The Dan Bongino Show - This Could Change DC Politics | Episode 85

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

The "Autopen Scandal" explodes with new revelations; Bongino returns to the FBI, and the GOP House faces decisions on rescissions. Mike Johnson Tells Senate To Think Twice Before Weakening $9.4 Billion Rescissions Package ⁠https://dailycaller.com/2025/07/14/mike-johnson-senate-gop-doge-cuts-rescissions-package/⁠ Bongino still in limbo as Trump fumes and JD Vance seeks to play mediator, sources say ⁠https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/14/politics/dan-bongino-epstein⁠ Biden Says He Had To Use Autopen Because He Simply Granted Too Many Pardons ⁠https://dailycaller.com/2025/07/13/joe-biden-autopen-pardons-term-hunter-house-republicans/⁠ Sponsors: American Financing - ⁠americanfinancing.net/Vince⁠ Birch Gold - Text VINCE to the number 989898 Blackout Coffee - BlackoutCoffee.com/Vince Bon Charge - ⁠boncharge.com⁠ and use the code VINCE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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If you're listening to the audio version of the podcast, you can always check us out at rumble.com slash Vince. Let me emphasize something really quickly. If Republicans can't pass the test that's before them this week, every single one of them should be fired. Every single one. All you and I want to do is cut government spending. All we want to do. And that's all the president wants to do. He has presented a $9 billion spending cut package to the Congress. And he said, please do this. It is so easy. This is just a little bit of a test for you. This is training wheels on and everything.

Who could possibly fail this? Well, at the rate we're going right now, it is the United States Senate. The Republicans in the U.S. Senate, who are on the verge of failing this test, they've got to cut these nine9 billion in spending by Friday. And if it doesn't happen by Friday, it doesn't happen at all. That's how crazy all of this is. Let me remind you, the House has done its job.

God bless them for it. Mike Johnson is the Speaker of the House. Here's what he had to say about what they're trying to cut. And yeah, it's not much money, but it is a whole bunch of nonsense. Here it is, cut one. Cutting things like six million dollars for net zero cities in Mexico, four million dollars for sedentary migrants in Colombia, whatever that means, three million dollars for Iraqi

sesame street, two million for teaching young children how to make environmentally friendly reproductive health decisions. We're not making this stuff up. A million dollars for voter ID in Haiti. Haiti. Well, they oppose voter ID here. Listen to this. Thirty-three thousand dollars we're going to cut.

That was being used for quote, being LGBT in the Caribbean. No kidding. American taxpayers are funding that. Eight thousand dollars for promoting vegan food in Zambia. Sixty-seven thousand dollars for feeding insect powder to kids in Madagascar. Okay. I think we have our answer. I mean, come on.

None of this should even be happening. None of this should be even happening right now, but we have at least five Republican senators who are standing in the way of making all of these cuts. Their names, just to remind you, are Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Jerry Moran, Mike Rounds, and Dan Sullivan. I guess some of the case they're trying to make is like, oh, we're concerned about money that's supposed to be spent on international AIDS relief. So we want to keep this going. Which is, again, if that's the case, why do we act like all of this is happening in a vacuum? Why is it that the United States has to pay everybody's bills? You don't think anyone else in the whole planet is going to

step up? Why can't their own countries step up to take care of this? Why does the American taxpayer need to be relentlessly, continuously taken care of this? Why does the American taxpayer need to be relentlessly continuously taken advantage of here? It's enough. And then, then the other piece of this is NPR and PBS. This is spending that should not be happening at all. There is no situation. Do you need a government funded media outlet telling you what to do? Chat. Do you need a government media funded, government funded media outlet telling you what to do? Chat, do you need a government media funded, a government funded media outlet, taxpayer funded media outlet? Do you want to continue to support media operations against your will under duress? No, it's crazy. We should get rid of this. And I'm not even talking about viewpoint discrimination here, which PBS and NPR are

completely guilty of. They're completely guilty of it. These are left-wing hatchet operations that are funded by taxpayers. No more, let's stop that. We should have stopped it a long time ago. And so $9 billion in rescissions, including for all of the garbage you just heard Mike Johnson talk about,

this is the easiest possible test of whether or not Republicans can actually do the job that they were elected to do. And if you fail at this, there's literally nothing you can do to help us. Nothing. You suck. You absolutely suck. And so the Senate is right now debating whether or not they're actually going to get this

done. Russ Vogt, who was on this program last week, and if you missed it, you should go back and watch it. He talked about this, rescissions and why it's so important. Russ Vogt is on Capitol Hill today. He's meeting with these senators, trying to settle them down, trying to tell them, do this, do it now. And so we'll see what happens. This is a really big moment, and it's the easiest possible moment. Look, if they fail this week, though, let me let me just tell you something. If they fail this week to do $9 billion in spending cuts, the White House should not spend another send another one of these packages over, not until

August 18. No more. The Republicans are going to screw you. We're not sending anything else over. That's not going to happen because it wastes the president's opportunity to be able to cut these things. Remember, when the president sends a rescission package over, it starts a 45-day clock. Congress has 45 days to pass everything. And if they don't, the spending continues. That's insane.

Here's the difference. As Russ Vogt explained to us, if they send it over on August 18th, 45 days takes us to the end of the fiscal year, that's September 30th. That means we can make these cuts without Congress being involved. Yeah, but the clock elapsed. We're going to make the cuts anyway. That's a big deal. And so if the Republicans fail this week on just the $9 billion, well, then pay attention.

