The Dan Bongino Show - They Just Said the Quiet Part Out Loud | Episode 213

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

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Everybody, welcome to Vince on a Wednesday. Great to have you with us. We're going to take a close look at new information that we just found out about Alex Preti, what he was really up to in the week leading up to his death in Minnesota. The details on that, they matter. And of course, the media has basically elided them for the most part. We'll also get a look at what has changed in the Trump administration's relationship with Minnesota, Tampon Tim Walls, Jacob Fry.

Finally, meeting with Tom Holman. we'll get the aftermath of that meeting. And also the left is, well, psychopathic. We've got details on that. And Ilhan Omar sprayed with a mystery substance at a town hall in Minnesota this week. What the hell was that about? And what should we be talking about as it relates to Ilhan Omar? Man, I've got it all.

We're going to try to cover all of it. And then finally, the big guest today that I need you to know about is a retired green beret who's going to be joining us. He went mega viral this week for his assessment of what is happening in Minnesota. He said, I've seen this before. I've seen this in enemy territory. This is an insurgency. And it is arrived in the United States of America. Eric Schwamm will join us.

We'll talk to him about everything that he's seeing and what he thinks comes next. That's ahead on this edition of Vince. Great to have you with us this morning, the best audience anywhere truly. Thank you for our great sponsors. A big medical hack of 2025, a big medical hack of 2025 was several peer-reviewed studies that identified possible direct connections between anti-parasitic medications, having off-label benefits, fighting a wide variety of cancers. And this actually makes sense because the connection between tumor growth and parasites has actually been studied for years. It's been reported that millions of Americans suffer from parasitic infections that often go undetected or undiagnosed. This is why Dr. Peter McCullough, the chief scientific officer at the Wellness Company and one of the world's most published cardiologists, says that these studies make a clear case to do at least one medical grade parasite cleanse annually.

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was directing traffic. He was an observer. He was just capturing video. He had a peaceful protest and he brought his gun to it. And of course, all of that amounted to a series of endless lies about what he was up to. We would later find out that this guy was a routine left-wing rioter. In fact, he was out during the 2020. George Floyd riots participating in them. His family would later disclose. His ex-wife said he was the kind of guy who would definitely shout in the faces of law enforcement, but she didn't imagine that he would get physical with them.

But the record on this now demonstrates that actually he did get physical multiple times with law enforcement. And that includes a week before his death in Minnesota. Now, this report comes to us yesterday by way of CNN. So the clip I'm about to play for you is going to give this man, Alex Prattie, the most charitable possible interpretation. They're going to describe him as merely driving along in his car. He saw ICE chasing someone. And then he decided to get out of his car, to be a good Samaritan, to intervene, to help the person that ICE was chasing. You understand why all of this is so ridiculous.

Obviously, if law enforcement is in pursuit of a suspect, the last thing you want to be doing is diving in front of them to try and prevent. that from happening. So things, according to CNN, got physical so physical that Alex Prattie had his rib broken in the scuffle. I'm sorry, just because he was standing there? I don't think so. Listen to CNN described this yesterday. What exactly transpired a week before Alex Prattie was shot in Minneapolis and died this past weekend. Now, in this earlier incident, he stopped his car after observing ICE agents, facing what he described as a family on foot and began shouting and blowing his whistle. Preddy later told one of these sources that five agents tackled him and one leaned on his back

appearing to leave him with a broken rib. According to this source, and I'm quoting here, that sort said, quote, that day he thought he was going to die. Now, Pruddy was later given medication that is consistent with treating a broken rib, according to records reviewed by CNN. Sources also say that he was known to federal law enforcement, though it's unclear whether it was this incident or another with federal agents that they knew him. They knew of him. So wait a second.

I'm sorry. Pause. Wasn't it just a few days ago that we were told his only interaction with law enforcement is that he had received parking tickets? Wasn't that the media narrative on this guy? guy just parking tickets like there's nothing serious in his background he just he just stayed past the limit on the meter a couple of times but but that's it hold on this guy was known to federal law enforcement he was getting into physical scuffles with them he broke his ribs

wrestling with cops that's that's the story on this now there are elements to this that sound very suspicious if you're in a position where you're wrestling with cops why wasn't he then arrested oh he wrestled with cops and then broke a rib the whole thing sounds so bizarre but The story apparently from CNN, their charitable interpretation of events is, yeah, this happened all the time. Okay. So this dude is an insurrectionist as has been established by a never-ending public record. And that led to his untimely death this past weekend, where he decided to interfere with law enforcement. And in the process, in that chaos, he lost his life.

Obviously, the President Trump is looking into, he's got an administration investigation going into the details of how that occurred. But there's no question that Preddy would still be alive today, were it not for his insurgency? And the rest now is becoming history. That insurgency will be the subject of my conversation coming up with a retired Green Beret who's detected all of this. He goes, man, I've seen this happen before in war zones. I know what this is. I know how these command and control operations work. I know how they try to make it diffuse.

I know how they gather intelligence. I know how they mobilize the radicals in order to so chaos and cause trouble. This looks very familiar. This is an insurgency here in the United States of America. We'll talk about that. But one of the guys they mobilized, clearly, was Alex Prattie. Alex Prattie only out on that street because he was mobilized by that very insurgency, by that very command and control.

