The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Amin Elhassan: Why Will Ferrell Outranks Robert De Niro

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Who is the best #58 in history? Dave goes with Jack Lambert. But our guest Amin Elhassan goes with Derrick Thomas. We then get into the weeds with the word, bust. You can bust in a bad way. But if someone makes you a bust it means you've had a hall of fame career. This leads us to Las Vegas. Is it okay to vacation there with your kids? Or is it purely an adult zone? We finish it up with Amin ranking Tom Cruise and Will Ferrell's body of work over that of Robert De Niro. Yes, he went there. It's a wide ranging conversation with one of the top minds in sports. AUDIO Football America! is available wherever you listen to podcasts. Leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/football-america/id1831757512 Follow us: Dave Dameshek: https://x.com/dameshek Gino Fuentes: https://x.com/Gino_Fuentes Mike Fuentes: https://x.com/mikefountains Host: Dave Dameshek Guests: Amin Elhassan Team: Gino Fuentes, Mike Fuentes, Ethan Bedowsky Director: Danny Benitez Senior Producers: Gino Fuentes, Mike Fuentes Executive Producer: Soup Campbell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi and hello, my fellow football Americans. We've got the man from basketball Illuminati and Cynophob in the Dan Lebitard show, Our Pal, Amin Al-Hasson coming up. Meantime, I've been delinquent about my role as uniforms are, or the uniform, and call me what you want. I'm an estate, the bo-brummel of sports fashion. So let me real quick give you my belated opinion on the Tennessee Titans' new get-ups, which are really kind of sort of their old get-ups before they transition from the Oilers into the Titans and swapped out Houston for Nashville. First, I like them very much. Summning one's nomadic past is a good idea.

By themselves, then, the uniform and gives these get-ups a B-plus. But of course, nothing exists in a vacuum in the copycat league, and the NFL's now lousy with powder blue. Easy to overreact to the shiny new object there in Nashville, but I'm going to still ride with the Chargers as my favorite powder blue ensemble. But the Carolina Panthers also wear a very similar shade of blue. And the Dolvins wear aqua, and the Jags wear teal, and 15 of 32 teams now wear a jersey that some shade of blue.

Well, the Cowboys prefer their white jersey still, I think, but less and less over the last decade. And I'm worried on behalf of the players, don't you know? Back in the 80s, Bill's QB, Joe Ferguson couldn't distinguish his own teammates from AFC East defenders because four of the five teams wore white helmets, so they switched them to red. And now with more and more matchups of home and home uniforms, I'm worried the NFL's aesthetics are falling back into SEC territory. Six out of 16 SEC schools, Bama, A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Mississippi State wear maroon and white.

Did you know that? Yeah, of course you did, because if you watched them at all, it looks like a scrimmage out there. I'm keeping my eye on you too, Big Ten, with five of your teams wearing red and white. Okay, it still means more or maroons more in the SEC. What I'm getting at is, it's too much. Or as the bad kid or bad guy or whatever he was in The Incredibles put it, When everyone's super, no one is. And the same goes for powder blue.

Meantime, I'm getting hot under the collar here. It's April, not much madness left. We got the masters on the way, some baseball. All of it adds up to us all being a little bit closer to football. So let's start the show. Yes, hi and hello, my fellow football Americans. Welcome to Football America. Presented as ever by our pals at Draft Kings.

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That was a really juicy one. And the week before that, we had the king of all draft stuff, Daniel Jeremiah. So join the conversation. A good one on the way today as well. and on our way to Pittsburgh, PA for the draft. So make sure you're tuning in there. Like I mentioned, the top, it's our old pal joining us today for the show. We're going to talk about football.

We're talking about basketball. We'll talk about the game of life and we'll talk about movies. Amin El Hassan, what's the poop, fella? How you've been? The poop is regular and consistent every morning around 8 a.m. Excellent. Excellent, excellent. So, as you know, there was a buzzer-beater in the,

that led to the final four in college basketball. I want to talk to you about that. I want to talk to you about Danny Hurley. I want to talk to you about Gino Oriama and all the rest of it. Before we jump into that, though, quick question for you and for the guys. Oh, actually, before we get to that, we've got to settle our usual hash here. It's episode number 58, and so Gino Fuentes, the floor is yours. Who is the player or the players in contention for the greatest ever wear that jersey number in NFL in sports history?

We're in linebacker territory here, so we're getting to number 58 here. Jack Lambert, Derek Thomas, Vaughn Miller, Jesse Tuggle, Kim Boat camper, if you're a Dolphins fan. The only one that comes to mind for NHL is Chris LaTang, and I can't think of a baseball one off the top of my head. Anyone got a 508? The Tangor. The Tangor number 58. You know what? I'm going to start off as a nice fella here.

I'm going to give this one. I'm going to defer to a mean here. Who's the greatest number 58? Oh, Derek Thomas, right? No, no, no. Okay, he was very good, but I'm going to go with Jack Splatt. I mean, he's the face of pro football, right? Is he?

You know, I, for, out of context, if you said, show me the defining punum, face, mug of the Super Bowl era. Is there one better than Jack Lambert with the, with the, how many teeth did he have left at the end? I don't know, but I mean, right? I mean, am I overstating things? I feel like you're doing a thing here again. I'm trying to get your goat. Just a little, you took that terrible towel away for a second, right? Didn't Derek Thomas had eight sacks in a game once or something like that?

