The Dan Bongino Show - This Is How The Media Spins The News | Episode 111
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the media research center has been the the the brain room of the american right when it comes to assessing how the media operate the lies that they are telling you
and just all of the nonsense constantly and has been doing that for now four decades a long time
and the guy who's currently running the operation is the son of founder brent bezell
david bezell joins me today in studio the president of the media research center david thank you
nice to see you a lot of fun thank you appreciate it it's how is your dad doing by the way the president
appointed him he's a he's a royal pain in the uh you know what right now he's president emeritus in the media
Research Center which means he's got my old office and he's held up a sign napping in progress
and he sends emails out to the staff not to wake him up uh-huh so but he's having a blast
that's great so he's south africa ambassador of designee so i think his hearings are going to be
right after a labor day oh finally yeah finally yeah he's um he got caught up in the logjam
there's a I think somebody said that the Senate is on a record pace for presidential confirmations
except for the fact that if they kept up that pace the president Trump's administration
would be confirmed in five and a half years it's so crazy it is taking this long I just
talked to senator Schmidt actually Senator Eric Schmidt was on uh with us on the radio show on
Friday and he told me that when they get back from recess yeah that they're going to
accelerate everything yeah
He said that they've basically come up with an agreement that they're going to try and blow past all this Democrat obstruction.
Yeah, I mean, there's probably, I mean, on balance, there's probably too many people for them to confirm.
There's 1,400 political appointees.
And then all the ambassadorships go through Senate foreign relations.
That's the biggest quantity.
And so you just get stuck in this log jam.
But the founders did not intend for the president of the United States to never get some of his nominees through.
That was not the point of this.
of the founders intent for the United States Senate to be confirming the deputy deputy of deputy
XYZ agency and so they just I think there's just too many people and and frankly this goes to
government large ask questions and just excessive size of government there's too many people for
them to confirm as the schedule presents itself and you know frankly I mean not to not to diminish
my father's chances of confirmation but they need to
to work harder. They have this sort of Tuesday through Thursday schedule that needs to be expanded.
Well, I mean, but Democrats, it's not, it's also that Democrats are intentionally obstructing
this. A lot of these nominees used to make it through through something we call unanimous consent,
which is they didn't actually have a hearing. There weren't objections raised. The president is
entitled to get the guys he wants in place. The ambassador to South Africa, really, we're going to make
a national issue out of this. But in your father's case, my suspicion is we are because the left
hates your dad and is going to do everything they can to stop him probably some of the republican
echelon as well uh but look uh yes his is i don't think his nomination is controversial at all
now it's a hot spot i mean south africa is no joke that's true and uh there's a lot of saber
rattling going on all you know china etc um that that'll be for his that's his story to tell
however um i could see why the senate would have a vested interest and and who's going to get that
spot. Yeah. Geographically, it's an important spot. The president wanted a pit bull. My father's a
pit bull. And so I can see them wanting a vested interest. That said, there's just little things
in the confirmation process that you, that you sort of see throughout. At one point, they asked,
is he a published author? Okay. Yes. Yes, he is. Could you send us everything you've ever
written in 40 years yeah i mean a twice weekly national column i mean did you guys go in did you guys
to go find all that stuff you did a big dig we had a huge dig well not only that god for chat ch pt by
though well you know what they want too you know what they want for these confirmation processes is not
just everything he's ever written which is already a big hall they want every interview he's ever done
yep they want every transcript everything your dad didn't your dad appear on hannity like once a week
once a week like a thousand years in the old days of the crossfire
who's on there once or twice a week, you know, with Buchanan and Kinsley and all these guys.
So, I mean, the McLaughlin show, you did that plenty of times.
Yes.
This is a real test.
He guess so should rush a couple of times.
This is a real test of the media research centers resources.
Yeah.
Are you legit?
Do you have the library?
Exactly.
We've had to do our own digging for all that stuff to try to help them out.
And, you know, thank God we've had, you know, most of all the television stuff we've had.
