The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - #BecauseMiami: Dr. Mufson or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Less Fluoride

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Miami-Dade County has voted to remove fluoride from its water system. Joining Billy Corben on the show is Dr. Richard Mufson, who will explain why this is a terrible idea. Plus, Billy reveals why a fo...untain in downtown Miami is a public safety hazard...and it all goes back to his arch nemesis....Miami commissioner Joe Carollo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:08 Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face? If you take more than what it's supposed to be brushing your teeth with, then you have to call 911. It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge then you have to call 911. It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? Foreign substances introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual.
Starting point is 00:02:30 I was injured in 2017 from the tetanus vaccine and I'm half-numb from the waist down. Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water? And I just have to mention, a 5G tower pops up involuntarily radiating them 24 hours a day. And the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily
Starting point is 00:02:50 fluids. It is our right to not be intoxicated by our government. That's the way a hardcore commie works. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All against? No.
Starting point is 00:03:04 No. So, two nays, item passes. That was a Miami-Dade County Commission meeting appropriately on April Fool's Day, Roy. Yeah, that makes sense. Correct. And we intercut the actual public comment that happened that day along with Florida Surgeon General and Quack Ladopo in the house. And we intercut that with clips from the 1964 Stanley Kubrick classic, Dr. Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, in which a United States Air Force Brigadier General, named Jack D. Ripper, loses his mind over a communist conspiracy theory to poison Americans
Starting point is 00:03:55 by putting fluoride in our water. This was a real bullshit John Birch Society conspiracy theory in the late 50s 1960s and he orders his attack wing to drop nuclear bombs on Russia thus ending the earth. He destroys the earth in nuclear war over a nonsensical conspiracy theory about fluoride in our water. This was a dark political satire in 1964 and now we are living it in real life and the Miami of today is the America of tomorrow and Miami-Dade County one of the largest counties in the entire country just ended what I understand is scientifically recognized as one of the most successful public health
Starting point is 00:04:47 initiatives in the history of the world. Not great. Not far from ideal, but don't take my word for it. We go to the scientists, we go to the experts. We are joined now by Dr. Richard Mufson, a board certified oral surgeon with over 30 years of experience treating patients in South Florida, graduate of Temple University of Dentistry in Philly, and did his post-grad work at Georgetown University Medical Center in Washington, D.C. He's joining us live from the drilling room, it looks like, in Aventura, Florida. North Miami Beach, where are you, Doctor? How are you doing? I'm in Aventura. Greetings and thank you for having me on.
Starting point is 00:05:32 I appreciate the good work that you've been doing over the years. So nice to be with you. Thank you. It's rare to hear somebody say that. Normally I hear, I know, I was listening. Yeah, I don't even say that. I hear. No, I was listening. Yeah, I don't even say that. So, doctor, am I, perhaps I'm wrong-headed about this.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Let's start at the beginning here. Why did we put this poison into our water supply in the first place? Well, historically it was realized that early 1900s, 1901, it was discovered that a certain city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, people had brown ugly teeth, but they also had no cavities. And it took them a few decades to realize there was a reason. It was the fluoride, which was much too high in the water in that city, but that set the stage for some research to be
Starting point is 00:06:22 done in Grand Rapids, Michigan. It was a big study, 1945. So bottom line is, without getting too into it, it was discovered with time that a very small, small amount of fluoride added to the water supply, it occurs naturally, but a small addition to an optimal level helps prevent decay cavities in children and adults. And it's been proven with decades of literature and valid research studies, you know, as opposed to the crazy studies that people tend to bring up these fringe studies that are not well performed and stuff like that. Some of the stuff you just heard was definitely a reflection of that movie and this is the
Starting point is 00:07:03 day and age we're living in it of misinformation we all know that. And there is so they do say studies in which fluoride can reduce the IQ levels of people with sustained or excessive exposure that it can you grow a tail maybe a third eye I don't know what what what's amazing but it's my understanding though that this is a bit of a straw man because what they're talking about is excessive fluoride exposure, not what you're talking about, what is actually in the water, which is a tiny, tiny amount, right? Right. So I feel like when I hear some of these other studies, I feel like my IQ has dropped precipitously
Starting point is 00:07:45 just hearing about these things. But the reality is, yeah, when people quote studies like that, if you take a close look, frequently those studies are either performed in foreign countries, Iran, China, India, not to denigrate those countries, but frequently the levels of fluoride are typically way too high and the nature of the studies are flawed. But if someone looks at the decades of valid solid scientific research, then I don't know why they need to point to these other wacky studies that demonstrate stuff that's just not true. And our surgeon general, as you alluded to, Dr. Latipo, he's free to gallivant
Starting point is 00:08:22 around the state just purporting misinformation about this. And between him and RFo, he's free to gallivant around the state, just purporting misinformation about this. And between him and RFK, it's threatening to ruin the healthcare of our country, much less our state. So it's really a tough time. I mean, anti-vaccine, let's bring back polio, let's bring back measles. Hey, let's get rid of fluoride. It's a really bad trend that we're in. Well, it seems to me that we could very easily just be taking healthcare advice from a guy who talks like this, maybe. Maybe he sounds like that because of too much fluoride.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Maybe it was all. I think according to his family, he drank some can of paint when he was very young and it affected him for the rest of his life, something like that. All of those animals he's hitting with his car and then throwing in the trunk to eat later, whatever the hell this guy's doing.
