The Dan Bongino Show - The Walls Are Closing In On The Deep State | Episode 160

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to Vince on a Monday. It is great to have you with us, the best audience anywhere. We've got a big show for you. The walls are closing in, for real this time, on John Brennan, the former CIA director, and he is very pissed off about it. I can't love it more. We've got the details ahead on what exactly is going on with John Brennan. We'll explore that. Also, the Trump administration has blown yet another drug boat out of the water. And we've got updates for you on the, well, the government shutdown. and a big 60 Minutes interview with the president. It's a huge show. I hope you had a wonderful Halloween, by the way. I hope it was as great for you as it was for me. It was wonderful. Again, great to have you with us today. Hey, every choice that we make is an opportunity to stand up for freedom.

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to the Justice Department for Brennan's lies to Congress about all sorts of things, including and especially the use of the steel dossier to go after Donald Trump, its inclusion in the intelligence community assessment. Brennan's got a lot to answer for and with any luck he will be doing that in a court of law very soon and Brennan knows that the walls are closing in for real. This isn't like

when the left kept saying the walls were closing in on Trump. They're really closing in on John Brennan. And Brennan just went to an event at George Mason University this is right outside Washington, D.C. And this event was a panel. It involved a bunch of intelligence community people

including Michael Hayden on stage with him. And I've got a couple of videos from this. And there was one great American, one patriot who knew that John Brennan was going to be there. And he decided to confront the former CIA director. This gentleman's name is Thomas Speciale. He's a national security consultant. And he's a former senior advisor to the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. Thomas

Thomas has worked now for years, decades as a part of the Intel community and here he is directly confronting John Brennan at George Mason University and pay attention here because Brennan is so pissed off he takes his finger, his disgusting finger

and he sticks it into Mr. Speciale's chest. Watch this. You misrepresented that. We never said it was disinformation. It was Russian influence operations, which is what they do. There's a big difference between To influence up her, is a big... No, you don't know that.

You don't know. No, me knew. He did. All right. All marks the power. So you watch there, Brennan, that piece of garbage, putting his finger into this dude's chest, he's lucky he didn't get his finger broken doing that. Putting his finger into this dude's chest saying, this is a big difference between disinformation

and a Russian influence operation. What he's talking about, some of you may have already gathered from the context close, what he's talking about is that Brennan. signed on to the 51 intelligence analyst's letter claiming that Hunter Biden's laptop sure looked like a Russian disinformation op that this was an influence operation by the Russians heavily suggesting as you recall that this was not authentic that the Hunter Biden laptop was not real that it didn't include scandalous information about the Biden family the money that they were generating against the interest of

of the United States of America. So Thomas Speciali confronts John Brennan. Finally, somebody gets into this guy's face. He's polite, but he goes, why did you sign on it that letter? Why did you do that? Why did you lie to the American people? Don't you have any sense of shame about this? And Brennan goes ballistic.

He's not used to this. He's not used to this kind of scrutiny. While it's long overdue, God bless that man for saying something. And then during the Q&A session at this panel event, Mr. Speciali also had an opportunity to ask a question. And over the course of several minutes, he established his bona fides. He explained, look, I'm in the intel community. I've been in it for decades.

I definitely know what I'm talking about. I was just working with Tulsi Gabbard. So I'm the right guy to ask this question. And he goes on and he asks this question. It's about the inclusion of the steel dossier, a disgusting package of lies in the intelligence community assessment in early 2017. Watch his question and how the whole stage to include. John Brennan goes haywire.

I would like to hear what your justification was for supporting the dossier that was known to be false, being used as source material in the second ICA. I don't know who put you up to this. Nobody put me up to this or I'm here on my own. I don't know what role you played or who you are, but it's a bunch of bullshit that you just passed on. Absolutely. The emails are clear, sir. The emails are clear.

The emails are clear. The second question. No, I think we're going to go. Next. Next. Next. Next. Next.

Look, we can talk about it. Talk about it in the reception. No, we didn't say that. You said it was likely Russian disinformation. No, we did not. We said it. No. Read them.

I'm sorry. You know, I just love how uncomfortable they are. And they're freaking out. They're squirming. So you get Brendan up there going, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. He's screaming. He's completely emotionally incontinent as he's asked a very real question by a guy who's got him dead to rights. And then Michael Hayden, the other former CIA director up there, keeps going next, next, next, because they can't, they can't stand

even a moment of realistic scrutiny. They couldn't treat that man like a human being, like an adult, like an American citizen, like an intel community vet, like somebody who knew what he was talking about because he definitely did know what he was talking about. He's got the fact that facts here cold and Brennan's going ballistic over this. I love this, which means he's he's digging in. He's digging in. And he does not know how to answer these questions because the record is clear. Yes, he advanced lies about the Hunter Biden laptop.

Yes, he was the reason that the Steele dossier was included in the intelligence community assessment. In fact, he lied about that before Congress. He claimed the CIA wasn't involved, wasn't involved. It wasn't involved at all. Guess who was the one who forced it in? John Brennan himself, the CIA director, was the one who forced it to go in. And remember when he was asked, like, wait a second, that this doesn't seem true at all. Like, we don't have any facts to support this.

