The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Football’s New Evolution: Why Star Centers & TEs Rule the Modern Game

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

Former NFL Lineman Geoff Schwartz joins the show to tell the story of how his wedding day landed on the same day as legal tampering. How he was with his groomsmen, readying to walk the aisle while making the decision to join the NY Giants. Then Geoff gives his thoughts on why having a star center and star tight end is the latest chapter in the continuing evolution of professional football. He says it's in response to the plethora of incredible pass rushers. He adds that all the talk about how hard it is on the players to move is ridiculous. You're rich. You're fine. Then Director Bryan Bishop stops by to chat the Academy Awards. His documentary, Growth, is a must watch. He says One Battle After Another is a lock, and thinks that the drop off of Hamnet is for the best. As Vince Lombardi once said, "It ain't bragging if you done it." Dave Dameshek and the gang did just that on this episode of Football America! (NOTE: This episode was recorded before the Kyler Murray trade to the Vikings.) AUDIO Football America! is available wherever you listen to podcasts. Leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/football-america/id1831757512 Follow us: Dave Dameshek: https://x.com/dameshek Geoff Schwartz: https://x.com/geoffschwartz Host: Dave Dameshek Guests: Geoff Schwartz Team: Gino Fuentes, Ethan Bedowsky Director: Danny Benitez Senior Producers: Gino Fuentes, Mike Fuentes Executive Producer: Soup Campbell Arizona Cardinals, Atlanta Falcons, Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers, Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers, Los Angeles Rams, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, New York Giants, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Francisco 49ers, Seattle Seahawks, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tennessee Titans, Washington Commanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Coming up, we've got Jeff Schwartz on free agency and bald Brian Bishop on the Oscars. But first, for all the obsessive professional evaluation of football players, measuring them every way possible, making the right draft pick is still just a coin flip, and that's because there remains no good measure for how a player's going to perform under pressure. But, of course, coming through under pressure isn't about rising to some better version of your standard self. Instead, it's just about being able to perform exactly the same with the weight of the world on your shoulders and the clock against you. I agree life is 10% of what happens to you and 90% of how you react to it, but you just don't know what that reaction's going to be till you're in it. Well, let it be known to

all, my pal, the reigning champ of our fantasy league, plus handicapped golfer, professional grade funny man, handsome enough to make all the ladies swoon, comfy in his own skin like no one else. The guy we call the Dutch mook, Paul cohorst, is good under pressure, and I don't just mean in how he's dealing with the return of his cancer. For once, I'm not saying this just to be cute. There is a difference between just surviving and really living. Let me tell you something. Time's a motherfucking bully. It never lets anybody else win. So I guess all we can do is what Paul's done. Live! When I caught him just a few days ago, he said he was headed into surgery and asked for good luck, said it wasn't a slam dunk he'd even make it through. We can agree that's a pressure-packed moment, right?

heavy shit and here's the photo he sent along with it thumbs down sticking his tongue out at cancer i don't know i just thought this was great defining even stiff upper lip fat not glib enough for the dutch mook this was silly unbothered quintessentially who he is i've always told my kids being cool in a movie does not translate to being cool in real life strong silent type might play on the big screen but here at the bar you just seem like a dullard. And unfortunately for me, just being loud doesn't get it done either. The MOOC, now he's real life cool and not with an on-off switch, funny and disarming and kind to everybody.

Well, except for Randy who he kicks out of the fantasy league anytime he wins, but still, charming, warm. More though, he's always struck me as unburdened, unburdened by the kind of vain crap most of us worry about. But of course he is bothered. He wants more time, more time so he can show up. up to our fantasy draft, he just won again so per league rules he can kick someone out of the league. He wants to see his Niners and Ducks finally get over the hump. He wants more time playing

golf with his spectacular wife Molly and the fancy new clubs he bought with his fantasy league winnings. His fight is admirable, but it's too easy to turn over the entirety of his life to that fight that it give too much credit to Times cruel henchmen called cancer. What's more striking to me, under the most pressure a person could possibly face, he stayed the same. He hasn't let this situation define him. He's defined how to handle it. He hasn't just survived. He's lived.

So that's why I want to say to you, Moog, you did it. You've won. And I got more good news. The Niners are winning Super Bowl 61, and the Ducks are winning the next national championship. So up yours, time, cancer, and those goddamn pristine golf clubs too. I'll follow my pals lead and give you all a thumbs down,

but you deserve much worse. Meantime, I may not be cool, but I know what cool looks like, thanks to my pal. I don't know how I'll do when I'm under the same sort of pressure he is now, but I now know how a man deals with it. Here's to you, Paul cohorst, as good a man as I'll ever know. Let's start the show. Yes, hi and hello, my fellow football Americans. Welcome to Football America. We're presented as ever by our pals over at Draft Kings. We've got Jeff Schwartz coming up to talk some NFL free agency. Our paled Brian on the Oscars. In the meantime, reminder and thanks,

Subscribe on YouTube to Football America, wherever you find your audio podcast. Spread the good word. Won't you be a patriotic American? Real quick, before we jump into all of that, it is episode number 55. And as ever, it's time for Gino Fentes to tell us who the greatest number 55 in sports history is. Take it away, Gino Fenthe. We've got a loaded number here, Dave. We got a bunch of linebackers.

We got junior sale, Derek Brooks, Matt Millen. We got Joey Porter, Lance Briggs, Brandon Graham, if you want to throw a pass rusher in there. You can go over to baseball if you want. You're throwing Lance Briggs in. All right. If we can go over to baseball, Oral Hirschizer, Cal Rally just hit 60 home runs at the catcher position. We got some, we got the Kimbea-Mittombo. White chocolate is in here as well.

And I think we got some. I'm just doing the finger. That's not doing the finger. You ever working TV before? We've got some more in hockey. We're approaching hockey numbers now. Yeah. I was thinking about that the other day.

I'm like, once we get to the 60s, we're still on offensive line, 70s offensive line. Now when I was growing up, I mean, Gretzky, Gretzky was stood out with the. 99 and then in the ballsyest move, not enough praise given to it. The next Gretzky was supposed to be Mario Lemieux, so he turned his number upside down. That's sort of like, I'll own it. I'll own this. Speaking to the Penguins, Larry Murphy, Hall of Famer, Sergey Gonchar, two of the great

power play point guys that we've ever seen in the sport of hockey. Who gets the award though, Gino? Is it Oral Hersheiser? I think Junior Say-O-M-M-A-L-M-Me? I'm going to go Derek Brooks out of this list. You might be right. Just the preference. Although what Hersheiser did with that earned run inning streak is really crazy.

