The Dan Bongino Show - Trump Puts China In Their Place w/ Tim Murtaugh | Episode 19

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

China has decided to retaliate in the tariff war. If there's anything these past days should have taught them, it's don't call the President's bluff, because he's not bluffing. Also in this episode: the media machine begins to crumble underneath retrospection and Tim Murtaugh joins the show to discuss. Trump Announces 90-Day ‘Pause’ On Tariffs, With A Catch https://dailycaller.com/2025/04/09/trump-sends-markets-soaring-with-big-tariff-announcement/ House GOP cancels budget vote as hard-liners agitate for more spending cuts in Trump’s ‘beautiful’ bill https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/09/house-gop-cancels-budget-vote-00283121 ‘Do Not Respond’: Trump Press Sec Confirms They Ignore Reporters With Pronouns In Email Signatures https://dailycaller.com/2025/04/09/trump-karoline-leavitt-new-york-times-pronouns-email-signature/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey there. Good to have you back with us. It's Vince. Another episode. It's always so nice to chat with you, chatting, especially with you live on rumble rumble.com slash Vince, an amazing chat already piling in as it does each day. Thank you for that. Everybody. It is a, it is wild. You just saw it happen again. And I've, what have I been saying? What have I been saying? Everyone just needs to settle the hell down. It's going to go great. And sure enough, it went great. A massive announcement from the President of the United States yesterday. Stock market flying up into a complete record day yesterday. And we've imposed 125% tariffs on China.

Tell me exactly how this could have gone better. We'll have more on that in a moment. Also, I've got new economic data just out this morning, speaking of the economy and what's gonna happen with spending in the United States of America. The Congress right now debating some big tax cuts and big spending cuts right now. They could be on the verge of passing one big,

beautiful bill and Tim Murtaugh, you know him from the Trump campaign. He's gonna be joining us coming up. We're gonna talk to him about the president strategy, what he sees in all of it, and also a very important story about rumble as it fights back against the Canadian government. That's right.

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We've got a very good news today. Very good news indeed about the state of the economy. Things are now roaring thanks to the president of the United States and the moves that he has taken this week. Before I dive into some of the data, some of you have been watching the rumble stream during the radio show from 12 to 3 each day. And typically I have a these days I have a special guest, my dog. My dog Major stops by and I decided everyone keeps saying where's he during the podcast? Well he's here now. Major come here.

Everybody let me see. Let me see if I can show you Major. There's can you okay let's get another camera here. How about this? How about this? We'll get another camera for major We've got a camera. I can I can pull it up right now. Let's see. There's major major There's major That's my dog And everybody has been uh talking about him in the uh, the radio chat So I figured why am I keeping major from the podcast? And so this is my boy. He's my off leash boy. He follows me around everywhere.

He's my shadow and he's a great dog. He's a great dog. Anyway, so that's me just showing off the dog. But I figured bring him to the, bring him to the show. And people were asking about his breed. He's a mutt. We got him as a rescue. Somebody abandoned him somewhere in central Virginia and he walked up to a, a work truck. A guy was working on a radio tower and he w he walked up to a work

truck and he just hung out by the truck. And so the guy's name is Larry. Larry is a great American. Larry takes major into the truck at the time. He had no name yet. We didn't name them until we got them and brought them to, you know, the local officials in kind of what you have to do to see if anybody's going to claim them. Nobody did after a week. So Larry took them and then, and then Larry posted online that they needed a home for this guy. So we brought major in and he's been the absolute best. It's been fun. I loved honestly, love training dogs, love training dogs. Dog training is dog training is pretty cool. I taught him how to catch frisbees, which I didn't know that you could do. I thought you had to be a

you want to like those really smart breeds to catch frisbees. And it turns out you can train a lot of dogs to catch frisbees. You just have to, you have to spin around with them. They like biting at the frisbee. You just spin in a circle with them and then they keep biting at the frisbee and then you gently start releasing the frisbee each time. And then the dog gets accustomed to catching it in the air. And now I can whip that frisbee across the yard. He'll chase it and catch it. So kind of cool. Actually. It's really, these dogs are amazing. So there you go. That's a, that's major. He'll pop up every so often in the podcast. Um, and for those of you listening, check out the Rumble stream if you can some time to check that out.

That's rumble.com slash Vince. Okay. Economic data. Who's a good boy? Who's a good economy? The American economy is doing really well. We have some breaking news this morning that the American economy has improved dramatically. Inflation is way down. Our economist here on the program

is E.J. Antony and he writes today that core inflation year over year has fallen to its lowest rate in almost four years, hitting 2.8%. That's the best number since May of 2021. May of 2021. Of course, the last time, as you see here on EJ's chart, it was headed in an upward trajectory because you have Biden coming in January of 21, and then inflation skyrockets during that timeframe. So core inflation now is back, is falling way down thanks to the president of the United States, his administration, and stopped all of that out of control spending. Remember when Biden came into office, the first thing they did was pass a $2 trillion spending package and they said it was for so-called

COVID relief. All it did was print a lot of money and make the economy so much worse. When you print money and you have too many dollars chasing too few goods, well, that's exactly how you get inflation. And that's what Biden did over the course of his four awful years in office. So the economic numbers that we're seeing today, a dramatic improvement there. Also in terms of E.J.'s assessment of everything that's going on, I have one more for you, because this strikes me as really important too. Take a look at this one.