And he goes, but it sounds true. But it sounds true. And that's what's important. So they shoved that thing in in order to smear the incoming president of the United States. he was staging a coup, an insurrection. He was staging this kind of treasonous behavior ahead of the arrival of the duly elected president of the United States.

And now he's squirming. It couldn't happen to a better guy. After the event, he clearly heads off to the metro station nearby, the subway station in the D.C. area. And he's standing on the subway platform, the metro platform, and that's when he's confronted by an independent journalist by the name of Nicholas Ballasie. Balasie sees John Brennan and he goes, well, I've got some questions for him.

Watches John Brennan tries to stoneface his way through the questions. Look, are you concerned about a possible indictment coming from DOJ? What do you think about the situation now? Anything you could say, sir, just want to clear the record, give you a chance to talk. But did you see the steel dossier or not? That's pretty much the gist of the situation, right? Look at this. He's a child.

You have nothing to say, sir, about it? It's all on the record. It's all in my memoir. Will you be involved at all in testimony before the judiciary committee in the coming weeks? Was he reading Twitter? Is that what he's reading? What coming months? Could you just maybe tell us what you think about?

the direction of the intelligence community now under Trump. He doesn't want to say a word. He's just a child, just a tantrum-throwing child. That guy was the head of the CIA. How disgusting is he. By the way, you know if he had nothing to be defensive about. If he did his job correctly, then he would be, as any of us would be. If you knew you were right, you'd be able to, in a.

very sober way describe why you were right and to stand up for yourself and to not be defensive and to not be lashing out that's not his behavior his behavior's out of control right now and that's because john brennan knows that we've got him i love that i love it and congrats to nicholas ballsy for for getting the chance he corners him and says hey come on answer some questions nicholas nick being very polite with him uh but these are just perfectly good questions you're going to testify You know, do you really stand by this deal, Dasegay? You really believe all that nonsense? He doesn't want to answer the question.

And that's what we get. So, anyway, some good video. Somebody in the chat asked me if we're going to have Thomas Speciali on the program, if we can have an interview with him. I love that you ask me that. I'm trying to do it right now. In fact, literally as I'm speaking to you, I just got a message that he may be available to join me on the radio show today.

I'm working on that right now, ladies and gentlemen. And so chances are I will have Thomas Speciali on the radio program today. Producer Jim, just a heads up. I think we have the guy. We should have him on today, perhaps in the third hour. So we're aiming for that. So, you know, for those of you listening on the podcast, you may want to check in on the radio show. We do that 12 to 3 Eastern Time.

You can get your local listings on the vincho.com. But I'm going to have Thomas stop by because the guy is a real deal, Intel community expert. He's been in for decades. He knows what he's talking about. and he got a great chance to confront John Brennan and he did it this weekend and for that I'm very grateful I know our country is too very very good um so thank you for that we're working on that very thing the walls are closing in speaking of accountability we've got some other news for you president Trump just did the 60 minutes interview with nora O'Donnell now this interview it's like

it's unreal but just the lengths that these these idiots will go to try and uh start scandals for Trump where there are none here's the latest you remember james call me john bolton and letitia james are all being prosecuted right now and why are they being prosecuted because the justice department has determined that they violated the law brought the case to grand juries and then the grand juries voted to bring indictments against them that's how our system works it was a grand jury process necessary so the thing that they're subjected to is being done in a very fair and constitutional and orderly way. Now, it's not stopping the left from casting aspersions. They're claiming that Donald Trump's

doing something tyrannical here, that he's ordering hits on his political opponents. Take a look at this exchange. This comes to us from the 60 Minutes interview where President Trump, cut seven is talking about those three people being prosecuted right now. Listen. James Comey, John Bolton, Letitia James were all recently indicted. There's a a pattern to these names. They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you. Is it political retribution? You know what? You know who got indicted? The man you're looking at? I got indicted. And I was innocent. And here I am because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown at me. And yet when you go after a dirty cop like Comey or a guy like Bolton, who I hear

has, I don't know anything about it. I hear he took records all over the place. Who knows? Letitia James is a terrible dishonest person, in my opinion. Did you instruct the Department of Justice to go after that? Not in any way, shape, or form. No, you don't have to instruct them because they were so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt, that the honest people we have, Pam Bondi's doing a very good job. Yeah, so here's the thing. President Trump pointing out, he's like, you want to talk about unfair?

You want to talk about political targeting? What happened to me? I mean, you spent some time on that subject, Nora. what happened to me? And let me take you through the logic of the claims the left are making right now insofar as any logic can be attached to it. Think about this.