What's going to happen is on August 18th, the White House is going to send over hopefully a very big rescissions package. Very big. And then Congress doesn't have to deal with it at all. We can cut that spending. That's huge. I'm looking forward to that. And I hope it happens.

And when I asked Russ Vought about it, I said, what's your price tag on this? How much money are you going to cut? Because I want to cut a lot. I don't know about you, but I want to cut trillions. But let's start with hundreds of billions. Let's start there. Are you gonna cut that much? He said, I don't want to get into numbers just yet. I said, okay, Russ, how about this? Is it going to be a lot more than $9 billion? And he said, yeah, I think it's safe. You can say that. Okay, good. That's a good start. We'll keep

pressuring them. It needs to happen. It desperately needs to happen here. What else do we have going on? We've got a big Supreme Court decision, which is so wonderful. It is just so stinking wonderful what just happened. The Supremes have just said that, yes, the United States Department of Education, the Trump administration, can move forward with firing education department officials. This comes to us from the Daily Caller News Foundation that the Supreme Court is allowing the Trump administration or they're fundamentally ruling that it's totally

within the Trump administration's rights to move forward with major cuts to the Department of Education. Can I get a round of applause? With major cuts to the Department of Education, can I get a round of applause? Yes indeed. We can cut that dastardly Education Department. Have you noticed education hasn't improved for kids anywhere in the entire country, in the entire existence of the United States Department of Education?

Never once in its decades-long history has it improved educational outcomes in the United States. in its decades-long history as it improved educational outcomes in the United States, that the only purpose of this institution is to rob you of money and then to enrich the teachers' unions. It's all to – and also to distort education across the country. It hasn't helped that we just had record low literacy rates in the nation's report card that came out in January among the nation's fourth and eighth graders. Why in the hell would we keep this operation going? It's an abysmal failure. If this was some service that you hired to help you, you would have fired them a long time ago. They didn't fix your roof. They punched a hole in it. They didn't mow your lawn. They let it become overgrown. They're not the fire department, they're the arsonists.

Fire the education department. Get rid of everybody. The majority in the United States Supreme Court has paused a lower court order requiring the administration to reinstate nearly 1,400 employees. They said, no, no, no, that doesn't have to happen. Those 1,400, they can stay fired, the Supreme Court said. The administration's excited about this. They said, no, no, no, that doesn't have to happen. Those 1400, they can stay fired. The Supreme Court said. The administration's excited about this. They're celebrating it. U.S. Secretary of Education, Wyndham McMahon, said in a statement, today, the Supreme Court again confirmed the obvious. The President of the United States, as the head of the executive branch, does have the ultimate authority to make these decisions. Of course, that's Article 2 of the Constitution.

While today's ruling is a significant win for students and families, it's a shame that the highest court in the land even had to step in to allow President Trump to advance these reforms. Americans elected him to deliver these reforms using those authorities granted to him by the United States Constitution. Once again, that is Article 2 of the Constitution. Really handy guide for you lefties out there who haven't looked at the Constitution ever. Article 1, that's Congress.

Article 2, that's the President. Article 3, those are the courts. I know that's really hard for you to process. I know you haven't really spent any time looking at it. I know you think you're fighting fascism by having members of the various federal agencies protesting, staging insurrections against the President of the United States. But I'm here to tell you, you are completely, incontrovertibly, unimpeachably, and amazingly wrong. It's absurd for you to say that. You work for the president,

the American people elected him, he runs the executive branch, you don't, you ridiculous goons, you psychopaths. You see what they're doing at the State Department? At the United States Department of State, they fired a bunch of people last week, and they were posting little signs on the bathroom windows saying,

oh, oh, this is fascism. Anyone who stays behind has to fight fascism. What are you talking about? You're not fighting fascism, you crazy people. Look at this. Take a look at fellas. If you can pull my screen up here. Here's state department officials were printing out.

Okay. What they're doing is they're wasting American taxpayer funded paper and American taxpayer funded printer ink, which I don't know. I haven't bought a lot of printer ink lately. I try not to print stuff because it's so freaking expensive to buy printer ink, but not on the taxpayer dime. This is what they're doing with the taxpayer dime. Look at this.

They post these stupid signs. Colleagues, if you remain behind, resist fascism, they write in the bathroom. Remember the oath that you swore to uphold? Yeah, the oath was to the Constitution, you Nimrods. The oath was to respect the president of the United States and his authority because he is the duly elected representative of the American people. And these people are really upset being fired. Hey, Chad, any of you government workers, any of you people have worked in this government and seen the sloth, the waste, the fat that needs to be cut in this place? I keep, every so often I get a lot of government workers who will come up to me,

oftentimes in hushed tones who will say things like, Vince, I love your show, I love what you're doing. I gotta tell you, I work inside the government, it is crazy. It is crazy what I'm seeing. I've got a lot of people in the chat saying yes. There are so many useless people working in the government. There are so many saboteurs working in the government.

It is a completely inefficient system. The thing that drives conservatives crazy who work within the government every year is this spend every dollar like it's going out of style attitude that happens before the close of the fiscal year. It's the use it or lose it philosophy. Have you seen this chat? Yeah. People saying they battle it every single day. Yeah. Yes, it's effing nuts. So sugar britches. Yeah, sugar britches.