He said, this is truly remarkable. The average annual inflation rate from 2009 until 2021, it was at 1.8 percent here. And then Biden drove it up to eight point six percent for a year and a half. And then it rose steadily at three point one percent for the rest of his entire term. Trump is averaging a mere one percent right now for his average annual inflation rate. That's huge. So these, so in terms of prices, in terms of prices, and this idea that President Trump was elected in order to lower them, to slow down these rapid price increases, he's doing it because of oil has gone down dramatically. A barrel of oil has gone down very dramatically.

That is super important. You're looking at Congress right now contemplating a big package that will include American energy spending, American energy focus in terms of getting rid of all the barriers to American energy. So, these numbers are only set to improve going forward. And the private sector, we talked about earlier this week, the private sector, two months in a row has been growing. The government sector is shrinking.

It's going down. All things that you want. So the president delivering on those promises right now. And then yesterday, we get the big announcement from the president of the United States that he is dropping all of the tariffs that he was set to impose on every country on the planet. And instead, they're just going to impose 10% flat on every country all across the planet, except for China, which is going to be getting 125% tariffs because China just keeps retaliating. China just keeps attacking the United States.

So President Trump says, okay, perfect, we will isolate China. 125% tariff. We're going to reroute all of this industry all around the planet. We're going to, we'll import from other countries. We will work out trade deals. As of this industry all around the planet. We're going to import from other countries. We will work out trade deals. As of this morning, the president's advisor, Kevin Hassett, was on television saying that they have some, I want to say 15 or so countries that they're working with right now that specifically who have offers on the table, who are ready to go. They've been talking to 75 countries, they say, who all want to make these big offers. At the moment, those tariffs are frozen. They're not fully suspended. They're

not fully going away. They're frozen for 90 days, according to the president. And the idea here is that looming tariff threat continues to hang over these countries until they make deals that benefit the United States of America. In the meantime, the Chinese having a 125% tariff, this is a huge deal. Now, China is digging its heels and I saw them all across X, they're posting these ridiculous videos saying, we're going to fight to the end. We're going to fight to the end. We will not yield.

Okay, fine. Don't yield because you are entirely dependent on the American market. You're not diversified enough. You can't handle this. We have all of the leverage here. And so China, if they want to take this to the bloody end, that's totally fine because that means in that timeframe, we will be able to reestablish business here in the United States of America, get all these companies out of China, companies like Apple, which has been producing iPhones, and was it Foxconn where they had to put up the suicide nets to catch people who were jumping out of the factory? Crazy. And so

you're watching as a lot of that manufacturing is already starting to leave China. Just the uncertainty of the trade war is enough for these companies to say, we've got to pick up, we've got to move. So China with a losing hand here and the president fighting right now for us. So that's great. And I said this from the get go and I'll repeat it every time we get one of these Trump panics that are going on from is what the president refers to as the panicans. It is, isn't it the most predictable thing ever? Isn't it the most predictable thing ever? The president does something.

The left-wing media in a bunch of weak-kneed rhinos come out and they start freaking out over what the president did saying this is gonna end in calamity and then it ends in the best possible way and And people look back on it and they say, wow, that was actually worth it. Yesterday morning, each day, I can tell you, each day throughout all of this, I've put a little bit, no, a couple of bucks. I put a little bit of money into the stock market each day

because I said, why not? I know how this ends. I know how this ends. I know that the president is gonna wanna have everything firing on all cylinders by the time the midterms come around and perhaps sooner. And so yesterday morning, I bought a little of the S&P 500, just bought a little index fund. I was like, you know what, maybe I'll do this. And the president even said on Truth Social yesterday, he said, this is a good time to buy stocks. And so people started listening. Some people did.

They started buying stocks. And by the time the president made his announcement, that was during our 12 to 3 Eastern national radio show yesterday, he makes his announcement on truth social that he's suspending all these tariffs for 90 days and he's imposing 125% tariffs on China. Holy crap, what a day it was yesterday. And I, yeah, Patriot Dan says, I did too, invest what you can. I planted my feet, I just put a couple of bucks

in the market and it paid off yesterday. So that's, again, that's because I'm not freaking out. I'm not panicking over this. Donald Trump has been president of the United States before and has gone pretty damn well. Now he's president again and it is going pretty damn well. I'm not gonna freak out here. That's crazy.

So I didn't and it paid off, luckily. So here's as predicted, although I do see there, there's some people online today accusing, um, Trump people of insider trading. I guess there were some, some people were buying call options or something on the market yesterday ahead of the president's public announcement. But even if that's the case, the president had tweeted in the morning, or sorry, posted the truth socially and truth in the morning that now's a good time to

buy stocks, maybe kind of an indicator of Trump's telling people, Hey, now's time, now's a good time to buy stocks. Maybe kind of an indicator of Trump's telling people, hey, now's the right time to buy stocks. People listened yesterday. Amazing. All right. Let's see. I've got the president talking about China. This is what I want you to hear. This is the president, Cutwon, saying that the reason we are in this position where we have to fight back against China now given all of its unfair practices Is not just because of China which of course it is It's because of the prior occupants of the Oval Office who have sold this country out. Take a look at the president Right behind this desk or another desk you get you get your choice of seven. I happen to pick the resolute

You get your choice of seven. I happen to pick the resolute. But I blame the people sitting behind in this chair, behind this desk, for being stupid and competent or not having courage. This should have been done years ago. This should have been done before Obama, in all fairness. Not only Biden, Obama.

