The Dan Bongino Show - They Have No Legs To Stand On | Episode 86

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Trump corners the Dems; Trump also corners himself; Rescissions are (barely) passing; Congress is voting on Epstein, and the autopen scandal is continues in full force. A $100 billion mystery is unfolding on tariffs and inflation and economists are cracking the case ⁠https://fortune.com/2025/07/13/who-pays-tariffs-inflation-trump/⁠ White House investigating Biden use of autopen in sprawling probe of ‘incompetent and senile’ former president ⁠https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-investigating-biden-use-autopen-sprawling-probe-incompetent-senile-former-president⁠ House GOP blocks Dem maneuver to force release of Epstein  ⁠https://www.axios.com/2025/07/15/trump-epstein-khanna-doj-democrats-republicans⁠ Sponsors: Express VPN - ⁠expressvpn.com/vince⁠ Blackout Coffee - BlackoutCoffee.com/Vince Helix Sleep - Helixsleep.com/Vince Boll & Branch - Bollandbranch.com/Vince Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Somebody messaged me this morning and they said, Vince, you can talk about Jeffrey Epstein. And I said, who? Who are you talking about? No, I'm too busy talking about all the winning. I have no idea what's going on with the Epstein story. Never heard of him. The president of the United States this morning would like people to move on from Epstein.

Or at least that's the that seems to be the message from his Truth Social post. Again, just placed on the internet minutes before we have started this program today. So let me just get right to it because it's the breaking news. The president says, the radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again. Just like with the fake and fully discredited Steele dossier,

the lying 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, which the Democrats swore had come from Russia. No, it came from Hunter Biden's bathroom, he said. He's right about that, as usual. And even the Russia, Russia, Russia scam itself, a totally fake and made up story used in order to hide

crooked Hillary Clinton's big loss in the 2016 presidential election. True again. These scams and hoaxes are all the Democrats are good at, the president emphasizes. It's all they have. They are no good at governing. They're no good at policy. They're no good at picking winning candidates. Also, unlike Republicans, they stick together like glue. Their new scam is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Pay attention here, this is the president

strapping a name to all of this now, the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my past supporters have bought into this bullshit. Hook line and sinker. They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will. Even after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years. I've had more success in six months than perhaps any president in our country's history. And all these people

want to talk about with strong prodding by the fake news and the success star of Dems is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work. Don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success because I don't want their support anymore. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Make America great again. Okay, Chad, let me ask you first and foremost, how do you feel about this position by the

President of the United States that the Epstein saga is a hoax. It's the Jeffrey Epstein so hoax. And that anyone who's bought into the Jeffrey Epstein hoax is buying into bullshit hook, line and sinker. That's the president of the United States this morning, clearly annoyed that the Epstein saga continues to live on that people continue to seek answers here. No dice says, Vicki Ray. Bullshit says another wrong, wrong, wrong kind of pisses me off. Somebody else says, what about the victims?

Yeah, release the files. Look, the chat, just just to be clear here, when the president is referring to supporters, I know there's a lot of chatter about kind of people in the media and what their thoughts are on this subject. Forget just random people in the media, forget me for a moment as well in the midst of all of this. I'm looking at the chat here. And I think the chat is kind of telling the story of the country, which is that all we want is transparency. All we

want is people to have the truth, the truth put before them. I want to take you back in time just to think about how we got President Trump in office in the first place. President Trump arrives on the scene, coming down that golden escalator, now just over a decade ago, as a man who is spitting just the absolute truth, the absolute truth, unimpeachable truths about the state of our country. That we have been sold out on trade policy.

That the American middle class has been hollowed out by an establishment that doesn't care about them. That our borders have been kicked wide open. That illegal immigrants have been pouring into it. That all sorts of horrific things have happened to our country that desperately require somebody who has confidence and can make a good deal to get everything back on track. And so the American people in a resounding vote of approval choose President Donald Trump over the corrupt Hillary Clinton, who by the way has a husband who is implicated in the Epstein saga.

