The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - #BecauseMiami: The Man Behind the Curtain

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

John Ruiz's company, MSP Recovery, has notified the Securities and Exchange Commission that has six months left before it shutters its doors. As Billy Corben loudly shouts "I TOLD YOU SO!" about the man and character that is John Ruiz...he brings on 1st Amendment lawyer Ari Cohn to double down on the fact that Billy told you so. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I resent when some of that shade overshadows the good that people are doing, a positive moment in the history of this community and this program. A billionaire whose money may or may not be real who is very interested in you knowing he has money and is looking to buy the Marlins, buy the Dolphins, put stadiums on top of stadiums and conquer all of South Florida.

But he's saying it certainly you've heard of Nevin Shapiro. This is Nevin Piasso. The Ruiz thing smells like Miami. And when something smells like Miami, I am left to distrust anything that smells a little too much like Miami. And we drape in some of that good Cuban cologne. Big booster man on money that may or may not be real, Israel kind of real. It's definitely real.

Okay. The real money that's subject to all sorts of scrutiny and it went public guys. I don't know. At a time when things being real in currency seems less real than it's ever been. Obviously the concern always has been for what? Like the last two years that shady man with shady money pouring it into the Miami, University of Miami again, was gonna end the same way that always ends and it looks by all indications

like that's exactly what's going to happen. I was labeled a hater for just sort of saying, hey, look, the sky's blue, for stating what I thought was the obvious or abundantly clear what is now proven to be a fact. That last headline reads that UM booster, the former, I should say, University of Miami Hurricane sugar daddy, John Reece's company, once called MSP Recovery, then called Life Wallet, now called MSP Recovery again. You know a going concern keeps changing its name and rebranding Roy. Well the company has notified the SEC through public filings

that it may only have six months left to live. How about another rebrand then? I don't know where they could, they should start a defibrillator company, maybe Roy, to revive this dead brand. But what you just heard was a series of clips from this program dating back, the first one was from December of 2021. Back when I was 14 years old, Roy, okay? And so, like, we were the first people to put up the red flags when John Ruiz came out of nowhere, became at the time a self-proclaimed billionaire,

and started writing checks upwards of $10 million for name, image, and likeness contracts with prominent university-miming athletes. We're talking about contracts worth like $800,000 plus a car. We're talking about contracts, some of which kind of eventually got the school in some trouble with the NCAA of course,

because if any school was gonna be the first to get in trouble over NIL deals with the NCAA, it was gonna be the University of Miami. And this guy was a classic Miami character. His company went public through what they call a SPAC, or Special Purpose Acquisition Company, which is- That sounds offensive. Well, but it's also-

It is offensive, not for the reason you're suggesting, but it's a shell company formed solely for the purpose of raising capital through an IPO, a public offering, for the purpose of acquiring or merging with a previously existing company. If it sounds like some sort of a public offering, for the purpose of acquiring or merging with a previously existing company. If it sounds like some sort of a fast one, that's because it is. These were highly suspect vehicles. The SEC was already kind of like not looking kindly on them, but he managed to slip it

in and it became one of the biggest SPACs of all time. The company valuation was like 32 billion dollars so on paper this guy was worth 20 billion because he owned 65 percent of the company which basically resulted in a day one collapse by the way of the stock day one collapse and this year alone so we're involved by the way for over the past year alone the stock is down I think 92, 92, 93%, okay? So I don't know how long this guy was a billionaire on paper for, I'm not sure how many minutes

or how many hours he was a billionaire on paper for. I do know that he made a lot of money from this scheme and I was concerned and expressed my concern in real time as did young Dan, okay? No gray in his beard. Dan and I looked like, Dan looked like he was fresh from his Quinceañera, and I looked fresh from my Bar Mitzvah

in those early Por que Miami clips. But the bottom line is we were flagging this because we were concerned about this character, the health and legitimacy of his company, and where this money was coming from. And that University of Miami athletes were going to get in trouble as they are want to do, not through their own wrongdoing,

