The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - #BecauseMiami: Vote or Something

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

On this Because Miami before Election Day, we are making an impassioned plea with all of you...go vote. Joining Billy Corben this week is Fernand Amandi, who has some not-so-surprising poll numbers regarding the presidential election. Anna Hochkammer of Florida Women's Freedom Coalition talks about Ron DeSantis's messaging regarding Amendment 4 on the Florida ballot. And Jeremy Tache has a game he wants us to play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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stolen and a call for many Cuban Americans to go defend the ballots in the way they couldn't defend Elian Gonzalez. That was Fernanda Mondi in my documentary, HBO original, 537 votes, executive produced by Adam McKay, now available on the Max machine and on HBO On Demand discussing the all important Cuban vote in Miami-Dade County and statewide in Florida. Enough to swing that election in 2000 by only a 537 vote margin here in Florida for George W. Bush against Al Gore, thus changing the course of history. Florida, it's always like this butterfly effect, Roy. The Florida of today is the America of tomorrow. I'm so sorry. And speaking of the Cuban vote, a new poll from Florida International University shows

that Cuban-American support for Donald Trump is at an all-time high. Donald Trump is leading Kamala Harris amongst Cuban voters 68% to 23%. That's up from 35% in 2016 and 59% for Trump four years ago in 2020. These are astounding figures. That is 68% support from Cuban American voters. Amazing. Joining us now is the head of the public opinion and strategic consulting firm Ben Dixon Amandi. He is also a University of Miami Poly Sci professor, an MSNBC political analyst born and raised in the county of Dade. Fernand, what do you make of this poll? Obviously, Donald Trump is going to carry Florida. I mean, Florida is not in play, much to the contrary of

what the Florida Democrats and the chairperson, Nikki Fried, would have you believe. But these are extraordinary figures out of the Cuban community in Miami-Dade. The poll results are indeed remarkable, Billy, for the reason that while there may be other presidential elections in the future, this poll, I think, says something and does something that will change the way the Cuban-American community is perceived forever. And if you think about it, Billy, in the sense that this is the first presidential election after the events of January 6, 2021, where undoubtedly, Donald Trump led an insurrection attempted to overturn a legitimate election and impose a coup on this country in the United States.

This poll, what it does more than anything to me, and it's a very tragic story as a Cuban-American myself, is that it destroys the 60 years of moral authority that the Cuban-American community claimed to have in this country, so much so that it even led to defy, in a sense, the country and the leadership of the country at the turn of the century when they protested Elian Gonzalez being returned back home to Cuba because the idea was always freedom and

democracy and the greatness of this country's political system was the most important thing in contrast to what had happened in Cuba where they had allowed a dictator strongman to not only take over but in essence destroy the country with their overwhelming support of Donald Trump, which this poll makes crystal clear. I think they've pissed away all of that moral authority. And I don't think they're ever going to get it back. And there used to be some jockeying for the Cuban vote between the parties. And and there was a lot of policy

conversations about what is your stance on Cuba and candidates were forced in many cases to take hard line positions against obviously the then Castro regime. Nobody seems to be talking, nobody knows what Trump's Cuba policy is, no one's asked Kamala Harris what her Cuba policy is, are we just done with freeing Cuba? I thought that was the whole goal of this operation the last 60 years. Well, you know Donald Trump always comes to Miami and you know Strokes the passions of the communities and plays on the trauma of the Cuban-American

Experience, you know with saying, you know Fidel and the Castro regime will be overturned and he's gonna free Cuba But we all know with Trump it's all words. It never really manifests itself into actual policy. But I think, again, the fact that the Cuban community would so embrace the most Fidel-like figure that we've ever seen in the United States openly, almost without reservation, not only, as you said, has it destroyed any good faith efforts by both parties to try and cultivate the vote since they're seen to be in the pocket of the MAGA Republicans. It also again has branded this community

as somewhat, if not outright hypocrites in their decades long storyline and insistence that the most important thing was democracy and freedom. But yet their support, open support of someone who says that they're gonna be a dictator on day one, again, Trump's words, not my own, someone who is own closest advisors in his first term said, meets all the criteria of a fascist,

I think is disqualifying for the community, Billy. And I have to say, like, obviously Russia has always been the great benefactor of Cuba for the entirety of the Castro regime to present day. And Russia is very much a fan of Donald Trump as Donald Trump is of Russia. I feel like Fidel Castro is looking up on us right now, smiling about all of this somehow, about the exile community's embrace of this guy. But let me ask you and I'll ask Jeremy, our resident Cuban here. Fernan, you're not only a Cuban American, Fernan, but you are a pollster.

So you have as a vocation your fingers on the pulse of the Cuban Americans, particularly down here in the diaspora, if you will, of South Florida. My question is, when you look at these numbers from 2016, 35% support for Trump. 2020, 59% support for Trump. 2020, 59% support for Trump. Today, 68% support for Trump. My question is, what did Donald Trump do during the four years of his administration and in the subsequent four years of his administration?

I'm talking about his conduct, his words, his policies as they were, his actions. What about that speaks to this demographic very clearly such that there is this just — I mean, this is an unprecedented — I don't know that there's another single group that has increased their support for Donald Trump like this into such leaps and bounds. So what what has this community seen from this guy that they go yeah, this is our guy. Well, they've clearly seen something that has been sublimated in the consciousness of the Cuban community and a

Fidel Castro like figure that remember Castro rose to power in Cuba with overwhelming popular support early on in his regime. And Trump kind of enjoyed the same phenomenon. It's this unquestioning, uncritical, bordering on Billy, cult-like following and obsession with Trump, despite the fact that, as you say, when it comes to Cuba policy, Cuba is no closer to falling today in the year 2024 than it was before Donald Trump took office and took the presidency. I mean, if you want to give Trump political credit for something, what he did do is the performative stuff.

