The Dan Bongino Show - Vouching For Voter Fraud? (Ep. 2577)

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

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All America all the time. Sit down, buckle up, and get ready for the Dan Bongino show. Folks, I'm going to have to repeat this again. Get ready. Write it down if you need to, tattoo it on your brain. It promise it will help you, your mental health. I'm not kidding. I'm not trying to be an ass about it.

X, Twitter. There are real people. I hate when people say Twitter's not real life. No, it's real life. it exists and there are real people on there. But I cannot say this enough with regards to how Twitter translates into real world movements. I cannot emphasize this enough. X is not a good sample size of what the real world looks like.

You saw what happened again in the Florida elections last night. I've said this over and over. Guys, ladies, haven't been on the inside. and seen these foreign ops that are pushing a lot, not all, but a lot of accounts, whether they know it or not, whether they're unwitting dopes or not, wittingly or unwittingly, pushing people into these ops. These ops are everywhere.

And when I say an op, an operation, people say sciops, you know, it's real, like a psychological operation, meant to manipulate you psychologically. I'm going to bring this up later in the show. There's an easy way to identify this stuff. You saw like polls, this candidate, and listen, whatever, you run for office. Good for you. It takes a lot of guts to run for office.

I ran. I didn't win, so I'm not sitting here like crapping on anyone for running. I'm just saying like there's ethical ways to run a campaign and not. I was asked a thousand times. I ran in a deep blue district. Just say you're pro choice or whatever you could win. I'm not pro choice. Forget it.

I'm proud of what we did. However, what I'm not proud is people running unethical, stupid campaigns about collective guilt. The Jews, the Protestants, the evangelicals, did it. Who? Which one? There's no home for that here. That's not our party. We don't do that. We don't care about your religion, your skin color. That is not our thing. That's a leftist thing. There's an easy way to spot an op. Number one, have you applied the Bongino rule? Have you waited 24 to 72 hours? Not before commenting, but before making a final decision on something you saw. have you waited a little bit?

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So a couple of things. The Dumers and Grifters, who were telling you last night that there's going to be some huge upset in Florida, Byron Donald's going to go down in flames, our guy is right on his tail. They just got embarrassed by the numbers. Byron Donald's won in an overwhelming victory. You know, congratulations to Jay Collins and Paul Renner.

And if you run, you run, great, good for you. It's tough to put your name on about anything. But Byron won, convincingly. If you were following a lot of the traffic on X and you're not immune to ops like we are on this show at this point, you would have thought to yourself, wow, this race is really close. It was not. You've seen this in other races as well. You saw it with the boner phone.

race and all this other stuff where people are being told, oh my gosh, this is some mass movement. Oh, my gosh, look, this collective guilt stuff. All the kids hate everyone now and we should leverage that. No, we should not. No, we should not. These groups of people telling you this, ladies and gentlemen, have a 100% success rate of failure. These people telling you this, it's doom and gloom. Trump sucks.

Mag is done. Country's over. Data center's going to kill you. This is going to kill you. That's going to kill you. that's going to kill you. A lot of this stuff is not genuine. It's just not.

Some of it is. A lot of them are legitimate concerns. I'll talk, hopefully I'll get this later. Flock cameras, data centers. I'm not telling you what to do in your community at all, at all. You do what you want. I'm just telling you you should have the information. There's nothing controversial about that.

Here's the risk. Here's the reward. Okay. It's not hard. I just want you to remember something too because I get this a lot. Friends of mine reach out. It happens a lot.

And you know who you are and I don't blame it because I've thought this too. People reach out to me and they say, but Dan, it's not worth it. I go on X and I post some simple thing and I get this bot army of people attacking me who are into the collective guilt. The Jews did it and all this other stuff.

Folks, I just want you to remember something. That's BS, okay? It is. It's BS. There were real fights out there. The World War II generation were full of people making life and death decisions at 18 to 20 years old every single day. My grandfather drove a truck in the quartermaster division supplying the front lines,

the battle of the bulge and elsewhere. They would drive in the middle of the night with their lights off so that the Germans didn't shoot at them and kill them. And they would take gasoline in the back of a truck on roads that were this thin, in many cases, getting stuck in mud, where if you crashed, you would burn alive. Like those are real. Because some bot attacks us on Twitter is no reason to run away from this fight. There are real fights going on out there.

A couple of bots on X, that's not it. Now, good news out of Florida last night. Do you guys remember Alexander Vindman, this absolute ass clown of a human being? Remember this guy during the whole impeachment process, impeachment two, the whole like fake whistleblower impeachment one, the whole fake whistleblower thing, the Ukraine call, the fake quid pro quo nonsense. You remember this guy? I don't know if you know this, but this guy was running for the United States Senate seat in Florida.

I don't even know. I didn't even know he was a Florida resident. I knew he was running. When did he get down to Florida? Okay. This clown spends $16 million, $16 million on a U.S. Senate race to run as an anti-Trump Democrat down here in Florida. and got smoked last night by an even bigger lunatic, and he lost by, what was it, almost 10 points?

Here's a little reminder, in case you think the world is doom and gloom and all this other stuff, that sometimes you can smile a little bit too. Remember this guy from the congressional hearing with Devin Nunes, Lieutenant Colonel Vimis? Remember this guy? Check this out. As you know, the intelligence community has 17 different agencies.

What agency was this individual from? If I could interject here, we don't want to use these proceedings. It's our time, Mr. Chair. But we need to protect the whistleblower. Please stop. I want to make sure that there's no effort to out the whistleblower through the use of these proceedings. Mr. Vindman, you testified in your deposition that you did not know the whistleblower. Ranking member, exiled Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, please.

Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, you've been. testified in the deposition that you did not know who the whistleblower was or is. I do not know who the whistleblower is. How is it possible for you to name these people and then out the whistleblower? Per the advice of my counsel, I've been advised not to answer specific questions about members of the intelligence community. Wow, look you here. Now, shouting fraud is really an awful thing.

You shouldn't be mocking people. And I just said, like, you run for office, good free, except this guy. This guy deserves all the mockery in the world. What a clown, $16 million. And he loses to someone even crazier than him who had almost no money at all. I'm not even sure she cracked a million dollars. This lady Angie Nixon, who is unbelievably running as a socialist in Florida. Justin, how well you think a socialist is going to do it?

Florida. The Cuban community loves him, right? Yeah, thank you. Miserable. Justin's rocking the freedom shirt today. You love Charlie. However, get him, Angie Nixon is running as a socialist, spent almost no money, and beat this idiot. Here's Angie Nixon. This just came out from the Senate Republicans account. This is the lady.

This is Florida folks. What does this have to do with politics as a national show? There are socialists running everywhere. However, the difference with Florida is a proportion of the citizenry of South Florida that actually grew up being starved to death and tortured by socialists in Cuba and elsewhere is very large. And let me just taste some. Folks in the chat, you live in South Florida?

Yes or a no. How, I was asking a friend in the studio this morning. He does some like security types. I said, what do you think the chances are if Angie Nixon were to go to a Cuban coffee shop and get like a cafito or something and walk in there in the Cuban coffee shop and be like, I'm here to tell you the glories of Castro. What are the chances she gets out?

I'm not, no, no violence, no, I'm just saying that's probably not going to do that. I don't want you to do that. I don't want you to do that. This is the crazy lady that beat Vindman. This is how nuts they are. She says she brings her kids to drag shows because it's, You got to listen. I don't even want to get ahead.

It's short. Listen to a reason. Hulsome and all. Check this out. I don't understand. Like, there's no sexualization at a drag show. It's just people dressing up and singing and performing. I've taken my children to drag shows.

And it's fun. It's entertainment. It's wholesome entertainment. And it's nothing wrong. It's just, like, I don't get it. She's made. She's making it out like it's, you know, Fat Barney. Sharing is scary.

She's making it out like it's like a Barney episode, like the Mighty Morphing Power Rangers or something. It was like, you know, the pink power. There you go, power. You take your kids to drag shows and you are socialist. That's going to do very well. Justin, you've lived down here the longest. Florida, you know, they're big supporters, obviously,

of men and women's sports, taking your kids to drag shows. and socialism. It polls so well down here. It pulls well. So Angie, keep it up with that. Let's see how you do. Thankfully, we had a great result. Monty's in the chat. Thank you, Florida Democrats also for showing us your true colors and how stupid you are, shuttling one idiot away for someone even worse. All right, I wanted to get to this, too. Mollies in the chat. Folks, that interview yesterday with Scott Pressler went absolutely crazy. So after the show, he had mentioned something at the end. For those of you missed yesterday's show, you know, Scott, he's a get out to vote.

