The Dan Bongino Show - Trump And Bongino Open Fire On Biden Corruption | Episode 58

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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Welcome to Vince. Great to have you with us. It's a Thursday. Nice to have you on the show. If you're watching live, that's at rumble.com slash Vince, or you're listening on the podcast. Always appreciate you in this great country. Man, we've got a lot of news to get to today.

Did you see that the president of the United States has announced a full blown presidentially authorized investigation into the last guy, President Auto Pen, who was actually running the country when that guy was clearly not signing those documents. The President of the United States now getting involved in this. I've got updates on that. We also have Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch.

Tom taking a break from the gym to stop by. I'm just kidding. I love Tom. To stop by and chat with us on the program, give us an update on what exactly is going on as we dig into the abuses of the last administration. Also, did you see FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino just did a big interview with Sean Hannity, which even before I get to the content of that, let me just say, it made me feel

so much better about whatever technical errors we have from time to time here on this program because I was watching last night as Hannity was interviewing Bongino and the two of them were talking and Dan couldn't hear Sean. Sean's asking questions, Dan couldn't even hear them. He's staring into the camera. There's a huge audio problem. Sean Hannity has to go to break

and I'm laughing to myself thinking, well, look, if a multi-billion dollar corporation can screw this up, we can make a few mistakes from time to time. I think that counts. I think that qualifies. So Justin, we're in the clear. I think we're all right.

If Fox is screwing that up. Ahead, I've got all the big takeaways from the Dan Bongino, Sean Hannity conversation, of course, the investigation into President AutoPen, and so much more on a Thursday. Good to have you with us today. Hey, I gotta thank the sponsors of this program that keep this program going.

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I'm getting some breadcrumbs from this guy, and some really big ones. In fact, actually, let me just, I know there's so much that you and I are looking backward at, things that we need investigated and then subsequently prosecuted, absolutely. But right now, in terms of the present threats

to the country, just imagine being the FBI deputy director or the FBI director. I saw somebody on social media, all these people on social media attacking Cash and Dan. That's fine, you're allowed to do it, it's a free country. But somebody said like, oh, anybody, anybody would kill to have that job. Anybody would kill to have that job?

I don't think so. Especially after you hear Dan describe the threat environment that you would be tasked with confronting to prevent Americans from being killed. Take a look here, Dan summarizing and really focusing in on what he says is an acute, unacute, his word, drone threat to the United States of America.

Here's Mr. Bongino. And I know you all to be honorable people. My sources have repeatedly told me that they can barely sleep at night that if the average American knew how bad it was, they would be shocked to their inner core. Is that true? The threat picture now for the United States is dramatic, and I really appreciate we have a president, an attorney general, an FBI director who take those threats seriously. I mean, you name it, Sean. You ask me what's the biggest threat right now. People say, well, what keeps you up at night?

Well, the answer is that I'd never sleep if I thought about this stuff all the time. But it all keeps me up at night. The drone threat. This is a perilous, acute threat. It's not here tomorrow. It's here today. Everybody saw what happened in Russia. It's only a matter of time.

If we don't take action, which I promise you, the attorney general and the director and I are taking action on this threat. It is here right now. You've got the threat of AI alignment there. You've got the threat of China infiltration into our systems. It's been publicly reported. You've seen it. When you get the president's daily brief every morning like the director and I do for this half an hour block, we get us the first thing we do.

You know, Sean, you walk out of there and you're like, somebody go get me a cup of coffee. I mean, this is really, I need, a coffee relaxes me a little bit, because you go out of there, your blood pressure's through the roof. It's so many different things to action. And one last thing, when you combine that with the director and I, our priority, which is reform, without reform, we're not going to have anything, because the American people won't trust us. They will not trust us.

And after what happened, I don't blame them for that mistrust. You combine that and layer it on. We got a big job, but the director and I are glad we're doing it. That's a big deal. That's a very big deal. The threat environment that he's describing

as he goes down that list, did you notice what he started with? Drones. he started with? Drones. He started with drones because they genuinely within the FBI must be seeing that the drone threat is present and it, as he points out, acute, very acute.

It's a huge problem in terms of how to stop these types of attacks. For those of us who followed Dan's public commentary prior to joining the FBI, and this is something I was reflecting on as well, do you remember what happened ahead of Trump's inauguration? You remember the drone threat that existed ahead of Trump's inauguration?

There was a big change that was made by the leading commercial drone manufacturer in the world called DJI. DJI, DJI is a Chinese drone company and it is the number one seller of drones all around the planet, including right here in the United States. People buy drones for their own use, their hobbyist use.

Many of them are of course made by DJI. And it comes with sophisticated software that you can use to fly it. Now it used to be up until just before President Trump's inauguration that DJI drones were forbidden by the software from flying into no-fly zones. So for instance in and around the United States Capitol it is forbidden, it is against the law to fly drones in that region of the country. You're not allowed to do it.

It's considered enough of a safety threat that drones are not permitted to be flown in that area. So it's a no-fly zone. And so previously DJI on the app would block it off completely. But just ahead of the inauguration, you know what they did. You know what they did. They, they shut off that prevention. They made it so that people could fly drones anywhere they wanted. Now, the software was changed. The Chinese owned company DJI, the

CCP controlled company, DJI, decided to get rid of those protections. And instead, now it just gives you a warning that you're flying in a no-fly zone. But if you're a bad guy, what does it matter if a warning pops up on your screen? If you have something nefarious in mind, the warning is not gonna stop you. So there is a pressing drone threat in the United States of America. You talk to anybody who's involved in national security and they say this is a big deal because this changes the dimensions

of the threat environment. That adds that extra third dimension coming from the air, coming over the top of various security and barricades. And we can see in vivid detail, unfortunately, and I wouldn't go searching it out, but if you've seen social media at all, you've probably seen some of these videos. You can see what those drones look like on the battlefield.

