The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - GBF- Dirty Diana and Deirdre Ruin Everything

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Stugotz, Billy, and Mikey A discuss the George Pickens trade in "Hey, here's a headline" which leads them down the rabbit hole of the 2000 NFL draft and one of the craziest picks ever.  Chris Simms joins the show to talk about the family "vote" that prevented Abdul Carter from being able to wear No.11 with the Giants.  And more Mikelys asks about repeat champs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to DraftKings Network. God bless football, Billy Gill. God bless football, Mikey. God bless football, Fu Gill. God bless when we had Chris Sims on. I mean, I cannot believe that you were ever in sales with how bad you do of selling things. You're telling people, hey, you want to see them fight. Don't stick around because it's not going to happen.

He's going to make a very quick brief appearance because Chris Sims decided that the world revolves around him and he was going to do it in the middle of the show that we record every day at 9 a.m. I chose an odd moment to be honest with the audience. You are right. But I just wanted them to know because I feel like people look forward to that dynamic and you'll get a smattering of it. But you will not get a little sprinkle.

You get a little sprinkle. But Chris Sims is great. And he tells some great stories about his dad's jersey and just unleashes on Belichick a little bit. So I am looking forward to that. While we're here anything else you want to be honest about or is that it for this episode? That's it. No. Okay.

All right. Hey, by the way, I'm going to be honest about something. God bless football is presented by Smirnoff. We do game days. Please drink responsibly. The Smirnoff Company New York, New York. I want to be honest about this. We own this show now.

Yeah. And by we, me, Billy, Mikey a we own the show. Okay, so please subscribe rate review And then unsubscribe and resubscribe and we rate on rereview. You can't do that. Just subscribe Review just subscribe and we'll be fine. Also, by the way today's episode is presented by draft Kings draft Kings. The crown is yours Yes So please subscribe to the to the podcast outside of the Dan Labattore Show Network. And we appreciate it. Billy, I'm going to give you a choice here, okay? You have three choices, okay? Okay.

Before we get to Chris Sims, we have more Mike Lee. We have anonymous sources. And we have headlines. Okay. So those are your three choices in terms of what game we're going to play We have anonymous sources. Uh No, but I think you're right on this in terms of a show should start with the headlines, right? I should not ask that question anymore. We should just start with headlines, correct? Yeah, I mean we typically have started with here's a headline, but it's fine. I understand switching it up a little bit here and there. Okay, alright. You have a headline for us? I do. You want me to start? I can start today if you want. Okay, go ahead. Ready? Here's a headline, and this is a direct quote from, I'll give you the source here, I believe it was nfl.com.

Here's a headline, the Sims family, a bunch of babies. Yeah. Look at that line. Colon, colon, Phil Sims will not let Abdul Carter wear the number 11 you know what you notice they didn't call the Taylor family Lawrence Taylor's family a bunch of babies yeah I mean I didn't write the headline I didn't I didn't do it it seems like I'll get to it later it seems like a headline you would write though I mean

I mean I would never maybe we'll get to it later I don't know I wasn't part of the interview as you know no geez. Terrible sales job by me. Lawrence Taylor just flatly said no, I mean. Yeah, well, Phil, for those of you who are unaware, Abdul Carter was drafted by the Giants. Phil Sims, number 11, is retired. Abdul said, you know what, I'd like to wear number 11. So let's ask the Sims family.

Phil seemed to not really care about it whatsoever. Allegedly Christopher also said that would be cool if he wore the number 11, I don't care. And then it came down to what was reported, and we'll get to the bottom of this later on in the episode when we talk to Chris Simms, see if he can clear anything up. The report was somehow this ended up as a family vote. And after the family votes were tallied and the white smoke came out of the Sims family chimney it was revealed Abdul Carter will not be allowed to wear the number 11 so we can ask him about that later on today.

And we will Billy if you had a jersey if you had a career like Phil Sims and your jersey was retired in in a stadium and a rookie came in a rookie hot shot came in and he wanted your number. Would you give up the number? Is there a price for you in which you would give up the number because I'm with Lawrence Taylor like hey blaze your own trail. Leave my number alone. Find your own number. You know, I mean, I guess it depends on how many numbers are retired by the team and like how hard up for numbers the team actually is.

And also like if I am very, very financially set and I have like, you know, $400 million in the bank or something like that, I'd be like, okay, whatever. Why are you calling me? How'd you get this number? Like leave me alone. I'm good. I did my time. You can have my number if you want. Maybe. We'll see. But they need to be good. In fact, I would make an arrangement with them. This is what I would do now that we're talking

this out. And I like this scenario. I would say, you know what? You can have my number on a trial period. And I will determine if you will be allowed to actually continue to wear that number. And I don't know if you decide that it's like for training camp that they can have it or you say you know what we're going to do performance reviews every quarter. So every not every quarter of the game every quarter of the season. So after you know every four games we do a check in. Hey are you playing up to the number 11. Are you season. So after, you know, every four games, we do a check-in. Hey, are you playing up to the number 11?

Are you not? No, you're not. You're gonna have to switch to number 97. You know, in four games, we can come back and see if we're going back to 11 or what you wanna do. I like it better if you do it every quarter of the game. Like, listen, you just had that holding penalty. I need you to take the shirt off.

Yes. You're right. Yeah, put pressure on the player. I need you to take the shirt off. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you do? You're evaluating whether or. Put pressure on the player. Take the shirt off. Yeah. Yeah. So, what do you do? You're evaluating whether or not this player is worthy of wearing your jersey, right?

You have the right to take it back at any moment. Yeah, quarterly evaluations. I think that's fair. Most companies do quarterly evaluations. Yes. So, you're not a football quarter but yeah. And by the way, quarterly evaluations also

eliminate complacency because sometimes it's easy once you get the number you say, oh look at me I'm the biggest thing in town now. I have the number I wanted maybe let me take it a little bit easy here Not if you want to keep that number you want to go up to 97 Nope, then you better play your took us off Your took us really? Yeah I Do like evaluating quarter to quarter whether or not the guy is worthy

But I'm with Billy depends where you're at financially in your life at the time someone comes and asks for your jersey if I need The money I'll give it away if I don't need the money. There's really no shot I don't think I would ever give away my like that's my jersey. It's hanging from the rafters in New Jersey Yeah, I mean we make you say that like if it's like a pristine like it's in the rafters in New Jersey. Yeah. I mean, you say that like if it's like a prestigious like it's in the rafters in New Jersey. No, I said it for a reason because it's a dump. I mean, you know what else is in the rafters in New Jersey? Rats. Like that's where you want your number. You're right. You're right. Mikey, do you have a headline for us? Yeah. Hey, here's a headline. Yeah. The Pittsburgh Steelers traded George Pickens to the Dallas Cowboys for a couple

of draft picks. What are they doing? It's a great question because I was wondering the same thing. What are the Steelers doing? It's been an interesting offseason to say the least for the Steelers. Yes. What is going on with Aaron Rodgers? I love this. The conspiracy theory with Rodgers that he's waiting till next week to sign with the Steelers until after the NFL releases their schedule. So they don't get any undue attention. They don't get any any extra. Yeah, he hate that. Primetime games and stuff. That's the conspiracy theory at the moment.