He does that very well. He will come down and say and whisper sweet, maybe not scream sweet nothings you know into the ear of the community he'll do a lot of that work he'll go and do the obligatory stops at Versailles he'll do his awkward you know a bizarro version of the cha-cha when he's you know stroking on two hands there but that seems to be enough for the Cuban-American community sadly nothing has happened that they've actually changed the actual policy itself. And in terms of what he's done for them, they're still the biggest supporters of Obamacare. You know, we see that still. So it's not really something done.

Seriously, they're voting against their own health care. This Democrat. I mean, like, Hialeah is the number one city in the entire country for Obamacare signups. And Mike Johnson just said, the Speaker of the House just said, day one, no mass, Obamacare. I mean, that's crazy, Jeremy. I think something that seemingly in the conversations that I've had, whether it's with extended family that leans toward voting for Donald Trump or just people within the community,

I think some of the reality that we have to acknowledge is how race, class, and law and order tactics really play with Cuban Americans. Because now- Strong man. Yeah, now the strong man, a reminder is also like this has now been passed down for generations of Cuban Americans.

This is no longer the people, for the most part, who actually went through the plight of what it was to come here from Cuba. It's now generations removed. And in turn, you have sort of rhetoric that can play in a way without the hands-on experience. It's no different, Billy, than you and I would talk about when it comes to Holocaust survivors

and the passed down trauma that exists within the Jewish community. And you have now, it's passed down in a different way, obviously, like those are two very different things in different times. But we're talking about a generational divide. And the reality is, is that, you know, you look at the majority of the folks that that came over from Cuba to begin with, right. They were fearful of socialism.

They as socialism was taking over in this dictatorship way, socialism became sort of the boogeyman word. And as they project that onto the Democrats more and more and more throughout time, whether Kamala Harris is even close to that economically or not, it becomes scary. You look at sort of the law and order in American politics, because the idea is that is a different thing than what Castro was doing in law and order in Cuba

to get people in line. And so you also play the racial dynamics and Trump has obviously exploited racial minorities and you know, Cubans can, we can be white passing. Look at me, I'm a perfect example of this, of as a Jewish Cuban and you might not know either in that way and when there's a racial disparity, I know in my own family, there are plenty of racist Cubans, whether that's

toward the African American community or whether that's toward other Hispanic communities. And as Trump continues to exploit those and go after those, there's sort of a rah rah mentality of like, all right, yeah, because we belong here. Us Cubans belong here in a different way than some of these other immigrant communities. I know you opened up so many cans of worms, all of which are absolutely fascinating. Certainly as a Jew, I am sensitive and empathetic to the generational trauma that Cuban Americans experience.

Lost a country, but I was speaking to a conservative Republican woman just the other day at an event, and she said to me in these words that we lost Cuba because we were bamboozled by a con man who turned out to be a dictator. And I was like, no shit, you don't say. And I'm like, are we not, I'm like, did you hear the words that were coming out of your mouth? I heard the words that were coming out of your mouth.

And we are attuned, I think as Jewish Americans, to identifying fascism, to identifying injustice, to identifying threats to freedom and justice. To Fernand's earlier point though, about kind of exposing the lie, if you will. Has this ever been about freedom and democracy, or has this just been a 60 year battle of my dictator was better than your dictator?

Batista pretended to be a right-wing dictator and we liked him, we didn't like the left-wing dictator, but I mean, a dictator is a dictator, no? You know, Billy, prior to this election and prior to these poll results, I think that was an open question in the sense of what did it mean? But I think with seeing these results now, it really does call into the idea and to the question of, was it all just hypocrisy? Was it all just BS?

Again, for me, I say this with great regret and longing because I grew up in a very staunch, anti-communist Cuban American household. I always was mystified because as you said, even though I was born in this country, that generational trauma is passed on. And I was always curious, how could a country have been lost like that? Especially you hear the great stories about what a paradise Cuba was and how wonderful it was to live there, how could it have been lost? Only to now in my 40s experience this phenomenon with Trump that now explains it clearly because as you experienced

the other night when you had that conversation Billy, what comes out of the mouths of these people for support, my people of Trump, is incoherence at best, ignorance at worst, or bad faith at that, because they also know enough to talk around and ignore very sincere pushback points that I'm sure you did with your person that you were speaking to, and I certainly do with friends and family and people I encounter

in the community all the time. I want to read this headline from the Miami Herald just yesterday. A million Floridians would be kicked out under Trump's mass deportation plans. As many as one in 20 Floridians, a million people could be expelled from the country under a mass deportation plan that is a cornerstone of former President Donald Trump's campaign.

The American Immigration Council, based in Washington, D.C., put numbers to Trump's sweeping plan to deport 13.3 million undocumented or otherwise removable, so not just undocumented, otherwise removable immigrants in the United States should he return from the White House. Now, of course, that would like tank the economy, okay? So a one-time mass deportation, according to the Miami Herald and this report, to expel millions from the country would cost at minimum $315 billion.