Yeah.
I mean, we just crossed our one million.
millionth hour of recordings at the Media Research Center.
So tell people, in terms of like your library, you do this, I tell my reporters at the
Daily Caller, whenever we run up against the wall, we're like, we gotta find something
from some old CNN thing from a decade ago.
I was like, I'm pretty sure the media research center has it.
What do you have?
What's the library that you guys maintain?
A million hours.
Everything that's ever been on news aired on television since 1987 is either on VHS or digitized
right now.
Every single hour.
And we've had to, because VHS tapes only have a shelf life of about 13, 14 years,
we've had to re-convert all those things.
Digitize them.
To digitize them.
So, yeah.
So you have every-
About a million hours.
You have every hour of cable news since 1987?
Just about, I mean, we used to, we, we were in competition, I think, with Vanderbilt
for the largest television archive in the world.
And I think they even stopped.
So I think, yes, we can say confidently that we have the largest television archive in the world.
Isn't that wild?
You know, sometimes we'll.
Sometimes we'll press pause just because with with it's actually cheaper believe
or not yeah it was cheaper back then so how's the archive than it is now now it's
because you think well it's digitized and it's just cloud and everything's in the
cloud and it should be cheaper yes the VHS tape was like three bucks yep right and so
you could put you know 10 hours on a VHS tape and no problem you can hold it
presumably for forever AWS and all the cloud digitizing systems mean they they
know that you know we're the only game in town
So it costs us a pretty penny to put it all together.
But it's important to have the verifiable record of how these guys are presenting news and information.
And to be able to chronologically go back in history to see how they've changed or not changed.
So my guess is that your dad, it can't be.
Your dad's confirmation process is not the first time that your media library has been consulted for presidential nominees.
My guess is Republicans have often come to you and said, hey, could we get access to the archives?
Well, Democrats, too. I mean, because we're a C3, we have to answer those phone calls.
And so typically in a presidential years when these things get magnified, and we get a lot of phone calls from both presidential campaigns, and then a lot of senatorial campaigns as well.
So we'll dish them out because we have to. We're an educational foundation. So by law, we have to do that.
Back in the late 90s, early 2000s, Daily Wire kind of had us on a speed dial.
They were calling us nearly every day because they were running just different clips.
Not Daily Wire, I'm sorry, the Daily Show.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
With John Stewart.
So they would want, they needed clips, and they weren't taping like we were.
And so, yeah, they would call us, you know, it was not uncommon for it to get calls from those guys.
So, yeah.
All the stuff that you saw on Comedy Central, more often than not, came from us in terms of if John wanted to run a clip and goof on right.
Was that a weird feeling, though?
Because, like, well, I mean, as a conservative, as you're, like, feeding the Daily Show's engines,
and they're using it constantly
to attack conservatives.
There must have been some feeling of like,
oh, crap, what are they doing?
In some sense, I think we,
one of the things that we wanted to do too
was if you couldn't take the heat,
you shouldn't be on the air.
True.
We wanted to, if a clip
embarrassed a conservative,
well, then maybe you've got to get better
at your presentation.
Now, if it was unfair,
yeah, you'd feel a little bad,
but again, by law, we had to.