This should have been done many years ago. This started with the World Trade Organization, which was owned by China. It was owned and paid for by China. They didn't even have to do things. They considered them a nation that was undeveloped. They said they were a developing nation. Well, we're a developing nation, too, if you think about it.

Look at our inner cities. Look at what's happened. Yeah, so let me pause here. The developing nation component, just to be clear, means that China gets preferential treatment on the global stage. They get, they get unique carve outs by the world trade organization because they're considered a developing nation. What an absurd arrangement at the rest of our expense. So it's not free trade. It's not fair trade at all.

It's rig trade with China. And also it was Washington who sold us out. It was people like then Senator Joe Biden who sold us out through the admission of China to the World Trade Organization. And it is not in any way achieved the claims that those people in Congress were saying at the time. They claimed that China would become more Western. China would become more like us.

China would ingest our values. None of that happened. Instead, they exported their communism to the United States of America and stole our productivity, stole our intellectual property, stole our manufacturing base, stole it. It wasn't a free trade arrangement.

It wasn't that they were doing things better in an ethical way. It was that they straight up stole it. And Washington's allowed it to happen forever. Every prior occupant of the Oval Office, at least in this century, has allowed that to get even worse. So Trump says, I'm the corrective. Hate to say it, but these guys are either morons or they're corrupt. Continue with President Trump here.

From ground zero there, right? So we're a developing nation too. No, I don't, I know it's a lot of people take heat for saying it, but I blame the people sitting at this desk more than I blame China. If China can get away with, they got away with, with taking hundreds of billions and trillions of dollars right out of our pocket because our people here were stupid, they were stupid people.

Maybe corrupt, I don't know. I don't know how you can be that stupid. How do you get to be president when you're stupid? But they certainly weren't courageous, and they allowed this to happen. and with Japan and with many other countries that took advantage of us. We had deficits with almost every country. I used to read these things first term. I'd read them. I'd actually read the agreements and say, how could anybody agree to this stuff? So certainly they were rough, and they were tough, and they were smart. And you can blame them, but I really blame the people that allowed them to do it. Because, you know, if you could read first grade

and you could read these agreements, you'd say, these are terrible deals. I actually used to say, who would allow deals like this to be made for our country? I love that. I love that he says, how can you be a stupid person and become president

of the United States? Well, in fairness, Joe Biden became president of the United States and he wasn't he wasn't even at the level of stupid. He didn't he didn't reach that high. And so and then the other piece of this, he said, well, maybe they're corrupt. Well, he's being generous. Biden is corrupt. Biden's very corrupt. The Biden family has taken millions from China. The Biden family has taken millions from the wife of the mayor of Moscow. The Biden family has taken millions from Ukraine. The Biden family deeply corrupt in the midst of all of this. No wonder they're rolling over in the face of China.

That was four years guaranteed that China was going to continue to fleece us, to take advantage of us, because they owned the guy in the Oval Office. So I would say President Trump, who was very good in that audio you just heard, he's being almost generous to Biden, who was bought and paid for by so many countries. And so we were left holding the bag here and president Trump trying to fix all that right now. Republicans in the Senate, members of Congress, for the most part, there were a lot of members of Congress who were with the president. Some of them just kept their mouths shut during this trade

battle. And then others were downright trying to take away the president's power to conduct this effort, to manage these tariffs. And those people, just insane. The Susan Collins of the world, the Tom Tillis's of the world saying, we have to wrest control of tariffs away from the president of the United States. How awful that they would get up there and they would represent the globalist status quo rather than fighting for the American worker in places like Maine and North Carolina where Collins and Tillis are from respectively. But there is a sigh of relief going on on Capitol Hill that at least this bout, this round is over.

Here is Senator John Kennedy delivering the message in only the way that he can. 90-day pause except China. Well, I don't consider it to be a pause. I consider it to be a declaration of putting the China aside for a second. You have to treat China differently from everybody else. second. You have to treat China differently from everybody else. No person with an IQ that's greater than his age or her age can think that half of the world's countries would have come to America, the American people and say, we want to lower our trade barriers and President Trump not done what he did. Right. Now, that's just a fact.

Trump haters will not like that. Trump lovers will love it. But that's just the natural fact. Yeah, so he says, this isn't a pause, it's a declaration of victory. Truth is, it is a pause, it is a pause. So those countries continue to remain on notice, but Senator Kennedy is right that this is a big deal, that the president could only achieve

through a muscular start to this negotiation by coming out and just throwing it all on the table. This is the pain that you're going to suffer. Bam, throwing the binder down and having everybody stare at him from across the table and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. That's where you're starting. We want to make a deal. Let's make a deal.

We don't want any heat. We don't want any of that. Let's get away from that. That doesn't happen if President Trump just starts limping into the negotiation. It just comes in and he says, look, I want you to make a deal. We'd hate for anything to get worse for you. We'd hate to eventually impose tariffs on you. Instead, he starts right away with, we're putting massive tariffs on your country. What do you have to say about this? So the president in his announcement yesterday indicated that the fact that all of these countries around the planet are collaborating with him is what earned them at least this 90 day reprieve.

