The Dan Bongino Show - Their Plan Is Obvious (Ep. 2507)

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

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What happened? You weren't here on Friday? I'd said it, but I understand. A lot of people are busy. I don't expect you to, like, hang on every word for the show. I was just up at an event for a friend of mine who was leaving his public service, worked for the Trump administration and us, and there was no way I could have done the show. So everything is good, but having that Friday off,

there is a ton of stuff to catch up on. I was sending these poor guys emails all weekend. Their plan is obvious as the title of the show. Did you see this immigration riot up in New York? You see what's going on here, right? This is basically the heckler's veto at a grand scale. that. Mayor Giuliani, pray for him. He's apparently in a little bit of rough condition in the hospital right now. Just want to speak about that for a minute because I had some experience there, and that's

a bigger story than I think you think. Mayor Giuliani's voice is invaluable. We got that. And also some explanations about what happened. I haven't had the chance to cover the new video about the White House Correspondents Association attempted assassination. So I'm going to address that as well. So I've got a loaded show, a lot to get to. Plus, even more, we have former press secretary, Sean Spicer, an amazing guy. He'll be coming on and talk about his new book, Trump 2.0. You're going to want to check that out. Folks, a lot of Americans are trying these weight loss injections.

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I saw this pretty cool video on X of a, what appears to be a C-17 car plane, military transportation flight, rolling into Beijing for President Trump's anticipated visit to Beijing, obviously in China, but there are some leftist listening, so you don't really know. The reason I'm showing you this

is not to show you a cool video of a plane landing in China, but fairly enough, the United States Secret Service, where I worked for 12 years, is being heavily scrutinized now over what happened that the White House correspondents did or notice. I said fairly enough. I have been one of the people who said, hey, of course we should ask questions,

and I hope they have answers. And the Secret Service has always been very responsible on learning things when things do go wrong. We even had a thing like after action reports called helpful hints that would go out on email because every time you do a visit, some little thing is always going to go wrong. And, you know, this was a big thing.

So they are getting some scrutiny. I just want to tell you, like, there are a lot of really amazing people and talented people there, though, who do a lot of amazing work? And do you realize what goes into a trip to China? I'm showing you this plane because you have any idea how much equipment is on that.

That's probably one of, I think, four or five that are going to roll in there. We bring everything. People used to ask me all the time, How the hell do you take the president to the largest surveillance state in the world? One of the most powerful economies on earth. The Chinese Communist Party run state. How do you take them there and make sure they're not listening, that they're not watching,

they're not recording, they're not planning some, at least some renegade fringe group, not planning an attack? The way you do it is you just bring everything with you. You transform your little pocket of the country, whether it's the hotel, wherever they're staying. The Mandarin, whatever the hell they're going to stay. I don't know. I'm just making it up. They just take over the whole place

and they transport a mini White House. Cars, weapons, comms equipment, everything. We use all our own stuff. That's those planes. I've flown on those planes in the jump seats. It is not comfortable. That's why you bring like a little yoga mat

or whatever you just sleep on the floor. And the floor gets really cold at altitude too. I've been there. These guys, they do a lot of good work. So you got to take the good with the bad. You don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Thank you to all the men and women there who do serve and keep the president safe.

But the old adage we used to have in the Secret Services, no one ever thanks you for the president getting home safe. And it's okay, that's the job. That's the job. But we are going to look at this video. Now, having said that, that's why I started off with some good news. I'm always going to give you both sides of it, especially having worked there.

But I can't let loyalty get in the way of some, you know, of the news cycle. We have to be objective. Before I get to that, if I don't mention this, I think the guys inside will be a mutiny. They'll be like to organize a union. They'll start striking or whatever, which is, you know, you can do that.

That's fine. Whatever. It's May the 4th. He had to put out these little star, oh, no, come on. Really, they got me in the OB-1 attire now, too? I did not authorize this on the show that, no, no, I'm not a talented lights. I did not do this either. Who is this?

Why is this a stormtrooper? This is obviously Boba Fett. I know the emperor. And then we got the white stormtrooper here too. Oh no, it's going to be some like SPLC thing. Maybe they'll evade the studio. There's a black and a white stormtrooper. I'm sure this become an SPLC event coming up soon. So it is May the 4th. It's like a Star Wars international holiday. So to all the star wars fans in the chat. Very nice guys. I am not nearly that good looking. So I appreciate it. If you're missing this, go to Rumble and you'll see what I mean on Apple and Spotify. back to the serious stuff. The Secret Service, their job at a site is to mitigate threats from what I would call the big six. There are a ton of threats, but the big six, you have to prioritize.

A tactical assault, a medical emergency, a chem bio attack, an IED or VBID, airborne, an airborne attack, planes, drones, whatever it may be. And then I put the F and there's fire, earthquake, like geologic type stuff. Those are the big six. You have to have an A to Z plan for all of those big six. Now, there's an argument to be made that the president was evacuated

safely at the correspondence dinner and that the inner perimeter held. But I think there's very little doubt that we have to rethink how we do the middle perimeter, including serpentines, slowing down. You shouldn't allow people to run up on you like that because if there were people following through, say there were 10 or 30 members of that

I'm an attack team. This would have been a lot different. So I know they're going to learn from this. But this came out this past weekend. I didn't get the comment on it because I was off on Friday. It's video of one of the Secret Service canines. And it looks like you'll see the subject walking through the doorway there, Cole Allen, and you'll see the dog following through the doorway and then comes back out.

Now, I know there was a lot of speculation on Twitter or elsewhere. And to be fair, the dog walks out of the dog. the, then you'll see the subject call Allen run through the door and obviously you know the rest. So you see him walk through. Again, keep this running on VO if you could just for a minute or two. You see that. I don't know what the dog does there. He's out of the frame for about a second or two and it comes back in. I was not a K9 handler. However, we worked with the K9 handler units all the time. We had to be intimately familiar as lead advance agents. I was one of them on how they work. There was some speculation that the dog may have been interested in the ammunition and the

gunpowder. That is not typically the case. They are around ammunition and gunpowder all the time. I mean, they're perfectly capable, of course, of sniffing out this stuff. But they don't typically alert to that. I think what happened here, and any canine handler in the chat, you are free to jump in. However, again, just given my experience working with them, there's a lot of airflow that comes in through doorways and hallways. Did the subject have some residue on him from handling something? Maybe. Did the subject alert the dog for other reasons? Was it some kind of pheromones he was given off? I don't know. The dog is interested, but it could just be the doorway. I'm not telling you that this wasn't, obviously the subject should have alerted folks,

and there probably should have been some kind of a response here earlier. I'm just telling you, like I see a lot of the internet speculation. And the dog does, I'm not going to say what it is, obviously, but a canine dog is trained to do a very specific thing if it senses something like an explosive. And the dog from what we see in the video does not do that thing. I'm just going to make this up with it because I don't want to tell you what it is. You probably already know, I'm probably not classified, but it's still, I don't want to put it out there. Say the dog would, whatever, wags its tail 20 times in this direction. You don't see that happen. It's a lot simpler than that. But you don't see that happen. So I'm just, again,

I'm just putting information out there. This will be scrutinized. Obviously, the Secret Service directors on it. They're looking at it now. Here's another thing that came out this past week. I didn't get to comment on. Judge Janine Piro has the case out of D.C. She's the D.C. United States attorney. Her office released some video. of the subject in the case. You can see, and some of the stuff, he appears to be casing out the location in advance, you know, looking at this.

This is a good argument for what I had discussed when this happened. What is it, a week and a half, two weeks ago now. Time just flies by. You see him now, the subject walking by, giving a little, like, nod to people walking down the hallway, clearly casing out what was the round. And he goes in the gym, looking around in the gym. Was he looking for a place to change?

to get to put together the firearm. I guess we'll find that out during the trial or during some of the documents. However, my point on this is that both the hotels and the private entities that we use and Secret Service are going to have to expand their personnel dramatically when a presidential visit comes, and they're going to have to expand the counter-surveillance footprint.

The counter-surveillance footprint is meant to counter-surveillance like this. This guy's surveilling the scene. That's what he's doing. And the Secret Service has teams, but their manpower is not great. They just don't have a ton of resources. And you know me, I'm not to throw money at a guy problem. However, this is a resource problem. There's simply no doubt about it.