but through the wrongdoing of predatory boosters, donors to the school. And this NIL thing has been a wild, wild West situation thanks to the failures of the NCAA to come up with any sort of global rules for them and just let every individual state just kind of make s*** up as they went along and it's a disaster because of that and it's entirely the NCAA's fault but UM athletes are always going to be the first guys to

get in trouble so we were concerned about that, we expressed that concern and it turns out we were right to do it. This guy who claimed to have... We have biometric technology. This guy might very well be the Wizard of Oz. Ari Cohn was that defamatory what I just said? Ari Cohn is a First Amendment lawyer. He's the lead counsel for tech policy at the the fire.org, which is the foundation for individual rights and expression. He had some Twitter beef, some tweef with John Ruiz last year. We had him on the show with some of his mean tweets

that resulted in a 100 plus page bar complaint against him in Illinois that was dismissed so quickly. I don't even know that they could have read it because it was so f***ing ludicrous, this document. But speaking of ludicrous, John Ruiz has just put out a press release that he has filed a lawsuit for defamation against the Miami Herald for pulling a journalism on him. This is in John Ruiz's own words, he has filed a defamation lawsuit on behalf of MSP Recovery

founder and CEO John H. Ruiz against Miami Herald, McClatchy company, the company that owns Herald, and reporters Jay Weaver and Ben Weider for false misleading and defamatory reporting that resulted in more than $5 billion in losses. I should have said $5 billion in the Dr. Evil voice because that's as preposterous as that is, $5 billion. So Ari, let's start with what I said.

If I said he might be the Wizard of Oz, is that defamatory? I mean, that's rhetorical hyperbole and opinion. So no, I don't even know that it's hyperbolic, but okay, let's let's say Roy Roy. That would be in the end. The one that sustained for you overruled from John Ruiz. So where do we begin? Because you wrote a sensational blog post about this lawsuit last week where you read the whole damn thing, which was hard to read because it was written

in crayon. It is one of the whiniest, bitchiest, most but hurt complaints I've ever read. Light on facts, full of feeling though and emotion and irrelevant biographical details. I'm not entirely sure the lawyers who signed it wrote it because it reads like an autobiography. It reads like a John Ruiz like self-flagellating special. Like where do we begin with this what I presume is a five-billion-dollar lawsuit against the Miami Herald for defaming John H Ruiz. I mean, it's not just that it reads like an autobiography. It's that on the docket at least as of I think like last weekend I don't know if this has changed but there was no lawyer for John Ruiz listed on the docket other than John Ruiz

Oh, so he would have, he would have filed it by himself. Oh, it looks like, but it also said that he filed it on behalf of. MSP recovery or I'm very confused. It says MSP recovery filed on behalf of him, which could make sense. If they were maybe like listed as his attorney, but that would still be a weird way of saying it. But also, let's kind of just get to one of the big picture issues of why none of this makes any sense.

Is that one of the primary claims here, and we'll get to why it's bullshit in a second, but one of the claims is that the Miami Herald defamed MSP Recovery by saying it was the target of federal investigations. Now, if MSP Recovery is the party that was defamed, MSP Recovery has to be the party that sued, but the only named plaintiff is John Ruiz. So who is suing, what attorney's representing, who for what, and who are the party? None of it makes any sense at all.

