conclusion of this year. There's Gene Dodaro. You can kind of see his picture there in black and white in 1985. And it was 2008 when the previous comptroller left, and President Bush had him placed there for a minute. He was made there for a little, the guy for a little bit. And then Obama, it was Obama who nominated this dude to fill the role permanently,

and he was confirmed when Obama was in office. So now 15 years later, they're claiming that President Trump, isn't allowed to save you money. So we got an Obama guy and a DEI lady saying that it's illegal for Trump to save you money? And is it illegal? I guess that really is what matters. Is it illegal for the president to do this? And once again, on the answer to this, the answer to that is, no, it's not. In fact, Mark Payoletta, he's a great American, he's a lawyer inside of the inside of the Office of Management and Budget. He's done a rundown on this, and it's really good.

And the summary is very simple. I won't read the whole ex post to you from Mark Paoletta, but let me just give you the basics. The GAO knew 40 years ago, 40 years ago, that Pocket Resisions is a real thing. They knew it. How do we know they knew it? Because GAO sent Congress a message and said,

guys, there's a loophole in this law. The president can use something called a pocket rescission to cancel spending without Congress being involved. Congress, you need to change this. You need to fix this loophole or the president's going to be able to cut spending on his own. So the GAO 40 years ago warned Congress fix this or else the president's going to have the power to save money. And Congress never changed it. They never fixed it. And so Mark Paletta and the current Office of Management and Budget, they not.

know, they know that this is legal and that this can be done. Here it is. In 1975, just after the ICA was enacted, that's the Empowerment Control Act, GAO released an opinion that it allows for pocket recisions, calling it a major deficiency in the text and recommended Congress amend the act to prevent pocket rescissions. So let me just say, again, I know we got walkie here, but I'm telling you right now the president has this power the White House wants to do it

as soon as Congress gets back they're going to send a massive tranche of cuts over to Congress or at least they should that's what they were planning on doing earlier this year and the job that you and I have right now is to remind the White House that we desperately want this we want them to do the thing that they were talking about earlier this year and anyone who says it's illegal anybody's trying to get in the way of this thing fine take it to court prove it but this president of the united states has done a lot of good for this country so far and i want to keep seeing him do good i want him to cut this spending we good with that good all right good i'm glad i you know i wanted to run through this but i'll tell you what i guarantee you

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Thank you for that. Yeah, that's the key. Yeah, Democrats are freaking out about this. They are so worried that Trump is going to cut spending. They're so panicked about it. In fact, there's a U.S. senator by the name of Jeff Merckley from Oregon. and here's what he had to say about this. Take a look, cut for he's panicking in the last 24 hours.

What the hell is a pocket rescission? Senator Jeff Merkley here, I thought I'd try to give an explanation. Trump administration wants to repeal funds that were allocated in a bipartisan way. They want to return money to the people. That is quite frankly unconstitutional. Why do I say unconstitutional? Because Constitution gives the power of the purse to Congress. And then the president is supposed to execute that.

The head of OMB, his name is Russell Vogt, said, no, I don't like that. I want to have a strongman presidency where the president decides what's spent. He says, well, here's what I'll do. I will pretend through most of the budget year that I'm going to spend the funds, and then at the very end of the budget year, I will submit a request to repeal fundings, called a rescission. And under existing law, I have some 45 days in which I can pause the funding to get an answer from Congress. But oops, it was at the end of the budget year, calendar run out.

So now he's effectively canceled funding without going through a formal process. And that's what a pocket rescission is. It's not the normal way of doing things. It's not acceptable. I hate the normal way of doing things. From both parties, get together and make compromises to budget, public funds in a way that will best support the needs of the American people. We don't always agree, but all of our constituents have a voice. This is insanity.

You know, and he's right. The Congress does have the power of the purse, and that's to ask. allocate spending, but it doesn't mean the president has to waste money. So you're watching the panic already setting in. And you and I are now well equipped to talk about this as this news cycle starts to really fire up in earnest. Again, we're one of the only places that's been talking about this with any depth. And now you know. And now you know. Let's move to some other issues. The president of the United States is trying to do some other things too. Did you see that he uh this guy's really into the details they're building the border wall they're trying to