They just don't have enough people. If you had had people out there in advance in some undercover capacity roaming the hallways, this guy may have at a minimum alerted some people who would have been like, hey, what's this guy roaming around the gym for? What's he doing, suspiciously looking around, asking questions? Just an idea. Again, Monday morning quarterbacks, everybody can be one, but I feel like it's a responsible thing to do

to both celebrate the work, but also discuss how it can improve and get better. A little bit, and then you see, of course, obviously the magnetometer is coming down early. I hope that changes. I think we're going to have to now, when the president is off-premises, that's when the magnetometer comes down.

And, you know, they'll probably say, well, we had another one. I get it. I understand. I'm just saying, And I think that's probably going to change for the future. Because also, remember, it's not just that the other magnetometer is down. It's that it distract certain personnel who are busy taking down the magnetometers.

You can see you've got two guys who've got to box it up. Those could have been two more people out there. So I think that part is definitely going to change moving forward. Having said that, the president who, President Trump, but I will never forget after Butler, he's obviously shot in the ear. you know, millimeters from being murdered and assassinated on live television. I mean, I can't even imagine what happened if he doesn't turn his head. Now, I don't even want to think about it.

I spoke to him, I think it was two days later at the RNC. It may have been the next day. Forgive me, I don't remember the date. There's about something completely different. But I had to call him. I really was hesitant. The guy had just been shot in a year. I promise you, though.

I'd never abuse the privilege. I've called him rarely, but I had to speak to him. He brought this up like nothing had happened. When I tell you, like, this guy is as cool as the other side of it, like a satin pillow, I am not messing with you. He gets shot in the ear. He has this existential life crisis where one millimeter in either direction and he's dead. And he mentioned it like, oh, yeah, man, thankfully turn my head, no big deal.

What else you got? Like, that was it. I only bring that up because you had another assassination attempt. He's in the Oval Office, and a reporter asks him about wearing body armor. And this is just classic President Trump. Here's President Trump's answer. Check this out. Is there talks about you potentially wearing a bulletproof vest moving forward, given you have now been shot at?

I don't know if I can handle looking 20 pounds heavy. These guys, they look so good. Some of these guys. Some of these guys are physical specimens. Some of these guys should drive a wheel mouse. I don't want to be near him. I love it. How do you not love this guy?

How does he keep getting elected? That's how. People want to like politicians. This guy's got to be the most likable guy if you're not a left-wing lunatic. He's just hilarious. You know, I don't want to look at it again anyway. Great point, by the way, in the chat, Arctic Connor. Hey, damn, what about using AI ahead of a visit to

analyze video for potential threats. Art-I-Connor. Art-I-Connor. I don't know where the break is in there. Absolutely fantastic suggestion. I hope some of the Secret Service people are listening. They may already be working on that project, so I don't know.

They may already be doing it. That is a fantastic idea. That is exactly what AI would be good for. You're in an open space in the hotel hallway. We're not using it in people's hotel rooms. There's no REP, reasonable expectation of privacy, in a public hallway, or out in front of the hotel, you are 100% correct.

Whose movement patterns are different. Who's moving furtively? Absolutely awesome idea. But that's President Trump. He is a transformative figure in American politics like we've never seen. I'll get into that with Sean Spicer later too. That's great. I love crowdsourcing, man.

You guys are fantastic in the chat. I don't know what I do without you. Maybe changing the course of the Secret Service. Someone may be looking at that now. I'm not sure, though, people. understand also the because as time goes by people people forget I mean think about it right about political figures they just do one of the most transformative political figures in American history is a president I'm absolutely sure if you were to ask a thousand people

a good chunk of them have no idea who he is they're probably mostly limbs because you conservatives read up in your stuff however James Polk you're like James Polk no I'm not kidding. James Polk, like the entire western portion of the United States would probably be different if it wasn't for Polk. And yet, he's almost never spoken about ever. People just forget over time. I got this friend one time. He asked him, but all seven, he's like, legacy. He's like, you make legacy my ass. He's like, you know, two generations from now, I won't even remember your name. Probably right. Live your life, enjoy yourself, do the right thing. Legacy now. Just do the right thing. I bring that up because an American hero, Rudy Giuliani, as you can see from this Fox report,

is apparently in the hospital in critical but stable condition. I woke up to this this morning and was horrified. Folks, Rudy Giuliani is one of my, maybe my political, if I had to rank him, he's easily one or two. I don't know. I mean, Rudy Giuliani, I worked for him as a police officer. I didn't work for him directly. He was the mayor.

I mean, he wasn't talking to me. Hey, Dan, I was a rookie cop. I'm going to tell you something was one of the greatest honors in my lifetime. I'm not sure you understand how transformative a figure he was, folks. He had that Trumpian attitude where, like, we're just going to come in here

and break stuff and fix it and make it even better. And it was, nobody knew what to do with him. By the way, New York City media, Al Sharpton and others, accused Rudy Giuliani of the exact same things are accusing President Trump of fascist, Nazi, racist, all that shit. It was all over the New York City media

every single day. Giuliani's approach that without public safety, you have nothing. You have nothing. If people aren't safe to do business, there's no business. If people aren't safe to send their kids to school, they won't go to school.

If people aren't safe to open a supermarket, the supermarket won't open and people won't eat. That's it. He comes in there, implements broken windows, policing with William Bratton and Jack Maple, who was the first deputy commissioner in the NYPD where they said, no, we're not going to let you pee in the street. We're not going to let you like out there, you know, disorderly conduct harassing people on it. We're not going to let

you jump the turnstile. We're not letting that happen. That stuff was all overlooked. He came in there transformed the whole city by saying the little stuff is the big stuff. Weird. President Trump and his FBI and DOJ. and his DEA and his U.S. Marshals, it wasn't just us, implemented the exact same approach. I talked about it on Sean Hannity's podcast, which is close to a million views now. Oh, man, thank you, guys.

I didn't know I put this in the show. Oh, that's a really great picture. There's Rudy Giuliani and me at the 9-11 Memorial. The day after with Charlie there. Gosh, what a great picture. I was just telling him, I'll get that smile on his face. That's really cool, guys. I'm glad you had to, you found that.

I didn't even realize that was out there. Can you send out to Paula? I need that. Yeah, I need that. I told him what an honor it was to work for him. Oh, there he was on the podcast. Mr. Mayor, I really hope you pulled through. I mean, this New York City and the model of this country is in a,

I'm telling you right now, this country's in a far different place because of you. everything we did at the FBI. And I appreciate the very nice tweet by Director Patel, who's fantastic. But Director Patel and I will both tell you, without the model Rudy Giuliani set in New York of broken windows, none of that ever happens. I want to remind you, too, after 9-11, at the end, towards the end of his second term. I mean, the end end. Rudy Giuliani could have been taken to a bunker as 9-11's happening.

I remember 9-11 vividly. I was a young agent. I was only out of training a couple of years. or a year actually. Rudy Giuliani stayed down there, and this is what real leadership looks like. Here's a reminder of what it looked like on 9-11 with the great Rudy Giuliani.

Check this out. Some people should remain calm. They should remain where they are, except if they are in southern Manhattan. If you're below Canal Street, you should walk out in southern Manhattan and walk north. These people are doing right here.

All right, that's cool. Do you know, that's cool? All that we know right now is the two airplanes struck the two large towers of the World Trade Center. We spoke to the White House. There also apparently was an attack on the Pentagon. We asked that the airspace around the city of New York be sealed by military aircraft. We've been informed that it has been, and we've seen military aircraft on the air. So we're hopeful that right now things are secure. We need all of the open space we can get to evacuate people, to get people up, and we're going to have to move down the whole north.

I can't thank you enough, Mr. Mayor. I really can't. I can't pit my microphone there. Guy was amazing to work for. Let me throw one more thing in there, because I want to contrast this with the news going on right now with a guy on the other end of the spectrum, the pathetic, revolting mayor, Zoran Mamdami, who is the exact opposite of leadership. This guy is totally full of shit. You want to watch the city deteriorate. Good, you're watching it right now.

