The Dan Bongino Show - Trump Throws Down At The U.N. (Ep. 2601)

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

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All America all the time. Sit down, buckle up, and get ready for the Dan Bongino show. So I think President Trump slayed it yesterday at the UN General Assembly up in New York. I've got some clips from that, but I want to put them in context of why. What exactly did he do with the UN and what political, he has political instincts like no one else, what political tactics and techniques did he use? or inadvertently that I think made this speech so powerful. I think that's an important conversation that was missing from some of the coverage yesterday. Why? Snapshots, soundbites, contrasts.

These are all things we can use going forward as activists. I've got that. However, I do want to cover the other side of this as well, because I want to give you a realistic take going into the midterms of why some people on our side, the Republican side, the MAGIS side, forget the liberals. They They just hate the country and they complain all them. I'm not talking about old Democrats, but the commie left. They just want to see the country bird. Forget them. Why are some people on our side upset despite the factually, objectively,

correct, accurate data that the border's been fixed for the first time in 50-plus years, jobless rates the lowest, poverty rates the lowest, crimes are the lowest? Why are people upset? Understandably, why are some people upset? I'm going to play a clip at the beginning of the show. that I think is one of the best explanations as to why. It's my job to give you both sides. I still think we got a decent shot at the midterms,

but we have to be candid with each other. Some people, and I'm not talking about the Dumeers and Appellate. They have an agenda. I'm talking about regular average everyday working people busting their ass who are like, hey, I just don't feel it. Fair enough. But I'll explain what I think is going on with this clip.

I think it's going to nail it. I just saw, you know, I was just coming in here, guys, due to show. I'm watching TV and a commercial came on for this medication with Monica Sellis. You remember Monica Sellis, the tennis player? I used to work at the U.S. Open for a long time. And I worked there for like five years. I was a crowd control, a security guy.

And I escorted Monica Sellis around once as a young kid. I don't know how old I was like 18. I thought it was like the greatest day of my life. I couldn't believe it. I felt like so important back then. I got a picture with her too. I'm going to find that picture. I'm going to find that picture and put it on the show.

It was like the greatest picture. Look at it. They got a picture with Bonica Sellas. Why am I telling you? I don't know. It's the Bonino Army family. You should know everything. All right, big show for you today.

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I just don't feel it. I don't feel it. I understand. Discount those people at your own peril, because they are us. So I saw this clip from CNBC. It's Ken Langone, entrepreneur, very wealthy guy, very successful guy, a very down-to-earth guy, not a liberal, but, you know, not a MAGA guy, but just generally like, I think he's a right-leaning guy. It's probably a fair characteristic for him. Ken Langome was on CNBC, and he was asked this general question, and he brings up two critical points, I think, are really relevant here in this clip, how, number one, we are a gratification culture that expects excellence.

And this is a compliment, not an insult at all. We expect excellence. We're like the Al Davis, the old L.A. Oakland Raiders under Al David, just win, baby. We want everything. We want to win everything all the time because we're in excellence first culture. So even though we may have 10 really great things or 20 or 100 or a thousand great things going to the election, there are understandably people who are like, okay, fine, but this still isn't happening. And I get that.

Second, he brings up, hey, listen, Congress has to do something to here. The president's not a king. He cannot write legislation. He can only sign it. Executive orders have their limitations. These are really good points. It may help you understand why some people out there are understandably frustrated. Check this out.

How would you grade this past year? I think, generally speaking, history is going to be very kind to Trump. crime, immigration, Middle East. I don't know if he planned it that way, and I think there's some bumps and some hard edges to it. But I think retrospectively, people are gonna look back and say, I'm glad he did this or I'm glad he did. Why do you think right now, though,

at least based on the polls, he's as unpopular as he is? The American people have a mindset that if you have a, that if you have an illness, give me a pill and it goes away in 24 hours. Some of the issues that are being, for example, Congress has as much responsibility with the immigration issue as anybody. Fix the damn law, fix it. So I think the American people have a right to expect more from their elected officials. That's part of the game.

But I also think that he, to take on that day that he sent those two planes, 7,000 miles round trip, whatever it was, to wipe out that seller where they had all the stuff. The best I can say in answer to your question, Andrew, is I think history is going to be kind of. You see, we have a slight jump cut at the end. It's not to deceive you. It's just because we want to sum up his thoughts. So you can watch the whole clip. You'll see, you know, I try to always mention that.

We don't jump cut things to cut out context. I just want to get the whole thought in there. I think Ken Langone is a brilliant guy, and I think he's largely accurate here. I think the history books, when they look at the record outside of the political context of the day, Donald Trump, I mean it from the bottom of, like I tell you, my sometimes broken heart, I think Donald Trump will go down as one of the most consequential and effective results presidents in modern history, if not the most effective in modern U.S. history. Folks, say what you want.

The results speak for themselves. The border is effectively shut down. Deportations are at an all-time high. The crime rates, the lowest it's ever been. The murder rates, the lowest it's ever been. The jobless rates, the lowest it's been in decades. The poverty rates, the lowest it's been in decades. GDP growth appears to be turning around significantly with predictions of 5%.

The regulatory red tape that the government's been hoisting onto the back of American businesses has been lifted. These are real results. No one has been able to produce. him. Foreign policy. There are disagreements on this and different opinions. Fair enough. The bottom line is the Iranian regime, despite the fact that the war has dragged on longer, war is unpredictable, points stipulated. The Iranian regime, please don't make the case to me. The Iranian regime is in a better spot than they were. You can argue all you want. Well, maybe we shouldn't have gotten this point. Fine, fair enough. But please stop the insanity.

The Iranian regime is largely dead, number one. They're losing tens and hundreds of millions of dollars a day. They're going to eventually have to make a deal. And I heard Jessica Tarloff on Fox say yesterday that the Iranians control the Strait of Hormuz. Like what? They absolutely do not. We don't have full control, but the United States has a good amount of control over the straight. Upwards of 80% of the volume is going through there. So moving the embassy to Jerusalem, the Abraham Accords, these are massive generational successes. You don't have to like them, but they are in fact successes. And when we take the dark colored glasses off from the left wing media and tell the real Donald

Trump presidency story, and by the way, it's not done. There are things I know I started and me and cash, you know, that are just about to come out. Like when the four-year record is done and over, I think the record's going to be even more impressive. But I understand if you're working and you're a, you know, you're a glass manufacturer. in Oshkosh. You know, and your profits are down a little bit, and maybe your cost of inputs has gone up.

I understand you're like, hey, I want this fix. Now, I get them. No one in this show is mad at you at all. We totally understand. Who are the voters? It's your choice. I'm just telling you, you have a choice coming up. And the choice is that record I told you,

despite some things that we still need to work on, versus the other side. The defund the police, Democrat Socialists of America, America, confiscatory taxes, government red tape, green new deal left. I mean, you have a choice. It's not a perfect choice, but you have a choice to make. It's your level 10 decision.

Folks, again, I can't say this enough. I think President Trump's record and the way he frames the political debate, he can be discursive in the way he talks at times, and he jumps around a little bit. But I think his effective use of tools, especially yesterday at the UN General Assembly are unparalleled. I don't think anyone gets a message across like him. And what they say?

I hate dumb clichés. The proofs in the pudding, man. He won an electoral college popular vote by modern standards route in the last election. I mean, really, by modern standards, it's hard to win a popular vote. You don't even know who the hell's voting. It's hard to even get close. He won. Yesterday was Trump at its best, at his best.

He uses contrast yesterday at the UN. I'm going to play some quick clips for you. He paints a picture, snapshots and soundbites. People see the world in pictures, soundbites, and snapshots. Folks, people are working for a living. They don't have time to read your 25-page white paper on the marginal effect of capital gains taxes. They know it.