You're right. I love that name. Sugar britches. It's wild. And then they use it or lose it thing. What a scam that is. I rush vote was talking about this last week. He's talking about rescissions with me. The way it works is basically this. The government, the Congress, they mandate you spend every dollar you can possibly spend. There's not a moment where people are thinking to themselves, how can I save money for the taxpayers?

How can I make sure that we do this project ahead of schedule and under budget? How can we deliver this money back to the Treasury so we don't drive up inflation? How do we do this responsibly? That consideration doesn't usually enter the United States government. It is a very rare impulse for that to emerge. Instead, the impulse is let's spend every last dollar or else we're not going to get that budget next year and we just want to keep growing this budget. That's how this thing never shrinks. So as the close of the fiscal year is approaching,

you know what the government's doing with your money? They're buying new printers. They're buying new printer rig. They're buying new flat screen televisions. They're buying new computers. They're putting in new fancy systems for comfort. It's absurd. But they do it every year. They do it every year. Meanwhile, how many times have you seen government facilities that are on the front end supposed to be serving the people who are rotting away? So while they're buying flat screen televisions, while they're enhancing the air conditioning system for somebody like, well,

what's going on with taking care of people? Is the VA better off because of that? Is the VA better off because of that? Is the wait time improved as you go to the VA? Are we taking care of our nation's veterans? You know that J. Edgar Hoover building where the FBI is housed? You know what's happening at that building? I was just talking to producer Jim about this. He went and visited our buddy, Dan Bongino, a couple of weeks back.

I want to say maybe two months ago. But when he visited him, he was like, Vince, you wouldn't believe the disrepair that this building is in. There is chicken wire being used to hold up the crumbling facade of the building. That's what we have going on. So you waste all this money, you put us in $37 trillion in debt,

and you can't take care of the basics. You can't handle fundamental maintenance. It's enough. It's too much. God bless anybody who's in this administration who's taking this seriously. God bless him. So, Russ Votet today, I can't even believe he's doing this. He's on bended knee begging the United States Senate to cut $9 billion in

spending 9 billion. I'm talking shump change in terms of government spending. And even that is like pulling teeth. And that's where we are today. And these these lunatics, they're all resisting. But the Trump administration is working on it. We got the big beautiful law done. That's through that's good news. Now we need those spending cuts. And we need to fire so much more people. I, I gotta say, I've had my problems with the Supreme Court. I've had my problems with their stupid decisions in the past. This is not stupid. A lot of these decisions that they've been making have been trending in the right direction, which is yes, Trump is the president of the United States. Yes, the president can enforce the

nation's immigration laws. Yes, he can fire federal employees. And no, you lower court judges can't get in his way. I've seen a lot of good decisions break this way lately. And I hope they continue. All right, coming up, something else that the Trump administration is doing, which I think is a big hit, alligator al Alcatraz. Alligator Alcatraz. Is it working? And when I say working, is it having the effect that it intended? I'm going to share some of it with you because I actually think that we have a very good progress report to share with you all ahead on this edition of Vince. You know, it's difficult for the current administration to take your personal finances into account when trying to do what's right for this country. This is something you've got to do and that's why tens of thousands of Americans are buying gold right now from Birch Gold.

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Data and message rates apply. Our thanks to Birch Gold for being a great sponsor to this show. Thank you, keeping me going here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the alligator Alcatraz is really just such a joy. I love that they got this going on. So Everglades, just the Cliffs Notes on this

for those of you who haven't been following along at home. Ron DeSantis working in concert with the Trump administration, sets up an immigration detention deportation facility down in South Florida in the Everglades called Alligator Alcatraz. It's built on an old airstrip, rarely used, but these days it's being used to contain and detain and imprison at least temporarily thousands of very violent, very cruel, illegal aliens who are in our country, but won't be for long. So they're being kept among the alligators and the pythons.

And as one detainee claimed, elephant-sized mosquitoes, they're an alligator alcatraz and really cold AC. He was complaining that the air conditioning was efficient in South Florida in the middle of summer. Yeah. Imagine, imagine talk about a first world problem. It's so cold in South Florida. Okay.

Don't you worry. Whatever country we're sending you back to, I assure you will not have that problem. You'll be just, just fine there. You'll prefer it. I can guarantee you. All right. So they're all down there. You've got all these things going on,

mosquitoes, alligators, pythons. And this weekend, it was made even worse for those detainees. A group of Democrats was unleashed on alligator Alcatraz. That's right. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Medusa herself, leading a pack of Democrats into alligator Alcatraz. And when she emerged, she was horrified by what she saw.

Take a look here. Debbie Wasserman Schultz cut five. She said, ladies and gentlemen, it's an internment camp. What we saw, the conditions that we saw inside this internment camp, which it is nothing less than that description, were really appalling. I'll walk you through just a few of the really egregious, disturbing, disgusting conditions. Don't look. Don't look at her. Don't turn to stone. Don't look her in the eyes. There

she is. Debbie Werman Schultz. So she said, I'm going to walk you through the appalling conditions. All right. Tell us, Congresswoman, what are the appalling conditions at alligator Alcatraz? What could possibly be, so as she put it, disturbing about alligator Alcatraz that makes it a war crime? Here's Debbie Wasserman Schultz talking about the food cut sticks. Take a look. For meals when we walked through the quote unquote meal prep area, the kitchen area for lack of a

better term, the portion, they had the portions that were available for detainees and they had the portions that were available for employees being prepared at the same time. The portions available for employees, large pieces of roast chicken, large sausages, and the detainees' lunches were a small, you know, to grey turkey and cheese sandwich, and and chips and that's it. So let me see if I can get her complaint drilled down here. She's complaining that the American citizen guards of alligator Alcatraz are getting better meals than the violent criminal illegal alien detainees who are kicking out of the country right now. Oh, the guards get to eat

roast chicken. And what was it? Did she say did she say large sausages? Did I hear that correct? Justin? I'm pretty sure she said large sausages. I don't know, somehow that that creeped its way into the the press conference that she did. But that's it sounds better than what? She, yeah, that's right. It is better than Michelle Obama's school lunch. It's a lot better.