I don't. I grew up there. I love New York City. New York City, I love you. You were my home. I was born there. I was raised there. My wife, when she left Columbia,

she was there from a, she lived in the Bronx. She lived in Queens. We are New Yorkers. What are you doing in this great city? Giuliani showed you the way, man. Now you see this. I'm going to show you this Fox Report here in a minute, an immigration riot as they try to clean up the city, get a handle on the

massive illegal immigration problem, cities being taken over by illegal immigration. And what's happening? You got riots. Why do I bring this video up? Because in the Giuliani days, the mayor before Giuliani was who? Any of you remember folks in the chat? Who remembers New York City history? David Dinkins.

Dinkins was like a communist himself. He was like the pre-Mam-Dami Mamdani. He was so bad they called him Stinkins. Giuliani beats Dinkins. He loses to him the first time, beats him the second time. David Dinkins, when there was a riot going out of New York, is alleged to have been like, oh, let them kind of blow off some steam kind of thing.

Giuliani took a different approach to rioting in New York City. You know what his approach was? What do we do with the first guy who throws a rock? We arrest him. What about the second guy? You arrest him too. What about the third guy? There is no third guy because you've arrested

the first two throwing rocks. That's why Giuliani had the whole riot situation contained. He's like, we ain't having that shit in my city. No way. I don't care what the damn media says. Now you see this in New York where the place, folks, it took decades for Giuliani, decades of damage for Giuliani to fix,

and it can just be dismantled in minutes with Mamdami. Look at this crap. You see this? This is just insane. that you're going to see this all over New York City because this is their plan. This is why I titled the show this. Their plan is to dismantle broken windows policing,

public safety, you know, controlling any kind of civil disorder. They're going to throw this all out the window. And it can be dismantled so quickly because I lived through it. It took Rudy Giuliani eight years to get the city. It was back quickly to like sanity, but to get it back to flourishing took a long time. This guy's going to rip this thing apart.

You believe this? The answer is you better because it's happening right now. I'll say again, the power of prayer is magical. Say a prayer for one of the political heroes of our generation, the great Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Love you, man. A lot of like man Panyan love right there. All right, I'm going to take a quick break here.

I'm going to show you what's going on at DOJ because this is really important, ladies and gentlemen. There's a very important post for the nothing is happening, Dumers. Again, the transformation is happening. It's going to take time, but it's not going to take a perpetual amount of time. It's already in the middle-to-middle-end stages, even after a year. And it's going to pay massive dividends. So much so, the New York Times is whining about it in a tweet. What is it?

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I've always said, you know, the Milton Friedman line, you know, when you talk about liberty, talk about it with a smile. You live in the greatest country on earth at the greatest time to be alive during the most transformative presidency in United States history. I am the greatest honor of my life as having worked for Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump. Watch a New York City transform and the United States transform like that is just been incredible. But you've got a group of people out there and want you to believe nothing is happening. People are sitting on their asses.

And I'm going to show to you that that is, nonsense. So first, I'll give you the bad news first. Another explosive Fox report came out this weekend about prior Department of Justice leadership under the Biden administration doing something totally expected of them, of course, targeting Christians. Of course you would expect they would do that. They just hate Christians. They hate religion. They just do. They can't stand any power greater than the state and religion's competition for the far leftist. Here was a report on Fox about this. And just to show you that things are happening in response to this, I'll show you a follow-up, a tweet by the New York Times after this,

but check this out. The Department of Justice-led task force to eradicate anti-Christian bias, released 14 findings that paint a picture of the Biden presidency that went beyond disagreement and moved to punishing Christians who held conservative religious beliefs in conflict with the administration's pro-choice gender ideology agenda. The report found the Biden DOJ brought multiple cases against pro-life acts. activists, many of them Christians, under the Face Act, the freedom of access to clinic entrances. Email correspondence shows prosecutors privately mocked Christian pro-life views as culty and pursued

more severe charges in harsher sentences for peaceful protests or pro-life defendants. Totally completely unsurprising, religion, faith, God is an anchor in your life, is competition for what? The state. The left loves the state, progressives, uh, communists, uh, communist, or all euphemisms are the same thing. The left loves the state. They worship the state. They genuflect in front of it. They don't worship a God.

Their God is the state, and that's a small G. Now, here's the problem with this, because, again, I'm just here to be real and give you the truth. There is a thing, and I want you to, you know, again, tattoo this on your brain, so you understand how prosecutors work, whether it's an assistant district attorney, a district attorney, a United States attorney, an assistant United States attorney. they have this thing called prosecutorial discretion. It's very simple to understand. They are in no way obligated to prosecute a crime.

There's no law against them not doing it, okay? If the United States attorney in a specific area issues what's called the declination letter, they can do it for a thousand reasons because they have prosecutorial discretion. I'm not telling you the reasons they're legitimate. I'm just telling you they can do it. they can say we don't have enough manpower,

it didn't meet some economic loss threshold. When I was working credit card fraud cases as a young secret service agent, we used to go to this guy, Joe, he was the intake AUSA and EDNY, he's from District of New York, and he'd say, I'm sorry, he's just not enough loss. We don't have enough United States attorneys for it.

He'd say, go ask the state and locals. So there's nothing illegal about it. Now, there is clearly something unethical about using prosecutorial discretion to prosecute people for their religious beliefs, clearly. But a lot of people did a dance around it and tried to cover their tracks. If there's some criminality over there,

I hope they're digging into that. I'm obviously on the outside now. However, the New York Times is freaking out because this Department of Justice, formerly under Pam Bondi, now under Todd Blanche, this Department of Justice has moved a whole boatload of people out. Peter Baker at the New York Times is losing his mind over it. So again, like, it's weird how you see like the Dumer Classic.

Well, nothing's happening. Really? This is the New York Times whining about what's happening. So which story is it? As Trump turns the Justice Department into an instrument of political retribution, more than a quarter of its lawyers have been fired or quit. Keep this up for a second. That's a large number, folks.

Why would they quit? Maybe they wanted to use their prosecutorial discretion to go after Christians and this DOJ wasn't having it. some 3,402 lawyers out of a total of 12,955 left the department since the beginning of last year. Now, yeah, obviously there's going to be manpower turnover, but ladies and gentlemen, people are policy. And I'm going to tell you something. You may have lost a couple of good people out of they left for other reasons. However, a good chunk of these people that left because they wanted to go after using prosecutorial discretion,

people for political reasons, not for justice-related reasons. things are happening and they're happening fast it's only been a year i bring that up in context tie in the show and weave and everything together in the context of rudy juliani's new york because i remember as a citizen in new york what it was like when he first got in there when he first got in there uh was it 92 the city was a i'm sorry folks it was a total mess it was an absolute disaster. They had something like 2,500 plus homicides a year. It was insane. The bond market had left in one way to London. It was just crazy. There was garbage everywhere, squeegee men trying to wash your windows. Eight years later, after this man's leadership, and he had to move a little

slower because he had a Democrat City Council and elsewhere, President Trump's been able to move quickly, a kind of lightning speed, even without the Senate, which we have, but we don't have a filibuster proof majority. Still, he had a mousseau, but it took him a long time and the city was in a better place. I just don't want you to lose the big mo momentum for the midterms and fall into this dumer trap. Oh, nothing's happening. Yes, call for accountability. Ask the questions. We did it at the beginning of the show, but give a balanced perspective on this stuff as well, or else all you're doing is alienating people on hyperbolic language. I know, nothing is happening. And something happens, you just ignore it. I can't emphasize it enough, folks.

This is the single biggest problem we have right now in our conservative movement is internal attacks from inside the tent. That's why, by the way, I am all in on nuking to filibuster. But before I get to that, there are still obstacles we're going to have to deal with in the justice system. Now, obviously, the judiciary is a separate branch of government than the executive, the president, DOJ, FBI. However, there is a big problem out there right now. You know it, I know it. We're going to address it right now. Judge Jeanine Piro was on Fox this weekend talking about this with regard to the Federal Reserve investigation.

Ladies and gentlemen, the judge, Judge Janine in D.C. has prosecutorial discretion. I know you liberals only like that when they go after Christians, but she has every right to look into potential fraud in the massive cost overruns in the construction of the Federal Reserve Bill. She has every right to do that. I know you don't like it. Nobody gives this shit what you like. That is perfectly within her purview to do that. And a renegade judge took it upon himself to take over basically executive branch powers and squash the judge's subpoenas to gain records to look at this.