That is a conservative estimate, the researchers found, and the ramifications would go far beyond. And that's just the cost of the operation, mind you, which would involve detention camps, separating parents from their children. And we know there are thousands still separated from the previous Trump administration's family separation plan, but you've got detention camps for immigrants, millions of families separated, but you've got existing job shortages getting worse and the U.S. economy would shrink. The annual U.S. GDP could drop by as much as 6.8 percent according to the report,

while government tax coffers that pay for schools and other critical services would also take a hit because undocumented immigrants paid nearly $77 billion in local, state, and federal taxes in 2022 alone. So this is the kind of thing when you hear Elon Musk go, which every fascist regime starts with, we must take the short term hits for long term glory. Like what the, they're gonna tank the US economy. Your 401k, which by the way is probably up 25% since the start of the Biden administration is going to flatline.

And your friends and neighbors, and probably some of your family members are going to get deported why is it that there are immigrants who think that they are immune to this policy. This is probably the most triggering aspect of all of this because every single Cuban American whether they were you know born in Cuba or came as young children from Cuba to the United States. They are only here because of the benevolence of the United States government and they were

given through President Kennedy's actions, through Lyndon Johnson's actions, subsequently a special status that nearly every other immigrant group did not have the benefit from. So for the Cuban community to not only embrace this draconian deportation talk, but be amongst the strongest levels of support for Trump in the country on this, again, is hypocrisy to the worst degree, disqualifying to the worst, and totally at odds, Billy, with what has allowed them to flourish themselves in the country. I mean, you cannot get more dissonant and incongruent and just all over the map than that embraced by the community.

And what it comes down to fundamentally always, as I have these conversations is, well, Trump is gonna do this to the bad ones, right? Cause it's always the bad ones. It's never them. They were always the good immigration wave. It's the bad ones that are here now, not recognizing that there is no discrimination. The Trump MAGA regime will see them

all the same. I have so much more I want to talk to you about, but we got to go. Is Florida in play for now? No, I got to listen. I mean, how many Puerto Ricans do we have Florida Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. And Chairwoman Nikki Fried, to be fair,

she inherited a dumpster, but all she's done is light a match. I mean, these grifters and opportunists who run this party here, the Florida Democrats are the Washington generals of politics. They literally get paid to lose. And I'm so sick and tired of it.

By the time election day rolls around, we will probably see one million more Republicans having voted in this election than Democrats. And this comes in a state where just a few short years ago, Democrats had a registration advantage in this state. So why, Fernand, the absolute death spiral, before we go, of not only democratic registrations, but turnout in this election?

Well, first off, Billy, I mean, you're absolutely right, as always. Nothing would please me more than to come back on this podcast with a steaming plate of croquettes and eat a bunch of that crow and apologize if the results don't go the other way. But I do believe that they are absolutely going to be as you and I and others have said,

Florida's not in play. And the fundamental problem with that is, it's obviously not in play. This will be the first time in decades that any major party nominee from either side, Republican or Democrat, will not have come to campaign in Florida at any point during the election,

which Kamala Harris has not, and she won't, neither will Tim Walz. So I find the actions of those that say Florida in play to be a form of gaslighting, because what you're doing is you're raising and creating a sense of expectation that you know is not going to happen as opposed to saying listen we've got a lot of work to do here it's probably not going to go our way

but we do want to start building out for the future and this is a great opportunity in 2024 to see how far we can get if we if we shock the world and win great but you know it's it's it's a precedent that has been compounded on sadly, where they're gaslighting their own voters. And in a lot of respects, you have to almost ask yourself, how is that different than what MAGA is doing to their own people as they gaslight them? So I'd something I'm very, I take very personal that stuff. You just both sides did there, Fernand.

But I did forget when I made that metaphor earlier, the Washington generals to play this card. Sports! Fernand Amande, you can find him on what's left of Twitter, at Amandi on air. Bernan, happy belated Halloween and happy upcoming election day. Let's hope it's a good one, as John Lennon said once in a song. Magatav. Ladies and gentlemen, the NBA is finally back.

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the doctor could not terminate my pregnancy to save my life. Because the life of my daughter was already gone. They were forced to send me home, and then I nearly lost my life. Because the life of my daughter was already gone. They were forced to send me home, and then I nearly lost my life. It's a deadly ban. We have to vote yes on four,

because it's the only way to end the ban. Just in case Halloween wasn't scary enough, imagine being Anya Cook, who we had on Because Miami last year. She was four months pregnant when her water broke and an ER doctor sent her home to die because they feared that they would lose their license or be jailed if they gave her health care, not abortion care, she didn't want abortion. Instead, she delivers her baby, her daughter, stillborn in a public toilet,

and subsequently loses half of the blood in her body, nearly dying. Then they admitted her body, nearly dying. Then they admitted her to the emergency room. This is the kind of draconian shit happening in this free state of Florida, or as I call it, the failed state of Florida, in DeSantis-stan. This is what happens in a Taliban controlled state as well. And this is state sanctioned torture and gender based state sanctioned torture, no less.

So when I say Taliban and you think, oh, Billy. Oh, that's BS. No, totally, totally BS. I defy you to prove me wrong. And in fact, I've been listening to some of Governor DeSantis's, he's been doing these press conferences. He spent over 20 million public dollars so far trying to fight amendments three and four,

the adult use of marijuana legalization amendment and the get the government out of abortion decision amendment, which is amendment four. Vote yes on both, in my opinion, by the way, if you're a small government conservative or libertarian, that is, and you believe in freedom. But DeSantis has been having like these hour long press conferences where he has like these human

traffic cones, like standing behind him in lab coats that I guess there was a run on the Spirit Halloween store clearance sale there for these lab coats. Cause I don't know what kind of doctors they are or do they don't have patients, but also it seems to be some of the same people traveling around with him on the road doing this show. It's absolutely

great. And he says the craziest shit. And his argument to me feel like lies, demagoguery, bad faith, propaganda, Christian nationalism. It's really petrifying. Crystal fascist, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joining us now is Anna Hokemer, council member in Pinecrest, Florida, and executive director of Florida Women's Freedom Coalition. She has been amongst the leaders in the movement to vote yes on amendment four. I watched you debate in a University of Miami classroom the other night, Christina Pasha,

who was the rapid response director for Ron DeSantis's presidential election. Sorry, I chuckle every time. His presidential campaign. At least he tried. But, and she made some of these very same points, you know, talking points that the governor has been making. And if you don't mind, I would like you to now virtually debate Governor Ron DeSantis.