He registers voters. He's done amazing work. We have him on the show often. He came on yesterday and he told me something I hadn't heard of. I'm always candid with you. If I know, I know, if I don't, I don't. But I always go out and do a little homework. So we had mentioned on the show that there is this really weird program, hence the title of today's show,

where you can basically vouch for people to register to vote. Now, Justin, you vouch for people before. Right, your friend group or some, you were in college. Friend group, that sounds kind of like milk toast. But you know, like I hang with a bunch of people, but I keep my group of friends. I keep it small because I don't want a bunch of like lunatics bring in their crazy lunatic kids around my friends and my kids.

So I'm careful, correct? So you vouch for people. Hey, this Joey bag of donuts. He comes, hangs out at the sandbar or something. He's a good guy. It's like the mob guys, right? Yeah, he's one of us. He's what, he's a friend of ours, right?

There's like level, you've done that, correct? Vouching for people is wrong. There's no vouching for voters. There's a way to vouch for voters. You know what it is? The freaking voter. Just show up. Bring your driver's license.

I'm vouching for myself. Here's a license that says myself is myself. Here you go. There's no vouching. There's no vouching. It's like Tom Hanks. There's no crying in baseball. There's no vouching.

What do you mean vouching? So I went and did a little homework of this. And Scott, I went to his X feed first. Because again, X is real life. It's just not a great sample size for voting and all that other stuff. I saw this video on the X feed of what is this election judge training gee? This is insane. There is a way to vouch for people.

to ensure free and fair elections. It's for them to show up with a freaking ID. It's how we vouch for people who buy booze. Justin, who I recently learned is above the age. I hired the guy young. He had a drink on a plane once. I was shocked. I couldn't believe he was over 21.

But there's a way to vouch for that. Show your own ID. I guess in Minnesota, there are also other ways to vouch. Like you say, yeah, yeah, that guy's good or something? Oh, don't worry. Just sign an oath. Oh, okay, that always works. Watch this is off Scott Pressler's expert.

You think I'm making this up. This is how crazy the Democrats are. Check this out. Other types of election day registration options include a registered voter in that precinct who can personally vouch for the identity and residents of up to eight new voters. A health care facility worker can vouch for an unlimited number of residents of facilities that they work for regardless of where that facility worker lives. A voter can use a notice of late registration sent to them.

If a voter is moved within their precinct or has only changed their name, they may use their previous registration in the precinct. Someone in the chat just put Dr. Vouchy. You guys are quicker than me. I wish I was funny like that. Dr. Vouchy. Now there's a vouching McGroying to McGregor. They'll scoop these names up like that.

There's no vouching. There's no crying in baseball. There's no vouching and voting. There's no vouching and voting. The only way to vouch is for you. to vouch for yourself. That's the whole idea. Guys, does this work anywhere else?

Here, let's do a little experiment. Andy, you down? I got an idea. There's a CVS close to our studio. It's not far. I think one of you guys should go in there and try to buy like Allegra or something like that, but bring Justin with you.

We're going to try this. Don't be cool about it. Don't disrupt the business. But just try this. Go up there with the Allegra and no ID and just say this guy, going to vouch for me that I am and watch what happens. Watch what happens.

Don't even bother with alcohol. You may be arrested or something. Watch what are you going to be laughing? Don't waste their time. I'm kidding. But you get the point. There's no vouching and voting. I want a hat tip, by the way, James O'Keefe, Cam Higby as well.

They've been doing incredible work in his. If you miss yesterday's interview with Scott, not that I thought he was exaggerating at all, but it's my obligation to go and do the homework. He was not kidding. The videos get even worse. Here is an independent journalist, Anthony Rubin at Muckraker, with this, this video is not a joke. This is a two-parter.

It's about a minute each, so it's not that long. But first is the setup where this guy, Anthony Rubin, brings in these folks in full garb. And he's like, hey, I want to vouch for these people. And then in part two, he's like, this guy's a member of Hamas. And they're like, yeah, yeah, okay. This is not a joke. I wish this were funny. It's not funny.

Here's part one of this video. Check this out. So does electoral system. There is a process known as vouching, where a registered voter can vouch for eight non-voter registered individuals. And the vouching process stands in for a proof of ID or residency or other documentation that the vouchee would need to show in order to register to vote. So in other words, if I was registered to vote here in Minneapolis, Minnesota,

I could vouch for eight other individuals who are not registered to vote, and all I would need to do is swear that I am verifying and that the individuals I am vouching for live in the same precinct as I do. So what we're going to do today is speak to some election workers and ask, is it okay for me to vouch for some of my friends who just got flown in from the Gaza Strip, who are members of Hamas, and is it okay for them then to participate in today's election? Hi. Okay, okay, so you got the setup? I rarely use two pieces of the same video, but this guy, Anthony Rubin, is a genius. You know, listen, Solilinsky's rules, right? Mockery is a potent weapon because there's no comeback for it.

If you're going to invent stupid rules, like there's vouching and voting, like they're no froncing in voting. No vouching and voting. If you're going to make up stupid rules, then let's go mock you and see how these rules apply. Here's part two. He walks in the, air quotes, Hamasman.

and watch the puzzled looks on the faces of people in the election office here, the ballot location. But they're like, yeah, I think I can vote. Really? We just flew them in from the Gaza Strip. This is how crazy this stuff is in the world we're living in right now with ops everywhere. Check this out. We want to know more about the vouching.

So if you all live in this precinct, if one of you is able to register with the identity and residence verification documents, You can vouch for others who may live in the precinct as well. And you can vouch for up to eight people as long as everyone lives in this particular precinct. And then my friends here would need to show what? If you're vouching for them, they wouldn't need to show anything. They don't need to show anything. Correct.

Okay. Yeah, we would verify your documents. So your identity, your residential documents. And then the people you're vouching for, you are their documents. You represent their document at that point. You're saying you know that they live. Just being straight up with you guys, I don't, they got here recently. I don't really know their citizenship status.

They're from the Gaza Strip. And, well, these guys were actually members of Hamas. And they want to vote today. Okay. That's okay? So you would be under oath. Uh-huh. Letting us know that they are eligible to vote in this precinct.

But I can vote. I can vote, right? If he signs, then I can vote, right? Correct. BS sparks in the chat, using a lot of abbreviations. WTF, is this BS? WTF, B.S. I don't know, man.

I don't know. You would think that would be like, I just flew people in from a terror group. Yeah, just sign here. Just say it's okay. Folks, if we ever been at a time in American history where we needed a piece of legislation as badly as we need the Save Act right now, ever?

I said yesterday on the show, to Scott Pressler during the interview, the problem with having a paper constitution is it doesn't have superpowers, okay? Folks, I love our Constitution. I love what our founding fathers did. I love that our countries made mistakes and fixed them and were the most powerful.

freedom-loving country on earth. But the hard reality is the Constitution is just a piece of parchment. That's it. If nobody believes in it and they believe it's selective and laws are only applied when people feel like it,

the whole thing falls apart. Fidelity to the cause collapses. This is a system of faith. Oh, faith in laws. Not laws that are selectively applied. Folks, the polling on this issue is overwhelming. This is easily an 80-20 issue.

I'm going to show you something coming up next. Most of the polling you're seeing, a lot of it, is total BS anyway. So it's always in with a liberal slant, too. Here's the kicker. About 80% of people support some form of voter ID in free and fair elections. Can you imagine if polling was actually legitimate and not skewed by garbage polls? This would be a 99-1 issue. I'm going to show you what I mean with this thing coming up, this massive polling skisible.

scandal that broke yesterday. If you haven't heard about it, again, it's a cautionary tale of the Dan Bongino show. Most of these pollsters are just full of crap. They're just making this stuff up. Vouching work at ATMs, Justin wants to know. I don't know. Try it. See what Andy says. Andy, I'm going to withdraw $1,000 from Andy's account. They say he's got account Joey Bag of Donuts Bank. No, no. Justin's voucher me. He said it's okay. He's good for it. Right. Right, he's good for it. All right, but it's polling scandal is a major story because I've been warning you about this forever.

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The issue polls overwhelmingly. People know, gosh, I got a biology medication. Show ID. Buy alcohol? Show ID. Get into a Democrat event. Show ID. Kind of weird, right?