uh we could not discriminate uh who you know uh based on political affiliation of the caller
right who wanted the who wanted the video so by law we had to do it got it um so you can sit
around and feel bad about it but you got to do it yeah it's just it's funny i didn't know that so
um through the years uh i i guess i want to get to kind of how the media are today because they
seem um they seem as hysterical over the top and powerless as i've ever seen them like i think
in their powerlessness they they're becoming more crazy how have you seen the legacy press change
through these years that you've been doing this well listen um their ratings on television are in the
toilet right for CNN CNN lost 50 percent of its election night audience um it's not just it's not
just the networks changing or the cables changing it's also audience is changing yeah um
so i ask people all the time when i do speeches raise your hand if you watch the presidential election
coverage of 2024 the election night returns on television 80% of the room you know their hands go up
believe you or not only 23% of the country watched election night returns of the 20 of the 2020 for
presidential on television 23% yeah um everybody's coming here everybody's coming to podcasting everybody's
coming to youtubes and yes types of things rumble rumble um so yeah right um so everybody's going to
of these types of places yeah and uh and so the networks have had to adjust now i was looking at
the top 100 news websites in america right number one can you guess number one news website in
america yeah is it the daily mail no new york times 435 million hits in the month of june
435 million wow right so a lot of that is is uh the word old and the crossword puzzles and stuff
like that but uh to the extent that people it's still the driver uh of the narrative
yes the left is in new york times cnn.com is in the top five uh now where are these things
CBS CNN NBC MSNBC all their ratings are gone down yeah all their site traffic has gone down
yeah but they have embedded themselves in apple news they've embedded themselves in google news
yes they've embedded themselves in yahoo they've embedded themselves in MSN which
which is Microsoft.
All those news pages are top 10 in the world monthly.
Right.
Okay, so they're still getting their message out
through algorithmic aggregator.
It's a force-feeding operation.
It is.
And so that's something that MRC 2.0, 2.0 has to tackle.
In terms of our analysis, we've got to get comfortable
analyzing the big social media slash aggregator platforms like Apple,
and a lot of that comes down to exclusivity contracts with
These guys, usually if you go on Google events, it's New York Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox.
New York Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox, right?
And so the liberal media viewpoint is skewed heavily.
Yes, that's for sure.
And I know you've been.
And those guys have hundreds of millions of visitors.
And you've had a great operation digging into all this tech corruption, too.
I'll talk about more about this in a moment with David Bezell.
Great to have you here with me today.
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the media and um and how they've been operating through the years and as i pointed out a moment ago
you know i do feel like they are hysterical about their lack of power over the conversation or
at least they're dwindling power over the conversation you're right they are algorithmically
forced upon us in many ways but it does seem that fewer and few people
Fewer Americans are even paying attention to those spaces.
A lot of people are just turning to social media to get their news.
Right.
And going to these alternative news sources to get their news.
What effect has that had on our press, on the legacy press?
Well, the believability of the media is at an all-time low.
I mean, Gallup checks this every single year.
I think it's like neck and neck for Pelosi's approval rating and the liberal media's approval rating, right?
There's a race to the bottom.
So look, do they get eyeballs?
Sure.
Does the conservative media ecosystem put a mirror up
and much like Media Research Center does
and has to sort of show the differences
how they present a story versus how we present a story?
Or how the conservative media ecosystem presents a story?
Absolutely.
Yes.
But the believability rate is more important than anything.
And the believability rate is in the toilet.
so they really are losing credibility by the day I'll give you an example of why we had
this is a testament to the archive that we have the the the broadcast news networks did not
cover the Florida truck driver crash okay guy kills three people right allegedly okay
allegedly the guy kills three people allegedly Trump 1.0 refused to give him a license
okay the Biden administration gives him a license he gets one in
California, gets one in Washington, if somehow makes it down to Florida, makes an illegal
U-turn, kills three people allegedly.
Not a single second of that was covered by the broadcast news networks, not a single second.
Now, they are not immune to covering other car crashes.
They covered four other car.
All three networks covered four other car crashes in the month of July.
So it's not like they're immune to covering car crashes, but the one that does not fit
their open border narrative, they refuse to cover.
Well, that's really the whole thing, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's now the most prominent way that they use their power is to omit context from their
presentation.
Yeah.
So they don't tell you about the illegal alien who's killing people.
They don't tell you about Kilmar Abrago Garcia's MS-13 connections.
Today, that's happening with Garcia.
They don't tell you about the crime status in Washington, D.C.
They don't tell you about the state of the homicides.
