The Dan Bongino Show - Thomas Speciale: The Man Behind John Brennan's Meltdown | Episode 167

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

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vince for a free month of service that's patriot mobile dot com slash vince or call All 972 Patriot, make that switch today. Well, the walls are definitely closing in on the former CIA director, John Brennan. As you know, as this audience very well knows, we've seen massive numbers of indictments dropped on a bunch of high-profile officials to include James Comey, Letitia James, John Bolton, and so many others. And John Brennan appears to be the latest who has been. being looked at by the Justice Department for legitimate violations of the law. He was just referred

by the Congress for criminal prosecution because of his lies to Congress, in particular about his involvement in pushing the steel dossier into the intelligence community assessment back in 2017. You know, that was the Hillary Clinton opposition research pack designed to destroy Donald Trump and debilitate his incoming administration. Yeah, Brendan was at the epicenter of all of it. But for years now, people have thought of John Brennan is untouchable. He's a former CIA director. He knows all the secrets. Nobody could possibly go after him. But now they are. And in fact, this past week, we just learned that the United States Department of Justice has been sending out grand jury subpoenas related to John Brennan. It's a flurry of subpoenas

going out the door. The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Jason Redding-Kinionnese, has been supervising all of this, according to a Fox News report. And the left, well, they're angry about it. They're really upset about it. But it couldn't happen to a better guy. He definitely deserves it. In fact, recently, John Brennan was speaking at an event for George Mason University. He was on a panel, the intel community thing.

And while he was there, he was questioned about what exactly he did while he was in office. Take a look. Here's John Brennan being questioned by an intelligence community veteran who really wants some answers on why John Brennan abused his power. Look at this. I would like to hear what your justification was for supporting the dossier that was known to be false, being used as source material in the second ICA. I don't know who put you up to this. Nobody put me up to this or I'm here on my own. what role you played or who you are, but there's a bunch of bullshit that you just passed on. I, absolutely.

The emails are clear, sir. Bullshit. The emails are clear. The second question. No, I think we're going to go. Next. Next. You can.

Next. Next. Next. Look, we can talk about it. Talk about it in the reception. No, we didn't say that. No, we didn't. No, we did.

No, we did not. We said it was likely Russian disinformation. No. That you did. An amazing moment. The man responsible for it joins us now. Thomas Speciali is here. He is a national security consultant,

and he has since the 80s served in the military and the intelligence community. He's a subject matter expert on intel terrorism, the Middle East, and he recently served as a senior advisor on counterintelligence and security issues for Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence.

You can find his website, thomaspeciali.com. Thomas, great to have you with us in the program today. Thank you, sir. Thanks. Thanks for having me. Man, I've watched that moment like a dozen times now, and every time I do, I'm amazed by, and not that shock, but really fascinated by the fact that John Brennan loses his mind in that moment.

Why was he so furious at you for posing that question? Well, I think he believed that that was a completely friendly audience, and it was just happenstance. I literally just attended as an attendee. They gave us the opportunity to ask questions. I had intended to try and get him on a sidebar and ask a couple of questions regarding the, regarding the use of the dossier and the ICA, and then also with regard to him being a signatory on the 51 intelligence officer's memo, I had intended for that to be a sidebar conversation, but when they asked if we were when they said they were going to take questions I was concerned that he wasn't going to be at the reception afterward so I figured I

would just I would just ask it ask him then and yeah it was it was not it was not his reaction I don't think it's just indicative of the fact that he knows that the the emails that have been released by the DNI email communication between Clapper Brennan, Comey, and Admiral Rogers are very, very telling about the inappropriate use and the inappropriate influence, I think, that they deliberately tried to have on the ICA, the intelligence community assessment regarding Russian involvement in the influencing the 2020 election or the 2016 election. He knew that he was basically cornered with that question and he couldn't answer that question. and he just, you know, he just lost his mind. I want to get in a moment to your confrontation in that sidebar. You did have another opportunity to speak to him.

