The Dan Bongino Show - What REALLY Happened In Wisconsin? | Episode 13

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

Good news and bad news came yesterday. Both Florida races were won swiftly and handily securing FL as a red stronghold. However, strangely in Wisconsin, voter ID laws passed very early on but Brad Schimel, Republican candidate for WI Supreme Court, did not win his race. What happened? Who's at fault? In this episode: I'll break down all of the races yesterday and Christopher Bedford from The Blaze joins me to discuss. Charlie Kirk - We did a lot in Wisconsin, but we fell short. https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1907251439552053249 Americans Endorse Both Early Voting and Voter Verification https://news.gallup.com/poll/652523/americans-endorse-early-voting-voter-verification.aspx Trump's 'Liberation Day' will help create a new Golden Age for American workers https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trumps-liberation-day-help-create-new-golden-age Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Vince. Cory Booker goes over 24 hours without peeing. That's the real amazing thing he did this week. Also we've got big results from Wisconsin. What do they mean? What do we learn from all of this? I'm gonna dive into that. The great Chris Bedford is stopping by here on the program.

And of course, as always, I'll talk to you in the Rumble Chat. Love having your comments on everything going on in the country. I wanna get your reaction. Start piling them up. Let me know. What do you think happened yesterday during the April Fool's Day elections? My deep dive into that in just a moment. So glad to have you with us as always.

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special elections in both Florida and Wisconsin. You and I have been talking about this in depth over the course of the past week. And I'm getting some reactions pouring in, including Dygowski 21 saying, Vince is in the t-shirt size schmedium. Thank you for that election analysis. Oh, it's Diego, I should have said that.

Diego Diaski, I don't even know. Anyway, thank you for that. So what is going on in Wisconsin? Wisconsin voted for voter ID. So that's one good thing, said Armageddon. That's right. So let's just start with, said Armageddon. That's right. So let's just start with some of the good news here. In Wisconsin, the voters in that state

voted overwhelmingly yesterday to say, yes, we love voter ID. We love it so much. We want it enshrined in the state constitution. Now, this is an important thing because Wisconsin already had voter ID as a part of its law. But the challenge in Wisconsin is that the lefty Supreme Court there, which has been in power and is now retaining power, more on

that in a moment, has been threatening to unseat voter ID, to make it more vulnerable to voter fraud in the state. The voters there saying, we don't want it to be more vulnerable to voter fraud. And so they've enshrined it in the state constitution. They've added one further barrier to that radical Supreme Court tearing up election integrity in the state. That is a massive, massive win. And you should, we should acknowledge that. We should take it for what it is. Simultaneously in Florida, those two Republican seats in Congress, well, they're still Republican. So they're not pickups, they're retentions. But in both of those cases, the Republican candidates winning in those special elections in Florida to replace both Matt Gaetz

and Mike Waltz. So again, I'll take it. Those are victories. I'm happy to have them. But the Wisconsin Supreme Court race yesterday didn't go our way. It didn't go our way. It didn't. Brad Schimel lost to Susan Crawford and it wasn't a close race. This wasn't like a narrow little race. It was a 10 point loss.

Susan Crawford ending as of this morning with 55% of the vote to Brad Schimel's 45% of the vote. It's not close. It's not close. So what happened here? Well, let's unwind the election a little bit. For one, let's look at voter turnout. One thing that we've been discussing that you should definitely know by now, you saw it happen in 2024, that if Republicans are going to win in the era where Trump has reshaped the party into a party that serves the needs of everyday Americans.

You've got to get low propensity voters out to vote. Low propensity. Do you know what low propensity means? Low propensity means they don't show up every election. They only show up occasionally when you can really speak to an issue that matters to them. They'll show up. It wasn't always this way. Republicans used to have high propensity voters, the kinds of voters who would show up always all the time, no matter what.

And this comes from the era of the country club Republican, where you had college educated, high income Republicans, people who were very active in their communities and civil society stuff. And they would show up to vote on a routine basis on all these elections, whether or not they were They would show up to vote on a routine basis on all these elections, whether or not they were a standard presidential election, midterms, off year. This one yesterday was off year, off cycle. It's about as off, off, off as you can possibly get.

It's an odd year election at an odd time of year. It's not November, it's in April, special elections. And so Republicans, their challenge is we gotta get these low propensity voters out. How many people actually voted yesterday in Wisconsin? What was a big number for an off-year, off-cycle election? It was 2.3 million people who voted. Do you know how many people voted in the presidential election last year?

3.4 million. So 2.3 million yesterday, 3.4 million, an additional over 1 million people voted in that presidential election last year. Do you know how much Trump won that election by in Wisconsin? Less than a point. Less than a point. It wasn't quite a nail biter, but it was close in Wisconsin. President Trump picked that up.

Of course he picked up every swing state in last year's contest. But what this should tell you is that you need to figure out a way to get the low propensity voter to actually show up. Now I'm seeing a lot of people doing some finger pointing today. This always happens in the wake of these elections where Republicans have, you know, you're feeling a little dejected about how things went in a particular race. This is a meaningful race. And for whatever reason, I'm seeing people pointing fingers at Scott Pressler as if that guy had somehow let everybody down. Scott Pressler did not let anybody down. Scott Pressler brought his operation to the state. He was able to get people,

including people in this very chat, to send text messages to get all of these votes out there. To get out the vote component of this. Scott was in there in a very aggressive way. And there were a number of other groups that did that too. Elon Musk was spending money through America PAC, turning point action was in there, the Libre initiative, to get out the vote component of this. Well, they were out there. They were on the streets. They were sending the text messages. They were doing the work. Here's where I detect a failure. The message is the message. So I went back and I looked at the advertising for Susan Crawford and Brad Schimmel. I said, what are these guys even talking about? Like what are they, what are they advertised

to the people of Wisconsin about the merits of their candidacies? Why would you support each of these people? And in Susan Crawford's case, if you can believe it, she ran, she's now, she's the lefty. She is the radical lefty who now is getting a seat on this state Supreme Court. She ran on the idea that she is tough on crime. That's right. She said she was tough on crime. George Soros was funding the effort to get her into office. She's not tough on crime, but this is the game of pretend they were playing. Advertising we are tough on crime. Advertising that Brad Schimel is weak on crime, trying to turn a strength into a weakness for her Republican backed opponent.