That dude was amazing. He, listen, he was spectacular, and I mentioned the NFL draft. What is it, 89 or 93, I always forget, four of the first five picks. are not just Hall of Famers. They are all-time greats. And the second pick is Tony Mandurich. So it's four busts in the Hall of Fame. And then at the other end of the spectrum, an all-time bust in Tony Mandurich, which reminds me, again, I mean, you're a word smith. Bust is our rangiest word in our language. I mean, it has so many. Think about the complete ends of the spectrum. of a if you're great as in one of the all-time greats they will make a bust of you and put it

into a hall of fame or if you're a bust you're the worst yes makes no makes no gd sense well look hey and if if you're if they make a bust of you in the hall of fame you might be privy to some other busts at which point you get busted at which point you will bust yeah well you know what And also you can bust at the craps table. And that reminds me to ask you this. It's spring break week for a lot of people, including for my kids, Jean-Claude Van Damasheck and his siblings all with a window of 48 hours. And I wanted to do something with them this week with all four kids overlapping at the same time.

And the best I could come up with was a quick road trip to Las Vegas. I mean, does that make me a good parent or a bad parent? It depends. 18, 17, 12, and 9. Yeah. Look, I'm speaking as someone who goes to Vegas very frequently for work. And I cannot think of anything more off-putting than children in Las Vegas. I can't stand it.

Oh, you're one of those. Oh, man. You're like, are you, are you, you're not somebody who complains about children on a 30,000. feet in the sky. No, no, no, no, no, just in Las Vegas. This is, like, planes, hey, we all have to get somewhere. These kids don't control it. Like, what are you going to do? There's no airline that's just for kids, right? But Vegas is a uniquely adult experience. I don't want to see people who are not of age anywhere. It kills me every time I'm walking the strip. It's 2.30 in the morning. A certain amount of... I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't

What are the kids doing out there? Any of my kids out on the trip in the 30 in the morning. Gino, that's my question. It's 2.30 at the morning. I've seen them in a stroller. They're pushing them in a stroller. And the kids up, I'm like, go to bed. That's crazy.

Go to bed. The kid doesn't want to see strippers handing out cards. How dare you assume that? I think that this is I, listen, I'm rationalizing. I'm the one doing it. But consider, if I just told you, without the, without the weight of Sin City and all of that and all, you know, the reputation. If I told you, there's a land that offers up, very affordably, by the way, offers up big swimming pool and cartoon scenes to drink in with your eyeballs and buffets, breakfast buffets, and golf and all of that.

I mean, that sounds like a good place for kids. I'd say, what are you showing up? to Scottsdale. I have a good question for you, I mean. You have to speak on behalf of all Phoenix sports fans. I shall. Maybe I'll get there.

But before we do that, Fuentes, boys, way in. Now, Amin has me feeling bad about myself. So I was once one of these Vegas kids. My dad loved in Vegas. He lived in Vegas. He lived in Vegas for a long time. So we're eight years old.

Yeah, my dad lived in Vegas after college. He left, he was at the University of Wisconsin. He left there. Went right to Vegas. He was a blackjack dealer for like four or five years. I think. Then he came back to Miami. But since my dad liked Vegas so much, he took us there on vacation one year. And they had it under the guys of, well, take the kids to see the Grand Canyon. And, you know, all this, you know, because in Miami, we have nothing. We have swamp and flats.

So it's like, well, they'll go see mountains. They'll see the desert. They'll see what it's like, the Grand Canyon, this whole thing. And, you know, it was really just an excuse for my dad and like some of the older guys, my family to go gamble and drink and do all this stuff. So one day, we weren't going to the Grand Canyon. And they were like, you're going to come. come with us. We're going to take you to this place. You're going to have fun there for eight hours and we're going to go have our time. It took us to the MGM Grans. They had like an internal, not internal, but like a water park. It's not real water park. It's like a, like a park, like a amusement park. And it had roller coasters and I had all these fun things. And I had a great time.

You know, the night time was on them. It took us to see shows. That's where I saw Sikfried and Roy. It saw Sigfried and Roy. Yeah. That's also when I found out magic was bullshit because we sat right on the end of the table at the end. And it was just my mom, my sister and Gino because my dad was going off playing craps and stuff. And we're sitting right at the end. Like, you know, because it was like stadium seating, right? So it's stadium seating all the way down. Then there's a big part in the middle where you can walk.

And they do a trick or whatever. And the guy comes by and he says, hey, tuck your legs in. Right? And everybody told us, tuck your legs and tuck your legs in. And then all of a sudden, from the corner of my eye, a guy comes running past, full speed dressing all white. And my sister goes, that's him. And then sure a shit, boom, it's Roy in the middle of the crowd.

And that's when we discover that all these magicians and magic, we're all bullshit. All right, because the guy just ran out from the side, right where he needed to be. My thing would be like, through the eyes of the kid that you're taking, they're enjoying it. They're loving it because there's, like you said, there's a bunch of stuff to do. There's pools, there's buffets, there's parks, there's water and all this stuff. Now, you're thinking about it through the eyes of an adult. A debauchess, you know, the kids are in a kivis because I'm, my mind is in a filthy place when I'm out here.

And I don't want these kids crossing my life. It takes me out of it. I don't think they're picking up any hookers at the bar. I mean, I don't think that's even going to be. Neither am I. Yeah, just for the record. Neither am I. I just, I just want to walk and talk freely.

And I'm a child here. But when you're a kid to Vegas, very stimulating place. Not so much for your old. That's exactly what my thought process is. It is a cartoon. Correct. The scale of it is going to blow them away. And I also think that it might break them, sort of like the parents.

who like, oh, you're smoking a cigar, now go sit in the closet and smoke the entire boxes of cigars and break that. I feel like them seeing it at this impressionable age maybe will make them ultimately sort of like, yeah, I don't need to see it as a grown-up. Also, well, we've got two case studies right here. But when you're, what, nine years old, you see the Eiffel Tower, the Sphinx, and a pyramid all of them like the same four blocks, all right? You don't know the difference?

Yeah, it's a good time. And the Statue of Liberty? It's right there, too. I feel like a kid walks in and sees all that stuff and all these adults excited and says, I can't wait for my turn to come up here. And you're fooled. And hear all those noises and see people go, yeah, and everyone's celebrating. You're introducing them.