So Senator Kennedy right that that's that's a uniquely Trump equality that so many others who would want to represent the United States in the Oval Office, they would do well to learn some lessons from how the president just handled all of that. All right, coming up more in a moment, I've got more reactions to all of this, including from the top officials in the Trump administration. And we'll be speaking with Tim Murtaugh coming up in a moment. He's seen the president up close. He knows how he operates, and he'll give us his thoughts on the president's negotiating

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that China is threatening here to retaliate is to block Hollywood movies from appearing in China. I won't go back and listen to yesterday's podcast if you want more detail on that, but at its core, I hope China blocks Hollywood movies from appearing in China. I won't go back and listen to yesterday's podcast if you want more detail on that. But at its core, I hope China blocks Hollywood movies from appearing in China. It'd be good for us. It means that Hollywood does less sucking up to China, less censoring of American movies in order to fit the Chinese demands. I'd be very in favor of that.

But here's one that I didn't dwell on yesterday, but I need you to dwell on in part. Take a look at this. China is floating the possibility of killing more Americans in response to these tariffs. And what does that mean? Well, China right now is the source of fentanyl, is the source of fentanyl worldwide is the source of fentanyl worldwide, especially in the United States, all of those ingredients, all the fentanyl stuff comes from China. And two of the bloggers who are linked to the Chinese government,

who came out with this list of retaliatory ideas, meaning they did this at the behest of the commies, of the Chai comms who run the country. They suggested that they would stop collaborating on fentanyl. They would suspend cooperation on fentanyl. Let me put that a little differently for you. They will look the other way as their people, their country continues to kill Americans. That's their plan. And so look, it's already kind of a joke to suggest that they're doing much collaboration to begin with,

but the Chinese government knows as it floats this concept, that the whole point is we want you to realize more Americans will die if we have our way. You keep this going, we will kill more Americans. I don't think that that component of this should be underappreciated i think we should really keep an eye on that because the chinese government. As you like leno peter schweitzer is written a great book on the subject. The Chinese government controls the supply chain of fentanyl into the United States all the way through Mexico. They're controlling the port access.

They're controlling the pill presses. They're working with the cartels. They're using Chinese encrypted apps to get the drugs into the country. And fentanyl has been killing more Americans every year than we lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War. More Americans every single year than we lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War. Over 100,000 Americans a year died due to drug overdoses here in the United States. Many of them who are taking drugs, things that they think are other drugs, and they don't realize that there are fentanyl inside of them.

And that's the cartels, That's the Chinese government killing Americans. So the Chinese government today, uh, this week saying that'll continue. So, you know, one huge piece here is remembering this is not merely an economic war. This is in some, some ways you would assess it to be a hot war, wouldn't you? If, if the Chinese government and the cartels are involved in killing over 100,000 Americans a year, we're kind of at war, aren't we, with this country? The president responding with 125% tariffs now on China. We'll see what comes of it and whether or not China is going to come to the table at all, but it is a really, really big deal. In terms of what led to all of this yesterday,

there is some speculation right now that they're not speculation. There's a left-wing media narrative. I love this. They hated Trump for launching the tariffs to begin with. And then when he changed his course, and he says, we're going to drop the tariffs down 10%. We're going to leave them up for China, 125%. The media cope yesterday was, oh, he blinked. He walked away. He gave up. He surrendered. He capitulated. That's their explanation for this. The Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, immediately addressed this yesterday and said, don't be stupid. This was part of the plan. Take a look at Scott Besson. How much of this decision was driven by the bond market cratering overnight?

What is happening? China selling their bond? I have nothing to say to that. And we actually had quite a good ten-year auction today. And all this was, again, this was driven by the president's strategy. He and I had a long talk on Sunday, and this was his strategy all along. And that, you know, you might even say that he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market.

And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market.

And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be able to get a lot of money from the bond market. And he was going to be long talk on Sunday and this was his strategy all along. And that you might even say that he go to China into a bad position. They responded, they have shown themselves to the world to be the bad actors. And we are willing to cooperate with our allies and with our trading partners who did not retaliate.

It wasn't a hard message. Don't retaliate, things will turn out well. Don't retaliate, things will turn out well. That was the message. China retaliated, things turned out poorly. Everybody else is now working with the United States, which is a very big deal. And think about what this means for alliances.

That means that we'll have more countries who are dedicated to their business relationships with the United States than with China. China's sphere of influence drops as a result of all of this. Ours grows and you cannot underestimate the value of those 10% tariffs. 10% tariffs on the rest of the planet,

that's a lot of money flowing into the United States treasury. And yet the markets of the planet, that's a lot of money flowing into the United States Treasury. And yet the markets loving it yesterday, an improvement over what they thought was coming. All right. In just a moment, we'll bring our guest in. We'll talk to Tim Murtaugh about what he thinks that all was and what he makes of the president's psychology here, how he handles these deals.

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Come on areas there's major There he is Good boy, he's hanging out with us today. All right. That's enough for the major break for now. I'll just be lying there. All right. Let's see.

Let's bring in another great guy. Tim Murtaugh is standing by. Tim Murtaugh was at one time the communications director for the Trump campaign and is with us now. Tim, good to see you again, sir. Good to see you again, sir. See you Vince. And congrats to you being able to work there with major. That's fantastic.

I feel like I'm, you know, second fiddle there to major of course, right? Yeah. You know, and congrats on all your success. Thank you very much. And I, uh, some, some of the people who follow a lot of these politics will realize, and this was just a mistake on my part. I had no idea. I forgot about it. But Major is also the name of Joe Biden's

out of control dog. Oh yeah. Yeah. Major. That's the dog. I think one of the dogs, Major and Commander, these dogs were biting all the Secret Service agents. So I guess what I've proved is it is possible to raise a dog named Major without it being a psychopath. Yeah. Well, I think as I recall, Major recall Major Biden was uninvited, uh, from living at the white house, isn't that, isn't that accurate? I think that's right. They deported him. It's the only deportation they ever did.