MSP Recovery isn't listed as a party, so I don't know how MSP being defamed has anything to do with the price of tea in China. Is what you're saying is even before you get into the claims in the complaint and the facts Yeah, it's like pre-f**ked. Yeah, this is these are mistakes that like somebody straight out of law school wouldn't have made Like you have to have the proper parties It's just it's beyond rookie mistake, it's just incomprehensible how somebody could make these mistakes so

Here's the other thing though. Let's talk about before we get into the target thing. I started to wade through some of the 99 pages of exhibits which are filled with emails, but from their lawyers with the Miami Herald and their attorneys or the New York Post and their attorneys, all of whom for the most part stand by the journalism of the reporters. And one of the things I've noticed is that more often than not in all of these stories, they are relying upon the company's own public filings, at least in advance of the article, or later those filings with the SEC corroborate the reporting done by these reporters. There is a grand jury or multiple grand juries convened investigating the company and the company is quote unquote cooperating with them that there are questions about the legitimacy of some of the claims of the company the fact that the company

in addition to projecting nearly one billion dot one billion dollars in revenue on year one, about $993 million they projected, they generated about $23 million and change, and that was against an over $100 million operating loss. At the time that they had a $33 billion or $32 billion evaluation on the launch of their IPO, there also wasn't any revenue. There was almost zero revenue, and yet they were claiming the company was worth $32 billion. So there's a lot of questions here that their own filings,

the company's own public filings raise, not to mention that after their first year of filings, most of which were late, filed late, they filed this wild document with the SEC saying, all of our previous filings or most of our previous filings were unreliable. You cannot trust any of the financial information that we ourselves have self-reported.

So what I'm saying is like, how can you even defame this company when all you have to do is copy and paste their own reports Which it appears to me. That's all the Herald did Yeah Well, you know there is such a thing as the the defamation proof plaintiff where you know it their reputation is so shot already That nothing you say could possibly lower their esteem in the eyes of the community anymore It takes a lot to get there. I don't know necessarily if they're there yet, but yikes.

But I'm just saying like, did it read to you because they in this complaint, John Ruiz and his attorneys, whoever wrote this, this ridiculous, ridiculous amateur hour document that they that I should have printed out on toilet paper, so at least it would have some use to somebody for something. But- Nah, it will clog your pipes. Really, it probably would.

Reading this though, they take a lot of, or several, more than several of the Herald articles out of context. They don't include full quotes from some of their expert sources that they quote. They don't even really seem to understand what defamation means. And again, they seem more often than not to rely on the company's own statements.

So what is going on here? I mean, what's going on is obviously that John Ruiz doesn't like when people criticize his company and he seems to think that his word should be taken as gospel and anyone who doesn't credit his word should, I guess, have to pay him $5 billion, I don't know, even when his word appears to be worth very little, all things considered over the course of his history. You know, it's quite bizarre. It's really, it's a strange lawsuit. It doesn't really make any sense.

Is any of it defamation? It reads to me as desperate, honestly. And does any of it rise to, well, not just simply rise to defamation, but like, is their understanding of the law even consistent with what defamation could be under these circumstances. I mean, well, he gives the wrong definition for defamation at one point in the claim,

so that's not really promising. I assume that maybe he has a vague general idea of what defamation is. I have zero, zero belief, however, that he actually knows the ins and outs of defamation law and how one pleads it and proves it. I had my suspicions of that a year, whatever ago, where he started threatening to sue people for defamation on Twitter, and then got mad at me for telling him that he couldn't do that,

because it wasn't gonna stick. And now that this has been filed, I am just absolutely certain that he has no idea what he's talking about. Shouldn't he have like, you know, legal counsel to advise him not to do something stupid like this? You think John Ruiz needs anyone telling him

what he does and doesn't know? John Ruiz, discount Dan Donald Trump. You know, he's the greatest you've ever seen. Everything he says is wrong. Yeah, he's Dan greatest you've ever seen. Everything he says is old. Yeah, he's Dan Trump. Yeah. You have to remember, this is a guy who self-produced and posted to his own YouTube account a documentary short called John Ruiz Living Legend.

I'm so glad I wasn't aware of that until right now. Well, I'm going to send you the link so you could watch it. And this is a man who told you, right to your Twitter face, Ari, that he is a litigator of national magnitude. Did he not? He did indeed. A litigator of national magnitude who can't figure out who the proper plaintiff is in a case,

I suppose. It's not really, again, not really promising. Okay, let's talk about this word-minsing here on target. The Miami Herald made the outrageous and seemingly accurate observation that MSP, recovery, life wallet, whatever it's called this week, was the target of multiple federal investigations.