I saw this post by Bill Malugian, a great report over Fox. He said, knew the company behind a recent poll that showed Karen Bass, L.A. mayor, with a 12-point need of anithia ramen for L.A. Mayor and showed Bass collecting most of Spencer Pratt's prior support, which seems insane. Spencer Pratt ran against Karen Bass, has admitted their poll was fake, all caps, not my caps, Bill Malugian's caps, and was intended as a quote, this is unbelievable, a social experiment. for suckers.

Folks, I'm telling you, don't get sucked into this to see how a poll could spread in the media ecosystem without verification. This is why I keep telling. The company's called Median Strategies conducted a poll of Wisconsin that had Francesca Hong, the Socialist, up by 20 points. Hong lost.

It was all bogus. Folks, when I came out of the FBI after the year I was there, I was very clear with you that, please, please, whether you seek this show as a source of information or somewhere else is your choice. It's a free republic. I understand that. But all I ask is whoever you're seeking as a source of information. You're living busy lives. You're not there reading the newspaper every five minutes of the day for the latest story.

That's my job. It's to distill the news down to digestible bites. Don't fall for people who overwhelm you with information but overwhelm you with actual evidence. That's what this stuff is. Here's a Fox News report yesterday on this company getting basically raked over the coals right now. And I'm telling you, this is just the beginning of a huge polling scandal in this country. You have to start asking people, what are the evidence for those claims? Not what's the information you're telling me. Is that information valid? What evidence do you have to back it up? And you would have seen right through this stuff. Check this out. Here's what happened. A legitimate sounding company puts out a poll showing L.A. Mayor,

Karen Bass, leading counsel in Nithia Rahman by 12 points. Well, that's plausible. But it also showed 85% of Spencer Pratt voters breaking for Bass. Well, that is a huge red flag, right? In no way would most Pratt voters support Bass. But the media loves polls. Many TV stations here locally, a major newspaper, published this entirely fabricated poll, and that was republished hundreds of times on social media.

Now, when the LA Times called the Polling Company, it admits the whole thing is a hoax. Here's I'm quote. Median strategies was created as a short-term social experiment to examine how purported polling information could enter and spread through the political information ecosystem without independent verification. Justin has no beef with this at all. And maybe his point is valid. He's like, maybe we needed people to get kind of shaken up. Maybe we needed to put out a fake poll like this so people don't understand how easy it is in the quote, social experiment to fake polls. I don't like it, especially when it involves elections. However, but I get his point. If it was anything else, maybe it's a good social experiment to expose how easy it is to engage in an op. But folks, the problem I have with these ops with elections

and other things is there are real life personal consequences. But Justin's point is not, I'm not disregarding it at all. There are real personal consequences. Guys, and this is where I'm going with this. Andy, you've been here long enough now. You've definitely been here since I've been And for those who've been with me, P1s, and I don't like to make the show about me. I do a weekend update once in a while. Occasionally I'll tell a story about something we did when I was in the government that involved your taxpayer dollars, not because it's me, but because you paid for it. But I don't like to make the story about me.

The ops against me personally are through the roof. Justin's laughing because we don't talk about a lot. but, you know, we have really, really good employees here who can see an op from a mile away. Did you notice that? Like, I didn't come out and say the things they wanted me to say. I didn't come out and say, gosh, you know, Donald Trump sucks. I didn't come out and say it's definitely the Jews

and the evangelicals. They screwed up. If you don't say those code words, you are going to be a target of the op people who ironically always go down in flames. I only bring that up because this has a real, consequence falling for this stuff. I don't know if you, we have been subjected to multiple, multiple, very serious death threats.

There have been arrests. There have been investigations. I'm not talking about indirect. I'm talking about direct threats against my life, my family, and elsewhere. A lot of it is based on pure, unadulterated garbage and nonsense. It's not a sob story. It's part of the gig. I wish it didn't happen to me or anyone else, but it's real.

This is why I am so adamant at exposing these things. I don't know if you missed this yesterday, but there was a sentencing in a very serious threat case against our Treasury Secretary Scott Besson. These ops have real consequences in the real world, and real people are in danger because of it. I told you it's not a matter of if something's going to happen. It's only matter of who it's going to happen to and when.

Check this out. I was the subject of an assassination attempt, February 2024, by an adult left-wing activist two hours after being sworn into my job. So any of you who want to report that this is a fiction and does not exist, be there for the sentencing this August. Here we are, Dana. Right now, that sentencing hearing is taking place here in the nation's capital. 24-year-old Ryan English of South Deerfield, Massachusetts,

pled guilty for charges related to attempted assassination of then-Cabinet member nominee, Scott Besson for carrying a dangerous weapon on the grounds of the Capitol, according to U.S. Attorney Janine Piro, according to court documents, about 312 p.m. on January 27th, 2025, a week after the inauguration, English approached a U.S. Capitol police officer near the south door of the Capitol building and stated, I'd like to turn myself in. English admitted to possessing a knife and two Maltoff cocktails. Folks, I'm telling you right now nearly every prominent,

I don't mean prominent like we're better than anyone. I mean prominent that there's name recognition and people know who they are. I'm telling you for a fact, nearly every prominent figure in the Trump administration right now has a story like this. I'll give you a little, don't put it on the screen, guys, because I don't want to, but you want to do some homework? You think I'm making this up? Look up by, what is it, ABC 10, Sacramento, death threat, Bong Geners. And you'll see what I'm, you think I'm making this up? That's one of a massive book of these things that we have to deal with.

every single day. I'm just telling you there's a consequence to falling for these ops. President Trump, Vance, Rubio, they're all involving some big cabal and cover-up. It's just nonsense. You know, one of the ops I saw, too, going around the other day was like, Todd Blanche, oh my gosh, this guy blew it. He said that the Department of Justice is not independent. I thank God Mark Hemingway responded to this on X.

This is all an op. This is all this bull information that gets slip. The Department of Justice is not independent. I don't know what you're talking about. The Washington Post of all, I think, wrote a piece saying, hey, listen, the Department of Justice falls under the executive branch. I don't know what part of this is. The Washington Postovil, but Mark Elias, crazy Democrat lawyer,

I'm without words. This was once a proud newspaper. Support independent media losing his mind of it. Mark Kemiwry responds, what are you talking about? They're 100% right. the DOJ is not independent. The Attorney General answers directly to the president. Is any of this confusing?

You remember folks in the chat? I'm just the bill up. Do you remember that? Like, do you not know Schoolhouse Rock? This is an up post-watergate, Hemingway notes, that the DOJ can be both subordinate to the president and responsible for policing him. That's not how this works.

I told you in the beginning of the show. I'm really genuinely trying to help you I'm not being a smart ass. This is the easiest way to recognize an op. Again, just follow the Bongino. I say it's sarcastic. It's not really my rule. It's kind of a joke.

But just give a story some time to flesh out first. Usually the initial piece of information Mark a lot is pushing his own outlet, right? Democracy Docket. What a clown. Folks, give the story first some time to flesh out, not before you comment. You're free to comment on whatever.

I'm not here to tell you what the comment on or not. But before you draw any final opinion on things, wait for a diverse source of information to come out. Second, again, does the account have a reason to be BSing you? Sometimes they do. Sometimes it's just real. Sometimes they're lying to you just because they want to. Is there counter information out there, counter evidence?

And does this look like a current thing? If you see a story that pops out of nowhere and listen to me, I want to get this in all caps. Flag it in the chat right now because, like, you know how people, they clip your show and they clip out the relevant portion? I'm not telling you what to believe about flock cameras, data centers,

shocker gloves or whatever they're called lecture. Oh, my gosh, shocking gloves. I see me. I'm not telling you. Do everybody get it? We will go no further. Flag it in the chat. I'm not telling you that.

I'm just telling you, don't you think it's weird that these stories just popped up? and all of a sudden they're everywhere? You don't think it's strange that there are some players out there who have a vested interest in taking a side in this debate? Both sides. People making money off data centers versus people in the community who don't want them and some people being paid.

There are both sides. Flock cameras. There are people making money off flock cameras, law enforcement. There are other people on the other side who don't want a public safety situation. I want you to notice how President Trump, who is almost always by the left-wing media and his critics and the doers, again, I'm not telling you what to think on this stuff. You feel in your communities and you do subsidiarity what's good for your community. You hate flock cameras, vote in county commissioners who get rid of them and a sheriff who gets rid of them.