The only one, the only deportation that Biden managed was his maniac dog. That's right. Hey, Tim, Tim, uh, let me get your reaction to what happened with the, these tariffs this week and how the president started all of this and how it ended up yesterday. What did you think? You know, my favorite thing of all of this is how the media and the Democrats act like this is a surprise of some kind. You know, Donald Trump has only been talking about the power and use of tariffs for about four decades. And it's as though he was not already president once, because we remember that. I remember anyway,

I don't know how far back the Democrats or the media's memory go, apparently not very far, but he used them to great effect the first time he was president. And when he was running this time around in 2024, he talked about how he was going to defend America's economy, defend American jobs, manufacturing, and all of that, by using tariffs, because he said it over and over again.

America's been getting ripped off for decades, and when I get back into the White House, we're going to attack it again, it's going to stop. That's what he has talked about for eons, and that's what he's doing. And for there to be this general freakout is, to me, the most humorous thing of all, and the end result is we are right back to

where the president always wanted to be which is that China is isolated as you've been talking about the 125 percent tariffs now on on China they are isolated as compared to the rest of the world everyone can see that they are the true bad actors and all these other countries, the EU and dozens of other countries are now at the negotiating table with the United States where they not would not have been had he not taken the action that he has taken over the over the past week or so. So I look at a guy like Chris Murphy, the Democrat from from Connecticut, who's a senator and probably the most embarrassing member of the US Senate, if you ask me. Right.

He's he's angry when the stock market goes down, he's angry when the stock market goes down. He's angry when the stock market goes up. Trump posts on X for the entire world to see, Hey, now would be a good time to buy stocks. And Chris Murphy says, Oh, that's insider trading. That's not insider trade. That he posted it on X truth social, as you just said. So, I mean, I think it's well played by the president.

We'll see where it goes from here. But at this point, it's exactly where he wanted it to end up, I would think. And it was another reminder that he has a unique stomach for this type of action that so much of Washington doesn't. I saw a lot of Republicans were squeamish over all of this. Oh no, what's going to happen? I mean, to the point that, as I mentioned, there were a number of senators who straight up came up with a piece of legislation to try and strip the president's power

to administer these tariffs. People like Tom Tillis in North Carolina, and Susan Collins in Maine, and others, who are acting as if we need to take this away from the president at this moment. What are you doing? You are trying to diminish the hand that he's playing right now.

Yeah, and this is, you know, it's a symptom maybe of the internet age and the, you know, we don't have a 24, what is a 24 hour news cycle, but you know, the news day never ends really. And you know, these, the panicons, as you've recalled that the president has called them, they can't withstand the pressures of a single news cycle

and not even the entire news cycle, but they can't, you know, when the media is calling, say, what are you gonna do about this? And everybody's freaking out, oh my gosh, the stock market is falling, what are you gonna, they can't survive even an afternoon without having to freak out. I mean, my goodness, how, you have to,

this is the long game. President Trump is looking at this as the long game. He is resetting America's place in the global marketplace. It has taken decades to get where we're at, and you're not gonna solve it in the course of a week. I mean, my goodness, he has told everybody for months that this is what he's going to do. And senators freak out through the course of an afternoon.

I mean, get a grip. There were people inside of Trump's orbit who were also disagreeing with each other publicly. I saw Peter Navarro and Elon Musk were kind of batting, going back and forth, sort of attacking each other in public. And I loved, I don't know if you love this too, as a communications guy who's worked in the Trump world, but I loved Caroline Levitt's explanation for all of that. Yeah. So what they disagree. We're the most transparent administration in history. And these guys are allowed to disagree in public. It's perfectly fine. Yeah, as though that's new in Trump world where people disagree with each

other in public. And that's I think that's a way that he does achieve the most desirable outcomes a lot of times is that he absolutely listen people that left loves to call him always a dictator he's an autocrat blah blah blah no this guy listens to every possible opinion he will ask every single person in the room what do you think about this what do you think about this he takes all opinions and he wants people to to have conflict that's the way that you boil things down into what is probably going to end up being the best possible outcome.

So public disagreements are nothing new. And this is another, the media again, they know what drives clicks and all that. And so that's all this is about. And it's all about getting to the right place at the end of the process. And that's where President Trump has said it. So right now we have 125% tariffs on China.

What is as a guy who's seen the president operate up close, what is your advice to Xi Jinping right now? I see that I see all of the Chinese messaging vehicles are saying, we will not yield, we will fight this to the end. Um, what's your advice to Xi, if you could offer him any, uh, pick up the phone. That's what's your advice to G if you could offer him any, uh, pick up the phone. That's what, that's what I would say. Get on the phone with Donald Trump and make a deal because

Donald Trump is not going to bend. He's not, he has had this in his sites for a long time. Um, he has gotten through this far. He got through this, you know, this last week of everybody freaking out, blah, blah, blah. He's not the end goal was to get America a straight deal and to be treated fairly on the world stage and really that begins with China China really is the main sore point here and so the president is not he's got this in his teeth now and he is not gonna let it go and I think

President Xi recognizes that he's having I know that there's an issue of honor and saving face and all that stuff and there and when it comes to when there will be a deal, there will, this is not like some sort of unsolvable problem. There will be a deal. And when that deal comes, there will be an off ramp for president Xi to have a face saving moment and everything's going to work out fine. So just get on the phone. Yeah, that's right.

