The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - GBF- One Last Boys Trip to Vegas

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Billy, Mikey A and Fuentes play everyone's favorite game: Headlines! Are we setting up for all the former Seattle players to wind up in Vegas for one more run with Pete Carroll? A game of More Mikely has us questioning Travis Hunter's future in the NFL. What has happened to Hard Knocks that now they can't even get a college team to do it. And Billy asks the all important question: which NFL coach would you least like to be on a plane with? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. God bless football, Mike Yang. God bless football, Fuentes. God bless football, Mikey. God bless football, Fuentes. God bless football, Billy Gill. Thank you, Mike Fuentes. Guys, fans, audience, friends. Today's episode of God bless football is presented by DraftKings.

DraftKings, the crown is yours. I think I need to work on the God bless football at the beginning because when I ask it or when I say it, it sounds like I'm asking a question. Like I'm kind of curious. Like does God bless football? Like, I don't know. So I think I need to work on that.

This is a new segment that we call notes. So I think I need to work on that, but also I don't really want to have like the same energy as Stu gots when he starts the show or he does the God bless football, because like, if I'm gonna be honest, it's kind of a little bit annoying, right? So like I've been thinking.

Can I have that energy? Can Billy Gill have that type of energy? Because I just don't see it. Yeah. Can I summon like a God bless football? Yeah, see that's that's yeah, see that's that's that's not it. Yeah, see, because that's a mocking version. Yeah, Stu.

But that's not. Yes, the way Stu does it, it's like this long thing to get you going. But then you're doing it the way you're used to getting it from Stu, so you just do it really fast, because Stu has already done the long part. So like you kind of got to mimic Stu's cadence, so then Mike can give a fast one, I give a fast one, and then we're back to you. But I don't, if I'm going to be honest, I don't like it. I don't like the start like that. I just like to start like a regular thing like the God bless football. You know what I mean?

It's like, it's fine, but like, I don't know. Well, so if we're doing notes here, which it looks like we are, it sounds to me like you shouldn't do it the way Stu does it, but you should do it differently than the way you are doing it. Okay, all right.

Constructive criticism. I'll take it. So uh so just hey don't do what stugatz does because you're not capable of that and also don't do what you're doing because it's terrible so just be better all around no one use the word terrible but you but okay it was implied which is fine uh okay here we are first week of of March and our training camp has begun in terms of what we need to work on on this off season, how we're gonna make this show better. And it's really just eliminating me.

It sounds like I'll just get out of the way and we'll have a much better show moving forward. So we have more Michaelis to get to later. I have a new game that I wanna play at the end of this show and I'll tell you the name of the game and see if you can figure out how this game works. The name of the game that we're gonna be playing later in the show is,

Who's the Worst Coach to Be on a Plane With? And I'm not gonna give you the details of how that game is gonna work later on. You guys can see if you can figure it out and maybe play a game at home yourself and see if you can guess exactly what that segment is. But that's not going to be this segment. Next segment is more Mike Leary. I already teased that. And on the TV side, we're going to be hearing from our friend Matthew Barry. We sat down with

him at the Super Bowl. And to be honest with you, we talked very little football with Matthew Barry. We kind of got deep with him. We found out something about him that we didn't know. We found out a dream of his and just kind of sort of his finances I guess and what he's willing to pay for certain things that he likes. But before we get to all of that, it's time for our favorite segment that we do every single week. This first segment of the show. Say it with me, guys. Headlines. Headlines.

Headlines. We do it every week, I guess. We do it every week right around this time. It's called Headlines. Who brings us headlines? Headlines. Somebody bring us headlines? Headlines is brought to us by Smyrnaf, presented by Smyrnaf, I should say.