I don't know what kind of left-wing hoax implicates Bill Clinton in the Epstein saga, or people like Bill Gates or Reid Hoffman. These are all names and people who've been associated with Jeffrey Epstein through the years. And Epstein, I don't think there's any, you know, on that issue particularly, I don't think there's any question. He abused children, clearly. And the question becomes is if he's a sex trafficker, which this government says that

he abused over a thousand victims, to whom was he trafficking them? These are all entirely legitimate questions. So if you go back in time again to the president's emergence, the reason for it all is because he would be the breaker of the elite corrupt system. He was a man who understood it and a man who was uniquely equipped to destroy it. In term one, he had success. In term one, he had a massive amount of success. He was deprived in term two by a rigging operation from staying in office. And it was during that same term where Joe Biden, the president, AutoPen was in office. They didn't release anything about Epstein. If they wanted to cook the books on Trump, they didn't do it. They didn't release anything to try and hurt him from that. If there

was actual evidence against Trump, they would have released it. They didn't. Trump has always been innocent of any wrongdoing in the midst of all of this. And so now we get into term three, and the president is back doing it again. He's breaking this system. And he has in so many ways, he's right to say that people should be talking about his victories. In fact, I prepared a show today on the basis of his victories, but the president just posted this seconds before we started. And I happen to be of the opinion that we can do all of the above. We can talk about what the Customs and Border Protection Agency just told us, which is that our border is now the secure, most secure it's ever been on record. That is a massive achievement and that one you and I voted for.

We can talk about the state of the economy where wages are outpacing the rise of the cost of goods. That's massive and this is what we need. This is absolutely what we need. And this is what we need. This is absolutely what we need. We can talk about how the president is trying to end some of the most dramatic and bloodthirsty wars all around the planet. That is not an attitude that most of establishment Washington has. Washington is generally happy with sustaining war in order to enrich themselves and their friends off of all of that human suffering.

That's not the president's attitude. He wants to conclude that. The terrified that the president has undertaken has been a massive success. We just got data telling us that the United States in the few months the president has been waging the terrified has brought in an extra $50 billion, $50 billion, and it has not resulted in any increases on American consumers. That's the president securing something incredible. He's doing a great job there.

But all of those successes don't mean that you have to lower your standards about your expectations. You are fully entitled to answers about corruption at the very top, the way that it's manifested itself, and who has been hurt by it. The Epstein thing matters. And here's why it matters. Here's one of the most important reasons it matters. First and foremost, it's for justice for those girls. That matters the most. But secondarily, and very importantly, the Epstein case is an expression of elite hierarchy. It's an expression of corruption at the highest levels. And again, this president was elected to break that.

And so when that isn't broken, the rest of us say there's still something more to do. So I don't care who says it, I'm not going to be told not to care about the Epstein saga. I think it matters a great deal. I'd like to see these people brought to justice. And I want to see the elites who hurt little children, held accountable and taken out of the ruling class entirely. That needs to happen. And so this is why this is why people are seeking transparency on this issue.

It's not to distract from the president's successes. No, it's because you want to see the president be more successful. You, unlike what the president said in the first place that we'd all get tired of winning. You are not tired of winning. You have high standards for how this government gets fixed. You are so sick of being screwed over by it

that you demand only the very best. And that's what we deserve. We demand the very best. And that's why President Trump keeps getting reelected because he's the best vehicle for delivering that outcome. That's the key here. So some of this is like, the president is kind of desperate to move on from this.

He doesn't really want it. He doesn't want this to be part of the conversation anymore, because again, he thinks it's a distraction. He said so in this post. But I'm just here in whatever small limited capacity I can and whatever magnificent and far reaching capacity you can as the best damn audience in media. I just want to remind them that it's okay to do it all. It's okay to do it all. The president's used to

doing a lot of things at once. And he should keep this on his list. Transparency is a big deal. Now the president of the United States did talk about this yesterday. And ahead of this message, he was asked about this on an airplane tarmac. And he said, Look, I, I don't understand the fascination with the case, he said he kind of I think he cast it off as kind of boring or something, but he did say that anything that's credible that's within these documents,

Pam Bondi should release it. Anything credible within the documents should be released. And on that, I find myself in full agreement with the president of the United States. Take a look at cut six here on the president's thoughts yesterday. He's dead for a long time. He was never a big factor in terms of life.

I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is. I really don't. And the credible information has been given. Don't forget, we went through years of the Mueller witch hunt and all of the different things, the Steele dossier, which was all fake. All that information was fake. But I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff. It's sorted, but it's boring. And I don't understand why it keeps going. I think really only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that

going. But credible information, let them give it. Anything that's credible, I would say let them have it. Anything that's credible, I would say let them have it. If it's credible, release it. I agree with that final sentiment. I don't think that it's bad people, generally, who want the truth about Epstein. Have you noticed that the Democrats are people generally who want the truth about Epstein. Have you noticed that the Democrats are the ones who have never desired the Epstein documents to come out? In fact, you almost think the president planned it this week because suddenly Democrats this week are saying, release the Epstein files, release the Epstein files. In fact, yesterday they tried to take over the legislative agenda of the United States House of Representatives

by claiming that they really wanted to release the Epstein files. That was not actually the point of that move by Democrats yesterday. The point of that was to try and sow division on the right. The point of that was that they were jumping into unrelated legislation and unrelated house activity to try and seize control

of the legislative calendar yesterday. And those procedural votes have been cast by the media, of course dutifully as Republicans vote against releasing the Epstein files. No, that's not what was going on at all. Republicans vote to continue to control the business of the floor of the House of Representatives. That's what happened yesterday. But it's hilarious to watch Democrat after Democrat now coming out claiming, oh, we wanna release the Epstein files. You do?