They can figure it out. They're doing things. They're building the world. You've got to make this stuff digestible. Pictures and soundbites, snapshots and soundbites. and paint a contrast always. Help people understand that although everything we've done

hasn't fixed all your problems. And we understand, do never ever, folks, don't crap on your voters, man. A morning Republicans running out there. Again, I'm not talking about the doom and gloom people.

They have an agenda. There are real voters out there who are ticked off. Do not crap on them and talk down to them. That is a huge freaking mistake. The better thing to do is to paint a contrast. I understand that I hear you that those problems have not been fully

remedied. However, here's what we have done. We're going to try and get to those other things. But here's the alternative. If you're not painting the contrast, people aren't going to show up because there's nothing to be afraid of. And I'm telling you there is something to be afraid of. Socialism, tyranny, weaponized government, defund the police, crime in your streets again. We're not going back to that. I'm not going back to that and neither are you. There was so much winning yesterday at the UN. People downplaying this Greenland. deal. This is a huge deal. I don't care about Greenland. I've heard some people say. Fair enough, you should. Because we live in a world of hypersonic missiles, nuclear weapons. We live in a very

dangerous world where if we were with satellite weapons, geospatial space, I mean, freaking like Star Wars is happening in the atmosphere in the upper atmosphere right now. I mean, just read the pieces yourself. Folks, you should care. This was a huge deal. Everyone in the liberal media told us it's all crap, it's nothing. But here's some of the snapshots from yesterday. You probably saw this at the UN. I thought we were told world leaders hate Donald Trump. Donald Trump's a goofball. Everybody's laughing on. Don't look like anyone's laughing there. This is president of the United States, the head of government in Greenland, the prime minister of Denmark, signing a deal. Everybody's clapping and smiling. I thought they all hated

Donald Trump. I thought that's what we were told. Snapshots. Snapshots. Snapshots. Now, in case you're thinking and you're listening to the liberal media, which you should never do that, you should only listen to them for a hefty dose of comic relief, or if you're having a problem and you haven't gone to the bathroom in a while,

they'll help you move it along. That's what the media does. They make you want to throw up and it comes out both ends when you listen to their crap. They told... What are you laughing? That was funny. Sometimes Paula says I'm funny. I don't know that.

It's just not the comedy show, but Paula told me that. I mean, probably just trying to make me feel good. Folks, the prime minister of Denmark yesterday, who again, we were told hates Donald Trump, can't stand him, and we were told disagreement is a big nothing burger, pay no attention to the huge national security implications of basically having the distance to Russia

for a lot of our capabilities, defensive capabilities, and now having basing rights and everything else that are now solidified in perpetuity. We were told it was a small thing. Here's the prime minister at Denmark. Again, we were told hates Donald Trump and that this is not a bigger agreement, telling you in her own words that this is a big agreement. In her words, is she lying to make the liberal media pissed off?

Like, what is it? Here, check this out. Has defended the free world, created prosperity and progress. peace and freedom. And I am very proud to say that in the Kingdom of Denmark, the United States has a friend that has always kept our word, an ally you have always been able to rely on. And this day represents a milestone in our long-standing cooperation. 75 years ago, we entered into an agreement about the defense of Greenland. Today we are signing an even bigger and better agreement, a deal that can last forever.

This deal is good for the United States. It's good for Greenland, for Denmark, for the NATO alliance, and therefore also good for Europe. In other words, we are strengthening our common security, boosting our common deterrence, showing our adversaries who we are and we are doing it together. It's not nothing funny about it. I just like, how many times, folks, yeah, pens down, how many times are you going to be lied to

by the liberal media goon class before you realize you're being lied to and object to it? Do you like being lied to? The liberal media goofballs and the doom and gloom crowd told you this was not a bigger agreement. Everybody hates Donald Trump. That it's all done in 1951 and that was it wrapped up. And Donald Trump is just signing the same old deal over again.

You've got the prime minister of Denmark saying the exact opposite. Greenland's happy. The United States is happy. Denmark is happy. She even says the EU. The European Union is no big fan of Donald Trump. Even they're happy. She says it is a bigger agreement.

The agreement's now in perpetuity. How many freaking times are you going to be lied to before you're like, I don't want to be lied to? To liberal folks who take in liberal media stuff and have to flush the GI tract out of both ends with this crap, I'm just asking you like, at what point are you the dumb ones? They have lied to you over and over and over. The inject bleach hoax, the fine people hoax, the Russia hoax, the impeachment hoax, the impeachment hoax, The Joe Biden doesn't have a cognitive disorder hoax. I mean, the Hunter Biden's a really good dude hoax.

What part of this is going to say, when is the red line for you when you're like, okay, I've had enough? Here's an idea. Just come out and be like, hey, liberal media people, I'm a crazy TDS-infected liberal Karen with green hair, and I really hate Donald Trump. But can you at least give me some valid talking points to object to this deal that actually makes sense other than it's the same deal in 1951 because every time you tell me these talking points, I get humiliated on the air by it. Thank you. Now you see why trust in media is at about

19%. 19. Your only job is to give people facts and eight out of 10 people, 8.1 out of 10 people think you suck. Don't believe anything you say. Like at what point do you just stop the freaking nonsense. Folks, they can't. They can't. No one masters the tactics of politics, so better than this guy. Let me take a quick break. When I say this guy, I mean the president, no disrespect, and then nobody. He paints contrasts. He uses pictures and soundbites better than anyone. It's why he continues to defy the political odds and has changed the Republican Party forever. It's also why traditionally non-Republican voters, union workers, blue-collar workers, black voters, especially. voters, Asian voters, voted for this guy and no other Republican because he's learned a different

way to do it. And it works. And he did it yesterday at the UN. I've got a couple more clips. I've got a lot to get to. So I've got one tweet that's really important for Melissa Chen I want to get to too, which is, don't toy with America, folks. No, I know you know that, but I mean, really, don't toy with American. I don't just mean our military. When it's time, to build stuff and we're under threat, our American industrial machine, there ain't nothing. Like, there's not even a close second. I'll show you what I mean. Quick break.

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Democrats sucks, whatever, making it really simple. Some Democrats just block that out. When you ask him a question, tell me why what Donald Trump did with the Abraham Accords is a bad thing, if you think that. Watch what they do. You're getting to the same point, but you're doing it via different tactic.

Ask a question, avoid assertions. Use pictures and soundbites. We've said it over and over again. If you're explaining too much, you're typically losing. Put it on a Wheaties box, it'll work better, okay? Serial box messaging works the best. Also, contrast. Always paint a contrast.

But you should also do this in international diplomacy, too. President Trump did this yesterday at the United Nations General Assembly. And folks, this was, I think, my humble opinion, This was the most powerful portion of the speech yesterday. Here's President Trump telling the Iranians, hey, man, you could have a really bright future if you get rid of these clowns running the country, the Mullahocracy. But if you don't, and you think you're waiting me out for the midterms,

you're making a really bad bet. And I think with President Trump, he's shown that's a really bad bet. Check this out. I have a big decision to make. Will a deal be made with Iran that lets them rebuild and create a far greater country than it ever was before, maybe one of the greatest in the Middle East or even the world. Or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic and do it quickly, never giving them a chance to kill and destroy people and countries again? Do I drive them

into hell with no chance of survival and no hope of future greatness or generations? But I believe we'll make a deal right after the election because it doesn't make sense for them not to. They're waiting to see how I do in the midterm election. What they don't realize is that I'm not running. I did that already and won in a landslide. We won in a giant landslide and I'll be here for two and a half years. The Republican Party is running and I'll be helping them. But I am not running. I gave absolutely no credence and will not give credence to the election when it comes to Iran. It doesn't even enter my mind. The only thing that does is that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.