But I want to focus on this for a moment. What do you think those emails reveal about John Brennan specifically? What did you learn when you read them? Well, it's not a, it's not really a matter of what they reveal. It's what they demonstrate. It's what, these are like a level of a receipt of a factual event. that is, I don't think I've ever seen anything like this in American history, where we have the personal communications between the four senior intelligence leaders for the NSA, the CIA,

the FBI, and the DNI, all essentially admitting to writing intelligence at the highest level that was deliberately meant to influence or impact the incoming president's presidency? Because that's really, you know, one of the things that I try and make clear to people is that this wasn't about Trump. This was actually about an influence operation, or in the intelligence community, we'd call it an offensive counterintelligence operation, that they perpetrated against the American people. So they did this to everyone, Democrats and Republicans, they did this to everyone to essentially provide an intelligence community assessment that said, in fact, Putin favored Trump and that Putin had ordered this, this influence operation to help Trump get elected. Well, that was not demonstrated in any of the intelligence reporting. And they basically fabricated it from whole cloth. Then they put it in the intelligence community assessment, which was then given to Congress, which they knew then would leak to the public.

And then they also leaked it to the media themselves through the FBI leaks to, again, leak out to the American people that Trump was supposedly working, you know, that the Putin, that Russians were actually supporting him, which was totally not the case. Totally not. So it seems it seems like if there's an intent built into this, it strikes me that there's probably two things that jumped in mind immediately. One is to manufacture an excuse for Hillary's loss in the election to basically say that it was a rig deal that she should have never lost the election. It was Putin that violated it because he loved Donald Trump. And then two, it's also to try and lock in our foreign policy posture towards Russia to make it seemed like to basically back Donald Trump into a corner, they're like, oh, you're close to Russia. You're going to do whatever they want to try and sort of browbeat him into submission

in order to adopt the status quo posture towards Russia in Washington. And of course, we saw the real impact on the Trump administration as he came in. It debilitated their ability to even execute the will of the American people because he was constantly bogged down by phony investigations that all emanated from this corrupt seed. Yeah. Well, and I think also it played a huge part in the in his second election in the 2020 election because all of that was still out there and the Biden administration, you know, they had never been able to get this information out. So ultimately it was, that's why I make very clear that this was not about Trump personally. This was about an influence operation against the American people to, to, to damage his presidency,

make him ineffective as a president, ultimately because they just hated him. And then at the same time, to influence the American people into voting against him or not supporting him. And we saw that in the midterms. We saw that in the 2018 midterms. And then ultimately, we saw that in the 2020 election. They did this as a election rigging, you know, intelligence operation to damage Donald Trump's presidency and ultimately his future presidency. When you rig an election, I just want to basically ask you a normative question here, shouldn't you be prosecuted and in jail if you try to rig an American election? Yeah, I think that, you know, there's a lot of things that are thrown around about treason. And, you know, the problem with the treason charge is it's a really, really high bar and it really has to be to the benefit of a foreign country.

I think that you probably, the closest thing you're going to come to that is a seditious conspiracy. and at the very least, they should be investigated and investigated under sort of the auspice of a seditious conspiracy. Whether or not they're ever charged or not, I don't know. You know, I'm not a lawyer, but I do think that, you know, it has all the earmarks of a seditious conspiracy. Well, let me just, I mean, let me ask a basic question about what it's like to be an Intel officer. Like, at any point in your career, do you get warnings against this type of abuse of the American people like clearly into people who get security clearances and are involved in national security

like as a predicate to getting your clearance you are told like hey if you if you do this you're in violation of the law if you abuse the power that you're being given like you're breaking loss by doing that yeah it's it's it's for i got to ask the question the other day on as to like had i ever seen anything or heard anything like this ever happening before or aren't we trained not to do this? And the reality is, is it's day one training. It's day one training. It's day one oath where you say you're going to support and defend the Constitution.

You know, we don't swear oaths to parties. We don't swear oaths to presidents. We swear oath to a constitution. And that means everyone, every single one of us. And it's what makes our country ultimately different, I think, than every other country in the world is that our highest, the highest thing we swear an oath to is our Constitution in our country. And I believe that these people, at the very least, were at the very least, were in direct and blatant and deliberate violation of their oaths to protect the Constitution because ultimately they didn't do what they were entrusted to do, which is to protect us. from misinformation, disinformation, and said what they did was is they perpetrated an intelligence operation on the behalf of Hillary Clinton. I mean, that's really what this was. This was an

intelligence operation on behalf of Hillary Clinton, and it started with the steel dossier. Yes, and it continued way too long. Do you think John Brennan ever anticipated being caught? Do you think he ever anticipated these emails coming out and revealing what he was doing and the extent to which he knew that this was a fraudulent intel operation? No, Vince, and I'll tell you, it's worse than that. They perpetrated the Crossfire Hurricane investigation against Trump. They leaked that information. They knew it was all predicated on the steel dossier.