Don't mess with the judge because she's not having any of it. She's part of a separate branch of government. She's entitled to speak her piece too. Until we get better judges in there. that respect the Constitution and are not political actors, we're still going to have this obstacle. Not an excuse, just an explanation. Check this out.

Jerome Powell at the Fed. He will no longer be the chairman. That will be Kevin Warsh. But he is going to stay on there as one of the board members. You have until May 4th to decide whether you're going to appeal the quash subpoena against the Fed for information you're looking for. That's on Monday. Have you made a decision yet?

Oh, I made a decision a long time ago, Dana. There is no question but that we will appeal Judge Bolsberg's quashing of our subpoenas requesting information. You've got billions of dollars in cost overruns on a very small project. And when a federal judge believes that he can stand in front of the door of the grand jury and prevent a prosecutor from going in, when the United States Supreme Court has said the prosecutor can go in on suspicions or rumor, we've got to appeal. decision and we will appeal that decision. We await the decision of the Inspector General of Michael Horowitz and based upon that decision we will then decide what we're going to do. Again, that's going to be a big obstacle going forward. We've already seen it with a number of

high level indictments that happened when I was at the FBI. You know, you have judges getting the way, getting in the way with I think absurd interpretations of what they think is the law. Not an excuse but an explanation. It's going to take it. take time. How does that relate to the midterms? We can't lose the midterms. If we lose the Senate, we will never get another judge appointed. Listen to me, folks, please. Cut this clip and send it around. All the clippers out there do this stuff. Please, we lose the Senate in the midterms. If, even by a sliver, we will never get another judge in the Trump administration's final two years appointed to the bench. And it doesn't matter what the DOJ or FBI or DEA or Marshals or ATF does. It

It doesn't matter. It's going to get blocked by activist judges. We have got to flags in the chat. Yeah, damn right. We have got to hold the Senate and keep the House. We have to. It's not an option. Do not fall into the doom and gloom trap. Thank you, folks in the chat. Flags in the chat. We cannot lose. That is also unintentional, but I got to say a pretty good segue. Self-prace sucks. Aunt Jane said it. Aunt Jane, love you, Aunt Jane. God rest your soul. She was my godmother, my mother's sister. That's why she's Aunt Jane. She had the best house parties growing up. Christmas. Remember her families used to get together?

Now everybody's on like social media, sending each other like TikTok videos. Get back to that. It's great. Big family parties. I'm serious. Get a keg of beer. I'm not kidding.

We used to get like an old nasty. You know those kegs they were horrible. No drinking and driving. Get yourself an Uber. no excuses. Use the greatest social lubricant of all time and just have a good time with your family. Go on to music.

I remember my aunt used to love the Duke of Earl. Remember that song? Duke of Earl. And then she'd play some Rod Stewart and everybody be dancing. Ah, I sound like an old guy now, reminiscent about the Halcyondees. Okay, back to the serious stuff.

This is why your host, Dan Bonjino, is all in on nuking the filibuster. Folks, this is President Trump at his finest. He's asked a question in the Oval about nuking the filibuster, and he does not hold back. I get it. I know some, I don't want to say establishment figures because I don't mean it as an insult, but some old guard Republicans are saying, the Senate's meant to be the cooling chamber.

We nuke the filibuster. They're better at big government than us. Folks, they're better at big government in us regardless. They've already moved a needle. We've done very little outside of the BCA and the tax cuts to control government spending. So why not nuke the filibuster, which the Democrats, the second they take over, are going to do anyway. How do we know they've already told us they're going to do it? I may play that clip tomorrow.

They've already said they're going to nuke the filibuster. If we do it now, we have a few months left with a majority only on the Senate, where we could move on just massive regulatory reform, tax reform, you know, economic policies, school choice, pro-life, we could do it all. We have a few months left to pack it all in. And they don't want to do it because they're like, well, you know, then the Democrats might do it to us. They've already said they're going to do it to us.

We might as well in SWAT analysis, take advantage of an opportunity to mitigate the threat now because the threat's not going anywhere. You don't believe me? Listen to President Trump on it. Check this out. If the Democrats ever get a shot, which probably based on history, sometimes they will,

They will use it in the first minute of the first hour, and they will execute all of the bad things, 21 justice. You know, they really like 21. I heard 13, but they really want 21 Supreme Court justices. And they really want to have D.C. and Puerto Rico become states. That would mean automatic four senators go into the Democrat column. And there's not even a chance that they don't do it and do it immediately.

Now, with that knowledge, because you could argue whether it's good, bad, but I don't think it's that much of an argument, frankly, but you could argue, with that knowledge that they're going to do it immediately, why wouldn't you do it as a Republican? Unless you have bad motives almost, but if we did it, we could pass one bill after the other. We could pass laws and acts and things that we never even dreamt of passing. And you know what else? We wouldn't lose for 50 years. Yes, he is correct. His instincts on this, please listen to this guy. The president. Republicans, I get it. I understand we've been doing business this way a long time. It reminds me of my time as an agent with the service

when people would say, well, why do we do that that way? Well, that's the way we've always done it. Well, is there a better reason? No. I heard that in the FBI, too. Well, why don't we clear state warrants? Because we've never done that before. Well, why not? Well, we're doing it now. Just because you've done something in the past doesn't mean it's correct in the accurate. way to do things. I get it. This is not in the Constitution, the filibuster. It is a practice that's been abused by Democrats. This is not the right way to operate. They are going to nuke the filibuster anyway. Here, listen to me. This is why this is so critical. You nuke the filibuster. You've now created ownership in the Senate. What do I mean? Pay attention to this. This is really important.

you've now created ownership. The Democrats, now, the Republicans in the Senate now, even though they have the majority, but not a filibuster-proof majority, every time they don't get something done, they can blame the demo. Oh, they're just blocking us with the filibuster. You have a majority rules in the Senate,

and we have the majority. Voters will go crazy if we don't pass stuff. You're not going to be able to blame folks in the chat. Is this making sense? You're not going to be able to blame the Democratic. Democrats anymore. This is a convenient pressure valve for Republicans who just don't want to do big things. Tax reform, pro-life, conceal carry, all of the stuff we've dreamed of, school choice. They just don't want to do it. Not all of them, not a good Republicans out there. Remember,

there's a limited pocket of people who just want to play cute. You're not going to be able to do that. You own it now. It creates ownership. It also creates ownership. for the Democrats. You want to go crazy and do crazy shit, defund the police and all the stuff. The country will collapse in a year or two. You guys will lose forever, just like Dinkins did in New York,

because you'll own it. You're not going to be able to blame Republicans. Oh, Republicans blocked our agenda on the filibuster show. We would have done it. You've got to do it. You're doing it anyway. It is time to get rid of this relic.

I'm sorry, I know there are different perspectives. Much respect to people who have them. There's a lot of smart, people in the space who've given very good, logical, reasoned arguments. But what the hurdle they can't get past is the Democrats are likely going to do it anyway because they've already said so. If they do it and we lose the Senate, you'll remember this conversation and be like, we should have listened.

And by the way, we better do it now while President Trump still has the initiative. Contrary to the doom and gloom out there that President Trump, is done. He's so unpopular. It's all BS, folks. They're just making that up. The numbers don't add up. We've been told President Trump's historically unpopular with the black community. President Trump has been transformative with the black community. He's gotten the most number of percentage of black votes than any Republican running for president by far ever. If this guy's a racist, racist, fascist, he's clearly the worst racist fascist we've ever seen. All right, Dan, recede. receipts in coming. Here's a CNN clip about exactly that.

What we're seeing right now in the numbers is President Trump and the Republican Party are chipping away at the long-term advantage that Democrats have had with black voters with African Americans. You can see it right here. Look, Trump's approval among African Americans at this point in term one, he was at 12 percent. You know, he's been losing ground with a lot of people. He's gaining. He's gaining ground with African Americans. He's up to 16 percent at this point. And you say this isn't that big of a shift.