The world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly. The Smyrnaf, presented by Smyrnaf I should say, the world's number one vodka, please drink responsibly, the Smyrnaf company, New York, New York. They actually didn't sponsor Headlines, they sponsored another segment later on, but you know what, this week, Headlines, brought to you by Smyrnaf. Now that we're taking notes and we're talking this through, I have a new name for this segment that I want to run by you guys, and promise we'll get to headlines in just a second Fuentes, I think that you might like this name Mikey. I'm not sure if you'll like this. Sorry Mike. That's uh, that's okay Yeah, I'm Mikey. It's okay. I've accepted my fate. I'm like what if we what if we call this segment headline

Day and we give you all the headlines because Stugats during Deadline Day, a basketball in the NFL will do this whole Deadline Day thing. No? Okay, we'll move on. We won't do that. So it's gonna be called Headlines then. Headlines presented by Sperernoff, the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly.

This is how it's gonna work for those of you who are new to the program and haven't seen us play Headlines every single week. I'm gonna read you some headlines and then we're gonna get some thoughts, okay? Does that work for you guys? Let's do it. All right, first headline,

Max Crosby has signed an extension. So that has now taken Max Crosby out of the trade talks and he will be returning to the Raiders next season. Guys, initial thoughts on Max Crosby and also what does this do for Miles Garrett? Well, Max Cross, that's it's a ridiculous contract extension. He got three years 106.5 million dollars highest paid non quarterback in the NFL at least for the week free agency starts next week and then we'll see.

I mean, he is their entire defense and he's kind of their identity, but it doesn't really matter if you're not gonna fix the Aiden O'Connell problem. I mean, what is Max having Max Crosby do for you if you can't do anything offensively? Are the Raiders gonna be good? like what is the timeline on the Raiders getting good because We have they now have locked in Max Crosby, which is good, right? Like and they've given him a ton of money It's good in the sense that like okay. This is our guy. We're not gonna let him go We're gonna build around him

but also you're giving him a ton of money, which is taking away money that you could use to kind of better your team elsewhere. And to your point, like at the quarterback position, if you're giving him this money, are you planning on going younger at quarterback and not throwing a bajillion dollars at an established quarterback, a la Matthew Stafford, who by the way, also headline number two, which I guess we'll get in here. Matthew Stafford staying put, he's not going to the Jets, he's not going anywhere else,

but also he's not going to the Raiders, so they still need a quarterback, which would have been a nice fit for the Raiders, looking for a quarterback. Back to your thing, now that we're thinking about a three-year Max Crosby deal, I think you just kind of pointed out that they tipped their hand a little bit, because they're picking six.

They'd have to trade up to get one of the top two quarterbacks in this draft. So do you think you're going to have enough to win something with Max Crosby plus unknown quarterback in the next three years? They have to be going for a veteran. I can't even name a receiver of theirs outside Jacoby Myers. I guess Brock Bowers. But is that going to be good enough in the next three years that have to be going for a veteran. I can't even name a receiver of there's outside Jacoby Myers. I guess Brock Bowers, but is that going

to be good enough in the next three years to win anything? It just seems like kind of stick around Max be our marketable player for the next few years. I don't know. I hate to point out the obvious here, but when we talk about an established veteran who's available who who are we talking about Kirk cousin, baby. Are we talking about okay Kirk Cousins who was so awful last year that that he got benched for Michael Pennex? How about how about Sam Darnold? Is that is that the established veteran we're talking about or are we going to do the obvious

thing and connect the dots and bring Russell Wilson back to Pete Carroll and join them up in Vegas? And then you go, was Russell Wilson good or was like the Steelers defense and Mike Tomlin finding a way to win ugly games the reason that they were good. They just seem to be in a pretty bad spot in terms of quarterbacks, right? Because we'd have to look at the cap,

but like if you're giving Max Crosby this deal, you're not gonna pay a quarterback 40 million, $50 million a year. You're going to have to settle on a quarterback that's going to be okay, I guess, and then hope that you have a Sam Darnold year out of someone. What weapons do the Raiders have? They don't have Justin Jefferson. They don't have the same weapons as the Vikings. Sam Darnold, even if you get actually Sam Darnarnold not a Sam Darnold 2.0 which is a