Again, as I've already said, they seem to have disclosed that in their own public documents, the company itself. But is that they seem to spend a lot of time saying that they are not in fact, the target of anything. And it's defamatory to state or suggest that they are. Yeah, it's really strange because they acknowledge that there is there are investigations and that they are the ones being investigated.

They do not take any issue with that contention. What they seem to be claiming is that because the Department of Justice's justice manual, in the context of talking about the rights and policies and procedures when someone is called to testify in front of a grand jury, calls someone a target if there is substantial evidence linking them to the commission of the crime, that because the word target has this specialized use in this one particular case, that it's defamatory to say they are the target of an investigation. That's nonsense for a few reasons, not least of which is because nobody reading the Miami Herald reads the word target and thinks, oh yeah, you mean the definition in the justice manual, which most people don't even know exists. They have a manual? Yeah, it's a manual for justice. They didn't get rid of it because of DEI?

Emanuel justice sounds like a NBA player. Yeah, it does. There is a manual of justice, yes. Anyone reading this statement in the Miami Herald would know immediately that the meaning is that MMSP recovery is the one being investigated. That is very clear. It is unreasonable to claim that anyone would think otherwise. It is just the worst kinds of like trying to nitpick on formalistic legal technology.

And for what it's worth, the courts don't hold journalists to the proper use of formal legal terminology, specifically because this could happen, because it would become very dangerous to report on legal proceedings, because you say one thing and you take the normal meaning of it rather than the formal legal meaning of it and somebody sues you for defamation. Like it's

literally, I mean like you said, it's the whiniest thing I've ever seen. It's just not gonna stick. They just said like, oh they are the subject of the investigation. No, subject has a meaning in the in the justice manual too. But if if the Miami Herald had said, MSP recovery is being investigated, like, there wouldn't they wouldn't have even had this whiny hook like and that's clearly what targeted the investigation means in the common parlance. So like it's

just, I don't know why they think that a judge is going to look at this and do anything but say, why the fuck are you wasting my time? Speaking of which, there's also a claim here, I believe, if I'm reading this correctly, and I don't know how to read this, because I've read quite a few defamation claims, and this is one of the worst I've ever seen

as far as sheer incompetence, legal incompetence is concerned. But the first two pages, I'm sorry, almost three pages, Roy, is just every number. One, John Ruiz is a great man. Two, John Ruiz is a Cuban-American man. Three, John Ruiz is a litigator of national magnitude. I've never seen anything like, have you ever seen it? One paragraph Ari, you could establish someone's bona fides and say, this guy is a guy with a reputation and go on to explain how you've defamed, right? Is there like three pages of this shit?

It's like two and a half pages of bullet points about the various people who have vetted MSP recoveries, like procedures and like algorithms, which has nothing to do with anything. It's very bizarre. It is exactly the kind of like self aggrandizing nonsense that you would expect if John Ruiz had written the complaint, which he may well have. And also they claim that because the Herald had described another civil lawsuit against them, the Kano Health lawsuit, they're being sued for like 67 million. There was a claim that John Ruiz's company was quote unquote a Ponzi scheme in that complaint. They simply quoted this legal complaint, this civil case. And I think he's, he says that's defamatory for publishing.

He implies it, but he doesn't make it into any of the counts for some reason. So I don't really know whether they forgot about it or I don't know. But yeah, in any event, you are allowed to report on what a legal document or what has said during a legal proceeding as long as you do it fairly and accurately. And if you're describing what Kano Health is claiming about MSP recovery, like, yeah, you're going to repeat some of the things that John Ruiz thinks is false. But like, you're allowed to report accurately on what the legal document contains. So he's shit out of luck there.