That's your choice. You don't want a data center. Vote against it. That's your call. I'm not here to tell you what to think. You don't like shock gloves or electric gloves. You'd rather shoot people with a taser instead of. Fine, whatever is your call.

But we were given process and reason. I want you to see President Trump's asked the question about flock cameras. This is the latest, you know, current thing out there on either side, right? Listen to the guy. He said, hey, man, I think I'm just going to check the issue out. We're going to study it. Like a reasonable person would do. And yet President Trump is always accused, right?

Guys are being impulsive and such a lunatic. He sounds like the only sane actor in the room half the time. Check this out. These license plate scanners that are going up across the country, they're called flop cameras. People are worried that the police might misuse them. Have you heard of them? Yep.

What's your skin? Well, it's being studied right now. You know, you have pros and cons, right? It's being studied right now. We'll have an answer sort of as to our views on it over the next couple of weeks. I can't get enough of how this guy is constantly accused of he's so impulsive and he just doesn't think things through. And yet when you're given a controversial issue, and it is controversial, I understand.

What does he do? He says, hey, man, why don't we just look at it? We'll gauge out what the pros are, significant typically reduction in crime versus the cons, which is, yes, there are some privacy concerns. Can those be alleviated with guardrails? Why don't we just stop and take a breath? This show never got into the current thing stuff. We just didn't.

And it drives people bananas. Because they want you to come out and start screaming and yell and before you even have the data. Happened again last night. Folks, I'm going to, Guy, I'm going to ask you this one. Can I leave this up to the chat? So folks, Joe Kent put out one of these ridiculous videos again last night. I'm going to take a second here.

Are you even, I'm really tired of this. I already told you, like, are you interested in Joe Kent's response? Yes or no in the chat? Give it a sec. Tell me what you think. Because I don't want to torture you guys with this, frankly, this stupidity anymore. Tell you what, let's just play a little bit of it and we'll say we'll compromise because we're going to take any information like President Trump. Joe Kent, again, is just forfeited all this credit. I feel bad for this guy.

He's gone through a lot. He is not my personal enemy, folks. For those of you want this to be personal, I was very close with Joe. I showed you the picture yesterday. I was more than happy to go visit him when he was there. This is not personal. But Joe keeps insisting that he. he was somehow, despite no investigative authority whatsoever, blocked from the Charlie Kirk

investigation, although he was not an investigator and had no authority to investigate the Charlie Kirk investigation. So he responded to yesterday say, I'm just going to play a little bit of it, and I want to explain how he actually outs himself here yet again, and yet people still believe, oh, I trusted, okay, great. Play this again. Can you stop when I tell you to stop? Because I don't want to go through the whole thing. All right, check it out. I'm going to briefly describe the role of the National Counterterrorism Center in the investigation of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So NCTC analysts are a part of every joint terrorism task force throughout the entire country. The JTTFs are typically led by the FBI. NCTC's role within the JTTF is to determine

if there is any foreign nexus. So that would be a foreign country, a foreign government, a foreign individual, a foreign company, if there's any foreign connection or nexus to an act of domestic terrorism like the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So that's what NCTC analysts were doing as part of the JTTF to assist the investigation of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So NCTC analysts were operating at the request of the FBI to determine if there was any kind of foreign connection or foreign nexus to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So NCTC is a unique organization within the intelligence community. It's part of the intelligence community. It can see all the operational traffic, all the raw reporting coming from the forward facing intelligence community, the CIA, the

the DIA, the NSA, et cetera, but it can also see the raw operational reporting coming from the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies. Stop. I'm just going to leave this here. I'm really sorry Joe Kent when he decided to swear in for NCTC director, had no idea what his job was. Notice how he outs himself here. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to help Joe and you, okay?

The thumbnail is devastating. We didn't do it on purpose. I don't want to be accused of like the thumbnails. Everybody's got a bad thumbnail out there. Ladies and gentlemen in the chat who've been members of the USIC or a JTTF, do you know what raw intelligence is? Raw intelligence is exactly as it sounds. If you're out there on X or Snapchat and someone posts a video saying that

space aliens killed Joey Bag of Donuts in Georgia in a terror attack, That's what's considered raw intelligence. I don't know if Joe knows this or not. What would happen is an analyst who's not an investigator would get that and give it to who. An investigator, i.e. not Joe. I've already told you they have no investigative authority at all. Someone should just ask him that question. I don't know why he keeps saying this.

They would give it to an analyst. The investigative work is done by investigators who have power, to investigate subpoena powers, arrest power. Is any of this hard? The investigators determine if raw intelligence is then actionable intelligence. Joe has nothing to do with that, nor does his shop. When they don't determine it's actionable intelligence, that raw intelligence is not thrown out, but we've investigated it.

There's no lead there. He keeps insisting. he somehow had that bridge role turning raw intelligence into actionable intelligence because they were investigating. That is not their job. They have no power to do it. Okay, done. I'm not doing this anymore.

I can't. This guy he can comment only wants. I really feel bad for this guy. And if you're falling for this op, just know you're being played for a fool. Why he's trying to insert himself into a very serious criminal trial going on right now by constantly commenting as a guy who was trying. trusted with the public trust is just disgraceful at this point. Moving on, I'm done with it.

I'm done. This is like an idiot proof argument. Speaking of idiot proof, have we got a response from Elizabeth Warren's office yet? You sure? Did you check? Folks in the chat know what I'm talking about. So there is a lieutenant governor in Minnesota. You know, the vouched you can, can Becky Flanagan,

can she vouch for people of Minnesota? The lieutenant governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan, is a diehard socialist identity politics lunatic. See you later, Paula. Paula's in the office today. Represent the cause. Good job. See you. Good job.

Reminds me of that. The audience loves you. They miss you. She come say hello. What was that you saying? Oh, Peggy Flanagan. She's a diehard socialist, right? She's now the U.S. Senate nominee in Minnesota.

She put out this fundraising mail or something. will be the first Native American in the U.S. Senate. Now, if you believe in ops and you're a sucker, like people who believe in this op, these other guys are putting on, you would actually believe that that is, that's not the case. Because you were subjected to an op in the past by a bunch of identity politics liberals who told you Miss Powow Chow, Elizabeth Warren, was in fact the first Native American center,

despite her being whiter than a bottle of whiteout. Remember, you want to be here? No, I'm good. Elizabeth Warren, the whole thing is an op. The whole thing is an op. Her entire public persona, Elizabeth Warren, is an op. They're all phonies, folks. If you're falling for this BS, you're no different than the Dumers and Gryters.

You just got suckered. Hat tip, this is a M-A-M-M-M-M-M-O-R-E, right? The Great M-A-S-M-M-O-R-E, one of my favorite accounts. Always go there for some show-prepped stuff because they're so fantastic. He's so fantastic. Here's Maze Moore. And if you're watching or listening, excuse me, on audio,

watch the Rumble video. You'll see a video in the background of Elizabeth Warren exiting a private jet. Private jet spewing carbon dioxide everywhere. That sounds like a capitalist thing. I got no beef or private. I love it, man. I'm a capitalist. That's a great thing, really confusing.

But I thought they hated that stuff. Here's Elizabeth Warren bragging about getting two bucks from some college lady who supported her. Two bucks. What did she? What did that? Two bucks bought her what? One one millionth of a second on the private jet. Can you work out the math for me?

Andy, is there a way to work that out? So, Andy, if you can do this math, I love you. What is the average charter per hour? Like, I don't know, was it $20,000 an hour, 15th? I don't know. And what does that $2 work out? So how much of Elizabeth Warren's private jet time was bought by this $2?

Here, check this out. I tell you, there are so many people who are in this fight for all the right reasons. You know me, did the speech, and then afterwards did a selfie line, and we were there for over an hour. People are coming through and they're saying thank you and they're giving hugs and talking about what's important to them. Young woman came up by herself, and she said, I'm a broke college student with a lot of student loan debt. And she said, I checked and I have $6 in the bank. So I just gave $3 to keep you.

in this fight. That's what we've got to do. I gave you $3.3. Justin, you've been on Jets, right? Again, I'm a capitalist. I love it. Success. Good for you, buddy.

Do your thing. These people are running against that. This is a total op. Justin, right? Sometimes on these private jets, they have various assortments of like little snacks and thingsies. Some have whiskey. Justin is taking advantage of that.