crazy sentence but like if you get actual Sam Darnold he won't be Sam Darnold in Las Vegas either. Let me ask you a question. Have the Raiders are the Raiders are we spoiled with the way the quarterbacks have moved the last few years that the Raiders think it's going to happen again? Only this year it's not like in the past few years we saw Aaron Rodgers move teams. We saw Tom Brady move teams. We saw Matt Stafford move teams. We saw Russell Wilson move teams twice. We've seen all these guys that you're like, Oh man, if we had that guy, we'd be good. And then I think it just kind of stopped this year. I don't think there's anybody coming this year that would make you go, all right, now we're over the hump. Oddly enough, Stafford seemed like he was going to be that guy for someone. And the Giants thought that they were going to get Matthew Stafford and they were going to have their quarterback solution.

And now the Giants plan seems to be, you know what? Aaron Rodgers sounds like Aaron Rodgers might work. We could try. We could try Aaron. What's the pitch there? You don't have to move. I don't hire a moving company. Is that the pitch?

I think the pitch to Aaron Rodgers is you don't have to move. And so, Hey, you want to play football, right? Cause this is so hey you want to play football right because this is it you want to play football you want to start this is the only spot so you mean you can't you can't see you can't see Aaron Rodgers in a little black and silver out there in Vegas Devante Adams goes back to his old house so let me ask I mean the Devante Adams thing didn't really work last year right Devante Adams was fantastic for the Jets they were terrible he had some games yeah he ask I mean the Devontae Adams thing didn't really work last year right? Devontae Adams was fantastic for the Jets they were terrible. He had some games. Yeah he had some games

there with old Aaron. You see him going back to Las Vegas like I don't think that was like a happy ending there. I don't think he really cares. New regime though. It's new regime, it's new everything. Okay hold on a second because now in the segment that we like to call headlines I have another twist I first of all I don't think that Tom Brady will bring Aaron Rodgers in to be his quarterback if we're gonna be honest but like that's that's a whole nother thing but here's how great to bring in Tom Brady hmm this is the whole hypotheticals now. Here's a twist. Here's a twist and it's another headline DJ Metcalf demands

DK Metcalf demands a trade What if he goes to Las Vegas Pete Carroll's there nights with Pete Carroll, then you have weapons Then maybe you bring in an Aaron Rodgers and Devonte Adams. So you have Devonte Adams, DK Metcalf, some call him DJ, and Aaron Rodgers, Max Crosby is still there. I mean, now we're cooking with gas.

Does DK Metcalf move the needle? I mean, like, did he move the needle in Seattle like It's essentially the same team It's essentially the same thing. Yeah people love okay. How about this people love that though? They love the reunion thing They love it. I have an idea okay, so you don't get Aaron, but you get DK Metcalf Pete Carroll's there, and you say what you know what? Russ one last ride Reunite in Vegas you reunite all of the Seahawks in Vegas you call Richard Sherman say hey

Richard what are you up to you want to come over here? Richard Sherman over there, maybe see if beast mode has one last ride in him. So in last last ride So you're saying is and he was a Raider already So it's double one final even though even though I think about it Yeah, one final boys trip in Vegas is what you're saying the last boys trip I think you do a boys trip in you do a boys trip in Vegas and you say you know what and they have they have A meeting and they say you know what? And they have a meeting and they say, you know what, guys? We're not gonna be good, but we're gonna have fun.

Does it move the needle for anyone? Okay. Maybe a few Seahawks fans out there like that. All right, that was headlines. We still have half our headlines because we just went off on a hypothetical about reuniting the Seahawks in Las Vegas next year when we come back We're gonna play a game

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I'll just read you the headlines and then you can say yeah or like no. I'll keep it under five words. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joey Bosa was released by the Chargers. Goodbye. Okay. T Higgins has been franchise tag. He is now gonna be making $26.2 million

to be the Bengals number two receiver. What are they doing? Yeah, I think if you look down here at the Dolphins situation where Waddle was one of the top ten paid quarterbacks as the number two receiver and then Tyree Kill kind of fell off this year and you could say injuries, injuries whatever it was a recipe for disaster and I feel like the Bengals are replicating this recipe for disaster and unfortunately if last year was any indication second half of last season the Bengals turned around and figured it out but whatever they're doing is not working right now and Joe Burrow can't

save them from them. And Jamar Chase wants a new contract and he deserves to be probably the highest paid if not top two wide receiver in football. And now you're just gonna go ahead and pay his number to $26.5 million. Yeah. You're just like, what are you doing?