It just seems like he thinks that nobody should be allowed to criticize John Ruiz. And if you do, then you have to print John Ruiz's side of things too. Otherwise you'd be, and by the way, in the article about the Kano health lawsuit, the Miami realtor actually does tell a MSP recovery side of things and talks about the lawsuit that MSP recovery filed against Kano. So it's like really, really whiny. Last question.

$5 billion, it doesn't appear he's suing for $5 billion. The press release headline says that, but what is he suing for? What remedy or punishment against that? So he definitely does want money and I wouldn't be surprised to hear him say the $5 billion in the litigation, which like strikes to me as like,

like source crack pipe meme territory. He also wants an injunction against the Miami Herald publishing anything about John Ruiz ever again. What? He wants them, yes, he wants an injunction. He wants a prior restraint for them. So the Miami Herald can never say anything about John Ruiz ever again,

which is not only just deeply stupid, it is also flagrantly, obviously unconstitutional. And I just, it's absurd that the thought to actually ask for that would even cross his mind. It just, it goes to show how deep up his own whatever his head is. Kulo. We call it a Kulo. Kind of sounds like what the current president of the United States is doing. Well, there are some similarities between their personality.

And when I say that, I mean, John Ruiz just really wishes he was Donald Trump and like tries to emulate him in every way and like say what you will about whether or not Donald Trump pulls it off. There's one thing that is certain is John Ruiz does not pull it off. Well, there's one reason why you don't f*** with John Ruiz. We have biometric technology. Alright, Cohen. Thanks so much for being here. TheFire.org. And we had to revive this Streeter classic for this very occasion.

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I'll have a profit and be threatening As this amounts to nothing eventually All's to count it as a win for sure John H. Ruiz Being me Demands some legal recourse Or a formal complaint Never tell And I am A painting ball to like me So they let me play ball

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I'll still count it as a win for sure From a lawyer's perspective Cause I don't really know love To Johnny Trues A retweet demands a legal action Or a formal complaint Make it rain on the canes The stadium is a pipe dream I'll never build it at all John Ruiz is a sleaze

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except for John Ruiz's nephew Mike Ryan Ruiz and we were correct to be skeptical. We were, but that did not stop the sport holes on Twitter from going after me. And now we're going to look back in a top five, Roy. Oh, okay, hold on. It's a top five. What do we call this top five though? These are shit tweets at me, but they were wrong, dude.

Right, yeah. Okay. They were wrong. And this was all in the interest of protecting student athletes at the University of Miami, the reputation of the Miami Hurricanes Athletic Department, and for all the reasons that I think have become abundantly clear through the years, but let's start with our OLI from at Daniel Kane 1970 with the avatar of it's all about the you just like steer right into the sports hole thing. I appreciate this one. This is very nice. I respect both Izzy Havnick and Billy Corbin and I like them both, but on this one they have no idea what they're talking about and it's not wise to challenge Jean Ruiz because he's one and he's an attorney by trade. I appreciate that, Danny Boy. I know Izzy

does too. Izzy Havnick is a he's not just a golden cane, Roy. He's not just a golden cane. His family is on the Board of Trustees at the University of Miami. Their family name is on the athletic department and on a residential hall there. And he was our guest on the show some time ago to talk about how dubious the situation was. So he's a platinum Kane. He is a platinum, absolutely.

And I appreciate Danny Boy Kane chiming in, and I respect him. I think the problem here is, is that the idea that John Ruiz is an attorney and he should be deferred to because of his legal expertise Did not age well. Well, he doesn't know the Constitution So just like in the song demands a legal recourse number five from at go Cain's Garry go At Billy Corbin and Izzy Havnick need to shut their mouths why are you fighting against progress go Canes. No no hashtags there you gotta read the

hashtag. Hashtag the time is now hashtag don't be a fan later at Alex 7 Ruiz John Ruiz's son at John H Ruiz at Johnny Ruiz for also John H Ruiz. I have to read all of it? Yes. Oh Jesus. You can't leave anything out man, the audio. Obviously telling us to shut our mouths when we were telling the truth is pretty funny. And the idea that we were fighting against progress,

that was the opposite of course of what we were fighting against. But we can agree on that last bit. Go Canes. Yo, go Canes. Go Canes. Don't be a fan later. Hashtag, hashtag.