And then of course she ran, as all lefties do, on the issue of abortion. She said that she was going to protect a woman's right to choose to kill a child. Of course, they don't say kill a child in the ad. It's not popular in the advertising. But these are the issues that she ran on. And if you go back to the exit poll in Wisconsin, from just a couple months ago to the presidential election, and you look at the data there,

you can see why she did that. It's obvious. In Wisconsin, do people want crime in their communities? No, they don't. They want you to get tough on crime. They'd like the crime to stop, please. No more Kenosha's, no more any of it. They want it to stop. And so she ran on that, whether or not she's even going to do it. She's not. I mean,

George Soros supports her. She's a weak on crime person, but she pretended. And on the issue of abortion, once again, she looks at the polling and she says, well, this will activate my base to come out and vote. And it did Democrats in the state of Wisconsin yesterday. Meanwhile, what did Brad Schimel's campaign run on? Brad Schimel's campaign ran on a message that you and I can understand for sure, which is we don't want Democrats to have more power. Brad Schimel's campaign was wrapped up, at least the people were advocating for him, spending money on him. They were running ads like, well, if the left wins here, Republicans might lose congressional seats,

because the Supreme Court will redraw the district lines. Okay, that means something to me. That means a lot to me. If that ad was built for me, I would say, man, that's really, that's horrifying. If that ad was built for you, you would say, that's horrifying. We don't want that.

We can't give Democrats any more power. We can't let them any more power. We can't let them steal congressional seats. We can't let that happen. But what does that mean to the average Wisconsin voter who is a low propensity turnout person who on who half you know, half of Wisconsin voters have a union member in their household. Did you know that? Half half of Wisconsin voters have at least one union member in their household? Did you know that? Half, half of Wisconsin voters

have at least one union worker in their household. What does that mean to those families, those low propensity voters? What do they think of Washington to begin with? What do they think of these political parties? Do they feel well served by them? Are they so interested in the well-being of the Republican Party that they look around and they go, man, I really got to stand up for Republicans. Hell no. You think they care about the well-being of the Republican Party? Not a chance. It's not about the party. In the end, these elections, especially with low propensity voters, are like, why would I show up to vote? I don't always show up to vote. I occasionally do. What's the rationale for why I would show up to vote? I don't always show up to vote. I occasionally do. What's the rationale for why I would show up to vote? You know why Wisconsin voters showed up for Trump?

You know why they did that? The top two reasons, immigration and the economy. Immigration and the economy. That's it. Those are the big numbers. Immigration was the biggest. The economy was the second. And so how did Republicans speak to those

needs in order to bring out low propensity voters? Oh, it turns out they didn't in Wisconsin. And so as we analyze this vote, it's probably important to say, okay, so we have a get out the vote effort. You guys, guys like Scott Pressler are doing a good job. You have people in our RumbleChat who were literally texting people in Wisconsin to get them out. But what about the messages? What advertising were they seeing? What reason would they go to the polls here?

And it can't be enough to say you have to support Republicans. That's ridiculous. It can't be enough. Now, here's the thing. We've got concern. I've seen a lot of concern about, okay, Vince, they're not always saying Vince, but generally on social media. What about the role that fraud played here?

What about the role of fraud? Maybe the election was stolen. Now let me just look at the margin with you for a moment. First of all, it's a 10 percentage point margin. So if it was fraud that resulted in this outcome, it would be a massive, massive, massive amount of fraud that would lead to this outcome. That's one. Two, people point in the fraud case, they point to, well, look at the voter ID initiative. Voter ID. You've got people who voted for a constitutional amendment to add voter ID to the state of

Wisconsin and they voted for the radical lefty to join the Supreme Court. How could that possibly be? How could both of those things happen in the same election? And the answer to that question, at least on a basic level, is why don't we just take a look at support for voter ID? Where is that at? And it turns out that Americans of every political persuasion, wildly support voter ID.

I'm sure many of you know this by now, but this is, this is such a stinker for the Democrats, such a loser for that party. That they've actually deemphasized their messaging around this. They don't, they candidly, they rarely talk about this issue. Occasionally you see them talk about it, but they rarely talk about voter ID anymore because it's like men and women's sports. Nobody is for that. Nobody's for men and women's sports and not having an ID to vote, nobody is for that. In fact, by majorities, Democrats, 67% of Democrats say you should have an ID to vote. That was a Gallup survey in October of last year before the presidential election. That's in the heat of political debate in the United States of America. 67% of Democrats nationwide said, you should have a voter ID

to vote. Republicans, 98%, independents, 84%. This issue, in case you ever look back and you're thinking like, hey, where have conservatives actually won? What are the fights that we've won on? Well, we've won on law and order. Americans want law and order. They don't like the cast. I don't like the riots. It's a crystal clear message. They want to support the cops. We've won on that issue. Boom, done. We've won on men and women's sports. People don't want men and women's sports, no more games, no more playing with the mental illness. It's insane. No more cheating in women's sports. Americans are

wildly with us. So if you're looking for areas where we've we've dominated, that's definitely those are definitely areas. The other is voter ID. Everybody supports voter ID, regardless of your political party. So yes, at the at the upper levels of the party, you have devious political operatives among Democrats who are trying to stop voter ID from coming into place because they do believe that fraud works to their benefit. They do believe that not having an ID is a way for them to win elections.