Justin's like tripping out in the bubble over there. He's like, are you sending elements for tomorrow's show while today's live show is going on? Yes, I just saw something on X. I was watching while the clip was playing. I really like for tomorrow. It's a Joe Kernan thing with Roe Conna. So you have to stay tuned tomorrow. I love calling Roecon out.

However, however, getting back to this clip and not tomorrow's show, I'm always working, man. I'm always working. I got a little bit of ADHD. I'm not being ridiculous. I do. This is why I keep adding new shows. Radio morning, radio evening, radio drive time, podcast, weekend edition.

I can't stop. I love doing stuff. I love doing stuff. Trump loves doing stuff too. and one of the things he likes to do is tell people who threaten America with death to America is death to you first. How about this? Death to America?

You go first. You get dead quicker. You know when they don't get dead thing comes from? You ever see the movie Miami Vice? Hey, man, I liked it. Some people hated it. The Colin Farrell, Jamie Foxxman. I don't know.

I liked it. A little goofy, but whatever. That stuff would never really happen. But there's that scene at the end, the female cop. She's the hostage taker guys holding a woman hostage. And she's like, I'm going to explain this how it's going to happen. This is going to fire at 3,000 feet per second. And only you're going to get that.

That's where that came from. Donald Trump's thing is you're going to get dead first. And when you're dead, you can't get us dead. Why? Because you're dead and you can't do anything. Now you see the liberal media people. Oh, Trump says this all the time. No, Trump does it too.

I don't understand. This is my. this is my big issue with the doom and gloom crowd and the liberal media on the Iran issue. What is your complaint? I'm not being a tool here, okay? I'm genuinely asking, is your complaint that Donald Trump has done things over there, i.e. taking out their nuclear material and that he's engaged in a decapitation campaign of the leadership and a bombing campaign?

or is your complaint that he said he was going to do it and doesn't do more? It's like you complain about him doing stuff. I can't believe we're in a war where they ran. And then you say, well, he chickens out. We're not in a bigger war where they ran. Like, what's the freaking argument? I'm sincerely asking that question. Because I can't debate you on a topic where you debate both sides.

He's telling them. This is a really bad bet. And he's not kidding. I know this guy well. If you think he's like, oh, yeah, we got midterms, he wouldn't dare do it. Okay, we'll see. All right. You take that you're, it's your head on a platter.

It's not mine. Here was another clip. I got just a couple more. Oh, A, Dirk C in the Rumble chat, live, gifted 50 users Rumble premium man. That's tell you, this fat Barney sharing thing is going to go on and on. I love you guys. That's really nice to you. A, Dirk C, thank you so much.

That's really awesome. premium. That is fantastic. We really love that. Here he was yesterday, President Trump, again, UN General Assembly, absolutely torching UNESCO, which is a component of the UN for something that is completely disrupted global politics. It is the mass migration crisis going on around the world. Folks, I don't want to hear about you. We got sympathies and all the, you know what I have sympathy for? The United States and borders, okay? We are not meant to integrate 20 million new people into a society overnight like Joe Biden wanted. It's not happening, okay?

It's not happening. This problem is happening all over the world, and it has global politics in disarray, everywhere from Germany to Italy to France, all over the world. Here's Donald Trump at the UN, torching the UN, telling them, hey, fellas, ladies,

you better get your crap together here because you're contributing to the problem yourselves. Check this out. It's deeply ironic that the United Nations has an entire institution, the UNESCO group of people and countries devoted to protecting cultural heritage, yet with their ceaseless promotion of mass migration, these globalists are actively destroying the greatest cultures

and most extraordinary heritage in all of history. It's so true. UNESCO in the UN talks about, you know, culture and cultural appropriation, like this DEIs of cultures are all valuable. No, no, ladies and gentlemen, Listen, can we just scrap that, throw that in the garbage right now? There are some cultural practices that are not valuable at all. And you should say that.

Notice I didn't say you should be able to say that. That's built in. You should say that. Cultural practices like child labor, cultural practices like subjugating women, cultural practices like chewing on cot products, drug products all day and being high 90% is not a valuable productive behavior. Just say it. We do not want mass migration from places where these cultural habits, practices, whatever the hell you want to call them, come here. We don't want them.

You can say that. You were a productive citizen of whatever. France, Ghana. I don't care. You want to come here? There's an immigration process. Go through it. If we think you can contribute, we'll give you a looksy.

It's like draft picks. We want a better football team, correct? You want someone in your locker room that always talks about losing, who brings drugs into the locker room or crime? You don't. Why would you want it in your country? Why is any of this even remotely controversial on the left? The answer is it's not.

The answer is it's not. They're nihilists by nature. And one of the quickest ways to destroy the fabric of a country is in fact mass migration. And thankfully, Donald Trump, who's not afraid of stupid media labels, you're a xenophobia. He's like, we've heard it all before, bro. Package it up and shove it. He doesn't care. He went to the UN and right to their face told.

them. You keep talking about culture. You're the ones destroying it through mass migration. Thank you. Have a nice day. One more clip from yesterday. It's a quick one. I'm just going to throw this out there, too. To the current leadership of Cuba, you've been in our backyard for a long time causing a lot of problems. I am a resident of Florida. I have been for over a decade now. You go down to South Florida, ladies and gentlemen, there are a lot of one-issue voters down there, Venezuelans and Cubans, and this is it. They care about everything else, but they vote on this Cuba issue. This is a real problem. Donald Trump has repeatedly warned the Cuban leadership.

I'm not leaving this problem for the next president. You don't have to like it. You may say, oh, we're just going to lead. That's okay. I'm just telling you you're betting against this guy. If you're in the Cuban leadership, you're making a big mistake. He's not kicking a can down the road, whatever dopey cliche is out there. Here he is again warning the Cuban leadership.

not in our backyard, not on my watch. Check this out. The administration is also seeking a fundamental change in the situation in Cuba, where the communist regime is under great pressure, the biggest pressure they've ever been under. It's an absolutely failed state. It's failing like never before, and it will fall. Marco Rubio is handling a negotiation. He's deep into negotiations with Cuba. let's see what happens. We'll not allow a haven for foreign adversaries to threaten America on our own doorstep.

It's right at our doorstep. The Cuban regime has also spent decades coordinating with the left-wing radicals and communist networks here in the United States. I love this in the chat. Sorry, don't mean, you know, I told you have a little ADHD. I love what people in the chat, in the live chat.

You ever see this, Justin, tell us how they don't watch the show anymore. You're in the live. Live chat. The Dumers? I don't listen to the show. You're in the chat. We get this all the time. Remember, we'll get them next month.

And the show's like, what would be, number four in Triton in the country, podcast? We'll definitely get them next month. I'm never watching again. You said that yesterday. Aren't you the same guy we emailed this yesterday? Mottles, laugh at that guy. Baudlees, in the chat. I'm not watching this dumb show.

You're in the show. chat room, bro. Listen, seriously, back to the topic. Cuba, I'm going to move on quick. I'm just telling you, don't toy with this guy. He is not, we'll say, fooling around.

There's another F word I like to. He's not. I'm not telling you, you have to agree with it. You may be an isolationist or I don't even mean that in a negative way. You may say, I don't want anything to do with Cuba. Fair enough. You're allowed your opinion. You are a citizen of a free. Republic. I'm telling you, this guy is going to fix generational problems in the Middle East and in our backyard, and he ain't leaving office without fixing it. On the do not toy with us

narrative timeline here, I saw this tweet up from Melissa Chen yesterday, and it reminded me that you should be very cautious around the world with this America's heyday is over. China's now are going to be a hegemonic power going forward. America's finished. Folks, we've been told this for 250 years of freedom. You see the shirt I'm wearing today, 1776. We've been told this over and over again. Weapons shortages.