But I will tell you, Republicans absolutely love this shift that's going on because Democrats have had such a long-term advantage. The fact that he's actually gaining ground versus where he was in term number one, this has major implications for elections down the line because Democrats, especially in a lot of these tight races, you talk about places like Georgia, right down in the south. You see this type of movement for Trump actually gaining ground? This could have major ramifications and help put Republicans over the top in a number of southern places in the midterm election. Hat tip at Overton underscore news. Another great site. Western Lensman, Maze Moore, Grabyn, and all of Tom Elliott just great guys from video. Receipts.

There you go. If he's so unpopular, how come he's gaining ground with black voters? How come he's gaining ground? Folks, if we're going to do it, Duke the filibuster. You got to. you got to move. You got to move your front lines in now. We don't have a lot of time.

To Senator Thune and others, I get it. At least implement a talking filibuster, please. I'm not going to get into the Republican on Republican. There's so much, I'm just telling you, like, something, something's got to give, man. Unless you have some kind of iron clad, which wouldn't be ironclad because they're Democrats, and they'll just change your mind anyway,

agreement that they're not going to nuke the filibuster-related, which you could never enforce, because new people are going to get voted in. I see no reason why we wouldn't do this. Now, listen, one of the problems we've had, and I got Sean Spicer, a press secretary from Trump 45 coming up regarding his new book, Trump 2.0, coming up in just a few minutes, you're going to love that interview. We get into all of it, new media, Nick Shirley, independent journalists, you're going to love it. Ladies and gentlemen, the problem we have had with black voters, Hispanic voters to a lesser degree, but still there, Asian voters, Jewish voters, Muslim voters,

Arab voters, Persian voters. I hate me blanket them all into one group, by the way. You know, Jamaican voters are different from voters from Rwanda. They don't like simplify the melanin content of people's skin. That's a leftist thing. However, for the sake of simplicity, when you're talking minority groups, however, granular you want again. The problem the Republican Party has had with minority voters in the past is not one of their own doing. Yeah, we probably could have done a better outreach job. I get it.

But folks, the hard reality is having been a candidate in a state with a significant black population in Maryland. I knocked on a lot of doors. Prince George's County is one of the wealthiest, largely black counties anywhere in the country. I knocked on a lot of doors when I ran for Senate in Maryland. A lot. thousands. And I was just stunned how many black voters I talked to, like actual human beings, not one, not two, not a hundred, like thousands between county fairs and door knocking, who are absolutely convinced that the rewriting of history, the media is done and the Republican party is true. It's just made up. I'll go through some just quick examples. The Great Depression.

Oh, the Republican Party, they were for people being poor, and they didn't get in the way of FDR, and the government saved everyone in the Great Depression. No, the government caused the Great Depression. The recession after the stock market crashed, there were a lot of factors that went into that. I wouldn't simplify it saying it was a government. The extended recession that turned into the great,

not-so-great depression that my grandparents lived through, that was the government that did that. Just look at the data. We were recovering from the stock market crash. I played that Thomas Soul clip a few weeks back covering this. We were recovering until big government got involved and started screwing with the economy and then it turned from the recession to the Great Depression.

That wasn't a Republican thing. That was a Democrat thing. They didn't help us. They hurt us. The whole idea that national socialism, the Nazi party was like a right-wing phenomenon. No, it wasn't right-wing. National socialism has socialism in the title for a reason.

What do you think the Nazis did? They did the same thing the communists did. They may have called it something different. Oh, but they fought with social. That was a power equation. That wasn't an ideological difference. They both owned and took over the means of production for government purposes. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, all of them.

National socialism is a left-wing phenomenon. Concentrated state power. Anyone telling you other one otherwise is bullshitting you. The civil rights movement. That was Republicans fighting against Democrats. Black voters have been told forever that there was some kind of like the civil rights we were fighting against those evil Republicans. Where did that happen?

That's total bullshit. It was the Southern Democrats we were fighting. Republicans led the civil rights movement. It's like, are you serious? There's more. European socialism. You'll hear now, like, oh, European socialism now. This is the, this is, they tell black voters, Hispanic voters, minorities.

We need more of Europe in our lives. We need bigger government like the Europeans who would. The Europeans are poor. Look at you guys. Beat me to the punch. These guys are getting good. Who is that? Andy, you did that?

Usually I got to give them the point. Joseph Sternberg, Wall Street Journal. What happens when Europeans find out how poor people? they are. Folks, this is real, like real numbers. The widening gap between American and European prosperity is among the most important facts, facts of the global economy. Listen to this. For all those Democrats, tell them minority voters and elsewhere, we want to be more like Europe. You sure? The clearest manifestation is the casimine per capita gross domestic product. $94,400 in the United States, according to the International Monetary Fund,

not some right-wing organization, by the way, compared with 65,300 in Germany, 61,000 in the UK, and 52,000 in France. Ladies and gentlemen, we have almost double the per capita GDP than France. And then when you ask Europeans,

where would you fit in, if you tiered yourself amongst the 50 states? Where do you tier yourself as Europeans in rank? Like who are you in front of and who are you behind amongst the 50 United States? Most of them will tell you this was an actual poll. They'll say, oh, we're probably just behind like New York and California. No, no, they're barely ahead of our poorest states.

Barely, barely. You have been lied to. And by the way, this isn't just minority voters. I'm just bringing this up in context of Trump has the initiative right now. He has unbelievable Hispanic black support, which is going to help him move the needle. I'm just telling you everything from the civil rights movement to the depression, to national socialism, to European socialism. You are being lied to. Europe is practicing everything right now Mamdami's doing in New York City in contrast to Giuliani. And Europe is getting freaking smoked.

They are getting smoked like a bad joint. I don't know what that's like. I never smoked. I didn't. I did not. I don't know what that feels like. Never tried any of these gum. or anything like that. So I don't know what that feels like. People tell me you get paranoid about it. I don't want to know. Europe is poor compared to us. Let me just give you the counter argument.

Sternberg mentions it in a piece I didn't throw an internet. Some of them will say, well, the United States sometimes the GDP per capita numbers are skewed by a number of big companies that exist in the United States. No shit, Sherlock. Why don't they exist in Europe? Because Europe's regulatory red tape, you know, national socialism, socialism, social Socialism, Democratic, sodom, whatever euphemism you want to want for collective government prevents them from going there. That's not an argument.

It's an argument for us, not for you. I'm going to show you one more argument here. Because when they can't win on the data, hey, Europe's great. We should be like them. Europe's poor. Oh, okay. Well, the United States is uniquely racist, so you should hate them anyway. Wait, what?

The progressive left and the communists want minorities to believe we, are unique, whether it was slavery, the fight for rights, or Jim Crow, they want you to believe the United States was uniquely bad. These are horrible stains on our history, no doubt. We all understand that, all of us. That is as period of full stop as ever going to get. However, they need you to believe that the United States is prosperity and we're so successful because we're uniquely evil. We were the only ones who did these things. That is not true, folks. Dwar cash Patel did a podcast with this guest,

and he was amazing on the show. Elon Musk had retweeted this. This is where I saw it. But this is what I'm talking about by the rewriting of history. You would be led to believe by people who want to tell you that America's a stain on the world, that, gosh, you know, violence was so unique, like the American Indians that were here before us.

They were all living here peacefully, you know, smoking the peace pipe around, listen, there were a lot of horrible things that happened, the trail of tears, we get it, we understand, we've all been taught that in school. But let's stop pretending that violence was unique to America. The idea of an act of initial aggression to take over a piece of land and hold that is unique to the United States is totally completely fabricated out of bullshit. Just about every society, state, collective group of people, tribe or elsewhere, has had to engage in violence or mass violence.

to gain or hold land. Acting like the United States is unique in this equation is not matched up by history at all. You doubt me? Listen to every second of this clip because the historical data about relics they find when they do excavations tells a completely different story. Check this out.

Ancient DNA has been very disruptive to conventional understanding of the past because after the Second World War, there had been a reaction where people said this initial idea that people had in the beginning of the 20th century, when people would see new types of pot. This is the arrival of a new people coming through invasion or through movement. And that was used by, for example, the Nazis to argue that these were spreads of Aryans moving across the landscape.