But meanwhile, the rest of the country, to include a whole bunch of people who vote for Democrats, overwhelming majorities, support voter ID. So if you're looking for anything to help you sort of understand, make sense of some of this in Wisconsin, look no further than that. That is a crystal clear expression of where voters are. It's true in not just the nation. It's true in Wisconsin. Look no further than that. That is a crystal clear expression of where voters are. It's true in not just the nation, it's true in Wisconsin too. Wisconsin surveys have demonstrated that it's wildly popular voter ID. That's why it's now enshrined in the constitution in Wisconsin. That explains that. And then finally, on this issue of fraud, as we

look to it as a potential for an explanation, I am in no way ruling out the role that fraud can play in any election. I never roll out how devious Democrats can be in their pursuit of power to include rigging elections to their benefit. Not at all. Here's what I want to caution you against though. Don't for a damn minute use that as a reason to get lazy about all of the other explanations that you can, we can, that the, that Republicans can, that conservatives can address to actually attract voters to their side to make these

elections in the words of President Trump, too big to rig, too big to rig. So there's this impulse I've seen occasionally on the right, which is like, oh, well, elections get stolen and therefore there's no reason to finger. It's insanity. You can't take that attitude because you have to be able to go onto the field and fight. So you should fight for election integrity. You should fight for credible elections. You should fight to make sure voter ID is there. Absolutely. You should fight to audit the way elections are conducted. You should establish whether or sure voter ID is there. Absolutely. You should fight to audit the way elections are conducted.

You should establish whether or not there is evidence of fraud in these elections, 100%. But don't for a second use that as an excuse not to address the fundamental problems in your own party. So if it's, this can't be, look, Trump can't be the only guy from now on who is capable of winning elections for the Republicans. Trump has rewritten the entire playbook and then handed it to the rest of us,

and handed it in particular to these Republican candidates, and he says, use this. And that brings me to today. That brings me to today. The United States of America today is launching reciprocal tariffs against the countries who have taken advantage of us for many decades. Reciprocal tariffs. There's this theory going on, including in some corners of the right, the so-called free market people, the free trade people. They're not free trade people. If your position is that Trump should not fight back here, you're not a free trade person. You're not fighting for free trade, you're fighting to let us continue to be taken advantage of, to hollow out manufacturing cities in the country, to hurt places like Wisconsin,

which is dependent on manufacturing industry and agriculture and dairy. There's a reason we call we have cheeseheads in Wisconsin. There's a lot of dairy products there. There's a reason we call, we have cheese heads in Wisconsin. There's a lot of dairy products there. This country is being taken advantage of, and it has been for decades, many decades. And today, President Trump is announcing a way to fight back. We are not starting a trade war today. We are trying to end one.

We are trying to fight back in a world where other countries, a lot of them, all across the planet have been waging a trade war against us. And so what does that mean for Wisconsin? What does that mean for the voters there? Well, it means a great deal. If you have a, you're in a situation where you can look at Wisconsinites and say, I'm going to fight for your family. You remember how your community used to be thriving? Do you remember when you didn't have blight and crime all over the place? Do you remember what it was like to have a productive community, a manufacturing base,

agriculture, healthy exports? Do you remember this? What happened to this place? Why are things on the slide? And the answer to that is they've been sold out by their leaders. What happened to this place? Why are things on the slide? And the answer to that is they've been sold out by their leaders. So it's no wonder they did the messaging, which is like, hey, you need to keep Republicans in power.

They're like, up yours. Why do I got Republicans? I don't care about that. The message should be, we are going to restore your livelihood. We're gonna make Wisconsin great again. We're gonna fight back against the people who are hurting you and your families and So as we come out of the Wisconsin election the Supreme Court election and we come into today

where the president of the United States is saying I'm gonna fight back on your behalf. He ran on this Wisconsin elected him on this basis What did I tell you? Number one was immigration. Number two is the economy. Number two, that's in 2024, the exit polls in Wisconsin, the economy. What does that mean to the average Wisconsin family? What does that mean to the average Wisconsin family who has labor union members inside of their own household? 50% of them do.

It means they need somebody who's going to fight for them and they need the rationale for why they would show up is to restore their livelihoods. And the rationale for why they would vote against Susan Crawford, this radical leftist, is because she is a part of the effort to continue destroying them. That's what matters. And so today, President Trump is stepping forward to fight back in a big way. And it would behoove Republicans to stop being so squeamish about getting on board with the Trump agenda and do it right now. Because if you don't, you'll end up in the very political wilderness that the left is spending time in right now. And they absolutely hate, absolutely

hate to the point that they're trying to pick off anything they can, including Wisconsin Supreme Court seats. In a moment, I want to get your reaction to all of this. I know your messages are pouring in on the chat. It's a big day. We should learn some lessons from this. If you're sitting around all mopey and dour, you got the long rest. You got the wrong lesson out of this. We don't need any EOS, do we? We don't need this thanks for notice and nonsense. No, we need fighters. So come out of this, learn something, use it. That's the key. Hey, the reason we can do these episodes for free is because of our great sponsors. This episode is brought to you by Ammo Squared. You remember the great ammo shortage of 2020?