And oh, I can't wait Billy, let's go. Because you not only pronounced my name correctly. But this guy needs to have some truth delivered back at him. It's Kamala and it's Hokomer, right? Do we have that right? That's right. That's how my dad pronounces it. And then Ron DeSantis, as they say. So let's hear. This is a very popular talking point because, Anna, they've

been attacking the wording of the amendment itself, the language which they seem to think is vague and deceptive. And so let's hear this first talking point. You also look at terms like viability. They don't define viability. They say nothing can prohibit, restrict, delay, which basically wipes off all these pro-life protections. But they don't define viability.

And what does that mean? The way they would do it and the way the people proposing this would do it and they will litigate in court on this. They think it's basically past six months. Hi, I buried the lead there too. I should have read the text, which is pretty short and sweet, the amendment to limit government interference with abortion, but I'll let you I know you know it literally by

heart off the top of your head. So we should hear what it says. I think it's pretty clear, but the governor seems to have some reading comprehension issues. Listen, it's 49 words. No law shall prohibit delay restrict access to abortion before viability, or when necessary to protect the patient's health as determined by the patient's healthcare provider. This law, provider. This amendment shall not affect the legislature's constitutional authority to require parental notification before a minor receives abortion services. It's straightforward

and it's clear. First of all, if he doesn't understand what viability is, he should read Florida statute because the term viability has been defined in Florida statute since the early 1970s. It's not only the correct medical term that's in every medical dictionary, it's not only the correct practitioners term, it's the word doctors use when they're trying to figure out what state of a pregnancy is. It is defined in Florida statute as the point at which a fetus can be expected to live outside Sorry, that's that's that's one of my Once fetuses now 19 year olds It is the point at which a fetus can be expected to survive outside

The mother's body through standard medical care that is the definition in Florida law and it's been the definition For 50 years. I suggest you go back, and it's been the definition for 50 years. I suggest he go back and read it. And by the way, in order to get on the ballot, we had to survive scrutiny by the Florida Supreme Court, a Supreme Court almost entirely appointed by that man. And there were two major thresholds we had to get through before the Florida Supreme Court, one of the most conservative state Supreme Courts in this country. The first is that it needed to be single subject.

That's why we've got that second sentence in there that says it doesn't affect the legislature's constitutional authority to require parental notification because there's wording in our constitution granting them that authority and we need to only deal with a single subject. The second thing they have to do is look at our language and determine whether or not our language is vague or misleading. And guess what? The Florida Supreme Court looked at our language and determined it is neither vague nor misleading. The third critique he always makes, which again leads me to believe he's never bothered to read Florida statute, is that he claims that the term healthcare provider is vague.

Healthcare provider is the term used in Florida law. Florida has a patient's bill of rights, right? It's an extensive list of the rights that we as citizens have endowed upon us, right? Under Florida law, the term it uses is healthcare provider. That's the term Florida uses in order to define people who provide us with healthcare. So, I mean, you went through a whole list of euphemisms for lies, but let's just call it the leak. What it is. That whole argument is not only a lie. I prefer to call it bullshit, but you can tweak that out. No, no, it's bullshit. It's bullshit.

Give it a buzz, right? It's bullshit, right? But it's not only bullshit. It's bullshit from somebody who claims to be a Yale educated lawyer, who's the chief executive who's expected to understand our laws, the legislative process by which they become laws and expected to be the protector of our constitution. So every time he gets up there and says that, you know, we should all just turn around and say enough of this BS from this guy. Bullshit. I want to play this clip about the language

on healthcare provider though, specifically. In Florida law, you have to be a licensed physician with respect to abortion. You're not allowed to be involved to do it unless you're a licensed physician. This amendment substitutes instead of physician, healthcare provider. Well, understand there's a lot of healthcare providers

that are not medical doctors. So anyone who can claim to be a healthcare provider, which would be, I mean, honestly, a clerk at Planned Parenthood is technically a healthcare provider if they are involved in this. So you are really making a radical change and how this is appropriate. He is such a f***ing weenie man. I swear to God. I mean come on. Health care provider. Number one, it's the term that's used in Florida law. It's

the term in our patients bill of rights in this state. And number two, there is nothing in this amendment that prevents the state of Florida from licensing healthcare providers. And they are limited by their licensure, by their training, by their medical ethics, by their scope of practice. Listen, a dentist, a DDS is a surgeon, but nobody's claiming that dentists are giving you open-heart surgery, right? Of course. It's surgery, right? But he's not doing it because that's illegal in the state of Florida. So this idea that he doesn't understand how the state of Florida

licenses and regulates the provision of health care, again, let's call it by its name. It's bullshit. The idea that the receptionist at Planned Parenthood or a massage therapist can perform abortions, that is just a f***ing lie. A healthcare provider has to be licensed as to the specific area of education, expertise, ability, license.