They don't tell you that the president has stopped the homicides over the course of the
last few weeks. They don't tell you anything. They basically pretend like anything that the left is
involved with is running really, really well, and that the president's efforts to confront their
actual failures are just a fantasy operation in the service of tyranny. Yeah. Bocata, Columbia has a 25,
Columbia has a 25 times better murder rate than Washington, D.C., okay, Bocata, Columbia.
Yeah.
The kind of thing that a fair and balanced news operation would present in terms of calculating
why is President Trump sending in armed National Guard into the city.
Yes.
We've been here.
We've been in Washington for most of our adult lives.
It is not a safe place to walk around most of the time.
there are good pockets but there are pockets that have needed improvement for decades for decades
and everyone who lives here understands us yes but the media does not want to give Trump
credit for anything not one thing so so I have a theory about the effect this is having on the
population and I think you just kind of alluded to the reality of it conservatives are more
literate than their liberal counterparts yeah conservatives know a lot more by and
large on average than the left does about what's actually going on in the world yeah
and the reason for that is because we are aware of what the left claims the world is
and we're aware of whether or not they're right we're aware of the responses right so for
instance during COVID the left had a disproportionately high perception that they
were going to die if they caught the virus yeah there was something like 40%
of all lefties thought that your chances of dying or ending up at the hospital were 50%.
I believe that was the number at the time. It was a delusional, overwrought, hysterical
interpretation of events that was only fed by the legacy media. That clearly, there was a poll
that was done that found that huge numbers, about half of all Democrats, believed that Russia had
changed the vote totals in 2016, that they had manipulated the election. Normal people,
conservatives were not under that impression we knew better we knew that that was stupid that was a lie um and then
the media research center you did a survey about the awareness of the american people about the hunter
biden laptop saga yeah and found that if more people were aware of what was going on that that would
have potentially tilted the election for president trump to win it in 2020 yeah and so with all of that
in mind i can't help but walk away with this conclusion over and over conservatives know what's going on
and the left has no idea.
Yeah, we did a survey post-2020 to shine some light on that.
We asked only Democrats, were you aware of the Hunter Biden laptop story?
To those that answered no, we explained a little bit of the guts of the story.
We said, and we followed up, we said, would you have changed your vote?
Yeah.
Right.
And enough percentage would have changed their vote to have tilted all seven swing states
into Trump's favor, all seven.
So you're right.
they don't pay attention to the other side you know the conservative media's ecosystem a more
recent example in april trump's approval ratings were starting to swoon a little bit a lot of that
was the on again off again tariff discussion um bright part did a very cool analysis of they aggregated
a bunch of a bunch of polls and they they looked at the the cross tabs of the polls in 10 year intervals
18 to 30, 30 to 40, 40 to 50, and so on.
In every single age demographic,
Trump was either neutral or plus since the inauguration,
except for the plus 70 crowd or more seasoned audience.
He was negative 14.
Part of that was the liberal media day in and day out
trying to scare that crowd into saying that the tariffs were going to steal
take away their social security.
Yeah.
Right?
And it's, if you look at it's, if you look,
at the cross tabs even further they're doom watching CNN and MSNBC every day and then come
dinner time they're watching their favorite broadcast news network and it's just all anti-trump all day
every day and so it's almost impossible not to come to the conclusion that Trump is this evil evil
person if that's all you're going to consume and that's what i'm seeing so this is i mean it's just
amazing it wasn't that long ago that we said oh it's the it's the young people who are being misled
they have no idea what's going on but there's some really interesting and rapid
radical demographic shifts going on that President Trump is definitely and hugely responsible
for young people are many of them are very conservative and we just saw in nearby Arlington
Virginia this past week a a rally standing up on behalf of transing children like saying that
boys should be in girls locker rooms etc and the crowd was full of old people yeah it was full
of just old hippie Democrats who are there saying
that transing the kids is a wonderful thing,
and if you don't do it, you're a bad person.
And it wasn't like a bunch of young people showing up.
It was old people who obviously consumed CNN and MSNBC all day.