We're all in trouble. We're all going to die, Reverend Kainstahl. Really? Read this tweet. Melissa Chen, pretty cool that General Motors was able to retool a car factory to make the outer shells of the Patriot Missiles. They managed to make the delivery to Lockheed just 22 days after signing the contract. 22 days, exclamation points.

Lockheed says this works normally, this usually takes months or years for the previous supplier to fulfill. There's a strain of neoliberal thinking that says if domestic carmakers can't compete, they should just be allowed to fail. No bailouts, just let Japan or China make cars because of comparative advantage or whatever. Imagine if we believe that automobile manufacturing was something to offshore. It's now clear that the argument for preserving. the industrial base is not simply nostalgia for a previous bygone era. It simply is the case that you can't improvise precision manufacturing overnight once it's disappeared.

Folks, I'm going to throw myself under the bus here because unlike some other shows, who always tell you they'll tell you they're always right. I am not right about everything all the time. I have no special superpowers. I was one of these guys who was kind of an absolute free trader, that if someone else can make something overseas cheaper, that we should almost always outside of national defense, take that option. I'm not telling you that's not a good guiding principle now.

It is. We don't want to be making rubber dog toys here if we can get them cheaper from China. Why would we make them more expensive here? People can do we're Americans. We can build other stuff. But I am going to tell you, I definitely took that a little too far. An industrial base that can create high-tech manufacturing,

precision manufacturing, like Melissa Chen just said, antibiotics and valuable medications. Folks, I don't care if China can produce it cheaper. I've completely changed my view. It's not new. I mean, my view changed probably six, seven years ago. And I've said that on the show. We have got to build stuff here

because precision manufacturing, is an existential crisis in the event of some World War scenario or massive cyber attack where we need to rebuild transformers and things like that quickly. Do not toy with us. When the United States needs to build something, Patriot missiles or others, they will find a way to do it in quick because we're not dying first, you're going to die first. And I'm just not going back, folks.

I'm not going back to the days of Democrat leadership in the Biden-Obama era with sub-3 percent GDP growth, open borders, defund the police, you know, build large mansions, also known as Black Lives Matter. We're not protests in the street. Do you remember those days? Again, some of that happened to try to overthrow the Trump administration. But do you remember that in these chaotic blue cities, the chop zone? We're just going to basically let it burn.

No, we're not going back to that. We are not going back to that. We're not going back to open borders, 9% in front. military castration, we're not doing it. We have a choice coming up and you have to paint the contrast to your friends that may be on the fence. Again, don't get mad at them. I'm not saying you're doing this.

Don't lecture them. Some Republican politico is a few, not many, but they're, you know, oh, you guys don't know. That's a terrible approach. Listen to them, hear them out. But say to them, I understand. I understand Republicans may not solve all your problems. but the cause of your problems are unquestionably Democrats.

Over 80% of the inflation you see cooked into your household budget right now was caused by Joe Biden and his economic policies of spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, and just disregard any consequences. That's just a fact. Folks, you have a choice coming up. And I wanted to get to this yesterday, but one of the most powerful things I can tell you is for all the problems the Republican Party has.

And we do. We have problems like anyone else. At least the Republicans run on an agenda. They're willing to back up and they're not generally going to lie to you. I say that because there's a couple chuckleheads out there who will lie to you all the time, who claim our Republican banner. But in general, what the MAGA movement said it was going to do, receipts and coming, right? What the MAGA movement said it was going to do for you, it did.

It did. They were going to make your street safer. They were going to shut the border. and they were going to bring manufacturing just like that Melissa Chen tweet back to the United States. You may not agree with the tariff policy. I don't agree with all of it.

However, one of the consequences of that was a reshoring of manufacturing capabilities. The numbers are right there. You can look them up yourself. We put them on the show a thousand times. The problem with the other side is they lie to you about everything. They tell you they hate school choice,

that they just, they want kids in crappy public schools, but they don't send their own kids there. They tell you how much of the Affordable Care Act is affordable while simultaneously shutting down the government because the Affordable Care Act, it turns out, is not affordable. And the Democrats need basically trillions more dollars over decades to support what was supposed to be the affordable care act. They freaking lie to you all the time.

We're only going to tax the millionaires and billionaires. Do you see that story in the Wall Street Journal the other day? They had a millionaire's tax on new housing construction. All the liberals in Los Angeles were like, get them. Get those, hang them in effigy, those rich bastards. Get them. And what happened? Well, some of these multi-million dollar millionaire homes were really apartment buildings

built for middle class families. That never got built. So rents went up. And who got screwed? the middle class. They lie to you all the time. At least Trump tells you straight, hey, if I have to bomb Iran before the midterms, it's not politically great for me. I understand that. I'm not letting them get us first. Then we're not getting dead first. At least he's honest. This was put up the Wall Street Journal thing. This is Nicole Hannah-Jones. If you haven't seen this

story, it's been covered a lot, but I want to cover it from this angle here. Nicole Hannah-Jones is a far-left radical. She wrote the 16-19. Project, a largely debunked and discredited history of the United States, stating like the United States is slavery is the only thing that really matters. Folks, slavery was a stain on her history. It is not the only thing that matters when you're gauging the history of the United States, okay? The project, the 1619 project was a clown show.

Nicole Hannah-Jones, who is one of these far-left liberals, sent her kid to a crappy public school because she was like, well, you know, I got to practice what I preach. year. Well, what happened? Finally, you get a liberal who does what she said she's going to do. Her child apparently grew agitated, it's covered by James Freeman in the Wall Street Journal, and said to her mom, you know what I'm talking about when she asked her mom, hey, mom, did you knowingly send me to a bad school? The child says, we looked up our school. We saw the test scores. We saw the ratings. The child ticked off the schools below state average reading and

mass scores and ranked poorly on a popular school rating website. I said I was aware of her school's academic rankings, Nicole Hannah-Jones, right? But that the test scores alone do not define a school. Ladies and gentlemen, we're getting back to this crap again, where you see these people lying to you all the time. They lie to you and they even lie to themselves and their own kids sometimes when they practice this pernicious ideology, the most powerful line in Nicole Hannah-Jones' piece is the child saying, mom, did you know you sent me to a bad school? And the answer is yes. And they want to send

your kid to a bad school to. That's how crazy this contrast is in this upcoming election. Do you want these people in charge? Do you want these people in charge? You know Sonny Hosten from the view? I used to know Sonny. She had she was somewhat reasonable back in, she's now gone completely crazy on the view. Here she is. Apparently, I don't know, she's never been to high school where they were mean girls. She sends her kid to this, you know, white, her characterization of it, you know, wealthy school, because again, at least like Nicole Hannah-Jones, like, followed through and screwed over her own family to, hey, she believes it so much, she's willing to sabotage her own kid's livelihood. Sonny's not. Sunny's a big believer in a public school

system, except her kid goes to a largely white school. Listen to her characterizations. Big racist place. They called her butterface. This is her line, not mine. Have you ever been to high school. She's claiming, oh, it's racist and all this. But then she says the kid did very well. Have you filed an incident report, Sonny? Have you called the police about these civil rights violations? You cannot have these people in charge, folks. And then she says that there's a big funding difference between largely black schools and largely white schools. Really? Well, we looked at up. That's not true either. They always lie to you. Check this out. I sent my children to private schools, a predominantly white private school.

And so while they didn't suffer academically, they excelled. It was a well-funded school, a private school, well-resourced school. They suffered a different type of pain. There was psychological trauma. There was racism that they experienced. They were bullied. There was trauma around their identity. My daughter wears a big afro.

Kids were trying to stick pencils in her hair. men, boys were calling her butter face, meaning she looked good but her face. And she's a beautiful girl. So she struggled, my kids struggled in a predominantly white environment, but they did not struggle academically. So I think the real question here is nationally, schools in predominantly non-white districts receive $23 billion less in annual funding than their white counterparts, underfunded schools versus well-funded schools.