Hashtag. Don't be a, later. Hashtag, hashtag. Hashtag. Don't be a, hashtag the time is now. Ha ha ha ha. Number four, at Sportsbet Expert, at SBet Team. Shut up, Billy. Oh, Jesus. Shut up, Billy. My Lord, trying to get clicks from this

and calling Ruiz a Miami Hurricane sugar daddy, he loves the Canes. Who cares? He's doing way more good than you are. All right, let's set the grammar aside for a moment. He was the Miami Hurricane Sugar Daddy. I don't think that's an insult. I think that was in fact a compliment.

I don't know what kind of clicks I'm getting. I believe that John Ruiz loves the Canes, I do. But I also believe that being involved with characters like him could be potentially harmful to the program. And as it turns out, I believe it was. When he says who cares, I care. I care about the student athletes, and I care about the health and safety of the program,

and its reputation, and its ability to succeed. And he's doing way more good than you are. I mean, you're a cane baiter. Can a lot of people are saying, oh, I'm a race baiter. Me, me being a race baiter, you know, because I'm calling out racism on Twitter, currently known as X. You are a cane baiter. I am a baiter and I'm the master at it. I would be the master baitator, I think.

I'm waiting for the sound, I'm waiting for the audio. It's on the page that I have to find right now. Hold on for a second. I think I got it. There you go. Number three, At Kane 305786. I love that handle, by the way. I love that handle.

Props to that handle. Should be number one just for that handle at 305786 at Kane 305786. Exactly, ellipses, comparing at John H. Ruiz to Nevin Shapiro is not only insulting, but ignorant. I'm actually not gonna defend that point because that was Dan who did that. So, f*** him.

I mean, Dan's the one that made that that comparison I think more so than I did. But it was neither insulting nor ignorant if anything it was insulting to Nevin Shapiro. Number two at this name I love it T-U- Turnova with an A. Turnova with an A. Turnova chain. A heart A. A heart A. Oh, I love this town.

He tweets at me, please respond to at John H. Ruiz. I know you are scared of him since you got yet another prediction wrong. This is your legacy. What was the original Statement that you had to respond to it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because you were right We played a bunch of highlights at the top of the hour, dude. I mean this was we were right

What was I wrong about just tell me what was I right my leg it by the way, Miami. It's a town I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times, Miami is a place where lies are love and truth is hate, okay? People don't wanna hear the truth. It's a portalita kinda town, okay? It's a nationwide epidemic now. Well, it's like Tinkerbell. If you don't believe in it, it doesn't exist.

So you gotta just keep believing in it, okay? Number one, at U-Step to Step 21. I love this. U-Step to Step 21. I love this. U-Tep to Step. U-Tep, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The University of Texas El Paso. At U-Tep to Step 21.

John, I'm looking forward to your boxing match against Billy when you open up that new Kane Stadium. Yeah, I'm waiting for that boxing match too when he opens up the new Kane Stadium, which I told you from day one, not only was never going to happen, but the Miami Hurricanes don't want it. The athletic department doesn't want it. The university doesn't want it. The school board where he said he was going to knock down a high school and build it, and Carl Gables doesn't want it. The school board where he said he was going to knock down a high school and build it, and Carl Gables doesn't want it.