And the reaction after the Second World War was to say, we don't know this. And in fact, when you see the arrival of new types of material culture, pots, for example, or tools or ways of organizing. life, what you might be seeing is more the spread of culture. You might be seeing, for example, something like people copying use of a cell phone, or how could there be a big movement of people? You're looking at densely settled Europe with well-developed agriculture. How could it be that new people coming in from outside will unseat these people, disrupt these people? But then you look at the genetic data and there's a 50%, 70%, 90% population disruption. What happened when we

had these findings was some of our archaeologists, co-authors, really just were very distressed by the implication. One way or the other, you have some kind of people who expand demographically and displaced people, somehow rapidly displaced people over a period of well less than a century. Today in Colombia, 95% of the Y chromosomes are European, 95% of the mitochondrial DNAs are Native American. We know what happened there. It wasn't friendly. It wasn't peaceful. It wasn't nice. We really don't know what the past was like until we actually look at it and have hard data telling us what it's like. Our guesses, our models, are including many of mine, are likely to be wrong because we can see that, because when we have hard data, we're surprised. That was David Reich. Just talking about

facts, folks, however uncomfortable they are to hear, human beings have been warring with each other, killing each other, taking over land and holding land way before colonials made it to the United States and Europeans, you know, landed at Plymouth Rock. Stop pretending like what happened here was some unique stain on human history. There are a lot of stains on human history. They're not unique to us. And unlike most other societies on Earth that are still making the same mistakes, we fixed them.

You have any idea how many people died in the Civil War? The bloodiest battles in U.S. history and the bloodiest days in U.S. history were in the Civil War, frequently left out of the Congress. by history professors and others. We're uniquely evil. Cut the bullshit. That is not true, man. This is the real world.

This is a Mickey Mouse novel. Cut the shit, man. I'm tired of hearing it. Before I get the Sean Spiceroyer, I'm sorry, but I need to like... That always gets me upset, the rewriting of history by goofballs and people who don't do their homework.

Government fixed the Great Depression. Yeah, good job. Yeah, good job. chat. Tear it up. Damn right. President Trump's a guy who doesn't take a lot of BS. I told you before, man, this guy, I think this guy, I have some, you know, Aaron Wexler's a really funny comedian. There was that guy, Ben, is it Ben Banka? These guys are just hilarious and ladies. They're really, I love comedy. I hit a kick out of it. Sebastian Manascalco so cracks me up. I saw him live in concert. Dude was freaking hilarious. His opener was really funny, too. I forget the guy's

name. He was talking about hotel towels, how when you're home, you'll use a towel like 40 times until it walks away itself. And then you go to a hotel and you just look at a towel and you throw it on the floor. I thought that was like the best observational comedy bit because it's so true. I think Donald Trump has a career in comedy when he's done. If he's interested, this guy can sell out arena is just riffing. Here he is at an event talking about Ilhan Omar and the brother marrying episode. Ladies and gentlemen, this is just an instant classic. Want to talk about Trump 2.0? Check this out. She married a brother to come in.

I don't know. You know, you're not. But I think I would imagine they're looking at her. I have nothing to do with it. I would imagine. Of course, I have nothing to do. I have nothing. But I believe she married her brother, which is totally illegal. Although it's a lovely couple, actually, but it's a little,

it's a little bit on the illegal side. darling i love you very much good night brother let's go to bed isn't she despicable i can't stand watching i can't stand mottley's in the chat tearing it up the guys inside i look over there and you know these guys are always like paying attention to the show everybody's sitting in it we've heard this like 20 times because we've you know i played the clip we cut the clip we do a pre show review a pre pre show review we've seriously seen this 20 times it's still we got a guy in there we're like 30 monthlies. I've given up on the five-monthly limit. This guy, if he wanted to be a comedian, he could.

The body armor line, why is he so likable? Because he's got the Geneseecois. One thing the French is good at are the Geneseecois. What's the Geneseecois. I don't know. Some of you will get that joke. If I knew it, I'd bottle it. I'd write a book, 12 steps to the Geneseecois.

The guys just got it. Good night, brother. Good night, brother. All right, quick break. We have our guest, Sean Spicer. I'm really looking forward to this interview. We're going to talk about his new book and independent journalism, Nick Shirley, what it was like to be the press secretary, don't miss it.

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Do it with dream. I'm really honored to welcome to the show today. The former press secretary to the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump and an unbelievably talented content creator himself, books, a podcast, been on cable television. Sean, great to welcome you the show. Thanks for being here. Thanks, Dan. I follow in your path. So I appreciate all of your advice and everything you've done to get that path cleared a little for those of us who are behind you. Oh, thanks, buddy. Listen, you know, we saw the podcast trend early and I really enjoyed writing books. And speaking of which, you have what I hope to be a bestseller

in your new book. It's called Trump 2.0. That is the title of book. The book is an incredible look on Trump 2.0. But I say that because, you know, the New York Times, Sean, no matter, you could sell 400,000 copies and the New York Times will have some reason to try to keep you off the list. So tell us about the book and about your little battle with the list here because everyone knows what happens with that. Yeah. Well, hopefully the numbers at some point, you can't lie. There's obviously, as you know from all your experience, there's the number of books you sell, which is sort of like how you finish a race, either your first or second. The way the New York Times ranks books, they go, well, the third place,

guy ran nicer than the first place guy. So we're going to give him the gold medal. So you're always trying to figure out, can you sell enough books? And they care where you sold the books. So did you sell it at some high flute and Upper East Side bookstore versus on Amazon where most people go? So thanks to everyone was going out there. But Trump 2.0. First of all, I will, I will point out, President Trump wrote the foreword to the book. It's right there and read. And he told me it was a very nice cover to which Dan, I said, yeah, because it's your face. And he said, that's right. So, you can't miss that. But basically, I set out to answer a very simple question. Why is Trump 2.0 different than Trump 1.0, which I served in, as you mentioned. And I answer it in a very,

I think, succinct way, which is the four years out of office are huge in understanding why Trump 2.0 is more successful. What happened in those intervening four years? matters, the legwork, the planning, the plotting, who would serve in that new administration, who to keep out. And I go through each of the different areas. There's a whole section that you and Cash are part in about the intelligence, the military, how we approach different things. Think about the choice just in that alone. When President Trump came in office, they said, oh, Jim Comey's going to be a great, you know, you got to keep him on. He's great. And it took him a while, New President Trump a while to realize that guy's not a good guy.

I can get my own guy in there and then, you know, people recommended somebody that probably wasn't the best guy. The president now knows in Trump 2.0 who the kind of people are that are important to keep in and almost as importantly who to keep out. But the legwork that was done by groups, America First Policy Institute, Territage Foundation, America First Legal, all paid off. And I go through each of the areas and explain how that mattered and why it mattered. on a personal note i have to say uh right as you were deciding to segue back into you to this to your show uh and and and give us great content every day i had to go through and and make sure that i updated all of the positions because i had all this great stuff about the work that dan bonjino

had done so uh it was updated to reflect that you had but right when the right when we're about to go to final print they go uh we're hearing that dan bonjino wants to go back and take over his again and I went, oh, God. So you kept me on my toes. Well, thank you, buddy. That's very nice. I think you're right. And one of the beefs I had with people when President Trump announced he was going to run for what is now term 47, and I'm glad that your book confirms a lot of this was a lot of folks were saying, well, he's going to be termed out. He's not going to do anything. I said, that's the point. He's learned all of these invaluable lessons, personnel, the bureaucracy,

the swamp was coming for him, how the media operates. That's all gone. He's got it down. He's now starting at a 98 to get to 100, not a 70 to get to 100. And he has zero pressure for reelection at all. The case I made is I said, you're looking at this thing all wrong. And now your book documents at Trump 2.0. Sean, listen, the word transformative is indisputable, the first year of his presidency, correct? Democrat or Republican?

Democrats may think transformed for the bad. I don't agree, obviously. but the fact that Donald Trump's first year has completely rocked the bow to D.C. politics. Maduro, Iran, you know, inflation being tame, the border, crime rates, lowest in U.S. history. I mean, it goes on and on and on. There is zero disputing the impact of his first year. None. I'll keep going.