Folks, do you want these lunatics in charge? Sonny, if you're claiming there was some big racist incident, go file some police report or whatever. Because I guarantee you what they investigated. They're going to find out that that stuff happens in high school. Butterfave, have you never heard that expression before? Everything's great. You've never heard that before?

Is the first, did you have that explained to you? It's the first time you heard it? Folks, she throws out a big assertion there. She says, oh, my kid excelled in this largely white school. Racist, everybody, right? How'd she excel? And then she says, you know, there's this discrimination going on money. Really?

Folks, I just put it in chat, GPT. You can look it up yourself. Is there a national funding difference from primarily minority public schools versus largely white public schools? An Urban Institute analysis found that in most states, black students attended schools with higher, higher, higher average school level expenditures than white students within the large districts it studied. Only seven states showed higher average school spending for white students and black students.

There it is. Right there. You can see it yourself. They just make this stuff up. They lie to you all the time. New York City spends about $40,000 per student. Now, where would she get that from? because this is what they do.

They take a nugget of information and then they lie to you. So chat GPT notes. A more accurate summary is predominantly minority districts receive less state and local funding nationally on average, but it's not true that every predominantly minority individual school receives less money

than a predominantly white school because you're factoring out other funding factors. That's what they do. They lie to you all the time. Folks, you have a choice coming up. President Trump, who throws down at the UN, tells you politically unpopular things, At least he tells a truth so you know what you're voting for, or the liberal media and the liberal progressive commie class that lies to you about everything.

Remember when we heard about the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare, how it was going to be more affordable, no one's plan was going to be canceled, and none of that turned out to be true. It's turned out to the explosion. I can't, you know, I never mock or downplay the concerns of our voters. But mocking liberals is easy. Liberals complaining about health care. This is my number one issue. You know, I'm Johnny Greenhair going into the election. Health care is my number one issue, the cost of health care.

You understand Obamacare's the law, right? It was actually called the Affordable Care Act. Do you think it's not called the TCA, the Trump Care Act, or the McCain Care Act, or the Romney Care Act. It's the Affordable Care Act named Obamacare. your bill sucks and now we find out yesterday thanks to the government the trump governments work on fraud that there's something like 750, 760, I'm sorry 760,000 people fraudulently enrolled in Obamacare costing us billions of dollars a year I thought this was painted as something you know this was the Mount Olympus of health care legislative proposals the affordable care is going to be cheaper

Nobody's plan is going to be canceled. Everybody's going to get high quality health care. And none of that. None of that's happening. They lie to you all the time. Some of the people on Obamacare fraudulently didn't even know they were on Obamacare. Folks, this republic, this beautiful republic we have, is based on mutual trust. And I don't mean like that in a trust me, bro.

I mean it chronologically over time. if trust in institutions completely collapses, even when the good guys are in charge, folks, you don't have a republic. I think that's pretty self-evident. You cannot have a republic based on basically a piece of paper, parchment, the Constitution, if nobody believes in it.

You can't have a tree house with treehouse rules with your friends if nobody pays attention to the rules. You don't have a club then. you have a suggestion. And the Constitution was never meant to be a suggestion. I say that because we're in a really dangerous place. And this is where I see the most damage being done by the Black Pill Dumer crowd, liberal media commie symbiosis.

They're all in the same tent, the nihilistic tent where they want to destroy this whole thing. It reminds me of that tool song, one great big festering neon distraction. I have a suggestion to keep you all occupied, like learn to swim. you know. This is, they want to just destroy the whole thing. I am not a nihilist, folks.

I want to conserve the good parts of the Republican, throw away the bad ones. And one of the best components of our legal system, which is flawed, but the least flawed of systems around the world is trial by jury. Folks, this Lindsay Clancy post-mistrial debacle is going to absolutely decimate

the American's faith in the American's faith in the American's faith in the legal system, if this continues. What happened? Jonathan Turley, who's a very good legal analyst on Fox, have you seen what this poor guy? He is the one lone, he's male and black, which surprised liberals. And he was the one holdout

who wanted to get a guilty verdict for Lindsay Clancy. For those of you who missed the trial, it was a subject in the news, killed her three children. This guy said, I'm looking for basically a guilty verdict or some kind of verdict that implies guilt. Eleven others wanted to let her off by a reason of insanity or others.

He's on a jury. It is a public service. Now it turns out that here's Jonathan Turley's blog, quote, defense attorney Kevin Reddington, Kevin Reddington, this is Clancy's attorney, appears to be moving from zealous advocacy to virtual stalking in the Lindsay Clancy case. Reddington is seeking phone records,

surveillance, and criminal records of, I don't know who mentioned his name. but the now unidentified juror, the now identified juror who held out in the 11 to one hung jury decision. We're now doxing these guys? Folks, this is a bigger issue than a Lindsay Clancy case. This is about the future of the republic. Who the hell is going to serve on a jury right now? This is why I posted this on X the other day.

Gosh, please, man. read what I posted the other day. We have got to stop this mob mentality where people or don't get due process. Good guys or bad guys. It doesn't matter where people don't get due process. And people try. I'm not telling you not to have an opinion. Okay.

Stop right there on Twitter about any case. But intimidating people, doxing people, doxing innocent people, falsely defaming people on X, creating like a public safety crisis, no one's going to want to serve on a jury anymore. How are you going to have a republic where the average guy who would give an unbiased opinion is like, I don't want anything to do with this. Because if I don't agree with the liberal Karen's on this jury,

I'm going to get docs too, fired for my job, crazy showing up at my house. Folks, this clancy thing is insane. It's not just that. when I talk about a republic being built on mutual trust there has to be an element of trust folks the Constitution does not have tentacles that go out and grab you if you violate it

if we don't believe in the document the whole thing falls apart and you have anarchy we have due process provisions in the Constitution written in there in our Bill of Rights part of due process is not having a jury full of liberal carins. They're doing this on purpose

because they want mob rule on X and Twitter and TikTok. That's what they want. This is not an accident. You know, also, I was a big proponent of the SAVE Act, so were many of you. It's the one, yes, I agree with you, failure we couldn't get through. I wish they would have.

It would have changed the whole electoral dynamic. I'm not telling you to vote Democrat because of it. I'm just telling you it would have changed the entire electoral dynamic in the midterms. they didn't get it done. The Republic, if we don't have a jury system, will collapse. The Republic, if we don't believe the outcome of elections, will collapse too. And I want to show something to you.

I don't typically make, you know this. If you've been here a while, you know it. But if you're new to the show, I don't like making the show about me. But I think in some cases, it's important to prove bona fides, because I got a lot of people out there who just are just generally envious of this show and they hate this show, that they don't understand. like I've been through these fights like I've done what you only talk about. When Twitter was banning people, I was the first pool of people that were blacklisted.

Look it up. When YouTube and Google ads were banning people, I was banned. When it came to running for office and standing up for stuff in a blue state, I did it. So when it comes to election security and integrity, I don't know if many you know this, there were some of those issues in my election. I want to show you why I'm bringing this up first. A really shocking new report, not shocking. to you, but shocking that the left-wing media is actually covering this.

By Reuters came out yesterday. It's this. This is just stunning. 30,000 mistakes. How red and blue states added non-citizens to the voter rolls. September 23rd, 2026. Reuters. A lot of you in the chat, right, are saying, hello, Captain obvious.