It's one of those ones that I think is when people do most unbreakable records, I think people forget about that one. What is it? I don't even remember how many innings it is. I think it was up to 50 something. No, I don't think we got that big, did it? Anyway, all right, let's talk some pro football free agency with a guy who we haven't kibbized with in a little while. Our guy, Jeff Schwartz.

All right, let's dive into it with our pal from Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you in Fox Sports. It's Jeff Schwartz. How are you, fella? Long time, no, see, it's been three weeks since football season ended. And that's in the rearview mirror. So we're on the free agency. First question for you, Jeff Schwartz, is how did you eat during free agency when you were out there in the market? Did you eat well?

Okay. So I don't think I've told the story here, but I've certainly told it in my podcast. the day of legal tampering for my big deal with the Giants, which March 8th, 2014, that was the day of the window opened up. I signed two days later. March 8th, 2014 is also a day of my wedding. So legal tampering opened up the same day as my wedding did. And so we were having an out of-

anniversary. You're actually getting married. I got married that day, yes. So the morning of the wedding, we had an out-of-a- town brunch at my parents' house. So we had white fish, smoke salmon, like the whole, the whole Jewish deal, right? Like bagels, locks, white fish, like all the goodies. And my agent, Derek Gilmore, fielded calls at 9 a.m. Pacific. That's when the legal tamar group opened up at like 10 a.m. We had a family meeting in the living room. Me, my brother, my dad, Derek, and my uncle,

my wife was with her bridesmaids over at the hotel. She couldn't attend because you can't see her. Correct. Correct. And so, yeah, that's when we sort of figured out. I was going to the Giants that morning up. So I ate a good day of my free agency. And then I flew to New York a couple days later, ended up, we went to Smith and Walenskies. It was good. Wow. So you did some white fish while you're talking about. No, no, actual white fish. No, like the white fish, like the actual like fish. You just crumbled up and put it on your bagel. It's so good. It's a it's not an all the time thing. I'm bagel and locks guy. But like big old white fish for a changeup every now and then, delicious. Well, handsome Hank Hodgson had a savvy observation years ago, and I remember him telling you about it. If you're going to be a free agent, make sure you go all over football American, eat on the dime of as many pro football teams that are courting you as possible,

and then make your decision, right? It sounds like you didn't do that. Well, in this situation, I did not. But the previous year, I went to three different visits. Kansas City we got we got some Joe's They gave me a rack of ribs for at Joe's That was nice But I wasn't like good enough

To go to the nice meals I remember went to Minnesota They like catered in lunch You know like Like like with the Giants I was like the four year deal It was a big deal Like I was like making money

So it took me to Smith of Walenties Like me and then J.D. Walton And who else was there on that visit But it depends on level of phrase With the chiefs I was a third wave free agent So I was getting the Oklahoma Joe's And bring it back to the hotel room

You don't get the Michelin restaurants No, no Well you eat this guy's going to eat a lot Let's take them to it all you can eat I think that's our best thing It's just level of like For agent you are like the guys that signed This week like right away

They're going to steakhouse And they show up right Second wave guys They're like they're probably getting like a lunch in Like I had The first thing in Kansas City It's like a third wave guy guy. I got a rack a rack of ribs. I still have the picture. It's in like in the parchment paper from

Joe's. I was Oklahoma Joe's back then. It was delicious. I just ate a rack of ribs by myself the hotel room. Well, send it over so your fellow football Americans can see what you're talking about. In the meantime, you mentioned Kansas City. And let's cut to the chase now several days into this thing. As we sit here, is it still for all the noise about what this team and that is doing in the AFC? And even though, only Baltimore made, I mean, only the bills made the playoffs a year ago. Is it still KC, Baltimore, and Buffalo and everybody else in the AFC? I'm a big fan of sort of, you know, until proven otherwise, Dave, right?

Like, until proven otherwise, that feels like the group. Now, of course, New England fans will be upset. They're not included in this, right? They just made a Super Bowl. But I think we all, I mean, their win total, I think it's nine to half. Like, people look at them and what happened last year and harder to schedule. And again, I think the Super Bowl exposed like goods core-ish, but they, They need better players overall, right, to get to where they want to be.

You know, people want to throw the chargers in there and the Broncos and sort of these teams that feel like they're getting close. But they're sort of not there yet, right? The Chiefs, we know we're there. But to be fair, really, Baltimore and Buffalo have a Mr. Bowl, right? Are they included? It's Cincinnati included in this, right? We know when girls healthy. I mean, at the time of this recording, what's Cincinnati done?

I thought the craziest one of all. I mean, everybody can sing songs about Mike Evans, makes all the sense in the world. I kind of like even if it is an overpay what Buffalo's doing. and at least they recognize the moment that they're in in time. They've got to make something happen here. But the Javon Hargrave is released. Why aren't the bungles all over that? You need to figure out the defense.

Why don't you hear anything about that? That to me is that they've just completely, or is it just that Joe Burrow in demanding that, you know, as much as he can from the player level, that he needs his past catchers, and he has him, did that just corrupt the ability to build a full roster? Potentially, I don't know what their catch situation is with Hargrave. You would think they just go off to everyone, right?

You think they just would do that? And maybe they just don't feel comfortable taking shots at everyone. It's not what the Bengals have always done. You know, let's just be average on defense with their offense, absolutely. But you would argue that they have this window with Joe Burrow. They might as well attack it now, right? and get as many assets as you can to the party. And they're in the draft two at 10,

where they're probably never, they're not assured to get any of those pass rushers, right? The top three guys are probably gone before 10. Now, you're going to get someone to improve their defense, but it's not going to be one of those pass rushers. So, I mean, you would think a lot of teams would try to go off for these guys, but there's reasons why, right, contractually, schematically. You know, maybe the personalities don't fit,

and maybe they're injured, you know, the Crosby thing, right? Like our knee is worse than we think, which I think that's still a little bit of a farce. Oh, we're getting to that when we get to the jerk list. Yeah, so there's many reasons why these teams don't go after that, but I'm with you. Sometimes I wonder like, wait, you need a pass rush. Here's a pass rush.

You know, go get them. I mean, anybody. I mean, Chase anybody, if you're the Cincinnati Bengals. You're making yourself a non-factor, or like I say, maybe Joe Burrow in his desire to keep the greatest offense or to keep himself comfy with a high-end offense really did cost his, cost himself a chance at a Super Bowl run here. Anyway, what is, before we get to this jerk list, you know, the league keeps updating in what you need. What's the next chapter in pro football evolution?