Miami-Dade County, which controls Tropical Park where he claimed he was going to build his new location of the state, it's not going to happen. And I know telling the truth makes me a hater, but it's still the truth. And speaking of truth that hurts, this week the City of Miami Commission postponed a vote on whether or not to deputize local cops with immigration enforcement powers. That's in the City of Miami, where over half the population is foreign-born,

and more than 70% are Latino or Hispanic. And they wanna follow in the footsteps of at least half a dozen other Miami-Dade cities. Sweetwater, Coral Gables, West Miami, Sunny Isles Beach, Miami Springs, and Hialeah, where 93% of residents speak a language other than English. To enter into this 287G agreement, which is a task

force model which would allow the Miami police department officers to conduct immigration functions, federal immigration functions during routine work, like a traffic stop or whatever it may be. This is a big deal because Miami is the largest city in Miami-Dade County, the second most populous in Florida, and the Obama administration had eliminated these task forces back in 2012 after a Department of Justice investigation found it led to racial profiling and discrimination toward Latinos.

President Donald Trump brought it back this year. So the Miami Commission did delay that vote, but they are planning on doing it later this summer. So we'll keep you posted on that progress. You get what you vote for. But for like, I never thought the Leopards would eat my face, right. But we are going to do a firm our Miami moment a throwback to 25 years ago this week. After four months of protests that shut down the city, the Palmetto Expressway, our freeways, Biscayne Boulevard by the immigration

building at 79th Street, the Port of Miami, countless family and federal court hearings, extensive due process, and meetings between Elian Gonzalez's Miami relatives and Attorney General Janet Reno, during which, Elion's great uncle, Lazaro, told Janet Reno, the attorney general, that if she wants to comply with multiple judges that ordered Elion be returned to his closest living relative, his father, that she'd have to take him, quote, by force, end quote. And on April 22nd, 2000, 25 years ago this week, she did just that. And Little Havana erupted in violence.

And it's also the reason why George W. Bush got elected, according to you, in your movie. That is correct, it's a little bit of a spoiler, you're getting a little bit ahead of the punchline here, but yes, that is gonna be our Miami- Well, I didn't know it was gonna be the punchline. We put a clip from 537 votes, but Little Havana, on what is sometimes known

as parental rights week here in Miami little Havana erupted in violence against federal agents there were rioters setting fires on the streets of Miami burning American flags and then Miami mayor Joe Carollo mayor, Joe Corollo. He was the mayor 25 years ago. Unbelievable. It's like a cockroach. This guy has got more lives than Fidel Castro. Joe was right out there in front of the cameras and you're not going to want to miss him getting bitch slapped by fake Bill Clinton on Saturday Night Live.

And I should say after the raid, Corollo fired the police chief and the city manager, the last two gringos in city leadership at the time, for not giving him advance notice of this INS enforcement effort. But it was later reported that the feds did not trust Corollo, so they demanded that he not be told. So here is a remixed clip from our HBO original documentary, 537 Votes, executive produced by Adam McKay, Cocaine's. That defiant Lazaro Gonzalez made it clear he was not going to turn over Elian to his

father. His great uncle Lazaro told Attorney General Janet Reno that the boy could be removed only by force. Only in Miami, his crew was so far away. Standing on the shoreline waiting, everyone anticipating, I can hear their brokenhearted say. Only in Miami, his crew was so far away. Only in Miami, his crew was so far away. No one was seriously hurt, but outside the house,

for some of those who had been holding vigil day and night, the emotional wounds were deep. Is that democracy? No, that's Castro tactics. You turned Miami into Havana. Far away. I would like to take a moment to talk to the exiled Cuban community in Miami, who are so upset over the recent government action there, and extend this heartfelt message to them.

Shut the hell up. It's supposed to be non-violent. I just called the police three times. I'm burning this place like Clinton did. It was a circus. I just saw you throw a rock. No, no good. Clinton is shit. Reno is motherfuckin'.

All right, Miss Reno, are you throw a rock. No, no, no. Flinto is shit. Reno is motherfuckers. Alright, Miss Reno, are you ready? Ready! Go Blue! Go Blue! That's it, let's move, move, move, move, move! Hand over the children! Happy Easter! Hand over the children! It was a very bad situation post-raid in the Cuban-American community.

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