They've been admitted inside of that ridiculous signal chat that's now under investigation by Cash Patel and the FBI, that yes, Alex Prattie was one of theirs. That's why he was there. Otherwise, how would he have known? How would Alex Prattie have known to stand outside of that donut shop, on that street corner menacing those officers at that time. It's because he was mobilized by the radical left. And now he lost his life as a result of it.

That event, of course, was a turning point in what's going on in Minneapolis because it led President Trump to get personally involved. So President Trump then decides, you know what, get these guys on the horn, I have to talk to them now. He gets tampon Tim Walls on the phone. He gets Mayor Jacob Frye on the phone. He starts to develop these conversations and these relationships. and he goes, guys, I need you to work with me.

We've got to resolve this. I can't have more people dying. This is your fault. And the guys now claim that they're working with him. Okay, we'll work with him. So Tom Homan jets off to Minnesota, now two nights ago. And yesterday morning, 9 o'clock, sharp, he shows up at the governor's office to meet with tampon, Tim Walls.

Because Tom Homan's on a mission. Tom Homan's not a flashy guy. Tom Homan's not looking for publicity. Tom Homan's not, you know, looking to prove himself or strut around or anything. He's just looking to win. To win. And I talked a bit yesterday with you about how Greg Bevino, who I think has been wonderful with the Border Patrol, he's leaving the state of Minnesota. Tom Holman is coming in to run the operations.

There are some people who are interpreting this as somehow like, oh, that's a setback or this is like this is some sort of retreat or surrender. I'm not even sure how you can arrive at that conclusion, if that's what you're thinking, because Tom Holman is tough as friggin' nails. sending in Tom Holman is not the way you give up the immigration mission. It's the way you say, I want to see this done correctly. I want to win. So you send in Homan. So Hohman, who reports directly to the president of the United States, goes in yesterday, and he meets with Tampon Tim, and he meets with Jacob Fry.

And here's what Homan had to say about the meetings. I'm going to start with him because I fully believe that the Democrats are lying as they give their readouts. Here's what Holman said. Today, I met with Governor Wals, Mayor Fry, and top law enforcement officials to discuss the issues on the ground in Minnesota. We all agree that we need to support our law enforcement officers and get criminals off the streets. While we don't agree on everything, these meetings were a productive starting point, and I look forward to more conversations with key stakeholders in the days ahead. President Trump has been clear.

He wants American cities to be safe and secure for law-abiding residents, and they will be, said Tom Holman. Well, that's a promise, and I expect Holman will keep it. American cities will be safe and secure for law-abiding residents. They will be, he promises. That's good news. But you hear Holman say something in that there's some disagreements. We don't agree on everything. Well, what's the holdup?

Well, the holdup by Jacob Fry's own disclosure appears to be that they don't intend to turn over bad guys. So, yes, did we see local law enforcement finally intervene this week for the first time after Donald Trump made that phone call? Yes, we did. When President Trump got on the horn with these guys, suddenly they're snapping to, they're making arrests. They realize that peril lies ahead if they don't play ball, including criminal. prosecution to be very clear. These guys are under federal investigation right now for obstructing federal law enforcement. So the president's got that hanging over their heads.

Good. Use it as leverage. Force them to clean up our states. And that's what's happening right now in Minnesota. But Jacob Fry said this about his Tom Homan conversation yesterday. Here's how he described it. He said today, Chief O'Hara, Minneapolis Police Department, he's been terrible. Chief O'Hara and I met with border czar Homan and had a productive conversation.

I reiterated that my main ask is for Operation Metro Surge to end as quickly as possible, meaning they want immigration enforcement out. You know how that happens? You clean up the city. You cooperate with the Trump administration. Jacob Frye says, quote, public safety works best when it's built on community trust, not tactics that create fear or division, which is, of course, what Minneapolis is guilty of.

what Jacob Fry is guilty of creating fear and division fear of of constitutional lawful decent law enforcement that's what he's doing he's creating fear and division fry goes on I share with Mr. homan the serious negative impacts this operation has had on Minneapolis jackass as well as the strain it is placed on our local police officers the strain yeah I'll tell you what the strain is the strain is local cops who want to do their jobs being told to stand down rather than bring peace to their communities. That's the strain, you colossal jackass, Jacob Fry. And then he finishes this way.

I also made it clear that Minneapolis does not and will not enforce federal immigration laws and that we will remain focused on keeping our neighbors and streets safe. City leaders will continue to stay in conversation with Mr. Holman and his team. So let me, first of all, somebody's raising a point in our chat. I wanted to address real quick. what it would uh eda ray says uh no vince it was not minneapolis police it was a near suburbs uh police department yeah you're right about that about how this was a nearby suburban police department eda who were involved uh but additionally the minneapolis state patrol that's the state police in

in minnesota excuse me the minnesota state patrol was also involved in other words the state cops who work ultimately for tampon tim walls were making arrests two nights ago that's a sea It's not merely a suburban police department. It's also the state police who are finally having the handcuffs taken off of them because President Trump got involved. That's an important detail. Now, what you just heard Jacob Fry say is we're not going to enforce federal immigration law. First of all, nobody's asking you to enforce federal immigration law. It's not your job, you jackass.