NATO, trade, education, corporate America. Dan, let me tell you a funny story. I mean, like, in two months, Trump in the first four years never went, never went. never went to the Kennedy Center. Now it's named the Trump Kennedy Center. He moderated the Kennedy Center awards, right? He literally was on stage on CBS being like up next, hello, cool, Jay. Like, this is a guy who went from not going to it to renaming it. But part of the reason that that's important understand is I signed onto a case called Spicer v. Biden when he kicked me off when Biden kicked me off of the board of the U.S. Naval Academy, the President Trump,

that case, so I know in the book, I get a call from a Washington Post reporter. And he says, Sean, do you have a comment about the Kennedy Center and the board there? And I said, I got to be honest. I'm not, are you calling me because I was on dancing with the stars? Like, why do you think I care about the Kennedy Center? I'm not really a ballet guy. And, and he said, no, no, no, no. President Trump just fired the entire board of the Kennedy Center. and their response was because of the precedent set in Spicer v. Biden, we cannot do anything about it. And that case was brought by Stephen Miller's organization, America First Legal.

Right. But without that transformation, that four years, we wouldn't have President Trump remaking what is now the Trump Kennedy Center. But as I mentioned, you know, the border, NATO, defense, trade, even the FBI. I think about it, you and cash and what you guys have done, the crime rates are down, the ability to go in and put a focus back on eradicating threats to the homeland. Those are things that weren't happening. This is so different because he had time to think. And when I talked to him about this in the Oval Office, at first the president said, well, Sean, you're, you know, we had a great first term.

And I said, Mr. President, this is not about, you know, there were challenges that we faced. I don't want to take anything away from the accomplishments of the first term. But it's different because you could. stop and think every other president but one in the history of the United States who has had two terms have been sequential. Monday becomes Tuesday, the same Treasury Secretary and Secretary of State all stay with him. But think about how different Trump 2.0 is. And then like I said, the whole point of Trump 2.0 is to answer that question, why? Why is it different? I mean, he knew Jim Mattis for probably a total of one hour before he named him Secretary of Defense.

He's known Pete Hegseth for 15 years, very different dynamic. He knew you and cash for years. And he trusted you. And that's the difference. You guys didn't need to get a memo about the America First agenda and what was like, you were like, got it, day one, let's go. That's the difference. The people surrounding him, he's chosen.

He knows they get what to do and how to execute on this. And Sean, you know, we're talking to Sean Spicer. the book is Trump 2.0, go pick it up, make it so the New York Times cannot ignore this incredible book. We need more of them. John, you were there. And I've spoken about this often. I don't, you know, flexing is always ridiculous. I have a pretty good relationship with the president. I wouldn't say like we have coffee every day, but we knew each other well, had a couple of private dinners together. And I mean a couple, like not 20. But he's the same as you know behind the scenes as he is in front. There's absolutely no act there at all. Cuse him of anything you want,

but he's definitely not a fake or phony. But the first term, 45, I think he really tried to be kind of, he tried to kind of cross the divide. And he took like almost a Lincoln team of rivals approach. You know, I'm going to look at even a Mitt Romney for a certain position. Thankfully, it didn't happen.

However, but I'm going to appoint people who may not have liked me. And he basically extended a hand, tried to do the right thing to garner support. And what they do, as the minute he started gaining success, the border wall, rebuilding the military, the tax cuts, they kicked him square in the gonads

and they screwed him over. But he learned quick. I mean, he's the your fired guy. He's like, you're out. We're moving on. And I agree with you. That's why Trump 2.0 in this just first year has been like the equivalent of like an eight year

good solid conservative term because he came in there and already knew, like I'm not making that, I'm not making that mistake. I'm going with my gut now. We're getting our people in there. Yeah, most presidents try for a signature event over a term. Something they got done, not only did he get that with the big beautiful bill,

but we've just noted, I mean, whether it's Maha, the intelligence, NATO trade, he's getting a job done in every single area. But to your point about the people, he, I think Trump, and rightly so, approach this, like I won, people get it. Here's what I campaigned on. Anybody who joins, I mean, if you go work for Dan Bonjino or Sean Spicer or whomever, you go to any job, you get. the joke, which is you're there to advance the agenda. President Trump, I don't think fully

appreciated and neither did I or anybody that these people who are joining, half of them said, great, now I'm going to go stand in the way and obstruct the president's agenda of this duly elected guy. This time, and this is what makes the difference in not just the cabinet, but the senior staff of Trump 2.0. When you are joining this administration right now, you understand that your job is to advance what this. this president campaigned on and promised to the American people and deliver results. The last time, whether it was the secretary of state, the secretary of defense, they thought it was to prevent him from actually implementing it.

And they stood in the way. And, you know, he extended a hand. But the one thing that I touch on is that the guy's a businessman. And he thought, okay, this is a deal. I'm going to bring you in, but we're all committed to getting the agenda done. He didn't realize that this is not business in politics a lot. A lot of these guys, Georgia's administration, expressly to stop it. Yeah.

No, I listen, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, when we got in there, day one on the job, I had about a 300-day plan from the time I was appointed to the time I exited. I figured we had the first 100 days to go in there, evaluate, learn. See, it was wrong. A hundred days to implement the changes and then another 100 to solidify him and put in guardrails. And I think it worked out perfectly. But Sean, I was very clear from day one that, hey, man, listen, this is not your FBI, guys.

I don't know how many times I got to tell you this. I mean, if you're the shortstop for the Yankees, you don't own the Yankees. You'll forever be a Yankee like Sean Spicer will forever have been a part of the Trump administration. I remember those days. I loved having you up there. But you didn't know. It's not about you. Like, it was about the president.

And like, these guys were there for them. I told them, I said, guys, in the conference room, we had a big conference room with a double door. You don't like the president's agenda. You're not, this is not indentured servitude. Walk out the freaking door. The president's appointed an attorney general. The Department of Justice is on the top of the FBI seal, not the bottom. That's his attorney general.

They have an agenda and we're going to move on it. You don't like it. Get the hell out of here. And I think you're right. The first term, in contrast to the second term, too many people didn't get that. 100%. And that's the thing. The guy was elected.

So for all these people who care about democracy and the rule of law and all this, And somehow when he got elected, the American people spoke, then somehow people felt like, okay, well, I know better. I'm going to come in and obstruct. No, that's not the way it works. If you don't like it, move along. Go out, try to elect your own person at some point. But while that man is elected, the job is to execute on the agenda that he promised the American people.

And that goes from members of Congress and Senate and governors. That's how it works. If you don't like it, to your point, no one's forcing you to take these jobs. Leave. But what I love, Dan, is that when you go to a cabinet meeting, some people mock them. I love them. You go around the table and it's accountability central. He's like, all right, Lee-Jeldon, what have you done for the environment?

Right. And then Dr. And it's on camera saying, here's what I did in the past. It's like a report card. I love this because the biggest mistake that the media makes with respect to the people is they go, they're loyal. I'm like, okay, a dog can be loyal. What they are is disruptor. They are getting the job done.

And I make the case in Trump 2.0. Each one of these guys has got to be accountable to the president as to what have you done in your area to move the America First Agenda forward and to further the promises that he made to the American people on the campaign trail. And every single one of them is getting the job done. You don't see these stories in Trump 2.0 about rogue people writing anonymous in the New York Times about how they're trying to obstruct stuff. they are getting the job done. And if they're not, they're getting moved along. Sean, as the press secretary, the first press secretary in Trump 45, I mean, nobody knows

battles with the media better than you. I have a visceral response to a lot of what's going on in the left wing media. I'm trying to be a little more non-emotional about it as I get older. It's difficult, especially having been like you, the subject of a lot of their attacks. However, you had to deal with them every single day. Yeah. I have this theory on the media. Like, listen, they obviously did not like,

Reagan, they didn't like George H.W. They hated George W. They hated even candidates of Santorum, Huckabee, Cruz, Romney. You get it. The list goes on and on. But the response to President Trump has been just different. And I have a theory on it. I call it jokingly kind of show your ass theory. It's like the media, their chiboleth,

like their code word for entrance into the media club, is how mean you are to President Trump and how vindictive. So they're constantly like showing their butts and like one-upping each other. They're like, well, they'll imply, if not directly say it. They'll be like, well, he's a fascist racist. And he's like, he's a double Nazi fascist racist. And it's really hard, like some of your fights with the media were legendary, but it's really hard

to get out facts and data. Like when you were lobbying for, you know, the tax cuts and everything, when their response to everything is, he's a racist, he's a fascist, it's just really difficult. And I think this is just a different media ecosystem. Well, there's three things I'd say in response to that. Absolutely right. They literally do.