President Trump will build something to make Xi basically to go back to his people to make it seem like he did something very strong. That's the, that'll be the president's move here. I want to ask you about a different country now, because Tim, I know one of the things that you represent and that you've been focused on is you, you do communications work for Rumble. Yeah. Which of course we're broadcasting on live right now. And Rumble is locking horns. It's not a fight that Rumble asked for, but Canada has been creating problems for Rumble. Tell us what Canada has done to Rumble

and what the current fight is. Yeah, well, Rumble and a news outlet called Rebel News filed suit in Canadian court on Monday. And it all stems from a couple of live events that Rumble and Rebel News were planning and actually held in Toronto in May of last year. And it involved a member of Canadian Parliament and a bunch of officials from the Canadian government. And what they tried to do is that the landlord of the venue where these two events were being held is a Canadian government office.

What they tried to do is they didn't want the rumble and all these nasty conservatives coming in there. Donald Trump Jr. was a featured guest at these two different live events, by the way. We have internal communications of the government officials talking about what are they going to do to try to block these events from happening in advance. They talked about, oh, this is going to draw an undesirable crowd. They didn't like the people. Then they went to the police and said, is there any way that we can present this as going to be a security threat and that there might be violence or an uprising of some kind? And the local police said, no, no, we have no reports of that. There's nothing we can tell you about that. And so what they did was they artificially drove up the costs of security because they hoped that Rumble and Rebel News would just say, oh, that's too expensive. So they charged them these exorbitant security costs in order to, they said, to provide security for the thing in an attempt to scuttle the whole deal. When in fact, the member of parliament, her name is Yara Sachs, she posted on X in public

that she didn't like rebel news because rebel news had been in communication with her opponent in the upcoming election. So it was clearly viewpoint discrimination. It was clearly discriminating against people because of their political views. She didn't want her political opponent being involved in this public thing. They tried to shut it down by hiking security fees.

Well, the joke was on them. They paid the security fees. The events went off without a hitch. Guess what? There was no violence. Nothing happened. Everything was fine. But now they find themselves in court and they're facing being accused of attempts to

violate the freedom of expression freedom of speech Which Canadian citizens have the right to express and that's what a rumble This is not the only time and it's not the only venue young which rumble is once again on the front lines of fighting for free Speech, you know, they're added in Brazil fighting against the Supreme Court judge there. They've taken on China speaking of China again, Russia And even countries that you wouldn't expect Australia, New Zealand, France, all of them coming saying, censor these channels. We don't like what these people are saying. They could come after you next Vince.

Maybe they already have and rumble every single time stares them down and says, we will not, we will not. Rumble for that. And, but you know, what you're describing is all the, all these countries, you know, some of them in South America, but what I've detected and maybe you could speak more on is that it seems like a lot of countries that we think of as Western countries are very much fighting now against civil liberties, that they're very much cracking down on free speech, they're imprisoning their political opponents. These countries are becoming hyper restrictive and and don't like people exercising their voices

in venues like Rumble. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, yes, in South America and Brazil, there's this one Supreme Court Justice, Alexandre de Moraes, who wants to shut down one particular America-based channel because he doesn't like what it says about Brazil politics. And so he wants to censor,

stop people from being able to hear it in Brazil by censoring it worldwide and reach into America and override our first amendment. But it comes from westernized country. Europe is a really prime offender. I think everybody, a lot of people are familiar with the 60 minutes piece that ran a couple of months ago, I guess, when they had a camera accompanying German police breaking down people's doors because they had posted memes that people found offensive. It's illegal in Germany to insult someone. And if you do it online, it's a worse punishment. That's insane. That's insane. The EU with this digital services act that they've passed. They are trying to say that if somebody in America

on rumble or on X or on Facebook anywhere, if somebody posts something on the internet, which of course doesn't have any borders, and it offends the sensitivities, the sensibilities of people in Europe, that they will enact punishment against American-based speech. They cannot reach into American based companies and override our First

Amendment. They just can't do it. And so yeah, it is there is a worldwide error. It's a very authoritarian effort. You know, I think it really it began during COVID. And it has really just picked up steam and maybe it wasn't the real beginning of it. But that's when it became visible when governments actually attempting to stifle speech. And you know, it's the 21st century. I thought we were well beyond this, but no, that's why that's why something like rumble is so important because if rumble doesn't fight the fight, who's going to fight it? Yeah, no.

And we see it all over the place, whether it's in the EU and Brussels or in like the World Economic Forum. These are all of these anti-democratic impulses. They're trying to crush free expression for global control. And this goes right back to what we started talking about, which is the president of the United States, President Trump. In both of his presidencies,

he's been a forceful advocate for nationalism and standing up for the rights of your people. And by extension, J.D. Vance, the vice president, he went to Europe and he dressed them down for their attacks on civil liberties. So the United States has a real opportunity here, and I think it's happening, to lead a restoration of civil liberties under the leadership of President Trump and Vice President Vance.

Now, absolutely. And JD Vance was dead on when he gave that speech in Europe about the Europeans and you can tell he was right by how mad they got about it. I mean when you point out this ludicrous, you wouldn't even really believe that these things are true, but people being arrested in England of all places, if you want to think about the Western culture, you know, the United Kingdom, England, London, England of all places, somebody getting arrested for praying silently on the street.