No, you don't. And if you did, you would have. When President AutoPen was in, you had the Justice Department at your disposal. You had all of the related files in the government's possession. You could have released this. You're not seeking justice for anyone. You're not trying to help any of the related files in the government's possession. You could have released this. You're not seeking justice for anyone.

You're not trying to help any of the victims here. You're not trying to be transparent for the American people. You are jumping into this like some sort of playground instigator trying to start a fire on the right. So excuse us while we tell you to pack up your shit and get out of this conversation

because you were never a part of it to begin with. And insofar as you have any involvement here, it's that the people, the elders of your party, who the donors of your party are implicated in being connected to Jeffrey Epstein. It's all so crazy. Yeah, no, what is it? Paiosan Pond, excuse me, says, I thought this was a genius troll. Yeah, I kind of interpreted that way too. I was laughing this week. I was thinking, man, the president has, how did he do that?

He tricked the entire Democrat party into calling for the Epstein files. I mean, it's a masterstroke. And in fact, after today's message, if you want to employ this kind of 4D chess thinking, after today's message on Truth social, you know what's going to happen. The left is going to do even more of this release the Epstein files release the Epstein files. It is

amazing how the president is in charge of the Democrat Party. There's a lot of debate about who the leader of the left is. To me, there's no question. The leader of the left is Donald Trump. Whatever position Trump takes, they will take the opposite. Just as a test today, President Trump should step back in front of a microphone or go to truth social and encourage Americans everywhere to breathe. Just tell everybody breathe and then see how quickly Democrats start holding their breath. Like that. Like that.

And it's always like that. These goofball Democrats, they're really something else. They really, really are. Let me see. Well, we've got a lot to get to today. It's not just this Epstein stuff. I've got to talk to you about

the AutoPen presidency. You want to talk about a about the AutoPen presidency. Talk about, you want to talk about a real crisis that's going on, that really needs to be untangled? The AutoPen presidency is the most sincere constitutional crisis of our lifetimes. The fact that they put a guy into office and pretended he was functioning as president of the United States, and then none of the activities of the president were actually being conducted by the president. That's about as much of a constitutional crisis as you could possibly summon. That was happening during the Biden era. We're getting closer to some answers on this. And in a moment, I want to share with you the next steps in getting to the bottom of this and untangling this massive, massive scandal.

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I know it's good people who want that. All right. Let's get into the the auto pen presidency now for a moment. We we got the New York times report earlier this week. That was the interview where the pre where, uh, president Biden gets on the phone with them for 10 minutes and says, yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew about all the pardons. And they're like, okay, name them. And he's like, well, I don't know their names. What do you mean you don't know their names?

Well, I didn't really look at the names. I just, I just gave general guidelines for what I wanted and they picked names and then they pardoned them. I'm sorry. What the chain of custody on this thing was crazy. I just gave general guidelines for what I wanted, and they picked names and then they pardoned them. I'm sorry, what? The chain of custody on this thing was crazy. So you had officials like Jeff Zients would sit in the Oval Office, they claim, and Biden would just say,

oh, I wanna pardon this person. Jeff Zients would leave the Oval Office. He would email a secretary who was not in the office for that and say, hey, Biden wants to pardon this guy. The secretary would take the note down, Biden wants to pardon this guy. And then they would craft the pardon. They'd send it back to Zients. Zients would sign off on it. They'd send it to the staff secretary for working for Biden. And then the staff secretary would draw up the pardon, the clemency. So all of this was happening without Joe even really being involved.

The only reason that we could even credibly claim it is a trust us bro claim from the people who supposedly sat in the Oval Office with him. What kind of system is this? It's an insane system. Josh Hawley, United States Senator, once the staff secretary hauled in before Congress to answer questions,

now that we know that she played a very important role in this scheme. Here's Josh Hawley cut three, look at this. First of all, we need to call the person. We now have the name of the person who managed the auto pen under Biden. I believe it's the individual's woman. She needs to be called before Congress,

put under oath, testify in public. We need to hear from her. We need to know exactly what did he authorize, when did he authorize this? I suspect the truth is Steve, he didn't authorize anything, which would be like the scandal of the century. We need to know that. Number two, there is supposed to be a paper trail.