They're saying President Trump's Justice Department is not allowed to prosecute people who broke the law, who violated their oath of office, who weaponized the government against Donald Trump because they were targeting Trump? So because they chose to target Trump and by extension you, his voters,

they're immunized from prosecution is that really the system that you think we have or you want us to have hell no there's no way in fact we voted for trump in no small part because these people do deserve accountability for what they did that's why we send trump in office so somebody could finally do something about this president trump is there it's really simple there's an old expression that the last like to use all the time when they thought that they had Donald Trump in their crosshairs and finished off remember the expression nobody's above the law nobody nobody is above the law okay well that applies to James Comey that applies to Letitia James that applies to John Bolton that applies to John Brennan that applies to all of these people and they are being credibly prosecuted for laws that they pretty obviously broke in fact in Letitia James's case not only does she have this issue with lying in order to secure a favorable loan she has to deal with that case a court just revealed that letitia james right now is fighting yet another justice department investigation here's the daily caller on that subject tish james is right now fighting another doj probe for quote selective enforcement against trump's business and the nora for that matter according to unsexuals sealed documents just out from the court process. New York Attorney General Letitia James is

fighting a federal criminal probe over selective enforcement in cases that she brought against President Trump and the National Rifle Association. These are court documents that just came out on Friday. Her effort to block subpoenas from the Justice Department, quote, touch on matters of national concern with implications that stretch well beyond this action. A judge called Lorna Schofield an Obama appointee, she made these filings public Friday. Unsealing this action is not only permissible, but compelled. One simple fact drives this conclusion. The information at issue is not secret.

Okay, so in other words, the Justice Department sent these subpoenas along in order to get information from Letitia James about her decision to prosecute Trump. I'll remind you, when she ran for office, she ran on destroying Donald Trump. For what crime? Well, she didn't have one in mind. All she knew was she was going to go with the Soviet tactic of show me the man, I'll show you the crime. They wanted to go after Trump and destroy him. Letitia James ran on this.

She wins in New York State. She becomes the attorney general. And then she goes about trying to fulfill that corrupt mission, that unconstitutional mission. So now what do we have? Well, the Trump administration is demanding answers about that. The hell? You can't do this. You can't make up crimes to go after people.

This is selective prosecution. And so Letitia James is being investigated right now by the Department of Justice for that. The reason we know that, that judge just unsealed some of the information. So in case you're wondering, are they all over this woman? Yes, they are. And this is the latest expression of that. Fun. President Trump continued in the 60 Minutes interview.

We've got more information for you, including the president's crackdown on criminality in Washington, D.C. the nation's capital is way safer now than it used to be and you can thank the president for that the deployment of the national guard there's national guard members all over dc right now they're everywhere i love it i'm very happy to see dc so much safer this comes up in his interview with nora odonnell hold on for that because nora attempts to spin this thing and then president trump turns the tables on her so to the point that the president says you probably should remove this from the interview i've got those details ahead all ahead on this edition of events i want to thank our sponsor bone charge the bone charge infrared

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broadcast they trimmed it down substantially but the full interview has been posted online so i went and took a look at this and there's an exchange here uh between nora o'donnell and president Trump about how much safer Washington, D.C. is now because he intervened. Listen to the president here. I just want to, as I set this clip up for you, listen to the president. He will describe the D.C. is safer. Nora attempts to tell him it's not safer in every area. It's just in sections, she says. And how do you know that, Nora? Because I live in D.C., she says. Suddenly she's an expert because she's a resident of the nation's capital. And so the president turns the tables on her and goes, okay tell me how it is then compare it and watch as she clams up watch this when i look at dc now

you can walk down the middle of the street you can have your daughter who's 10 years old meet you at the park she's going to be okay in certain parts of dc well i live in dc well you tell me how big a difference is dc now compared to what it was a year ago right i mean you have to be honest with me. People in the White House, they walk up to me. Young ladies, I've never seen him. Sir, thank you very much. I know, they don't even have to tell me what they're thanking me for. But when I ask why, he said, one girl said, I'd get into Uber and I felt dangerous even in Uber. They'd attack the car, okay? It wasn't even safe then. Sir, I now walk to work every day and I walk, I'm so safe. There's nothing going to happen, 100% safe. And you know

that too, Nora. I want to ask you about you live here. You know that too. I want to ask you about do you see a difference? American cities in Washington, D.C. I think I've been working too hard. I haven't been out and about that much. Oh, that's not a fair answer. You see a difference. I get in my car and go to work and I go home. You don't have to use that one. Don't worry. Don't worry. I don't want to embarrass it. I've been working too much. It's like, you know what the difference is? Like day and night. You see the move she pulled? She started with, oh, no, no, it's not down. I know that because I live in D.C. I live in So I know I have some special level of expertise by virtue of the fact that I live here. And so the president goes, okay, do the comparison for me then.

How has it changed? Let me know. And you see your tap out? Instantly. No, you know, I've just been too busy, too consumed with work. I just have no idea. So which is it? That you've noticed the crime issue or you have no idea what's going on.

Which one is it? Now, of course, the actual answer is the latter one. She has no idea what's going on. And why is that? Because she's Nora O'Donnell of CBS. she gets driven to and from work by armed security she hasn't looked up out of her car window in years her head is usually in her phone as she's being taken to and from her air conditioned pampered workplace she doesn't have to experience any of this she lives in the nicest safest portion of washington dc she's taken by armed security everywhere she goes she doesn't even know what's happening in the city that's the truth But she started that exchange by trying to downplay Donald Trump's success. Good for the president for turning the tables on her.

He just, I was like, fine, diagnose it for me. Tell me what happened. And then she tapped out. That's how easy it is, by the way. And that's why Republicans are getting better because they take lessons and notes from President Trump in the way he handles this. And I get it. I see it in the chat. People think, why does he do these?