He was over the drink. He shocked me to death. Can't say it enough. If you had to pay individually, I guarantee you, the bag of like those buffalo wings, you ever eat those pretzel chips? They're like flat pretzels, the buffalo wings. That brand is the most amazing snack.

A bag of those would be like $75. She didn't even get a bag of chips on that for this poor lady's three bucks. Give her her $3 back. Folks, these people are total frauds. I saw this post by this Daniela on X about the, this guy was it Gustavo, the socialist co-chair was up in New York. This is the socialist co-chair.

Again, these people are total frauds. They were total frauds. The New York City, the Democrat Socialist of America co-chair, spit it out there. Currently lives in a $1.5 million dollar Brooklyn townhouse. His parents bought for him. You, those, you literally cannot make up a more ridiculous. I hate literally, I hate literally. However, you are quite literally, you cannot make up a

dumber story. It's like the BLM people at that rate of $3 to $3 from the car. I was off by the I said $2. It was three. Big change. It is a big difference. $2 or $3. At that rate, $3 buys you $3.6 seconds on a light chat. I love how Andy Burr. broke this down. If you get a mid-size, you know, like maybe what, a praetor or Gulfstream or something, it buys you 2.2 seconds. If you get a heavy jet, one of the big dogs, it buys you about one second. So to the college student, Mary Bag of Donuts or Janice Bag of Donuts, whatever your name is,

you financed, it looks like a pretty, can we play the picture of it? I think it was a mid-size. You bought Liz Warren 2.2 seconds on the Pow Wow Express. Awesome. Good for you. This whole thing is an op, man. Look at the, that's, for you pilots out there, so maybe you bought her three seconds. I don't know.

I don't know what exactly that jet is. I wish I knew more about it. But tell me, pilots in the chat. If some of it, you bought about three seconds for Liz Warren. Folks, another op that's happening out there, We couldn't do to nothing is happening thing yet, right? The whole, okay, we got this thing. I asked these guys, one of the ops I mentioned in beginning,

just like Liz Warren's whole persona is an op, so was all these DSA guys. This cat up in New York, I'm a socialist. Don't you live in a one and a half million dollar townhouse that mama and papa bought you? You're a fraud. You're a fake. You're a phony.

Do not let this infection of fraudulent bull float on to our side. Seek evidence, ask questions, and you will never fall for one of these things. The biggest op I see going on right now, and it's only a matter of time before everybody they try to take that under is the nothing is happening. Of course we got our famous nothing is happening file. Wait there, we love it. We're going to build a new nothing is happening file because we're going to have to add to it. They love, there we go. Another thing that happened, again, you don't have to like what happened. But your nothing is happening in the, the Trump administration is just made up.

David Morin's former NIAID advisor pleads guilty in the COVID-19 record scheme. I thought nothing was happening looking at potentially up to five years. I don't know that was happening on the COVID day. What do you think this just happened yesterday? Again, folks, I know it doesn't matter to the dooms and the grifters. They'll believe anything. They'll believe in Pow Wow, Chow that Liz Warren's not a free market capitalist in her personal life and in a socialist for everyone.

You'll believe anything. You'll believe there's a real movement in a Republican Party to incorporate Nazi ideology. These are all ops. They're not real. It doesn't mean real people aren't promoting them. They're not real. There are tons of things happening.

I ask the guys to put together a list, a compilation of things, because we forget about them. It's in the kitchen getting worked up right now. now, all the BLM investigations and arrests, all the Antifa cases for the first time, convictions, the SPLC, the Newsom case, the Hockel case, the Comey case, the Bolton case, the violent crime rate plunging, the violent crimes against children, arrests just exploding. Operations going on every single day.

The counter-terror arrest, the counter-intel arrest, the arrest for crypto fraud, white-collar cases through the roof. You don't have to agree with what's happening. But it is clearly an op you suggesting that nothing is happening. And it's clearly an op to use your official title in the government to imply you had inside knowledge about something you had no idea about, nor any authority to investigate yourself. It is an op. I'm really sorry that that bothers you. MSB voice. Here's a few bucks to keep the lights on. $2 for MSB voice. Rumble tips right there. Thank you. I told you. unnecessary. We appreciate it. A few dollars that buys

if we were to take a private jet. Yeah, if we were, we're not going to the R&C of the midterm RNC Republican, but if we were, we would apply that to the jet fund. Right, Andy, you never been on that sucker, right? A third of a buffalo chip. I don't even know if it gets you a third of it.

We got to give them those buffalo. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Those flat pretzel buffalo chips? That is the most Warren and Sanders spent 2.4 million on private jets and 59,000 on carbon offsets to make up for it. This is the kind of stupid stuff these people fall for. Good luck in the stupid ecosystem you live in.

I want to bring this up too because one of the earliest ops I saw through is I'm not knocking teachers. I love teachers. They save my life. But the teachers unions reps, it's a huge scam. They hate school choice because they just, it's a source of money for them to advance Democrat principals. This is the most amazing story.

school choice or anti-school choice, I should say, is one of the oldest left-wing ops out there. Did you see the story out of Mississippi? Mississippi, just an aggregate, is one of the not-so-wealthy states in the Union, Mississippi. I don't want to call them poor, because Mississippi's a beautiful place, and they're definitely not poor in spirit.

But economic development, they had lagged behind for a while. This is the craziest story. It's notew... This is a... Sorry, I can't pronounce that. It's notew... that once you adjust for demographics, Mississippi is the state with the second highest test scores in the country

right behind Massachusetts now. They note that Mississippi fourth graders rank number one in the U.S. for reading and mass scores improvement since 2013. After ranking 49th and reading in 50th in math that year, gee, what did it? It's the craziest thing. They actually let Mississippi parents pick where their kids go to school. So crazy how like when you let parents decide where their kids go,

go to school. Shocker, folks, they actually pick good schools. You want to see another op on the left? Anti-school choice. Liz Warren on the Powwow Chow Express is a form of socialism. Here's another beauty, too. The people that are out there, these socialists, probably like the guy up in New York and his $1.5 million home telling you, single payer, bro. Single payer, we need government-run health care. Notice they call it single payer. Who's the single-payer, Gede, do you know? The government. They don't want to use the word government because most people associate with government with suck with a massive sucking sound. That is the sucking sound of government sucking the life out of you in every single thing they do.

So they call it this optested name, single payer. And everybody's like, yeah, man. Right. Gee, good point, Key. The government's not funded by a single payer. It's 300, 30 million payers. You. So there's this rumor out there that, oh, no, you'll still be able to keep.

the insurance plan you love in your job or bargain for in your union, that, no, no, don't worry, man, they're not going to cancel you. Do you read the bill? The Bernie Sanders bill that El Cyanid and these other socialists support is crystal clear. James Freeman, Wall Street Journal, ladies and gentlemen, get your pens out if you're in a union. Look, it is right there. Section 107, prohibition against duplicating coverage. in general, beginning on the date, which benefits are first available, the government benefits,

it shall be unlawful. What does unlawful mean, guys? He's like, I think it means against the law. It will be against the law for a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits under Medicaid for all, Medicare for all programs, which is going to be everything. And it is illegal for your employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or dependents, or former employee that duplicates the benefits under Medicaid.

care for all. Your plan is dead. Just read the bill. You have no excuse. Stupid is a choice. Folks, please pick up the shirt stored up on gno.com. The back says, of course, don't be stupid. Just to advertise to people that stupid is a choice. I'm sorry to the guy in the chat yesterday. It is a choice. You see these socialists like, yeah, I'm going to vote for Al-Sayad, but I love my union plan. But he said it's cool. Everyone else is going to be on government. He's the not say it's cool. Just read the Bernie Sanders bill. Your plan is illegal. It's undocumented, right. It's an undocumented plan. That's a good point. Op-level euphemisms. It's an undocumented health care plan. There'll be a black market for health care of undocumented doctor-driven

health care plans. Kind of scam is this, man. Folks, there's no excuse to be stupid anymore. My gosh. All right. I got the next to see. are coming up. We're going to talk about all of this. He's got a great new book out, too. Have you ever asked yourself like I have? You ever question your faith? Folks, I have to. I'm a sinner, man. I don't pretend to be anybody's like moral high ground. Dinesh has a book out showing how, listen, the Bible and a lot of these things you read, you may think they're like Aesop's Fables or something. These are based in real history. We're going to talk about that. The rise of the DSA. We're going to talk about a whole bunch

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Please to welcome to the show today, a very good friend of mine for a long time. Matter of fact, one of the guys who converted me to an activist early on from just a regular old voter used to watch your debates, Denesh on college campuses where you would just dismantle frankly just idiotic leftist ideas. Our good friend, Dinesh D'Souza, Dinesh, welcome to the show. Dan, it's a great pleasure. Great to be on.