I'm not talking about those big American drones that fly over a Middle Eastern target and drop some sort of bomb down. That's one thing. I'm talking about these little drones with a couple of props on them that carry explosives and that are being used to attack soldiers on the battlefield in Ukraine and Russia.

I'm talking about the Ukrainian drone attack. They just brought in fleets of semi-trucks into Russia, a Trojan horse-style attack, parked the trucks on the side of the road, opened them up, and then had a fleet of drones leave the vehicles and then attack these aircraft in Russia, which, by the way, the president of the road, opened them up, and then had a fleet of drones leave the vehicles and then attack these aircraft in Russia. Which by the way, the President of the United States just had a conversation with Vladimir Putin yesterday, and Putin promised retaliation for that attack inside of his borders.

So that war is not really showing any meaningful signs of slowing down while we're on that subject. But the use of drones to kill people and strike targets, well, that's happening all around the planet. And here in the United States, you just heard from the deputy director of the FBI telling you he is deeply concerned about that threat. And so in one sense, I got a message this morning

from a relative who said to me, man, I'm really happy to hear Dan talking about the drone threat. I'm glad they're taking that seriously. And me too, me too. I'm very happy that they're taking it seriously. And Dan's taken it seriously for a while. But conversely, it's worrisome to hear them talk about this.

When Dan says this and says, look, this is the big, acute thing that's constantly hanging over us, literally and figuratively in the drone space. When he says that, I'm like, oh my God, that must mean that this is actually really over the top, the threat environment that they've gotta face. So I appreciate it, I prefer transparency.

I don't wanna be kept in the dark on this. I appreciate the transparency on that. Is Dan's laying out the priorities? Here's what we're dealing with right now. It's a big job. In addition to the fact that the FBI's being used to deport lots of people right now. A lot of illegal aliens being thrown out

by people wearing FBI jackets right now. So this is not a do nothing FBI. This is a do a lot FBI right now. Also, Dan mentioned last night, there was a, right after that terror attack at the beginning of the week in Boulder, Colorado, where you had that lunatic illegal alien Set a bunch of you know

Jewish people they said Jewish people pro-israeli people people really just who wanted the Israeli hostages released by Hamas who doesn't want that except for the terrorists They get set on fire by this lunatic terrorist. And so Cash and Dan leading the FBI, right away they said, this is a terrorism investigation, obviously. It's got all the markings of a terror investigation. The way that this attack was conducted is terrorism. The things that he was screaming amount to terrorism.

This is terrorism, you know? So that's very straightforward. And meanwhile, the police chief in Boulder, Colorado, we heard him at the beginning of the week saying, well, we're withholding judgment just yet. We're not ready to call this terrorism. When are you going to be ready? How much more evidence do you possibly need? And so Dan kind of addressed this yesterday.

He's like, look, we're not playing word games. We're just going to tell it like it is from the moment we find out what happens. Here he is, cut three, Dan talking playing word games. We're just going to tell it like it is from the moment we find out what happens. Here he is, cut three, Dan, talking about word games. Investigating terror attacks that do happen. And I'm going to add another thing, Sean. We're not the Federal Bureau of freaking word games anymore, okay? It's the Federal Bureau of Investigation. When some guy shows up at a scene and I'm getting an intel stream from our information

center that indicates he threw an incendiary device, okay, while screaming very specific words with multiple witnesses and video. We're damn well going to investigate it, listen to me, investigate it as targeted violence and a terror attack. You don't like it, you don't have to follow my official Twitter, but I saw a whole bunch of people losing their minds. What the hell you want us to investigate it as? A freaking grand larceny auto? Yeah, no, there's, so that last distinction, that investigation component to this, really important. Remember, everybody's innocent until they're proven guilty. It's why even

in the face of overwhelming video evidence, we say that the guy's an alleged terrorist. But obviously you watch that and you go, this is a terrorism investigation because what took place to the common eye and common ear and to the experience of the people who went through that horror is terrorism. So yes, it's being conducted as a terror investigation. An important, important distinction there,

the way they're doing this thing. Also, you know, going after, this is the last one I'll leave you with. Yes, I know, look, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, everyone wants to talk about the Epstein stuff and keeps riding these guys. Dan tells us that the files that he sees suggest Epstein killed himself.

I have the same request for him as I did before. I want them to release as much as they can. And Dan offered that update last night that they're going to release this video that he said gives him a lot of confidence in that answer. Good. He's a big receipts guy. Me too. I'd like to see all the receipts on this subject because, you know, of course, you and I have seen a lot of compelling evidence suggesting, how did that guy kill himself? He broke his bones that many times doing it himself? It doesn't add up. So, yes, receipts, please. I love receipts. Okay. Dan also talked about something super interesting here.

I think he kind of tipped the hand to the Justice Department in a not subtle way. And the question that Hannity asked him was about, hey, what about these Democrat attorneys all across the country who abused their power and coordinated with the White House to destroy Donald Trump? Big fat Fannie Willis, what about her? What about big Tish James up in New York?