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Check them out today. You must be 18 or older and not prohibited from possessing ammo. You must be 21 for handgun ammunition. All right. Thank you very much. Laura tuning says Vince, this should have been your show for the days leading up to this election. Well, Laura, you're right. You're right. There are messaging components to this that just living through the results helps you think about

more clearly. I agree with you. But remember, what Scott Pressler was talking about what you and I have been talking about the the impact on the Congress, the impact, the ability for Democrats to have more power, that does mean something to me. It does mean something to you. So for this audience, it means a great deal. But these important messages are very, very worth looking at. And it's the best thing. Mibroyles01 says, Vince Levitt, dude, keep it up. Thank you for that. Big Balls McGroin asks, how many votes were from invaders, illegals, and dead ballots? Great question, Big Balls, because, you know, as you heard Elon Musk say

on that stage in Wisconsin, they've got countless illegals who've been granted even social security numbers, five and a half million of those, which is just absolutely crazy. And how much fraud is in our system? A lot. We need to get rid of that. We're going to talk to Chris Bedford about this because Chris is a very, very smart observer of all this. He's always very tough, especially on Republicans. He really, he just wants us to win here. He's a great conservative. He just wants to be tough on these guys for good reasons. It's tough love. Let me, I do want to focus a little bit though on some of the other insane nonsense that happened

in the last 24 hours. Little palate cleanser for you. So Cory Booker was consumed with what's good for him. Cory Booker, a just ridiculous human being, the Senator from the state of New Jersey, he took to the Senate floor now, what was it about two days ago? And he decided to start rambling for over 24 hours, not in the pursuit of making your life better.

Not in the pursuit of talking about anything that actually mattered. Not in the pursuit of telling you the truth about anything, not even in the pursuit of stopping some sort of piece of legislation. This was a pointless exercise. And after about almost 24 hours, Cory Booker was delirious and crying on the Senate floor. Take a look here.

When is it going to be enough? My voice is inadequate. My efforts today are inadequate to stop what they're trying to do. But we, the people, are powerful. We are strong. We have changed history. We have bent the arc of the moral universe.

And now is that moral moment again. It's a moral moment again. What a clown. God bless America. We need you now. God bless America. If you love her. If you love your neighbor, if you love this country, show your love. Stop doing what they're trying to doing for almost 20 hours. We have laid out what they're trying to do. 20 hours. I want to stand more and I will

but I'm begging people. Don't let this be another normal day in America. Please God, please God don't let them take Medicaid away from 10, 20, 30 or 40 million Americans who desperately need it. Don't let them do it. Nobody's taking Medicaid away you idiot. This guy is unbelievable. I mean it's totally predictable, but just

like how brazen can you possibly be? So he's standing there like he's Tankman in Tiananmen Square. Like this is like some noble act. Oh, look at me. I stood here for over 20 hours. That's it. That's the achievement. You stood there for over 20 hours. What? Like that, what is this? Like a fear factor stun? I can stand for this long. And apparently he like he started fasting a couple days ago, he claims that even that's probably a lie that he's he was fasting. He's like, so he didn't have to pee for 24 hours. I don't know. He had a lot of glasses of water sitting in front of him. Look how bug-eyed he is. Look how what in the world was happening to

Cory Booker. So, and he was doing this and nobody was watching it. I watched it just to get some amusement out of it. I went and had to pull these clips. This is, this guy's a total tool and he demonstrated it again yesterday in front of the United States Senate. Chuck Schumer interrupted because Chuck Schumer wanted credit for all this. Chuck Schumer, he was annoyed that some other Democrat had the spotlight for that long. Schumer was like, how do I get on camera? What do I do to get on camera?

So Chuck Schumer jumps out to announce that Cory Booker has set a new record for talking. Would the Senator yield for a question? Chuck Schumer, it's the only time in my life I can tell you no I Just want to tell you a question do you know you have just broken the record do you know how proud this caucus is of you Do you know how proud America is of you? America's so proud of you

That's weird. I'm not proud of him at all. I think this is pathetic. Look at him wiping his brow. Everyone's clapping, all the Democrats. The Democrats are clapping for him. What a tool. America's so proud of you. They're acting like he just finished

the all you can eat buffet. Like he ate everything. They didn't think it was possible, but he ate it all. And round of applause. You ever go to one of those restaurants where they have an oversized steak and they're like, he ate it all. And a round of applause. You ever go to one of those restaurants where they have an oversized steak and they're like, nobody can do this. No one's ever done. If you do it, you get your picture on the wall. And Cory Booker just ate the oversized steak and now he gets this picture on the wall. The whole restaurant's clapping for him. It's an amazing achievement, amazing, meaningless

achievement that only serves to fatten up his own head and nothing else. So that was Cory Booker's use of all of this. Scott Jennings, who's always fantastic, he's kind of the feature on CNN, he came out and said, what was this all about? I think it was about nothing. I'm not sure what the point of it is. He didn't stop any legislation. He didn't hold up any nominations. He said it was a moral moment. So I guess, you know, as a Republican, I infer that he thinks half the country is immoral. And that kind of messaging to me is exactly what's been plaguing the Democrats for the last,

certainly in the last election, in the last several months, is this idea that this hatefulness towards your fellow Americans, just because they chose a different party or voted a different way. And our own Harry Inton reported this morning that congressional Democrats have a 21% approval rating. So in some respects, there's nowhere to go without.

Interview with Senator Cory Booker coming up. And Cory Booker, I think, is trying to fill a vacuum. There's no real leadership nationally of the Democratic Party. Obviously, they don't have any confidence in Schumer. They've got a lot of radical voices out there who are trying to take control of the party. So maybe this was an attempt by him to try to, you know, wrest control of the, at least the, you know, the spiritual

leadership of the national party. So, no, you know, ultimately, Scott, what it was, was an attempt by Cory Booker to suck up as much camera time as humanly possible. This guy is so addicted to cameras and microphones being pointed at him that he that you saw on the screen. CNN says interview with Cory Booker coming up. How is an interview coming up? He just he was just up for 27 hours straight peeing through a tube. And now he's like, you know what I need to do now? I need to go on CNN. What I really need is more camera time. Last piece on this. And then we'll get to our great guests and our sponsors here in a moment.