But if you're trying to lure Aaron Rodgers, why trade, like why would you trade away George Pickens? That would be a reason for Rodgers to want to go to Pittsburgh. Now you clear up some room for Lazard. Well yeah, you need to get Lazard, Mercedes-Louis, and Randall Cobb. But the one thing I'll say in the Steelers defense is, I mean, they're really good at getting rid of wide receivers before they go bad. Like they're really good. Chase Claypool, Martavius Bryant, Deontay Johnson, Juju Smith Schuster, Mike Wallace. Like they're really good at getting rid of these guys at the right time. And maybe just George Pickens will be another name in that list.

Juju won a Super Bowl after he left Pittsburgh, you know? Sure, but he also, but he was as much a part of that as I was. Yeah. Was he? Did you guys notice, did we curse the Chiefs? Cause the Chiefs were riding high until we headed up to Kansas City.

And then, you know, they made it to the Super Bowl, but it didn't seal the deal. Was it us joining Chief's Kingdom do you think I believe so yes okay Chief's Kingdom I mean in our defense to God's pick the Bears and Jets to fight no fight it out in the Super Bowl I bet you yeah that's true I was doing let you forget it. I'll never let you forget So they had like nine wins between them by the way the Steelers brought in DK Metcalf, what are they doing? I mean, I mean, but you have George Pickens and DK like right Mason Rudolph wouldn't be terrible with those weapons, you know, yes, I feel like Tom when this is gonna be the first season He falls below 500 unless they sign Aaron Rodgers those weapons, you know? Yes. I feel like Tom when this is gonna be the first season, he falls below 500 unless they

sign Aaron Rodgers. Don't do that. That's you sound silly. What ridiculous. Also, I don't know if Aaron Rodgers makes it more likely or less likely to finish the season above 500 or below 500. That's a good point. The Jets were five and 12 of

them a season ago. But right now, the quarterback room for the for the Steelers, Will Howard, Mason Rudolph, Skyler Thompson, Billy. They're gonna go below 500. Get out of there. They're not trotting out Mason Rudolph and finishing 10 and seven.

It's not happening. I feel like Skyler Thompson has one last shot in him. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here.

Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. Little something left in the tank? Yeah, you know, yeah. No, I don't. Oh, are we done with headlines when the let me ask you guys a question. So the schedule is coming out soon. I'm assuming that they'll open the season in Philadelphia, right? That's kind of been the tradition as you go to the. Yeah. Should we? I mean, we're not gonna be here anymore, but independent from this, should we go like set up a folding table outside of the stadium in Philly

and just kind of do our godless football there on remote? What do you think? Hmm. To be determined. Yeah, well that's the thing. Right. That's the big question, yeah. Who are they gonna play opening week?

I'd say Washington. That'd be a fun game to start the season. It's usually an AFC team, isn't it, right? No, it's usually it's they usually try and make it some playoff rematch and wasn't the NFC championship game Washington, Philly. Yeah, give me that game again. Yeah. Okay. Not a bad game. I will be watching from home. Maybe we'll go to the Philly parking lot, Billy.

Maybe. Maybe or perhaps we'll sell it, you know, with Smyrna and we'll go to a bar somewhere in Philadelphia and do the show there The way we do things there's nowhere 45 minutes The way we do things it'll be a bar in Pittsburgh Mikey ain't Delaware Billy's gonna stick me in Mikey A Delaware What does as a headline here go ahead point does the Jacksonville drag wires release wide receiver gave Davis one year after signing him to a 39 million dollar contract You'll always have that for touchdown game. Yes, you know what it's their fault for signing him to a 39 million

I don't blame game Davis at all. I don't blame him. Well, how could you blame Gabe Davis? He didn't do anything. That's the problem. Well, he didn't do it. And now he's collecting $39 million and doesn't have to play football in Jacksonville. That's a good job by you. The problem with Gabe Davis and him being released is, you know, he was Gabe Davis. He did all he could do. He just did maximum Gabe Davis, and that's what you get when you have Gabe Davis. And what you get for being maximum Gabe Davis is $40 million. In 10 games.

Kind of makes you wonder, hey, I wonder if the quarterback had anything to do with Gabe Davis. In 10 games, he had 20 catches, 239 yards, 10 touchdowns, no, two touchdowns, sorry. I got excited. I saw 10 there in 10 games, not 10. 10, he'd still be a Jaguar. Exactly.

Yeah, yeah. What'd you guys make? He's tight end. Mikey, what'd you make of what the Jaguars did? Because now Trevor Lawrence has no more excuses. He is, he is out of excuses. They got him the best player in the draft. I like how the excuse he had before was,

like, Gabe Davis is still on the team. It's no additions, it's the subtraction of Gabe Davis. It's like, well, now there's no excuses. We got rid of Gabe Davis. I feel like we've said this about Trevor Lawrence every year, like, well, now he's got no excuses. And then all of a sudden we're like, well, I mean, there's kind of an excuse, so we'll give him that.

All right, I have a headline, guys. Ooh, okay. Hey, I have a headline guys. Oh, okay. Oh, here's a headline. Panthers releasing pass rusher, Jadeve and clowny. Oh, he'll be back. Okay. Is he still riding high from that hit against Michigan? Yes.

He's like the outback ball. I was just gonna say that one. Is that all he's ever gonna be? Yes. Yeah. Yes. And he keeps getting. Nobody blocked him. Yes. And he hit a running back really hard. So I'm with Billy.

And now he's the number one pick. I'm with Billy. He'll still get a job and he still trots out when he hands someone his resume. It's still that one little video. Yeah. That picture. Of him making that hit in college, yes.

Mm-hmm. That pop the guy's helmet off, yeah. Sir, have you played football before? Have I played football before? Have you seen this video? Let me take you back to the Outback Bowl of 25. How long ago was that hit? That hat so using he was at South Carolina from 2011 to 2013. So we're looking at over 10 years ago. Yeah Let me take you and it was the Outback Bowl. Yeah, which is just like it wasn't like a championship game. Gino told me it was 2012.