They did that to try and prevent him from becoming the president in 2016. And they failed in that mission. And so I would argue that I would argue that not only, did they not think that these emails would ever become revealed? They assumed that Hillary Clinton was going to win. And that's in every one of their books. That's in every single one. I've read all of their books.

And every single one of them says they never thought Hillary Clinton was going to lose. Well, that's the reason they did Crossfire Hurricane because they never thought anybody would ever find out about it. And then when Donald Trump did win and he had Michael Flynn in there who already had a bone to pick with the CIA, he would have discovered Crossfire. hurricane probably very quickly and once he had discovered crossfire hurricane their whole house of cards would have fallen and we would have had prosecutions probably in 2017 which is why they took Michael Flynn out first correct had to get him out of there as quick as possible before he found

everything else out yeah so so I mean it really is like the more you stare at the more you realize that like as we talk about possible grand conspiracy charges that's what we're looking at I mean James Comey and John Brennan are now by virtue of the email is identified as the people who were ramming the steel dossier into the intelligence community assessment. And then James Comey is the one who calls in the hit on General Flynn. He's the one who sends FBI agents over to the White House under false pretenses, pretending that they're there for a collegial meeting of some kind. Instead, they turned him into a mark and they were saying, we're going after this guy. And they took him out, and then he would later brag about this.

I'll give you another one that people haven't even really caught on to yet, because if you're not in the intelligence community, you probably wouldn't recognize. this and only somebody that's worked counterintelligence would realize this. When Comey gives the private counterintelligence defensive briefing to Trump, he mentions the dossier to Trump. And Trump outright says, it's a lie. It's a lie. Now, Comey knew at that time that it was a lie. He knew that there was no Russian collusion. So when he when he essentially intimated, to the incoming president that the Russians had compromise on him, I believe he was trying to hoover him. I think he was trying to intimidate him to try and say, hey, we're the FBI. We have

secret stuff about you. And you better, you better tow the line. And Trump doesn't tow the line for anyone. So they tried to do it in the office. Comey directly to Trump. Yeah. And that meeting, that was January 2017 when they meet in Trump Tower. Remember, at that time top Obama officials to include James Clapper were communicating that CNN wanted to publish the story about the steel dossier, but they needed a hook to do it. They didn't have a hook. And that briefing that you just referred to became CNN's hook. They were able to report this. Basically, it's what Nancy Pelosi refers to as the wrap-up smear, which is like, we just take this thing, this event where Comey says, hey, there's this thing.

about Russian hookers and P-tapes and all this stuff and tells Trump about it, that served as the thinnest possible pretext for CNN to say, well, that happened, meaning the conversation between Comey and Trump, and then to lead people into believing that there was a broader conspiracy that Donald Trump was a part of. Right. But again, the fact that Comey knew that it was not true and used it anyway is evidence of a conspiracy, because he was trying to, I believe, intimidate the incoming president.

So what ends up happening, of course, is President Trump comes into office. He's got this storm cloud that is created by John Brennan, James Comey, Hillary Clinton, Mark Elias, all of these guys over the top of them. And eventually, we're barreling towards the 2020 election. And he's dealt with impeachments. He's dealt with the Mueller investigation. He's dealt with all of it designed to stagger his first presidency. And as we're approaching the 2020 election, the Hunter Biden laptop story comes out.

Correct. And that includes a bunch of real information about an actual presidential candidate who is actually compromised by foreign governments, who's actually taking immense amount of money from them. And John Brennan once again pops up in an effort to rig that election. And I want people to see now, this is you confronting John Brennan. This was at the kind of the after party, the soiree, after this panel event that you attended. And you're standing in front of John Brennan.

And Brennan plants his finger in your chest, furious that you've noticed these details as well. Take a look. And you misrepresented that. We never said it was disinformation. It was Russian influence operations, which is what they do. There's a big difference between influence. No, you don't know that. You don't know.

No, we knew. The literature is part of all Mars to call. Okay. And for those of you listening, just to give you an image here, they're just standing in a little room with some drinks. Thomas is a drink in his hand. Looks like a Stella. And he's a, and then Brennan goes up to his chest. It's all they had. I know. I've been to these parties. Like, I guess I'll take the Stella. And Brennan walks up right to your chest and it plants his finger right into your chest and it starts yelling at you about the Hunter Biden laptop scandal. So I can gather from the context clues that you're talking about the 51 intelligence official letter that John Brennan was a signatory on where they were very heavily implying that this was a Russian disinformation operation, that the 100 Biden laptop thing was not real, that the Russians had invented all of this, and they got that story planted in Politico, and they were off to the races. Tell me about that exchange and, again, that underlying story and what you think of it.