What about Alvin Bragg, fat Alvin Bragg? These guys are all fat and big. Alvin Bragg in New York. What's going on here? Any of these, is the FBI looking into all of this and the abuse of power at their hands? I thought Dan gave the most interesting public answer on that question yet.

And remember, this stuff is inside of the statute of limitations. There are fewer barriers to going after this right now and holding these people accountable for what appear to have been crimes that were committed just over the course of the last year or so. Here's Dan, cut for, going after corrupt politicians. Are you going to be looking into Cash and Pam, any potential collusion between the DOJ, Letitia James, the novel legal theory of Alvin Bragg or

Nathan Wade or Fonny Willis and the DOJ. Is that something, has anything come up? Is there any way to determine whether or not evidence was destroyed in any of these cases? Well there's always a way to determine that. I don't want to comment on that specific case right now for a reason. I don't want to comment on that specific case right now for a reason. I don't want to get ahead of the Department of Justice on that. But I want to say this, you know, the FBI obviously has the public corruption portfolio. And yes, if you are a corrupt politician out there, if you are engaged in behavior, you know what you're doing, we're gonna find you.

That sounded to me like Dan was tipping his hand. I can't speak to that specifically. You asked a question about four different people, Letitia James, Fonny Willis, Nathan Wade, Alvin Bragg, and the Justice Department is moving on something related to all of that, so I'm not gonna talk any more about that. That means something.

That means something. That means something. Now, obviously at this point, we do know that the Justice Department is looking into Letitia James for her mortgage fraud, for her mortgage fraud. They are going after her for that. That may be a component to that answer. But these are the kinds of things, again, I tell you every so often, you should dog ear that,

save that. In fact, Dan himself, let me actually pull this up because it seems worthwhile for you to take a look at this. Dan himself posted the following to Twitter just this morning, that same clip, saying the same thing I'm saying, bookmark this, bookmark this, he says, and I'm telling you to dog ear that either way

It means the same thing it means save that somewhere put that on a post-it note and stick it to a computer screen and figure out And just and just wait till it comes to fruition. I promise you the glue is not gonna dry on that It'll it'll stay up there. It'll stay up there. So there's there's Dan telling you bookmark this thing So that'll be interesting that that's good. I like getting progress reports here. I prefer progress reports. I don't like, when I hear silence, that's a lack of progress report as far as I'm concerned. But when I hear Dan step out and say stuff like this, that's a progress report. So that's good. That's very good. Yeah, these guys are staying busy. All right. Look ahead, I want to talk about the way that so that's that's the that's the Dan side of looking at all of us

also, we've got President Trump himself who has issued a presidential memorandum instructing the United States Department of Justice to investigate President Auto pen that is all of the people who were controlling the Biden presidency And at this point it's pretty clear without his knowledge. That is all of the people who were controlling the Biden presidency. And at this point, it's pretty clear, without his knowledge, that is Biden's knowledge. More on that in just a moment. I've got to get into all those details. Also, Tom Fitton is going to be here in just moments. And so we have a lot to discuss. We have a lot to discuss. Got to thank the sponsors of this program. That includes my patriot supply.

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I was walking, I went and I had a, I had a drinks with a guy at the, the old Trump International Hotel, now they call it the Waldorf Astoria. And I was heading out and a black car pulls up and somebody opens the door, you know, you see an agent dressed in a suit, earpiece and somebody opens the door You know what you see an agent in it You know dressed in a suit earpiece and open the door to the SUV and you never know in Washington DC You have no idea who's about to step out of that car could be anybody and sure enough. It's cash. I was like cash He's like hey, man. I was like hey, it's great to see you buddy And I was and I shook his hand I was like look I just got to say I know you got to run inside

But I'm telling you I'm rooting for you to get all this done, man. I'm rooting for you, and I know a lot of people who are too, especially the people that are in this audience. I said, there's a huge audience that is absolutely rooting for you and Dan to crush all of this. And he said, thanks, man, I know, I know, I've been watching. So that was, just again, ran into him.

I'd love to get him on the program. We're always knocking on the official channels to try and get him on either here on the podcast or on the radio show just to talk to the FBI director find out what's going on but that was cool. And then I talked a friend of mine messaged me who said that he ran into Dan at the White House event. Last night at the White House they had a big event where they had at the White House, they had a big event where they had all the cabinet officials, agency officials, everybody that President Trump has appointed over to the White House for a summer event.

And the friend of mine who's never met Dan before, he met him last night, he said it was a nice experience. He goes, this is how he described Dan. He said, gruff but lovable. Which was really funny, gruff but lovable. Which was really funny, gruff but lovable. So I think that's a good description of Dan Bungie. So that's very cool. Okay, so let me get into what is going on with the President of the United States and investigating President Autopen. Last night, the President of the United States sent out a presidential memorandum ordering a full-blown investigation

into the Biden-Autopen scandal, a full-blown investigation. And in this memorandum, it says, "'The counsel to the president in consultation with the attorney general,' that's the Justice Department, "'and the head of any other relevant executive department or agency, shall investigate to the extent permitted by law, whether certain individuals conspired to deceive the public about Biden's

mental state and unconstitutionally exercise the authorities and responsibilities of the president. You see that what they're saying is this is a constitutional crisis. This is what the president, the current our president of the United States duly elected says about the Biden presidency. Any activity coordinated or otherwise to purposefully shield the public from information regarding Biden's mental and physical health shall be investigated.