This is a gateway that you're doing, Dave Damashek. Okay, maybe that is what I'm doing. And then I will, you know, 10 years, 20 years from now, look back and say, you know, 20-20 hindsight, I'm a terrible parent. But in the meantime, off we go soon enough. Let's kibb it's about sports right now. And I mentioned Gino or Ema and Danny Hurley. I mean, I get that everybody loves to hate Duke. But this, to me, felt very much Alien versus Predator.

Whoever wins, we lose because Danny Hurley is in the winner circle now, once again. and he's pretty loathsome. And I think that, again, maybe veering into hyperbole, I think Danny Hurley has worked his way, yes, to one of the great coaches that we've seen, but also one of the more hateable figures in my sports lifetime. How say you, I mean?

Yeah, and I wonder if someone, you know, if old Bobby Sr., Bob Hurley saw it and said, well, it gives you the right tag like that. Danny says, I learned it from watching you, Dad. I learned it from watching you. Because if you don't know Bob Hurley, the father of Bobby Hurley and Danny Hurley, is a legendary high school coach in New Jersey, who was a prick in no uncertain terms. And by the way, I think that's something that Bob Hurley would be like, yeah.

And Danny Hurley would also say, yeah, about himself because it's part of the persona. It's to be aggrandizing and. kind of rough around the edges and a bad, bad, ill-mannered, I should say, ill-mannered kind of person. But the interesting thing, Dave, is when you think about... Well, what's interesting to interrupt that point, the thing that I've said a number of times, at least where it applies to football, and I'm not sure if it carries over to basketball. But the idea of the rah-rah, newt-rockney kind of guy and then turning into this type A, you know, Hardo guy, that Bill Parcell's figure, you know, basically a pigskin version of Bob Knight, that worked in the 20th century, but there's not much evidence of being that cat and it working this century.

How saying? Well, I mean, like what I was going to say is, first of all, that those two things run hand in hand. Like the idea, the idea, I'm not co-signing it, but the idea that, hey, part of my success is because of the way I approach it, is my attitude. towards this and that's why I'm successful right that we see the most famous example this obviously is Michael Jordan that people think oh Michael Jordan was an asshole

but it's like that's why he was successful as if without being an asshole you could have never been that successful we talk about coaches particularly modern day coaches I think it's true you see it more often in college usually going to be older guys so Tom Izzo

is a hard O to use your term he's still around I think Calipari, even though he comes off as very slick and polished to the outside world. Internally, he's someone who's very demanding of his players. In the NBA, not so much because, I mean, it's kind of evolved that way when you have guys that are making multitudes more money than you are, not only because that's how much they're paid, but also that's how much more important they are. You really cannot coach in that way. The closest thing we probably have right now is JJ Redick on the NBA level.

I was going to say that. Yeah. And that's ironic. Yeah. It's more, yeah, it's more a lot of, you know, a lot of snarky commentary rather than, you know, what you think of with Danny Hurley, which is outright screaming in people's faces. As far as that goes, this then works neatly with my next question for you as I cobble together this list of the most loathsome figures that we've experienced as sports fans. Let's

try to do it over the last 30 or 40 years. Here's my list. Danny Hurley is now on it. Bob Knight, I went to Indiana University. I wrote him a letter in my senior year and asked if I could come by and interview him. And I remember saying that I'd like to show you, Coach Knight, that, you know, you hate the media. I want to show you that our school is producing a better generation. of journalists upcoming here. And lo and behold, I sent the letter as a lark. And that week later, I called up. And I got the assistant who then became famous or infamous later on

for having a plant thrown at her head by the aforementioned Bob Knight in the office. I called her. And she said, yeah, Coach Knight will see you on the floor next Wednesday at blank time. And I was like, what? She said, yeah, Coach Knight will meet you there. He'll finish up practice. and then you guys can have your conversation. And so then I was racked with nerves for the next several days.

And then I went over there. And I brought a camera with me, obviously, to capture it on video. I had a shooter with me. And we went out there. And this is in the age of Calvert Cheney and Greg Graham and Alan Henderson and all of those guys. A would-be legendary team that came up just short in the final four against Duke. but they're all around. They're shooting their free throws to wrap up practice.

And right in the middle of the floor comes Bob Knight, six foot four, six foot five as he approached me with that gate that you know that he had there like John Wayne, almost like John Wayne as he came over to me. He was half man, half eagle. And he said, what's with this camera? You didn't mention anything about a camera. And I was like, well, I want to capture it on video, obviously. This will, you know, help me get a job.

in the future so he was already put off by the interview i asked him a question i asked him another question and then he said let me stop you here if you can get your shit together by damari you can come back and try it again and uh was your shit not together yeah what was the question like that you didn't have your shit together were you hemming and hawn the question hello excuse me how coach i asked him no i was not hemming and heying more than i usually do did you go up and say what's the poop fella. Maybe. Maybe I did. So what? That would throw me off. Well, I did joke on the way over there. Wouldn't it be funny if Bob Knight got into us like he does the average journalist? And then all of a sudden he was doing it. It wasn't so funny anymore. I said something to him along. They had lost it. They'd

gotten whipped by Kansas the year before. And so I said, is there any sense of revenge among the guys? and that was, you know, that was out of bounds for him for some reason. I don't know why. Did you ask him if it was a must-win game? I did. So I said, all right, well, and then he turned to walk away and he got five, ten feet away. And then he turned back around and he said, you know what, I'm going to need that tape. And so the guy took it out.

It was one of those high-eight tapes, like the size of a little old cassette kind of thing. And he took it all. and then we're standing there like, oh my God, like in, you know, cold sweat. Like, oh, my God, I can't believe that just happened. Bob Knight just swore in us. And then the shooter was like, I have other stuff on that tape. I need that tape back come to think of it. We can't just let him have it.