We've been warning about this for years. I know. To liberals out there, whether it's the same, Act or some other iteration that's going forward. I'm telling you right now, you're not going to have a republic either of people entirely lose faith in elections. Well, Dan, what have you done? Okay, I'll show you. A lot of you don't know this. I ran for Congress in Maryland District 6, finished closer than anyone's ever finished in that district. I lost that race by only 2,000 votes, one percentage point. And on election day, we actually won the voter count on election day. Here's the old CBS News from

2014. Rep. Delaney beats Bongino in Maryland's 6th Congressional District. Well, I was informed by someone that although we lost by about 2,000 votes, that there were about 10 to 15,000 people who were registered to vote on the voter rolls at the time who shouldn't have been there, who claimed they were non-citizens when summoned for jury duty. CBS notes, Bongino raised the possibility that it was a civil lawsuit. We didn't file it. Someone else did. Bonino raised the possibility a pending civil lawsuit alleging voter fraud could affect the outcome of the race. The lawsuit filed by activists in Baltimore

contends they found evidence of non-U.S. citizens registered to vote in Frederick County and asserts the same situation exists statewide. Now do you know why I'm so passionate about this? Here was from the Maryland Daily Record. The State Board of Elections even, this is, I'm sorry, CBS. The State Board of Elections even acknowledged the possibility that some non-citizens have voted since state and local election boards have no system for verifying the citizenship of voter registration applicants.

Why have I been fighting for this forever? Because this is freaking 2014 over 10 years ago when it affected me. I'm the Bongino in the CBS News headline. This is a snippet from the Daily Record taken from AI, another piece out there. They filed the federal lawsuit shortly before the election. They cross-referenced jury records, people who had said under penalty of perjury, they were not U.S. citizens with voter registration records. The suit alleged some of those individuals remain.

registered and had voted in prior elections. It affected me. Now do you see why I openly mock the Dumers and Pillars Green with envy over the show? What have you done? The answer is, what have you done? This affected me. If we would have had more money and more volunteers, we didn't have a lot of money back then.

We would have been able to take it further and we just didn't have the resources to do it. And the National Republican Party had bailed on the race. I was surprised we got that close. We had almost no help. The only one who helped us, with Mike Lee and Rand Paul at the time. That was it.

So please, spare me the lectures about that the reason I fight for this stuff is because I was involved too. There's no more skin in the game than your own personal race where this happens. All right, I got a great interview for you coming up. I really hope you stay tuned for this. Alex Epstein, he's a really great guy, is the author of a book, Fossil Futures. He is one of the best commentators about AI. and I know you're going to like this interview

because we hit all, all of the top line points. Is the doom scenario going to happen? The gloom scenario? Is the utopia scenario going to happen? What about a universal basic income? Stay tuned for that. First, we always pick a comment of the day. How do you win the comment of the day?

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Yes. Oh, I don't even need to leave. Okay. Let me plug back in. Yes. Sandra Holman, one, two, three. For those of you who know the fresca joke, that thing was sitting in the fridge.

Was that Andy one? I don't even know it was there. But yes, and now it's on the shelf. If you were there that day, the fresca has not gone away. And by the way, the comment of the day, we couldn't have staged that because we don't know the comment of the day until the end of the show. So thank you, Sandra Holman. Congrats on that.

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Must be 18 or over. Purchase and shipping restrictions vary by state municipality. go to burn a.com to check availability at your location. Welcome to the show, Alex Epstein. He's the author of Fossil Future. You should pick it up. He's discussed a lot of topics. I've seen him on X.

I think we've spoken before. I always appreciate your commentary. We have. And I saw you on X on a video clip. You know, everything's video clips these days. And I was like, wow, a guy who's using reason to digest the whole current debate about AI, who's not a domer, but he's. who's not into all the utopian fairy tales either.

So I thought a fair way to address this is, let's get the bad news out of the way first, the doomer scenario. And some of this stuff may be valid warnings, and I don't disregard that. I'm just not a doom and gloom guy. But we've been told about artificial intelligence, Alex, that, you know, the bot swarms are going to be out of control. There's going to be massive attacks on everything from nuclear plants to industrial control systems to water supplies.

We're not going to be able to stop any of it. China's going to beat us. Task management's going to be out of control. They're not going to be able to stop doing a task because they have no morals, even if they do things immorally. I don't buy the Duma scenario. I appreciate the warnings, however. What's your take on that?

What's a more realistic approach to this? So I think the first thing is we need to separate out different kinds of threats. One of the issues with the whole Dumer thing is they just try to get you scared about everything and they blend all sorts of different issues together. And when that happens, people feel very helpless, right? They feel fear. They feel helplessness. And then they feel submission, which I think is part of the goal of the Dumerer scenarios is for people to say, hey, you're scared. You don't know what any of this stuff means. You don't know what recursive self-improvement means. You can't follow this. But we know, and even if there's a 10% chance

of everyone dying, like that's obviously way too much. So just put us in charge. So one thing to just capture about this dumer scenarios, they're not clearly laying out, okay, there's these three threats, and here's how this one could work, and here's how this one could work, and here's how this one could work. They're just sort of blending it all together. So let's talk about the two basic threats. The two basic threats are deliberate harm using AI, and then accidental harm using AI. So deliberate harm, which is a bad actor abusing a new technology that gives a new level of capability to harm us. This could be just China attacking us militarily using AI. That's a pretty straightforward thing. And so if you're talking about a bot swarm, it could be somebody trying

to create a bot swarm deliberately. The other thing is accidental harm. So accidental harm is somebody's using AI to pursue maybe a good goal, but the AI inadvertently, from the person's perspective, does something bad. So for example, like there is a guy running an agent to get him into a gym, and he said, hey, can you get me into this class? And then the agent, even though he didn't want to do this, got somebody else off the waiting list to put him near the top of the waiting list. He's like, well, I didn't want that, right? That was inadvertent. And so if you think of terms of deliberate harms and accidental harms, two things become clear. One is you can't solve this by reducing your capability because bad actors will get more

capability. Right? So the only way to deal with bad actors having this, cyber, you know, cyber attackers, terrorists, et cetera, is the good people need to lead. So there's no such thing is, hey, we're going to regulate the hell out of this to be safe because you can't be safe because a loss of capability empowers the bad actors and endangers you. By the way, also with the accidents, deliberate attacks also lead to accidents. Like there's no reason somebody could be trying to hacking it into the gym, but then the agent could commit identity theft. Like even if they wanted to hack into the gym, you can have accidents on top of deliberate harm. So the question is, what do you do about this? But you obviously can't lose your capability, right? So what we're

really need to do is have the basic principle of liability, which is, hey, if you create something that does harm, then you are liable for this. And this is actually what a lot of the AI CEOs are afraid of. They don't want liability. They don't want a rights-based system where if you violate someone's rights or threaten them, you get punished. They want a permissions-based system where you do exactly what the government says to allegedly be safe, and then you're exempt from liability. So yet we need to have the most capability to deal with the deliberate attacks, and we need liability to caution against accidental attacks. And then I would just finally add, the more capable we are with AI,

the more we can control it. We can get into more depth into that. But there's a lot of ways to control these accidental attacks because AI is not this demon or God that has any interest or is trying to kill us. It's just a powerful tool that we need to control properly. That's a really great way to sum it up. I think I'll use that going forward. I'll footnote it to you, but the deliberate versus accidental.

And the product liability model we've had in the United States, you know, a lot of people would argue maybe it's gone too far. People can sue for anything. But there's no doubt. We need to do certain, yeah, for sure, you're right. And I'm putting out a piece on this very soon on this issue. Yeah, we need to reform liability in multiple ways. It needs to expand in certain ways to accommodate AI, but also we need to stop its abuse by,

you know, out of control lawyers for sure. Right. Right, but there's simply no doubt. And again, that's a whole, me and you could do an entire show on liability laws, a tort system, you know, arbitration versus, you know, the civil tort system. However, there's really no doubt it does have companies kind of hyper responsive to consumer needs and faults in their price. No doubt, but no one wants to lose their company.