Any agreements between Biden's aides to cooperatively and falsely deem recorded videos of the president's cognitive inability as fake. This would go right to by the way, Corrine Jean Pierre, who said that actual videos of Joe Biden losing his mind on a campaign stage were nothing more than cheap fakes. That's the press secretary paid for by the American people, unfortunately. Number three, any agreements between Biden's aides to require false public statements elevating the president's capabilities.

Number four, the purpose of these activities, including to assert authorities of the president of the United States. And the counsel to the president shall also investigate in consultation with the attorney general and the head of any other relevant agency, the circumstances surrounding Biden's supposed execution of numerous executive actions during his final years in office. This investigation shall address the policy documents for which the auto pen was used,

in other words, stuff that Biden didn't sign, including clemency grants, executive orders, presidential memoranda, or other presidential policy decisions, and whoever directed that the president's signature be affixed. Okay, all right, so that's the official memorandum from President Trump calling for a full-blown investigation

into President Autopen. This has to be done. This has to be done. This has to be done. He's not the first person in the administration to say this. The head of the DOJ task force on weaponization is a guy called Ed Martin. Ed Martin is a great American. And he's been looking into this since the moment he became,

for a short time, the acting US attorney for Washington, DC. He said he has both sent and received back a bunch of correspondents from Biden officials about the circumstances of Biden's presidency. So that is going on here. Now, additionally, worth knowing in the midst of all of this, the Oversight Project, which was one of the organizations that straight up pulled, if I can show you

this, this doesn't require any audio, this straight up pulled, look I can show you this, this doesn't require any audio, this straight up pulled, look at this on my screen. These are the signatures of Joe Biden that they did the comparison of. They tried to figure out what was AutoPen and what wasn't. And sure enough, look at this. I mean, just look at all of these signatures. They are down to the pixel, the same.

Auto pen A and auto pen B, they're the same exact signature. If you sat down and tried to scroll your signature over and over and over, and then did a layover of it, if you did it by hand, there's no chance that that matches down to the pixel. No chance, it's impossible. It's only possible if this is auto pen.

And you can see here on this video what they're showing you. Everything from anti-drug trafficking executive orders, Sudan sanctions, Russia sanctions, Zimbabwe, COVID-19, rules for court marshals. These are all the same signature. Now, here's the thing that you have to look out for. The Oversight Project has this thing up on how many of these signatures were done

while Joe Biden was in Washington, in Washington. Now, Biden being in Washington means that he is present to actually do the signature. You should of course know that the auto pen is not only used for Biden. President Trump has used it on limited occasions. They do admit that they use it, not that they have anything to hide. It's a presidential practice. That happens for sure. Especially when the president is away from the White House. So if President Trump is say at Mar-a-Lago,

but he wants to authorize something, he'll straight up say, yes, he'll tell his staff that he's authorizing the use of the auto pen for that. And then they sign it remotely. That's normal. That is a normal practice. What's not normal is having the president of the United States in the White House, and yet the auto pen was being used.

And so here's what we know now. The Oversight Project says that the auto pen was being used all the time. 66% of the pardons that were signed were done while Biden was in D.C. 100% of the commutations that were signed were done with auto pen while Biden was in D.C. Two-thirds of all the auto pen pardons. That includes members of the January 6 committee, President Biden's family members, Dr. Anthony Fauci, General Mark Milley, Iranian spies. That all occurred while President Biden was located physically at the White House,

and yet they were using a robot to conduct the signatures. Now you tell me, you tell me what that would suggest to you if you're an investigator looking into all of this. For his own family? He can't take time to sign that document for his own family? Just have the robot do it? No, this is a guy who wasn't even involved in the process, which means we had a full blown constitutional crisis on our hands because the only guy who's allowed to do that is the

president of the United States. For more on this coming up in just a moment, we'll be talking to our next guest. That's Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch. He's got a lot of thoughts on this, on the AutoPen presidency, what it means for the country, and how Washington, if anybody's gonna be level-headed here, if people are gonna follow the heat of the president, should tackle this. That's all ahead. Before we get to our great guest, there's nothing like your kid graduating high school

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This seems like a big deal. This seems like a way bigger deal. I think Hey, this seems like a big deal. This seems like a way bigger deal, I think, than people appreciate, certainly that the media appreciates. I'm watching the New York Times this morning just to give you a laugh. They're saying this is all a conspiracy theory, a baseless conspiracy theory that Biden was non-compass meant this. Yeah, you know, we've got a book now by Alex Jay Tapper. And of course, everyone witnessed it with their own eyes. Right. So that's the problem the media has. Everyone knows there was something going on and he may not have been able to run the show.

And you can't really have your cake and eat it, too. You can't have the Justice Department ratify a decision by the special counsel. We can't prosecute him because obviously he is failing memory. Right. And if that wasn't the position of the Justice Department, why didn't they prosecute him because obviously he is failing memory. Right. And if that wasn't the position of the Justice Department, why didn't they prosecute Biden, just reject the special counsel's recommendation based on the documents. So and then you look at the pardons themselves, they're mighty strange. There have really been few similar pardons in American history. Maybe the

Nixon pardon was similarly broad, but suspicious nevertheless, where you've had pardons for numerous people close to Biden that didn't specify crimes and going back 10 years. Now, who came up with that? Eleven in some cases. They went back very specifically. And who came up with that solution? And when you look at, by the way, the pardon statement related to Hunter, clearly it was written by Hunter's lawyers so null and void to begin with as far as I'm concerned then on top of that who signed them right and our friends at heritage oversight they highlighted the issue of the auto pens

now auto pens can be used by a president yep but there's got to be a paper trail there has to be authorization. And I would argue specific authorization for each usage. I don't think you can generally just give away those core presidential powers as Biden may have done in this regard. And to me, the paper trail ought to be pretty readily apparent. And if there is no paper trail, it lends further suspicion that these pardons are null and void.