Why does he even bother doing the 60 Minutes interview after the Leslie Stahl nonsense, after the rigged 60 minutes presentation of Kamala Harris that he filed a lawsuit over. Why does he continue to do this? I think the answer is pretty straightforward. President Trump just loves an adversarial media environment. It drives the conservative press crazy, by the way, because conservative media, the thought process is like, well, we love the president. We'll give you a fair interview.

Come on any time. And he does. He does do plenty of conservative media interviews. And for that, I'm very grateful we had one with him earlier this year. I love having President Trump on the show. But there's something about the fight that President Trump can't stay away from. He loves it. He loves it.

And it'll drive his base crazy. People are like, don't do it. He's like, no, no, no. I like the challenge. I want to go in there. I want to embarrass them. And I want to take another swing at convincing that audience that I'm on their side. And so he does it.

He keeps doing it. So there you go. And he's not going to change. He's not going to change. I'm telling you. That's just the way the guy is. you know he did put ABC on ice though for a little bit remember because George Stephanopoulos treated JD Vance like crap a couple weeks ago and then an ABC reporter tried

to ask a question at the White House and Trump goes no you're from ABC not after the way you treated the vice president of the United States no you don't get a question so we'll see they go into time out but my guess is at some point they go back even though even though they don't deserve it George Stephanopoulos does not deserve another administration interview at all not after his awful behavior with the vice president totally disrespectful totally disrespectful okay so let me see there's also this there's a a great moment with the president talking about deportations nor o'Donnell tried to turn it into a sob story she said you know it's so mean what you're doing you're going around you're you're grabbing people and you're deporting them

from the united states do you feel like it's gone a little too far the president's answer cut nine great answer watch those more recently americans have been watching videos of ice, tackling a young mother, tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood, and the smashing of car windows. Have some of these raids gone too far? No, I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been held back by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama. You're okay with those tactics.

Yeah, because you have to get the people out. You know, you have to look at the people. Many of them are murderers. of them are people that were thrown out of their countries because they were you know criminals i love it do you feel like you've gone too far no i don't think we've gone far enough i don't think we've gone far enough um and by the way that's a position that everybody who's working on the border and immigration mission inside the trump administration agrees with stephen miller of course considered one of the architects of the mission to clean up the country and eject foreign nationals once more deportations

Tom Holman is working on that right now. They're hiring 10,000 additional ice agents as we speak because they want more deportations. These guys are serious about this mission. So do you feel like you've gone too far? Hell no. We haven't gone far enough. This mission is not over until it's over. And getting people out of the country is priority one.

So that's the president answering that question. Great answer to Nora O'Donnell. And then, finally, from the 60 Minutes interview, Nora O'Donnell, it floated a conspiracy theory that the left has been bandying about, about how President Trump intends to stick around for yet another term, as fun as that would be. Here is Nora O'Donnell, floating the conspiracy theory, cut ten, watch.

Can you set the record straight? You're not going to try and run for a third term? Well, I don't even think about it. I will tell you, a lot of people want me to run, but the difference between us and the Democrats That says we really do have a strong bench. I don't want to use names because it's, you know, inappropriate, but it's too early.

But people do like when you start talking about whether you like J.D. Vance or Secretary of Rubio. I do like J.D. Vance. I like Marker Rubio. I like so many people. We have an unbelievable bench. He also, he would go on in that interview to say that maybe these guys could get together. The names he does keep referencing are J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio. It seems, I mean, not to read the tea leaves too much, but why not? It's a fun game.

We talk about it at home with the family and like, hey, you heard the president he keeps talking about jd and marco it does seem like at this early stage uh we still got some time left of course in this in this already great term um it does seem like president trump at this moment would be excited to see those two men run together and it would be hard for me to reject that as a ticket that seems like a pretty good ticket as far as i'm concerned so far so good uh but look gentlemen you want to convince us keep putting wins up on the scoreboard we're We're watching. We're watching. All right. Hold on. I've got the great Rachel Bovart is going to join us coming up in a moment from the conservative policy institute. We've got a lot of discuss the set. We've still got a shutdown going on. And Democrats, as far as I can tell, all they're doing is stepping on rakes with each passing day. We'll get the latest with Rachel Bovart. Hold on for that. Before we get there, though, I got to tell you about brick mouse nutrition and their incredible product, lean. You know about this? Here's the thing. Lean is a great product because a lot of Americans do something called weight cycling. Weight cycling. Half of Americans, in fact, do this. If you do it enough, you're at risk of diabetes, liver damage, heart attack, stroke. Weight cycling is when you lose 10 or so pounds and then gain it back again. And this can lead to some serious health issues. The bottom line is simple. Most people need help to stop that cycle. And here's a great way to do it. Non-prescription lean by Brickhouse Nutrition. It's created by doctors. Lean is an oral supplement. It's not a GLP1 injectable. It's studied ingredients, target weight loss in three powerful ways.