And so then we go, knock on the locker room door. This is after he walked out? Yes, a trainer, a trainer pokes his head out. He's like, I don't know, guys. I don't know where that tape is at this point. I mean, it was 90 seconds later. I don't know where that tape is at this point. Then the trainer walked back out after a few minutes and said,

sorry, boys, that tape's gone and just kept on walking, like kind of chuckling to himself. And then I really had to look inside myself. I had to have a long conversation with the man in the mirror. Coach Knight was challenging me to up my game. Do I show up the next day? There were some moments where I thought, no, I'm going to teach him a lesson and ghost him. But sure enough, I did go back the next day after a few softball. with the same shooter and asked him a couple softball questions.

At the end, he said, now that's how you do an interview. And he said, and I got you something. And he produced the tape from the day before. And it was all taped and glued together. And when we put it into the machine, it didn't work anymore. But the effort was made. That was my experience with Bob Knight. Bottom line is he's an asshole bully.

So he's on the list. Where do Tom Brady and Bill Belichick rank? Are they hated more than their love? I've I've turned around on this. When they were Patriots, I hated them. Anytime they talked to the mic, anytime you asked them a question, and I despised their answer,

because they wouldn't say shit. But then Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay, and him and Gromk were fucking pleasant. And Bill Belichick now has this, this 20-something-year-old girlfriend, and he's funny to me now. He's somehow, in spite of having the 20-something-year-old girlfriend,

and he's in Chapel Hill, which by all, I've never been, but by all accounts is Picture X and every picture. Somehow he's a pitiable figure now. I don't know. I don't buy them anymore. I still dislike Belichick. But the other side of that is, I mean, is Brett Farv, who I think everybody kind of liked when he was a player,

except for the tail end of things. I thought it got ridiculous. And I don't understand how Packers or Vikings fans ever found their way into rooting for that guy. He torment, if you're a Vikings fan, He tormented you for a decade and a half. Who cares if he's the missing piece? It ain't worth giving up your dignity.

It was pretty good, though. I know. There's no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Dave. Think about this. Is it, oh, this guy tormented me or is it, hey, Packers, I got your quarterback. Right? Is that more the feeling that you have, right? Like, oh, this thing that you guys are going to put in the Hall of Fame and guess what? He's our quarterback now. And if he had been successful, gotten to the Super Bowl and won and two,

one or two both of them. It's the ultimate. It's like, yeah, we stole your quarterback and you guys pushed him out of the door and said he wasn't good enough. Guess what? Good enough to get me one. I guess that makes some sense. Now, the answer is largely, is that what you would do if you're a Vikings fan? Yes, which is why I can't imagine why the Packers so quickly turned around and embraced them a couple years after he retired. It'd be like, no, man, wasn't good enough for you to play in Lambo, the greatest joint you could play in in pro football. You had to run off. You could have gotten to a lot of places. You didn't have to go to a division foe, but you did. And if you're the Vikings and you win a Lombardi and your Lombardi count is the same as it was for the Packers. And I guess you do

have the edge. Either way, it's gross. But also, Farr has become sort of the opposite of John Madden, which was he was hated when he was the Raiders coach. I've made this point before and people find it hard to believe. But when he was the Raiders coach, he was just downright loathsome. And then everybody loved him a decade later. Brett Farrer. I think people like a lot less because of the volleyball stuff, right? Well, because of volleyball stuff with those dick picks. A dick picks. I mean, like he has a long kind of rap sheet of things that happened.

I didn't know where you were going with the dick picks. He has a long. Oh, no, no. He doesn't have one of those. But he's got a long rap sheet of kind of detestable episodes that started, again, before he retired and not necessarily because he went to go play for the rival Vikings or anything of that. nature, which is also interesting

because if you think of the start of his career, also kind of a shit show. So he's a rare shit set, reverse shit sandwich. You got shit in the beginning and shit in the end, but the middle was like the fun lovable parts. So does he make our list here? I think he does.

Like that, that, this, everything that's happened since basically the Jets and on has made him into a negative personality in the, in the psyche of people. The MLB, umpires are now they people are now uh are now feeling sad for them because they're just exposed but of course but like it's not unlike brett farv but yeah well different than

brett brad barb exposed himself but but i think referees have as a just as a collective they have to be on the short list of most hateable right yeah yeah yeah and it's like there's one in every sport that everyone knows by name angel hernandez in baseball Scott Foster in the NBA, right? Like there's, I wonder if hockey fans? None of them are likable. I mean, who's the likable one? Oh, Billy Kennedy.

Ed Hockey League because he got ripped. Ed Hockley because of the guns. Billy Kennedy, because he does his reviews with a fun reading voice. He also has like this game show look to him. Like he hosts like a 70s, 80s game show with his mustache. Yeah, I feel I like him. Now, Dave, you are a massive hockey fan. Do hockey fans hate a game?

Hockey referees, I don't feel like I hear that a lot about how the referees blew this one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a lot of ways more so. I remember being in the igloo in Pittsburgh with my old man. And depending on who the referee was skating out that night, he would announce like, well, we're screwed. It's Terry Frazier tonight. My old man lived a paranoid existence when it came to sports. He thought that broadcasters had it in for the Steelers, referees had it in for the, and the industry bent to our rivals. Like, they were the lead, he was one of those guys. They want.

I don't think they're against our teams. I don't think anybody's just, although there are a lot of Penguins fans who are accusing NHL officials of being against the Penguins right now. Also, Barry Bonds is on the list, right? I think we all agree. combination of the PEDUs and also he was a magnificent asshole. Tom Wilson, speaking of NHL guys, goon, cheap shot artist, all of that, he should be on this list. And then you mentioned JJ Reddick, and I think that's an interesting one.