Do you think you Davey and clowny thought at that moment his career had peaked? Do you think he thought that in the moment? Like this is going to be the best I'm ever going to be right here. I have another headline guys very exciting. Wait, I have a question for you before your hey, he is a headline. So you got so South Carolina, the Gamecox retired his number seven. Should he let someone else use

that number? Retiring college numbers is not as common as retiring NFL numbers. I don't think, right? Cuz in college, your last name is Sanders. You're there like three years so they can't retire everyone's number. You have to be like a

real all-time great for the school for them to retire your number. Right. I would never, if my number was retired, I would never, I wouldn't give it to anyone. Okay. College or NFL. But if you're clowny, do you give it up? Without a little check. Yeah. Without a big check.

And by little, I mean a big check. Right. If I'm clowny, do I give it up? No, I don't give it up, man. Okay. I don't. Alright,, man. Okay. I don't. I mean, it has meaning. All right, what was your other headline? My last headline here is that Brady said to Shador Sanders, and by the way,

I love that a fifth round, that guy's jersey retired before he takes a snap in the NFL, Brady said to Sanders, use the draft slot as motivation. Okay. Okay. I mean, coming from him, okay. the drafts. The players use the still on the board. If you've redrafted that draft, do you think Brady would be the number one pick? Let's see what year that was. 2000. I'll stay here right now. 1980. We'll get to Chris Simms in a second here. Who was the number one pick? I don't know the number one pick. I know the first quarterback was. Who was it? Chad Pennington. Oh, that's right. Oh god. Yeah

Yeah, just had four first-round picks Tom Brady was in the draft Jesus the first pick of the 2000 NFL drafts, you'll never guess the team selecting it was the Cleveland Browns. Oh Brown the defensive tackle. Yep, Courtney Brown and state. Yeah Yep, I'm guessing the Browns had to do it over again They'd take Courtney Brown. They take Chad Betty Sebastian Chris Sims next. Hey guys, it's Lucy and I'm about to tell you about the most incredible, unforgettable gift you can get mom this Mother's Day.

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here for a little bit. There you go. You want to rip Billy because Billy has decided today that Levitard is more important than Chris Sims. I booked you for Billy. I mean, Billy said he missed you. I mean, I I I mean, I am disappointed. I mean, yeah, we

haven't talked in a while. You would think he would show the grace. I mean, he's texting me about the link and all that. So he's misleading me to think that he's going to be on the show. I will say I understand. I mean, he's texting me about the link and all that. So he's misleading me to think that he's going to be on the show. I will say I understand. I mean, you know, it is Dan Lebatard. He's a big deal.

He's he's obviously a bigger deal than you and I are. And then Mikey here. So, you know, the hell with them. Come see you later. Who? Lebatard or Billy? Billy. Yeah, never say that about Dan. I got too much respect for Dan. Definitely not. I have zero respect for Billy. And say that about Dan. I got too much respect for Dan. Definitely not. I have zero respect for Billy. He's, and he wouldn't see, he's probably wearing some stupid

hat on the show. Who knows what he's got working today. Without even looking. First off, Billy is wearing a stupid hat on the show. I saw him today. Right. Guaranteed, guaranteed stupid hat on the show. Right. With some stupid story. Oh, I was here once and all the way that happened was I ended up getting this hat and it's like, yeah, nobody cares. Billy. It's stupid. PFT with Mike Floria every day. I'll be cocky on button podcast football night in America. Our buddy Chris Simms is with us. He is fresh off attending

the Met Gala last night. How that go? Right? I wish I mean, I wish and let me just tell you if I was at the Met Gala, I would not be spending my Tuesday morning with you. I could tell you that much. All right, but you you would want to

go to that. I can see your wife wanting to go to that. Of course, you would want to go to that. I actually think I would want to go with it. I think just like I would want to go to that? I actually think I would want to go with it I think just like I would want to go to it because I do think there's like when you get invited to that You've hit a different stratosphere of superstardom, right? Like you're obviously making a load of money and you're a superstar And so there is something about that where I'd be like, yeah

I would take that to be invited there. The party itself kind of seems blah, but I think it's the parties after that I'd go, yeah, let's get ready. It's smoky drinking time. Let's have some fun now. I think that would be what it would be really fun to see it. Okay. Would you go, but you had to wear an outfit designed by me, Billy and Stu gots. Oh boy.

And you had to wear it the whole night. Oh boy. No, no. Well, I and Stu gots. Oh boy. And you had to wear it the whole night. Oh boy. No, no. Well, I mean. Smart answer. It's a smart answer. I might get lucky cause you might just pick like a t-shirt and jeans.

So it's like, okay, that's not the worst. No, I'm gonna put you in like meat. Like you're gonna wear meat. The most compromising position. Yeah. Yes. I'm not doing that. I'm not part of the reason I'd want to go. I'd be like them. Oh, there's

all these famous, beautiful women, all of this. I get a chance to meet them. I don't want to look like an asshole in my first time meeting them. So I'm not letting that go down. But what if you could move? What if you could wear whatever you want? You just had to wear one of Billy's hats, like he gets to pick it. He gets to pick it. He gets to pick it. He gets to pick. He gets to pick it. Man, that would hurt. That would hurt. But I might do it for that. I might. They were like, he can only come if you have you can wear what you want. But you got to wear Billy's hat. I might take the sacrifice. Tell the story. Tell him how stupid Billy is.

Whatever else. Get a few laughs. And then the party's over. I could take it off then. But yeah, I definitely would want to be there. And what I think is cool is the NFL. I mean, you could just see to me, again, this is high society, New York living as we know, and then the Metropolitan Museum of Art and all that stuff and crap and all that. But these are worldwide superstars. And what did we have? Seven, eight, nine NFL players there. I think it just speaks to how big the game is in our country

and becoming worldwide that someone like Anna Wintour has got that many NFL players at her party. Best dressed teammate you've had. Oh. Wow, that's a good question. That is a good question there. Damn, I've had some good ones too here. My Tampa Bay Buccaneers team that I was a part

of, right, that I got drafted on, they had just won the Super Bowl. Man, there was some guys there that took some real pride in how they looked like Derek Brooks and Booger McFarlane and Rondé Barber and Brian Kelly, if you remember him, the corner. Yes. I mean, they had like, it was always like wow that's an incredible suit perfect matching tie shirt right the belt would be perfect and always some wow shoes that like you know I wouldn't wear but I'd be like that looks good on you with that suit that works right there right. So those would be ones that jump out to you. The other one is Brandon