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I just want to start with one of the reasons that your organization's in the news in the past week, which is that Jack Smith was spying on you guys, that you were one of the organizations that were subjected to this out of control spying on the conservative movement. What did you think when you found this out? It's been a wild week because we didn't find any of this out until these whistleblowers. documents were released. You know, we were subjected to a number of subpoenas we did know about for executive-level communications, and like so many other organizations in the conservative movement, spent millions of dollars complying with these subpoenas, because that was the point,

right? The point was the process is the punishment. But only now have we found out the extent to which we were targeted, not just by the FBI, who was apparently taking intel about our president, Ed Corrigan, which if you read some of the redacted emails released by Cash Patel, it's hilarious fever dreaming by the FBI. A friend of mine calls it weaponized Bluinan because it's literally conspiracy theories that they just sent up the chain at the FBI. But they also secretly subpoenaed our bank records.

They subpoenaed documents from our HR companies, any communication we might have had with media. This, you know, to put a very fine point on it, you know, because there's so much going on in the news and now people are paying attention to so many different things. But Arctic Frost really represents the big, and most meticulous and systematic effort to take out the political right in this country. And they would have succeeded had not Donald Trump won in 2024.

That was literally the only thing that stopped them because two years of this, Jack Smith didn't find a crime, but he was prepared to harass us, bankrupt us, smear us out of existence. So one of the obvious reasons I come to the same conclusion you do is because your organization, its mission is in its name, the Conservative Partnership Institute. you represent your organization represents kind of a bridge on the right that you're kind of the arteries through which conservatives communicate with each other various conservative organizations and if jack smith led by the Biden administration is going after you what they're really trying to do is disable the entire conservative movement yeah that's exactly right and it's you know you read some of the things that they were the FBI was saying about us oh they're pro Putin they're anti-byden they have plans that are not good for the FBI guys I spend 50% of my day teaching Senate staff how cloture works, right? Like, I am not a threat except, as you point out, that we do, we're a networking hub for the movement. A ton of the conservative movement passes through our doors were an organization designed to help and support the movement succeed.

And that was a threat. That was the threat. Nothing beyond that. Do you want to see Jack Smith prosecuted? Do you want to see anybody prosecuted here for this behavior? I absolutely do. And, you know, to ensure this doesn't happen again, because someone asked me, recently, well, what laws were broken? The entire system of laws was undermined, right? This was a weaponized system of government. They used the authority of the federal government to try and eliminate their political opposition. The only way that you can ensure this never happens again is if the scale of the accountability matches the scale of what was done. So it shouldn't just be Jack Smith. It should be everyone that signed off and participated in this obvious political

weaponization of the justice system. I'm talking about disbarments, impeachments, terminations, potentially jail if laws were broken. But things need to, this can't be a traditional Republican exercise where they have a press conference, get really angry, send a few letters, and then move on. This has to be driven to ground. You know, I will say, I mean, you're familiar with United States senators. They're notoriously cautious about the extent to which they finally do the things that voters want them to do. And so, for instance, this past week, you saw a number of of Republican senators led by Ted Cruz calling for the impeachment of Judge James Boseberg for signing off on all of these spy warrants against United States senators.

And the reaction among certainly this audience, I think conservatives across the country, is like, well, good. That's good that senators are on board. But why did it take you being spied upon to finally arrive at this conclusion? Like the rest of us have already been there. Yeah. You know, like I am fine with whatever motivation it takes. takes these guys to get up and do something. If it's, you know, it's fine, they were spied on and that's enough so we can finally do something, okay. But yes, like, it was much bigger than just, you know, spying on the phones of senators, which is such a breach of the separation of powers. That alone should constitute, you know, a complete examination of what went on. But

it was far broader than that. I mean, you are talking about activists throughout the country. You're talking about network of organized groups. Any single person that materially supported the MAGA movement was targeted. And people don't have the resources and platforms of the United States senators, right? These are innocent people who are engaging in their First Amendment rights who were intimidated, shamed, bankrupted, smeared by their government, right? This was done in their name. And that's just what's so outrageous about it. So, you know, to members of Congress, like, this is what your representative function is, is standing up for these people who can't stand up for themselves. And also, I mean, if you look at the

details of why AT&T did not hand over Ted Cruz's phone records, they said he was protected by the speech and debate clause, which is true. He is, but that's a privilege reserved to senators and congressman. That's not, if I'm an AT&T customer, I don't get that privilege. As a civilian, I don't get that privilege. So, so even members of Congress have special protections here. And again, it's just to kind of make your point, it's like, you know, if these guys can be targeted in this way, what chance to the rest of us have? No, that's exactly right. So gosh, I hope that this gets them off their butts because I have this, the size and scale, of Arctic frost.

I think we are just going to continue to find out how bad it was. It's nothing like this. I've never seen anything like it in my life. It's unreal. Okay. So Congress is also dealing with the government shutdown right now. Democrats are basically stubbornly continuing to keep the government shuttered for no good reason whatsoever. None of this makes any sense to me, Rachel, from a political standpoint, because they have not been the political beneficiaries of all, of,

of all of this in the american public are siding with the president they are convinced by virtue of reality that it's republicans who are looking to get the government back open with each passing day why are we at this point we've gone a full month now just over a full month with the government shutdown and and democrats are completely beholden to the most radical and unpopular elements of their party how do you score it i have never again going back to things i've really never seen before. I am actually really heartened by how unified Republicans have been in the face of this because they are just simply saying, no, we will not negotiate with you. This is a clean CR. We are not making any demands except that you keep the government open. And that kind of unity is usually not