thanks to the big beautiful law we've got a lot more money now to build a huge multi-layer border barrier as along all of the navigable portions of the border and dhs secretary christie gnome was down on the southern border yesterday and as she was standing there she pointed out that the guys were painting the wall black yes right paint it black baby and she said that was being done at the orders of the president of the United States. Take a look at this. Now, if you look at the structure that's behind me, it's tall, which makes it very, very difficult to climb, almost impossible. It also goes deep into the ground, which would make it very difficult, if not impossible, to dig under. And today, we are also going to be painting it

black. That is specifically at the request of the president, who understands that in the hot temperatures down here when something is painted black, it gets even warmer. And it will make it even harder for people to climb. I love how she said warmer. Like it won't be scalding hot. You know, anybody who lives in a hot climate knows you leave some piece of black metal sitting outside. The last thing you want to do is touch that thing. You can cook an egg on it. Down there in the Texas heat, you're going to paint the wall black and people think they're going to wrap their hands around it and shimmy up the wall to get into the United States. Good luck with that.

You're grabbing the hot stove. And so the president really does, it really reminds me. I saw that clip and I thought to myself, the president is obsessed with the details. I mean, just imagine what the briefings are like with this guy where he's like, okay, I need an update on the wall. We're building it, a lot of progress being made. All right, what color is it? Color, sir?

It's just metal. No, no, no. Are we painting it? sir do you want it painted yeah what color do you want i want black i want that thing to be hot and as a builder he's he's accustomed to all of the thought processes here but he's into the details all the way from the president of the united states down to the front lines where they're painting it black now and it's increasing the quality and the security of the product i love it it's just honestly it's unreal it's unreal and people in texas in the chat saying it's still hot at night

yeah that that black fence is going to stay hot all the way into the evening hours uh still baking by the time you grab a hold of that thing so the president's thinking through the details he likes the small details in fact i've got another clip for you of the president testing the small details in the newly remodeled rose garden here's the president cut five uh testing the rose garden speakers he says ahead of a big beautiful event that they want to hold at the rose garden take a look music in the Rose Garden. He's fist pumping. Susie Wiles behind him.

It's funny. I don't know what it is about. He's like a human meme machine. You ever notice that? Like every video of him, it just makes you crack up. You just watch him, especially something like that.

Where he's just, he's loving it. He's picking the playlist for the sound system that they're testing out in the Rose Garden. They're forcing the reporters at the White House to watch him and capture videos of him.

Really good. Really good. stuff that's our president love the guy all right coming up there's some major major news breaking out of speaking of texas breaking out of texas today we're watching as the uh the congressional districts are being redrawn uh if things go well by the end of the day the house will have voted to redrawn the districts in texas that's great news uh and so republicans are expecting to pick up a couple more seats ahead of the midterms there and we'll also talk about the president's intention to try and get rid of mail-in ballots across the country.

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for yourself and for your family data and message rates apply thank you birch gold okay all right let's talk about what's happening right now in texas we've got the congressional districts being redrawn there the democrats finally slinking back to the state for more on all of this the great elections expert hans von spikovsky is here senior legal fellow for the heritage Foundation and a good friend. Hans, as always, sir, nice to see you and good to have you with us today. Well, thanks for having me back, Vince. Okay, so we've got Texas. They're finally redrawing these lines. Tell us your thoughts on this day as those Texas Democrats finally showed back up to work. Well, I tell you, the governor of the state, the Attorney General,

and the Speaker of the House, boy, they really put up the pressure. They didn't just talk. They did everything from issues civil arrest warrants to start working a case against Beto O'Rourke for potential bribery because he was funding these folks out of state. So they really pushed them to come back and it obviously worked. I tell you the one big thing, Vince, that people need to understand that you won't see in almost any news stories about this. The GOP in Texas didn't just suddenly decide, oh, let's do redistricting mid-decade. They were forced to do this by the Justice Department and a court opinion that came out of the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals last year.

Without getting in all the nutty details, in essence, the Fifth Circuit, because of a ruling last year, said that, in essence, four of the districts, these were Democratic districts. They were drawn in 2021 at the urging of Democrats. And what was the predominant factor used by the legislature at the urging of Democrats to draw them? Race. What they did is they combined racial groups. Hispanics and black voters to create districts that would vote Democrats. And last year, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals said those kind of districts, those are unconstitutional racial gerry matters. They are not protected by the Boating Rights Act. So the Justice Department recently warned Texas, you need to fix these or you're going to get sued. That has been lost in all the discussions about this.