It was 25 years ago or more. Run the ball and always and forever. Defense wins championships. And then somewhere around the turn of the millennium, QB became everything. And then running backs don't matter. but now they do matter again. And edge rush is essential, and so too is a great left tackle. And now interior defensive linemen who can create pressure is a must-have if you want to be a contender. Are any of those things no longer truly essential and or what is the next evolution of must-have? Well, I think we're currently one of them, which is the wide receiver, right? It feels like these wide receivers are so valuable to these teams.

I don't remember being the case, Dave, 15 years ago. Like, you felt like you had, like these guys are... You're exactly right. Until Cooper Cup and Tyree Kill, no high-end number one Hall of Fame-bound wide receiver was essential for any Super Bowl contender this millennium. It feels like wide receiver is that. But again, to be fair, like, you know, the Patriots and Chiefs,

besides the first one with Hill, like, they haven't had the best wide receivers where they've won Super Bowls. But I think, maybe we're three years late to this take, but every great offense besides quarterback has two things, okay? A center and a tight end.

A center and a tight end. And even if you look back to like the best quarterbacks, they typically have had the same center most of their career. Like they had the one guy who just is there. We saw what the Raiders just did, right? They went and got Linderbompe to pair with Mendoza, even the Bears, right? Dahlman retires.

We need a veteran, Bradbury, boom. done. Like, it feels like that position is getting a little more love now. And then, of course, with the evolution of the tight end, teams have already in that direction, but it does feel like you can't be a good offense, let's have a good tight end. It just can't happen. The mismatch is so important there for that position. So center and tight end feel like at least positionally, the two positions that teams might be focusing a little bit more. I think schematically, it's just more of like that, you know, how do we defeat the too high if you're the offense, right? Because too high defense is now like the whole crazy. And,

Of course, everyone's going to watch Seattle and try to be Seattle, right? We're going to try to be a defense that just interchangeable parts. We move. And I thought there was a really fascinating clip. Kurt Cousin spoke after the Super Bowl about Seattle. And they're doing like basically for a long time, defense is rotated at the snap. At the snap, the safety's moved, right? And Cousins like, I don't really do that.

Like they wait until like you throw the ball to move. And so the evolution of maybe defensively just like let's move a little bit. later sort of copying Seattle. But I think personnel-wise, it's center and tight end. Boy, that's so interesting. And I hate to invoke chess match, but it really does sound like center when it was all about the tackles offensively and then interior pressure. Like even Tom Brady can't deal with it.

And now it feels like, so the interior offensive linemen have gained importance as a result of all that. Fascinating. Well, interior offensive line would get importance because these past rushers are so good now. I mean, I talk about this all the time, Dave. When I was coming up and when I played early in my career, you had one defensive end, typically. You had like the pass rush end and you had like the run stopping end, right? The run stopping end played over the right tackle typically and the pass rush over the left tackle.

And you might have had like one interior defense alignment that could rush the passer, but they were typically bigger guys, right? Like they were just, you know, like a Kevin Williams type, right? Like a good pass rusher, but just a bigger guy. Like he probably would be a different player in today's era. And then all of a sudden, like, 2013, 2014, it just sort of flipped where, like, interior guys just got much better. You had two pass rushers. Now you have eight pass rushers.

Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox and Camp Hayward. Right. And even like Cam Jordan, like, I mean, all these guys like these. And now you have it where like you have eight pass rushers. And so these offensive line has got to be better protecting the past. And the interior pressure, you mentioned Donald and these guys. So now guard pass protection so much more important. When I came up, and it's not that long ago,

those guards were like big old mauling, run blocking guys. I mean, you remember, you know, your Pittsburgh series offense alignment. Like those guys were just like those big, strong, malling types. Obviously, Fanica can play in any era. But some of those guys now, like, they couldn't move. They couldn't move now, right? You can't play that position anymore in the same way you used to play it back then.

So, you know, the game just evolves year after year. I love the idea. to go back nine minutes or whatever. I love the idea who you, it's very clear from anybody who follows Jeff Schwartz on social media that his wife is definitely running everything that happens out of their Manson in Charlotte, North Carolina. I love the idea that she was left out of where she's going to live next conversation.

Why? What do you mean? I mean, she had no opinion on where you go as a free agent. Well, sorry, can't see you on wedding day. I'll let you know how it all turns out when I see you up there in front of the rabbi. I chose the giants. So. And I do.

So she tells people that I was broken jobless on our wedding day. She saved you. Now, to be fair, I didn't have my big, big contract until that day. Like you know, the second contract, the mythical second contract. I had made money, but it wasn't going to be a lifetime of money until I got paid on that day. I think she had no idea. Like it was the Giants in the Rams, essentially, and the Rams were in St. Louis then. I think it's a lot easier to sell the Giants and the Rams.

Hey, hon, listen, man, after this wedding, we're going to St. Louis, okay? Versus, hey, after the wedding. I was like, L.A.? That would be great. Oh, no, St. Louis. And it was like, no, the Giants are much easier to sell, obviously. We did a great time in New York. She was pregnant, too.

So, like, a lot of moving parts, all the ones. I will say this, though. She was pregnant, but you weren't even married yet. How's that possible? It's impossible, actually. Both have to spend it to my kids one day. It's going to be a fun discussion. Swing by my place afterwards.

I see this, some of my family is different. I see this thing where, like, NFL, former NFL players kind of this time of year, like, guys, think about how hard this is of the families. They have to move. And they have to, I'm like, can we, like, can we not? Like, we make a lot of money. It's easier when it's $15 million helping you in the moon.

Yeah. Like, I know. I know getting a new school. I've done it. I've done all this. Now my kids were younger, but like I've done it. I've done the,

if I do daycare and finding new friends and but like, I just think it's not a topic that's really, like is the average person like, man, that that poor $7 million a year player, his family has to move. Right. Like, yes, there are hardships with all those things.

It's not easy to like, but like I just feel like it's not a topic, especially today, like, that's worth really exploring. I hate, All right, friend. Great empathy from you. People do that. The average person doesn't want to hear how hard it is for the multimillionaire. Like I just, I see this all the time. I'm like, yeah, yes, yes, yes. It's not easy to move. And find new friends and find new doctors and all this stuff. But right now, like, today we're talking about it today with everything's happening like in our country. That's what we're doing today.

I just want to make that clear. I don't feel sorry for players having to move and for agency. clear non-jerk Jeff Schwartz, Dave Damashek, obviously society's great at them, empath. We do the jerk list here, and for anybody who is not up to speed on it, the Fuentes boys are going to make a statement, and Jeff and I will evaluate whether it's a knee-jerk reaction given new information or whether or not it's perfectly logical. Take it away. I don't know who's up first here. Mike Fuentes, Gino-Fentes. How say you? out of guard. Whoa! Take that, jerks! The NFL is considering creating a Thanksgiving Eve game,

and it might be too much. Jeff Schwartz, how say you? So the jerk will be the NFL here, this situation? If they create a Wednesday night thing. Yeah, I mean, they're probably jerks for that. Yeah. We'd watch it. I'd watch it.