how we do things, right? But Republicans are standing together on this. And I think you're seeing Democrats just crumble. They are so disorganized. They cannot get behind a message. And their allies are starting to turn on them, right? You've seen the association of federal employees come out and say, guys, it's time to open the government. And even leading Democrats in the Senate were like, oh, yeah, that's, well, there are our friends. This is something we now have to consider. You know, you're seeing airlines like Delta start to publicly pressure them. You know, it's kind of, they don't have a choice. They are going to run up against continuing to not pay the troops, continuing welfare benefits now shutting off, right? There's a litigation right now

about whether SNAP can continue to be funded. And this is at the feet of Democrats. So, you know, kudos to the GOP. This kind of message unity is not typically something that we have been able to sustain, but they're doing it. And that's under the leadership of the president. The president has not just suggested, but outright called for an end to the modern filibuster.

The filibuster in the Senate right now is, as you well know, is done not in the traditional sort of you stand up and give a big speech for hours on end, arguing your point. it nowadays it's just like a legislative maneuver and you have to move on but the president's saying it's it's time to end that we need to restore the filibuster what to what it used to be that if you want a filibuster something you've got to stand up and speak you can't just block all of the the progress of the united states senate right now what do you make the president's call for that there are some republicans who are concerned about this they think that this is a bad idea because it would empower democrats from the president is it doesn't matter democrats are going to do it anyway so we may as well do it now how do you view it rachel Well, every president has low-key wanted to nuke the filibuster. This is not new. But I would just say this. There are ways to overcome the filibuster in the United States Senate that don't involve changing the rules. And it is doing exactly what you just suggested. There is nothing preventing Republicans from forcing Democrats to stand until they cannot stand any longer. And then you can put the vote at 51, right? This idea that things can only pass the Senate by 60 votes. That's simply how you break a filibuster, the easy way, right? The easy way is to to invoke cloture at 60 votes. The hard way is what you just suggested, forcing Democrats to talk themselves silly. And the reason Republicans don't do it is because it's physically difficult, right? All 51 Republicans have to be in the chamber and wait the Democrats out. That's basically the extent of it. And it's, this is, there used to be previous Senate's and prior generations

understood this. Trent Lott, a former majority leader, has this great quote where he says, there's actually only two rules in the Senate, exhaustion and unanimous consent, and you only get to the second once you've gotten to the first. You have to physically exhaust them into submission. There is nothing preventing Senate Republicans from doing that, except for laziness. So they could still, what the president wants to happen can happen without breaking the rules. The current 60 vote threshold and the non-speaking fellow buster is a very recent invention. It came about in the 1970s. And people have operated as if this, Oh, it's been here since the founding of the country. No, it's a very recent thing. And my sense of this, and Rachel, you've worked with the Santa, so you'll know better than I will. My sense of this is that the dirty secret in Washington is that even senators in the majority kind of like it because it means they don't have to take difficult votes, that they don't have to be that attentive to what the voters are calling for because they have the convenient excuse of saying, well, it's been filibustered, so I can't deal with it. No, it is absolutely true. And we've seen that it abused, you know, it becomes a foil in that respect. Oh, I can't do it because we don't have 60 votes. But my point is the power has always existed to be able to grind the minority into submission. To your point, the filibuster wasn't or the cloture wasn't actually in the Senate rules until 1917 and it was at 67 votes. In the 70s, it was reduced to 60 votes. But this is a modern invention. Senates previously overcame obstruction like this by forcing the minority. to speak until they couldn't anymore.

Nothing has changed. That still is the case. So, you know, you could tell the president, we actually don't have to change the rules. You just need 51 Senate Republicans to man up and stay in the chamber. So that's, so really is that simple. So in other words, like the rules currently exist. So we could, we don't have to change a thing right now. And a simple majority vote would force Democrats to have to speak to defend the position

they've taken. There are only three things that can ever happen on the Senate floor. A quorum call, a speech, and a vote. And if voting in quorum calls aren't taking place, speeches have to happen or you can vote on the question, right? That is what the essence of a filibuster is. It's a delay. It's speaking to delay the vote. Okay.

So if you have a quorum present, if 51 Republicans are present in the chamber and no Democrat is speaking, you can put the question. So we could get the government open if 51 Republicans just show up on the Senate floor right now? Yes. Well, yes. And they have to wait out the Democrat. It could take several days. If you were actually to play the scenario out, what I expect would happen is you'd attempt to put the question.

Democrats would send their young guns in, right? You'd see Cory Booker do a 24-hour speech. And then you'd see, you know, Ed Markey or, you know, any of these other younger senators would come down and give long, long speeches. You would have to wait until these are done. But the age of this of Democratic senators is approximately the age of the Republican senators. They can't sustain it. So you have to wait them out.

And as soon as they cannot speak any longer, you can put the question. Okay, somebody please clip this. Somebody please clip the exchange we're having right now because the president of the United States should be posting this to truth social. Because if what this takes is just get Republicans to do their jobs, we pay them a lot of money for, show up on the floor of the Senate, get the government open, force the Democrats to have to speak. What am I missing here, Rachel? This does seem like the obvious path. It does. But the modern Senate is not 51 of them being in one place for days, right?