no question at all no it's been totally lost in fact i don't think i've really seen it anywhere you're the first i've heard really talk about it within any sincerity so what were the democrats hoping to do just wait until the next decade and then say okay we'll redraw them and then hope nobody notices that they're once again trying to rig the districts yeah no that that's exactly what they were hoping but by the way look another reason that um texas ought to do mid-decade redistricting is that, remember, the last time they did this was 2021. Well, Texas is one of the fastest growing states in the country. They've added over two million residents, if you could believe that since then. That means that the districts they drew back then are all

distorted because they didn't take into account all these added residents. So that's another good reason, a legitimate reason, actually a non-political reason for them to be doing this. In fact, most of the districts, as I understand that they're drawing, they're creating as they do this process, will be majority minority districts anyway, right? Yeah, right. Majority, minority districts, those are protected under the voting rights. That's where, for example, black voters are a majority or Hispanic voters are majority. But when they aren't enough to be a majority and you try to combine them in two or more groups,

that's a political alliance. That's not a racial voting. But what you're pointing to is there's a thing. The press doesn't want to talk about this. They don't want to admit what's happening here, which is that Hispanic voters in particular are moving to the right so quickly that Democrats are struggling to figure out how to stop Hispanic voters from voting for Republicans. They want to diminish the value. of those votes. So what you're saying, if I understand you correctly, is that Democrats were trying

to draw districts that were partially Hispanic in order to water down the Hispanic vote, and mostly black potentially, in an effort to try and rig the district to be a safe Democrat vote. Do I understand that correctly? That's right. And you can't use race as your primary factor in drawing boundary lines. Everyone should keep in mind, last year in the presidential election, for the first time, voters of Texas voted for Donald Trump. In the past, Hispanics have been a very sure vote for Democrats, and they're losing that. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, so can you give us your sense? I've seen a lot of debates about this. Like, at first, the media was just straight up accusing Texas of doing something that's never been done before. Oh, you're gerrymandering for partisan advantage. And then there started

to be some voices that came out. They're like, wait a second. You think that's gerrymandering. You should look at places like Illinois and Maryland. You start going down the list and you're like, man, Democrats have mangled up congressional districts like crazy all across this country. And in fact, last night I saw there was a clip of Chuck Todd and Scott Jennings going around where Chuck Todd was asserting, you want to see gerrymandered. You should see Florida. And Scott Jennings is like, are you serious? Florida? Like, have you looked at Illinois? What do you make of this big conversation about gerrymandering and who's, the most guilty of rigging the system? Democrats are absolute experts at it.

And I'm just astonished that anyone would come out and start questioning this. Look, the word gerrymander comes from Elbridge Jerry. He was the governor of Massachusetts in 1812, and he was the first politician to approve a gerrymander district that looked like a sallymatter. Well, Massachusetts, which is a very blue state, has continued that. Today, they have nine congressional seats, and even though Republicans were about 35% of the statewide vote in the state, zero, zero of those seats are Republicans.

They're all gerrymander to represent Democrats. The same thing in Connecticut, New Mexico. I mean, you can go to Democratic state after Democratic state where Republicans don't even hold a sick. single seat. And what's going on in Florida has nothing to do with rigged districts. It has everything to do with the electorate prefers Republicans. And in fact, it goes back to the Hispanic category of votes, especially Cubans in South Florida.

You're watching counties like Broward and Miami-Dade heading in the direction of President Trump and the Republicans. And Democrats can't merely explain that away with, oh, the districts are rigged. No, the voters prefer Trump. No, that's right. Miami-Dade County was one of the few areas in Florida that was a predominantly Democratic stronghold. Well, last year, a majority of the voters there voted for Trump. That tells you how things there have changed. Big time. Really big. Okay. And so if Texas succeeds today, which by the time people might hear this on the podcast, they may very well have done. We're recording it live the hour, literally the hour before the Texas state legislature. legislature set to meet on this issue. If they succeed today, Democrats are threatening to redraw maps as much as they possibly can. But I guess one of the ironies here is that they're looking to gerrymandered into oblivion, aren't they, Hans? Yeah, and the problem is, you know, the biggest person threatening that, of course, is Governor Newsom of California. Well, he's got a

problem. A number of years ago, they transferred the power to do redistricting from the state legislature to a supposedly independent redistricting commission. So Newsom, in order to get the districts redone, he's got to override that independent redistricting commission. The only way he can do that is to call a special election, and it's the voters of California who will decide whether to override that commission and accept the new map. And the problem he's got, Vince, is when you look at polling, voters like these independent redistricting commissions. And it's not sure that he's going to win in a special election November. He may lose. So this is funny. This is not the first time we've seen something like that in California happen either, right, Hans? Because there is,