We had a hearing on this in the Senate a couple of weeks ago. To me, the big revelation out of that hearing was every time the auto pen is used, there's supposed to be an explicit paper trail. The president has to, at a minimum, give verbal consent to use it. And a record is made of that. So let's get all the documents. Let's see them. They should be in Biden's archives. They ought to be in his papers.

We need to go get them. If Biden's not going to release them voluntarily, Congress ought to subpoena those documents and get them and put them out in public. Where's the paper trail? Who authorized the use of the pen? That's what we need to be getting after. Yeah, no. So here's the good news on all of that that will support what you just heard from Josh Hawley. The Fox News has a report up today that the White House is investigating. You want to talk about victories here. And again, the president wants us talking about wins.

This is a win. I think this is huge. The White House is investigating Joe Biden's use of an auto pen in a sprawling probe of incompetent and senile former president. And this is what they're saying. The White House is reviewing more than 1 million documents at their disposal related to Biden's use of an auto pen.

And not only are they reviewing these documents, they're sending them to the United States Department of Justice. The White House is investigating Joe Biden's use of the auto pen. Senior administration officials are all over it. They've already reviewed tens of thousands of documents that were turned over by the National Archives.

Who's the head of the archives again? Whose job is that these days? That's right, Marco Rubio. Rubio, who's got all these jobs. He's also the National Archivist. They're handling looking at all of this. They've sent these documents over. The White House is reviewing everything.

They say over a million responsive documents here. Officials are telling Fox that the White House Counsel's Office is leading this investigation in coordination with the United States Department of Justice. To remind you, the Justice Department is involved in criminality. That's what they investigate, criminality. That's the primary purpose of the Justice Department. So a close look being done here by the White House and some good updates on that. Now, the left is trying to cook up all sorts of embarrassing excuses for this though. They don't really know how to explain this away.

So they're just making shit up at this point. Here's NBC doing an embarrassing cover-up job yesterday for the White House, for the Biden White House, claiming that what Joe Biden did is totally normal. In fact, the people investigating him do the same thing. Take a look, cut four. Here's NBC yesterday. Well, Chris, NBC News conducted an analysis of the communications that the chair of the House Oversight Committee, James Comer, has used to bring in former members of the Biden White House to ask them questions about Biden's use of the auto pen and his cognitive decline in office. And what we discovered is that of the 16 letters that Comer sent to these staffers, that they were all signed with the use of a digital signature, meaning that he did not actually sign these documents himself,

similar to what he's accusing President Biden of not doing. Now, what he did do was use a wet signature, as it's called, for the actual subpoena requests for two Biden officials, including the White House physician, Kevin O'Connor. But everything else was used with a digital signature. Now, that's not to say any of that is out of bounds. In fact, it's pretty common practice, not only in Congress, but in the executive branch to use digital signatures

or signatures that are not necessarily by the hand of the official who is signing them. But it is the crux of this investigation that the oversight committee is conducting. No, it's not. That's garbage. It's not the crux of the investigation. It's very similar. Everyone does this. In fact, James Comer does the same thing. No, the crux of this investigation is not merely that the auto pen was used. It's that the auto pen was used without the knowledge or approval of the person who wasn't mentally with it enough to have knowledge or give approval.

Nobody is questioning James Comer's cognition. Nobody is questioning his ability to process information. Nobody even thinks that the scandal is primarily about using a digital signature. In fact, as NBC tries to point out, it is commonplace for digital signatures to be used. All over the place, digital signatures are used by James Comer for subpoenas. Digital signatures are used when the White House uses the auto pen to sign birthday cards for American children who would like to receive one from the White House.

Digital signatures are used when people sign mortgage documents or documents to get a loan for a car. People use Adobe Acrobat to affix digital signatures. NBC is playing a game, a really ridiculous game of sleight of hand. They're pretending that the entire scandal is around the use only of a digital signature. It's not scandalous at all to use a digital signature, they say. That's not the point. The point is, if there's a digital signature machine at your disposal and you're not the president of the United States and you're using it anyway, that is a full blown constitutional

crisis. And so leave it to NBC to lie about all of this and to pretend like it's about something completely different. But that's the anatomy of a fake news hit job. It's the same thing over and over. So they can't actually debunk the story on the merits. So instead, they make up another story, and then they debunk the story that they made up. How's that for tactics? And that's what NBC did yesterday. And any any sense of shame whatsoever? Do you think those guys had any moment where they were like completely ashamed of their behavior as they started writing this piece? I can't believe I'm doing this. Probably not. Probably not, but it is the most hilarious possible defense they could mount. James Comer is mocking these idiots.