They all have fundraisers. They're all running for different things now. They're running for higher office. They have constituents. They want to meet with. They have a million. They have family obligations. They do not want to have to sit on the floor for 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

It is hard, right? I don't want to undersell it. It's hard. Yeah, it's very tough. You know, it's way tougher than being, you know, a young enlisted person with a family who's not getting a paycheck for weeks on end, you know, or air traffic controllers or immigration guys or the snap benefits that are going to people who deserve them, not the people who don't deserve them. So in other words, like, yeah, okay, like, get on the floor. Get to the floor.

I just, I'm so glad you're saying this because I'm for restoring the Senate's filibuster rule to the pre-1970 level. I think that's the way it should be done. But even so, if it just takes 51 Republicans right now to get to the floor and force Democrats to run their mouths, do it. Because then Democrats are going to have to explain themselves to the American people on the microphone, on C-SPAN, for hours on in until they exhaust themselves. Yeah. No, the talking filibuster still exists. It just has to be forced. And we haven't seen a majority enforce it on a minority in a very, very long time. But they could do it. Okay. Well, let's see. Let's get it done. I'm loving this. All right, Rachel Bovart, thank you, as always, for all of your wisdom. Appreciate you. And please, stay in the fight and with any luck you know we'll see jack smith prosecutor and i'll bring you back when that happens to thank you can't wait great to see events great to see you there's uh the great

rachel bovart isn't that fun that's interesting so yeah do it now get to the floor get to the floor 51 republicans and i know it's like herding cats you got like susan collins and and and lisa murkowski there's you know there's some some sidewinders in there but just get them there just what's the deal Are you going to whip the Republicans, get them to show up, and force this thing open? Let's do it. Let's do it now. We've got the opportunity. Let's do this thing.

Let's talk about the food stamp thing. So, as you know, there are people who are really on the edge right now about whether or not they're going to get the food assistance that they rely on to keep feeding their families right now. And there are definitely Americans who could use the support, who are hungry, who are poor, who need them. food stamps as a means to subsist and those are people that we should be looking out for we also have a program that is rife with fraud that is overwhelmed by people who have been drawing on it forever who are able-bodied who have just become completely dependent on government who've settled into that position we also have illegal aliens who've been drawing from that system so it's a system that's in desperate need of reform and for more on this i want to play a clip for you

This is about food stamps as the United States Department of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins. She said, we arrived on the scene this year and we discovered that there are thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens who have been taking money from food stamps. Take a look here. Cut five. Watch this. There's been a lot of miscommunication out there on the program. But this is one of the first things we did when I walked in the day, day one of USDA, February 13th, is what we're. We sent letters to every governor in America being very clear that no illegal aliens can use SNAP. Zero, zero, zero. We asked every state for the first time in history, and this was in February, to send us their data

and let us with Doge and a war room actually start going through this data to better understand how this explosion of SNAP benefits happened under Joe Biden. We increased almost 40% on this program in just a couple of years under the Biden administration. Since we have asked for that data, 29 states have complied. Of course, almost all the red states, a couple of the, you know, the couple of blue states, too. But in that data, and I haven't talked about this yet publicly, in that data, we have found, we've studied about $100 billion in spend. We have found thousands and thousands of illegal use of the EBT card. We have been moving people off of SNAP.

We've got almost 700,000 people, I think. we've moved off just since the president took office we've arrested about 118 people so this has been ongoing the Biden administration imported people into our country by the millions by the millions and when they did they put everybody on public assistance a lot of people a lot of federal tax dollars flowing to people who should not be receiving that money I'll remind you about the way people came into our country under Biden they kicked open the borders And they said, go ahead, cross the Rio Grande, pour into the country, come across the border. And when people did, first and foremost, they illegally immigrated.

They came across the border illegally. And then after they did, they would turn themselves into border patrol. And they would claim a, quote, credible fear. They were coached into these claims, despite the fact that they did not in any way qualify for asylum in the United States. They would begin the asylum process. and so the next step would be that they were paroled into the country they were already in the country illegally but they were given a parole status to be able to stay here while their asylum claim was adjudicated well that filled up that filled up the public dependency roles people started

taking massive numbers of food stamps and so what you're hearing brooke ronlins describe is we found millions upon millions thousands upon thousands millions upon millions you can safely conclude of illegal aliens on food stamps. Biden did that. And so that needs to end. We've got, look, we have a country of over 300 million people, as you, as you probably well know. Over 40 million people in the United States right now are on food stamps. Many of them are not citizens of the United States. 40 million people, that's greater than 10% of our entire country's population is on the food stamp rolls right now. So if there's one area of government spending that desperately needs to be fixed and right-sized and preserved for people who are

actually here who live here who are American citizens who need in desperate need of help we need to fix that program for them we had a court over the weekend indicate that the the president needs to find ways to give money to this program right now and the president even posted to truth social he said that he is working hard to make sure that food stamp benefits can still go to Americans who need it. The president posted the truth social that his government lawyers right now don't think we have the legal authority to just pay snap that is food stamps with certain monies that we have available. And we now have two courts who have issued conflicting opinions on this. He says, I don't want Americans to go hungry just because radical Democrats refuse to do the right thing