California has as a part of its constitution that racial prejudice is completely unlawful. And there was a referendum a couple years ago to change that to make it so that racial prejudice could be used in California. And the voters voted it down. They read the plain text of the ballot initiative. And they were like, no, I'm not for racial prejudice. They voted it down. So it is funny how this keeps on blowing up in the faces of the left every time they ask the voters to consider it. Yeah, no, I think the chances are actually very good that Newsom may actually lose.

lose this, which is that, what would that be his third strike, strike against him, counting the L.A. fires, the riots in L.A. And that, none of that's going to help his presidential campaign, which he clearly wants to pursue. I was about to say he's built up a big track record of being a loser and then he wants to run for president. That's great. Yeah, good luck with that, Gavin Newsom. Okay, let me talk about the winner here, President Trump, who has posted to Truth Social that he'd like to make some changes to elections coming up. He indicated this past week, that he's, once again, he's very concerned about mail-in ballots. He said, quote, mail-in ballots are corrupt, and he'd like to lead a movement to see mail-in-balloting

ended in the United States. I just want to get your reaction, Hans, to this. The media is already overreacting to it, suggesting that President Trump is trying to silence the voices of American voters. How do you view this? Look, it used to be until recently that the only time you could use an absentee, ballot was if you had a real excuse for not being in town on election day. You know, you are sick. You are out, going to be out of town. Today, that's a pretty tough standard to me because, as you know,

we don't just have one election day anymore. We have early voting in almost all of the states. Absentee ballots, unfortunately, are a source of fraud. They are the easiest way to cheat in an election. I agree with the president, they ought to be as limited as possible. And like I said, these days with early voting, it's pretty hard to argue that you don't have the ability to go in and vote on, for example, in Virginia, 45 days of early voting prior to the election. You know, if you're permanently disabled, I can understand it. But for most Americans, that is just not an issue.

And the fraud aspects of it are so serious that we should try to limit it as much as possible. What did Jimmy Carter think of mail-in balloting, Hans? Yeah, they didn't like them either. They also said, you know, Jimmy Carter, James Baker, former Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, formed a commission on election reform. And not only did they recommend voter ID, something that is just anathema to the left, But they also pointed out the problems with absentee ballots. Vince, that should be no surprise.

You know, Jimmy Carter had to go to court the first time he ran for office for the state Senate in Georgia because he was cheated out of his election by the local political machine. He went to court and a judge basically declared him the winner after they uncovered all the fraud that had occurred. in his election. Yeah, typical Democrat. He doesn't care about it until it happens to him. But that's a good point. How does mail-in balloting in the United States compare to other countries around the world who conduct it?

Well, most countries, they don't allow it. All over Europe, you can't do it. And the reason is because they realize it's a problem. They do still have what they call postal ballots in England, but just a couple of years ago, a royal commission investigated and raised all kinds of questions about potential fraud going on with the use of those kinds of ballots in the United Kingdom, too. Yeah. Okay. The last thing on elections that I want to talk about with you today is something

that I keep noticing, which is there are surveys that are done of people who are not yet registered to vote, but they are American citizens. Right. And among that group of people, one thing we've discovered of the last few elections is most of those guys are Trump. voters. There's a lot of Trump voters out there. And so what we saw in the last election is that Democrats stop talking about voter registration. For those of you who weren't paying attention to it, it's hilarious, actually. You didn't see the voter die. You didn't see people being pushed to register. You have to register. Same day voter registration, register and then vote. Because Democrats started to are starting to panic behind the scenes that most of the unregistered Americans are

actually Republican voters. Do you, do you expect to, uh, to, to see that play out in the way our politics discusses this issue in the years ahead? Well, it may be, but you know, what's funny about this is, you know, you have issues like this come up, and usually the political party who thinks that something is, for example, an advantage to them in the long run, turns out not to be the advantage that they believe it is. So we'll just have to see what happens. Look, the left has been pushing same-day registration for years because of the fact that it gave