Marshall was a pretty good dresser in Denver. Yes. Yeah. He's into that. Now, you know, he's getting a little chunky. I could see him on his social media videos. I don't know if he can fit in those suits anymore. Yeah, I'm taking some shots at him, but damn, yeah, he could dress pretty good too. Knowing Booger McFarlane the way I do, he is the best dressed man in any room that he walks into. He like, he would always have like you look

Like oh my gosh Look at these shoes like they perfectly match your tie and where the hell did you even find shoes that make leather that match your tie And your suit like that and everything to go along with it. So yeah, he was he was pretty special I'm probably blanking on another guy or two that that is not popping in my head my Tennessee Titan teams When I was on them, they were a little like casual cool, right? guy or two that that is not popping in my head. My Tennessee Titan teams when I was on them they were a little like casual cool right so I was on that and it mean it'd be hard to on the road games I sat with Randy Moss my last year in Tennessee on the trip the trips away right so I sat in the window we had a

seat in between us and then there was Randy Moss. Now, Randy, he had like he would break out. I don't know $100,000 chinchilla mink jacket every now and then where you just go over damn that that takes the cake right there. Nobody can mess with that. So, you know, there were some guys that had some special, you know, what do I want to say accessories that could put things over the top too. Was Randy Moss your coolest teammate?

He was pretty cool. Now, you know, I, gosh, I had some, I had a lot of cool teammates, Dan. I mean, Randy was at a, this is where I bet you, Randy and me, if we were in the primes of our career, I think we would have really hit it off, right? He was older Randy, like who had to spend like 40 minutes warming up just for the warmup part of practice. Like, for practice. Just to get ready. Yes. I had to get 40 minutes just so I could warm up. Then I could warm up for practice, right? So he was a little bit of that part of his career. But like, both of us, I think, had a common ground of obsessed with the sport obsessed with football obsessed with competing And and yeah

We didn't get to hang off hang out outside the field too much and I was in a mode of Trying to survive and not the same after my spleen and all that so I wish we could have hang more But no, I mean he's up there, but damn. I mean, I had some good ones everywhere. Again, Brandon Marshall I would put up there with just about anybody as the coolest ones. Champ Bailey was cool as hell in Denver and somebody I loved hanging out with on and off the field. And Tampa, you know, there was some special personalities there too, so that's a tough one to call.

But Randy was certainly like the most high profile superstar like, oh my God, it's the legend of Randy Moss. And he's sitting next to me. That was definitely the biggest in that department. You are a fan of all things New York. You love the Yankees. We'll talk about them in just a second. Are you into this Knicks series, Knicks and Celtics? I am. I'm not even a huge Knix fan right but i'm a new york sports fan in general and especially when it comes to anything versus boston i'm rooting for new york so i could just tell you that for sure i'm sick of boston sports dominating the scene here for the this better part of this century i've had enough uh yes it's uh it's interesting gonna be fun

series uh what do you make of the yankee start here? I'm still in depression mode with the Yanks. OK, Jesus Christ, I am. I mean, last year was like one of the fun. I don't even give a **** that they didn't win the World Series. Yeah, they **** it all up in game five and all that. Right. Yeah. I mean, in any in inning five, right. Only like where the Yankees could do base running and errors in the field, like which was what we did all year last year. But we overcame it because we had two bad-ass dudes that could just hit home runs every game. And you're

like, we're down seven one. It's the sixth. We got a chance. We got a chance. We'll come back. We'll make a run at this thing. Right? I mean, that's what was awesome. And then they let one of the most exciting duos be split apart and not only split apart, but then he goes to our new richer counterpart owner across the way to the Mets. So I haven't really started to digest Yankees games on a daily basis quite yet. I am still a little bitter. Stu gots. Yeah, I could tell you don't like that. The Mets got soda. That's really what it boils down to. I mean, you can't say right because you've been a richest demon in the sport forever. Right? Right.

And then judge was so-do. I mean, that was just like, oh my gosh, am I sitting here watching Garrick and Babe Ruth? That's what you felt like. It was like, damn, this is incredible. And then they had a cool handshake to go along with it. And we know home run hitters fit at Yankee Stadium anyway. So yeah, I'm bothered by it.

I'm still bothered by it. All right, Mikey A has many questions about your dad's jersey. Oh, OK. So yeah, I'm bothered by it. I'm still bothered by it. All right, Mikey A has many questions about your dad's jersey. Mikey A, go ahead. The floor is yours, my friend. I mean, the report comes out that Abdul Carter was drafted by the Giants,

wants to wear 11, and he can't wear 11 because, quote, the family had a vote and decided not to let him wear it. I got to know. Did you guys like how did the vote go down? Well, wait, hold on it, Mikey. Hold on a second. You have to wear masks, making a vote. Hold on a second. Let's get the the sequence right here. Did Phil originally left to his own devices?

Did Phil originally say yes to to giving him the jersey? Well, so no, no. And what you've read and seen so far, I mean, you know me. I mean, what are you? I'm a pretty transparent guy. Yes. That good of a fucking actor or anything. That's why we have you on Sims. I'm not smart enough to remember dumb lies. Okay. So that's why I don't lie. All right. That's smart. Right. Right. It's smart. In my dumbness, I'm smart sometimes, right. So within that, though, he makes the comment with, you know, cousin Sal, right, I believe on the

DraftKings podcast, he had been on the radar, we had been even the second night of the draft, dad was at my house watching rounds two and three. And even starting that night, we had people like, hey, has Abdul Carter asked yet? Has Abdul Carter asked yet? People, right? Just in the NFL, everybody, whatever. But of course, the Lawrence Taylor thing happens. Lawrence says, no, get your own number, right? Make your own way. And in Lawrence Taylor fashion that way, he does that. We don't hear anything. I asked my dad a few times like, hey, you know, you heard from a dual Carter, but

no, no, no, I haven't heard anybody, you know, his agent nope, haven't heard anything. And then all of a sudden, he makes this comment on the podcast, you see Abdul Carter replies back to it, like it would be an honor, right? Basically, like, Oh, it sounds like he's gonna give me this, I want to wear number 11. So it starts from there. Friday, late morning, my dad calls me and he's like, I mean, Christopher, I mean, you know, what do you think I should do? I mean,

what do you think I should do with this Abdul Carter thing? And this is my dad voice, right? Because it's kind of, well, you know, I, you know, and I go, I mean, dad, I mean, it's up to you. I mean, this is your Jersey. This is, this is like, it's your life, man. And he said, well, you know, me, I mean, I don't really give a shit, this is your Jersey. This is this is like, it's your life, man. And he's like, well, you know me. I mean, I don't really give a **** about this type of stuff. I don't give a **** I mean, I you know, and I like this kid. I think he's gonna be a damn good player, right? And my dad also is let's just not forget he's he's a giant through and

through. He still goes down to the facility down there and hangs out. They're probably like, why are you here? But he still goes down, right? Yeah. Can I watch some film? And they're like, why? Like, what are you doing? You don't talk. He's big. That's why. Yeah. He's just like, I don't know. I live football. That's what I do. So he's kind of into that and he's talking. So we're talking. And one of the things I bring up right off the bat, because I'm thinking about my dad, is I just go, well, if you do give the number, I do think it's going to be cool. People are are gonna bring up your name every time he gets a sack and do that and your memory Will live on that way. So there is something cool about that and he was again. I agree. I agree

I like all that I like all that and I was like well the first thing you need to do though Is you got to call Lawrence you got to call LT? Because you don't want to make it look like you're showing him up and piss him off here like oh you didn't give him his Number, but I'm cool. I will. You know, so he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. I'll call him later today. I'll get that figured out. You're right. I don't want to do that. As I say that, he's like, hey, I got to go.