Starting point is 00:09:11 But, Doctor, what is, I think I read somewhere that in terms of the proof being in the pudding or the proof being in the fluoride, that we have seen a reduction in areas as much as 25% fewer cavities in the areas in which or the countries in which there are these tiny bits of fluoride in the water supply. It's between 25% and 45%, roughly.
Starting point is 00:09:35 I mean, but it's also well known what happens if you take fluoride away. Like, look no further than Calgary, Canada. They're putting it back now because they realized that after they took it away, there was a 700% increase in hospital admissions, IV antibiotics, serious health problems. One misconception is when you hear the word cavity,
Starting point is 00:10:00 people think of a tiny little cavity in a tooth, but cavities become large cavities, which become abscesses, which turn into facial infections, which then can become hospital admissions and even death in a rare case. And especially the underserved population are more at risk when you take away fluoride. So Calgary is putting it back.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Other communities that have lost it, they see the results and then they go back because they realize this is just a bad healthcare decision to take it away. So we already have the guinea pigs in Calgary. We don't have to subject our children in our communities to this. We have the research, we have the science, we have effectively Calgary became an experiment and a failed experiment at that and they are reversing course as a result of that. Again, this isn't just data.
Starting point is 00:10:47 This is public health. This is the health and safety. And we live in a country, let me, I'm going to get on my Billy pulpit. We live in a country where for some reason dental care is not considered health care. So when you buy health insurance, that does not include your dentist. You need a whole separate plan or program or coverage for that. But it's all part include your dentist. You need a whole separate plan or program or coverage for that, but it's all part of your body. And as the doctor just said,
Starting point is 00:11:10 all of these things are interconnected. Okay, you could wind up dying from a lack of dental hygiene or dental care. And of course, as always, this is going to disproportionately affect people who cannot afford regular dental care, who cannot afford toothpaste with fluoride, or people who do not have access to accurate information, who are not appropriately educated on what is and is not best for themselves,
Starting point is 00:11:37 their children, their families. Roy, if you want to know what happens when you grow up in a place without fluoride in the water, go to Domino Park in Little Havana and yell, smile! Okay? That's what we're looking at here. And speaking of which, Roberto Gonzalez is the Miami-Dade County Commissioner who championed this backwards fringe lunatic conspiracy theory that is now the policy of the one of the largest counties in America. He has dentures, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:12:08 Miami. And what he did was he took this scheme in full-fledged Fidel Castro propaganda misinformation style to the children and filled their heads with lies and misinformation. And I mean, we are in a place where we have conspiracy over science, fiction over fact, insanity over reason. And he went to a school, showed them a bullshit one-sided presentation. And then, look what happened. They brought these kids in fully coached,
Starting point is 00:12:43 unable to even pronounce the words that they had written for them to a public meeting. I think fluoride is bad for us. Fluoride, it is a medication that is added to everyone's water. I looked it up and according to the New Jersey Department of Health, fluoride can cause nausea, pho- 36 counties in fluoride have removed fluoride. Thank you so much that was amazing. So effectively they groomed the children against fluoride. Yeah well fluoride is my drag name by the way so I want it I want people who are just listening to key West who can't see this
Starting point is 00:13:37 unlike the parents and teachers and elected officials who exploited these children to propagate misinformation, we blurred their faces, okay? Because this was from a public meeting. These kids who really could not consent, who did not know what they were reading, who did not understand what they were saying, these are exploited children and we will not exploit them on this show. We have blurred their faces. What about the parents? Listen, these are parents who would claim. And what about this doctor?