So the guards are eating well. And then she said that the detainees, what are they having? They have turkey sandwiches with cheese. They have cheese and turkey sandwiches, which is pretty nice. I gotta say, I'm sitting in the studio with cheese. They have cheese and turkey sandwiches, which is pretty nice. I gotta say, I'm sitting in the studio with Isaac. Isaac, am I not scrambling every day to get lunch?

Yes, I am. I'm scrambling all the time to find something to eat for lunch. If I had somebody preparing a turkey sandwich for me every day, I'd be in a much better situation, but I don't have that. I'm not an illegal alien detainee. So I'm just a regular American citizen

I have to forge for lunch for myself. That's what I have to do. So they're getting cheese and turkey sandwiches What else are they getting? They get a bag of chips and they get an apple That sounds pretty damn good to me I don't know about you, but I would take a turkey and cheese sandwich any day of the week for lunch She did describe it as gray. It's a gray sandwich, she said. It was monochrome. It was like the beginning of the Wizard of Oz. It was a horrible experience. They weren't in Oz yet. This is crazy. And then my absolute favorite complaint from Debbie Washerman-Shawls. Just in case you were wondering how out of touch this lady is, listen to her describe

toilets inside of this detention center and their proximity to sinks. Here she is. They essentially drink that they get their drinking water and they brush their teeth, where they poop in the same unit. They bragged that they went above standards supposedly and gave them a three foot privacy wall that stretches the length inside the 32 detainee cage. A three foot privacy wall that stretches the length of the three toilets. I think to be fair, what she's describing is a prison. She's described it's alligator alcatraz is meant to be a detention center. But this this complaint that she has, I find

super interesting. She's complaining that the toilet is in the same space as the sink. toilet is in the same space as the sink. Now, I don't know about your house. I don't know about your office bathrooms. But my general impression is usually there is a sink in the same general vicinity as the toilet. For most Americans, that is in no way an atrocity. It's a standard way of living. Now, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, maybe it is. Maybe in her world, she has a separate throne room for the toilet. The sink is in some other distant part of the house. Medusa is living a very different life than the rest of us. It's an elite life. It's an elite life. Look at her. Fellas, did Grok generate that?

You said that Grok generated that? That is unreal. And I love the palm trees on her robe. For those of you who are listening, Justin has rapidly generated a Grok image of Debbie Wasserman Schaltz depicted as Medusa with actual snakes for hair, holding up some sort of gavel, and wearing a robe covered in Florida-themed palm trees.

Grok is really nailing it these days, man. And she's got five fingers on each hand, which is a really, that's a nice correction from the old AI, when everybody had six fingers. What the hell's going on there? Needs to be uglier or something. Who said that? Needs to be ugly. Naked Andrew Gillum.

Naked, oh, Andrew Gillum would know. Down there in Florida. Yeah. Anyway, so bathrooms do tend to have sinks in them. Toilets and sinks in the same room is not the most unusual thing ever. Whatever elitist life she's come from, maybe that's not the case, but for the rest of us, we're all living with that war

crime of the sink being in the same place as the toilet. And that was really funny. Now of course, these are Democrats. She was joined by people like the boy wonder, Maxwell Frost, they were out there complaining about all of this. At one point, Maxwell Frost hilariously was saying, there's feces all over the place. Really? There's feces all over the place? He's like, well, I didn't actually get to see the room, but I believe there's probably feces all over the place. Okay. So you just made that up? Yeah, I just made that up. Republicans also visited Alligator Alcatraz this weekend, and they had a very different take on what they experienced. Take a look, cut eight. It's the Republican delegation.

Inside Alligator Alcatraz for the first time, this group of lawmakers spent three hours walking through their facility. The rhetoric does not match reality. The Republicans liked what they saw, giving a positive review of the detainee experience. The guy's taking pictures. The bed is actually more comfortable than my bed at housing. I'm going to have to have that conversation with my wife. State Senator Blaise Engoglia, who represents Citrus and Hernando counties,

enjoyed his first tour, seeing and smelling the food, which some detainees reported had bugs in it. The food was so yummy looking in there that we're actually hungry. I'm hungry, yeah. I'm hungry. That's the truth. They say conditions met all of their standards. Meeting all the standards for prisons

and detention facilities, both at the state level and at the federal level. Amazing. Just amazing. You know, at one point a Republican congresswoman is quoted in that clip, that clip package where she said she yelled out in Spanish to one of the detainees and asked how things were going and he said, quote, very good. Very good. I will say that in terms of the effectiveness of Alligator Alcatraz, in addition to providing it