He thinks they're just so catastrophically dumb. It's amazing. Take a look here. Here's James Comer's post of this dude, this Ryan Nobles who you just saw. Here he is. He put Ryan Nobles in clown makeup and he said, there's still time to delete this Ryan. And it even says on the Chiron, Ryan Nobles,

Chief Capitol Hill Clown Correspondent. Oh yeah, they're, they really, they have no scruples whatsoever. Anything to serve Democrats. Any, just absolutely anything to serve Democrats. They really, they have no scruples whatsoever. Anything to serve Democrats. Just absolutely anything to serve Democrats. That's NBC's thing. Before we get to our guest, and we do have a great guest standing by, I want to share

with you one other piece here. Talk about another Trump victory. The border is sealed up as tight as it's ever been. And that's not just me saying that. United States Customs and Border Protection does say that we at this moment have the most secure border in American history. American history. We just got the data for June of 2025.

Zero illegal aliens were released along our Southwest border for the second consecutive month in a row. Zero released into the United States of America. Prior to that, there was a handful of people released. The only reason that they were being released at all is that they were undergoing medical emergencies. We kept them in the United States just to see to them, to take care of them for a few moments, which was decent of the Trump administration to do the right thing to do. But so far, so good. The follow on months, there have been zero releases into the United States of America.

And that brings us to the lowest level ever recorded of illegal crossings for the month of June, ever recorded in recorded American history. So that's just fantastic news. There are people who are now deporting themselves from the United States, realizing that immigration enforcement is serious. Take a look, here's CNN this week, speaking of another frequently lying cable news network.

Here's CNN featuring a family that deported itself to Mexico. Here's Cut 5, CNN. Sasha Mendoza has the impossible task of packing up her family's life in Pittsburgh into a handful of suitcases. It's really hard to tell a four-year-old that they can't bring their toys or their stuffed animal. There's just not enough room. We can't put a stuffed animal and then have no pants. I've literally never felt anxiety the way that I have in the last few years here. So you are saying bye to the U.S. for good?

For good, yeah. Yeah, for good. Fearful of President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, Sasha, her husband Julio, and their three kids are leaving behind the life they built together. What are you the most excited for in Mexico? The pool. Julio is an undocumented immigrant from Mexico. Sasha and their three children are all US citizens. They decided to make the move together only moments after Trump took office. That's where things stand tonight in the case of Kilmar Abrego-Garcia. They were confronted with their worst nightmare when Kilmar Abrego-Garcia was mistakenly deported

to a notorious mega prison in El Salvador. I can see myself in that and I don't want us to wait until we're in the same situation. Okay, are you following all of this? So she's an American citizen. She married an illegal alien. They're seeing the writing on the wall that the Trump administration is deporting everybody. They're taking it seriously. And they've decided that we're going to take our whole family and leave on our own terms.

Now, she doesn't have to. She's an American citizen. Her kids are born to her, an American citizen. Therefore they're American citizens. They can all stay here, he can just go home, but they don't wanna separate the family. They wanna stay together, and rightfully so. They wanna stay together as a family.

The problem they have is that their father committed a crime when he came to the country illegally. So what do we do? Well, stay together. Go to Mexico. And that's what they did, actually. They flew off to Mexico because they believed the president. They found him to be sincere.

They believed you when you voted for President Trump in order to deport people. So what CNN is attempting to do is turn that into a sob story. But what they actually did is they demonstrated that there's a way to very comfortably leave the United States of America and do it on your own terms, which that family just did. Additionally, at the end of that clip, you heard them talking about Quilmar Abrego Garcia. So one of the reasons that illegal aliens have become convinced that it would be better to deport themselves on their own terms is because they've seen the images.

They see that people are being arrested. They see that people are being deported, that some number of illegals, typically based on just how dangerous they are, are being sent to places like Alligator Alcatraz or Guantanamo Bay or yes, that high security prison in El Salvador managed by President Bukele, the head of El Salvador. That's been happening. And all of the publicity around that has caused a whole bunch of people, whether or not they were actually destined

for any of those facilities to begin with, to say, you know what, I don't want any heat. I don't want any of that. I'm getting out of the country right now. And so they are. So this counts as a massive success for the president, because for one, he saved you a ton of money. You don't have to do anything here.