It's not your job. Your job is to be a good partner to the feds. Your job is to hand over the bad guys to the feds. Your job is not to obstruct federal immigration law. You have nothing to do with enforcing federal immigration law. All you have to do is hand off the people who are causing so much calamity in your community to the Trump administration and they'll take it from there. So stop at this. Oh, we don't enforce federal immigration laws.

No kidding. You're not supposed to. You're not even involved in it. Just hand the guys over. And that's really the problem. these guys to this very day are trying to protect illegals who are in their community for whatever their intent is whether to exploit them as underpaid labor or to use them for votes or to use them to pad their electoral college advantages or use them to pad their congressional seats whatever they want to use them for is not for you it's not to benefit you it's merely a cruel piece of power calculus the democrats are doing not just in minnesota but all across our country so as tom holman goes in there this is the crap that he has to to deal with. And President Trump, we haven't heard a lot from Tom Holman about this because Holman just gave us a basic readout, but President Trump has weighed in on this. And here's what

he said this morning on all of this. He said that Jacob Fry is playing with fire. He said, surprisingly, Mayor Jacob Frye just stated that Minneapolis does not and will not enforce federal immigration laws. This is after having a very good conversation with him. says the president. Could somebody in his inner sanctum, could somebody in his inner sanctum, please explain that this statement is a very serious violation of the law and that he is playing with fire? Look, Jacob Fry's already under investigation for obstructing federal law enforcement. If he need more evidence that that's his interest, look no further than this tweet, this ex post that Fry put out yesterday. It's more evidence of that. And he should live with the consequences

of his actions. Prosecute him then, would you? Prosecute him. Mr. President. Additionally, leave on the table the possibility that this is all going to collapse because you're dealing with dishonest people on the other side of the table. Tom Holman may be an intimidating figure to put in the room with them, and no doubt he is. You know that Tampon Tim Walls is quaking in his boots when he's sitting across from Tom Holman. Holman is the alpha when he walks into that room. Walls is the beta. And Jacob Frye, he's the whatever comes after beta. I mean, these guys are ridiculous. Tom Holman's clearly in charge, but you cannot underestimate how dishonest these goons are. So at some point, if and when some aspect of this meaningfully fails, the president

should continue to have on the table, and he does, he hasn't taken it off the table, the Insurrection Act. If local law enforcement, if local laws are not being enforced, you have to do something. And that's something is, use the powers that are given to you by the founders of our country in our constitution and in law from the very beginning of our country, the Insurrection Act, that continues to be available. Yeah, fry is a cuck. So it goes, yeah, alpha, beta, cuck. I think that's the, I think that's the way it goes. Is it the Greek alphabet? Is that it? I don't remember that, but I guess cuck is now the, is the proper order of things. Yeah, so we get, Holman's the alpha, walls is the beta, Fry is the cuck. Oh, that's funny. Thank you, chap. I knew you'd come through for me. Thank you very much.

Oh, man. So what is Tampon Tim saying? Tampon Tim's doing the circuit. Despite the fact that he's claiming, oh, we have a very productive relationship going on. He just did some lefty podcast yesterday. And on the lefty podcast, you ready for this? Speaking of Beta, Tim Wells,

he says he could beat the shit out of Vice President J.D. Vance. You ready for this? Prepare yourselves. Please don't have a drink in your mouth. You might do a spit take. Here we go. Tampon Tim, cut two. He can shit out of him now.

if I could and I would call that out. I mean, that's just different. In verbally going at it, my argument is much better. Making the case that housing prices are up because of immigration and that we should build on federal lands, it was such a crazy thing. But then when I watched him, I got sucked into that. And if you remember, this was right in that moment

of eating dogs and cats, I took that bait and thought that was the argument of how outrageous it was. That was not the argument. He's apologetic. I love that. If you've heard Tim Walls talk, about that debate with J.D. Vance where he got his ass handed to him by J.D. He's, he's been apologetic ever since because he was, he realized that he was being too respectful and too in awe of J.D.

He was, he was marveling at J.D. He was gaga about J.D. Vance at that debate. He was, he was, he was stammering because he was just, I think, so honored to be in the room with the now vice president of the United States. And the left has never let him live that down. They've, They've smacked them upside the head over and over and over for that. And he's always apologizing to them. Always, always sucking up to the left. Always letting the radicals dictate his judgment, including by letting cities in Minnesota get utterly destroyed. He's a coward.

The guy is a beta coward who keeps letting that happen. And that was on display yesterday. I love that, though. Oh, I could kick his ass. Tim Walls could not fight his way out of a paper bag. The idea that he's going to kick J.D. Vance's ass. I'd love to see that. J.D. Vance should offer him an exhibition match just to see.

Aren't they having a UFC fight at the White House? They are, right? President Trump's arranged that with Dana White, right? A UFC fight? Maybe one of the undercards can be J.D. Vance and Tim Walz. Wouldn't that be good? We could do that. I think that'd be fun.