So you have a new book coming out in October available for pre-order now. Please go pick it up. It is called The Stones Cry Out. We're going to get to that because it's an important topic to me and my faith that, you know, the Bible and these historical accounts

in the Bible and historical accounts of Jesus and others. These are not just Aesop's fables. These are based in real things. So we're going to get to that. But I'd be remiss if I did not ask you about a couple of things first. As a really close follower of conservative politics for a long time, you know, we've got this infection, Dinesh, you and I've seen. It comes and goes over time in the Republican Party.

And thankfully, the good people in the Republican Party that are its base squash it out. It's this collective guilt thing. And notice, I didn't just say anti-Jew thing, although that's a prominent part of it, because it's not just anti-Jew. It's the first we get the Saturday people, let me get the Sunday people. It's anti-evangelical.

It's anti-Protts. The Jews are just an easy target. However, you know, at some point, if you're going to run on this hate-filled garbage, you're going to have to show some constituency. And last night in Florida is more evidence. There's no base for this in the Republican Party. There's a home for a Democrat Party, but not here. I agree.

You've got a smattering of young people. They've been kind of contaminated by this kind of deep, deep-seated, deep-rooted hatred. and it's not just anti-Israel because you notice that it's also becoming now pro-Islam. We see this, for example, in Tucker's own trajectory. He started out with like Netanyahu bad, and then he expanded to Israel bad, Jews bad, and then suddenly he was talking about Islam not so bad and Sharia not so bad and Iran not so bad. So this is not merely a fixation on one issue. It ultimately corrupts the soul and the political soul completely.

It does. And I've tried to explain to people, having been involved in this as a candidate and activist on TV, podcast, whatever it may be. You see and come across a lot of people in the movement. I'm not Jewish. It's not at all relevant to this conversation. I abhor and absolutely vitriolically hate collective guilt campaigns. That's a leftist victim identity politics thing. This person's good because of the melanin level of their skin. or what their religion is. They're the preferred religion, de jour, Islam, whatever it may be. And this person's bad because they're not.

I mean, that's totally antithetical to every single thing this country stands for of unalienable, individual God-given rights. If this is part of your movement, I've said before, check me out. Like, I want no peace of that. Yeah, the United States, our attachment to Israel is the same as, for example, our attachment to Great Britain. We have moral ties, historical ties.

And so there's been a, quote, special relationship. This doesn't mean it's inviolable. It doesn't mean our interests always converge. But the way I look at it, that is a very bad neighborhood over there in the Middle East, right? And the Israelis live there, and they're pretty good survivors in a really bad neighborhood. They know how to fight radical Islam. So we haven't got that good of a record going back to 9-11 and even earlier. And so there's a lot that we can get out of Israel in the...

this larger fight that we have to prevent what is clearly a serious problem, Islamic infiltration of the West, an attempt to sort of take all those Middle Eastern principles and apply them here in our country. That's happening right around us, and we can't be blind to it. Yeah, and what I find shocking, I don't want to move on to my next question. I'm just a kind of final point is a lot of the people commenting on this in podcastistan have zero experience in the national security space at all. It doesn't mean you're not entitled to your opinion. I want to be clear on that.

I am a free speech absolutist outside of breaking the law. You say what you want. It doesn't mean your opinion is valid. I mean, I have an opinion on neurosurgery. My opinion is I don't want it. Don't crack my skull open. It's bad. It doesn't mean I know what's happening with a neurosurgeon in my brain, you know, getting into

Wernichies area. I have no idea. I'm not a neurosurgeon. So it doesn't mean your opinion is valid. I got to be honest about it. I trust President Trump and Marco Rubio at this. point, more than I trust you. It's simply, it's not a matter of trust me, bro. It's just a matter of there's an information asymmetry. They're reading things you're not. That and also, you know, I've

debated a couple of these guys right now. And I realize that their scope of history extends about a decade. I mean, they go back to Iraq and Afghanistan, and they think that a universal model can be derived from that. And I have to remind them, you know, we've had regime change in like 25, countries over the last century or so, and most of the time, it's worked out for the better. I'm not just talking about World War II. Think about all the regime change that occurred, for example, in the wake of the Cold War, right? Regime change in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and on and on Eastern Europe. And so, and all of that has been transformational and to the good. So this doctrine that regime change is always bad. I mean,

I'd like to see some regime change in Iran and Venezuela if we can. can get it. Now, I'm not willing to pay any price to do that, but the idea that it's not a worthwhile goal, really? Yeah. Let's get to your book and I want to get back to a couple of other things going on in politics too, but this is important. You have a book coming out. Again, folks, the book is called The Stones Cry Out, available now for pre-order by Dinesh D'Souza. Please check it out wherever you get your books. Dinesh went out. When you initially had reached out to us, I said, man, this sounds like an unbelievable topic for me. I am a, um, I am a, um, or I was, I'm going to throw myself under the bus.

I was one of those Christmas Easter Catholics. You know, and they show up. I'm not knocking anyone, folks. I'm just saying, that was me. You go to church on Christmas and Easter more because it's a social event than any act of faith. That was me, okay? And then a friend of mine who was a Secret Service agent, and he was older than me,

but a very nice guy. He handed me a book by Lee Strobel called The Case for Christ. I've talked about this book often. I taught CCD once I bought the book for all the, young kids. I said at some point in your life, if you're not going to read this today, keep it and get to it. And the gist of the book is Lee Strobel was a journalist and an atheist who wanted to disprove to a family member that this faith was just a waste of her time. And he wound up becoming not only a convert, but basically, you know, an evangelical for the cause, like was out there speaking about the cause

all the time. And one of the things he notes is that people die for their religion all the the time, Denesh, you know that. But nobody dies for religion. They know is fake. The apostles knew Jesus. So the gist of your book is the Bible in general. A lot of people think this is just some fairy tale of fake stories. Your book, you have some actual historical evidence. What's the best case you can make that a lot of this stuff was based on actual history? Yeah. And quite honestly, Dan, the truth of it is the Bible is even taught in churches. Think of Catholic Church sermons or think about evangelical sermons, they treat the Bible as a series of morality tales. They will talk about Joseph or King David or the prophet Isaiah, and they talk about it without telling you,

like, when did Isaiah live? What century? What was going on at the time? So in other words, the general approach is to ignore the historicity of the Bible. So I went to Israel for the first time at the end of 2022. I was very charmed. I kind of felt like I'm in the land of the Bible. But then I was exposed to this biblical archaeology, and it's been going on for about 150 years, but it's sort of accelerated in the last 25 years. And what we've seen now is just dozens upon dozens of artifacts coming out of the ground that support and confirm the historical truth of the Bible. This is about real people, real places, and real events.

And not only the kind of massive figures of the Bible are actually, corroborated, but sometimes tiny details in the Bible. So here's one. We all know about Joseph and his coat of many colors. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. And the Bible happens to drop the price, 20 shekels. Now, interestingly, archaeologists have been able to survey surrounding civilizations in that period of time. We're talking around 1900 BC. And so we know the price of a slave in Mesopotamia, in Assyria, in the civilization surrounding Israel, and the price turns out to be, you guessed it, 20 shuckles. Now, it's not a fixed price. The price of slaves was less before that and more after that. So there was evidently inflation.

But in Joseph's own time, it was precisely 20 shaggles. So in the 19th century and later, skeptics would say, oh, the Bible was written hundreds of years later, after the events it purports, to describe, they made a bunch of this stuff up. Well, nobody writing centuries later wouldn't know the exact price of a slave at the time of Joseph. Archaeology is able to verify that that kind of little detail that the Bible just casually drops happens to be right on. And Dinesh, you're correct. I remember, again, teaching a CCD class with Paula for a couple of years. And, you know, they're younger kids, I get it. But you get a lot of the learning materials. And some of it is quite, you know, cartoonish.

And it's for kids. I want to be clear. But when you read the Bible as a discerning adult, you realize if they were going to write, say, in Aesop's fable, a fake story, you wouldn't write about the human beings in the story being as fallible as they were. I mean, King David, there's an endless litany of stories of succumbing to temptation. Solomon, all of these big features of the Bible, Abraham himself. I mean, they're not painted out to be anything other than fallible human beings who eventually found a path. So it seems kind of strange if you're going to make up a story that you would make everybody out to be just rather human.