election officials absolutely no time to verify the accuracy of the information. And if you register and immediately vote if they later find out that, oh, well, actually, this person doesn't live in this state, it's too late to do anything about it, which is why same day registration is actually not a good idea. Well, you know, look at Pennsylvania. They've got motor voter registration there in Pennsylvania. And so when people go to get their licenses, they also register to vote at the same time. The left was convinced that that was going to be a big boon to them, and it blew up in the faces of the Democrats as Trump just won the state. And it was crystal clear among people like Scott Pressler who were trying to get people registered to vote in Pennsylvania. Oh, my goodness,

the motor voter registration is helping Republicans right now. Right. Yeah, that was, Democrats originally thought it would always just help them. So it's amazing. It's so amazing. Well, I'm so glad you are so on top of the way elections are conducted, which is why we so frequently turn to you. Hans von Spikovsky, thank you for your time today. So good to talk. Thanks. Thanks for having me, Benz. There he is, Hans von Spokovsky,

senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, taking a close look at this. And we are going to have, you know, the fights ahead about gerrymandering and what are how do these districts look? Texas and the Republicans there, isn't it great to see Republicans with spines

using the full assortment of tools that they're disposal to actually achieve something nothing illegal about their behavior democrats will break the law they'll become completely tyrannical nothing illegal about any of the behavior here by these republicans they're just following the law uh as it is written and to the max in order to get this done and they were able to get these democrats to come back they've achieved a quorum they're expected to vote today on redrawing those boundaries uh every state should be fighting like this republicans in every single state and certainly in the united states congress should be fighting like this

right now it means a big deal now um here's one of the ways that republicans have ensured that these democrats are going to be there to vote today are there to vote today is uh once the democrats came back they had the democrats signed sworn statements that they would allow uh police officers texas troopers to follow them to babysit them until this vote takes place. So the Democrats who fled the state and came back, they all left the state legislature and they've had cops tracking them over the last few days. Now, there's one Texas Democrat, Congress, Texas Democrat lawmaker in the House who refused to sign this document. Her name is Nicole Collier. And she's been staying, she's been living inside of the Texas state legislature for

the last few days making it into a big performance stunt and she apparently just got a phone call from Kamala Harris of all people who's pretending like she's very interested in tracking all of this here is cut six Kamala Harris calling the woman who refused to sign the permission slip saying that the cops could track her so she's being locked in the building watch in a moment in the history of our country where it is so lacking in those who should have it and you really are inspiring so many people. And I just want you to know that you are among those who history will reveal to have been heroes of this moment. Kamala would go on in that clip to say, you know, when you feel like you're all alone,

because she's like spending the night just sleeping by herself in the middle of the state legislature, when you feel like you're all alone, just know, we're all there with you. no you're not you're you're you're not there at all you're you're sipping box wine in your poll sobbing to yourself that you weren't made president of the united states you're not sitting there thinking about her at all right now all you're doing is trying to use her you know to get i don't know what whatever you're pursuing you want to use her look at me i'm so supportive you're not thinking about her you're not there with her and there she is and there she's living through the consequences of her own actions.

She's locked in the building because she's the one who fled the state. And so the Texas legislature passed arrest warrants for her. And now she's saying, I don't want the cops following me around. Okay, good. You stay locked in this building then until we're done with this. We'll have a quorum. We'll redraw these districts.

We'll make it painful for you. And so she's doing that. Hilarious. I mean, I consider that a part of the punishment. Can you imagine you're already in the midst of being imprisoned inside the Texas state legislature? And they're like, you think your punishment bad now wait until Kamala Harris calls you she gets the Kamala Harris phone call and then Kamala spits out mindless platitudes over the course of I spared you a lot of time that was like three minutes of

her just blabbering about nothing yeah so there you go this birds of a feather they flocked together they're they're doing their thing really really amazing really amazing okay some of the other stuff I wanted to hit with you today on what's going on in the world. Tulsi Gabbard has yanked security clearances from more of these Russiagate lunatics. Tulsi Gabbard has stripped 37 security clearances over Obama ordered Intel report that launched Russia Gave. That's the New York Post headline today on the subject. DNI, Tulsi Gabbard has announced that security clearances have been pulled from 37, 37 current and former officials who abused public trust by politicizing and manipulating information,

including several who were involved in a controversial President Obama-ordered assessment of Russian influence in the 2016 election. The memo announced that more than three dozen intelligence professionals, three dozen, including a former top aide to James Clapper, had either politicized or weaponized intelligence, failed to safeguard classified info or not follow tradecraft standards. The president has directed that effective immediately. The security clearances of the following 37 individuals are revoked.