a source of comedy for the rest of us, it is inspiring illegal aliens to get the hell out of the country before they end up in Alligator Alcatraz. Take a look at this report. This comes to us from the Tallahassee Democrat. And the headline on it is, my dad isn't a Criminal. Facing prosecution, scared detainees are picking fast track deportation

right now. And the story centers around a woman called Isabella Hurtado, who was sitting in a courtroom recently. Her father was taken into custody because he's an illegal alien, and now the family is petitioning for fast-track deportation. They want to get him out of the country quickly. They don't want him to stay in detention. They'd like for him to go home and quickly so they can communicate with him easily. They'd prefer that. They don't want him in alligator alcatraz. And in fact, this piece from the Tallahassee Democrat points out that recently many defendants and their families say they hope pleading guilty will adjudicate their cases much faster. Reports of inhumane conditions, you know, the ones made up by Debbie Wasserman Schultz,

at alligator Alcatraz and other detention centers and long wait times to see judges are creating a distressing situation for immigrants, they say, which of course is, they're referring to illegal aliens. They go on to say that they're hearing the news about alligator Alcatraz and they're stressed. My mom just wants to get this done as soon as possible, says the woman, because it's scary.

So they want to deport the guy quickly now. The family wants him deported rapid fire so that he's not spending a bunch of time in alligator Alcatraz. This is having the exact effect that Ron DeSantis and President Trump intended, which is to serve as a deterrent. Why do you think we have the death penalty

in the United States? What's the point of that? It's not to, well, of course it's to prevent the person who you do it to from committing further crime, but it's also to serve as a deterrent to say, there are dire consequences for dire violations of the law. And there are practical consequences here for practical violations of our law,

which is you come into our country illegally, you are going to be kicked out. So you have two options. Do it the easy way or do it the hard way. The hard way includes alligator alcatraz. You want to avoid that fate? Get out now. And people are doing that to the tune of well over now a million people who have self deported from the United States. That number is only growing. In other words, it's working. And I'll remind you, assuming you voted for Trump,

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Yes indeed. All right. I am pleased to have joining me right now, Sam Mirajovski, the host of the What's Right Show. He's a great guy and he's on the program. Sam, good to have you with us today. That's great to be with you. It is very nice to chat.

Okay, so we just had a week of all of this Epstein stuff, this back and forth on Jeffrey Epstein and whether or not the files would come out. And I do have a little bit of an update today. I saw Benny Johnson posting to social media that he spoke to an FBI source, or at least a government source that's indicating to him that we are gonna get some more Epstein files.

And Laura Trump even told Benny that yesterday that expect some more Epstein files to come out. What did you make of this whole saga? And do you think the Epstein files are an important piece for us to get? Well, I actually think this whole thing is a messaging disaster. And I think Pam Bondi, you know, I think this is a primarily a way of a problem of how she presented it. The number one reason why stuff can't be disclosed is because judges across the country have blocked its disclosure. It's under court seal. I mean, and that's the number one problem. And Pam Bondi just needs to come out and say it. So dangling, you know, these, these releases and, and, and, you know, the

binders to the influencers and all that stuff to me just seems kind of, kind of silly. Um, is it important? It's hugely important. And you know, aside from the subject matter, which is that kids were abused, you know, full stop. The other part of it, the reason why it's important is because I don't know if you've seen Trump's approval numbers, but, but ever since this disaster has started to unfold this like a slow moving train wreck, his poll numbers are gradually coming down, particularly with independence. And this is Rasmussen, you know, these are credible polls that are showing this. So I, you know, Trump's got to get ahead of this and somebody's got to come out and, and just lay it out and say, here's the problem. Here's why we can't release it.

Here's what we can do. And here's what we will do. And I think that would make all the difference. One of the reasons this is very important is because of what story it tells in terms of the transparency. The American people are sick of the deep state. They're sick of the government lying to them. They're sick of distrusting their government.

They're demanding radical transparency and accountability. So the Epstein saga is a piece of that. And so when you get years of conversation, including by people like Pam Bondi, who's gone on national television, even before she was attorney general, saying that this is owed to the American people, well, then you're damn right it is.

Of course it is. And so this is a piece of that. I think that's why if you're watching any slip right now in the in the numbers, as you point out for President Trump, it's because people have placed so much hope that in him that he will be the one that breaks that corrupt system. And rightfully so. Vince, you're absolutely right. Look, kids were raped and they were,

and the guy who was orchestrating it got away with it for years. And he got away with it because people in our government turned a blind eye to it for whatever reason, right? But those are, I think those are pretty indisputable facts. So we elected Trump to clean this mess out, to drain the swamp. And part of that was to ensure that people in power didn't get away with child rape. It doesn't get any more basic than that.

So 100% Trump has to, he has to shine daylight on this. Otherwise, I think it, it risks sinking some of the, and overshadowing some of his other huge successes. Okay. Let me, let me take it to the next step on this. it risks sinking some of the, and overshadowing some of his other huge successes. Okay, let me take it to the next step on this. Cause I actually think, obviously, I did a whole episode yesterday, much of it, talking about Dan Bongino's return to the FBI.