Cory Booker, the reason they went as long as they did 24 hours and 18 minutes, wherever the number was, the reason they went as long as they did is because they wanted to supplant the record of Strom Thurmond, the Democrat who last held the record for arguing against civil rights in the 1960s. This is the this. So basically, you've gone back to back the old the people with the rec the top two records, at least, are both Democrats who won't shut up about how much they want to divide America. Way to go. What an achievement, Cory Booker, one for the record books. Too bad that the Guinness people weren't there. So that he didn't get the certificate for that.

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That was good. That was from memory. Chris, how you doing, man? Fantastic. How are you? Nice to see you here in the Rumble Studios. Chris doesn't work far from here, so this was an easy booking. Um, uh, Chris Wisconsin, I was just, I started the program today saying. That this Wisconsin Supreme court race has a lot of really important lessons built into it that are worth dwelling on. If you want to see the future of the Republican party succeed, if you

want conservative, the Trump agenda in particular to succeed in my view is, it's really simple if you're going gonna get low propensity, blue collar labor voters out to vote, you have to actually tell them why their lives will be enriched by that vote. That seems like a very basic mandate. Yeah, and the Democrats managed to do that, by the way. They got a significantly higher voter turnout than they got for the 2016 Wisconsin Senate race,

than for the last race two years ago before the presidential for the 2016 Wisconsin Senate race than for the last race two years ago before the presidential, the last off year race. We're talking 51% of voters in Wisconsin are able to vote actually came out. So it's, and it's, and it's not like on this one that people who had voted for Donald Trump said, you know, I liked him then, but I'm gonna vote for this, the Democrat Supreme Court now. They just didn't come because no one told them actually how this was going to impact their life. People told them this will negatively impact

the Republican Party of Wisconsin. Yes. But that's not your bills, that's not your groceries, that's not what you care about, that's not the things that actually make a difference to your life. The Republican Party doesn't actually have the name brand or the reputation that Donald Trump has. They have to catch up. I mean, in almost every single race in November, last November,

Donald Trump outperformed the Republican Party. So they need to come up with actual messages. But one of the mistakes I think people make is thinking that it's just Trump's personality, which is amazing. Trump's got a lot of charisma. He's amusing and people really like him. And they do believe that he's sincere about fighting for them. That's all true. And Republicans would do well to get lessons from that. But here's the lesson I want to see them get the issues. Trump secures the border. Trump stops the crime. Trump fights back against the people taking advantage of us. Trump promises to cut your taxes and Trump promises to restore manufacturing to the United States of America

How hard is it to run on these issues? Instead what Republicans in Wisconsin ran on was like, oh no if Democrats win Then Republicans might lose some power in Congress people don't care about that point. They care about the endgame now I understand the Democrats have a couple things going for them. Generally speaking on this you got the Dobs decision You've got you Dobs decision. You could get everyone who cares about abortion as their number one issue, which is way too many people, out to vote for you. But there's really never been an easier time, I think, for Republicans to message on the

idea that control of the courts is important. Every single level of President Trump's agenda has been stopped, not on legal merits, by completely deranged rulings from partisan Democrat judges. This is the kind of message you need to get out there. If you want to see jobs come back to this country, if you want to see gang members who are here illegally deported and leave this country, if you want to see a military that puts effectiveness

and fitness for duty before some kind of social experiment first, if you want to see changes in our schools and in our cities, then you need to change the judiciary and not have these wacko judges and that messaging and the turnout game. That's the main thing the Democrats have. The National Republican Party getting significantly better at it,

but the state parties need to get up on that turnout game. Combine those two and you start to win again. But also it's like, a lot of the rules have changed. Everything's changed. Like, so Republicans now are the party of low propensity voters. The entire country supports voter ID.

It's not even really a battle at all. That was wild. Yeah. Wisconsin voted for it entirely because Democrats supported by majority. So, and like, so there's, I think sometimes you get caught up in like old thinking about elections or like, and you don't realize like right now, for instance, um, this is where Scott Pressler again deserves a lot of credit. Among people who are not registered to vote

but are of voting age Americans, they're Trump supporters. Register more people to vote. Republicans should be aggressively registering people to vote. It's so true that by the way, you know, last year, there were some stories early in the presidential election that Democrats were hesitating on doing voter drives. Exactly.

Because they were concerned that too many Trump supporters would be registered to vote. The Democrats, the big study came out with interviews with millions of people. I think it was eight million people interviewed total. There was released last Monday that said, Democrats, by the way, it wasn't that your voters stayed home.

It was that they said they didn't vote for you. It's that a lot of people switched. It was huge switches. And vote for you. It's that a lot of people switched, it was huge switches. And if you actually got every legal voter in the United States to come out for that election, Donald Trump would have won the national vote by five points. It's been a complete and total shape. And of course it is.

I mean, remember the way the Democrats were talking, remember the way that Kamala Harris was doing her campaign commercials? She'd get on there and say, come on girl. And she'd have a accent that was from the block or whatever, but she'd be talking about transgender issues. She'd be talking about the issues that care about to Elizabeth Warren's friends,

like white college professors at Harvard University. Exactly. Those are faculty lounge issues. They weren't actually things that anyone cares about, which is why, despite Cory Booker's just wonderful soliloquy that we've been listening to for 12 hours. The, their approval ratings are in the dumps. Yes.

That doesn't mean Republicans can rest though. If they, now they need to make the case. Democrats have made the case that they stink. Now Republicans need to make the case that they're good. Let me just use a violent metaphor. It's time to finish them off. Yeah. Like, just, just finish them off.