At the very least, bring back celebrity death match. I want to watch that fight and claymation. I want to see how that goes. Tim Ponte might kick his ass. Oh, that's. That's right. The chat reminds me he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Yeah, it could be an undercard fight. I think it'd be great. I think it'd be really great. Besides, when Tim Walls leaves the governor's mansion, what else is he going to do?

He's got to come up with some way of cover for the fraud that it'll be engaged in. He needs some pretext for the money that he's taken in. You might as well make it a UFC fight. That could be fun. hilarious. Okay. Coming up, what the hell just happened in Minnesota yesterday as Ilhan Omar whose entire career has been defined by fraud seems to be attacked by a dude who sprays her with some unknown substance. We'll show you the video and then we'll talk about why people immediately began assuming that this was yet another Jesse Smollett-style hoax. That's ahead on this edition of Vince. You know, a new year means new financial goals like making sure your savings are secure and diversified.

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Again, text Vince to 9-9-98-mess message and data rates may apply. Thank you to Burch Gold. great sponsor of our program you know we've got um we've got some some craziness going up so ilhan omar's doing a town hall yesterday and upin county this is minneapolis area and uh she's in the middle of a town hall and right as she declares that she wants christie gnome to resign as she's saying we got rid of christie gnome at that moment she she glances up for a fraction of a second to someone in the audience she glances back down at her paper And then this dude who looks like a complete psychopath rushes the lectern and then sprays her.

He empties out one of these plastic syringes that is full of some sort of unknown liquid. And it freaks everybody in the room out. But then watch Elhan's reaction. Just listen to this. Watch the video if you're watching us, rumble.com slash Vince. And then we'll assess it on the other side. Watch this. Perry Christie, Gnome must resign or face impeachment.

He sprays her, hits her right in the shirt. She rushes in his direction. Isn't that kind of a weird reaction? She starts running towards him. Like she's going to hit him? Is that, am I understanding that correctly? She raises her fist. Security tackles the guy.

He's crazy something on her. I need a napkin to know nothing. No, no, no, we'll go. No, we won't continue. No, no, no. And she's insisting. We won't continue. These fucking assholes are not going to get away with it.

You need to go get checked. No, you don't know what. What is. And everyone around her correctly is assessing, hold on a second. Wait, wait, wait, wait, pause. And when I first watched this, I had the same reaction. Hold, dude, that dude just sprayed you with something. You have no idea what that is.

It was it a chemical? Is it an acid? Is it meant to be some sort of like, you know, whatever? It doesn't matter. The point is I'd be rushing off. If I was her, I'd get out of that room as quickly as possible. I'd shed that sweater. The last thing I want to do is keep the sweater on that's got that unknown substance all over it.

I definitely would wash my skin off anywhere it made contact. I'd be very attentive to quickly trying to resolve whatever this unknown substance was. Wouldn't you? I was like, what the hell is this? And instead, she's just like, no, no, she rushes at him to try and strike him. And then she goes back to the lectern and refuses all of the good advice she's getting around her to go get this taken care of. And she's like, no, I'm going to keep speaking. I'm not going to let this asshole stop me.

And so immediately, the whole internet was saying, this is fraud. This is fake. This isn't a real attack. This is a hoax. Everybody's assassin. this last night i mean huge numbers of people looking at this guy i don't believe you and if you don't believe elhan omar and who knows but perhaps we'll find out what happened here look let me let me just say something really quick about this henopin county arrested that guy and booked him in jail last

night like that that's minneapolis henopin county booked him in seconds last night they're charging him with third degree assault okay so are you telling me that hennepin county minneapolis can rapidly arrest and book into jail criminals. Yes, they can. They can do it in no time if they're doing it on behalf of Democrats, apparently. But if it comes to defending the population from crimes by illegal aliens or defending immigration enforcement from lunatics who are harassing them and assaulting them, then they're going to drag ass and perhaps never enforce the law. That's the different justice systems going on in Hennepin County right now. But this idea that maybe this was a hoax. There's a reason people believe that. There's a reason that that's a thought process.

that's running through your mind. And it's because, one, the left broadly tells these kinds of lies on a regular basis. But two, and more specifically, Ilhan Omar's career has been defined by fraud, including the 2019 marriage to her own brother that was clearly designed to get him into the country under the false pretense of being married to her. So the woman is a fraudster. That's been the pattern. when she's caught being anti-Semitic.

She pretends like that's not actually what she meant. She describes 9-11 as nothing more than some people did something. She's a scam artist. And then additionally, this stuff about her finances is very interesting to me. And there's something in the timeline that I think you need to know about that I haven't really seen at all receiving the attention that I definitely think it deserves. And here's what that is. by now you know either because you saw it through benny johnson or the washington free beacon or the daily caller there's been some really good reporting on this subject that her wealth has been skyrocketing

her financial disclosures have demonstrated that she's got a lot of money in that household we're talking a net worth of in the vicinity of at least 30 million dollars now that's a massive change in fortune for her In the year, 2023, she was worth approximately or less $51,000 on net, $51,000 net worth. By the next year, her net worth was somewhere beneath $30 million. Now, these are according to her official congressional disclosures. How do you go from being worth $50,000 one year to being worth $30 million the next year? Now, here's where the timeline gets super interesting. The $2023 net worth disclosure, $51,000.