I mean, I just, it's so crazy to me. And this idea of parental consent. Let's hear this. This eliminates the right for parents to consent for a minor to have an abortion. That's current law in Florida. If you're a physician, you can't prescribe a Tylenol to a minor without the parent's consent.

That's how it should be. If a parent finds out they're getting stiff done without even knowing or consenting, that's not acceptable. You just read the language, Anna. You just read the language of the amendment. It is explicit that it does not eliminate this, as you said, right, that's already enshrined in the Constitution with respect to parental notification.

But consent is- Amendment four does nothing to affect parental consent for medical procedures on minors in this state. And I wanna, once again, let's understand the basics here, right? We've got the constitution and our constitutional amendment has to only deal with the constitution.

The parental notification laws all come directly and explicitly from the constitution. That's where we say in our amendment, we don't affect the parental notification that the legislature was granted in the constitution. The parental consent is a law that the legislature passed, right? That's under the control of the legislature. His Republican supermajority legislature, they control that. Now, if they want to repeal parental consent, they can, but this is not a self-effectuating issue here. And our amendment will do absolutely nothing to affect parental consent and that law that's on the books.

Also I want to make it clear, Amendment 4 supports parental consent. We believe in it. We want everyone to know we believe in parental consent. What we would really like people to understand is that the thing that takes the knees at a parental consent in Florida is the abortion ban, right? Because right now, if your 10 or 12 or 13-year-old daughter comes to you pregnant, and let's not even think about how a kid that age becomes pregnant

and what kind of consent is involved in that, if I as a parent wanna seek abortion care for my child who's clearly been statutorily raped, violently raped, sexually abused in some way. I cannot, under the Florida abortion ban, I cannot as a parent say no, I want this medical procedure for my minor child. I have been banned from seeking that care for my minor children. So anybody who's really, really hot on this parental consent order needs to understand,

now, now the state has stripped them of their ability to make decisions for their minor children. You know what else takes away parental consent? Rape takes away parental consent. Takes away consent, period. I mean, and I have to, because while we're on the subject of exemptions and parental rights,

because everything is like, you know, it's opposite day when it comes to, you know, naming laws and things, but I want to play this about the so-called exemptions in state law in Florida's abortion ban. Now in Florida, our laws provide exceptions for rape, incest, human trafficking, and when the child has a fatal fetal abnormality that will prevent him and her from surviving,

and you always have the ability for the life and the health of the mother. So Florida law is very clear. There is nothing in the law that would ever prevent a physician from performing life-saving treatment on a mother. Take it away, Anna. Listen, these exceptions are designed to be unusable. This is the whole game that they're playing here. They write a really, really vague law that talks about the life of the mother, about

whether or not her life is in danger. They don't define what that means, right? Does that mean you have to be 25% dead or 50% dead? Do you actually have to have sepsis and be in the ICU before you're dead enough? Actually have access to these exceptions? It doesn't define exactly what it takes for somebody who's been a victim of rape to get the exception. We know of the case here in Florida where somebody ended up a rape victim going to seek

abortion care at seven weeks pregnant. They told her, hey, you got to go and you have to make a police report. You have to, right? You have to go and talk to the police, even though we know about 80% of rape victims never reported for all kinds of reasons. But she did, she went and she made the police report that she had been sexually assaulted, raped, and impregnated. When the clinic called the police department and said, hey, we need that documentation. We need the police report so that we can perform this abortion on this rape victim. They were told, no, no, no, no, no. We've now opened an investigation.

It could take weeks or months to close our investigation and be able to provide you with the paperwork. It's Kafkaesque. So she had, it's Kafkaesque. She had to leave the state in order to get care. The thing people don't understand about this is, this is written in a way to terrify hospitals and doctors into not acting, right?

They don't tell you when it's okay and when it's not okay. They don't define any of it. They make you guess exactly what's gonna comply with the state and hope the state doesn't decide it disagrees with you. And when it disagrees with you as a doctor, you know what happens to you? You're either going to get fined and or convicted of a second or third degree felony and or lose your license in the state of Florida. Now we are all smart enough to understand what happens when doctors and clinics and hospitals are put in that position. They don't perform and they

shouldn't and they shouldn't be in that position. But believe you me, we can't know exactly how many people in Florida have been denied abortion care because they couldn't work these unusable exceptions because they don't keep track. They don't even want to know how many people they are forcing to either carry unviable pregnancies at a risk to their own health or flee the state thousands of miles away to Illinois or North Carolina or Virginia or New York in order to get appropriate medical care. The exceptions bullshit is the biggest load of bullshit

in this entire situation because it's meant to make people feel better about cutting off other people's access to healthcare and helps them feel better, right, about the inhumanity about what they're doing when all the while they are meant to be a bait and switch on the women and families of the state. Also bullshit, of course, is any concept of religious freedom,

or religious exemptions, as different religions, my religion, for example, have very different beliefs, say, from Catholics on the matter of abortion. Because in Judaism, it's all deference to the health and safety of both physical and psychological of the mother. And anyone, it's not the Catholics don't get abortions either. What is the stat? Something like 35%. About 35% of American women who receive abortion care self-identify as Catholic. And by the way, polling is clear that about 60% of self-identified Catholics believe that abortion

should be legal some or most of the time. There is a huge misalignment here between what people and what leadership says in public and what people do in their private lives. All of which is fine. From my perspective, listen, you know, hypocrisy makes the world go round, knock yourself out. do in their private lives, all of which is fine. From my perspective, listen, you know, hypocrisy makes the world go round, knock yourself out. But when your hypocrisy puts

my children, my three daughters, one of them you just saw slinking up and down the stairs there, when your hypocrisy puts my children in danger, that's where we've got to draw the line here. And what people really need to focus on, isn't whether or not these decisions are serious, complicated, nuanced, important. They are all of those things. What people need to focus on here is who gets to make the decision about these serious, complicated,

nuanced situations. I believe it must be the individual patient with her doctor and her family and not be some wackadoo in Tallahassee who hasn't even bothered to read the law and is expected to tell me and my family what we can or cannot do with our bodies. It goes beyond the scope of what is appropriate. Hannah Arendt has this fabulous quote, she's a great political philosopher, if you haven't read Hannah