It's a metaphor, ladies and gentlemen, fact checkers, but I'm just saying, like, like the party is their parties and shambles. There's really no excuse for this. There's really no excuse for this. So what needs to happen here is I, let me, I want to shift to tariffs with you now today is president Trump is announcing reciprocal tariffs today. And what I've noticed, have you noticed this? Conservatives don't really have the stomach. I'm talking about conservative punditry. I'm talking about Republican

politicians. People, one, they don't, it doesn't seem like they even understand the issue of tariffs, like what's happening. And two, they're squeamish. They're like really hesitant to join the president in his agenda here. And I think that's a huge problem. Like you have to get, wrap your head around the damn problem, which is there's a trade war going on and we haven't been fighting it. We've been the victim of it. And now it's time to reciprocate. Well, that's exactly right.

You see it in the culture war with Republicans who say, we don't want to fight about the culture war. It said the culture war is not an offensive battle from the right. It's a defensive battle. Amen. The enemy is literally in your daughter's locker room. This is a complete, this war is here regardless of what you want.

And the same thing is true with tariffs. The same thing is true with trade. The United States has dropped all of its barriers, protecting all of its workers, protecting its products in order to boost its GDP and make a couple of people wealthier. It's been an experiment over the last couple of decades. Ross Perot was completely correct.

Bill Clinton was wrong. H.W. Bush was wrong. Both parties were wrong on this. Dick Cheney was wrong. Bush was wrong all the way through. Barack Obama was wrong on this. This is completely hollowed out. The core of the United States, our industrial capacity,

our work and families, service jobs are not a replacement for it. In the meantime, just like you pointed out in your newsletter this morning, Canada is hammering us with tariffs. They attack the increase in the cost of goods for us to export our goods to Europe. Even the ones that were allowed to to China, to Canada are massive. And it has an impact because they protect their workers and we don't. And we've considered it a public service, but it's hollowed out

the country. And Donald Trump is going to fight back and try to end that. And it's also good. I think people just can't. There's a lot of it is like nobody spends any time explaining how things are and used to be used to be we didn't have an income tax, we should generate all of our government's revenue when the government was a lot smaller and a lot less bloated on tariffs. That's how the country operated until the income tax was established early in the last century.

The other piece is that this is really a lot of this is product of post-World War II. So the United States goes in, helps to save the planet and the return, the, the reaction we get from the rest of the planet is because we had such a productive industrial base going through World War Two, the rest of the planet thought we had an unfair advantage in terms of manufacturing. So they built up tariffs in all of their countries. And ever since then, they've been tariffing the hell out of us in order to build an artificial

advantage up for their own countries. And as a result, they've been taking advantage of the United States of America. And during that timeframe, our manufacturing base has collapsed. We've lost so much of what America made America energetic and great. And that brings us to today where President Trump is announcing these reciprocal tariffs. And there's these doomsday things going on. Oh, it's going to raise prices on consumers. It's like, oh, we're going to raise prices on consumers. Well, first of all, that's a brain dead take because the way that tariffs work is more elastic than that. It's not just an even, oh, prices go up evenly.

Our international trade is actually a small portion of our economy. Most of our economy is actually domestic trade between the states. Most of it is. This is, as my friend, cousin, and economist, E.J. Antony, points out, the United States is a massive free trade zone of states that are all doing trade with one another. That is predominantly what's going on in our economy. But even if prices went up in the worst case scenario,

here's the projection. Worst case scenario, prices go up. $450 billion impact on the American economy. That would be the worst case scenario. Do you know what President Trump's tax cuts are gonna do for the American economy if they get these passed? $4.5 trillion.

So the trade off is 10 to one. So if President Trump can get his agenda fulfilled in the worst case scenario, prices go up 450 billion and we get a $4.5 trillion return on those tax cuts. You tell me how that's a bad deal for us. And that's how the trade war actually happens as opposed to other countries dropping their barriers and those barriers, even in domestic trade, they impact you over and over again. My eyes were kind of open to this when I was traveling cross-country reporting on COVID shutdowns, now businesses are going by, talking to some legit cowboys outside of Peirce, South

Dakota, who were branding that day. And they were telling me, listen, I'm not allowed to put Made in the USA on my beef that I raise here. You can see the cattle, it's right here. I'm going to send this to the slaughterhouse, to feedlot, to the slaughterhouse, to the grocery store, and it can't say Made in the USA. And I said, why? It turns out that some DC bureaucrat had made a deal with the Brazilians who said it was unfair for American farmers to sell meat that said Made in the USA because then they couldn't

compete with Brazilian beef. Now, by the way, if you're a wealthy person, you just go to Whole Foods, you can get the name of the farm there. That's not illegal. But the farmer in Peirce, South Dakota, the rancher is not allowed to do that. These are the rules. And so much of this, and the American people have just assumed, well, that's just the way it is.

That's the way the business works. And Republicans and Democrats have said, that's the free market. But it's not. These are the results of specific policies, actions, bureaucratic decisions and trade-offs that have been made and they're gonna break down. So to your point, that you're talking about if the trade war actually happens.

Well, if we fight back in it. Yeah, and how much will foreign countries fight back? Yeah. How much pain is Canada willing to take? How much pain is Europe willing to take? How much pain is Europe willing to take? If they start to crack and break, then maybe this whole thing blows over and we actually do get some free trade.

And they will. So here's the thing. Trade with the United States is a massive part of these economies. It's not, what did I say a moment ago? International trade for the United States is a much smaller piece of our economy. We have a massive economy, huge.

But for these countries, like places like Canada, which is manufacturing American auto parts, like crazy, Mexico too, all of these countries, they are very dependent on American trade. These tariffs are going to mean a lot more to them than they are to us, a lot more pain. And so I think what you'll see in the ensuing days, if everyone can get behind the president here and just say, Hey, we're all on board. This is serious. He means business. That's what leads to positive results.

You have to fight back. It's like, it's like, we know we it's, it's in the concept that we understand with, um, atomic weapons, right? With nuclear weapons, PACS, Atomica, like, like mutually assured destruction. You fire nukes at us. We're firing nukes at you. We're all going down here. It's PACS terrifica.