I got to answer this. He hangs up a few minutes later. He calls back. Hey, what's going on? What do you think? You know, that was Joe Shane. That was Joe Shane. And he's talking to me about the Jersey's number, you know, and my number stays retired. And no matter what he does, you know, like, yeah, I know, dad, I know. Okay. So we kind of go through it. We talk a little bit more. I'm like, Hey, so there will be like a press conference.

Yeah, I think we're gonna have a press conference and he'll I'll hand him the Jersey. And I was, you know, I was like, all right, cool. And you can make a comment like, yeah, Lawrence Taylor is one of the greatest of all time. He shouldn't give his Jersey number away. I'm just a giant great and I'm willing to do it and blah, blah, blah. And he's like, oh yeah, that's a great way to do it. I should do that. That's cool. That's cool. So end the conversation, see you dad. All right. I'll talk to you later. A few hours go by. Now it gets interesting because I get a call about 4pm and it's my sister Deirdre. And you know, a few hours go by, now it gets interesting,

because I get a call about 4 PM and it's my sister Deirdre, and you don't know Deirdre, but anybody that knows my family know Deirdre is a force to be reckoned with in the Sims family. Okay? She is a force.

Mikey, get her on the pod, okay? I'm sending the email as we're talking. Right. She is a handful. And when she gets determined, you haven't. When she gets determined, she's like Phil Sims in Super Bowl 21, so you better watch out, OK? She can go 22 or 25, depending on what that is, all right? So she called, Christopher, what do you think?

Should dad give his number? I'm making fun of how she talks, but she was very abrupt when she was calling. What do you think? And I was like, well I'm making fun of how she talks, but she was very abrupt when she was calling. What do you think? And I was like, well, I think it's kind of cool. What? I thought you were going to be on my side. Okay, Christopher, see you later.

I don't want to talk to you anymore. And she hangs up the phone. I was like, oh, wow. Okay. I was like, uh-oh, there's a civil war going on in the house right now. She didn't get the answer she wanted from you. I mean, She said the hell with that.

So then I leave it alone. I text my group here at NBC, the people that handle my social media and help me. And I was like, Hey, I think my dad's going to give this number to Abdul Carter. Let's have something ready to put it out there. So they get it all ready. And then they're like, Hey, it's ready. Is this okay with you? Can we put this out? And I was like, wait, just let me a hundred percent confirm this is going down. Cause of course I had that conversation with my sister and I'm going, well, I've seen how these things go before. And when she starts to act like this, she gets her way, right? I text my dad like, hey, is this going to happen with Abdul Quartier?

Man, I don't know. Your sister is going crazy. I don't know if I could deal with this. And your mom ain't very happy either. Right. And I'm going, Oh no, now mom's in it too. So damn, like I don't give a damn how many votes we got in the family. Nobody's going to be able to outvote mom and sister. That's just not going to happen. So it goes by dad goes dark on me. He doesn't even answer. He sends me a few texts from people around the NFL and all that. Basically like, man, I'm getting a lot of blowback. Like people don't think I should give this number away. I'm shocked at how many people are coming at me like

this, right? So nothing happens. I don't see anything. I go out to dinner with the wife and then all of a sudden I see Gary Myers, right? He tweets out what Phil Simms says he's not giving Jersey number away. He's been outvoted by the family and I just looked at my wife. I laughed, I giggled, I was like, man, look at Deirdre and dirty Diana, which is I call my mom. They won, that's all over. And that was all she wrote. And then my dad, they flew on a family vacation.

So he's not even here to tell the story. And I had to tell him the last two days. Yeah, you had to tell it, right? He leaves it with you, right? Of course. He threw the family under the story and I've got to tell it in the last few days. Yeah, you had to tell it, right? He leaves it with you, right? He threw the family under the bus and left. He leaves the family in his wake. He was like, yeah, he's like, I'm not dealing with this crap. I'm out of here. Right? Wait, wait. So Mikey, there was no

official vote. Okay. It came down to Deirdre and it came down to Dirty Diana and get her on the podcast as well. You don't have to vote. When he just told me the two people that didn't want the jury, I was like, all right, there's no need for it. There's no need to step in to win. I get it. Right. Because Mike wanted to know how the vote went down and who you voted for. He wanted all the details. I picture it like an MSL survivor where you guys are holding up. I can he can give it away. Does Phil know who voted for who? Yeah, I don't know what my, I think my brother was also with my sister and my mom. I don't know that for sure, but I got that gist from family, excuse me, family texts. But all in all, yeah, there was no official vote.

There didn't need to be one. He's had many instances in his life where he's gone against mom and Deirdre before and that has not worked well for him for months after that, years after that. So I think he's learned his lesson. Don't mess with that again. I love that you were thinking about LT because you know how important that relationship is to your dad. Yes, I did. I did. Well, I'm always, I'm a thinker that way. Anyways, I'm a little analytical and I know my dad and LT have a special relationship. LT is special to my dad and I know that. And yes, we totally understand LT's point of view and all that to get it a hundred percent. But yeah,

I certainly didn't want him to come off like he was offending L.T. And I know he didn't want that or would never want that. So I just felt like I had to spit that out of my mouth a little bit there. So in a hypothetical world, let's say, Joe Burrow was traded to the Giants and he wants a fresh start with a fresh number

and that number is number 11. How do you think Deidre and Dirty Diana are voting on that one? Damn, well, I mean, Joe, I mean, hey, Joe's so handsome and cute. He might be able to come over and work some charm with dirty. He was at the Met Gala. I mean, he might have to tell my sister, hey, divorce your husband and marry me and then I'll give you the, and then we can do it. And she'd be like, fine. A dad, give him the number, dad. But no, I don't think anything would really work.