Arendt, people please do, and she describes totalitarianism as the erasure of the line between what is public and what is private. But that's the moment when you realize you're slipping into a state that has begun to creep into areas that will subsume everyone and everything. When we no longer have that line in the state of Florida, we no longer have control over ourselves, our destinies, and our lives and our health. And we should all, every one of us, no matter how we feel about the actual medical experience of abortion, we should all be sitting up straight and questioning whether this is the way we want to live.

And, Hokemur, we're out of time as we go. I want to say about the so-called right-to-life argument, which is really an anti-choice and pro-death argument, in my opinion. When you hear stories like Anya Cook's, which started this segment, and you see headlines like this this week from the Sun Sentinel. Infants died from birth defects at higher rates

after abortion ban was imposed in Florida. There are not fewer people suffering. There are not fewer babies dying. Abortion bans only make it worse. They deny women and they deny unborn children proper and merciful healthcare. And I wanna thank you for all you've done. Good luck to you, good luck to all of us

next week on Election Day. Vote yes on four. There's no other message here. Take it away. Vote yes on four. Vote yes on four. For every family other message here, take it away. Vote yes on four, vote yes on four. For every family that you love in the state of Florida, please, please, please turn out

because the consequences of not turning out are life and death potentially for every single one of us. ["Dreams of a New World"] Jeremy, you were going to do a game on The Big Show, and you cancelled it? That's right. So I mean, okay, so let me preface this with, I don't know whether or not we would have actually ended up doing it. I was preparing it. We were in discussions to have this conversation and basically start with a few minutes of serious conversation is to explain Some of the things we've already mentioned here, which is that I'm I'm a left-leaning Jewish Cuban

American in South Florida, which is an interesting demographic. Yeah exactly and with that, you know I have a lot of concerns about authoritarianism and fascism as I've grown up learning about it non-stop through multiple parts of what my family is all about and so in turn After seeing some of the rhetoric out of the Trump campaign I then wanted to go from very serious to sort of hijinks silly version of a game called who said it Trump or Hitler Hijinx silly version of a game called who said it Trump or Hitler And obviously with fascism. Yeah fun with fascism The reality is is that the reason I pulled the plug is because over the last week or so and really over the last couple of days

Ironically after our Tim Walls interview. I have been Experiencing some pretty serious anti-Jeremy propaganda on Twitter. A lot of folks. Is this a subgenre of X? It's becoming more and more of a genre. And welcome to the club, brother.

Yeah, and so what I would say is that what's been really interesting about it is a lot of folks from the right wing have gone after things I've said on Twitter before. Not a big surprise, but what's been more interesting is that a lot of fellow Jewish people have reached out to me, whether in my replies or in my DMs, basically saying, you're not a Jew.

Not even just like you're a bad Jew. Just, you're not Jewish. No different than Doug M. Bach. Is it because of the Cuban side? Is it because you're a foreigner? No. Simply because- You're not God's chosen people? Yeah, simply because I support Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.

And they advocate for known anti-Semite, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and all of the things there. And then obviously the deal with a much deeper conversation in Gaza and yeah, squad. And it's all very layered. Hang on, this is, we were talking earlier with Fernando Mande about the polling amongst Cuban Americans and the just insane outside support,

68% presently for Donald Trump amongst that demographic. But amongst Jews, it's been pretty. It's basically flipped. Not only is it flipped, it's basically like 70% support Kamala Harris of American Jewish voters. But it's relatively consistent from four years ago and four years before that, unlike the Cuban vote, which has been slipping and slipping and slipping

once again toward dictatorship. So you're being harassed by a vocal minority. Always. I mean, that's how it works, right? I mean, that's- The loudest people in the room. Yeah. One of the nicest guys ever being

Yeah, not a real Jew, right and obviously like I Rock grew is some yeah That's a good pull. That's a really good pull. Oh Jay Simpson. Not a Jew the the reality the the reality is is it's always a vocal minority and in this case just some pretty nasty stuff being said toward me toward my family toward my wife and The so why'd you cancel the game in part because I just didn't want to deal with more of it and that in itself is so disappointing because so disappoint all I wanted over the last I mean God month Let alone the last week was to be able to use our platform

to be able to talk about some of these things in a very real way. Because I think part of the issue that we have is there are so many people who are hearing all of this and just sort of tuning it out. And understandably, it's loud. It's exhausting. I sometimes say, like, I wish, and this is a,

I don't love the way that this comes across when I say it and so I'm good I'm really looking forward to it. I wish I was uneducated like I wish that I didn't understand or know anything about any of this Well if you are uneducated you would be voting for Trump. Well sure and I ignorance is- Well statistically that's not true Well, ignorance is bliss and I wish that I didn't have to deal with all of this stuff and know as much as I do But growing up a Jewish kid in South Florida going to Hebrew school. I learned a lot about Hitler's rise to power and I think that because the internet gets so exaggerated and there's so much context collapse Going on in the discussions that we have on the internet,

everyone takes sort of everything at face value and then runs it to one extreme or another. And ironically, it's not a very extreme thing to say that Trump's rhetoric is akin to Hitler. And the reality of it is that that is just a fact. And I have a number of examples that I was going to go through in this game. Well, speaking of facts, fact is that almost every single Jewish holiday is a story about overcoming oppression.