I think that it's important to understand that the origin of the memo is, again, with the Democrat Party. The Morel email, Morrell sends the memo to Brennan to get it signed up, to ask for his signature. And I'm sure all of these people that signed it and probably many more got that invitation to sign that email probably from the Democrat Party. And so that shows the political angle automatically, right? These guys are professional intelligence officers. They knew what they were saying, and they also knew that the language they were using was not only going to insinuate to the American people

that it was Russian disinformation operation. It was, for all intents and purposes, they knew they were relying on sort of the ignorance of the American people to just take it at face value, that 51 intelligence officers have looked at this. And it's, definitely Russian disinformation. So can I again? Can I add one detail that I want to make sure people know about where this emanated from? You are right, of course, that it was a former deputy

director of the CIA, Mike Morel, who coordinated all of this. And John Brennan was a signatory on it. But the man who started this initiative was Tony Blinken. Tony Blinken would become the Secretary of State for Joe Biden. And during the 2020 campaign, they desperately needed a talking point to get out of the Hunter Biden laptop saga. And so Tony Blinken goes to Morel, and they created this fake explanation for why the Hunter Biden laptop existed at all. And that got the social media companies and the big media companies to suppress the entire story, thus impacting the 2020 election.

Well, and not just that. The FBI went directly to Twitter and Facebook and asked them to suppress things that look like Russian disinformation. Well, and then you get the. the memo that comes out, that supports it. And so now what you have is, is you have essentially the FBI and the CIA in collusion to essentially silence free speech regarding this Hunter Biden laptop. You know, and the reality is, like, for me, the Hunter Biden laptop does not affect, I mean,

it does, but I mean, it's not, it's his son, right? Like it's, you leave it up to the voter to decide whether or not the information on the laptop should influence their decision to vote for Biden or not. You leave it up to the American voter, but you don't suppress it in order to help a candidate, which if you read the memo, that's exactly what it says. It says, we need essentially to give Biden a talking point and we think that the Russians are going to use this against the American people. Well, if, why can't the American people just use it against Biden? Biden if they know what's in it. You know what I mean? Okay. Okay. Let me, I want to spend some more time on this and talk to you about the grand conspiracy here because each of the pieces you're describing, they all feel like they're

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But Thomas, one of the many advantages that you had in this conversation is you actually knew the facts. And you confront John Brennan about that 51. one intelligence community official letter. And in so doing, what you're really doing is you're pointing to one of the many attempts to cover up the left's election rigging along the way. I know you said you're not a lawyer, but man, I'm telling you what, this does feel like another overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy. Yeah, it is.

Absolutely. There's, there's, there's, there's, there can be no question that the intent of the memo was to influence voters in a way that was essentially amplifying it was a complete it was a complete fabrication because they knew when they signed it that the hunter biden laptop was legitimate so in order to delegitimize it they had to put russia on it um you know one of the things and nobody has nobody's ever asked this question and i think it's a very interesting question uh hunter biden apparently took in multiple hard drives laptops into this this uh computer store and they all apparently had water um damage

how in the hell do five laptops or however many laptops it was all get water damage at the same time i think somebody probably threw them in a tub or somebody threw them in a pool that's probably what i think had happened to those laptops before they were ever in the hands of the the tech to recover the data. Nobody's ever talked about how they got damaged. And it seems to me that somebody did that deliberately, and we still don't know how they got damaged in the first place, how they ended up then in the hands of the tech.

And then ultimately we know Hunter Biden didn't go back and pick them up. And the guy had recovered the data and then saw that there was criminal activity on it and turned it over to law enforcement. You know, this is all just a, it's a nightmare for Biden. And they had to come up with. the story to to to to cover it up yes for sure for sure and by the way there's still a lot of unanswered questions about the the chain of custody with that laptop and the attempts to get a hold of it there were there were reports of the secret service attempting to be involved

in retrieving the laptop which made no sense given that hunter Biden didn't have secret service protection you don't get secret service protection as the son of a former vice president that's not how it works. And the FBI clearly had custody of the laptop, as you point out. They knew that it was authentic. They knew that it was real. They lied anyway. They had an FBI agent called Elvis Chan, who was browbeating the big tech companies into hiding all of this and saying it was fake. So, I mean, look, I'm looking at that Brennan denial, the one that he gave you on that stage. And in person, when he shoved his finger into your chest, which by the way you showed remarkable restraint like with a guy shoving his finger into your chest