Everybody's just leaving. They're going on their own terms. And as Tom Homan said, there's no reason to separate a family. They can all be deported together. And the Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia thing, I'll just remind you, listening to CNN talk about,

oh, he was mistakenly sent to El Salvador. Really? Where was he from? El Salvador. We sent Kilmar Abrego Garcia back to his home country. That's where the Trump administration sent him. I still love that. I keep talking about this. They never once mentioned that, that he's an MS-13 gangster, that he's being tried now for human trafficking, that he's believed to have been involved in a lot of human trafficking, that he beat his wife, any of that. It's just one big sob story on CNN. And, oh, it's so unfair, really? Because in my world, I happen to think that if you break the law and if you hurt people, you should be held accountable for that. And so I'm glad President Trump's in office and doing that. And I'm glad he's

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standing by, Justin? Excellent. Well, that's great news, which I'm always very happy to have the conversation that I'm about to have. And that's with David Strom, who is a great writer over at Hot Air. David, so good to see you. Thank you for being on the show today. Hey, Vince. I always like looking at myself in the camera because I've got that Star Trek, you know, super intelligent bald head. I was about to say, that's how we know that you're wise. Thank you for that. We added a visual cue to support that today.

Although you don't need it. I've talked to David so many times on the radio and I'm always so grateful for our conversations. Hey, David, this morning, as I'm beginning this program, right before we started, the President of the United States posted a truth social that he'd like for kind of all the Epstein on the Epstein, sorry, all the attention on the Epstein stuff to go away. He thinks it's a big distraction to his administration. And he categorized the people who are still interested in it as his former supporters.

I happen to be of the opinion that we should go for it all, that we should go for a secure border, we should go for a great economy, and we should go for transparency that exposes the corrupt elite that hurts children in the country. What do you think about all this? Well, I agree 100%, as does Laura Trump,

who came out and said that we needed more transparency on this. I think the president is making a terrible mistake on this. It is a self-own. The reason why this is such a large issue is because his supporters have been demanding transparency on this for years. And the president and his administration promised that they were going to do this. I mean, they do a Sunday night soft release of a memo that was unsigned. And they, it's a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge,

huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, saying anything at all. I mean, they do a Sunday night soft release of a memo that was unsigned. And they expect people to just shrug their shoulders. So if I'm Pam Bondi, if I'm Pam Bondi, I got to be so grateful that I have a job right now. I've got to be just absolutely kissing the president's feet that I have a job right now. Because the attorney general of the United States, David, moment after moment throughout this entire administration and even before she became attorney general

has been crowing about how important it was to get the Epstein documents out. And then how she had them on her desk and how all this information was gonna come out immediately. And trust me, it's gonna be shocking. You're not even gonna believe what you're gonna see. And then we get the one and a half page memo like a week and

a half ago. And the president doesn't can her for the theater that went into all of this. And the fizzle at the end of it. Pam Bondi has got to be grateful that she's got a job right now. Oh, I agree entirely. Bondi, I am not in a position to know what she's doing behind the scenes in terms of investigations and everything else. But everything that we have seen from her in the public has been, you know, staged managed and staged managed very badly. She goes out there, makes very big promises, and then we never see what was promised delivered. And I'm not in Washington.

I'm not at the Justice Department. I don't know what the obstacles are to them putting the F-scene files out, but they have to give an explanation. This is the biggest cell phone in politics that I have seen in many years. And it was totally unnecessary. Yeah, I think so. And there's also a number of Republican lawmakers. I don't, I can't think of all their names off the top of my head, but they are advocating.

I think Speaker Johnson said it yesterday, too. They're advocating that, look, this is straightforward. Just release whatever you can and then do a press conference and explain yourself. How hard is that to do? Because I think, look, I think Trump voters in particular, they have a lot of faith in the President of the United States. They give them a lot of grace on this issue that they wouldn't give to other longtime corrupt establishment officials. They just want to be treated like adults.

Let's get a reasonable explanation here and let's move on to the next thing. And again, it doesn't mean this comes at the expense of talking about all of the successes the Trump administration has. I'm obsessing over them. I love the successes of this administration and which is why I'd like to see them have another one.

Yeah, I agree entirely. I think Trump is doing an outstanding job. I think if you look, most Americans, although they still are not huge fans of his style, are huge fans of what he is accomplishing. And, you know, there are a lot of reasons why I've been frustrated on this issue, but one of them is, is it's enormous distraction that is being caused by

and totally unnecessarily caused by how the administration is handling this. I mean, there are explanations why they should, you know, limit the release. You really can't dump it all out there because they're names of victims. A lot of the videotapes are, as was described, child pornography. I mean, that's when you're dealing with a pedophile, you can't release the videos of what happened. And my understanding, at least from Alan Dershowitz, is that a lot of people who have been accused were accused for various reasons, either shakedowns or something else. And so probably in that list is the name of people are the names

of people who are both guilty and innocent. And so they're very worried about that. You know, the Justice Department has had some real successes under Pam Bondi and the President of the United States. The arguments that they've made before the United States Supreme Court have routinely prevailed to the benefit of the United States of America, which is great. I love all the wins we've had in the Supreme Court. We've got a lot of prosecutions going on of actual child predators across the country, hundreds of them picked up by the FBI. Lots of kids have been saved.