Yeah.
It really does go to show you that the media, to the extent that it has powered,
boy, it has a captive audience in an older set.
And the downstream policy effect of that is, I mean, in Fairfax County, okay,
if you, if there's a segment of kids that are called furries,
they'll dress up as cats and dogs
and they'll meow and they'll bark
in Fairfax County
if you're in high school viz
and you see a kid wearing a tail
and you pull that tail
get out of here okay it is a felony
and a hate crime no way
and a $5,000 fine
okay for the kid and the kid's family
okay and the kids are all warned
don't you dare pull any tails
I'm sorry I've missed this
I followed this a lot.
I had no idea.
I just had kids go through high school and all their friends coming out of the public school system.
We're like, this is what we were warned in orientation.
You cannot, if somebody dresses up in a furry outfit and you pull their tail, it's a felony.
Okay.
So the people making that call, okay, are watching CNN and MSNBC all day long.
It's so ridiculous.
And we were high school guys, right?
We were all high school guys.
Who among us?
If there was a guy, if there was somebody walking by us with their tail,
wouldn't pull that tail.
What are the penalties for swirlies now?
I know, right?
I wonder.
I know.
I mean, it's silly.
Yeah.
That's the kind of thing.
That's the kind of downstream effect.
Some of this coverage and this, this just obsessive desire that we just cannot treat anyone
differently.
So crazy.
Yeah.
Just when you think things can't get more demented.
All right.
More in a moment here with David Bezell.
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here with us the president of the media research center the i want to talk to you about um
how the media are reacting to the president's administration holding people accountable uh there was
a raid on john bolton's home on friday in bethista maryland um it it appears that the
reason that that rate occurred was that there was a very mature investigation into his
theft of classified information and dissemination of it that was going on the Biden administration
got rid of that investigation they canceled it out but it's been restarted by the current
FBI led by Dan Bongino and cash Patel so they they sent guys over and they raided the house
and the office on Friday and we'll see what that investigation yields but the media this
weekend went absolutely crazy over this David they were saying that this was so
this was the show me the man i'll show you the crime operation they were bringing out all sorts of
people who've made excuses for tyranny at the hands of the state when it's targeting conservatives
what do you make of this reaction from the press and how much crazier do you think it'll get if
we start seeing democrats picked up here this is why they have the believability their
believability rate is in the toilet um they spent the better part of three or four months
cheerleading, the Biden administration, going down to Maralago and rummaging through Melania
Trump's dressers? Yep. They spent the better part of 2021 and 2022 cheerleading, morning, noon,
and night, this absurd case that Leticia James brought to the president and dumped on his lap.
it's funny that it's interesting that the bolt the bolton announcement came right on the heels
of the $536 million settlement in New York in New York's sake being wiped off the books for the
president he's enjoying well I don't want I'll stop short to suggest that he's enjoying wins in
these areas however he's been he's been vindicated sure now the press is going to have a choice
okay if the investigation shows clear and present evidence that people within the
Biden administration Obama administration and perhaps even people who were in Trump 1.0 were
engaging in treasonous activities are they going to cover this thing fairly or you know they
would they would have to at some point admit their own complicit in this whole deal
because they certainly played along.
It was interesting.
When Obama comes,
descends on to Washington in 2008,
no one really knows him, right?
The Washington press court has to befriend them,
to befriend the Obama sort of entourage.
And he has enjoyed sweetheart coverage ever since.
For sure.
And he has been sort of the narrative of President Obama
is that he can do no wrong.
He's been deified.
He's been deified, and the question really becomes, I think he probably enjoys immunity on these decisions when he was in office.
But if he wasn't involved in President Trump's persecution after his term was over, it came on.
And they're going to defend him, and they're going to try to position paint Trump as the authoritarian and the fascist and fascist and only out for retribution.
But this is what the country, I think, voted President Trump 2.0 to do, right?
Give us truth on COVID.
You mentioned COVID early?
Yeah.