It's okay. You're going to fire tariffs at us. We'll fire tariffs at you. And here's what's different than nukes at you, we're all going down. Here it's Pax terrifica. It's okay, you're going to fire tariffs at us, we'll fire tariffs at you. And here's what's different than nukes. We're not going to die. You will. You will. And so, again, this is a big day. I want to I do want to offer one one critique of of the messaging coming out of the White House about this, though. I'm all on board. Obviously, President Trump's on board. I do think he's been a little bit poorly served, though, in this fight. What should have happened this week, and I haven't seen it, is the White House should have released a full list of every heinous tariff that is imposed on

the United States by the worst actors on the planet. That should be, that cheat sheet should be everywhere on social media right now, and it is not. And so there are some areas here where I think people could better serve the president by getting that kind of information out because it's driving me crazy. It's like the most obvious thing. Show me Canada's got 100, 300, effectively 360% tariffs on dairy, that should be top line item.

President Trump keeps mentioning that, but there's a million other examples of that and those should be front and center. So the American people are like, that's right. Screw them. I'm on board. I want to fight back. What people don't know is that when I first got a job in news media, you were, what you were my first pitch editor.

So I'm taking that pitch you gave me and I'm going to take it to blaze.com. And I'm saying, which reporter is free right now? I need a list of the top tariffs, bring it up and put it out there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it just seems so freaking important, man. Um, you are the best. And one, I have one more question for you.

I saw that your lovely wife was reporting on this subject, uh, uh, Edwards and immediate family, um, that these judges that are trying to stop president Trump's deportation agenda. One of them who is trying to, so Trump's kind of trying to get rid of temporary protective status for Venezuelans who are in the United States. They were supposed to be gone April 6,

I think was the date. And a judge just interfered, some like whack job Northern California Obama appointee and said the reason that she's interfering is because Trump is a racist and therefore he's not allowed to lift. Oh yeah. So the temporary protective status.

The temporary protective status, the whole idea is to target specific groups of people who have been impacted by something specific like an earthquake in their country for temporary relief in this country and for a few months until their country can be restored. This is something that's been taken advantage of. A lot of people have been here for years and years and years. It keeps on getting extended. And on January 17th, Mallorca is extended for a whole other year, temporary protective status for Venezuelans.

So when president Trump came in and said, we're resetting that, this crazy, I'm the president, this is, this is a theme of these democratic rulings. The judge isn't saying you don't have the power to do that. Everyone knows the president has the power to do that. The judge isn't even saying, well, you're not allowed to target this group because all of these things are targeted, the judge admits that in the ruling. The judge is saying, well, you made fun of these countries

eight years ago and called them a bad name, therefore I'm calling it animus. I'm gonna appeal to the equal protection clause. And if you look at a bunch of these rulings, Sarah does the work, she's the nerdy reporter in the family. She reads like 40 page judicial rulings and she finds these nuggets. Almost all of these orders that are coming out

are not based on what is the president is allowed to do. They're claiming animus. Oh, well you did this because you're racist. You did this because you don't like it. It's like an abusive relationship. You're arguing with someone who's like, it's like totally emotional. These are not lawyers. These are not people that are like predicating their

decisions on the law. Like I don't like you. You said something mean seven years ago. By the way, the mean thing that he apparently said wasn't even something that any of us heard. It was reported by the Washington Post. It's when supposedly that Trump referred to countries that are shitty as shit whole countries. I was wondering if I'm allowed to say it on the air. You're on a podcast.

You can say it. You can say it. So that's what she's basing this on, that you're a racist because you said shit whole countries. First of all, there's not even any documentary evidence for that. It's just literally taking the Washington Post at its word.

But even if he said it, it's true. And what? And why are the people fleeing those countries if they're so bright? Why are they hiding in the wheel wells of airplanes and dying up there to try and get out if they're not desperate? And if you look at the order that came through against Pete Hexeth, the Department of Defense and transgender troops, the judge is talking about all the admirable brave service of transgender warriors. There's nothing in it about

whether or not the president, the commander in chief has the right to decide what fitness requirements should be established for our military as always have. They just said, well, you're anti transgender, which by the way, not even true with Donald Trump. No, it's not. He's a New Yorker. It's so stupid. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Hey, thank you for always being such a good student and analyst of all of it. Chris Bedford with the Blaze. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. It was really great to see you here. Before we check out for the day, I do want to stretch on a little bit on this, uh, this issue of deporting bad people from the country, which is here. You have a situation where you've got guys from El Salvador who are Ms. 13 guys who are being

deported right now by President Trump via Title Eight. And the media yesterday spent the day arguing that we're deporting people who shouldn't be deported, that this is a poor Maryland father who's being deported and he's innocent, he didn't do anything wrong. There's no evidence he did anything wrong. No, there's a lot of evidence that this guy's an MS-13 guy.

Also, it's crystal clear he's illegal. Let me just start with the basics here. This guy is an illegal alien from El Salvador. So where do we send him? We sent him to his home country. So if El Salvador decides we're gonna throw this guy in prison, that's their business to throw him in prison.

That's entirely up to them. So at its core, the basic point here is, we sent him back to his home country. The media is upset about this because they wanna fight for the illegal guy and the MS-13 guy. Listen to my good friend, you know her, Dan Bongino loves her too.

She's wonderful. You knew her before as Amber Athey. She got married since then, then she's Amber Duke. She did some analysis this week. She dove into the documents and looked at this person's specific record. And I just wanna play some of this for you and let you hear how obvious it is

that he's a part of MS-13. Listen to this. He first came illegally to the US in 2011, and it was in 2019 that he was first picked up by immigration authorities in this Home Depot case that they're referencing. And in addition to the confidential informant, and then they said he was wearing Chicago Bulls attire,

which is sometimes means you're a member of MS-13, but obviously not always. But I think one of the- Not everyone who wears Chicago Bulls is a part of the game. Let me pause here. So the Chicago Bulls thing, the media is pretending like that's just an innocent thing. Oh, he's wearing Chicago Bulls apparel. No, it wasn't just wearing one piece of Chicago Bulls apparel.