Starting point is 00:14:12 What about this claim of parental choice? Not that I want these parents, these lunatics making choices for my kids. But what about that argument that the government shouldn't just be putting this stuff into our bodies and our water supplies without consent? What of that? That is a point that some people make, but you might as well say the same thing about other health care measures that have helped tremendously in our country, like vaccines are a clear example. I mean, kids need to have vaccines to go to school. Parents technically can tell their kids, I don't want to send you to school, but then we're looking at higher
Starting point is 00:14:51 rates of measles and whooping cough and other things without vaccines. So I compare it to the same thing. Technically, people have a choice in this world. You can move to a non-fluoridated area. You don't have to turn on your tap water. You can buy a reverse osmosis filter. So there technically is choices, but the government has been in a role, the EPA, whoever of trying to do what's best for the health of the citizens of the country and the state. Local communities want control. So, I mean, it sounds you know kind of radical but you know parents parents technically have a choice. We all have a choice you know so what about the kids that don't get fluoride and they don't have consent
Starting point is 00:15:35 over their disease process they end up in doctors offices in hospitals you know God forbid severe infections especially the underserved. So, you know, you can talk about choice. I know that's a popular talking point, consent, but it all turns out to be BS. At the end of the day, we need to all live in a world that keeps everyone as safe as possible. Same with seat belts in cars. I mean, technically you're taking away my choice. I don't want to put a seat belt on my kid. Well, you know, we need to intervene and do what's best for people.
Starting point is 00:16:06 I think this is a slippery slope here, is making people less healthy, making people less educated, depriving underserved communities from access to either accurate information or something like minuscule levels of fluoride in their water that make them and their children healthier. And I think this is the course that we are regrettably on, Roy.
Starting point is 00:16:30 How do you feel about it, Roy? You look frustrated. I am frustrated. I'm frustrated with everything. And you're right. I'm trying to make people dumb. And if you make a person dumb, they are going to make the wrong decisions, you know, like, you know, your choice of elected officials. Exactly. That's right. The left, yes.
Starting point is 00:16:51 And in Miami, of course, we don't recycle our trash. We reelect it. Last question. The Miami of today may very well be the Florida of tomorrow. I understand you recently returned from Tallahassee, the state capital, where the legislative session is in full swing, and there is apparently a an effort on the part of lawmakers there to ban fluoride statewide. What is the
Starting point is 00:17:13 status of that? No question. I mean, there's a statewide, there's a there's a bill called the Florida Farm Bill, which includes a bunch of different things, but among them is one thing on fluoride that if it passes, will forbid the addition of fluoride statewide. And it looks like that's on track, unfortunately, to pass. But the prediction is that major communities in our state will fight back with court filings and different things saying, wait a minute, how dare you take control over our ability to control our local residents?
Starting point is 00:17:45 Miami is not the same as Bartow, Florida is not the same as Deland is not this, you know, we're all different. And how dare you take that right away? So, but that's threatening to pass the Florida Farm Bill is set to likely pass the, you know, we were, we were all a lot of dentists. We have an annual day on the Hill where we lobby for different things. But I testified before a Senate committee in the afternoon and a representative committee in the morning. And they're pretty much on track to pass this thing.
Starting point is 00:18:17 So that could make everything moot in everywhere else in the state, but we'll have to wait and see. As John McCain used to say, it is always darkest just before it's pitch black. Dr. Richard Mufson, Mufson, M-U-F-S-O-N-D-D-S dot com. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you for having me.