I think Christian Leitner is the face of loathsome Duke players, but it's crazy how they have pretty consistently had at least one of those guys who you really, really, really hate. some white guy with just his sitting face his smart ass I don't know why but it just conveys that to the world every time the camera cuts to him. Let me ask you a question. I asked this a Dan Levittart earlier this week and

he had a very unsatisfying answer for me which is my Duke University awareness starts with Christian Leitner and those teams with Grant Hill and Bobby Hurley etc. And Christian

Laitner was the face of I hate these guys. Was Duke hated like that pre-Christian Laitner? And if so, who was that face for them? No, Bobby Hurley also was a 1A. He was also unlikable, in my opinion. But, and Coach K sort of in between became more unlikable. I feel like as things wore on. No, in fact, to answer your question, as somebody older than you, those Duke, the first

real good Duke team that actually play. in the title game and lost to Never Nervous Purvis Ellison and Louisville. That was an imminently likable team, Johnny Dawkins and Billis and Mark Allery. And yeah, that group was Ferry on that team? Danny Ferry joined. He was the freshman when all those guys got, you know, when they were upperclassmen. Yeah, he kind of bridged the gap into the Latner. I think Leitner and Ferry.

I wonder if they overlapped. I bet they did by a season or two. That brings me to another good question. I mean, we have so much to get to, and we're already way into the show here, 20 years from now. If you want to throw out anybody, Fuentes, boys, too. Any other loathsome people I left off the list here?

I'm sure we could do 17 shows on. Didn't you have Jose Conceco? Yeah, I said Jose Cansecoeco is one that, Pretty much got... I feel like people like Canteco. He was... No, I don't know.

I know he was an asshole and I know he wasn't liked by a lot of teammates. I think like he had maybe with a stigma of like he's a bad boy so people like that. Like, even though he was on the same team with Mark McGuire,

Mark McGuire was pretty much loved until the steroid thing came out. Raphael Palmero kind of became really disliked after he lied straight up and got caught. He did? I feel like everybody feel sad for him. No, no.

Because he's the guy though. It's like, wow, all these guys are liars. Because he was so blatantly caught. I mean, he did the, yeah, he did the, I've never, like that Congress, I've never taken steroids. And then like two days later, he took steroids, you know, it was, it was tough for him. But I mean, I think you went kind of light on Belichick. Kurt Schilling. That's a, ooh, Kurt Schilling, yeah, for political reasons. That's a good one. Yeah, that's right. That's post-career stuff. Yeah.

But imagine if you're Belichick, it's a human being. I hope that the majority of us can agree that Aaron Hernandez is a worse human being than Bill Belichick. But I think your foot, I think your sports heart would tell you that you dislike Belichick more than you like Aaron Hernandez, right? I have one for Amin. I want to get his take on this. Post career, Michael Jordan's taking a beating. Oh, that's only because he was so high. Yeah.

He can only come down. He can only come down. But he still occupies a very rare error. no pun intended. Like he's still a deity. He's just a little bit more tarnished than he was when he was playing. Yeah, because I know like... Oh, you just said, but that reminds me, Mike, Bill Lambere.

You cannot have a list like this without putting him on there, right? I think that's mostly for players, right? Like, I don't think a lot of... I guess if you were like a Bulls fan back then or something like that, you felt it. People hated Lambert. Now, I don't know, like, where his curating is, but in his time, people hated Lambier, people hated Mahorn people hated and probably still do

Isaiah Thomas that whole Pistons team except for Joe Dumars Joe Dumars was the one he escaped it Kenny Smith tells this funny story about being a rookie and playing against those bad boy pistons

and he said they went on a little run or whatever his team did and so they call timeout and they're walking to the bench walking to the bench and they're crossing their bench is over here piston's benches over there and as they cross Joe Dumars

clips them on purpose hard and Kenny's like I'm doubled over, I'm out of breath, and all I could muster was like, but I thought Joe was one of the good ones. It was like the betrayal of Joe Dumar is doing something dirty was way worse than the actual getting your wind knocked out. By the way, I'm starting this conversation, like I think I did say over the last 30 or 40 years. Because if you get to the mid-20th century and before, a bunch of racists, a Thai cob and all those guys. So I guess they're much worse. The question I was going to ask for you is, and Christian,

Leightner leads into the shot that vanquished Duke the other day and revenge best served cold because Christian Leitner way back when knocked Yukon out of the tournament before he made the famous shot against Kentucky. He also put them out, put Yukon out in the Meadowlands. You know, Prisoner of the Moment stuff and everybody's so cynical and everybody has to pull colds and like it was a doubted press of a shot. First of all, one thing I will say is that the Yukon kid who had just made a three point or 30 seconds before in that game to make it a game and make it plausible that the Huskies might in fact pull this thing off, he makes that shot. How many human beings in that spot, given the evidence of like, I just drilled that three,

don't shoot it when the ball comes back into your hands with three seconds to go. Instead, you pass it off to somebody else. That was a wild move and underrated. The kid stroking it from, you know, 28, it was impressive too. But giving the ball up in that spot, right? I mean? I got an argument with Dan Levitart earlier this week about this. I told him like, hey. Oh, you did?

Yeah, Yukon. It's a shocker, right? He never does that. I said, Yukon, this is part of this is the experience. That's a roster of mostly sophomores, juniors and seniors, versus Duke, which had, I think, only 20% of its minutes played from a season ago returning to this roster. Some of these guys had been around for the championship

and certainly for the final fours. So when you put that into perspective, that's a veteran move. Even though the kid who hit it was a freshman, the guy who made the pass was an upperclassman and he made the smart, heady play. Because at the end of the day, Dave, what we're watching on TV during March Madness

is mostly a bunch of children playing high-stakes basketball for the first time in their life. A lot of guys... I've always blown away and the one-off of it. Like, you screw this moment up. There is no tomorrow. You don't get game two or four to redeem yourself. Carlos Boozer's son, Caden Boozer,

the one who won't be like a top-five pick in the draft, had a really bad turnover that led to that made three. And the guys on the show were talking about, oh, well, he's never seen a full-court press before. I said, no, he's just never done it in front of 20. 20,000 people going crazy knowing that this is for a trip to the final four. Sorry, Columbus High School probably didn't provide that kind of pressure-staked environment for him. And so this is all kind of melting into all that.