Okay, so Tulsi Gabbard looking like, what's the hair? She looks like one of the X-Men. Which X-Men has the white streak of hair? Is that Gene Gray? Yeah, Gene Gray, baby. Oh, is it Rogue? Oh, I was wrong. Isaac nodded, yes.

It's rogue. Okay, Guy has confirmed she looks like rogue. Fellas, can I get a comparison shot somewhere on this? I need a rogue. I bet you the internet's already done it. Rogue and Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, everyone's telling me rogue. Although Storm is being mentioned here.

I think it's rogue. Anyway, that's Tulsi Gabbard. Their access to classified systems, facilities, materials, and information is to be terminated forthwith. Any contracts or employment with the U.S. government by these 37 individuals is hereby terminated. Any contracts or employment is terminated. Any credentials, rather, held by these individuals must be surrendered to the. appropriate security officers all right uh so this is nine years after the 2016 hoax was manufactured and um you know i would do i wish it happened a lot sooner yes i do am i glad is happening

at all you bet i am thank you rogue i appreciate you for doing that she is one of the x-men can i see that you said you have the comparison where's that out oh okay well that's a that's a rogue cover yeah yeah let me get here there you go put my screen up we've got the for the rumble uh feed rumble dot com slash vince you can see all of this oh yeah oh that's her it's definitely her

what is rogue's power is it mental it's like she's like professor x what is it gay whenever she touches another mutant she steals their power that's why she has to wear gloves I kind of like that but we got to figure Tulsi Gabbard has a power whenever she detects somebody who's corrupt

she takes their power away from them doesn't she she strips them of their security clearances yeah she's got the power she absorbs their power she's got the security clearance and they don't I love that all right there you go there's Tulsa Gabbard is rogue wonderful she sucks the life out of people oh Ishmael Cord says she sucks the life out of people basically she's a woman that's rude that is rude we don't say that not around here is my al let's be respectful of the women i'm very respectful of talsy i don't want her taking my power away okay so uh that's the that's the update there on tulsie gabber thank you talsy for doing that speaking of accountability i've got another great one for you ed martin who is constantly

dressed up like colombo he's got his trench coat on he's speaking of care people who look characters. Ed Martin looks like Colombo. And he dresses up in his trench coat. Here's Ed Martin. He's out in front of Letitia James's home in Brooklyn, dressed in his Colombo jacket. Yes, there's Ed Martin wearing his trench coat. And yes, it's the summer, but he's got to wear the costume. I love that. So Ed Martin's been stalking Letitia James, which, you know, it really couldn't happen to a better woman. It's perfect for him to be going after her. And we just got some news from Ed Martin, well, about Ed Martin, that he sent a letter to Letitia James' attorney, Abby Lull, who's a top Democrat attorney. And he said, look, we're investigating her for mortgage fraud right now.

It's really clear. Like, obviously we're going after these grand juries being impaneled. Everything is going crazy for Letitia James right now. But there is a way for us to resolve all of this, Ed Martin offered. Ed Martin said that it would be best for the Democrat, for the good of the state and the nation, to resign. And if she resigned from her job, Martin wrote, her resignation from office would give the people of New York and America more peace than proceeding. I would take this as an act of good faith. Now, think about what he's saying here.

Ed Martin, who has been tasked by President Trump to be the head of the weaponization group at the FBI. Ed Martin, who has been tasked by Pam Bondi to go after Adam Schiff and Letitia James right now, basically sent the letter to James and said this, you want the heat to go away? You want this prosecution to go away? You want a good deal. I'll make you a good deal. You resign your job in disgrace, and I will make this go away. So here are your options.

Resign in disgrace, or we are pursuing. this prosecution against you. Now, there's a very strong part of me that really wants him to prosecute her either way, even if she resigned in disgrace. But that said, this is hilarious, and it doesn't look like she's going anywhere. So what's great is we get the best of both worlds. We get the Ed Martin dunk, and then we get the Ed Martin prosecution. So we have a lot to look forward to.

As always, great to have you with us today. We've got a great new Vince podcast coming up for you tomorrow. The Vince Show, the Big National Radio Show, a lot more to discuss. We'll do that today, 12 to 3 Eastern Time. By then, we'll probably have the results out of Texas. And so much more ahead. Great as always to talk to you, the best damn audience in media. I'll be back with you tomorrow right here on Vince.