But like Wednesday night, we typically get a Christmas tree. We go to dinner. Like, we sort of have a family night. and I don't feel there's I mean there might be like a random you know basketball game or some lower conference football game on like I'm I might tune into it but like that's sort of like a non-sports

night like you just like accept like we're going to watch sports for the next five days in a row for hours on end look I'm gonna watch I'll watch it Dave well why I won't watch it I'll bet on it I'm sure all that stuff but it feels like they're a jerk for doing that right it's it's the it's the crack deal like it's get out of here man

You've got to leave me alone. I'm trying to have a life. Getting me hooked on this stuff already. Already I'm hooked on this. And I don't like Wednesday night because, you know, it already belongs to Pittsburgh Penguins fans. The Penguins always play a home game that night. But beyond that, it's the start of Shecker season. It is the greatest stretch on the calendar every single year.

And as I always say, Thanksgiving is the best holiday because it's merely the start of the holiday season. It's sort of like knowing you have a three-day weekend with money. day off and Thursday night, the Thursday night before, is the best day of that window because it's all still in front of you. That's like Wednesday Eve. When that hits, you're on easy street until New Year's Day, at least, you know, booze and parties and you may show up to work. You may not. Food, food and more food. We don't need football on top of it. Let's not Gild de Lilly here. Next up. If you're a Kyler Murray,

The Viking situation is better than Pittsburgh's. Explain this one to me, Jeff Schwartz. I don't get it. Why is it just assumed that? What? You need that explained? You need that explained? A better situation for a quarterback?

You need that part explained than Pittsburgh? Come on. Yeah, I do need it. Come on, Dave. You're ridiculous. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, Dave, this is for you. I love so further explain.

No, no, no, no. You don't get the, you know, you know, the Steelers made the play. They won their division. Yeah, Justin Jefferson is in Minnesota. I'm sorry. That's better for a quarter. They have a good player in Minnesota. I think it's more about,

I think it's more about just Kevin O'Connell being a really good offensive coach and like getting the opportunity to work with him who's done wonders for everyone, except Patricia McCarthy, it appears. Unless you, DJ, McCarthy. McCarthy being like the meme that everyone uses. I saw one for Team Mexico last night from WBC.

Like, it's so messed up. Ginger McCarthy is like this meme now. And anyone anytime plays bad. They put his face on their jersey because in the locker room. that situation. I think it's a convenient target, by the way. He's played like two and a half quarters in the NFL.

I think he started six games. Yeah, well, according to NFL media, all you need is six games over four years and you become the trendiest quarterback to ever sign a contract for the Miami Dolphin. Somehow, you know, he's the Malik Willis going to be great. You know, everyone just knows it. It's going to be great. I want to start six games, Dave. But I also get that you have to take some swings, especially when you fall into

desperate time. I think at least the dolphins are trying. And to me, the Steelers aren't trying because to get in your way before you fully dig in here on it, the reason that Kyler Murray is not in play for Pittsburgh is because I think that everybody involved

already knows Rogers and the Steelers had a commitment weeks, if not months ago. How say you? I didn't even know Kyle Murray and the Steelers was a thing. It's not a thing because they know that he can't go there. I already know Rogers is there. Oh, you want to make it a thing. Oh, exactly.

I wish you were a thing. He's better than the options you have now, but I think the assumption is that because of Kevin O'Connell's success in that offense that Murray would prefer to play there than in Pittsburgh. I mean, I don't know why that would be. I mean, the KOC's offense to my eye, and I'll defer to you, to my, you're the one who does the spoon X and O breakdowns, not me. But it sure looks to me like what KOC's,

optimally would have at QB is a distributor. Stand in the pocket, get the ball quick, you know, some play action. But intermediate throws, short throws, don't do anything too dynamic. That's not what we're looking to do. Versus Mike McCarthy optimally, that offense, and you have to go way back to check it out. But when he had Aaron Rogers in his prime, Rogers was lethal on a level that few, if any, guys have ever been. I totally forgot McCarthy's there. That makes it worse.

Like, I can have Justin Jefferson and O'Connell, or I can have McCarthy and Rico Doudal. Rico Doudal. I do like him, too, but God. They have met Calf and Pittman now. That's not a bummed. Oh, the Pettman. I think that sort of the stigma of the Steelers. Do you think Michael Pittman is an afterthought?

No, no, I like Michael Pittman, and I will go to my grave defending Michael Pimpman because everybody said he was washed, and I'm like, it's not his fault. Anthony Richardson and guys like that, you know, in Indiana. Any year that he hasn't had Anthony Richardson, he's been great. Yeah, he's been like a hundred catch guy whenever he didn't have Anthony Richardson. He was cursed with Anthony Richardson. But by the way, but but Schwartz, correct me if I'm wrong. When I watch Rogers in his prime and I was swooning a decade plus ago,

watching Aaron Rogers, man, he would the, I mean, fundamental to that Packers offense was those boot rollouts. And he would kill people on the edge like that. He would like, if you gave him a split second of space, he would kill you with his leg. Or when he was out on the edge, because defenders were consumed with not letting him run, he would kill you throw in the ball rolling out. He can't do that anymore. Kyla Murray can do that.

What am I missing here? Well, that would not be part of a McCarthy offense now, right, in some of those design rollouts. And some of that was Rogers doing his own thing. I mean, very famously that throw he made in Dallas in the playoff game, where he rolled to his left. Like, that was just him doing that. He told, I mean, not him doing that. It was a called play, but that was a practice play where left tackle gets beat inside and you pin him inside. You roll out.

You make that play. I think he's offense has a stigma of not being as good as the time he was with Green Bay. Even though in Dallas, it was fine. I mean, when DAC was healthy, they were really good on offense. So I think that's probably why. and you look at the Minnesota. Does Minnesota want, what,

Kyleor Murray, if they're not going to sign him. Well, here's the other thing with that. Isn't Kyler Murray, whether KOC might have a egg on his face right now with J.J. McCarthy and maybe like Carmen Vitale

said last week on Football America, the dismissal of the GM indicates that they are as a franchise embarrassed by and want to move away from J.J. McCarthy. But K, but KOC also had a hand and liked J.J. Isn't he incentive to see that work?

And if Kyler has a bad game or two with Minnesota, isn't he going to be incented KOC to try and jam J.J. McCarthy in there and make him a factor? Isn't there some competition there? This is why I just don't think he's going to Minnesota. Like, are you just done with McCarthy? And you know, now remember, they haven't hired new general manager yet. They have, they have promoted someone from within. They're going to hire someone after the draft.