By the way, Christian Leitner and Duke and them boys back in 92, guess what? Those guys were all upperclassmen playing against who? Michigan, Fab Five? Wow. Wow. The Indiana Hoosiers got all-time job. that game and I'm not, I'm my, I'm my father's son and I don't know why, but the Hoosiers all filed out of that game, never filed out all season long, but Calbert Cheney and Greg Graham and

all their stars filed out against Duke. That sucked. Laytoner makes his shot. That is, I think, in the top three. It's, it's greatest postseason game enders that I've ever seen. I want to make that list real quick with you now. And by the way, Jordan against Georgetown doesn't count because there's 15 seconds left. And Dwight Clark against the Cowboys making the catch doesn't count because there were 58 seconds left in that game. And the lateral play Cal over Stanford doesn't count because that was a regular season game. So go from there. Okay.

So we've got just in no particular order, Michael Jordan, the shot over Elo. You've got Michael Jordan the shot over Byron Russell in Game 6 in 98. You've got Frank Whitechek, Music City Miracle. Oh, yeah. You've got the kid whose name escapes me from Villanova to win the national title against North Carolina. Against UNC. Yep. Yeah.

I can't think of the kid's name either. That was 2018. What an embarrassment for me. Is it Jenkins? I'm on it. I want to see it's Chris Jenkins, but that might have been another player from another sport. So I don't know. Basketball, because of its nature, has more of these.

Well, hockey should have more. I'll give you one that I won. Because of overtime goals. I was in the attendance for this one, game one of the World Series, Freddie Freeman, bases loaded. Ooh. I was there. I was just head to toe in my Yankee gear.

And I had, I actually have the video where I start recording my, here we go, one more out. Because it's bases loaded, two outs. It's like one more out, and we just stole game one in L.A. and I heard the crack of the bat and I swear to God I could show you the video I didn't even follow the ball I just my phone just goes down

because I knew from the sound of the crack of the bat that shit is out of here it's up the 101 it's going up to Studio City somewhere Chris Jenkins I think Chris Jenkins Chris Jenkins

Chris with the K I was going to say I knew that part I did know that part the yeah I mean among postseason home runs that's probably

top five, Luis Gonzalez beating the Yanks in 2001, yeah. Significant and weird looking play. It was almost like a godfather assassination. There's always something odd ball about somebody getting killed in the

godfather. There's some weird element to every death. The Luis Gonzalez hit, the infield's drawn in, and it was just like a knuckle ball out of the shortstop. Off of, and the context, it's Mariana Rivera. of the greatest closer of all time that he gets a hit off of.

But I kind of feel like a baseball, if it's a base hit, doesn't have same juice. It's not Joe Carter. Joe Carter, 1993 for the Blue Jays. I remember that as a kid out of the park. And Bill Maserowski won the series. He beat the Yankees. He beat them in extras.

I mean, he beat him in extras. That's the greatest home run in postseason history. Low Charles of NC State knocking off. mighty five slamma jamma. Cut a airball. Derek Wittenberg, a sharpshooter when there was no three-pointers. So it was crazy that he was taking 22 footers and they only counted the same as whatever he scored from right underneath the basket. But he was a sharpshooter.

But he came out and threw an air ball. And Lo Charles picked it, caught it, put it into the rim without his feet touching the ground. And that was a weird one too, Valvano running around the floor. I think that has to. Also, Jimmy Chitwood Against South Bend Absolutely not No Jimmy Chitwood

No fictional characters Now I'm here like on a dog with a bone With this Villanova box score from that game And the big- The whole team is NBA players Well no but not even that But like the big NBA guys Pedestrian Jalen Brunson

22 minutes he had four points Josh Hart he had 12 Okay that's pretty good The lead score for the game Phil Booth No idea who that is Yeah Let me go let me go

more black and gold for you. Wave my terrible towel. Yeah, Vinotary winning it right before, I mean, at the gun. But hold on. Beating the Rams. It was.

I don't like kickers either, but that, I mean, they won the Super Bowl at the gun. Sure. Sure. And I'm not trying to take away the clutchness of the,

but it's not like he hit a 60-yarder. It was 45, though, right? It wasn't, it wasn't a chip shot either. Sure. I, you know, what I think is ironic is, at my whole life, I would look at the Super Bowl.

I love Super Bowls and think, man, one day I'd love to see one of these things go to overtime. And I thought that Rams Patriots game was headed for overtime. And I was there and I was, oh, this is going to be great. The two overtimes we've gotten pretty overwhelming. I don't think either one of those, I mean, the moment, because it wins the Super Bowl, you have to list them. But I don't think they were great moments. The greatest last second score in sports history.

is the immaculate reception, right? Well, look, I think a lot of that is folklore, though, right? Is it, is it, was it a great play or is it because we don't have any clear video evidence of whether the ball hit the floor or not? Don't, let's not play that game. That's what makes it. That's what grows in mythology. If it was a clear catch, we'd be all right.

Well, speaking of mythology, that's what will determine whether or not that this buzzer-beater by Yukon resonates. in a quarter century is does Yukon go on to do anything? Those Steelers didn't win the Super Bowl. They lost the next week to the Dolphins, but it's perceived at least to be the starting

point of the greatest dynasty of the 20th century in football. So I think that's why all these years later people look back at it. I don't think it would be the Miracle City Music, whatever it's called, Music City Miracle was great, but they didn't win the Super Bowl as a result. If they did, I think it would

stand out a little bit more. What about Bryce Drew Valparaiso? What about Kwai Leonard against the Sixers in Game 7? Like these are, well, I guess they went on the winner title. But Bryce Drew Valparaiso, like that's one of the most famous shots in NCAA history. And like Valparaiso, they went to Sweet 16. I think that was all they did. Bryce Drew's still coaching, by the way.