and reopen the government. The president says he's instructed his lawyers to ask the court to clarify how we can legally fund food stamps as quickly as possible. It's already delayed enough due to the Democrats keeping the government closed through the monthly payment date. And even if we get immediate guidance, it will unfortunately be delayed while states get the money out. He says it will be his honor. It will be my honor to provide the funding, just like I did with military and law enforcement pay. So the president is pointing to the fact that there are definitely Americans out there who do need food stamps right now who could use the help who could use the food for their families and he said that my job is to make sure that they get fed and so he's looking at creative ways to fund the um

the got the people who need this so food stamps he's trying to find funding military he's been working to find funding law enforcement he's been working to find funding the president is trying to triage this situation to figure out a way to take care of the people who most desperately need it right now and um it doesn't have to be this way it doesn't have to be this way and i would if i'm the white house right now i'm taking rachel's advice you might think that everybody knows this it's not the case not everybody knows these these senate rules down down to the level that say rachel bovar does including people within the white house who may not even be aware of what's available to them right now that is a great piece of advice encourage these senate republicans to get 51 people on the

floor and force these Democrats to have to ramble until they don't have anything else to ramble about until they're exhausted and when they're done that government gets reopened please do it please by the way I want to talk to Rachel about that some more does that mean we could get nominees through on that basis too because that seems like a good tactic doesn't it we can get us attorneys approved we can get a bunch of people through without having to deal with all this garbage might be worth it it might be worth it um okay so we uh we have the food stamp stuff here's um scott besson saying the president's working very hard to solve all of this right now uh here's here's do i have that fellas want to make sure yes i do cut 11 here's scott best

the treasury secretary watch president trump just truthed out that he needs to hear from the courts how this is going to be done and jake as you know that the best way for snap benefits to get paid is for Democrats, five Democrats, to cross the aisle and reopen the government. Right. But there is this contingency fund. And as recently as September 30th, the Agricultural Department had a memo saying that these funds, the contingency funds, I think it's about $5 or $6 billion, could be used to pay these benefits. Now it would only be two or three weeks, but that's a lot for people who need the food. Well, President Trump just, as I said, President Trump just truthed out that he's very anxious to get this done. And it's got to go

through the courts. The courts keep jamming up things. Democrats are in the middle of the Civil War and they should just open the government. That is the easiest way to do this. The easiest way to get people fed is for Democrats to stop prolonging human suffering for their own cruel advantage.

Pretty straightforward from the Treasury Secretary. How great has Scott Bessent been by the way? Hasn't he been wonderful? He's been, what a talented asset to have in that administration, the Treasury Secretary. He's been great. They could solve this right. Now, in fact, Scott Besson revealed something this weekend that you may not have known.

He said that the first year of the Trump administration has actually gone a long way towards reducing the deficit. They're spending way less money this year than Biden did in his final year in office. Take a look. Here's Scott Besson cut six explaining a little bit of fiscal responsibility on the way in the Trump administration. I believe that we are in a transition period here. As we are seeing, the Trump administration has cut back on government spending, Jake. What has gone unnoticed during the shutdown is for the fiscal year that in September 30th, the government spent less than it did the year before, and because the GDP grew, the GDP, which had been 6.4, the deficit to GDP, which had been 6.4, 6.5% deficit,

the highest when we weren't at war, weren't in a recession ever, we were able to bring it down to 5.9%. How hard have they been fighting to cut spending? How hard has this administration been fighting to achieve that? It's been difficult. They've faced all sorts of headwinds. Congress refuses to help them. You've got things like recisions

where the president's been able to cut some spending, but he's getting a lot of pushback from Congress as he attempts to do that. They're trying to impound money. They're trying not to spend as much. They're firing people at the Department. of education they've been firing federal workers during the shutdown until a judge and obama judge dived in the way they've been trying very hard to reduce the spending that this government does

and fortunately we get that that information that he's spending less than biden did which is not a shock but it is good to hear i i hadn't heard an update on that and there i have it from uh from the treasury secretary that's very cool let me end with um something kind of wonderful the uh the vice president of the United States J.D. Vance is hilarious. He's a he's a good American. And there's been there have been memes that have been going around for some time of J.D. Vance with like curly hair and a big fat face, like kind of a like a chunky sort of hilarious sort of bizarre looking version of J.D. Vance. So it should come as no surprise to you that on Friday for Halloween, the vice president chose to dress up as his own meme take a look happy Halloween kids and remember say thank you

this is so funny it's so good it's so good I was laughing to myself this weekend I had to show my wife I was like Allison come here look at this look at the vice president like but he's up to he's really good and uh you know with any luck the 48th president of the united states there he is you know who doesn't like that the left the left hates that the left they've already got jd derangement syndrome is it jddd s yeah there he is there's the meme we put the meme on screen i love that it's not too far off he's in better shape than his meme is but that's i think that's by design um hey i got a big national radio show coming up today I believe we have, let me verify, yep, we've got confirmation.

I will have Thomas Speciali on today, the Intel community guy who confronted John Brennan. He's on the radio show today. So be sure to tune in for that. We'll have him in the third hour today. And I'm always grateful to have you. You're the best audience anywhere. God bless you. Great to have you with us today.

I'm back with you tomorrow.