But like, I'm just sure he's just not going to play Kyler Murray. that's the thing as like I mean not Colin Murray McCarthy is just giving up a McCarthy right now six games that's all he started now maybe he's that bad I don't think he's that that bad just never say never again if Colin Murray's brought in he's brought in to start right

so like that's why I think from Minnesota it doesn't make sense for me where Pittsburgh he'd just be the starter immediately well then you know what the math is for me on that like I said I suspect that everybody involved knows Rogers is going to Pittsburgh and that's why they are self-imposed even though I think it's a foolish thing to do. But question, what question?

Why not quit on J.J. McCarthy? Like, have you seen other guys quit? Well, they do. If they do... He's already resurrected one quarterback. Why not do it for Kyle Murray? He would do it for Cala Murray. He would do it for Cala Murray. He'd send J.J. McCarthy to Pittsburgh. That's fine. That would be fine with me.

I know people wouldn't like it in Pittsburgh, but I'd be cool with it because you've got to keep taking swings. You know what with McCarthy? At least you have hope over Rogers. Because you know what Rogers is, like you say all the time. McCarthy, there's still question marks and maybe they work out. You know you're not going to the Super Bowl. He just won 10 games. They're not going to the Super Bowl with a 43-year-old man.

All right. Get to the Max Crosby one because I want to make sure we get that in. Yep, here it comes. What the Ravens did to the Raiders was unprofessional, unacceptable, and just mean. You sounded like the lawyer from Seinfeld there, you know? That guy is like, this is ludicrous. It's uncanny. You know, that's what you sounded like right there.

I like that. Take it away, Jeff Schwartz. Okay. Here's my thoughts on this. what the Ravens did is allowed they don't have to follow through in the trade it wasn't official trade yet people I think believe the Ravens like

fake injury report I mean the physical they didn't fake it you can find someone to fail a physical like that's not a hard thing to do it's a player you can go in and tell the doctor like I don't feel good or whatever I just they fail you physical like that's not that simple but if you've an injury you're like I my ankle just doesn't like feel right on that spring back

it yet that they're like okay I fail like they can fail you for really anything so like that's not they they didn't fake the they didn't fake the they didn't fake the uh the fail physical um I know that they said the third party read the the thing but again if you really want a player you still sign a player who has a medical issue like you can do that so what they did is is legal and allowed however it sounds like they just got cold feet and didn't want max crosbie and thought that trey henderson plus the two draft picks were better which I agree with I agree with that if you gave me a choice Max Crosby and lose my two first round picks or Tre Henderson and keep my two first round picks and choose option B. We don't choose option B. So both are true. Like they did what they're allowed

to do, but also grimy and probably just backed out and used the knee as an excuse. Last thing then, is it too soon in that division? And I know I already have the answer because of the competition. But are the Raiders good? in 2026 because it does feel like they they've sort of loaded up in terms of personnel they're going to be much yeah so i saw i've seen the report they want a veteran quarterback to like play over mendoza i why it's so dumb for two weeks why like just let mendoza be the starter me you improve your offense align you can draft so they don't have the 14th pick anymore right that was the thought was that they would draft a guard or 14 right so they don't

have that anymore but think about all the additions they made and then oh max crosbie back. It's a good, it's a good off season for the Raiders. They already have the skill, the high end skill position guys, tight end and running back like we talked about 15 minutes ago. Yes. So I think the Raiders are going to be much better.

Now, obviously, King Kuback's got to be a good head coach. I mean, offensively, we know that he can produce an offense. So I in the Raiders, look, they're going to be everyone's favorite over team this year, I would imagine. Like, I saw someone tweet out already. I think it was Kyle Brandt. Like, there's one team picking the top five. It's going to be a playoff team.

My guess is this is the race. picking the Raiders. I don't, like, I don't, it's not the Titans. I, but like, so, or maybe it's the Giants at five, I don't know, but like people are going to be on the Raiders,

right? They're going to be on the Raiders this year. It's going to be very trendy to bet they're over and better make the playoffs. Still tough division. There's still the fourth best team in their division. Just letting everyone know, fourth best team of the division.

Um, awesome stuff, Jeff Schwartz, go eat some white fish. You can set me the bill. You were so good here. I appreciate it. And, uh, we'll talk to you very soon.

Meantime, make sure you're keeping up with all things. pro football based. Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you, plus all the great work on Fox Sports with the draft approaching. Jeff Schwartz is a must follow. Great stuff there, Pally. And now we jump neatly from pro football free agency talk into movie talk. They say it's the Super Bowl for movie fans. I think that's a weird thing to keep saying all the time. But either way, here to help break it down the best in the business at talking about movies from the Baldiwood substack. He's now a filmmaker himself. Growth is the name of the picture. It's our old pal,

bald, Brian Bishop. How are you, Pally? How are you, Dave? Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. It's always good to see your face and may I just say, Big Fan. Ah, that's so sweet. Always nice of you to point that out. I appreciate it. And Big Fan of You, of course, and so Muzzletove on the film. Early Reviews, Strong for Growth. Tell us about the movie a little bit. I'm shocked. First of all, I'm poorly lit because I'm in a hotel room in San Jose where growth is premiering on Sunday at the Sunday Quest Film Festival here for the festival. And yeah, it's getting some great notices, as people say.

I'm shocked, but please, it's a documentary about my life. No, it's not. It's a documentary about, it's a hilarious documentary about cancer, about, like, young adult cancer and the importance of humor. Keep talking. I'm already to laugh. Yeah, don't run. About humor and laughter and how important it is to laugh at the tragic situations. We have lots of comics and comedians and survivors who are comedians talking about the importance of joking and laughing and how that gets you through a tragic situation.

Well, sounds great. And then you hear Bald Brian is the person making this movie. And then you know it's going to be funny if you're aware of it. his work over the many years that he did together, Adam Carolla show, all the rest of it. And like I say, the baldywood substack is great. Now, let's talk about two things primarily. I want to get to real quick here. First of all, matter at hand. If there are people who want to wager on it, what is the best play for best picture this year? And by the way, before you jump on that, do you agree with me that I know everybody has to be cynical about everything, but I think

2026 is the best year for movies in at least a decade off the top of my head at least. How say you? Well, meet you halfway and say that it's an excellent year for movies. There are some really good ones this year, stacked with some fine films. I thought last year, 2025, was an all-timer. I thought last year was one of the best of my lifetime and we're lucky to have so many good movies. This year was...