That was reported in May of 2024. That's customary. Each May, members of Congress, they report their net worth. And she said this in May of 2024 that last year in 23, I was worth $50,000. Okay. In June of 2024, the next month, the Biden Justice Department, you heard me correctly, the Biden Justice Department launched an investment. into her finances.

The Biden, DOJ. That information was just revealed to us this past week by the New York Times. Fellows, if we can pull this up on screen, look at this. Under the Biden administration, Justice Department began examining Ilhan Omar's finances. At the top of the piece, the New York Times says that the Justice Department, under the Biden administration, open an investigation into Representative Ilhan Omar, Democrat of Minnesota, in 2020. 2024. When in 2020? And what were they scrutinizing? First of all, they say they were scrutinizing her finances, her campaign spending, and interactions with a foreign citizen, according to people

with knowledge of the matter. The inquiry was initiated by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington and the Department's Public Integrity Unit in June of that year. And it appears to have stalled for lack of evidence, the New York Times claims, according to one of the people who requested anonymity to discuss internal department matters. Okay. So here's what we know. May of 24, she reveals that she was worth 50,000 bucks the prior year. June of 24, the Biden administration launches an investigation into her finances.

In other words, something stinks to high Evan. They've detected she's got a lot more income that she's not disclosing. Something strange is going on with the money that that lady is receiving. So strange, the Biden DOJ launches an investigation into it. by the next year she reports that she's worth upwards of $30 million. Suddenly all of this income that clearly caught the attention of the Biden DOJ is now being disclosed publicly. But where does she claim the income comes from? She says it comes from a winery.

A winery? What? A winery that sells no wine than anybody's aware of doesn't have a functioning website. doesn't have a functioning number, it is not open on weekends, a winery. What is she even talking about? So what does this look like? To me, it looks like a front.

To me, it looks like she put a winery on her financial disclosures to pretend that some kind of ill-gotten income was actually from a legitimate business enterprise. But then when you go check it out, nobody's ever heard of the winery, nobody's ever bought it, and yet it's worth millions and millions and millions of dollars.

something's not adding up here. And given her history of fraud, it's no wonder we suspect her of committing fraud again. Finally, on this point about the Biden DOJ, the Justice Department ended the investigation apparently. They tabled it, according to the New York Times. Why would the Biden DOJ table an investigation into one of their allies? Because they did a lot.

Remember, the IRS investigation that was being done into the Biden family was tabled. The whistleblowers say it was tabled as they got closer and closer to Joe Biden. Impediments were thrown in their way to stop that investigation. That's the pattern. Talk about corruption in the Justice Department. That's exactly the way it was under Joe Biden. All right. We'll keep revisiting that story, but that's interesting. That's very interesting as it looks like, yeah, that's right. She had a quality leering winery. It was like, it's not a real winery. It's a fake. winery where's the wine at it's like with quality leering center where the kids at what this isn't real it's just fraud everything it's just an endless string of fraud all right in a moment we're going to talk to a retired green beret

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Oh, good morning, Vince. How are you doing? I'm doing very well. And, you know, it's not every day that a reply to somebody else's tweet becomes the most viral thing on the whole internet. Did you expect this when you replied to Cam Higby? You know, Cam Higby is writing about all these insurgents, as you so aptly describe them, communicating with each other over signal. You saw this and you go, whoa, I recognize that. Yeah, that's the key to the whole thing is like recognizing like. As a special forces warrant officer, we're trained to conduct unconventional warfare. So we, we recognize, it for what it is and we can actually appreciate it for what it is so when i saw what cam higney put hegby put out there and all credit to cam going out there and putting himself you know out

front like that uh the information he's providing just made the hair on the back of my neck go up simply because uh i recognize it for what it is and you know i could really appreciate what they're doing how they're running uh their operations over there in minnesota the communications the level of networking, the responses, their ability to move around up there in Minnesota and be where they need to be when they need to be there. So if you would, just to help people understand as we begin with your base of knowledge, what is it like overseas? What do these insurgencies look like in these war zones?

How do they operate? So what you'll see is the average foot soldier out there and they'll be conducting operations against you. but they are sponsored by somebody and they have senior leadership out there that is guiding them into certain areas and where they need to be and what they need to do to bring the best effect on the battlefield possible. So whenever you run into an insurgent, it's because they are where they need to be, when they need to be there. there's because there's usually a much smaller force they've got to conserve everything and just apply pressure wherever it is can produce the most effect otherwise they're just going to disappear one of the it seems like one of the features of insurgent warfare uh in the middle east overseas was often the use of things like improvised weapons improvised explosive devices coming up with sort of novel ways to inflict damage on american troops and I've noticed that that is sort of the feature here too maybe sometimes not with the same effects although there's a lot of effort to try and perpetuate that coming up I may even get into

this but there was a nurse from Virginia Commonwealth University who is advising some of these radicals that they should figure out ways to put laxatives or poison onto the ice agents would that be a feature that that you recognize anything you got to look at what what affects you're looking to produce You can use an actual weapon, and that's mostly when they get to the higher order insurgencies, the later stages is when you'll see them get to weaponry. Initially, it's just going to be sabotaged, and if you can look at, you know, poisoning something as a poisoning a person or mixing up their food or giving them a laxative or something like that as a weapon, if you use it correctly. The same thing for a protest. A protest applied at the right place at the right time is a weapon, but it's got to be well-coordinated and that's in produce the effect that you're looking to do.