Praying silently to himself, to herself. It was a middle-aged woman. That is truly a thought crime. There's no other way to describe it. We do not like what's going through your mind, And therefore we're going to arrest you. In England, of all things. And then when you point it out to them, the Europeans go, how dare you? Well, maybe stop acting like authoritarian autocrats.

It's the country that gave us the Magna Carta. Yes. Yes. I mean, George Orwell could scarcely think of things more scary than this. Yes. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Before we let you go, Tim Murtagh, I know there's one other thing that you're very focused on and it has to do with Joe Biden and the threat that he poses, that he did pose as president and now we have the long tails of it to medication in the United States. Can you

tell me what the Biden pill penalty is? What is this? Yeah, it's called the Biden pill penalty. And it was, it was something that Biden and the Democrats inserted into the inflation reduction act. And what it does is it punishes the development of new pill form medicine, you know, like, and they did this with zero Republican votes, by the way, not a single Republican voted for this. And you know what Democrats love to do, they love to pick winners and losers. and they like to use legislation to try to coerce people to behave certain ways, or they try to discourage certain behavior. So they chose to favor one class of medicines over another class.

They liked what are called the large molecule medicines, called biologics, which are basically IV drugs, mostly things that you have to go to the hospital to get through an injection of some sort. They favored those and the government price controls don't set in for them for a while but they made the price controls sooner for pill form medicine what are called small molecule drugs and they're called small molecules because they can cross the blood-brain barrier which means that they can be used to treat mental health

issues or Alzheimer's. And also, of course, we're talking about cancer drugs as well. So that what that means is they favored the large molecule over pills. That means all of the research and development dollars are flooding away from pill medicines. 70% of the research dollars since this was introduced in 2021 have vanished from pill form medicine and they've gone somewhere else, either to the large molecule ones, the biologic or even out of the medicinal field like to AI or to oil or something like that. And the University of Chicago, not some fly by night night school here, did a study and

what this has resulted in in just the last four years since this came about is that 188 different either new drugs and cures or applications of existing drugs went undiscovered because of the Biden pill penalty and that translates into 116 million life years lost off the life expectancies of Americans who are alive today. Are they talking about have you lost years off of your life or me or my family or your family? It's because things are not being discovered.

There are new breakthroughs. Pills are the most affordable, most comfortable thing. People can get them conveniently instead of what they're doing is forcing people not to get the drugs they need, not to have the drugs discovered that they need and force them into much more expensive things. It's bad for the entire healthcare system and makes everything more expensive. Yeah.

All with zero, zero Republican votes. The Congress can fix this in budget reconciliation. They can, okay. So this would be the critical moment for them to consider it. But here's the thing, it's like the government, every time it's put its big fat hands into the medical system, it's gotten more expensive and less healthy. That's just that's been the trend. You know, people are suffering from these chronic diseases. This is why RFK jr is in now. This is

why the president hired him to take care of this, because things have not improved yet. We spend more money on it than anything else. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's the way that they do it, like, like the Green New Deal. It's kind of a parallel to that. They force everything. They use the power of government to try to force everything towards a certain direction. And their purported purpose is, oh, we're going to do this to help the energy industry when of course all it does is wreck it. And you know, this also affects costs in medicines too, because there's no motivation for companies to get in early with generic forms of medicine. And so it doesn't drive down the cost of pills that way.

I mean, if you remember Lipitor, which is a cholesterol drug, now with generics in there, you can get your cholesterol drugs for pennies, really, because of generics. This discourages generics from entering the market. This discourages generics from entering the market. So it raises costs for consumers, it hurts the entire industry, and it puts off people treating things that could be treated with pills until they need something major down the road, which is massively expensive.

And you know what we actually need, the medicine fix we actually need? We need pharmaceuticals made in the United States again. No more buying from China. 90% of the generics that you just referenced, either come from China or India, enough, enough. Bring it back to America. Well, Biden is hindering all of that. Yeah, big time. And so we're still living with the consequences, unfortunately.

Yeah, he's still, he's reaching back from his political grave. From the grave or his real grave, who knows? Tim Murtagh, thank you very much. Really nice to talk to you today. Thank you for all of your wisdom on this subject and so much else. And well done for you that you're doing a great job. Thank you, Tim. Great to talk to you. This is a great Tim Murtaugh, former comms director for the for the Trump campaign. Nice to chat with him today. The chat appreciative of Tim's contributions here. The guy's versatile. He's covered everything for us today. Hey, let me share some great stuff with you. I really, before we close today, I do have to share some hilarious moments

from the news cycle in the last 24 hours. Let me start with cut five. This is Chris Matthews. Chris Matthews was on Morning Joe yesterday talking about Trump's tariffs. And he said, this is crazy what's happening. We were just talking with Tim Martell about Canada. Matthews is saying, hey, this is crazy what's happening. We were just talking with Tim Martell about Canada. Matthews is saying, hey, this is crazy that Trump is imposing tariffs on places like Canada.