Wait, one one last year. I can't remember. My favorite movies were Deadpool and Wolverine was awesome My old ass was fantastic The Civil War was amazing And then the fourth one was Oh, a better man

The Robbie Williams' Lunky movie These are all five-star bangers I love them in addition to What won last year It's always the hardest question, right? Anora was the best picture winner. Anora. The movie about the...

Nora was very good. Very good. I know, but come on. I mean, one battle after another is going to be, I keep telling people this, it's going to be a slow bird. People might like it now, but it is going to be the Big Lobowski type effect or Boogie Knights type effect,

which is the more you watch it and the more you absorb it and its journey over destination, one of those kind of movies, the more you absorb that drink, it in, not waiting to see how it ends. And the pleasure is just the ride to get there. One bottle after, once in time in Hollywood is a comp. Or it's more about that whole vibe rather than going someone. But then Sinners is a gem. Anyway, what do you think is that? I agree with you. I will, I will quibble and say that Boogie Nights is, was an instant

classic, whereas I do agree with you about the big Loboski effect, which is even I, when I saw one battle, I was like, that's okay. And then the more sort of thought about it, you know, I really, really dug its claws in. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot that that is what you react. You initially saw it, and I saw you on social media saying like, yeah, good, not that good, but then on a second one. It thinks his claws into you. Actually, you know what? The website I like to use the best, not for gambling, but for actually true percentages is gold derby. Gold Derby does sort of proprietary

like they make their own percentage based on awards the films of won previously, blah, blah, blah. And they give, hold on, right now, it's reasonably close, but one battle after another is likely to win. They give one battle after another a 77% chance to win. Or sinners? Sinners with an 18% chance to win.

Begonia, Hamnet people are really into? Hamnet's faded quite a bit. That's funny because in years past, Hemnet is that kind of Oscar movie that would have just swept. It's a Shakespearean epic with tragic events and a big emotion

and that would have dominated the Oscar many years ago. I think we're in a point now where the Oscars is more sinners than one battle after another for better, I think. I think those are more accessible movies and kind of better.

I like to, you know, I mention the cynics of the world. And I guess this is pretty cynical for me to do this. But worst best picture ever. Your nominees are. Oh, wow. Well, we did that topic on the film. Dances with wolves. No.

Titanic. No. Shakespeare in love. No. Crash. I'm going to say no. I don't even let me do the list. What if somebody stood on the side when,

when, you know, I'm trying to think of people who are still alive. George Clooney is up there like your nominees are. What if somebody else I was going, no, no. That'll be me. I'm with you on a crash. Those are those three are fine films. I would say the English patient is up there in terms of like, that's a hard movie to get through. And that's old school Oscar movie where you're like, okay.

Go watch out of Africa. Yeah, and those 80s movies like Gandhi and out of Afghanistan. Africa. Yeah, they're slogs. You know what I mean? I'm sure there's many, you know, a few classic ones in there that don't deserve it that I haven't seen. But in terms of the ones of my lifetime, I remember when, when, when, what was the one with Johnny Dip? It didn't get not, Neverland, finding Neverland or some nonsense. It didn't win, but that is a, that is a mid-movie, as the kids say. Sleepy. Yes, I agree with you. I guess one way to assess it is. Shakespeare in love is cute in my opinion it's fine i don't i think people overstate how bad it is the problem people have

with it is is that it beat out saving private ryan yes of course i might lean towards if i want to be real pretentious if i'm in the mood i think maybe thin red line makes some more no statements about no private right don't say no to everything can't be no no no now listen dances with wolves i mean you talk about like the the white man hero the white man hero the white man, savior stuff. Over good fellas, yeah. If you want to get offended by him, if you want to get up on Mount Pius,

you can get offended by Kevin Costner's dancers with wolves. I mean, it really is so pertinent. The white hero. Go back and listen, but go back and listen to the language. The script is, is plotting it a lot of,

the language that he uses as a partner. But it'd be good fellas. What are we talking about? Yeah, that's an all-timer. Of course, not a bad movie dance with wolves, but not the incongruity

between the winner and the runner-up as the war. I'm going to give you a chance to say, no, no, no, because my hot take, and this may end the show. This may just be the last thing that people ever hear because careful. Careful with yourself, then. I prefer

Shakespeare in love over saving private Ryan. All right, that's fine. It was nice talking to you. All right, that's going to be doing it for you here. That's everyone's reaction. Same part of Ryan, a fine film with outstanding moments. I mean, of course, the opening battle scene and the closing battle scene.

That's the movie. Some of the best things ever committed to movies. In between is about 90 minutes of a kind of ordinary just dudes talking kind of movie. There's moments, for sure. There's moments. But Shakespeare in Love is a really good movie. I also think that Private Ryan, it's a funny thing from speech. By the way, you want a hot take.

Spielberg has made some downright lousy movies and 1941 isn't one of them. I know people get down on that. That's a halfway decent movie. Okay. Too hyped up, I think, probably. The thing with Private Ryan, the other one that's a rubbish picture is war of the world. It's really good for the first 25 minutes. But then what the hell happens in that?

It's just like, hold on. No, no, no. He ran out of what to do. with the movie and it's like, yeah, let's just wrap this thing up. Let's just say that something happened in the air and it killed all the aliens because we have no way for the humans to survive. I'll meet you halfway again and say that the movie does run out of steam. Like, runs out of track at some point. That said, I feel like there's enough good stuff there. That's an above average movie. Once they get into the cellar with what's his name.

That's a great scene with Tim Robbins. Tim Robbins. That's like the best scene of the movie. That's a great thing. Yeah. I mean, just completely becomes a different. movie and by the way, saving private Ryan shows the horrors of war for the first 25 minutes. And then it turns them into this weird sort of celebrate, like, a fictionalized version of military heroism and all of that. It's sort of like betrays exactly what you're supposed to see in the first 20 or 25 minutes of the movie. It relents quite a bit. It becomes agree with my take about that though? No, no. kind of two very different.

Yeah, it can't sustain. It has two different philosophies, basically. I don't know how you sustain the momentum. It's impossible, frankly. Your audience would die for heart attack. But like, yeah, the movie takes quite a turn and not for the better. But Crash is the worst movie on this list. And it beat out Brookback Mountain, which is a beautiful movie.

And the soundtrack alone makes it on the flannel shirt and the closet and all that is lovely. Yeah, it's lovely. Yeah. But based on the measure of what it beat, what went in 70? What beat out Star Wars again? I can't remember that. Was it Annie Hall or was that the year before? Okay, that's fair.

Hold on. I'm guessing. I don't remember exactly. The worst one is, as we talked about, is dances with wolves beating Goodfellas. Shame the devil. And Titanic is visually cool and everything. The effects are neat. But that story.