You just lost Sam Hubbard who retired unexpectedly out of nowhere. So your defense, which was the worst in the league, or at least up there last year, now just lost its lone piece that was worth a damn. We saw a similar situation also last year in San Francisco with Brandon Iyuk getting the deal, holding out eventually,

eventually getting the exact same deal that he was holding out against. Came back, he basically became their number one when they got rid of Debo this offseason and Debo's numbers were down last year. So they trade him over to the commanders. Iuke, injuries did not have a great season. It also didn't work out. So it seems like this trend of paying two wide receivers a ton of money has not really been working in teams favors, but hey, you know what? Maybe the Bengals are the ones smart enough to fix it. We'll see.

By the way, like the wrong time for wide receivers to demand a trade, considering how saturated the market is with wide receivers, this free agency. I mean, Chris Godwin, Devonte Adams, Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper, Stephon Diggs, Hollywood Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, Brandon Cooks, not to mention Cooper Cup is available for trade. It's, Debo Samuel's already been traded.

Probably not the best time to be like, pay me. You know what we didn't discuss in headlines? Saquon Barkley got paid, got paid, and he got paid two years after we entirely wrote off running backs getting paid ever again. One year after there was a plethora of running backs available, including our friend Austin Eckler,

where it was like crazy, like all of a sudden, every running back is switching teams. Derek Henry is on a new team, Austin Eckler's on, everyone's just moving back and forth. Saquon ends up switching teams. Now Saquon gets paid because of the year that he had. And it's gonna be interesting to see if that kind of resets the running back market and maybe all of the running backs for free agents a year too soon, but also it's Saquon

Barkley, so probably not. I think it will help other running backs slightly, but we're not going to see another $20 million running back, I don't think, in the near future. Quick question. Why? Why did the Eagles do that? near future. I have a quick question. Why? Why did the Eagles do that? Like, you just signed him to a big deal. Dude.

Like, why? Why, that was, that was. I don't get it. That was very much a Super Bowl high. You know what I mean? Like, oh my god. Sure, pay him! We did it. Yeah!

We couldn't do it before we got him. Oh my god, he carried us. We won the Super Bowl because of him. Whatever he wants do it before we got him. Oh my god. He carried us We won the Super Bowl because of him whatever he wants just give it a like sign And then like six months from now, it's like wait we did what like we gave him what money? Howie Roseman drunk on the on the parade flow go. I'm gonna give you more money. You know, you're just the best I'm gonna give you more money. You're just the best. I'm gonna give you some more money. You deserve it. His age is like, Howie, Howie, Howie, right here, here, here. How do you sign this thing? Here, sign this real quick.

It's like 50 plus million for like two years and it's like over 30 million guaranteed and there's still incentives to make it more money. What a deal for a say. You know what? I'm happy for Saquon. Good for him. Absolutely. Great for him. He wasted the first portion of his career in New York. People didn't appreciate him for how good he was. He now goes to Philadelphia. Great offensive line. Now goes to Philadelphia. Almost breaks the record for regular season rushing yards. They end up sitting him the last game of the regular season

so he doesn't have the opportunity to break the record, but he was on pace to break the record. And now he's rewarded for being such a great team player, sitting down, putting the team first, a little disappointing Super Bowl, putting the team first, you know, helping them throughout the playoffs and now he's gotten paid, so good for him.

What does he have to be next year to be worth that? Oh, dude, no. Massive disappointment. But like, that's the whole thing! Like, he's totally gotta be! Total disappointment. Like, I give Eagles fans four weeks before they're like, boo, what are we doing?

Boom, boom, go back to New York. We don't need you. You suck. Like that is going right back in that direction. But hey, good for him. Yeah, good for him. Get that money. You want to play a game of Moore-Mikley? Sure. Hopefully, Fuentes will join us on this one.