i knew i had him over a barrel as soon as he got all emotional about it i i knew i had him i i see all of that as yet another overt act in the furtherance of a conspiracy and by the way under the law uh it is if you verbally deny if you give a verbal denial like in public like he just did prosecutors can consider that as well as a as a piece of evidence against you and and brennan keeps doing it but man he's angry what did i mean you we i've talked to you before a little bit about some of this and you've had experience interrogating people and just simply asking them questions when you see that kind of behavior when you all you did was ask a very sober question what does it tell you uh it would tell me that i would just say that i'm over the target for sure

um and i think that his body language actually with the first question is even more revealed feeling because he's shifting multiple times, reaching for water unnecessarily, he's rubbing his fate. Actually, as soon as I started speaking, he starts rubbing his nose and rubbing his mouth. And that's an indication of somebody who is planning their lie. They're thinking about their lie. And so he had every indication that he was at the very least uncomfortable And in that first interaction, he was trying to figure out how he was going to get out of it and what lie he could say or what could he say to get out from under that question. And I would add that this was, again, not planned. I had not planned to ask these questions publicly.

And actually, the second video was just, I didn't even know somebody was videoing it and they were videoing it and gave me the video afterwards. and it was just an accident that it was recorded. And so, it's just a crazy, yeah, crazy situation. It's great that it was. How do you feel about this? I mean, in terms of obviously, you felt it was important to ask them these questions. How do you feel about the reaction to this? Are you glad that these moments were captured on video?

Yeah, I would say I'm glad about it. But only because I think the American people need to have, a restoration in their faith in our government. And the only way we're going to get a restoration of faith is if we have an accountability for people who violated their oath and broke the law to help a particular political candidate. That just simply cannot be tolerated. And what we have to be careful of, and I believe that the Trump administration is doing, is we have to be careful that it is not a retribution or revenge, it has to be a restoration. And the only way you can get restoration is with proper accountability. Yeah, justice. Okay, so you were just working for

Tulsi Gabbard. What was that like? And how serious is she about exposing these abuses and bringing accountability? I don't think you can find anybody more serious than Tulsi Gabbard about getting to the truth. I think she's a perfect pick to essentially follow the facts. She doesn't, you know, it's to her benefit probably that she is not from a career intelligence field because she won't, her natural inclination won't be to support or defend one line of analysis or another she will just be looking at the facts and i think that that is um you know i worked very closely with the director's initiative group which is the dig that that actually released all this

information and you know she's got a great group of people weren't doing this uh patriots every one of them um and also uh also just as devoted to the truth yeah as as tulsi is so i mean what you're describing is she's not an abusive institutionalist there are people within the government sometimes who try to protect the institution at the expense of the american people that's not tulsie gabbert also at the same time she's been a victim of this she was being tracked by the federal government as they were treating her like a terrorist in the quiet skies program and having air marshals follow her around the country a sitting congresswoman a veteran of our military she knows what it feels like to be on the receiving end of this type of abuse, and now she's been unleashed on that very same

intel community. It's kind of fascinating to watch. Well, and I think that's one of the reasons that I was also given the opportunity to go into the administration as well, because it's on my website. You can find all the evidence where the FBI investigated me for over two and a half years. I think that they thought I was, you know, the mastermind of J6, but they investigated me for over two and a half years. I believe they did serptitious entry into my home. I think that they did remote access on my computer. I think that I know I was under physical surveillance because I'm trained to detect physical surveillance and I detected it. I have personally seen my EGuardian file, which is the, I haven't seen the contents of it, but I have seen the actual file portal,

and it has over 89 documents in it of the FBI collecting intelligence on me for over two and a half years. So, you know, and I've mentioned it before, you know, this Arctic Frost thing with, you know, getting the subpoenas and getting all this information and getting all the phone call traffic from these Congresspeople. What the American people need to understand is there were thousands of Americans that were supporters of President Trump. And I would argue that Colsey is not the only one put on quiet skies. You know, it's just a fact. that the FBI got way out over their skis with the Department of Justice in the Biden administration looking for, in their mind, domestic extremists, but really, or that's what they said,