I'm glad he's there, although, you know, whatever God decides for that man and his life, I hope he listens to it and he does it. Whether that's being in this space, in the podcast space, or working as deputy director of the FBI. But I do think the nation's better off having him there. What I'd like to see next, and what I think could be very good for the FBI,

is in addition to whatever transparency they can produce on this issue, including just telling us why they can't release stuff like you just said, Sam. The other side is, I wanna see mugshots of the people who deserve it. Like, I think James Comey deserves his mugshot. I think John Brennan and James Clapper deserve their mugshots of the people who deserve it. I think James Comey deserves his mugshot. I think John Brennan and James Clapper deserve their mugshots. I think the list is kind of

extensive. And if the FBI and then, of course, the United States Department of Justice, by way of prosecuting, can deliver those things, I think the numbers you just referred to are going to start heading in the opposite direction. And it will be very big for the president if he can bring some accountability to an out of control government. Right. And regardless of whether you can get a conviction in DC for some of these people you mentioned or not, because that's always the, you know, that's a consideration. The the the perp walk and the mugshot is essential. And, and, and it's, it's the, it's some semblance of justice because by the way, I'm, I'm convinced that, that one of the big stories of the Epstein files is that for years, instead of the deep state actually investigating Epstein for crimes he committed, they were trying to find a way

to leverage the story and, this story and contorted into something they could use as a cudgel against Trump. And that's what I think Trump is getting at when he's putting out the tweets that these are just, you know, James Comey, you know, clapper concocted, you know, reports. And I think that's so incredibly shameful. And it's not obviously Comey's not just Epstein, there's all sorts of things that I think he broke the law on. So I agree with you. So, okay, let me ask you,

I'm gonna consult the legal part. You're a lawyer. And this effort to go after Comey and Brennan and others, we get reporting from John Solomon this week, just the news, indicating that the FBI has now, at least a couple of weeks ago, opened a grand conspiracy investigation into everything happening dating back to 2016 and the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. And the seminal moments for that were Hillary Clinton's campaign was looking for a distraction

from the fact that she had stolen classified information and was keeping it inside of a homebrew server in Chappaqua, New York. So they cook up this fake scandal that Trump is colluding with the Russians and the rest, of course, is history. There's been a lot of parts to that. One of the things John Solomon points out in this, Sam, is that if you consider the Jack Smith special counsel time as a part of the grand conspiracy, that opens up our statute of limitations. Some of that activity took place in Florida. They raided Mar-a-Lago. They were rifling through

Melania's underwear drawer, and that happened very recently. Is it your understanding as a lawyer that a grand conspiracy, if that's the way they're approaching this, would allow us to go back to 2016 and consider any criminal law violations at that time? some of the criminal activity is alleged to have occurred in the Southern District of Florida, now potentially the case or parts of the case can be brought there. And Vince, that would be the most important thing because again, you're not gonna get a conviction in the District of Columbia or anywhere around there for anybody that is anti-Trump, but you definitely could get it in Florida or pretty much anywhere else in the country.

Well, that's what Jack Smith had to deal with when he was trying to bring his case against President Trump, because they impaled the grand jury first in Washington, D.C. Then they transferred the case to Florida after they cooked the books on the effort to go after President Trump. So clearly the left is aware of the DC venue and how important it is to their cruel designs. And by the way, it backfired ultimately because the case had to be venued in South Florida.

It ended up being venued there. The judge obviously was common sense and that meant favorable to Trump. Uh, and, and ultimately I'm not convinced the jury, if that, if that particular case had ever gone to trial, uh, down there, I, I'm just not convinced a jury would have signed off on it. So, so juries, you know, venue is huge. It's operative. If you'll recall back to, you know, special counsel, John Durham, and the prosecution he brought forward in DC, and it was, you know, absolutely an airtight, open and shut case, you know, got to not guilty there simply because of the makeup of the jury, you know, 96, 98% of DC voted for Biden. You don't have to, you know, be a math genius

to realize how that's going to be a problem for anyone bringing a case against any Democrat. Yeah, that's for sure. OK, so on this grand conspiracy investigation, if it's true, if and I and I tend to believe it is. What happens next? Do you think a special counsel should be launched here? I know we've had a lot of special counsels in recent years. This case might seem like it deserves it. Involves a lot of different agencies and stretches back now over the course of,

well, four presidencies. Yeah, it might be the appropriate way to go. Remember the special council statute, there's some dispute around it. So some of the arguments that our side was making, that Trump was making, that were valid about why Jack Smith's appointment was inappropriate could be used now against, you know, against us. So it whether it's a special counsel or it's a particular US attorney that is

designated to to pursue the case, I'd love to see Ed Martin lead some kind of a, you know, a, a, a prosecution here of this. He's a, just an absolute bad-ass. So, um, so I look, I, I, I, I'm all for somebody being designated, whatever his or her title is, uh, as a overseeing prosecutor of this and not somebody that's a showman. Not, you know, I love Matt Gates, not Matt Gates, like not, you know, I love Matt Gaetz, not Matt Gaetz, like not, you know, this needs to be a serious prosecutor, somebody who has experience with, you know, with bringing a big, complicated criminal cases to trial. And I think that's going to be operative. It needs to be careful, quick and ruthless.