And I think part of it comes down to all of Washington. Why they don't like them is because every politician of both sides, the ones that you mentioned are Republicans, but equally of Democrats, the media loves to be loved. They want to be wanted and they want to be powerful. And so do all the lobbyists. And so they power, as you know, from your time here, everything is centers on power and proximity to power. And when the media don't feel like they're being loved and sucked up to, then they

revolt because they're like, well, if you're not kissing our butt, then there's a problem. And so you're right. Reflexively, that's an issue. Number two, one of the things that's very different, I talk about this in the book, is that when I was there, I would look out from the podium and there might be two non-enemy faces, meaning they weren't always the nicest people, but they weren't there to kill me. Caroline, when she looks out, she has added a level of transparency and by inviting anybody who wants to cover the White House.

When you go to a briefing there, there's everybody from, you know, Turning Point USA and Lindel TV have a correspondent, the daily wire, the daily signal, the daily caller. We have a much broader ecosystem so that they can't be as dishonest as they were. They've added to the pool coverage of this. So the changes have been real. And I document all of those in Trump 2.0 about why this matters. Because for the longest time, their goal was to manufacture what you saw, read and heard. right? So if the New York Times and the NBC and Politico are the only ones in the pool, the group of select reporters can go in the Oval Office or write on Air Force One, then they're

going to dictate what every one of us Americans actually sees, reads, and hears. By opening that aperture up, they have literally changed how we get information. It's healthier for democracy. It's healthier for journalism. But Dan, it was funny. There was a point yesterday the day before. NBC did this report and said, President Trump, they were chasing the Speaker of the House down from NBC, this reporter. And he said, Mr. Speaker, the Constitution requires the War Powers Act to be addressed within 60 days of war being declared. Well, first of all, take aside the fact that we haven't declared war. I texted this NBC reporter and I said, could you please show me in the Constitution where it mentions A, the War Powers Act or B, 60 days notification, crickets. There's no such

provision in the Constitution of the United States. None. They will literally make up crap, spread misinformation, and lie to an advance an agenda that is anti-Trump. They'll say whatever they have to with reckless abandon and then go out and talk about the Constitution, democracy, the First Amendment, and how everything is being threatened, despite the fact that they are the problem. Yeah. Sean, given your perspective as a first press secretary, I'd like to get your thoughts on this. Number one, you had a different question of mine, but you kind of queued, spurred me on to this one as well when you mentioned the fact that Caroline has opened up the press room.

There was a lot of hyperbole and hysterics. Oh, my gosh, journalism's going to collapse. It's going to be conspiracy theories. These guys and ladies from the Daily Signal to Turning Point to Lindel TV and elsewhere, like they've done a pretty darn good job. They've asked some pretty incredible questions. The Pentagon briefings too. So first your thoughts on that.

And then second, just kind of following nicely from that. you know, Nick Shirley and the explosive growth, Savannah Hernandez of independent journalism, this is all making it really hard to maintain their message monopoly, the NBC, CBS, ABC thing from the Brokaw, Kronkai Jennings days. Like, you just can't keep the bullshit. I've no going anymore because people are just going to out you by going and film it outside the Learing Center.

It took a second to catch that one. Thank you, Nick, Shirley, for talking about Learing Centers. I spoke at Florida International University probably a year ago now to their journalism school. And someone said exactly, you know, is journalism dying? It's not dying. It's not dying. It's flourishing. Think about these. It's just not controlled by a monopoly anymore.

And that's the difference. I'll tell you this, the questions that I used to get from some of the conservative media when they would, you know, in the briefing was the hardest. You're right. I mean, they're asking tough questions. They're asking questions that are on the mind of so many Americans. I get a kick out of, I mean, back in the day, one of the reasons that came. Caitlin Collins, who initially was at the Daily Caller, became such a lib, is because during a press conference with the Canadian Prime Minister, she actually asked a question that was not about

Russia and Mike Flynn. She asked a question about international trade, which actually kind of makes sense. And the press killed her. They were like, how dare you not ask about Mike Flynn and Russia? So that's, I think if you actually talk about the arc of her journey from Daily Caller reporter to left-wing advocate, part of it is because she got the member. real quick, which is you either play our game or we take you down. But the idea that California is now passing the anti-Nick Shirley Act, this guy and a cell phone literally exposed billions of dollars of fraud and now we're trying to stop the guy, we should be giving him a medal.

Yeah, he definitely transformed the entire media ecosystem. I've seen it and him and others. No one has a better perspective than you. Last question, I got a couple minutes left. folks. I'm talking to Sean Spicer if you're listening on Apple and Spotify. The book is out. Trump 2.0, wherever you buy your books, go pick one up, make it a bestseller. It's a fantastic book. Can't recommend it highly enough. Your thoughts on the gerrymandering redistricting wars, and I'm looking at it from the media perspective, okay? We get it. Republicans and Democrats

both do it. Stop the nonsense. We all understand. However, the media painting this, like this is some kind of new Donald Trump phenomenon. When Eric Holder and Barack Obama, And Democrats for decades have been gerrymandering the daylights out of the United States. The entire United States, all 50 states, is just absurd. This is not unique to Republicans. And we didn't start the fire, as Billy Joel said. No. I mean, first of all, Elbridge Jerry is from Massachusetts in the 1800.

So like, let's just get back to when it started. Secondly, go back one cycle. Last cycle, New York tried to redistrict all of those Republicans out. and the courts stop them. Okay, so just to be clear, even if you just want to look back one cycle, they started it. So this is ridiculous. And then I am here in Virginia. You want to talk about ridiculous.

Okay. So they violated the Constitution in Virginia on countless things. First of all, they have to have an election and then an intervening. So a session of the General Assembly and intervening election or another. They didn't follow that, number one. Number two, the language according to the Virginia Constitution has to be considered plain English. So they call it fair and transparent. We have a six five delegation. It's now going to be 10.1. That's hardly fair or transparent. Number two, the law says you have to have 90 days from second

passage. 90 days. I didn't take math in college, Dan, but I know how to count to 90. And they passed the bill in February, and we started voting in March. I can do the math on that. We didn't follow that. Then the other thing is, is that the Virginia Constitution says that all districts have to be compact. Clearly not the case. but no one gives a crap because it benefits Democrats, right? So everything that benefits them matters. Now, the last thing I'll just say on this is when all of these racially based districts were drawn, you notice that every single one of them, not just most, all of them benefit Democrats.

Black Republicans win majority white districts. So Byron Donald's, Wesley Hunt, Burgess Owens in Utah, John James, and Michigan, and every single one of them. So when the court says that we don't need to do this anymore, you realize it's not about race. It's about the Democratic Party. I said this the other day. If Democrats want to, in their primaries,

say that if you're a minority, we're going to help you. That's right. They have a right to do that within their party. But right now, the way that this was structured, only benefited Democrats. That's why they cared. This had nothing to do with blacks or people of color. And by the way, they're now mixing in people of color.

There's not a single person of color that's not black. There's no Latino. There's no Asian that has benefited from a minority majority district ever. So the BS line on this is so ridiculous because they'll say whatever they have to. But when you dig beneath this and the surface and look at the facts, all this is is a way for Democrats to get a free district. That's it. Full stop. That is a point about Byron Donald's and Burgess Owens. I ran in Byron Donald's district, Naples, Benita, Cape Carl. There is zero chance you're going to convince me. are largely minority. These are largely white and Hispanic voters voting for a qualified, smart, intelligent, conservative black men. It's now running for governor. It's just such a sham

argument. The book, folks, Trump 2.0 by the great Sean Spicer, who's always been such a great friend and a great public service as well. Thanks for everything, buddy. We really appreciate you coming on. They're going to go pick up the book. Thanks, Sean. And thanks for your service, my friend. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. There he was, folks. We're looking forward to that interview for a really a long time. Please check out Haley at noon. Rumble.com slash Haley. What am I pointing to the guys for?

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