And if you think about one of the effects that we're seeing right now is in Congress, they're talking about defunding ICE. And it comes from pressure like these protests. So a weapon is what in insurgencies can be anything which produces the effect that you're looking for. So what would you call when people use terror to, try and affect a political outcome. How would we describe that? That is the definition of terrorism, least according to, I believe, the State Department, because you have to go over whose definition of terror that you're using because there's multiple definitions out there of terrorism. And the

ability to say that something is terror or a terrorist is power all by itself. Like I right here, Eric Schwamm, I can't call you a terrorist and have it stick. It takes somebody with enough power and enough capability and enough legitimacy to actually call you a terrorist. And they've got to have the definition that goes along with it. So let's talk about the command and control elements, the communication elements that are involved in the domestic insurgency. You were obviously responding to Cam Higby's excellent reporting on the subject. And what's really stuck out to me is that you basically have thousands of left-wing radicals who are in Minnesota. They're documenting license plates of vehicles. They are

very often getting their targets completely incorrect. They don't even know who's actually law enforcement, but they still sick the mob on people regardless. And then they're in this constant stream of communication with one another about it. And then they're dispatching each other to go to these scenes to menace people that they suspect are with federal law enforcement. When you hear all of this and see this, I mean, what are you detecting? I think first off, I got to you credit where credit is due. That's an incredible capability to set up. I've been, doing this for a long time. I've got a lot of my peers that have been doing this for a long time. And that's not something we're setting up in a weekend. You know, when you, we sit there and

say this is like, you know, it's instantaneous and people are doing this. That level of sophistication to get a thousand people to show up. I don't have, I don't know if you have that capability to sit there and say, hey, we're going to show up here at 8 o'clock tomorrow morning. We're going to have a thousand people on a chat line. We're going to be rotating in two hour sequences. I'm going to, I will have certain people that you'll call into, call out. That level of sophistication, you have to give credit where credit is due. They have some capabilities going on there. And like I said, like respects like, it would be if I was overseas and I could get that

kind of an op running, I would be pretty happy. So what you just described sounds like this has much more central control than people realize because in order to coordinate at a level that involves that many people and to be able to mobilize them that quickly, this can't merely. be some sort of crowdsourced diffuse event. Anybody who's been involved in any organization at all in their life knows that if it's everybody's responsibility, it's nobody's responsibility. So therefore, there are people who are in charge, aren't there? I would assume so. I would very much assume so. And that's probably one of the reasons that I wrote what I wrote is you can't, we,

like if you look at what ICE and CBP are out there doing right now, they are our foot soldiers out there. Their job has nothing to do with dealing with crowd control. They're not prepared operationally to deal with protesters. I'm not taking anything away from their capabilities, but them trying to do that right now is the same problem we experienced back in 2003 is where everybody had a specific job. But when you look at if it actually is a hierarchical organization that you're dealing with, we're all dealing down here with the bottom, but there's no pressure being put on the people up above. And you have to sit there and say, is that there a network? Is there a hierarchy out there? And that's where this become, my letter becomes

important is because you have to bring in this, you can't just keep sending more ICE there and more CVP there. You have to have an organization to deal with an organization and you have to have leadership. You have to have authorities. You've got to have funding. You've got to have command and control. And all of it has to be organized to go against the network that you're dealing with. Wherever the network is showing up. I think probably one of the key things that really started to make me pay more attention is like what happened when they got Maduro. Within, so roughly what, around midnight, 2 o'clock in the morning is when the first reports started coming out of Venezuela. Roughly around 8, 9, 10 o'clock in the morning, stateside, we had people out there,

you know, having a protest, they got signs, the signs all look like, they managed to get the sticks, to put the signs on, that kind of turnaround. I can't, like again, if you think about what normal people capability is to runoff signs, to produce the, so what the signs all look like, to go down to your local print shop and print all those off, and then run down to Home Depot and get a whole bunch of sticks, if I was to sit there and call up, you know, even my SF brethren out there to sit there and try and run something like this, you know, we'd start on Sunday maybe by one, Wednesday we might be able to get this going. They did it in a matter of hours. And that level of

sophistication, you need an organization to deal with an organization. Right now, we just got the same thing we had out in 2003. Everybody was dealing with the baseline, but nobody was dealing with the upper echelon. Yeah, no, that's right. And this is why, as you as you aptly point out, talking about Venezuela, there's a lot of concern by people who are paying attention that this isn't merely some sort of, you know, in the country phenomenon, that there are outside adversaries who are funding this chaos to include the Chinese Communist Party. I mean, a lot of people keep pointing in the direction of a billionaire called Neville Roy Singham, who is very connected to the Chikoms and is believed to be very much one of the important sort of funding factors for this insurgency in Minnesota. So your suspicion is

that it takes kind of immense resources to be able to do this. Yes. I mean, the resources is time, money, effort, equipment, the knowledge to use the systems that they're using to create the communications that they've got going over there. I've seen a couple different reports this morning just about the different systems that they're using, just as you talked about, getting the license plates. And that's another key element I'm going to talk about real quick, is they're exploiting a seam there. So in the United States, our intel organization, are essentially handcuffed. Like I can't, as an Intel person, I can't start collecting on Americans, start putting in a database.