You know, one thing that, like, I mentioned in the New York Times cover, is they're saying, and I'm already seeing kind of the, how they're working up their talking points, well, no pardon's ever been overturned by a court. There's no, there's no, there's never been a process for that. They're basically saying, so it's so novel,

the idea that you would overturn a pardon. I got a plan. Well wait a second everything about this entire scheme was novel like this is the violations themselves were novel so of course you have to take a novel approach to redress them. You should proceed as if the pardons are null and void let the defendants raise it as a defense in court litigate it a Pardon about nothing to me is unenforceable So what are they even going to be fighting over and certainly the crimes associated with the pardon recipients can be investigated? They can be questioned and you don't necessarily target someone who has been pardoned

But you don't let the pardon stop stop you from figuring out what crimes are associated with their conduct and then potentially prosecuting them. So if you have evidence that Fauci committed a crime, start the prosecution. If you have evidence that, of course we have lots of evidence that Hunter Biden committed crimes, although in Hunter's case, that was hand signed by Joe.

We know that signature is different than the auto pen signatures. So in that sense, unfortunately, perhaps, for those of us who want to see justice there, that one seems to stand. But the rest of the Biden family. Well, part of the pardon seems to stand. Now, the Hunter pardon has elements that seem valid,

specific violations of law for which he's being pardoned. Then you have this section that, and anything else he may have done in the last 10 or 11 years, as you point out. Well, that's an unusual, that's like, that's never been done before. Not that expansive. No.

And, and, you know, Nixon had a kind of a broad pardon like that and people were questioning whether it was sufficient or not, given the broad nature or appropriate. Right. And, and, you know, when you look at the history of pardons, one could argue, and there's been certain court findings to this effect, that the pardon doesn't stop you even from being put on trial. It just stops you from being punished. So you can arguably go through the entire process and to the degree the pardon is valid it just stops you from going to jail but you're found guilty. Right, yeah. So you can still, you think that it's possible they could still be subjected to the

court process for a fact-finding mission? In the least. I would test it with Milley. You know, I think there's questions of fraud related and perjury related to Fauci. And the whole family, the Biden family, there's criminality that needs to be fully vetted as well. And it should be no bar to prosecutions. And in the least, no bar to investigations.

And I feel that my concern is the administration is kind of walking around these core issues though. Is there going to be a serious investigation of any of these issues I'm talking about? This is what I wanted to ask you about next because here's what we've seen. We've seen, infamously on the right, we've seen a lot of fact-finding missions that don't result in accountability action, right? So the big congressional investigations that give us a bunch of horrifying answers, and

then everyone is not charged because, well, it's outside of the statute of limitations that happened a long time ago, somebody already caught a wrist slap or whatever, Kevin Klinesmith gets to just stampede all over the law and there's no accountability for him. So here's my worry about this, and it sounds to me like you're sharing it, that the president's asking for a full blown investigation into this and then we're going to get some sort of spiral bound report without the kind of accountability that you and I want. I can do an investigation. You do this all the time.

Right. You don't have prosecuting ability so you just do the outside investigation. We don't need the government to do quote an investigation We need the government to do as you say a prosecution and and what if I were the president I would just have a separate investigative prosecutorial unit outside the FBI and Justice Department I know Dan and cash probably want to get into some of this as to what the FBI did in the past Yeah, I don't think the FBI can investigate the FBI and the DOJ especially on welfare They're compromised and conflicted and I would just, we kind of

just need to get it done. It was last year they tried to destroy our Republic by jailing our president. Yes. And I'm not seeing any urgency to figure out who should be held accountable for violating civil rights of Trump and anyone else. At the top of this program I played, perhaps you've seen the clip of Dan on Hannity last night. Which one? There was a clip, in fact the one that he said, this is the one that he said bookmark this. Oh, I did see that. This morning, and the bookmark this one was him being asked a question by Sean about the,

about Letitia James, Alvin Bragg, Fannie Willis, and Nathan Wade. And he said, I can't get ahead of what the Justice Department is doing right now on that issue, so I really can't give you more answers on this. But just, again, Dan is emphasizing that area. So if you're looking at the people who actually did go after Trump

and tried to rob him of his civil rights in that way, that's definitely the cabal that they're talking about. Well, you would think, but I'm not seeing any evidence that they're actually doing a criminal investigation of that cabal. And if they were, I think we'd see evidence. The cabal would be screaming about it. Yeah.

You know, remember, after January 6th, what happened? The Biden people came in and they went to town. They went after all of these folks related to January 6th. They made it clear there were ongoing criminal investigations. Who were the targets? There were arrests. Subpoenas issued very public. And I'm sorry, I don't think all of this is being done in secret.

I don't think it's being done. I think they're kind of circling around the issues. There may be some prosecutions, but I just don't see the comprehensive, we know, we know comprehensive reform and oversight and prosecution. We know that the mortgage fraud case against Letitia James is real and they're actually doing that. So that's part of this. I mean there's definitely some investigative action going on against her, but that broader, that broader theme of are these guys lawyering up because the Justice Department is breathing down their necks.