That's what we need. One thousand percent. Okay. So here, let me get another legal perspective from you. I'm sorry. And I'm sorry. I'm not going to I'm not going to pay your hours this time. Let me let me let me focus on what's going on with the auto pen presidency. So we get a New York Times report this week indicating that there was a trust

me, bro chain of custody going on inside of the Biden White House, that a bunch of people were telling each other, oh, yeah, yeah, Joe Biden totally signed off on inside of the Biden White House that a bunch of people were telling each other, Oh yeah, yeah, Joe Biden totally signed off on all of these pardons. Oh yeah, yeah. He was awake at 10 30 in the middle of the night. Oh, definitely the night before the inauguration, he was totally awake, clear eyed. And he was telling us we need to pardon Anthony Fauci. And so they use the auto pen robot to sign a ton of these pardons and all sorts of documents. The New York Times didn't bother to speak to any lawyers for this piece.

They just talked to Joe Biden for 10 minutes and he swore that he was compas mentis. As a lawyer, what do you make of this? Does this in any way sound constitutional to you? Well, my biggest concern, obviously obviously is always maintaining article two powers and particularly the very thing that they try to strip from Trump in the Interpresidency period interterm period when he was out of office was his executive privilege So I am you know, I was we lawyers we try to think always a little like a couple steps ahead As much as I want to get all of these

jerks who did this and I think there was actual criminal activity involved here. A lot of it could very well be covered by executive privilege. So my concern would be to not try, you know, to not erode that to the extent that later in a subsequent Democrat administration, that same erosion could be used against Trump. So that said, what do you do here? Well, I think it's pretty clear if you get people to testify that ultimate and admit and you could do this through some depositions and admit that they didn't really have the

approval of the president of the United States to do this, then that's a criminal case. I mean, you could absolutely bring that. And they're going to fight on grounds of executive privilege. That's what they're going to do. And that issue is going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court. And one thing I want everybody to understand when the Democrats talk about, and they use it all the time with Trump, that Trump has created a constitutional crisis.

You've heard this term so many, just overused. This is the single greatest constitutional crisis, not just the auto pen. It's the entire four years of Joe Biden's presidency, where he clearly was non compos mentis. He didn't have his wits about him. Other people were running the White House. And now how do we wrestle with that? How do you just, you know, by, by, you know, court order undo a four year presidency potentially, because some conservatives talk about doing that. And it carries with it some, some constitutional risk in my view. Well, there's huge implications, of course, but it's step one is demonstrating whether

or not the president had the wherewithal to do the job. That's obviously true. We have an entire amendment dedicated to that question. So the public is entitled to know whether or not he was actually doing anything if he was running the country or if other people were doing it. And on this question of executive privilege, as you've pointed out, the Biden administration on a constant basis

waived the executive privilege rights of Trump officials and straight up put them in jail over this. This is what happened to people like Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon. And so what we've seen of late as Congress is investigating the Biden presidency is President Trump has responded in kind. He's waiving the executive privilege claims of every single one of these people were going before Congress and saying, Nope, you're not entitled

to it. And that included this past week, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, the White House doctor for Joe Biden, and by the way, Biden family business partner, who they hauled in and nope, you're not entitled to any executive privilege claims. He hid behind the fifth amendment and this doctor patient privilege nonsense. But still here, you're already seeing this president going, no, you want to treat my presidency that way? We'll respond in kind, which I think is the right thing to do. Well, I do. I love that Trump is so much more robust and bold in his second term than he was in his first. This is exactly what I voted for three times. So I love to see it. I'm just saying ultimately, the issue would come up to the Supreme Court.

And I'm preparing conservatives for this do not be surprised if even reliable right-wing justices conservative justices rule on the side of executive privilege because it you know and and and potentially, you know prevent cases for moving forward or even Even I would say potentially overturning a conviction should one occur So it's it's you know, this is the this is the landmine in in the case and I as much as I want to see justice I also want us as a country to maintain a strong executive branch the way our founders intended Okay

Before we let you go, Sam, I know one of your passions is on this issue of illegal immigration that's been going on in the country. And ICE raids are happening all over the place. You know, these and as far as we can tell, ICE is doing it the right way. They're getting warrants to go in after people when necessary. They're going in, doing their jobs, trying to stay safe. But you've got the left rooting for their destruction on a routine basis, comparing ICE agents to Nazis saying they're the Gestapo, saying that what they're doing is Soviet, that they have to be unmasked.

The effect of that would be to threaten themselves and their families. What do you make of the issues that ICE is facing right now created by the left and all of the assassination attempts against these agents we've seen lately? Well, it's vile, obviously. And I think it's what you're seeing is the Democratic Party in death rows. I think it's now obvious that for the last four years and for the several decades before that, the Democrats had a plan

and they were going to import as much of the third world into the country illegally and, and it benefited them politically. Now it is unraveling at a, at a, at a fast clip. Uh, Trump now through the, you know, BBB has the funding necessary to continue all of this. So all they've got is violence. And what leftists do and mind you, Vince, these are the same people that a minute ago were lecturing us all about the sanctity of democracy and the will of the people. Now, the people have spoken, by the way, this is remains a very popular issue for Trump in the polling, even among independents, majority of Americans support this. So what does the left have? They can't win on the issue in the, in the

polling place. So they do what communists do and they use violence. So by the way, this is the reason my parents came to this country to begin with. They fled a communist Czechoslovakia in 1968. They came here legally. It was extremely painful. It was extremely difficult, costly. And you will not find here in America, you will not find anyone more opposed to legal immigration than legal immigrants. We are a nation of immigrants. We do celebrate immigration. Our country is better for the immigrants that are here. But they need to come here legally when we need to know who's coming through the front door, vet them and make sure they're a net benefit for the United States of America. Yeah, that's right.