Oh, wait. the guy's chained up to a pipe down in the basement of the of the ship. Hey, hey James Cameron, I don't know if you heard, but the, the tragedy of the actual sinking of the ship is enough. You don't need to do the,

the dumb love story where the guy's chained up by a gun-toting henchmen of the mean bald guy, Billy Zame. Yeah, I don't appreciate the bald guy being the bad guy, but I will say it's similar in a sense to your beloved Lord of the Rings in that it's, it's more about the overall achievement than it is about the actual like, you know,

the tropes of the storytelling. Like, Lord of the Rings is just the hero's journey with a lot of, you know, bells and whistles hung on that. And they're very interesting. But the love, I think Lord of the Rings got as a trilogy and as an award winner was the overall achievement. The masterful sort of lift that the whole thing was. Bald Brian Bishop, we had a big debate.

two, three weeks ago. Let's hear it. With Amin Elhassen and Jonathan Zaslow and Mike Fuentes jumped in as well. And we were debating Paul Thomas Anderson and Quentin Tarantino. Now I'm going to throw your way, Christopher Nolan. We can do FMK. Let's create a standard here. The guy who you choose, you can watch his movies whenever you want for the rest of your life.

The second guy you choose, you can only watch his movies once a year. No, once every three years. The third guy, you never get to see any of his movies ever. Oh my God, that's a tough choice. Okay. If you're ready to weigh in, is all set. I got mine already. I got mine already.

Go ahead. Okay, as the audience probably can tell, I've had no prep for this. This is off top of my head, but. Well, let's hear Mike Fuentes. Mine's easy. Oh, I sure. I don't even know what my answer is. Paul Thomas Anderson, you're out of here.

I'm never watching your stuff again. Then Quinn Tarantino's number two and Nolan's number one. What is that go through Nolan's catalog for me that why people are so like that they could never do without Christopher Nolan movies. The reason I'll do this off top of my head and please correct me where I'm wrong. But I would choose Nolan's movies to watch any time simply because although, although footnote caveat to my own choice. when his brother stopped co-writing the movies, there was a precipitous decline in the emotional

component, like those early movies from inception to the prestige of Dark Night, Dark Night Rises, of course, that whole trilogy, Interstellar, Inception, these are movies that have universes inside them. They're high, they're low, the emotions are there. It all, those are movies that, you know, Interstell are connected with me emotionally, a lot of people, whereas the Tarantino movies have brought me so much joy in my life, I might choose to watch those once a year

because as great as they are, they're more of an event in my life and less of an emotion. I don't know that I've ever connected with a Tarantino film emotionally. I've been, in notwithstanding, being super impressed and being super satisfied, I'm satisfied. Paul Thomas Anderson, I have deep, deep love for boogie nights and and punch

drunk love. And even there will be blood. Some of those early movies, Magnolia, actually, I'm way above marketing on Magnolia, but he has an uneven catalog. I don't care for the phantom thread. I don't care for the inherent vice. I see, I like the phantom thread. Yeah, not for me. So painfully, I love Paul Thomas Anderson. I love his movies. obviously, but if I'm given the choice between those three, he's the one that's got. I mean, there will be blood, boogie, or ranking the movies, and then we're veering into rewatchability. But if you could sort of tap into your young self and you would with fresh eyes and you're helping yourself, your old self is going to say you're going to like this guy's movies,

but you see them with fresh eyes. I think Paul Thomas Anderson maybe has the best of, because there will be blood, boogie nights. I'm with you on Punch Drunk Love, too. I love that movie. Some people just, I think it just goes right over a lot of people's heads for some reason. And then the most recent one battle after another, I would have to say as much as it would pain me to say goodbye to Christopher Nolan. I think he's in the third spot for me. It has to be a goodbye.

Nothing like Bain in that WW2 fighter plane flying past the troops on the coastline and them all erupting when he comes back around and the engine's out. He's out of gas and he just keeps on going and they all cheer for him as he goes to certain death down the coastline. Powerful stuff. I'm below market on Dunkirk, but it's funny because his later stuff, I don't,

I don't need, I don't need Oppenheimer in my life. You know what I mean? I don't like, you could make a case. And yes, I do see your point of view that Nolan's movies as,

you know, losing the dark night would be a hard thing in my life. But so would losing boogie nights. That's a celebrated movie in my life. I love that movie. much. Yeah. See,

losing Dark Night, that's the best superhero movie. That's a bridge too far. Yeah, it's the best superhero movie ever made. It's tough to like,

I'm never going to see Heath Ledger play this character again. It's tough. Tenick and go away. We can come down, bald on a conversation we've, I know we've never had in superhero movies or five, but people always leave this one out,

but invincible. And in fact, I just watch Glass, which I did not think was, what's invincible? What's invincible? The, the football movie?

Wait, isn't that? No, not invincible. then what the... You're thinking on break Unbreakable is what you're doing. Oh, I'm sorry.

The Shama and the Shalon movie. Yeah. Very good. Excellent. Really good movie. Underrated because it followed up the six cents. And of course, the expectations were sky high. We're really good movie.

I mean, if you're calling a superhero movie, I guess you should. It's much... It is a superhero movie. Yeah, but it's much quieter. You know what I mean? It's much of a slow burn more than like your average Marvel movie or DC movie. That said,

really good, solid performances all around. Yeah, kind of forgotten, like dismissed. Like, oh, this wasn't the sixth sense. So it's not going to be celebrated and to an extent that's correct, but it is a very good movie. Well, if you haven't seen it, Glass, which is the third in the trilogy,

and then there's one in the middle. I think it's called Split. Split with James McAvoy. How did he not get nominated for that? He plays like 12 characters. He was very good. 23 characters. Yeah, and it's mine.

And then they all get together. sort of like, you know, Avengers Endgame almost kind of thing. All three of them are together in one crazy house, and it has the M. Night Shyamalan twist towards the end of it and all of that. I think those are a little bit underrated. It might be right. How was Glass? Glass I never saw.

So how was Glass? I mean, better than I expected because I had no expectations because I'd never heard anything about it. I barely even knew that it had existed until I stumbled across it on pay cable one day. The question or the thing that we talked about here, we did a Tarantino character draft, and we'd love for you to join us for another one down the line. But one of the categories we did is, which Tarantino character would you least want to be hunted by? To me, there's an obvious answer. I'm a big fan of your shows.