You'd make them out like a Superman comic. Like, oh my gosh, unless Kryptonite, they're immune to it. This is a very profound point. The ancient literatures of almost every civilization are kind of distastefully boastful. They're all about we're great, we're the greatest, everybody else stinks. The Bible doesn't do that. So you're quite right about that. The other thing about it is no other religious text has been archaeologically,

is even able to be verified. I mean, no one even tries to archaeologically check out the Quran or the Hindu scriptures or the Buddhist scriptures. Only the Bible can withstand and has withstood 150 years of withering skeptical scrutiny. And here's the bombshell of it all. In 150 years, there's not a single, not one. important archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible. When archaeology first started, the skeptics were like, yo, we're going to use this as a battering ram against the Bible.

We're going to show the whole thing is myth and legend. They haven't been able to do this. Now, you mentioned King David. Now, true, for a couple of thousand years, if somebody had asked you, all the way up to like 1990, prove the existence of King David outside the Bible. You couldn't do it. But in the early 1990s, in a place called Tel Dan in northern Israel, out of the ground comes a stone inscription. It's not written by the Israelites. It's written by the king of Syria, a guy named Hazayel, and he's boasting about his great victories.

And he goes, I won a huge victory over, quote, the house of David. So not only is he confirming David, he's confirming the Davidic dynasty of kings who succeeded David. And then now, in the 21st century, an archaeologist named Eilat Mazar has found the ruins of King David's palace. Now, that is a kind of mind-blowing story to itself. Elat Mazar comes to an archaeological group and says, you guys need to move your visitor center because the palace of King David is underneath your feet. And they go, how could you possibly know that?

And she goes, well, in the Bible, it says that King David did not build his own palace. He imported labor from Phoenicia, from the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians sent stonemasons and carpenters to build David's palace. And she goes, you know what? A Phoenician artifact, which is called a capital, the top decorated part of a pillar, a Phoenician capital was found in the ground at this very location. So why would the Phoenicians be here? Well, the Bible tells you, they were here to build King David's Palace.

And so the fact that a Phoenician artifact was located here, And so she raises money. They do an archaeological dig. And guess what? Out of the ground, giant pillars, huge walls, the ruins of what clearly isn't some private residence, but what archaeologists call a monumental building dated back to 1,000 BC, which is exactly the time that King David lived. So right now, I've walked in it. You can walk in it. The ruins of King David's palace are there for everyone to see. And Dinesh, when you go to Israel in the surrounding regions, I mean, the Jordan River is tautologically real. You can go and see it. The Garden of Gizemite. They're actual places. I mean, you could go and say, and I strongly encourage you to do it. And by the way, it is nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity.

It's the seed of multiple religions, as you know, as a history lesson alone, even if you're not, you don't have, you don't subscribe to a particular. religion, that's your choice. As a history lesson alone, you'll see these places are real. They existed. I wanted to ask you this because my journey with faith is, you know, I'm always struggling. I get to say to I'm not anyone's preacher. I'm no, you know, I'm not trying to be anybody's moral hero or martyr. I'm just a guy who gets upset about politics with a microphone. And I'm honored that people care at all what I have to say about things. But my journey with faith and, you know, my struggles with my own weaknesses, one of the things I did when I started to make this conversion from a Christmas Easter Catholic to really immersing, immersing myself in the

faith, is I started to listen to the other side, too, because I wanted to be able to make an actual argument. God gave me a brain and reason for a reason. So I started to listen to others, too, like Hitchens. I know you're familiar with his old work, of course. And what of Hitchens, let me just frame it this. The most powerful argument, I think, for the existence of Jesus was the argument I made about Lee Strobel's book, that nobody dies. for a religion they know to be fake. The apostles knew Jesus. They were killed brutally, hung upside down, beheaded.

You would think they would say, right? Deneh, like, hey, gigs up. Like, I was just kidding. Jesus didn't really, but they didn't. They were like, no, kill me. So they saw it. That's the difference to me. Hitchens made an argument a while ago that, well,

we were around all this time as human beings and this mystical God just shows up, you know, 2,000 years ago out of nowhere. But I think where Hitchens goes wrong or went wrong, is there's an assumption built in that you understand, one, the reasons in all-powerful God would do that. And that time, time, you understand time as God understands time. In other words, time is just some linear longitudinal thing, which is even the physics sometimes disputes. It just doesn't make sense.

It's like maybe there's a reason there you just don't understand. Like, my dog doesn't understand calculus. us. There is an aspect here that unites the believer and the unbeliever. And that is the mystery of how God chooses to reveal himself. See, if it were me, if I would be advisor of God, I'd be like, listen, God, why don't you paint your name on the sky? Like, why don't you engrave the Ten Commandments on the moon? And that way, everybody can see it. There'll be no dispute about it. But God, for reasons unknown to you and me, decides, no, I'm actually going to unfold my story through history in a particular place, in a particular time, and within a certain bracket of

dates, notice the Bible, which kind of historically begins with Abraham. That's about 2000 BC, and the Bible comes to an end about 50 AD. So that is its time span. And even its geographical span is kind of limited. It's Israel. It involves some of the surrounding kingdoms like Egypt and Assyria, later Babylon. But that's the scope of the Bible. Now, the incredible thing is that the Bible itself is written in this thunderous language or revelation, right? In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And so the Bible doesn't prove things, it kind of asserts them, it declares them. I think what's fascinating is that in recent times, in recent years and decades, it's like God is now choosing to use a different language. And that's why I use this title for my book,

the stones cry out, because stones can't speak, right? But someone is speaking through the stones. And now, you mentioned Jesus, and I'm always fascinated by the great scene of the trial of Jesus, right? Because it involves these fascinating characters. There's King David. There's Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor. There is Caiaphas, the high priest, and then the most mysterious of all defendants, which is Jesus himself. Now, there's fascinating archaeology on all these characters, but I'm going to focus on the high priest named Caiaphas. This guy, Caiaphas, is named in the Bible by only one name, Caiapus.

When Jesus is arrested, he's taken to the home of Caiaphas. Caius organizes the Sanhedron or the priestly council. He lobbies Rome to get Jesus executed. So he's a really important villain in the Bible. Now, the historian Josephius gives us his first name, Joseph Caiaphas. And again, for many, many centuries, if you believe in Caius, you'd have to believe it on faith. but in recent decades they're digging in the priestly quarter, the aristocratic portion of Jerusalem, of ancient Jerusalem,

and out of the ground come these boxes. They're called osseuaries. It's a stone box, and in the first century, AD, if you died, they would bury you in a tomb, but then when your body decayed, they would take your bones out, put it in a box, and put your name on it. So out of the ground come these ossuaries, about 20 of them, and their archaeologists look at them over, and one of them is really ornate, and they see a name on the front,

and it says, Yehosef, Bar, Kayaffa. Yehosef, Joseph, bar, son of, Caiaphas. They open the box. It's the bones of a 60-year-old man. And they date the bones. It dates to the first century A.D. It's Caiaphas. And the remarkable thing, Dan,

is we're not looking at some stone inscription or some ancient writing. You're actually holding the bones of the high priest. So this great scene of Jesus' trial and crucifixion kind of comes to life archaeologically because you realize you're looking at real people and real events. That's a, I never heard that story about Caius before. That's, that's incredible. You know, your answer, too, to the Hitchens question, I think is incredible. And it reminded me a bit of another book I'm fascinated by Hugh Ross, who wrote a book, Why the Universe is the way it is,

a very, very brilliant astrophysicist. He writes this book with religious, overtones, but it's not a religious book. It's a book about literally why the universe is the way it is. And I hate that word. Literally, it's overused. And he talks about how you don't understand how intricate and delicate the math and physics that keeps the universe stable for us to see it is. He brings up this one point that if the earth was displaced, I don't know, a couple feet or whatever it may be in a few directions over time. Like, we would not be able to see the expansive nature of the universe. Like, we're in this one pocket of our universe, this one small pocket with a small margin of error

where we can see every, but no one else can. And he gives the physics of it, the astrophysics of it. And he basically says, that's kind of strange, no? Like all these other places, they can't see as what we could. It's almost like we were given this window. And that's why I object to arguments like Hitchens' argument that are very simplistic. Well, he just showed up late after the dinosaurs and decided to fix things because his timeline is off. You don't even understand how sensitive the timeline chronologically is to enable us to see the universe and all the gifts he gave us.