He was wearing a Chicago Bulls jacket and a Chicago Bulls hat while standing with known MS-13 guys, the Chicago Bulls thing is a clear cut flag for MS-13 membership. It's the bull, it's the horns, it's the, it literally is, it's a satanic cult MS-13, but they use the bull as their mascot. And so they wear Chicago Bulls attire to express their gang affiliation.

This is not some random coincidence. He's not in Illinois. He's not a Michael Jordan fan. He is standing in Maryland next to his MS-13 gangster buddies wearing Chicago Bulls attire because he's MS-13. Keep going. Okay. There also are not a lot of Chicago Bulls fans in Maryland, but the interesting piece of this that hasn't been floated around on Twitter or in a

lot of these media reports that I found particularly compelling is that the other individuals he was with at the Home Depot that he was arrested with were not just MS-13 gang members but actually ranking members of the gang. So I find that to be a more credible piece of evidence. You know, he's hanging around with MS-13 ranking members in an attire that is typically associated with the gang and a confidential informant confirmed not only his gang nickname, but also his rank in the gang. He did not dispute or at least effectively dispute

any of those facts in his first two immigration court hearings. There was the initial hearing where the judge said that they found the evidence credible and he was ordered to be removed. Then he appealed the process and the Board of Appeals, which is obviously made up of a separate group of judges, confirmed that they believe the evidence was credible and that he had not sufficiently rebutted any of the evidence from the authorities.

Then instead of taking it further, he could have appealed again. Instead, what he did is he filed a separate claim in immigration court that he cannot claim an asylum claim after eight years of being in the US illegally. Coming up with this fantastical story about how his family's papusaria back in El Salvador was being targeted by Barrio 18, which is a rival gang to MS-13, which I think is relevant considering he's accused of being an MS-13. So let me pause here. So that's a really critical point. He's claiming that his credible threat is from another gang.

Now, why would another gang be threatening to him? Why would another, because he's a member of MS-13. So the 18th Street gang in El Salvador is a threat to him. And he's using that as a basis to claim asylum because of his gang membership. He's expressing that he's a gang member by making this claim. And he's got family members. He's got brothers who live right there in El Salvador who are not similarly threatened for some reason. Oh, maybe they're not members of MS-13. Watch.

But apparently they were trying to extort the papusaria business. And so his family sent him to the United States to save him from this aggression from Barrio 18, even though he had siblings and none of those apparently needed to come to the US. He was a specific target of the gang for some reason. Well maybe he was in the rival gang and those siblings weren't. That's what I think is likely to have happened. But just to go further on that, none of the supporting

evidence actually came from his family back in El Salvador. It only came from the two members of his family that were living in the United States, one of them legally. So they didn't actually provide any real evidence for those claims about them being targeted by Barrio 18. And I'm not sure why the immigration judge in this case granted the withdrawal of removal. But needless to say, he could have been removed to literally any other country at any time. Now you fast forward to 2025, and I'm sure we'll get into the details about how he ended up on that flight and how the government did make the administrative error

in this case. But I think it's important to point out that with the recent deportation, he is now not claiming that he is going to face retribution from Mario 18. He has now substantially changed the fundamentals of his claim. He now says that the problem is that he is going to face torture and potential death from the government and the prison conditions, which is not the substance of his original claim for asylum. Yeah. So Amber, with an amazing breakdown,

it's helpful by the way, that to actually read the documents to get control of all of this. And so the guy, so, you know, and I get why there's some impulse here, it's like, oh no, an innocent Maryland father was just sent to this really, uh, these tough prison conditions.

Again, just to remind you, he's from El Salvador. He's here illegally. The very least we can do is deport him to El Salvador and let the government sort it out there, which of course they did. They decided to put him in this maximum security prison and all of the available evidence points to the fact that he's MS-13. So he deserves the prison stay too. And the media is going all in, of course, on behalf of the gangster, not on behalf of Laken Reilly, not on behalf of Jocelyn Nungare, not on behalf of any of the

number of victims of all of these horrific illegal alien attacks, these gangster attacks that have been happening in the United States. No, they're fighting on behalf of the gangster. That's what they're doing. The illegal foreign national is here in our country, who's palling around with all these guys who are hurting our country and who himself may have participated in these acts. But again, he's in MS-13. It's a crystal clear. So you've got a case where, you know, now the vice president of the United States, JD

Vance, to his enormous credit He doesn't suffer any fools on this JD Vance has been all over X Smacking journalists around about this going. Have you read the court documents? Are you just gonna keep lying to everybody? You're just gonna pretend that this guy's not MS 13 You're gonna pretend like there's not evidence that the court found that he was MS 13 of course He's from El Salvador send him back to El Salvador evidence that the court found that he was MS-13? Of course, he's from El Salvador. Send him back to El Salvador. And I'm with you, everybody in the chat saying, just deport this guy. Ship them all out, says Moya55. Venti7 saying, deport them. This is what we

voted for. And Rojo83 coming in with the excellent show, Vince. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. It's always a wild show here on Vince. And boy, it's like, I honestly, I have a million things that you and I can get to. I'm going to do more of that today on the radio show. We always do this radio show nationwide, the Vince show from 12 to 3. For those of you who are on Rumble, perhaps you don't know, you probably do. We do the Rumble live show from 10 to 11 Eastern time each morning. And then I take an hour break to get a little bit of food, get get ready for the radio show.

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