but really what they were trying to do was to try and hurt the return of Trump, is they wanted to stop anybody who was supporting Trump. And they tried to do that through intimidation. That's what all the public raids, the FBI raids were about. That was all about intimidating the American people into silence. And this is what you get if you support Trump. that's what all of that was about and that's why i say tulsi is a perfect pick because she has a lot of people around her that were also involved in that in those abuses and yes we're ultimately we will get justice and it's going to you know it's because of people like tulsi yeah can i ask how did you figure out that the fbi or the government in some capacity likely entered your home surreptitiously

why did you conclude that what happened well there are ways to there are ways to uh there are ways to know that if you're trained properly you know how to you know how to and again it's just a suspicion because they're very good at surreptitious entry so they can enter your home without you knowing about it um but there were some indicators in my home that someone had been in my home in particular and tampered with my computer and things like that but the thing about it is is I didn't care so much I knew I was being investigated so I didn't really care that they were doing it other than my own government is weaponized against me and it kind of broke my heart a little bit that you know somebody with a pop secret sensitive compartmentalized information clearance

and my own government would be investigating me um but i knew i had nothing to hide so i wasn't i wasn't worried about it so it it did break my heart that they would do that and and the crazy thing is, Vince, no one ever even asked me a question. Nobody, I was never even questioned, even though I knew I was under investigation. They didn't approach you like you, they didn't approach you like you were an American citizen, an army veteran, an intel community veteran, treat you with any the level of respect. They just surreptitiously spied upon you and then apparently broke into your house potentially in an effort to continue to spy on you. So one question that is like screaming right now in my mind is like, is you were working in the director of

National Intelligence Office, you had access to the nation's intelligence on this subject, would it be an abuse of your power to look at your own file? Like, I do wonder, yeah, it would. Yeah, it would be. Yeah, it would. When I saw my file, it wasn't because I was involved in looking into the weaponization of the federal government, right? So just being aware, seeing it, seeing that the file exists is not a, is not an issue. because there was nothing classified about that. And but, but, and, and, and that was in the, in the, in the, in the process of doing, uh, work with the, with the director of national intelligence on revealing these, these, uh,

these violations. Um, but it would be if like I had access to, you know, signals information or whatever and I was looking at, uh, my wife or a girlfriend or somebody else's girlfriend or whatever. those are those are those are those are egregious violations and unfortunately what we have is is that's really what the fbi i did is they violated every regulation they they did this without any predication of any crime yeah this is what they did to like carter page and stuff like yeah like like spying on american citizens by the way another veteran uh naval academy graduate um they uh they spy on american citizens without any predication violating their civil liberties like crazy this i just wondered like would you be able to look at your own file,

given that it's you. It's not like somebody else. You're not staring at some other American. You're just staring at your own stuff. Right. I have FOIA, thank you for reminding me, because hopefully, you know, Dan will watch this.

But I have foiled both the FBI and I have foiled the Department of Justice for my complete file. And I've worked closely with some retired special agents in domestic extremism at the FBI to craft the correct FOIA, and I have asked for my entire file that both the Department of Justice has and also the FBI has. And to this day, they basically ignored my request, and so I'll likely I'll have to sue them unless Dan goes over to the FOIA office and says, why doesn't Tom have this after waiting

for it for like four years? We'll see what happens. I mean, look, you shouldn't have to die for the FBI to release your file if you want it. You know, it's like, you know, like when Frank Sinatra kicked it, we finally got to see the FBI file. It's like, this is like, we're not to wait for that. We're not to wait. Thomas needs it now. Let's give it to him. The reason, yeah, the reason they don't want to, the reason they don't want to give me my file is is because it'll be a civil rights violation. The whole case is a civil rights violation because there was never any predicate of a crime in the beginning. Yeah.

And so there was never any justification to, to, to, to, to, to, initiate the investigation. Yes. Other than the fact that I was a supporter of President Trump. And that was it. Well, if there's, if there's any two people who are interested in exposing those civil rights violations, it would be Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Hey, that's right. Thomas Speciali, thank you for your service to your country. Thank you for getting in John Brennan's face.

Thank you for explaining all of this to us. We're living through a really important moment and it is very helpful to have wise people like you to help us navigate through it. Thank you, Thomas. hey thank you Vince appreciate it god bless you talk to you today all right that's thomas speciali and thanks as always for everybody for joining us here on this special edition of vince i'm back with you live tomorrow please tune in as always you can always check out the big national radio show as well the vins show dot com for your local listings can't

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