I ultimately with, with, uh, my mom and my sister, PFT with Mike Floreo every day on Peacock, the unbuttoned podcast, football night in America. Oh, it's coming back. Sims we're getting there. We are slowly getting there. Uh, what'd you make, uh, speaking of the giants Giants, what'd you make of them passing out your door and ended up taking Jackson Dart moved up to get Jackson Dart in the first round. Well, I was not surprised by any of this. I know

we haven't talked. I know you guys don't sit here and watch me on PFT or my podcast like on a regular basis and I don't actually do. All right. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. But either way with Chidor, I feel like I was at the forefront about six weeks before the draft. I came on PFT one morning with Floreo just by what I had seen on film, what I had studied. And just, again, I don't have like early on in the process, nobody's telling me. They don't want to tell me what they think or whatever, but you can feel vibes. And I came on one Monday morning and I was like, man, Chador Sanders, it's going to be the story of the draft. And you know, Mike Foria was kind of like, well, why, what do

you mean? And I was like, well, one, the Saints are the Steelers. If they don't pick him, where's he going? What's going to happen? Like I never thought the Giants at number three were going to do it, especially after I watched film. And then when they got Russell Wilson and James Winston, I just went, wait, this just doesn't seem like the Giants type of thing. Russell Wilson, James Winston and Chedur Sanders, just a total like drama club type of thing at the quarterback position. That doesn't seem their type of move. So I didn't buy that. But yeah, the vibes I was getting to from the league is that nobody was in love with any of these quarterbacks except for Cam Warp.

That's what I got. So I had kind of been saying that. And I wasn't surprised the Giants, of course, passed them up a three. And didn't think the Giants would take them anywhere else later in the round. I didn't think that's the vibes I got. And so there and all, the Giants draft, I really liked it.

I don't love Jackson Dart. I'm not gonna sit here and lie just because he's a giant that I'm like, oh yes, we got the guy. I hope I'm wrong. I like a lot about him. I like the human. I like that he knows how to play the position and do a lot of the things you need as a quarterback.

Am I in love with his talent? No. Would I wanna be a GM to go, wait wait Jackson darts my guy for the next six or seven years? No, it would not. And again, I hope I'm wrong, but I did love the rest of the draft. That was the one aspect I go. I don't know if they needed to trade it up to get him. The Rams weren't taking a quarterback. They weren't going to do that there. I don't know if they needed that, but either

way, they got a guy they believe in and the rest of the draft. I thought they kicked ass in. Listen, you have to have confidence in the two guys who moved up to get Justin Dart the same two guys who moved up to get Josh Allen. So at least you have that going for you there. I hear you there. You know, you're exactly right. I got you and I don't over judge stuff like that too much because I go wait if they believe in them and they think it I can get behind it, right right I just from you know me I'm a little bit

of a quarterback that's a sucker for big-time skills like a Josh Allen that's why I defended him till my face was blue when he was coming out in the draft I saw wait he does the quarterback things they're better than what everybody's trying to say the team wasn't very good but holy can he run Holy is that the best arm I've ever seen in my life. And you're not going to say that with Jackson Dart. So yeah, with Chidur Sanders, I had said from the start, I would not want to take him in the top 10. I would not want to take him in the top 20.

I kind of thought he was the end of the first round type of quarterback, right? The talent by him, Shook or Jackson Dart wasn't like, oh, wow. Oh, my gosh. This is like popping off the screen. There was a lot of good there. But of course, we know between the talent not matching up to what the public thought it was,

unqualified people making qualifying statements, the hype around him, and then also the way he handled the pre-draft process and kind of disrespecting the process, and then you get to a point where, wait, okay, he's falling down the board. Yeah, well, we'd like to draft him. He's high on our board, but he's going to be our third string quarterback. And now there's the human element of, wait, it's going to overtake our team. Even though we're drafting a third string quarterback, this is all anybody's going to talk about. Cleveland had a great draft. All we talk quarterback, this is all anybody's going to talk about.

Cleveland had a great draft. All we talk about is one guy. That's all we talk about. And that's where it snowballs out of control and you end up in the fifth round. Is there an NFL roster here in the off season that where you look at it and you're like, wow, they got a lot better?

There's two that really pop to me. The Patriots, number one. I mean, you just look at the Patriots and you go, yeah, we got Milton Williams, we got Carlton type of guy. They got Trevion Henderson, who's got three rockets up his ass and can make a lot of big plays. They got one of my favorite receivers in the draft and Kyle Williams. So yeah, I think they killed it. And the Bears would be the other team that I'd say killed it. The Bears, again, acquired Ben Johnson, acquired Dennis Allen

as a D coordinator, who I think is phenomenal at that part of his job for sure. You can say all you want about the head coach. They fixed the interior part of the offensive line. And then the draft, they get a Colson Loveland, who's phenomenal, like a Sam Laporta, but even better. You get a Luther Burden, who's like a DJ Moore. Like I look at the Bears and go, yeah, they made their team, the Patriots and the Bears are the two teams in each conference here that I would say won the off season. I dare you to try to get me and Mikey A excited

about Justin Fields. Oh, you can't just. You can't, if you listen. Again, you might be dumb. Right, yeah. I get it a lot. I literally walked down the streets of New York and people are like, hey, Justin Fields, should we be excited? And I'm like, yeah, it's good, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't that. That's what I do like. They're gonna be, they're gonna model Detroit. Everything that you've seen so far is modeling Detroit

to a degree here. It's we're gonna get bigger, we're gonna be physical, they're gonna run the ball. The one thing I like about Justin Fields is he is a fearless competitor, he's tough as hell. The throwing still needs to get better, we know that, but I think they're also looking at it like we're trying to replicate Jared Goff 2.0. First stop and stuff, maybe not all that great, but we're

going to take advantage of them. We think we can improve them and make the team around them better and get the best out of them. And that, that I can be hopeful for if I'm a jet fan. I have a question. We're entering year five. Oh my oh wait a second. I have a question. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out.

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numbers to rookies. Jeez Louise Geez, first off your hat's stupid. Okay, your face is stupid Chris Sims second off I mean look you you showed up late You're kind of coming disrespectful to a guy who just do the will of just the nice person comes on here and does it? You don't employ me really right you're sitting there I can tell. What are you in commercial breaks? Are you trying to fit me in real quick here? Yeah, I can tell. You're looking up at the screen like how many seconds we got left? Where's Dan? I don't want to get yelled at.

I know. Yeah, exactly. Now, I understand you, you know, respecting Dan over Stu Gotzmore. I get that. It's more fear, I think. I feel disrespected. Yes. Yes. Speaking of which, I need to go now. You chose Levitore over, you chose Levitore over Sims and he's not happy about it. Oh, Chris, you know, listen to me. If we were on a deserted island and it was Chris Sims on one side and Dan Levitore on the other side and I had to choose one to die with, I would choose to die with you. Oh, that's so nice.