Yes, is people who literally wanted to put the Jews into the sea. And the Jews somehow, this tiny minority overcame this oppression and to fight another day, to live another day, and eventually in the United States where, as I mentioned in the earlier segment, we have a tradition of identifying injustice and potential rise of fascism and being on the right side of history, the right side of the civil rights movement,

the right side of history, the right side of the civil rights movement, the right side of all sorts of movements related to injustice and oppression in the United States. And so I think that we should play the game. All right, so right before I get to that, I will say that that in what you just mentioned is part of the disappointment I feel when I have friends who are my age who either have a level of apathy toward all of this

or actually are on the side of Donald Trump because I just don't understand how any Jewish person can see what comes out of this campaign and not understand, especially considering the way that our people have always sort of been on the right side of history when it comes to this because part of what is literally baked into our religion is the Old Testament and the interpretations

that we use within Judaism. I almost said journalism, which is a funny faux pas there as we run the fake Jews media. But the reality of it is that we have long cared about fighting for oppressed and marginalized groups and the disappointment that I feel when I see Jewish folks turn a blind eye to other groups being oppressed because it doesn't directly impact them is devastating here amongst Jewish Americans. And again, it's a small minority

as compared to maybe some other groups where that's happening. But to me, especially when I see folks who are my age not understanding that, it's devastating. But I can go to some questions. I do wanna say, though, however, also in terms of hope on the horizon, in that FIU poll about the Cuban vote,

what they did find is that Kamala Harris is competitive with second generation or more Cuban immigrants, trailing Trump just 46% to 44%, as opposed to 68% to 23%. Now, mind you, there is no hope if we give up democracy to a man who says he's going to be a dictator, but there could be hope generationally speaking. I love your silver lining.

So let's get into this. Is it Trump or is it Hitler? All right. Fun with fascists. One or the other. So which one said that they have a need to root out the vermin of the country? Oh, Trump or Hitler.

Which one, Trump or Hitler? Well I mean Hitler obviously. I'm sorry Billy the answer is both. From Hitler in Mein Kampf quote the German state is intensely overrun by Marxism I have the right to root out millions of an inferior race that breed like vermin and of course Donald Trump said we pledge to you that we will root out the communist Marxist fascist and the radical left thugs that live like vermin and of course Donald Trump said we pledge to you that we will root out the communist Marxist fascist and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country and I understand my comp is the only book that Donald Trump had by his his bedside yeah that's about right reports okay number two which one of them has referenced immigrants or the

opposition poisoning the blood of the country? Well, Trump, obviously. Actually, Billy, the answer is both. Of course, Donald Trump said, they're poisoning the blood of our country. That's what they've done. And then of course, it's the blood of our country. What they're doing is destroying our country. And from Hitler, the peoples will have to atone

for the sins of this worldwide poisoning with their blood. I know we we're only two in but I feel like I see where this is going I'm gonna let I'm gonna let Roy answer the next one which one Trump or Hitler compared the opposition to animals Oh, I know one of them compared the opposition to eating animals I know one of them looks like an animal in orangutan. Oh have to say Trump. Oh sorry the answer is both. Trump says no they're not humans they're not humans they're animals of immigrants in this country and of course Hitler said an opponent which consists not of human beings but of animals of the Jews. Which one said that the minority that they were against is erasing your culture,

Trump or Hitler? Hitler, obviously. No, it was Trump. Oh, I'm sorry guys. You're both right. The answer is both. Oh, we're both right. What do we win? Of course, Hitler, quote, in every mingling of Aryan blood with that of the lower peoples, the result was the end of the cultured with that of the lower peoples, the result was

the end of the cultured people. And then Donald Trump, you got to get these people back where they came from. You have no choice. You're going to lose your culture. You're going to lose your country. Which one has painted themselves as retribution for where the country has gone? Hitler or Trump? Well, Trump said, I am your retribution. Ah. Like he judged

dread or something. That's true. Yes. But the answer is both Billy. I definitely see where this is going. Trump's quote I am your retribution and Hitler's quote the hour of retribution will come. Which of Trump or Hitler, which of the two of them referred to the opposition as scum and the enemy within? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Donald Trump. Ooh, sorry, the answer is both. Wow, man. Obviously we know Donald Trump's quote, the threat from outside forces is far less sinister dangerous

Engraved than the threat from within our threat is from within It's the enemy from within all the scum we have to deal with that hate our country And then there's Adolf Hitler who said this scum of the nation Da da da, but we can already see how our racial peoples, which are today still hostile to us, will one day recognize the greater inner enemy. What's the score so far? How are we doing? We're doing both on both. Yeah, both on both. Zero. Which wanted to create some violent imagery for how to handle deportation and even advocated for a single day of violence.

The purge. Though that was Trump. Donald Trump basically said there should be a purge day. You say that, Billy. But I hate to tell you, the answer is both. Of course, Hitler said we need to wrestle the Jewish world enemy to the ground. They are living off the body and productive work of other nations.