I got one good one. Let's just, we'll leave it there. Moore-Mikley to be an NFL bust, Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter? Ooh. Okay, so Abdul Carter, we found out last week, had the stress fracture, but he didn't need surgery. Yeah, he didn't need the surgery,

could still be the number one pick now. OK. Travis Hunter. He's been trophy winner. I don't know why I'm giving you their resumes, but Travis Hunter, he's going to go high in the draft. I should be top five picks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Both of the top five picks. Unless something crazy happens, both guys will be top five picks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Both of the top five picks, unless something crazy happens, both guys will be top five picks. If you're the number one pick, I feel like you are viewed as a bust more often than a number three or four pick, right?

Like I think, but Travis Hunter's coming in, Heisman Trophy winner, he's saying that what he does is harder than what Shohei Otani does, which was a weird conversation. Weird flex, okay. Yeah. Here is my, I'm going to go with, as I'm talking this out, I'm going to go with Travis Hunter. And it's not because I don't think that Travis Hunter is incredibly talented. It's not because I think that Travis Hunter is not worthy of being a top five pick in the NFL draft. Travis Hunter though,

and this is like strange for someone in my position to be saying, Travis Hunter seems a bit small to me to be playing both sides of the ball in the NFL all the time. Like I think that that's where the situation is where bust is a possibility, right? Where you're hoping, if you're hoping, or if you talk yourself into Travis Hunter

is going to be in the NFL what he was in college, I think that that's not as likely. And for that reason, he might be a bust, right? And also, if he's drafted by a team that is going to be playing him on both sides of the ball all the time, that team is in trouble. Like, you can't have him in the NFL playing every single snap on offense and defense.

And his size, I mean, obviously there's wide receivers that are his size, there's, you know, cornerbacks that are his size, but both sides of the ball, he's gonna be getting hit a lot, like a lot. And getting hit in the NFL is much different than getting hit in the college. And I can tell you that from experience.

Yes, from all the times we've been. Playing neither of those. But it just seems like he's gotta bulk up a little bit, which is what you say about everyone, right? Coming out of college, playing neither of those. But it just seems like he's got to bulk up a little bit, which is what you say about everyone, right? Coming out of college, going to the NFL. He's got to bulk up a little bit, but I just think that it's going to be a lot harder to be playing both sides of the ball in the NFL

than it was at Colorado. Juan Des. Yeah, I'm going to also go with Billy on this and just that it's a lot to demand from a kid that's coming out to play, Because it's old saying, when you're in college, you're going to be lining up against a guy who might be taking finance classes or installing aluminum siding after he graduates. Where when you get to the NFL, you're playing against... Do some podcasts.

Yeah, something like that. But you're playing against a guy who is all world every time. Even he might not be the best receiver in the league, but he's definitely one of the best players in the world every single down. And like, and also, you know, like to echo what Billy said, if you're drafting him to play both sides of the ball, your team is so severely down bad that there's, you know, it just shouldn't be happening. Carter, he's, you know, he's, he's like a physical freak and he is, his job is to get the quarterback where it's a lot more if you're doing both

sides of the ball. So if you're drafting Travis Hunter, hoping he's going to be a both sides of the ball guy, you're already setting him up for failure. So I'm going to say Travis Hunter is more likely. Plus he has all the pressure of being, you know, Heisman guy and this like media darling. So it's, it's, I'm going to say definitely Travis Hunter. I would say Abdul Carter, you can line him up and say, go get the quarterback Travis Hunter. I think a lot of it's going to depend on the coaching staff and how they want to use him.

So I agree with you guys because I think Travis Hunter could be a bust, not his fault, though. I think he could be misused. I also feel like and we'll just do this real quick. It's very easy to forget about linemen. You know what I mean? I also feel like, and we'll just do this real quick, it's very easy to forget about lineman. You know what I mean? Like, you could have a very serviceable career, somewhat underwhelming, and you're just like,

oh, and five years from now, you're like, oh, Abdul Carter was the number one pick? Like, okay, he's fine. Where Travis Hunter, everyone's gonna be watching for him on both sides of the ball, or wherever it is that he's playing. So for him, I think, unfortunately, there's gonna be more eyes on him.