I see FBI jackets, it seems like, at every ICE raid. FBI is all over immigration enforcement right now. They've fired hundreds of people from both agencies, the FBI and the United States Department of Justice. So there's a very good story to tell, actually, coming out of both of those agencies. And David, I'm curious what story they're going to tell next, because from where I'm sitting, I think it'll go a long way if somebody like a James Comey stature or a John Brennan stature is taken into custody, and we get a mugshot of one of these

guys. Yeah, and I certainly hope that there's a major investigation going on with my orcas. I think with Mayorkas. I think if you look at the Biden administration, there is nobody who did more damage to the United States of America than Alejandro Mayorkas. He's the guy who was in charge of the border. He was in charge of a lot of the censorship, was done under the auspices of homeland security. And he was also the boss of the Secret Service. I think he's got a lot to answer for. So, and then John Brennan, I mean, he's essentially a proven perjurer. And James Comey violated so many laws and leaking things that if he'd been a Trump guy, he'd be spending 20 years in jail. Yes.

I talked to John Solomon yesterday from Just the News, and I think he has one of the most important reports of the year, certainly of the week this week, as he says, the FBI is investigating a grand conspiracy that dates back all the way to 2016 and the invention of the Trump Russia collusion hoax by the Hillary Clinton campaign designed to distract from her own server scandal. And if you know, if that's all true and I feel, boy, from where I'm sitting, gosh, it feels like it is.

I don't, I don't think, I don't think John Solomon is saying this because he doesn't have good sourcing on it. Solomon says that there are two gigantic tranches of information that can be declassified on this. And in fact, I think at today, David Strom, he's going to ask the president of the United States to do that. And my guess is, if the President is looking to to move on from the Epstein saga, he'll have every incentive in the world to declassify the Brennan and Comey stuff. It feels like we are headed somewhere, perhaps

meaningfully for the first time in a long time. Yeah, well, in terms of, you know, the importance to the nation, rather than political importance to the MAGA movement, the hoax after hoax after hoax that were put out there to go after Donald Trump and Republicans are, it's much more significant. I mean, they have fundamentally divided this nation, they being the Democrats, so much of the anger and division in the country comes down to these hoaxes. And of course we got those impeachments and the prosecutions of Donald Trump for political reasons.

So this is the most significant issue in terms of accountability in the nation. And one of the reasons why I'm angry about the Epstein debacle is that it's distracting from all the important issues out there in terms of the future of the country, not just, you know, what a dead man did years ago. Okay. Finally, I want to just talk to you about something that's really caught my attention, the economic success of this presidency. This tariff fight, I need to remind people, you remember what everyone was saying that hates Trump about what would happen if he imposed tariffs.

They kept telling us that inflation was going to skyrocket. Eric Swalwell is still recording videos of himself saying that Americans are being hurt by the president's tariffs. None of the economic data shows that, David. None of it. In fact, Fortune magazine, they just ran a piece saying that economists are completely confused by the fact that there has been no rise in prices in the United States. And yet the United States Treasury has just brought in an extra $50 billion, which clearly is being paid by foreign countries right now. Can you talk about this?

The fact that the media got this so completely wrong and it is redounded so immensely to our benefit? Well, it's not just the media. It's the people behind the media. so completely wrong and it is redounded so immensely to our benefit? Well, it's not just the media, it's the people behind the media, the experts. Every time we read something in the media, the narrative is backed up by these handpicked experts and coming from academia, the consulting firms, the think tanks, these are part of the hoax industrial complex that is out there. They're all about creating a narrative. I don't know if you saw it, but the CEO of Home Depot, who was very worried about the impact of tariffs, was just interviewed, I think, on CNBC

and saying he's very excited. Everything that he thought was gonna happen was wrong and he's never felt so optimistic about the United States. And it's all due to Donald Trump. And so what we're seeing is that there's a complex out there of people who are narrative creators who are getting in real time debunked. And this is really significant for the future of the nation. But what you just described is perfect because what that means is as as much as we mock