Shout out to Grand Canyon University. He mentioned his New York sports fan affection because he, He mentioned the Freddie Freeman home run. So I think he's earned this one. I'm going to start with you, I mean. I think you present as very New Yorkie, but also you work for the Phoenix Suns. So I'm going to double dip here with you. We've been doing this.

We did it with Pablo last week. We did his if he can have because, you know, in the age of free agency and expensive jerseys and all that to get them customized and whatever, you know, you don't want to screw this up. Because if you get the wrong one, that guy could be traded. or signed somewhere else in six months, and now you've got to start from scratch. Here we go, I mean. The three New York sports jerseys,

you would most want to have the best ones own and the three worst to own as a New York sports fan. Okay, so best to own is going to be a lot easier. And it's even easier because I already own two of these three. Let me get. I was just going to say two. I knew it was a Yankees, too. Yep.

Derek Jeter. And the Yankees, two, pinstripes, no name on it because we're adults over here. We're not a little kid. Clyde Fraser 10. Um, no. First of all, I'd like to point out, it's Jeter pinstripes. Don't like the away jerseys. Too bland.

I kind of like those. I think they're strong. They're like, we don't, we have more important things to worry about than how we look for whatever city we're in. We're not in New York City, so it doesn't make a difference. This city is, is irrelevant. because it is not NYC. We're just going to tell you who we are.

New York. I appreciate that explanation. Still, not a jersey I'd like to own. Number two, a home white, Patrick Ewing, 33. I own a road, Patrick Ewing 33. The home white, though, a lot cleaner, especially those from the mid-90s,

like just that clean white and the orange lettering with the blue outline on it. I love that one because I'm intrigued by it because I legitimately don't know if you're a New York Knickerbockers lover from way back. How do you feel about the Patrick Ewing era? I mean, it feels like you'd be more vexed ultimately than overjoyed. Quite the opposite. It's complete revisionist history in New York.

At the time, this man was one of the three best centers in the league. They were booing him for, oh, I don't know, taking a team of CBN. castoffs to multiple conference finals and NBA finals and stuff like that. And now that he's been gone and obviously the 25 years of being bad in between really helps. Everyone loves Patrick. Oh, he's one of my favorite players, whatever. But I remember how people hated on Patrick Ewing.

And then number three, now I don't know if this, the jersey design is as to credit so much as what it represents. a blue giant's number 56. Nice. That's a good thing. That one, you know what that means when you see it walk in. Down the middle, but that's a great choice. All right. I respect all three of those.

By the way, I'm speaking as someone who owns a Knicks, Chris Child's jersey. So, like, I could have been like a real hipster with this, but no, I went with, you know, these are the ones where you're always going to be, You know, if the criteria is I never have to worry when I wear one of these, I think those are the ones that get it done. All right. You want the worst? Do the bad ones now.

Okay. A-Rod Yankees jersey. I own that as well. As soon as the transaction was complete, I remember I went to MLB.com and I bought A-Rod number 13 because they said you can't wear three because they're not going to unretire Babe Ruth. So 13 for A-Rod. ride and I was like this is we're going to win like every world series forever. I didn't know at the time.

Number two. Yeah, I think you give that one up. Number two, also a jersey I own. And you're going to really love this. It was an Antonio McDyce, Nick's jersey that I then had custom remade to be in Eddie Curry, Nick's jersey. That's the winner. The double whammy.

You went Eddie Curry to save it. Eddie Curry, because I was like, oh, McDyson, he never played. He'll be the savior. Loans save. That didn't work out. Yeah. Yeah. And then number three would have to be, oh, Charles Smith, Nick's Jersey. You are Charles Smith, Nick's Jersey.

You are pariah instantly. Why? Because he couldn't finish it. rim 17 times? Just dunk it one time. Just dunk it once. Listen, that's where we connect. That's where our cars are parked in the same garage.

Charles Smith, before he was a Knickerbocker, was a Pitt Panthers. Yes, he was. Probably still stands as the greatest pit panther basketball player. Chevy Troutman would like a word. Oh, come on with Chevy Troutman. Yes. I loved those pit teams with. me Gore and Jerome Lane and Sean Miller. Oh my God, I love those teams. They got Barry Gohen.

Talk about a buzzer beater. They got beat by Vandy in the 88 round of 32. They could have won the whole thing that year. All right, now I'm getting upset. I don't want to do that. All right. Mike Fuentes, since you seem scutchey, what do you want to do next year? Do you want to do, you want to do a means Phoenix-based jerseys, or do you want to do some movies? talk here? Do you want to hear his thoughts on Gino or Ema? Because I really want to ask the... The Phoenix based jerseys are just the Suns. No, that's not true. Who else is there?

No. What are you talking about it? You're Arizona Coyotes man? You never told me? Shane Don but he wasn't on my list. Yeah. Okay. Okay, give us those real quick. Okay. All right. So, number one, the all, the white home version of the Charles Barkley

Phoenix Suns, Sunbursts jersey. Dare I say, the most beautiful jersey in the history of NBA basketball. That, like, it is perfect. Way too much. Way too much. Number two, the alternate orange P.HX.

Steve Nash jersey. This is the year after he won MVP, and that one was... Not a fan aesthetically of that look and not sure that Steve Nash deserved those MVP. Well, don't you... Hey, hey, blah, blah, blah.