You're saying, well, I just haven't seen the public evidence for that right now. Where's the grand jury? And I'm sorry, it has been, you know, they keep on saying it's only been three months or four months. Yeah, yeah. Actually, that's a long time. It's a long time.

And... To build a case? It's a long time to not do anything publicly. And I'm not seeing evidence as being done and I don't trust the FBI and DOJ to be able to do it because they're going to have to investigate themselves if they seriously want to get it done. You know who the FBI was involved in the raid on Trump's home? Right. Who's going to investigate the FBI's involvement? Yes. Who in the DOJ was involved? Who's going

to be investigating the DOJ? So what would you recommend? What would be the approach? I would have a separate investigative unit set up by the prosecutor in chief our president Uh-huh a point a special counsel who is answerable to him and he should manage the investigation and the prosecutions and have other Agency or outside contractors detail to provide support yes the due to sort of comprehensive analysis and investigation and if necessary prosecution under our Constitution Donald Trump could go into the courtroom and prosecute a case if need be is this something that you've recommended to him I don't say what I say or don't say well I'm asking anybody in the in the White

House I've been very public well it. Well, you're publicly recommending it. So if Donald Trump is watching this, dear Mr. President, my favorite president, this is something he should do. Okay, so let me ask you. I am officially recommending it on Vince's broadcast. Okay, good. So we have an official recommendation to the president here. On the flip side of it, do you anticipate that this is something he would do?

I would argue that if he doesn't do it, he's going to be prosecuted as soon as he gets out of office. They really want to hurt him. You know, if the FBI, in my view, the FBI has to be a husk of its former self and should be treated like USAID. We shouldn't be talking about trying to get people hired at the FBI and letting cops be cops. The FBI has proven itself a menace to our First Amendment rights

and a tool that any president who comes into town who has their sights on their opponents as opposed to the rule of law. And it's too much of a threat. They've proven themselves incapable of doing the job that Americans expect them to do and can't be trusted. Yeah, and also, like, one of the things we've discovered already through, you know, both Cash and Dan, who I am sincerely grateful are in that role. I mean, if there's anybody who's gonna be there

who I'd have any kind of confidence in is those two. I agree. And they say right up front, you've been hearing from Dan lately, he repeated it last night, that they're finding rooms full of information that was meant to be concealed. And they say right up front, you've been hearing from Dan lately, he repeated it last night, that they're finding rooms full of information that was meant to be concealed.

So what that means is that they still have a huge active problem inside of the Bureau that they're tackling in the midst of trying to keep the country safe. This is why you need outsiders to come in and do the audits, do a forensic analysis of the documents or the storage devices they have in there. Yeah.

You know, Dan can't do it all on his own. No. I mean, Dan highlights all the work he's doing on the law enforcement matters, and I think it kind of takes pressure off of them to, you know, focus on the kind of the current crises, and you have a separate agency or office reporting to the president who's doing the cleanup in aisle six. Yeah. Yeah.

Ed Martin seems like he's really focused. Ed could do it. There are all sorts of people you could appoint as special counsel. Move someone over from DOJ or bring in an outsider. DOJ, with all due respect to the leadership of the FBI and the Justice Department, we know how it works. They go in, the bureaucracy is quite adept at focusing them on where they want to focus and explaining why it is

they can't do what they want to do and creating interesting issues for them to pursue that they know they're going to be interested in. And meanwhile, things just keep on going the way they've been going in large measure. I'm not seeing any doge going on at the FBI to any great extent, have you? Any Doge?

Doge meaning canning people? The approach, the Doge approach. Now they've been canning some people who've been affiliated with some of the prior abuses. But none of the traditional Doge approach for waste, fraud, and abuse, same at the DOJ. And the FBI has what, 38,000 people working for it? Right.

And they're recruiting more. They're trying to get more agents in. Look, at the end of the day, the only remaining person at the FBI should be Cash Patel and a few assistants as they're basically shutting the lights off. That's what my view is. And so I kind of want them to do investigations as best as they're able, but let's not be naive

about the way things have been going. What's the best indication of future behavior by political and administrative agencies? Past performance. Yeah. That's right. It's the exact opposite for the stock market, right? Yes, that's right. No, that's true.

Okay, let me ask you about what would happen if Democrats get control of the House. They've got, right now, Jasmine Crockett, one of the leaders of the party, is saying that it's time for impeachment again. And I'm seeing Axios has a report up this morning that, oh, Democrats disagree and this is giving them agita. And like they, no, they don't. It's my view that the second they get a hold on power again They're once again impeaching President Trump for a third time. Oh, yeah in the least you can be sure there'll be charges You can see them circling around allegations of criminality associated with Trump and his family fake allegations, but they don't need much to start charging him So I don't think it's going to be limited to impeachment. And remember, they wanted to get him killed last time around.

You know, you had Benny Thompson put a bill forward that would have denied him Secret Service protection if he was sent the Rikers, which would have been a death sentence. These guys, you know, and who did they use to go after him? Was the FBI and DOJ. And I was joking with Ben a few weeks ago. I said it was Trump's DOJ that tried to put him in jail effectively. So let's not think that we have to wait for Democrats to come in, in order for us to be at risk. You could have a Republican president

succeed President Trump, assuming Trump's term is limited to just two. And we could have a DOJ, oh, we got to do what Trump is now doing with Biden, right? Right. Yeah, leakers, deceivers, saboteurs, we saw all of that in Trump one. And now we're very much at risk. And we still don't have the documents. We're in it for the documents initially, right?