those left-wing narrative creators as having dwindling and Audiences and they're absurd and they just like they practically wear clown makeup on television when they're presenting all of this There are still people smart people who will ingest the lie and then internalize it So Ken Langone is not an idiot the The Home Depot guy is not an idiot. He heard that assessment coming from the left-wing hacks. He ingested it. And hopefully he does some soul searching as a result of that. But there's a lot of people that are in his position who are still being misled. And it does have dramatic consequences for the country to have people lied to that often. Oh, that's absolutely true. In fact, I get constantly emails from friends

and family members sending me articles that are quoting these experts. And we're talking about PhDs, Harvard grads, they are members of an elite that runs this country, or at least has run this country. And they absolutely believe the things they read. If it's in the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the Atlantic, that is gospel to them. And conservatives don't fully grasp.

I mean, we think that a lot of these liberals are stupid. It's not that they're stupid. It's that they believe sources who lie. It's that they're ignorant. It's that they're not stupid. They're just ignorant. Yeah. It's not that they don't know anything. It's that everything they know is wrong. Yes, that's true. All right. That's a great spot then. Hey, David Strom, you're a great contributor to the national understanding. Thank you as always. Great to talk to you today. Thanks, Vince. There's David Strom over at Hot Air. He's a good man. And he's a great writer. I always appreciate

what he has to offer the country. But it's true, though. It's like, it's amazing. I know it's like, it's sometimes I feel the same way. I see it. I see the sentiment in the chat. It's like, who cares what those people think? But then you realize, like, you want to get them, you want to become depressed, check the ratings every so often on the view. And then wonder yourself, how could millions of people, how could 1 million people be watching this? And then think like millions of people are getting their news from Whoopi Goldberg? It's crazy.

It's just absolutely crazy to me. Absolutely crazy. What else do we have that's crazy? Oh, this is fun. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, the greasy governor of California, the man who crosses his legs and then moves his hands like he's kneading pizza dough in midair when he's speaking. He sat down with the podcaster, Sean Ryan, and the two of them had a chat.

Gavin Newsom is upset that President Trump calls him news scum. He's rattled by it. It's really getting to him. And the reason it's getting to him is because it reminds him of when he was bullied as a child. Take a listen. All that reputational damage that's being done as they're sitting there on horses with American flags running through soccer fields, scaring kids that are playing soccer in the middle of the day at a summer camp

for what? Just toughness. It's a weakness, masquerading as strength. That's what I don't like about this son of a bitch. I don't. And forgive me. I know he's the president of the States. Forgive me. I didn't, you know, he calls me new scum. You know, come on. I mean, how do I explain that to my kid? Now he's got, I have my kids friends call him my kids new scum. That I get because I was called that in seventh grade, but not by a 79 year old. Model better goddamn behavior, man.

You know, the president of the United States, whatever you think of him, he has the most unique ability that I've ever seen in my lifetime of identifying a man's weakness and then exploiting it. Just absolutely firing the missiles into the one port in the Death Star that is going to destroy the entire operation. Gavin Newsom may as well be an Iranian nuclear facility with a singular air vent that the president is dropping massive, massive bunker buster bombs into through that tiny little port. Gavin Newsom, do you heard it there?

You don't have to be Freud to detect what's going on with that assessment. Gavin Newsom is reminded of what it was like to be bullied in seventh grade. One of the seminal moments of his life, one of the defining features of his life was how he was treated by the seventh graders. And he thought he escaped it. He thought, look at me.

I grease up my hair every day. I've got a beautiful wife. I'm the governor of California. How could it be better than this? And President Trump comes flying in to bring him back down to earth. Hey, how about this new scum? He triggered the governor of California. He definitely deserves it.

It's really it is really funny. I'm cracking up over that. What else am I cracking up? Oh, there's a great headline that has me laughing too. So I mentioned earlier, the United States has the most secure border in American history. It's never been this great. So that leads us to a piece that was just published by the New York Times. Fellas, can you pull this headline up? Look at this headline from the New

York Times. This is a real New York Times headline. I was one of Biden's border advisors. Here's how to fix our immigration system. What's this? This is like asking Cookie Monster how to lose weight. Like what? One of Biden's border advisors has advice for the rest of us about how to fix our immigration system. How about this? No thanks.

No thanks. You're fired and you shouldn't be paid another dollar for the rest of your life to give anyone advice on how to secure a border. I'm not trusting that guy. Not at all. Really cracks me up that he's even attempting that. I love it. Okay. Hey, we got a lot of good things going on today. Coming up on the big Vince radio show today, we've got, who do we got today? We have Congressman Jim Jordan is gonna join us on the program. If you'd like to join us for that fun, you can do that.

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