You just don't. If you do, you're a darn fool. The CEO is going to get fired. Company's going to be out of business. The stock's going to get crushed. So we discussed kind of kind of some of the contours of the doom. in gloom scenario. And again, I don't in any way mean to downplay the very real risks as this product. It's no different than nuclear energy or electricity, flight when it started. I get that.

But on the other side, I tend to think positively about this technology. Human beings have always figured it out in the end. But the utopian scenario is very rosy. Not all of this stuff is going to happen right away. But even if we see a fraction of it, it could be a really incredible new world. Some of the stuff that may be very quickly in our pipeline. Cures for diseases that have just been intractable, things like cancer, you know, hepatitis, you know, new medical technology, a couple other things. Agents just freeing up people's time. I'll put up a tweet on the screen now from a Peter Diamantes about how a couple hours

a day freed up because agents are doing tasks you would have done. Those two hours, Alex, people could start a business. They could, you know, go see a kid's volleyball. game. Some people are going to sit on the couch and do nothing. But even if 10% of people get two hours a day back, that's 730 hours a year. Just a couple more quick ones. Advances in material sciences, superconductors for electricity, saving electricity costs, farming technology, water usage. I mean, even the liberal greenies who tell you the world's going to end. I know it's a topic you and I focused on in the past. Why would you not be interested in new energy technologies

that'll supposedly solve this problem? So there's an element of that, even if 10% of that was to happen, it could be an incredible new world. Yes. Again, I think there's some clarity we can add here in terms of, let's think about what does AI do, and this helps us think about both potential benefits and potential negatives. So really what AI is doing is it's like a mental work assistant.

So it assists us with mental work, and it does three basic types of assistants. One is it can teach us. So we can see if you use chat GPT or Claude, it's very good at giving you a custom lesson on any topic that exists. as long as there's something that's not quite as good at, but in general, teaching knowledge and increasingly teaching skills,

which is very important for the job issue, it's incredibly good at. It is also very, very good at advising people. So you have a specific situation that requires expert advice. It's very good at synthesizing a lot of expert advice and helping you with the situation. It could be a medical situation, could be a legal situation, et cetera. And then it's very, and then the third thing,

which is where a lot of the task stuff comes in, which it's not as good at yet, is doing. So actually performing certain things like write this essay for me. But if you just take the teaching and advising, one perspective is this is what rich people pay a ton of money for, right? They have custom teachers and custom advisors. You look at some of the leading medical clinics in the world. I know of one that charges $200,000. I'm not a client, by the way, I can't afford it, but $200,000 a patient.

And they don't even see the people in person. So it's pure advice. So teaching and advice in particular are just unbelievably unbelievable. valuable, and we should be taking full advantage of that, and that can lead to lots and lots of amplification of our abilities. AI is amplified intelligence, not artificial intelligence. It depends on us for various reasons, not a replacement for us. And with the doing, I hope we get that faster than it's actually happening. I mean, I use a lot of AI. I have my own custom AI. I use this all the time, and AI is very good for what I do, which is mostly textual.

Like the thing with AI, it's just like an employee. It's only worth the management cost if it's that can do the task at a level that meets or exceeds your expectations, and you can handle the error profile. So if the errors are reversible, if you can recognize them and they're at a low enough rate, then yeah, AI can be pretty good at tasks. But what people are finding is you need to be really careful about that, because if you just try to throw problems at AI, just like an incompetent employee, you just incur these huge management costs as well as paying for the thing in the form of tokens. And it's a disaster. So I'm optimistic very fundamentally about the teaching and advising, and I think it's getting better and better at doing.

And for me, it can't come soon enough because most people are incredibly poor in terms of their access to mental work. Like, if you know enough rich people, a lot of what they pay for is mental work, a lot of what they have at their disposal is mental work. And so for you to have a very capable mental assistant or mental assistance is going to make your life way better

in ways that are hard for most people to imagine. That's really such a great point. We're talking to Alex Epstein, author of Fossil Future, check it out. You discusses energy topics lately AI. Alex, you mentioned reversibility. I think that's critical. There was an article in the Wall Street Journal last week about that, how it's probably not a good idea to give, say, AI full control of airplanes with no human pilots. One, people are just not going to be comfortable with that.

They may be someday, but they're not right now. And the hard reality is without a human override and a human intermediary in the system, if the AI were to somehow make a faulty decision and you have a black swan event, there's no coming back from it. It's not reversible because you're dead. And people don't want to be dead. So the reversibility component is key. But the productivity enhancements, even at a basic level, from even first-gen AI, and we're way beyond that now, are incredible.

I'll give you a quick example from my show. Productivity, or the ability to obviously create stuff for the audience, products, GDP, what we call gross domestic product as a collective measure, is the ability to use either the same amount of inputs to produce more output or to produce the same output, cheaper and less inputs. During our show, sometimes it'll take me seriously up to a half an hour or more to find an old article. I did it in today's show. I was looking for an article about my congressional election. It would have taken me an hour to find that. You would have had to scroll through 30 pages of

Google to get to it. I just asked AI the question in, I don't know, a second or two. Everything came out right there, screenshot right on the screen. My producers use an AI agent to check over the ads, make sure the websites work, make sure the text is right in the spots. If it saves a half an hour to an hour a day, the cumulative effect over time allows you to produce the same or more output with far fewer inputs. And it doesn't cost me human jobs either because I still need the guys in the end to kind of double check to work.

Yeah, I think these are great examples. I mean, let me entertain for a second the utopian scenario in a certain sense. And you can think of this as AI assistance become omnipotent, as in they can do any kind of tasks that we do really, really well. Because people are afraid of that. I think that's nowhere near possible. I wish we got a lot closer to that than we will in the near future. But if AI is omnicompetent, basically what that means is everybody has the level of mental

assistance at their disposal that Elon Musk does now, right? And so what happens when you have an enormous amount of mental assistance to the point that you're just unbelievably productive? What happens is you get to choose exactly what kind of work you want to do and how much. Elon says, I'm a volunteer, and that's very true. He doesn't not need to work to survive, but he can choose the work that he wants to do. And if we have omnipotent AI, that means everyone can just choose how they want to work. They won't be bound by the need to provide for their survival. So if you want to become a self-sustaining farmer, AI is going to make that a lot easier.

If you want to work five hours a week, if you want to work 50 hours a week, you can do whatever you want. People have a really fulfilling lives doing voluntary work that's still creating value, even if they're not competing on the market. So this idea that we should be afraid of AI becoming omnicompetent, in a world, by the way, where people are incredibly poor, like most people who make a million dollars a year don't think they make nearly enough money and they have way more uses for it.

But that's 50 times the purchasing power of the average person around the world. AI has barely made a dent in GDP. Like, what are we talking about that we're afraid that it's going to make us too productive? People have no idea that if it makes us all productive, then we have so much choice over our life, including choice over the most meaningful work and how much time we want to spend on that versus other things.

Talking to Alex Epstein, author of the book Fossil Future. Alex, I know you're a big advocate for political freedom and liberty, obviously, but I think one of the effects of AI that's not discussed enough, and we're going to discuss it right now, is the potential effect it has on totalitarianism around the world. If functioning AI tells the truth, which is the only way for an AI, you give it bad inputs,

you're going to get crap output, and the AI's going to be useless. I know you see where I'm going with this with China. China has a real problem on its hands. I think the China argument's been framed completely incorrectly by people. Oh, China's just going to go for broke. No, they're not.

I promise you. China did not go for broke with the Internet. They had the great wall firewall to prevent people from seeking the truth. China has a bigger problem than the United States, which is if artificial intelligence starts answering questions to the average Chinese citizen about Tiananmen Square and the hundreds of millions of dead in the Holodomor and other effects of socialism, China's got a real problem.