We just need, we need to bring it. If we're gonna bring in people, they should be the right people to improve our country. That's the point. Okay, well, Sam Mirajowski, great to have you on the show today. Really appreciate you joining and people can check out your great program.

It's called What's Right Show. And nice to talk to you today, Sam. That's a pleasure. Take care. It's great to have you here. There he is, Sam Mirajofsky, good guy. And hopefully a lawyer. It's always good to have a lawyer on standby so you can chat with somebody about what the hell's going on?

Is this legal? Can this even happen? I do think that the the auto pen presidency stuff is is very worth getting to the bottom of very, very worth it. Okay. One, here's a big thing I want to share with you. A totally different subject, but it matters a lot. The you remember a couple years back when Major League Baseball canceled the All-Star Game in Georgia, they moved it away. I think they sent it to Denver. They're like, no, we're not going to do it in Georgia.

Why aren't we going to do it in Georgia? Because Georgia is changing its voting laws. And the way that Major League Baseball described it was the same way that the left broadly had described those changes to say that it was the same way that the left broadly had described those changes, to say that it was like Jim Crow, or as Biden had said at one point, Jim Crow 2.0, or this makes Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle. Do you remember all of that nonsense?

Of course, it was all bullshit. It was just completely false at the time, because the laws in Georgia, as they were changed, improved the quality because the laws in Georgia as they were changed improved the quality of the elections in Georgia, made them more credible. And in fact, turnout increased across Georgia, including among black voters. And that's the very group that the left kept saying was going to be targeted for voter suppression. That's weird because black turnout just kept going up after that.

Fewer people were disenfranchised from voting after the laws were improved. Well, that left-wing idiocy is still desperately hanging on. This week at a major league baseball all-star event, a reporter asked a couple of the people who were on the stage to explain why all-star event, a reporter asked a couple of the people who were on the stage to explain why all-star events were back in Georgia in light of the fact that Georgia had these dastardly voter-suppressing laws that the reporter just straight up made up. Check out this moment among

the people on stage, Pat McAfee, Dave Roberts, the manager of the Dodgers. Here they are trying to navigate this demented question. There is a law on the books here in Atlanta that is a voter suppression law that Joe Biden has called Jim Crow of the 21st century. Dave, in 2021, in the MLB Network special, you said it's about being relentless with our voices and speaking up. And this is not an isolated moment and it needs to be something talked about

on an ongoing basis. Relentless. And being relentless with it. What happened to being relentless with our voices and why are we in Atlanta when this law is still on the books? And it is a dangerous situation to be a journalist in Atlanta because Atlanta has detained the most journalists by ICE. What? I believe the question was a political question about laws that are on the books and everything like that. I don't know if any of us are the experts or the ones that

should be giving answers on that. But respect and appreciate the way you feel about it. And I would assume that there was a reason or some conversation that was had by the MLB and the state that all parties thought that this would be a wonderful host city for the All-Star game. And I think everybody is all very excited to be back in the beautiful city of Atlanta.

Oh, it's so embarrassing. It is so embarrassing. And she referenced also Dave Roberts, again Dodgers manager who's standing who's sitting up there on stage, and said, hey, you said that we need to keep speaking up relentlessly about this. And these guys, they took a pass. They're like, no, no, no, we don't want to talk about it anymore. We're not political people. I don't even know what I'm talking about. Well, then why did you weigh in to begin with? Why did you open your fat, ignorant, suck to begin with on this issue?

What a dastardly disgusting lie that Major League Baseball was a part of, joined at the hip with people like Joe Biden, who himself is a liar over the course of his entire career in American politics, which is his entire lifetime. He's been a liar the whole time. And so Major League Baseball not only bought into the lie, but advanced it in a cruel way that only hurt the people of Atlanta. Georgia didn't deserve that. It was gonna be a big boon for Atlanta

to have the All-Star Game in the first place. They could have used the money. The people who were hurt the most, the business owners, most of them black in Atlanta, didn't get the benefit of the business of the All-Star Game being there. The whole thing was so demented and crazy. And again, to reiterate,

Georgia improved the credibility of its election laws with those changes. Before that, do you know what was happening with mail-in ballots? Do you know how it worked? People would sign their ballot. They put a signature on it, then they'd mail it in. And then a government official would stare at the ballot, an elections official. And then if your signature on your ballot didn't match the one that was on file, they would throw it out. They would say it wasn't a match. Guess which population was hurt the most by that treatment?

Black voters. In other words, black voters were disenfranchised at higher rates during the signature match system they used to have in Georgia. You know what they have now? You write your driver's license number or your state ID number on that mail-in ballot, you send it in, and then they can verify your identity.

Now, fewer black voters are being disenfranchised. So once again, the left tells you the exact opposite of the truth. They tell you that this law that Republicans are advancing to improve the quality of elections is going to disenfranchise black voters. It had the perfect inverted effect. It increased the enfranchisement of black voters in the state of Georgia. Once again, the left is lying to you, and we're still living with the crazy impact of that all these years later, where an idiot reporter asks a stage full of idiots about Georgia's actually much improved voter laws. Just want to remind you what the facts are.

It's kind of the point of this show. Great to have you with us today. I've got the big national radio show coming up 12 to three Eastern time each weekday. We do that all across the country, thevinzshow.com for your local listings or come to rumble.com slash Vince and you can listen there. Great to be with you today. Back tomorrow.