What's going to happen if we can't get Canadian lumber? What is America just going to make wood? Listen to Chris Matthews, who's apparently unfamiliar with something called trees. But there's another thing. I watched on the evening news last night, one of the other networks, and I watched the issue of lumber. Now, you see, we get so much of our lumber, our two by fours, from Canada. That's where we get it from. Canada, we get our newsprint from up there for newspapers. The fact is we get it. What are we going to do? Have more lumber

made in the United States now? What is our plan now? Oh, we're not going to import wood. So we're going to make more wood. We're going to create more wood. Is that it? I don't think we are in a position to simply replicate the imports coming into this country with our own products. They can't always be done. And I think if a woods example of that would, are we going to make more wood in this country because of our trade deal? I don't think so. Where does he think wood comes from? Where does Chris Matthews think that wood comes from?

Does he? What does he? Does he think that there are like, you know, like Elvin creatures, fairies or something who are just conjuring wood up in Canada? What does he think this is? What comes from? I hate to break it to you, Chris. It comes from trees. We have entire states that are covered in trees. And by the way, in the United States, we have had a flourishing lumber industry and the president has been saying we need to bring that back. We need to bring that back. For sure. And we need American jobs to thrive. Why are we importing everything from Canada?

So that's a very reasonable concern. And Chris Matthews seems to be shocked. He doesn't even, he's not even aware where wood comes from. He thinks that we need to make wood. The wood is, God takes care of that. Those are the trees, Chris Matthews. Chris Matthews, wasn't he fired by MSNBC? Why are they still having him on? What is going on over there? Okay. Here's another one for you. This is from the the rival left-wing network CNN. They had a town hall last night, not with anybody important, no, with with Bernie flipping Sanders, and it included this really hilarious moment. Watch this.

Senator Bernie Sanders. I wanna introduce Grace Thomas. She's a local civil rights attorney. She's a Democrat, Grace. It's they, them pronouns actually, thank you. Oh. Good evening, Senator Sanders. Polling and turnout data indicate

that men of all racial demographics are turning away from the Democratic Party. But of course- Anderson Cooper says that what does he say? She's a civil rights attorney or whatever. And a person is clearly a woman says it's they then pronouns actually. You see Bernie's face after that. Bernie leaned in. He's like, like he was observing her. Like that's a woman. I'm pretty sure that's a woman. Yes. Bernie's reaction. That is hilarious. I love that. The pronouns. They do this, this a town hall and you get this woman on there,

who's just one of these like typical left wing, middle age white lady lefty scolds. It was like, Oh, it's they then pronounced. Now you're a woman. It's you can't compel your language on anybody else. And Anderson Cooper and Bernie Sanders sat there and they took it. They took it. They were just like, Oh, okay. Whatever you want.

Oh, how pathetic. Uh, how pathetic is that the white house isn't taking it. You see the white house, how they're handling pronouns. This is great. The white house has made an announcement that if any reporter includes pronouns in their signature when they email in their requests for comment, take a look at this. Do not respond. Trump press secretary confirms they ignore reporters with pronouns

in their email signatures. How fun is that? President Trump's press secretary, Caroline Levitt confirmed to a New York Times reporter that it is administration policy for officials to not respond to any individuals, any reporters who have pronouns in their email. According to the Times, Trump administration officials have repeatedly ignored their reporters' requests for comment because they have pronouns in their email signatures. Alongside Levitt, Katie Miller, a senior advisor at the Department of Government Efficiency,

declined to answer another New York Times reporters email after they reportedly included their pronouns in their signature. Quote, as a matter of policy, I don't respond to people who use pronouns in their signatures as it shows they ignore scientific realities and therefore ignore facts. Miller responded according to the New York times. This applies to all reporters who have pronouns in their signature. Miller continued in a separate email. So wonderful, uh, and, uh, well-earned the New York Times putting pronouns in

their signatures and now not getting responses from the Trump administration. If you admit in an email that you are not a fact-based person, why should I treat you as a reporter who's looking to get to the truth? If your signature includes lies, in what world would I believe that you are going to accurately purvey whatever it is that I'm about to share with you if I respond to you?

So of course, if you declare that you're a liar in an email when you request comment, well then I have no incentive to respond to you. You're not gonna tell the truth. You lied to me in this email. Amazing. So that's the Caroline Levitt's response. And it's a great policy.

I love that. The White House reminding everybody that facts matter. Facts really matter. Finally, I want to end with this. I asked you earlier this week whether or not there would be an enterprising reporter who would chase down Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and ask her, do you still own your Tesla? Cut 11, AOC chased down by a great reporter called Nicholas Balacy, who asks her straight up, do you still own the Tesla? Listen to her answer.

I want to ask you real quick, do you see a connection at all between the rhetoric we're hearing from Democrats on Musk and Tesla, connection to the violence at all, what's happening on the streets, to Tesla dealerships? Yeah, I mean, again, like, I've seen Republicans call me a communist and I hate this country. I mean, it's like, it's... Well, those things are true. ...going on. country. I mean, it's like, it's well, those things are true. Power so do you still have your Tesla? I was just wondering if

you still have your Tesla? For security reasons, I'm not commenting, she says, for security. So what is that chat? What is that answer? Is that a yes or a no? For security reasons? I'm not commenting on whether I own the answer? Is that a yes or a no for security reasons? I'm not commenting on whether I own the Tesla. Is that a yes or a no?

That's a yes, that's a yes, she still has it yes, she definitely does, you know for security reasons She can't answer that. You know what she's scared of She doesn't want her neighbors to poop on it She's got the Tesla we have to vandalize it. Great to have you with us today. We'll keep tracking AOC and her ridiculousness and everything else going on in the world. Another great episode of Vince, Steven Crowder up next.