I can't keep a screenshot. If I'm actually working for the government, I can't keep a screenshot of your Facebook page on my computer. We just said that's, it's what Edward Snowden went to, you know, all the problems that he went through when he tried to expose how much information they were collecting. So, but if I'm a civilian and I'm, I have knowledge and I have capabilities, I can produce an intel database about the police that, you know, I can take your picture, put together a profile on you. I can go online into some of these other websites and download your family, get a background

on you. I would not surprise me to find that they've got a database out there for probably, you know, maybe 50% of the policemen that they're countering out there just so they can profile them. And that level of intel that they are capable of doing because they're not being controlled by a government. That level of that level of Intel has to cut like again your average person on the street doesn't know how to do this stuff. You have to have somebody, some sort of cadre in there who is teaching them. And we've seen the book. They promoted a training manual for the Minnesota protests. We've yeah 20 page manual that they made magnificent again. You know, like I wish I could

circulate that on my battlefields to the people I was working with. You know, okay, okay, here's a digital one for you. So in other words, this is very professional. So here's something that I keep thinking about. And I asked, Asra Nomani is a great reporter for Fox News. She just wrote about this signal chat the other day. And when I interviewed her, I asked her a question, Eric, I said, hey, any evidence that there are government officials who are a part of this signal operation who are helping out the insurrectionists? And I know just having read about it, talked to people who have been involved in counterinsurgency like yourself, that sometimes what you get in overseas,

among our enemies is not only sort of civilian insurgents on the battlefield, but you also get compromised government officials who are working with them, like, you know, like corrupt cops who really should be enforcing the law, but instead are on the side of the insurgents because they're making money or whatever. I mean, to what extent are you suspicious that that may be at play, too? Is there, you know, as local law enforcement is standing down or has been, has been not helping the feds at all, they've shown some, some of the cops have shown some open antipathy. towards the federal operations that are going on in the state. I begin to wonder, is like, are any of those guys compromised?

Are they sending data to the insurgents to let them know about either law enforcement operations, license plate data or anything like that? I would be remissence in saying that I don't suspect that. I have to keep an open mind and always be looking around to see who might be involved. But you have to also understand that not everybody's involved, you know, maybe by ideology. There's a lot of different ways that you can co-op somebody to work for you. You can use money. You can use their ideology.

You can compromise them in some sort of way or even their ego. You know, we refer to that as the mice concept of trying to get somebody to work for you. And for like, I'm 100% going to back the blue. I support them. My neighbor is an officer. I always support the police officers. I have a degree in criminal justice myself. And again, overseas, I worked a lot of very similar type operations to what police do.

So the reasons and even overseas when you're working with like the police officers like in like Iraq that we worked with, they may have inwardly they may have supported us. But their families have to live in the community. And it would take nothing for if you have a strong enough effort for me to go talk to their family if I was if I was an insurgent, go. go talk to their family and say, look, if your husband, whatever doesn't start dancing the way we want him to dance, we're going to make life really, really difficult for you. Yes, or we'll keep our people away from him if you guys help us out, that kind of thing. Yep. And, you know, New York type, Gambino type thing, where you get people to do what you want them to do through ulterior means. Yeah, no, it's a, it's a big deal. And I'm with you too. I support law enforcement because I think they're the ballwork

against chaos and we definitely need them right now. But then I see things like the Minneapolis police chief standing there and nodding his head as all of this ridiculous anti-law enforcement activities happening. And I feel I'm so, it's like awful. I'm just thinking like, you should be supporting law enforcement like the rest of us because that's your job. And that's what you signed up for is restoring order

to your community. Yes, absolutely. With law enforcement officers, with soldiers and everything, it's no man left behind. You always support the brother. Because the last thing you want to do is be some police officer who's out there, who's compromised. And when you call for help, nobody comes to you. You always want that feeling that somebody's going to come for you and it's going to be a brother.

It's going to be a sister who wears a badge or where is the U.S. Army tape or whatever. So I can't say, you know, I see what he's doing and I watch it. And I can't say to what end he's compromised, but I'm not comfortable with his actions. But I don't know the reasons why. He knows the reasons why he is the way he is. And maybe someday, you know, people look a little bit deeper into it. Maybe they'll discover why. So, Eric, last for you.

And thank you for doing this today. I really appreciate this conversation. I'm really getting a lot out of it. We're talking to Eric Schwamm, former U.S. Army Green Beret, who detects an insurgency here in the United States as he looks at all this. We heard from Cash Patel, the director of the FBI a few days ago. He now says that the FBI has launched a criminal investigation into these signal chats. They're looking into these groups.