Oh, that I appreciate. I don't know why that, why do we got to die? Well, come on. What are we that why do we got to die? What are we gonna do on an island together over there? You know what I'm going to go with Sims and just eat lebaton I mean feed you for a lifetime how we could hunt I feel like me and Chris would go we'd be like the first couple days We like can we build a raft we can and then we get over that whole will he won't he? Situation and then well, you know, we'll probably hook up a little bit and then like we'll go and fight I'm not going down like that see that's right that's why you're a Marlin fan and all that you're just used to losing I mean oh I'm

sorry Chris Sims has had such a rough life as a Yankees fan and son of Phil Sims who's had everything handed to him and poor guy lives on the richest street in America but he doesn't have a gate get out of here guy you lost this how hard you work please he's coming in hot today he's coming in hot Richest street in America, but he doesn't have a gate get out of here guy. He lost his Anger to unleash on you I've missed you You can die together, but you can't wear number 11 while you do exactly right? That's right. You missed that story because you ditched us, so I'm not telling it again No, I actually heard it on your show. So I was like, we're still going to have him on.

Do repeats. He tells a good story on his show. So your sister. What the hell are you wasting my time on? So your sister and your mom, huh? They like rule your haircut. They rule whether or not you can give away family numbers. It's pretty powerful. Oh, yeah, they're powerful, right?

I mean, they are. They don't rule my hair, though. I mean, you see they don't like my hair. And you can see that that is not that's not happening. But like one day I hope you to meet Deirdre Deirdre anybody like I told the guys here earlier if you met her or knew our family everybody knows how that conversation went down and then you get dirty Diana involved as her backup singer there and watch out Billy. The best part is is he gone to Billy leave? He's I'm still here. the I saw them. His shock values worn off on me, Chris Sims. You don't surprise me anymore.

See you later. Get out of here. Bye. Go die together. Bye. See you later. Why are we dying together? What's the matter with them?

Chris Sims, final question on the way out. We have a couple of quick ones. Would you be shocked, OK? Would you be shocked if Bryce Young finished top 10 in QBR this coming season? I'll say yes. Yes. I mean, again, it wouldn't be like the most shocking, like wow.

But yeah, I'd still be shocked. I would. I would. We ended it off year well. It was all positive there. So I still got questions. But I do think he'll be better. But top 10, yeah, I'd say I'd be shocked, yes.

Would you be shocked if the Bengals win the Super Bowl? No. Yes. Would you be shocked if the Bengals win the Super Bowl? No, no, I won't. You know, no, I can't. I mean, again, I got made fun of last year because I picked the Bengals to go to the Super Bowl. You know that, right? Yeah. And I laugh because as we got to the last two weeks in football night in America, Jason Garrett and Devin McCordy kept going, football night in America, Jason Garrett and Devin McCordy kept going. If Cincinnati gets in, they might go to the Superbowl, right? And they kept looking at me while they were saying, I'm like, Oh yeah, you were making fun of me in the first 10 weeks. And now it's like, Oh, don't let them in. And they're so, but yes, with Joe burrow and that they, they're not a perfect team and they need to help their defense a little here still, but their offense and he's good enough at quarterback

to carry that team. I think so. Would you be shocked if the Bears made the playoffs? Nope, definitely not. In that division? I know, no, I know, but I'm still not gonna, I'm gonna say no even though yes I hear you that division's real for sure but I think the team and the coaching is good enough to where I just go no, I wouldn't be shocked. I would not. OK. Would you be shocked if the Detroit Lions missed the playoffs? Yeah, I'd be shocked. Wow.

OK. Totally shocked there. Hey, what we saw in the NFL draft, we know it's a copycat league. And the league is copying the Eagles, of course, the Baltimore Ravens, and the Detroit Lions, and I would even say the 49ers when they were going to Super Bowls in one of the powers.

The league has shifted to size, right? Like they have gone, the hell with like, oh, we're gonna be real fast at all these positions. We're gonna be big everywhere. They're following the Eagles mold or Detroit's mold or Baltimore. Those are the, they've been the three best teams in football over the last two three years and the 49ers of course were built on that too. Big offensive line

unbelievably big defensive line. You're seeing the league go that way. Detroit has got no holes on their roster except you'd like to see one more pass rusher. That's the only thing you can look at and go ah I wish they were better there. Everything else is pretty damn good. All right last question what the is going on with Belichick? I mean, what's happening there? I don't even know. I mean, it's it's crazy. It is crazy, man. I mean, yeah, Dan Patrick asked me this the other day. And he's like, What would you say? And I'd be like, you know, who are you? And what did you do with Bill Belichick is what I would say with him or

any of the North Carolina people down there. But yeah, it's just it's odd. It's it's all just seemed a little, you know, I've used the word hypocritical over the last year or so. And for a guy that I know would be making fun of some other coach 10 years ago, if they were doing some of the things he's doing now that he's doing it and becoming a distraction and just some of the other stuff. But it's yeah, it just doesn't seem very Bill Belichick like. You seem disappointed actually. I am. You know how much I think you've heard me through the years. He's the greatest coach in the history of football. He's

one of the greatest coaches in the history of anything, right? But I do think he's lost a little bit of his football morals and some of the things he's relied on and all that. And yeah, he's a guy that, you know, always scoffed at distractions. He's got a distractions. He, you know, scoffs at disrespect and he wears a sweatshirt with a hole in it on Sunday morning. And I was like, no, Navy sells new sweatshirts. I checked. And you have the money to buy them. So let's stop that. I'm so sick of that crap. He scoffs at Taylor Swift when she comes on the TV.

And I want to go, what? You mean a world billionaire self-made? What a story. But he expects us not to scoff every time he's on and we see his girlfriend. There's just so many things. He doesn't like the media, but yet then he goes on a year-long media tour and criticizes every coach and his guy that replaced him in New England and all that. It just doesn't seem like anything Bill Belichick ever sold to his team, and here he is doing all the opposite things, all the things he says to his team not to do, he's doing. And that's what I don't get right now. Sims, I don't care about the facial hair. You are in mid season four, my friend.

I mean, you are letting it fly. You know it. I just try to stay in shape. I gotta stay in shape all the time of the year, right? We appreciate it, man. PFT with Mike Florio every day on Peacock, the Unbuttoned podcast as well, Football Night America. He is our favorite guest here on God Bless Football.