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Taste like Miller-time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. ["Dreams of a New World"] Mikey? Yeah? I did a terrible job, admittedly, in the first segment of the show called Headlines, because we're now in the third segment of the show and we still haven't gotten through all the

headlines that I had timed out for the first segment of the show, which was a very poor job by me. So, final headline. There's only one left, which is good news. There's only one left, which is good news, there's only one left. Final headline. You know how we were raving last week about Bill Belichick and University of North Carolina getting hard knocks

basically because the Giants ruined off season hard knocks and every team everywhere was like, you know what? I don't wanna look as bad as the Giants. And I don't, poor Stugatz's friend, Joe Shane. I don't, I never wanna be Joe Shane. I never wanna have a situation where my teenage son is telling me, you know what, you should do.

You should pick the best player. And then I'm like, maybe not though, maybe not. Even though we can't actually get him, maybe let's not take the best player there. Being a GM is all about making very hard decisions and when they don't work out, it makes you look so bad. And Joe Shane couldn't have made worse decisions last off season, at least by the optics of it.

And why would anyone sign up for that? Why would anyone be like, hey, why don't you film me when I take the most beloved guy on our team and tell him he's not worth the money? Yeah, I mean, which do you think was worth, the Jayden or the Saquon? It was Saquon, right?

Because Jayden- It was easily Saquon, because they didn't have a chance to draft Jayden. They wanted to. They called. Yeah, they called. They tried to. But like it made it sound like they didn't try very hard.

Yeah. And, you know, his whole thing, we're going to we're going to rely on Daniel Jones. Like it's going to be Daniel Jones's year only to just like midseason trade. Cut him. They didn't even trade him. They cut him. They didn't even trade him. They cut him. Like everything, every decision you made looked terrible. And we all got to see you make those decisions. Well, okay.

So I didn't even finish the headline. So the headline was because of that, no team in the NFL wanted to do this. So you know who's coming in? Big Bill Belichick and the North Carolina Tar Heels. The flavor of the week. Now we all want North Carolina Tar Heels. The flavor of the week. Now we all want to be Tar Heels fans. We want Bill Belichick to succeed and all that.

And then, you know, like a day later, it's like, you know what? Nevermind, they're not doing it either because we couldn't reach a deal. So we're not even gonna get Bill Belichick on Hard Knocks. So now Hard Knocks, which by the way, if we're gonna be honest, too much Hard Knocks. Like too much Hard Knocks, which by the way, if we're going to be honest, too much Hard Knocks. Too much Hard Knocks. Hard Knocks in training camp, I thought was fine. Regular Hard Knocks,

perfectly fine. In season Hard Knocks, there we started kind of like, I don't know about this situation. If your team was on, look, the Dolphins were on it like two years ago. I'm still telling myself, well, I have two episodes ago, I'm still telling myself, well, I have two episodes left, I'm gonna get back, I'm gonna finish it. I know exactly how that season ended. I don't need to get back to that. I don't need to watch the last two episodes.

I know exactly how it's gonna go. Didn't even finish it when it was my own team. The off season, where it's like, let's follow around the decision makers and just have cameras in their office while they're sitting there talking on the phone looking at spreadsheets like, I don't know about this. I couldn't disagree with you more.

The really now I agree with you on in season hard knocks in season hard knocks is the one that's gotta go. That's the one that does absolutely nothing for me. I already know how this whole thing plays out. There's no immediacy to it. Whereas during training camp, you know, the they play on during the week and then the following Tuesday, you get to see leading up to that week. So it's like, okay, I'm in. And the offseason one, because of how bad it went for the Giants is like must watch to me. Like to see how Joe Shane convinced himself to get rid of Seguin only to then watch Seguin sign with Philly, that's poetry.