I think the point we're driving on here, Dan, we're both getting at it in slightly different ways, is that skepticism today is kind of on the defensive. It was on the march in earlier decades. But now what's happening is the cumulative evidence is stronger and stronger. And it's stronger in the domain of physics, of biology. If you take, for example, the intricacy of the human cell. The human cell is like a supercomputer. And remember, the cell doesn't evolve, right?

Darwin doesn't say, I'm going to tell you how the cell evolved. Darwin begins with life. And he goes, I'm going to show you how this form of life transformed into that form of life, but he takes life itself for granted. And so now what happens is biologists look at the ingredients of life itself, the DNA, the cell, the molecular machinery of the cell, and it's mind-blowing. You mentioned these facts about the universe, and you're right. Hugh Ross is the man on this topic. Look at the earth. The earth is eight light minutes away from the sun. We kind of have to be where we are. If we're a little closer, we would bake. If we're a little further, we would freeze. So life has to

exist in this narrow band. And the same is true with archaeology. What's happened with archaeology now is that there has been a piling up of evidence, and some of it is tiny detail. I'll give one more example. So in the book of Jeremiah, Jeremiah is kind of this doom and gloom prophet, and he's warning the king that bad things are going to happen to him. And the king is really mad. His name is Zataka, and he rounds up two of his sidekicks, kind of like interns. And they're named in the Bible. One is Zhrahu Karl's son of Shalamaya. The other is Gadalia son of Paschur.

Weird names. And the king goes, you guys go like keep an eye on Jeremiah and report back to me. And so these guys do that. They become sort of spies. They follow Jeremiah around. At one point, they throw them into a pit. And I've actually stood in that pit. And so, but they are minor characters in the Bible.

They are in a few verses and a couple of chapters. And then they disappear off the same. stage of biblical history. Now, fast forward 2,500 years and they're digging in an area of Jerusalem called the Ophel right near the temple, and out of the ground come these clay seals. Now, the seals are made of clay. They're used to seal correspondence, and the correspondence, of course, has disappeared, but the seals remain. And one of the seals has a name on it, Jehu called son of Shalamaya. And two years later, another seal, Gadalia, son of Paschur. Now, come on.

I mean, the beauty of this is that suddenly these biblical extras jump into the pages of history via the pathway of archaeology. And the details are so obscure that the archaeologist, sometimes secular guys who find these seals, they don't even know who these people are. They take the seal, they put it somewhere, and then later someone's looking at it in a museum,

and they go, wait a minute, that guy's in the Bible. That guy's in the book of Jeremiah. And so this is the way that biblical archaeology has, in small cases and large, been authenticating the scripture. But more than that, it also shows the presence of the Jews and their ancestral homeland. I mean, going back thousands of years, by the way, Dan, so when I hear things like, you know, the Jews are colonizers, I'm like, wait a minute. How do you colonize your own land? This is like accusing the Indians of colonizing India, the Irish of colonizing Ireland. It's absurd.

And let's remember that America and the West are built on the foundations of Athens and Jerusalem. Athens, of course, referring to classical reason, Socrates, free speech, democracy, but Jerusalem referring to creation, the Exodus, the Ten Commandments, the wisdom of the prophets, and the Proverbs, of course, the Messiah Jesus. So this book is a sort of intellectual defense of Jerusalem. but doing it using the greatest discoveries of 150 years of biblical archaeology. Book is called The Stones Cry Out, available now for pre-order. Dinesh, just kind of switching gears a little bit, but not really.

You know, we're talking about, you know, faith and, you know, faith in higher big our God-given rights, you know, things that matter that are universal to all of us. But faith can be a bad thing, too. I think we both agree. If you have faith in an idea that's self-destructive and you refuse to let it go, then faith can be destructive too. What I like about religion is, you know, the Ten Commandments and these guiding points you have in the Bible and the lessons by Jesus lead us in a positive direction.

I bring it up because you've seen this return of something you've been fighting for, and I appreciate your work for decades far longer than me, socialism. It's bad. I don't even want to say it's back. It's never really gone anywhere, but you see it just like the anti-Semitic nonsense. It resurfaces. It gets pushed down by the real world when it comes back again.

But it requires really a perverse act of faith that this next generation of socialists are going to be the right ones. That despite every generation of socialists that's tried, it's result in murder, destruction, imprisonment, poverty, mass starvation, that the next generation is going to get it. I really like Brandon Gill. You know Brandon quite well, obviously. But it's going to require congressmen

and political leaders in the Republican side like Brandon, who what they do is very smart. They let these hearings, they let these socialists and others answer the questions themselves and try to explain in their own words the nonsensical belief that it's going to work next time. There's an asymmetry here, Denesh.

Socialism's easy to explain. Everybody's going to get stuff. It's going to be great. It's going to be free. The hard work is on our side where we have to message it. I think he engages that tool up on the Hill Gray. Let them explain it. Watch what happens when they engage in this ridiculous circular reasoning.

Yeah, I have a couple of thoughts about this. The first one, a general point about faith and reason. Notice that the areas in which Christians have faith are areas that are not susceptible to empirical verification. In other words, it's outside the bounds of experience. If I say, for example, I have faith that there's life after death. It's because there's no empirical evidence one way or the other. None of us can go to the other side of the curtain and see for ourselves.

So the faith is reasonable in that it is based upon a domain that can't be checked out. Similarly, if I say I have a belief in an eternal creator of the universe who is a spirit, that is similarly something that is not subject to sort of universal empirical verification in a kind of scientific sense. Now, let's switch to socialism. In socialism, you have all kinds of empirical evidence, right? You have evidence of North Korea versus South Korea. Compare the two.

You have evidence of East Germany versus West Germany. And these are really good examples because we're talking about the same people with the same background. Of course, if you compare two very different countries, you could say, well, it's the German culture versus the African culture or something like that. But we're comparing countries made up of the same ethnic group that have tried two rival economic systems and look at the results. I think what's going on now with these democratic socialists is that the leadership kind of knows all this. And so they are not really being motivated by idealism. quite honestly, I think they're motivated by gangsterism. They are using the socialist sort of a snake oil to try to install themselves in power,

whereas their real goal is to feast off the carcass of these blue cities and extract wealth from them and have power over the people there, try to keep them in a kind of state of perpetual dependency. So it's a gangster operation marching behind an idealistic band. It's not idealistic anymore because no reasonable person today can look at social. I mean, think about it. Socialism is the most discredited ideas in slavery, right? Can anyone with a straight face? It's unbelievable.

Can anyone with a straight face say today? You know, slavery, it's been tried, but, you know, it's not been done the right way. This time, we're going to do slavery right. I mean, no one would say that. It's too absurd. And yet that's exactly what people do say with regard to socialism. I mean, the Hall of the door, I mean, the examples, You forget Cameroge.

Like there's so many examples. Sometimes when I'm discussing it on the program here, I go, oh, damn, I should have mentioned that one too. You're right. It's just like the evidence is, please. And with the surrogate brain of AI now, I'm sorry, but there's just no excuse to be stupid. We say on the show all the time,

I don't mean to be, you know, crass about it, but stupid is a choice now. You can just go to AI and ask questions and get answers. Deneh, I really appreciate all your work, not just now, the years, you know, I've been a big supporter of all of your work. If you haven't seen Dinesh's library debates on college campuses going back 20 years, some of it's just gold. My favorite is him debunking the Southern Strategy nonsense about the Republican Party, my personal favorite.

Dinesh, thanks a lot for your time. Good luck with the book. The book is called The Stones Cry Out. Please pick it up on pre-order today. There's evidence, folks. All you got to do is read it. Deneh, thanks for your time. Dan, always a pleasure. I love that guy, folks. He's been I've been around this movement for a really long time. And for those of you missed, I put in Dinesh's Southern Strategy when he just dismantles this guy. Like, the Republican Party appealed to the racist, horrible people in the South. And Denech was like, really?

That's kind of interesting because as the South started to dump de facto and de Jure racism and became a more diverse place, it also became, that's crazy, more Republican, it's so weird. It's almost like it's the opposite argument. Just kind of common sense, right? man i again great guy check out his book thanks again for tuning it make sure you tune in to haley at noon sean farish following after that rumble dot com slash hailey rumble dot com slash shahawn and at vince every morning at eight a m how do we watch on rumble i get this question just download the rumble app what does

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