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Starting point is 00:22:20 More breaking news from the broken city of Miami, a story you'll hear only on Because Miami, it's Joe Corollo's Fountain of Death. The corrupt commissioner's unfinished $5.5 million dollar Bayfront Park boondoggle right outside the window here is a money pit and possible death trap. A secret memo obtained exclusively by Because Miami reveals safety concerns about the risk of electrocution and drowning in the newly restored Bayfront Park fountain, leading to a temporary rickety rusted rented chain-link fence around the entire perimeter held up only by a few sandbags. This never before published
Starting point is 00:23:02 internal memo provided to the trust in mid-December confirms the serious concerns and Carollo's awareness of the deadly risks and possibility of personal injury lawsuits. The memo was reportedly sent by DG Aqua, the company that got a multi-million dollar no-bid emergency contract to restore the fountain, even though there was no emergency since the fountain had been shut down for 15 years. Where did then Bayfront Park chairman Joe Corroyo find this company you ask? None other than Mayor Francis Suarez introduced him to this company, which has never built a fountain in the United States before apparently saying, how can I help? And the next thing you know know they got this crazy five and a half million dollar deal what do you know about that
Starting point is 00:23:48 if you put garbage in you're gonna get garbage out so this memo is entitled safety warnings at the Mildred and Claude Pepper fountain and suggests the Park Trust immediately put up signs with what they call explicit warnings all around the fountain which they never did. Nor did they ever report these concerns to the trust's insurance company. The memo reads in part, To prevent incidents and legally protect the city, it is essential that the sign be clear, visible, and in compliance
Starting point is 00:24:18 with all applicable legal requirements. These signs are actually required by law in order to avoid legal liability if someone were to fall into the fountain. So they suggest strongly worded language for the warning signs in both English and Spanish that includes, this area contains mechanical and electrical equipment that presents significant risks including the potential for injury, cuts, and electrocution. The memo says they should place these signs in between every single speaker around the fountain. That means 50 signs. Instead, to this day, they have put zero signs up. The memo goes on to say,
Starting point is 00:24:59 We will design and propose a two-foot railing to be placed on top of the wall, made of. This was suggested by Mr. Joe Corroyo during his visit to the Fountain this week. This statement not only confirms that Joe Corroyo knew about these life safety and liability issues, but also presents another major problem. That was part of the original design that the trust believed was included in the bid. It was in all the early renderings. It was supposed to provide both safety and be a seamless and organic part of the design. There were a couple versions proposed
Starting point is 00:25:32 involving metal slats coming up out of the edge of the fountain bowl with metal rope fencing between them, but they never bothered to build them. Why? Maybe because the metal was too expensive and they were looking to cut costs and maximize profits. Or perhaps Joe Corollo, all sources say, was in such a rush to get the fountain done for the New Year's Eve party
Starting point is 00:25:51 so he could show it off that he gave the company an extra $500,000 bonus for making that deadline. We had promised the residents of Miami that we were going to do this for them for this New Year's. And then the company could come back later, they did and get even more money to build something they were supposed to build in the first place. So all they did was put up this crappy old rented temporary fence that looks like it's falling over and you could easily huff puff and blow the thing right down. I'm told that fence has been up since construction last year, but was removed briefly for two political stunts. That New Year's Eve concert I told you about and a February press conference, get this, announcing the so-called grand
Starting point is 00:26:35 reopening of the fountain. That's right, it gets even more screwed up. Two months ago, on February 12th, the trust falsely claimed this incredible landmark is now restored for residents and tourists to enjoy its spectacular display of water lights and music. But it was all a lie. It was even a ribbon cutting with mayor Ponzi postalita Francis Suarez, a Samir you you're brilliant. You were super smart. Crooked Commission Chair Christine King and, of course, disgraced former Bayfront Park Management Chairman Joe Corollo, who was actually served that night with yet another corruption lawsuit.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Anyway, that ceremony was a total fraud. Despite the dog and pony show, the fountain still remains unfinished with no promised show or music or lights or water screen. Why? Because it's going to cost taxpayers another fifty to one hundred thousand dollars per month. Sources say this was a pre-f***** fountain because when the ironically named trust board voted on only the restoration, but not the maintenance or operation of the fountain, the company gave them a lower bid for the construction under the theory of give a man a razor, sell him blades for life. It's like when you get like free software or download a free app, but then you need to subscribe monthly or you need to do in-app purchases.