I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm not going to do it. Number three, Cardinals red, Larry Fitzgerald classic classic Another pick guy right

Do you forget about the Cardinals? He's a pick guy Yeah no Of course he was a pick guy Yeah I just didn't really enter into my thing when it comes to me Because he's such a big basketball guy I didn't really think about the Cardinals

You guys want to hear my The worst Definitely want to hear this All right number one Saw this in life in real person A Cardinals Neil Rackers jersey Do you guys remember Neil Rackers? If you guys don't remember

I want you to guess. Of course I remember Neil Rackers. No, Neil Rackers. What position? Yeah. He is a punner. Fair.

Kicker. Oh, a punner, kicker. Yeah. It's whatever Google showed me right away. Dave, I saw someone where Neil, not someone.

I saw multiple some people wear Neil Rackers jerseys at Cardinals games. And I was just like, where does your life take you? The state of your franchise is pretty grim if you're going out to get the kickers. Like, how many Raiders people at the height of Ray guys

powers were choosing his jersey. There's got to be some kind of inside joke there. There's got to be some kind of inside joke going on with that. I mean, until recently, you would have saw a bunch of Tucker jerseys and a bunch of Costowski jerseys. Costowski, I feel like you'd, you know, like, because, you know, there's always that one guy who's like, well, I don't want to get a Brady jersey or a gronk jersey. Those are everywhere, so I'm going to get the kickers.

I guess Vinetary is. Yeah, Benetary. Benetary, yeah. Neil Rackers. Neil Rackers. Neil Rackers is not one of those guys. Oh, man. Especially not when he plays.

Neil, by the way, Neal, by the way, achieves the rare feat of being a bad name for both a baby and a grown-up man. Neil. Neal. Go ahead. Go ahead there. All right. A son's Casey Jacobson, Jersey.

Casey Jacobson, ladies and gentlemen, Stanford. I remember. Amin El Hassan. We've gone on and on. And I feel like we've barely skimmed the surface here. I was going to talk with movies with you. I'm going to ask you very quickly. Mike Fuentes is going to be upset.

You just have to answer this. Just no, no commentary around it. Just yes or no? Let's do one of our, well, just rank these. Okay. Tom Cruise versus Harrison Ford versus Robert De Niro versus Will Ferrell. First place, you can watch his movies any time you want for the rest of your life. Second place, once every two years.

Third place, once every decade. Fourth place, never again. Damn. First place, this is going to be easy for me. It's Harrison Ford. Okay, goodbye, Godfather, but I hear you. No, look, amen. Godfather, too.

Indiana Jones trilogy. Goodfellas. And Star Wars. Who made it a salad? There it is. Number two, this is where it gets murky. So now I've got Tom Cruise. I got Robert De Niro, and I've got Will Ferrell, right?

So I'm going to go, this is, again, a consistency versus peak conversation here, folks. Robert De Niro, some of the greatest films ever made. Maybe more great movies than any actor in history. Raging Bull. Taxi driver. Goodfellas. Godfather, too.

Right? But a shit ton of horrible movies. I never want to see you. Nothing this century. Right. Meanwhile, Tom Cruise. Like a metronome. May not be the greatest movie I've ever seen,

but they're pretty entertaining. You've got Edge of Tomorrow. You've got collateral. You've got the Mission Impossible series minus Mission Impossible 2. You've got a... Rain Man. Rayman.

Right. I mean, go way back. Born on the Fourth of July. Days of Thunder. Jerry Maguire. Jerry Maguire. Tropic Thunder. Tropic Thunder.

I'm going Tom Cruise easily at the number two spot. Our greatest star, right? our greatest movies ever. He saved movies. He saved... Better than Clark Gable. Better than Redford. He saved the industry. He literally saved, single-handedly

saved an entire industry that was going to crater, right? Movie going. So now I'm down to Robert De Niro, the aforementioned incredible resume of Robert De Niro. You might never see Goodfellas again if you make the wrong choice here or the right

choice for you. And Will Farrell, who has... as under his belt, also a plethora of hilarious movies, some of the funniest movies ever, and then also a bunch of movies that I could do without. And at this point, we always go to the tiebreaker, Dave Damashik, which is, do I know someone who's materially impacted by this? And it's Adam McKay.

So I'm going to go Will Ferrell. Sorry Robert De Niro. Sorry, good fellas. Sorry taxi drivers. Sorry. Sorry every gangster movie ever. Well, you know, I still got Carlito's way. I hear where you're coming from on this list there.

I like the element that you've added, which is like if you had to drop all the actors' movies into a hat and just blind draw one out, that would help you make a decision. You would probably go Harrison Ford or Tom Cruise because you could get some real stinkers in there if you go De Niro. You might go find yourself watching Rocky and Bullwinkle if you ain't careful with yourself.

Hey, Pipe of Pairable. Yeah, that's all right. That is all right. What was her movie? Coyote Ugly. Coyote Ugly. Yep, that was the Piper Pyribu. She's a star.

She's going to make it. Cinephobe is where you find more movie talk from them. That's right. Basketball talk. Basketball Illuminati. And he's burning on everything arguing with Dan Lebitard and the rest of the crew on the Dan Lebitard show whenever they're lucky enough to have him down there in Miami. It's the great.

great, Amin El Hassan, let's keep doing it, fella. Absolutely, and a good day of poop to you, sir. Is that how he says it? And poop. How's your poop? And poop to you. Something like that. Something like that. All right, there goes Amin. Here we go to, thank you to the Fuentes boys and Sue Campbell for carving out some time this spring break week for us so I can go off to Vegas with my kids and be a good parent or a bad one. We won't know. That hash won't settle itself for at least

20 years. But in the meantime, like I say, on our way to the draft in a few weeks, in the meantime, we'll keep buzzing for you. We'll get back on track with NFL draft stuff as that gets closer and closer. And for the Fuentes boys and for Sue Campbell, thanks so much, my fellow football Americans. It's been a thin slice of heaven.