AI could do real significant damage to propaganda-based totalitarianism around the world if it's allowed to flourish correctly. I think it's a great argument. I hadn't thought about that much, but that's a really great argument. I mean, in general, you just need to think about. So, yeah, AI functions much, much better when it's programmed well. And if you compare AI's objectivity, so to speak, with the mainstream media or the right-wing media or the left-wing media, it's miles ahead of all those other things.

I mean, it's so much better. If you ask ChatGPT about the news versus you look at Fox or CNN or something, it's way better than everything at this point already, even with whatever biases it has in there. And in part, because to function really well, it has to in certain ways adhere to reality. And so by default, I think it's going to make us a lot smarter. Another thing, by the way, people are afraid AI is going to make you dumb,

but AI is an assistant. The people who have the most sophisticated assistance need to learn the most because you need to know how to direct the assistance and how to evaluate their output. So again, Elon Musk, not that I'm the biggest fan. He lies a lot of bad energy, but he's great in a lot of ways. Does he know a lot or a little? Because he has all these assistance. Does Mark Zuckerberg know a lot or a little? You know, the best entrepreneurs, Peter Thiel says, are polymats. Like, they know about everything. And with AI, a lot of us are going to become a lot more polymats because we can learn a lot more quickly. And to make use of the assistance, we need to have a much broader range of knowledge to actually decide what to do and whether we're

happy with what it did. We're talking to Alex Epstein, author of Fossil Future. Alex, when you're selling a new product or a service in a free market economy anywhere, marketing is obviously a huge component that you have entire departments at big companies, hundreds, thousands of people, how do we sell the product, how do we message it, how do you make a pet rock, attractive. How do you differentiate our gasoline from other gasoline? These are real questions. I mean, billions of dollars are spent on this. I can make a strong case to you. One of the reasons I'm not mad at all at the doom and gloom crowd, I'm not mad at all, is because some of the AI Titans did this to themselves.

I mean, really, going out at college graduations and commencement ceremonies and telling kids out there, get on the train, man, or we're running you down, and you're all going to lose your job. One, it's not based in the jobs data at all. I showed a Wall Street Journal article citing jobs data. That's not shown in the jobs data at all. They're not mass layoffs from AI. Quite the contrary. I mean, it has to be one of the dumbest marketing pitches I've ever heard.

I think it was just chest puffing, bravado, look how powerful we are. But it had a real effect. And I think that's why you're getting a lot of this black cloud stuff. Yeah, it's really interesting what motivates it. Because you said it's hard to imagine a worse marketing strategy. I mean, you know, I come a lot from. studying fossil fuels. And that industry was terrible. But nothing compared to the AI leaders in terms of saying, hey, we've got a product. It's going to take away your livelihood. And it might end up

going rogue and decide to kill you. Right. And I do think part of the issue is, philosophically, some of these people have what you could call AI animism, which is they really believe that AI is somehow a separate conscious being, that if it becomes, quote, intelligent enough, it's going to develop, its interest will contradict ours and it'll harm us. And so let's just be really clear. AI is computers connected to human systems, to each other and to human systems. Like it's computers running software. Now, it's unbelievable computers running software, and the LLM software is an unbelievable

breakthrough. What it basically does is it allows computers to take open-ended instructions, which is never really possible before. Like before, you just had to have something that was pre-specified by a programmer, and the computer could do that. Now you can have something that no programmer ever specified, but because of the magic of token guessing, the LLM can figure out something, again, that nobody pre-programmed. Like, that's amazing. And there are certain ways we need to control it, that we didn't need to control previous computers. But it's still just computers connected to other computers connected to human systems.

And so we need to responsibly configure those computers. And we need to responsibly connect those computers, but stop acting like it's a being that has any interest or any consciousness that's totally screwing up everybody's thinking, including the leaders of AI. Like they talk about model welfare, like the welfare, like the model has feelings and anthropics talking about the model's feelings. This is so detrimental to their own thinking, and I think thus their thing. And then they don't know anything about economics. And so everyone who doesn't know about economics just always assumes that when they have a

powerful technology, nobody's going to have a job, even though, again, the world is incredibly poor, and it's incredibly hard to make a dent in productivity, so we should hope for, like, a two-xing of productivity in the near future. And then we still have infinite needs and wants. That's such a brilliant point about how we tend to humanize these things. It's inevitable. It's hard. Even I do it sometimes we talk about it in terms of motivation and this was evil and it hacked and it didn't. No, it's completing a task designed by humans where they just didn't have the guardrails right. It's really that simple. It didn't do anything. It's just following basic instructions. It's not a human being. In closing, I wanted to ask about this. And I don't know your opinion on

this at all. When we asked you to come on, I told you we would discuss it. But universal basic income, there is a theory out there that we are going to enter an era of untold prosperity. And gosh, I hope that's true. And we've been told, though, throughout human history with every new revolution, the Industrial Revolution, you know, the Sabo, with the Sabo, where Sabot, with the shoe machines. People aren't going to be able to do it. They're going to be bored. All of these new technologies, people are just going to sit around.

Human beings have always found things to do because we're human beings. We need meaning in our lives, okay? Yeah, there are some people who are just going to be lazy, but that's a very small portion of the population. I think a universal basic income is a horrendous idea, not on the economics of it. And we may be so wealthy that we could afford that. That's not the point.

The point is I think it steals from people. And I use that word deliberately. It steals from people the motivation to want to do what human beings do, which is to go into the world and make the world a better place with your valuable skill set. I don't mean that as some dumb cliche. Everybody has that capability. I think the UBI, universal basic income, paying people for basically nothing is a really awful idea. Yeah.

Under any imaginable scenario, any plausible scenario, I completely agree. I mean, you have to think of AI as a, it's the most general purpose empowerment tool of any technology, basically. I mean, it's, again, it's immediate effects are like teaching poor people how to program in the poorest parts of the world. It's the ultimate empowerment thing. And once we get robots involved, it'll make you everyone a lot more powerful individually, which means a lot more productive, which means you're going to be able to do more valuable stuff on the market. So what we need to be focused on is an AI ethic of entrepreneurialism. And here, I'll say something controversial. I think with the whole global competition thing, America took very much a victim attitude.

And it's like, hey, all these poor people around the world who want to make a better life and compete with us, screw them. I want to do the exact same thing, the exact same way. And oh, by the way, passed totally irrational environmental controls that make it impossible to do anything industrial here. But we should just be free from all foreign competition or something like this. Like, that doesn't help people to be victims. Like it doesn't help black individuals. When there's black victimhood, it doesn't help people in industrial areas.

when there's rural victimhood, and we do not want AI victimhood. You need an AI ethic where you say, hey, there's an enormous opportunity. I've got the greatest teaching and training tool ever created. I'm going to use it myself. I'm going to have my family use it. I'm going to be on top of it. And I'm going to be a valuable participant in a world with a lot more mental assistance. And hopefully we can get two or three times more productive. And I'm happy to be a part of that. I think that's what we really need mentality-wise for people. And definitely not. we're entitled to just steal some of the people's money who are productive, while we just sit on a log.

Alex Epstein, thanks so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Those are really fantastic insights. You're welcome back anytime. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Dan. You got it. Folks, that was really, I think, productive, yeah,

you see what I did there, productive conversation about artificial intelligence. I told you, there's going to be a middle ground. There's going to be a central tendency, mean, median, and mode on income, benefits, productivity and everything. The Dumers are probably wrong. The utopian fallacy people. It's called the utopian fallacy for a reason are probably wrong.

But it's going to take sound minds to get there. Eliminate the fringe components on each end and come down to a common ground in the middle because it is a vital technology and it isn't going away and we can't just give up because no one else is going to give up. And if we lose this fight, it is existential. And you know I don't use that word often.

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