And then we know, and those of you who don't know about it, just look up Kristallnacht and find out what that is after you listen to this quote from Donald Trump in which he says of immigrants, getting them out will be a bloody story. If you come back, you will be executed. And then he said, we have to let the police do their job. And if they have to be extraordinarily rough, if you had one really violent day, one rough hour,

and I mean real rough, the word will get out and it will end immediately. Police immunity. How many more of these questions are there? This will be the final one for you, Billy. Jesus Christ, this is fucking morbid. And this is gonna be tough. This guy is a past and potentially future president of the United States.

Tough answer here for you. I don't think Barack Obama ever quoted Hitler. I don't think George W. Bush ever quoted Hitler. Which of the two started their campaign for presidency with the goal of mass deportation? Pretty simple. Both. Billy, you're right, it's both. Yes!

Hey, you got right, it's both. Yes! Hey, you got one! All right! And just so we know, just so we all can think about it, and this one's important, you look at these Trump rallies and they have signs that say mass deportation now. There are reports that in Project 2025, there is a proposed 700,000 holders of temporary protected status, 500,000 Dreamers, 175,000 Ukrainians who will lose legal protections and quote, push them out of status of the country.

Unquote. This is also potential for Afghanis, Venezuelans, Haitians. And of course, as we mentioned at the beginning of this, Cubans, you know, and then just to wrap things up here for you, the goal of the Nazi regime initially was mass deportation. The problem became, and Billy, you mentioned earlier, the idea of camps, logistically it was tough. So they designed camps and ultimately, you know, they gassed people to death in those camps.

I heard about that. On day one of the previous Trump administration, of course, his first official act was a Muslim ban. And I have friends who are attorneys who happen to be Jewish in New York, who immediately went to JFK airport and LaGuardia airport. Cause you remember there was like instant chaos because people were just stranded in a, you know,

Tom Hanks terminal like a purgatory and lawyers particularly like Jewish friends that I have were jumping into action to protect Muslim immigrants, tourists, people who found themselves in this bizarre netherworld of this just insane racist policy. Part of the reason I bring all of this up right is I already talked about how crazy the weather is.

Oh, well, just for funsies. Yeah, just for fun. Obviously this is a lot of fun to talk about. Your DMs are gonna be so hot tonight. I'm having a blast. Look, I don't know the politics of the listening audience of this podcast.

My assumption is that there are not a ton of all out Trump supporters who are listening to us right now. But the reality is, is I'm not talking to that group in this moment when I make this plea. I'm not talking to the folks who have already voted for Harris Walls or are planning to because there's an understanding there. There are two groups of people who I would

love to try to hear this message. That is the group to the left of me, which some of you are listening and going, there are people to the left of you. But to the people who are to the left of me who have become single issue voters on Gaza, and don't feel that Kamala Harris, the Biden administration has been strong enough on what's going on in Gaza and that again could be a deeper conversation that we could have another time.

Look at the alternative. Look at the alternative, please. Look at someone who instituted a Muslim ban on day one, who is buddy buddy with Netanyahu. Who told him do what you've got to do, which is actually do whatever you want to do. And we already know His son-in-law is already on the record going. Wow, that's some damn fine waterfront property in Gaza We could build some condos on boy. He's only been in Miami for how long and already he's like the consummate real estate Well, and when you look at that and and you look at I would just say and I'm lifting this straight from Alexandria Acasio-Cortez, but it's essentially,

when you're trying to get something done from the progressive side of things here, I would beg you, whether it's on Gaza or anything else, who would you prefer to be your quote unquote adversary in the White House? Because if you're looking at it as the lesser of two evils or both of them stink in your mind or whatever, just think about, do you want to have to try

to get something done under a Trump presidency or do you want to try to get something done under a Harris presidency? And I think the answer is pretty obvious. Yeah, and I will say that Biden clearly is running a sophisticated operation with respect to foreign policy and very clearly He has gotten the message in Netanyahu that it's time to tamp this shit down as evidenced by the Iran operation Which was a total like it was a bust by design

Everybody sort of like it barely happened everybody ignored it like it didn't happen because he said you got to quit this dumb shit and We know what the message from Trump has been which is do whatever the hell you want My closing argument is pretty simple in the words of P. Diddy vote or die Pass the baby oil And pass the baby oil and I think Okay, I think we're gonna ruin it. I think better than that We're gonna leave you with a Miami moment. I get a closing argument from my favorite uncle uncle Luke

Miami's poet laureate Cocaines. Yo, what's up? This is your boy uncle Luke. I gotta say this about this election This election is very important people. I know some of you all are thinking about not voting You gotta get your ass out there and vote. This shit serious. We're voting against some orange-haired man. And a lot of other things that's on the ballot, ladies and gentlemen, you got to get your ass out there

and vote, and for you Negroes who are out there talking that dumb shit about don't vote for this black woman because of this and that and all these other things, you are the stupidest mother****** on earth. Stop playing yourself. Project 2025. What the **** is this man going to do? Close the Department of Education?

Who does that affect, dummies? That money goes toward schools that are in blanket areas. I work at one. You got Kamala Harris and y'all talk about **** with this orange head, man. I feel like government should tell women what to do with their body. That is some bullshit. And then he send his cronies out there on the stage

to sell all that racist shit. Oh, he meant it when he said Haiti was a shithole of a country when he was the president and then double down and came back and then said, H is E cats. This man is a racist. Some of you dumb mother f**kers out there think this man gave you a check.

It was Nancy Pelosi, Congress. I'm sick of you mother f**kers. Get your mother f**king ass out there and vote, God damn it. And I want to hear this black man talking about, oh, I ain't supporting no black woman shit. You been not supporting black women all that f**king life. It's about time you stand your God damn ass up and support black women all your life. It's about time you stand your god damn ass up and support black women.

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