And FBI is stalling documents to us. DOJ is stalling documents to us. DOJ is stalling documents to us. They're still stalling to you now? Yeah. So I know that one thing that the document of production is ramped up from the FBI is to Congress. I know that those guys who've been asking for documents have been getting it a pretty rapid clip relative to what it's been in the past. A lot of the Crossfire Hurricane, all that stuff is showing up in Congress, which is good news.

But you're saying- Well, we sued for the Crossfire Hurricane two years ago, and we haven't gotten one document. Well, I shouldn't say one document, but we haven't gotten the documents. You haven't gotten what you wanted. Yeah. And so what's the answer for that?

I think they should use- I mean, what are they saying? I mean, obviously, I would imagine that the relationship you have now must be a better one, that there's a better, more of a good faith relationship, but are they giving you excuses? Like the DOJ has given us documents I mean, I can imagine that the relationship you have now must be a better one, that there's a better, more of a good faith relationship, but. I mean, we've gotten the, you know, like the DOJ has given us documents

we typically wouldn't have gotten. For instance, on the hunt, on the her tapes. Yes. They gave us documents showing the White House was trying to change the transcript, literally, to make it seem like he didn't forget his son's death. Yes. The year of his son's death. And that material typically would never be released

under FOIA So there was that positive step, but typically it's the same old same old. I mean we're not getting any faster responses to our pending FOIA lawsuits and litigation and You know and I would recommend they just file Follow a FOIA process in releasing records. The problem they had with Epstein and the JFK records, both of which we've sued on since then, is that they kind of did public leaks.

And the problem when you do a public leak, and I don't want to say I'm against transparency, but people say, well, where did you look? What are you withholding? And the only way to make sure you know how that, what's happening in that regard is through litigation. Yes. The FOIA process.

And so I would encourage them to follow the FOIA process. Don't make it the perfect the enemy of the good in the sense of pretending that the FOIA process gets in the way of releasing records because the decisions that the so when Dan gets on TV and says you know we're we're looking at the videos. Yeah. Of the Epstein. The hallway, the court. Right. And we want to make them, we want to clean them up.

We're like, just give us the documents. You know, we asked for these documents two months ago. Right. So if you're going to release them, release them. You clean them up later. Do whatever you want with them later. But we want the records. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where are those records? You keep on referencing records you're seeing or sending to Congress Congress the public isn't seeing these records. Why is that? And maybe it's because they're they're kind of running, you know, they're kind of an emergency fat, you know They may be there's an emergency aspect and we won't know until we see that video what it is that they'd actually have to clean Up, you know, because it sounds to me like typically video footage, especially if it's a security camera You could release it but there must be some underlying reason again in Dan's case. I'm not distrusting I'm perfectly fine with him saying that but I'm with you on the on the transparent Yeah, it's not a question of whether I like Dan or not

It's like I just know the way the agencies work. Yeah, and the FBI doing this in judicial watch for almost 30 years and You know The FBI, I've been doing this at Judicial Watch for almost 30 years. And you know, don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining. For sure. Yes. You know, and the FBI, I'm not seeing any evidence of a real systemic criminal prosecution or investigation of the law fair. I'm not seeing an understanding that they start, they need to really deal on an urgent basis with releasing and disclosing information about what went on.

And frankly, the FBI should be treated like Japan at the end of World War II. You know, I'm sorry, we're not going to leave you ever able to do what you did to us again. Yes, your governance will never look the same again. Now that's true, that happened in Japan. Okay, last thing, I know that you're concerned about election integrity. Oh yeah. That's a big focus for you. That matters a great deal.

If this whole system's going to keep going, people have to have faith in our elections. What's the latest for you? Supreme Court's going to take up a big case of ours. We sued in Illinois for a congressman, Mike Bost, and two electors in Illinois. They count ballots that arrive for up to two weeks after Election Day in Illinois. And we had a similar lawsuit in Mississippi, and the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals said, you just should watch this right here. You know, our clients are right. Counting ballots arrive after election day is contrary to federal law, which sets an

election day, not an election week. But in Illinois, they didn't even want to deal with the merits. They said the Congressman, the candidate had no standing to challenge the illegal counting of ballots. So we appealed. We lost the appeal. It was a split appeal to one, which suggests that maybe we were on, you know, that was a bad decision. And the Supreme Court this week said they're going to take up our case.

So they're going to consider whether, essentially, federal candidates can go into court and try to stop an election from being stolen. Yes. Well, I mean, you would think they would be the injured party. You would think. So knock on wood, you never know with the Supreme Court. You never know. But of course, it's an election-related case.

So things get always a little bit weirder with the courts and election cases. My suspicion is they didn't like the idea of Trump challenging elections. And that has kind of impacted their theory of standing in too many courts that candidates or frankly others who have the right to or should have the right to can't get the time of day in courts.