I remember this. You made the, I think you picked last and you somehow got the bride. Yeah, yeah, what the hell? No, that's the one you just. for me? That's the one you don't want. She went to the court. She went to the corners of the earth, defeated, murdered 88,

trained Yakuza to a... That's right, but Bob Bryan. That's the important point. No. It's not that he was given a list, she was given a list of like the, or made a list. I want to kill these people and now I'm going to set about killing them. They're the greatest killers on the planet Earth and she kills them all. Yeah, but see, Dave, you're doing this thing where once you,

find him. Yeah, she'll kill. I'm not going to try to fight her. I'm not trying to fight her. I'm trying to run. I don't need to confront her. Plus, she's a nice guy. He'll find you. Yeah, but she's a good guy. She's going to like, you know, reason with me. We're going to have a conversation. Hads Land, just going to find me and I'm dead. It's over. That's a wrap. What are you talking about? He needs troops. We don't see him kill anybody except for what's her name? Diana Firster Mark. He strangles her to death after he takes her shoe. Bridgett Van Hammersmark. All right. All Brian. Let me just say this.

How about that when I sent you in Baldiwood? Bald Brian honors our recognition of actor redundancies, which is the same actor doing very specific things in two separate, completely different projects. Some of our most famous very quickly. Kevin Spacey is the subject of a police sketch artist in both seven and usual suspects, so on and so forth. How about the one I just sent you of what's her name again? Diane first to Mark, whatever. Diane Kruger. Diane Kruger has her shoe taken off and put on by a man in two movies.

That's very weird. That's an excellent one. I will point out that Hans Land, of course, as a first round draft back. However, the sheen is off the rose because a common farm girl, Soshana managed to elude him for years, not just once but twice face to face, where she escaped from the barn. And then later, when they're having lunch together, she escaped his clutches.

So, yes, the Jew hunter is, of course, a first-round pick for his lethal stictuitiveness. That said, there's some shinks in the armor. And Beatrix kiddo, what are you talking about, Mike Fuentes? Beatrix kiddo finds whoever she wants to find. She was looking for very specific people that probably leave a very specific trail, is all I'm saying.

They're killers. She killed Bill. You know, a spoiler alert. She's going to the corner, the corners of the earth to find these people. But she has a vendetta against them. What's a vendetta with me?

You don't even know me. I mean, bottom line is the teams that drafted quarterbacks not named Tom Brady in that draft are now off the hook because Mike Flentes, Amin, other than Beatrix kiddo to get hunted by. Crazy. What is the next to steal of the draft?

Bald Brian Bishop, obviously long time pal, rooting for your success, but Proudy already for making the movie on a tough subject, something that I was talking at the top of the show earlier on Football America about not letting this defying you and sort of owning it and not giving credit to your foe here, which is cancer and turning it on its ear. And I feel like you've done that to some degree over the last 20 years. So tip of the cap to you, Pally.

Thanks, buddy. I appreciate the support. I appreciate you always inviting me on the show. Are we out of time? Do you want to do an actor redundancy or two? Yeah, take it away. I'm always down for some actor redundancy. Well, we always enjoy the actor redundancies

when an actor does an oddly specific thing in two separate non-related movies. We call it an actor redundancy. I highlight those once a week in my news newsletter, a Baldiwood newsletter. Check those out. A recent one that I highlighted that you may enjoy the recently deceased and missed. Robert Duval plays a lieutenant colonel in the military who shouts most of his dialogue in two movies in the same year, Apocalypse Now and the Great Santini. Duval received Oscar nominations for both movies. I like that one a lot. My favorite one, as I, you know,

the one I always mentioned. at the top is the Kevin Spacey one, Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves' backstory in two movies is that he was the Ohio State quarterback is pretty weird and specific. My favorite, well, also the guy, I can never think of his name, but the guy who plays Billy in Predator. Sonny Landum. Sonny Landum, right, who's mostly a porn star, right?

Wasn't that? Didn't he, he, he was in porn? I don't know anything about these things, Dave. I'm pretty sure he was. but the two movies that he was in, mainstream movies, were 48 hours where he's one of the two bad guys. And he gets shot dead, shirtless, with a giant Rambo-style knife in his hand by Eddie Murphy in 48 hours. And then in Predator, he stands out on the fallen log that's crossing the stream and awaits Predator and gets killed by the predator, shirtless, holding a giant Rambo knife.

That's the craziest one. But now, rivaling that one is, of course, I can't think of her name, Olivia, something or other, is the actor's name. But she, in two movies, is draped in red velvet sitting in a chair and asleep and is visited and talks to someone from the Great Beyond. Yes, yes. Two separate movies. It is Olivia. The one, the six cents. Six cents.

And I can't remember the other movie she does it, but she does it. Let me see if I have it here in front of me. Dave, I don't know if you know this, but I have a lot of factory redundancy's written in. Yeah. I appreciate that. Now, I only have the Tony Collette one, which is in the Sixth Sense and in Hereditary. In Sixth Sense, Child talks to dead people and the hereditary, a dead person talks as her child, like her child speaks like as a dead person. It's pretty creepy.

I think we've uncovered something here that I already knew, but it's like for me, like with donuts. I don't eat donuts very often, but like once every five months or so, you know, the kids will go out for donuts. I'll be like, all right. You know what? I'm going to get a donut this time. And I get one. I'm like, man, donuts are good. I got to eat more donuts. But then I don't eat one for another five months or so. That's the experience with Bald Brian. We enjoy talking about movies here. So let's try to make a better habit of bringing you in here. We can do some Tarantino character drafts. Maybe you have a good idea for a Paul Thomas Anderson or a Chris Wholen draft, come up with a category and we'll make it so.

In the meantime, like I say, Bald Brian, Baldiwood, make sure you're checking that out on substack and also best wishes and break a leg and all that with growth out there and hope it makes all the big theaters and track it down. Is there anywhere to track it down right now or should we wait for it to show up on? If you're in the Bay Area, which is I imagine a small slice of your audience, you can see it on Sunday or Monday. It's going to be premiering. the Alamo draft house and Mountain View.

But again, that's a very small percentage of your audience. The rest of you're going to have to wait until it gets wild. The distributor, which hopefully will be sometime this year. Like you said, Dave, I'm as you know, I'm a bit of a raggedoscious fellow sometimes, but it's quite humbling to have strangers see your movie and say really nice things about it. So I'm hoping that everyone gets to see it soon. Well, good for you. I'll try to keep you grounded.

Even if I like it, I'll tell you I think it sucks. I appreciate that. I need that. Okay, okay. Done and done. Also, a great trivia mind is Bald Brian there. He's been on TV game shows even. So maybe we'll get him in here for some more Mr. Lister categories.

In the meantime, there goes Bald Brian. And here we go to thanks to him and the Jeff Schwartz. And thanks to you, my fellow Football Americans. Keep on subscribing, spreading the good word. Find the show wherever you find your audio podcast. And make sure you're subscribed to the Football America YouTube page. Until next time for everybody here on Football America. Thanks so much.

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