The result of that, I saw Cam Higby posting, is now the signal chat is going to bit haywire. They now know that they're definitely being watched by the FBI. What would you counsel the FBI to do here and to look for, given your experience with counterinsurgency overseas? Is there anything that you think that they should be concentrating on? Movement, essentially. As you start going after these type of organizations and you start picking them apart, there's going to be actions. Like I believe it was last night where they were talking about there's a little, like within the communications,

people are starting to question each other. You know, like apparently somebody's talking to Cam Higby. And so they're looking for that person right now. And so you're going to see movement on the net. Every time you poke into something like that, you want to watch where the movement goes, where people step out to. And those are all clues. Like we used to do, if we hit a target overseas, like we did on target, removed somebody from the target. One of the things we would do is continue to watch a target afterward to see what happens.

You always want, it's just like disturbing an ant hill. Once you disturb that antihil, look for what happens next. Don't just get caught up in the who you. and everything of slapping yourself on the back when you make something happen out there. And there's a lot of ways that Cash could do that. There's a lot of people out there doing so much good stuff as far as picking stuff apart. You look at what like Dad of Republican is doing out there with looking at the crunching the numbers, Mike Ben's, Sam Shumate, Mike Shelby, all those guys are out there.

really good intel people and they're picking at the surfaces of stuff and pulling things out there that can if you look at it you know just piece by piece by piece you're going to see the network start to appear and it really takes a lot of time like everybody's going to be one thing we had in intelligence is everybody always demanded what does a picture look like what does a picture look like right and and i will tell you this intelligence is like working with a puzzle where you've got three different puzzles mixed into the box. There's no picture on the cover of the box of what you're trying to make. You're missing about 50 pieces of each different puzzle,

and you could go down any lane if you start making one puzzle, and it could be the wrong puzzle that you're building. So no picture, no idea, you're just trying to figure stuff out, and it's all about looking at all the puzzle pieces with an open mind. And actually, and the other thing is, is appreciate the level of sophistication of the people. that you're you're going after you have to give them credit you can't sit there and think that they're you know they they don't know what they're doing there the sophistication is out there yes not everybody

has a room temperature IQ dying their air blue and attacking cops some of them some of them know what they're doing and they're very sinister uh eric schwam former u.s army green beret go ahead sir one more thing go ahead oh yeah one more thing uh i just want to uh talk about uh one of the things that's going out there at least mung for the sf brethren for the veterans and stuff like there Please look at Matt Larson, who ran the U.S. Army Combativist program and Sergeant Major Mike Vining. They're talking about moral injury right now, and they are kind of on the forefront of the PTSD moral injury things. And as veterans, we need to take care of each other. 22 a day is just way too many.

It is way too many. I'm sorry, I haven't heard this expression before. Moral injury. What does moral injury mean? Moral injury. If you look at it, my understanding of it. Matt can probably explain a lot better, but I was raised a certain way. I came from a blue-collar family, very, very religious.

What I grew up with, what I understand to be morals were framed. And when you go overseas into combat, even law enforcement officers can face moral injury as well, is your morals, the morals inside of combat zone, the morals in policing and stuff like that change. And so you have to, a clash of ideologies between the morals that you had to develop in combat and the morals that you grew up with were raised with and everything else like that. And so we call the moral injury is that difference of I'm not the same, I'm not the good person my mom and dad raised me to be. And that you live with that and it's a personal injury that you got to reconcile that you are, you are no longer that good boy that your mom and dad raised. I see what you're saying. You're testing the limits of your moral boundaries because you're making literal life and death decisions. It's a very tough job. And I'm so grateful for every person who raises their hand and does it for us.

I am too. Eric, thank you. Thank you so much for all of this information. I instantly have inferred that we're going to hear a lot more from you because everybody's going to want to talk to Eric Schwamp. Thank you very much. I'm so grateful you came on with us today. Thank you, sir. All right. Good to talk to. There's Eric Schwamm, U.S. Army, Green Beret, a guy who knows us. stuff. He knows his stuff. And I'm very grateful that he came on with us today. Great conversation. And he sees it, guys. He sees what's going on in Minnesota. He goes, I've seen this before. I've seen this overseas. This is what our adversaries do. This is what they do, these insurgencies. And I know how to break them up. And so let me just offer just a piece of unsolicited advice to the government, our government, as they dig through all of this, rely on guys like Eric Schwamp. the guys who have all of this experience, real life experience, hard-earned experience, going after insurgencies,

rely on them to give you good guidance on how we do this in the United States. Yes, of course, we're dealing with U.S. citizens, some of whom have been radicalized, who are involved in all of this. Every aspect of a pursuit of them should be constitutional because we're trying to restore the Constitution and the rule of law in the face of a left that's trying to tear us down. but rely on the guys who know how to how to break through these criminal enterprises because that guy's got it together man he's good isn't he good everybody I appreciate him yeah I am glad he's on our side he's he's good he's good stuff if you enjoyed that interview or anything else on the program please share the show we got to have lots of people watching it because I figure if we're going to have the best audience anywhere it may as well be the biggest

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