And of course what the left says, 60 court decisions, you know, a lot of those cases were thrown out for lack of standing and things like that. I'm not saying all of that would be impacted by this particular lawsuit or this particular Supreme Court case. But it's important for the court in our view to affirm that certainly a federal candidate, a sitting member of Congress, should be able to challenge whether a state is complying with federal law

in the way the election's being run. What could be more American than protecting the will of the people? What could possibly be more American than that? All you're saying is I wanna make sure that the people. What could possibly be more American than that? All you're saying is, I wanna make sure that the people's voice is accurately represented. It has to be the most common sense thing in the world. In California, they count ballots seven days

after election day, that arrive seven days after election day. You know, when Trump had an EO kind of cementing the policy that, and he made the good point in EO, he goes, it's like a voter showing up three days after the polls close and saying, open them up, I want to vote. But in California, two Democrats won, I quote Marx for those of you just listening, not watching, and replaced two Republicans based on ballots that were counted after that arrived after Election Day

Mm-hmm, so late arriving ballots on our view under the law were counted and changed the election results If I were in the house, I'd be doing a whole host of hearings and I think there's a basis to change the change those seats Yeah in order to again accurately reflect the will of the voters who play by the rules. Yeah, no, that's that's worth digging into. All right, well, look, Judicial Watch continues relentlessly to go after all of this, doesn't matter who's in power. And that's why we like you. Thank you, man. Good to see you here, Tom, as always.

There's Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch. Thank you again to Tom plowing ahead here. And so we've got a lot going on here in the country, including I've got some amazing stuff for you. I've got, do you know that there are Democrats who still can't resist telling you that the reason we need illegal aliens in the country is to be their servants?

This is a Vermont congresswoman, a Vermont congresswoman. She's a real Democrat congresswoman by the name of Becca Ballant. Becca Ballant, who actually said this week at a forum that, you know, if you deport everybody, if all the illegals are gone, then who's going to wipe my ass? That's what she said that out loud. She said that out. Yes, she said that out loud. Take a look. Cut one, a real Democrat congresswoman saying she needs servants to wipe her butt. Labor and of course, we have to come to a place in Congress,

where it is no longer a political issue, but we see it as an existential issue for the country. If we don't have avenues for people to come here legally to work or to build a home here, I'm going to be really crude right now. We're not going to have anybody around to wipe our asses because we don't have enough people. What? If we deport everyone, who's going to wipe my ass? Now, that tells you everything. In case you were wondering, how did that woman become a Democrat?

Because there's literally nothing that she can do for herself. That particular act is something that from a young age, you should be capable of handling on your own. But no, no, not in the case of that Democrat. She needs servants to do that for her. That is what she needs. And she's not the first Democrat. Joe Biden, remember this? Joe Biden said something very similar at one point when he was standing outside the White House. Does immigration mean to be a reconciliation? Must it be a reconciliation? My butt's been wiped.

My butt's been wiped, said Joe Biden. And one would assume, based on what we're hearing, that it was an illegal alien who had the unenviable task of doing that. Yeah, isn't that remarkable? These Democrats, you give them a microphone and you let them talk long enough, they're just gonna straight up say what they actually want,

which is we would like an underpaid surf class to be imported into the United States so we can exploit them for our own advantages. Who's gonna do my gardening? Who's gonna clean my house? Who's gonna do my gardening? Who's gonna clean my house? Who's gonna cook for me? Who's gonna wipe my ass? That is what Democrats think.

When they think, oh no, they're deporting illegals. They really think, oh no, where am I going to underpay servants? How am I going to do that? And maybe that is a job that Americans don't want. I can't think of a single one who would want the job of wiping that crazy lady's ass. So there she is calling for that.

They always tell on themselves, always. Just let them talk long enough, they tell on themselves. We had another great moment yesterday, a Democrat who was asked to account for her own words. Check out cut six here. This is a woman, the Democrat witness at a congressional hearing on NGOs. Congressman Brandon Gill went back

and looked at the history of her NGOs and said, well, wait a second, you say that all white people are racist. So are you racist? Take a look. Are you a racist? With all due respect, sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do

throughout the country. Excuse me, that's a very simple question. Yes or no question. Are you a racist? I'm not a racist. You're not a racist. Particularly interesting because according to one of your affiliate charities under your nonprofit umbrella, denial of racism constitutes covert white supremacy.

Are you a covert white supremacist? Sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do. Are you a covert white supremacist? Can I talk about the work that nonprofits do in addition to that? No, I'm asking you if you're a covert white supremacist, which according to one of your own organizations, again, denial of racism constitutes

covert white supremacy. Would you like to answer the question? I don't know what the question is. So you refuse to answer whether you are a covert white supremacist. I am here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do. I'm going to take that as a yes.

Yes, she is. She's a covert white supremacist. Can you imagine in your wildest years, can you imagine any moment somebody asks you, are you a racist? No. Are you a white supremacist? No.

Are you a covert white supremacist? No. Next question. This is easy. Are these all the questions? I'm ready for this. I didn't even have to do homework for this. I can hit these out of the park. These are softballs big fat softballs right across the plate

Are you a covert white supremacist? I don't want to talk about that. What I'm sorry You have an organization that straight-up declared that in fact denial of your white supremacy means you're a white supremacist. Tell us more That Brandon Gill is a superpower and his superpower is reading Democrats own words back to them until they self-immolate, which you just saw. That was amazing. And you're amazing. The best damn audience in media, thank you for doing this again today. We'll be back tomorrow for another episode of Vince. Rumble.com slash Vince. You can find it there. You also get the national radio show rumble.com slash Vince. We do it 12 to 3 each day. You can find it there. You also can get the national radio show, rumble.com slash Vince. We do it 12 to three each day. You can watch me hang out with us on the radio show.

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