It is Christopher Sims. I am so happy you told the story about Dirty Diana and Deidre, thank you. Oh, yeah, yeah. our favorite guest here on God Bless Football. It is Christopher Sims. I am so happy you told the story about Dirty Diana and Deidre. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We keep having out more. I'll tell you more Dirty Diana

stories. We got a lot of them. Don't worry. She's going to be on with us weekly. Sims get out of here. We appreciate it. Thank you as always, man. See you guys. Peace out. the Nice of you to join us Billy. Hey, I'm back. By the way, we're presented by smirnoff We do game days, please drink responsibly this weird off company in New York, New York We will get some more Mike Lee here in a second, but Billy is watching the 1980 draft I believe that he is doing so a laughing out loud here during our break What is happening with you right now Billy? So I we were going through the 2000 NFL draft and saw

So we were going through the 2000 NFL draft and saw Janukowsky was drafted at 17th overall first round pick by the Raiders. So I decided to look up to see if I could find video of the NFL draft when he was selected. And I did. And much to my surprise, the Raiders fans who were dressed in like their, you know, road warrior pads with the spikes and the silver face paint and all that seems very excited about the fact that they drafted a kicker with this number 17 overall pick and Berman is doing his best to sell this as a great pick. Called them the Polish powder keg.

Then it was telling us about Ray Guy and what a great move this was. And when I was saying this in the break and I was saying how ridiculous I thought that this was that he was taking number 17 overall, I was met with a strange level of defense of Sebastian Chanakowsky saying, well, he did everything he was asked to do. There was actually a great pick for them. And I was like, not at 17. I didn't say it was a good pick. I didn't say he was asked to do. There was actually a great pick for them. And I was like, Matt, at 17. I didn't say it was a good pick.

I didn't say it was a good pick. I said he did what he was supposed to do. He's a kicker. He kicks the field. It's not his fault. He got drafted by terrible. Was that an Al Davis? I was one of that final.

I don't know. It's not his fault. But Billy's point is the Raiders could have had him three rounds later. I know exactly. But that's the Raiders fault. That's not his fault. Like the six.

You know what? It's only his fault. He was too good. It was too good. He was too good. Billy, you was he surprised when he got picked? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, he got picked. Yeah.

You'd be shocked to find out. I don't see him walking out on a stage receiving a jersey. Right. Well, who went 19th in that draft? Who went right after Sebastian Janikowski? So he was 17 18 yes was Chad Pennington with the Jets you think the Jets were like you think the Jets were like damn we missed out on a career yeah who had a better career Pettigton or Sebastian Janikowski good question I mean Mikey he was the runner

up MVP one year Pennington was Pennington was a at best good quarterback I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I the first round. It's like Janikowski but you guys are like Billy's laughing at it because it's a ridiculous thing to do to select a kicker in the first round and you guys are defending Janikowski like he's part of your family. It's so strange. I don't understand it by the

way right after Chad Pennington with the 19th pick Sean Alexander. Oh man. Yeah. He had two thousand yards once he's here. Oh yeah. I was about to say he he wrote that season for years. He wrote that season for years. He did his job. Yeah. One year. Janikaski was coming off a year in which he won the Lou Groza award. I mean. Oh thank you. Great. Billy will never come around on that. You could give him the Heisman award. I'd be like, yeah, okay. The third maybe.

Yeah. Do we have some more Mikelys here to close out the show, Mikey A? Ooh, more Mikelys? Did you say more Mikelys? Sure, more Mikelys? Presented by Smyrnaf, the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly. That is what he said. Yeah. Okay. That is what he said. Mikey A, have you noticed that we're hosting the show with Bobby Petrino today?

I have noticed. I mean, I don't know what you're doing. It's got a neck brace on. You got a neck brace on. the show with Bobby Petrino the more Mike Lee's. Let's get to him here. Alright, more Mike Lee to be picking number one next year. Giants, Saints, Titans, or Browns. Wow. Giants, Saints, Titans, Browns. Giants. I'm going to say the Saints. I'm

going to say the Saints. Uh the Browns are going to be okay. They're not going to be so bad that they're not going to have that they're going to have the number one overall pick. I think the Giants are going to be improved. You guys like the Giants. I think the Giants are going to be good this year. Actually, I do. Oh, I don't know.

I don't at all. That's my pick. I think they'd be good enough to not get the number one pick, but that's it. Yeah, I don't think they're going to be good Yeah, I don't think they're gonna be good, but I don't think they're gonna be the worst. I don't think Russell Wilson is a 14 loss guy yet. All right, so I'm taking the Saints here.

Who are you going with, Billy? Just to be different from you, I will go with the Browns, only because I wanna see how long the Browns decide to not play Shador before they realize, okay, maybe we should they realize, okay, maybe, maybe we should like, okay, because also, you know what, now arguing against myself. Yeah. Flacco is good enough to win you three games.

The Browns did the thing I've been asking NFL teams to do. They got all the NFL, any available quarterback is on their roster now. Yeah, it's true. Yes. I think the problem is, is that I think you win this game through Gots with the Saints because I don't know that without Derek Carr, I don't know what we're gonna be doing over there in New Orleans.

I believe in Tyler Shuck. No, I don't. Do you? I do. They also have Spencer Ratliff as Chris Sims calls it. Ratliff, oh Ratliff. Yeah. As long as you got it.

I'll believe in Sh Chuck in three years. I'm going with the Saints here. Yeah. All right. Also, in three years, he'll be 40. That's a good point. He's a 26 year old rookie. All right. You have another one for us. I do. More likely to repeat as champs. The Philadelphia Eagles or the Ohio State Buckeyes?

Wow. Um. We don't ignore college football and God bless football. No, we we never do. Uh I'm gonna say who has a better chance? More likely to repeat as champs. I'm gonna say the Eagles are more likely to repeat his chance. I'm gonna say the Buckeyes. Really? Yeah, the Buckeyes, they're like basically guaranteed to playoff every year, where they don't have to go through Patrick Mahomes. They don't have to go through all these,

or Josh Allen, or whoever they end up in the Super Bowl with. Right. Yeah, but the Eagles have already gone through Patrick Mahomes and almost went through him twice. Yeah, but they had that weird perfect storm at defense that I don't know if you can replicate it every single year. The thing with the Buckeyes that it could be an argument for or against, right, with the Buckeyes, that it could be an argument for or against, right, is the Buckeyes, if it was not a 12-team playoff,

would not have won the national championship last year, right, they probably wouldn't have even made the playoff. So that could be an argument for them in that they could still be there, or an argument against them in that some random team can just get hot and win the playoffs and they lose one game. I'll go with the Eagles. Alright. Eagles, Eagles, Ohio State. God bless football, fellas.

God bless football.