Starting point is 00:28:01 It's the same thing. They wanted to get this contract, a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract, and sources tell me it's possible that only DG Aqua can operate and maintain the fountain. So they're the only ones who could actually, potentially get this contract. Like I said, pre-f***ed. Like Apple, you know how Apple makes their own screwdrivers and their own screws proprietary for every product so you can't just take it anywhere for them to open up and repair it or tinker around with it? A source told me it might even be cheaper for the city and the taxpayers to bid out a
Starting point is 00:28:37 totally new fountain and start the entire thing from scratch. It might as well buy a new ship. It would be cheaper I think, huh? It's the boondoggle that keeps on boondoggling. And it's now on its way to becoming the world's largest and most expensive homeless bidet. I just went by there today
Starting point is 00:28:58 and discovered the fountain is completely empty, drained of water and filled with workers crawling all over it. It turns out now two months after the so called grand reopening, they have to repaint the entire fountain because it's already showing signs of rust. And that is why the Miami mafia is undefeated. Coral Gables Mayor Vince Lago is what you get when Joe Corollo mixes Ozempic with HGH. So he's got muscles?
Starting point is 00:29:32 Yeah, but also- He's not fat. A lot of muscle came very quickly, and along with it, alleged anger management issues. So a right rage. Alleged? Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah, right rage. Alleged, allegedly. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about stories of him throwing his jacket off and lunging at the city manager
Starting point is 00:29:53 kind of stories. Oh, that's not good. And as I say, as I said this episode, and I say probably every episode, in Miami we don't recycle our trash, we reelect it. I have to say congratulations to Vince Lago, who was reelected this week. You don't have to say that.
Starting point is 00:30:09 As the Carl Gables mayor with 56% of the vote, with over 26% voter turnout, which by the way, is more than double what it will be in the city of Miami for the elections this year. So that's at least impressive. That is civic engagement, right? 26% voter turnout? Somewhat. So I have to wish Vince Lago a hearty Magatav and I look forward to attending more city commission meetings for public comment. In the meantime, enjoy the latest ditty from Andrew Streeter to celebrate Vince Mar-a-Lago's victory, Cocaine's.
Starting point is 00:30:49 I run this meeting, not you. Mayor, please. I'm not, but I want to get out of the way. No, no, no, no. I'm tired of this. I'm on it, I'm on it, I'm on it. I'm on it now. So, Meryl Gables Is a cesspool of corruption.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Is a racist, hemigog. I'm running this meeting, you're not. He's mentally unstable Completely unfit for his job All his associates are shady Accused of multitudes of crimes Vindictive underhanded sleazeball Am I under investigation?
Starting point is 00:31:22 Marry me girl, beanie loves his grifting and defamatory lies. I'm cool, love, I'm also. F**k Vince Loggo. F**k Vince Loggo. He's like a Roy Raging Psycho. September 11th is not a national holiday. F**k Vince Loggo. F**k Vince Loggo.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Antisemitic asshole. Why don't you just say Jew? He's out there driving around town. Snapping pics of code violations. Trash somebody. To try and take opponents down. Billy Corbin. Bustardo de Sonroso, Corolla 2.0, gets off abusing power
Starting point is 00:32:01 and his political foes. Corruption and malfeasance are his MO. You know he's gotta go. Uncool of a boss, oh. Pay for play. F*** Vince Loggo. F*** Vince Loggo. He's like a roaring raging psycho.
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Starting point is 00:34:27 Hey friends, it's Jerr Bear here and I'm here to tell you all about Boost Mobile, which is now a legit nationwide 5G network. So I must take a break from the jokes here for a second and put on my serious voice. Because I would never ever joke about a 5G network that has invested billions building 5G towers across the country. Not even once. Not even if Mr. Boost Mobile himself asked me to. There is nothing funny about it. Boost Mobile is now a legit nationwide 5G network and also provides coverage across 99% of America. Seriously.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Visit BoostMobile.com or your nearest Boost Mobile store location to learn more. The Boost Mobile network, together with our roaming partners, covers 99% of the US population. 5G speeds not available in all areas.

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