Give us truth on the election of 2020.
Give us truth on Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia.
Russia has now become puppet, puppet, puppet, puppet.
That's the refrain that he's just a puppet of Putin.
The guy's trying to end a war where, I think, six, or I don't know,
whatever the number is. I think it's very difficult to get a hard number, but three million people
have died? Do you think the media would rather more people die in Ukraine than President Trump
bring up peace? Wow. I think some. Yeah. I think some. They don't want a victory for Trump.
They don't want a victory for Trump. They don't want safe cities. They don't want clean streets.
They don't want secure borders because those were things that he ran on and promised he would do
and he's doing them.
They don't want the Democrat apparatus
to be embarrassed anymore that they already are.
They're trying to help the Democrat Party
trying to get their sea legs back
to find something they can run on
in 20, 26 and beyond.
Good luck throwing your hat in with Gavin Newsom.
I mean, as a conservative,
I welcome his entry into the race.
Who's the media's candidate right now?
Well, right now it's Gavin
because he can do some things on social media.
that the other guys can't um if i're running the democrat party not that they're asking my advice
i'm looking for a red state governor um that's kind of what they do when they really are in trouble
right jimmy carter bill clinton red state governors are people that never really heard of
that could sort of pierce through their liberalism and reach the center a little bit more but they are
so militant now it's so anti-trump in this era um that i think they're probably going to
gravitate to the person who bangs their pots and pans aloud us and the best on social that's
probably going to be governor newsome yeah well they're trying but man i'll tell you what i i i know that
they keep trying but as i point out i do think that they're losing i'm encouraged by it i think
they're losing power you know even like this msnbc rebrand thing yeah it's like so it's just it's just
kind of sad to watch them whimper away to their death you couldn't get more boring yeah the MS now and
just the blue motif and it's the same thing as cracker barrel you couldn't get more boring
Yes.
The rebrand of that, which is boring and dull.
It's, this is why like a, like the kid in New York is having success, right?
Yes.
He's not doing any of that, right?
He's doing scavenger hunts with his activists, you know, in the middle of Manhattan.
That's right.
You know, if you're young and you're just, if you're young, so, I mean, New York's a little bit of a different story because there's, there's so much, there's so much childless stuff going on there.
There's just, you're, you're young professionals that don't have children to care about.
right and and so some of those other public policy issues that we usually you know sort of
surface up to the top don't surface to the top it's all about me me me um but he's doing
different things he's not using the liberal media right to they'll echo him but he's not
going to liberal media to for permission right he's going about he's going past and through them
because he knows just like we do right that their credibility is in the toilet so why why get
in bed with those guys so he's doing some different things and it's attractive to some young
people in New York City but I think at the presidential level I think Newsom has a leg up for sure
because he's good on social and and it gives people gives the media something to talk about
yes and they think that he kind of like what's more doesn't give people anything anything to
talk about it's kind of you know all due respect he's just kind of like like wallboards
right and also the legacy media's view on this is like that Gavin Newsom fits a formulaic
of archetypical he's he's a good looking guy he's kind of doing what Trump did and what
Trump did was successful so therefore what Gavin Newsom is going to do is successful it's very
a low IQ assessment yeah but it's very typical for the media he acquitted himself pretty well
in the debate he had with DeSantis you know being fair about it I mean DeSantis had the had the numbers
and had the policy but Newsom made a better presentation than DeSantis did when those two did that
did that one-off debate yeah because just because Newsom is willing to
casually lie to suggest that he's more moderate than he actually is.
And the press won't call him out at all, at all.
So that'll be the baked-in advantage that he has.
A lot of people say, well, you have to go at him on the policy, on his policies.
Like, I don't know how that's going to work because the press isn't going to back you up at all.
No, which is why they're –
Which is why we just have to keep rooting on their demise.
And when we write the obituary, the media research centers where we're going to find all the content.
Thanks, brother.
I appreciate it.
It's great to see you today, brothers.
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