That's what I wanna watch. I mean, yeah, but you're watching for a train wreck. Like you want it to be really bad. Yes, yes. Yeah, well, I mean, so regular hard knocks is cool because regular hard knocks, mostly like you want it to be really bad. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, so regular hard knocks is cool because regular hard knocks, mostly like you're getting regular hard knocks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hard knocks kicks the crap out of new regular hard. Well, because you're like you

follow stars ish that you wouldn't have access to but also like you're getting the stories of like the fringe players that are just fighting to make the team and you're like rooting for these players And then you have like an interest in these players like oh my god I hope this guy makes it and then also like sneaky like Darren Waller on my fantasy team every year like well for like two or three years was on my fantasy team because of hard knocks I'm like, you know what? What round is it? Like 10th round here? Waller's still there. Let's roll the dice on him.

I liked them on Hard Knocks. Yeah, but see, that's the problem. Old Hard Knocks, I mean, the name of the show was Hard Knocks because it was guys going to training camp, trying to fight for a roster spot. Then they, at some point around the Jets and Dolphins years, they started transitioning from those fringe guys to the Stars and you know what training camp ain't that hard for the Stars they got they it's not I mean listen I'm sure it's still a grind and I certainly couldn't do it

but it's not like trying to make the team and I feel like lately Hard Knocks, by lately I mean the last few years, has taken to the last two weeks, let's go focus on one or two of these fringe guys, and that'll be it. But they don't, you used to follow him from get up for his first day of training camp until he gets cut or makes the team. Now it's like, ah, here's two episodes of Fringe Guys.

Well, it's also very formulaic, where every year we're just going to see Ohs the mentalist visit, you know, training camp and put a fish in a piece of like acrylic, whatever. You know what I mean? Like, how did that happen? Oh, Ohs has a prediction for the Super Bowl. Oh my God, it's us. We're going to the Super Bowl. How did he do it? Look at us. We're going to go. And none of those teams ever make it to the Super Bowl. Well, Nicole Hardman was the guy who did it? Look at us, we're gonna go and none of those teams ever make it to the Super Bowl.

Well, Michal Hardman was the guy who did it for the Jets and he was traded to the Chiefs and they beat the 49ers. So it kind of happened, just wasn't the Jets. Yeah, yeah, I suppose. You know the thing about in season Hard Knocks too that's different is in season Hard Knocks, it's kind of like the off season one, but in season Hard Knocks, I watched the games this week, I know exactly how this plays out. I don't really care about the

storylines. Unless someone got in trouble or something crazy happened, I don't really need to know what happened Monday through, you know, Thursday in your facility. I don't care. Experiment next year and I'm going to nominate Fuentes to do it. Watch none of the NFL games. Only watch hard knocks. Wow. So that's how you experience the game. Are you in on that? In season hard knocks we're talking about? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. In season. Pick a random week. You pick a random week. You watch none of the NFL games. You don't catch the scores. You don't check your... So tough with fantasy though. Draft Kings account. Yeah. And then you just watch Hard Knocks.

You can make fantasy. And I bet you're on the edge of your seat. No, you can make fantasy moves, but based solely on Hard Knocks. I know, but it's just so tough to not check fantasy scores. It would take a lot of willpower, but I think I can do it. No, no, no.

Fantasy's fine. You can do fantasy. Well, no, but the fantasy app's gonna tell you the score of the game. You're gonna have at least a feeling. I could probably do it one week, but is it confirmed they're gonna do it like they did this week where it's all like a division?

That's how it's come out yet. Okay, well let's postpone this. I'm down to do it, but it's only if it's like I get a full division recap like how they did this year. No. That would make it good. Yeah, because if it's only one team, well I guess I can just excuse myself from one team. It's probably easier if it's not a division. No, you can't watch the NFL at all. You can only watch Hard Knocks. So don't do my job one week.

No, no, for the season. No, your job is this. Yeah, your job is just experience the NFL through Hard Knocks for a season. That's it. It's very simple. But the end season doesn't even start until like deep into the season, right?

Doesn't it like come out That's when you start exactly. Yeah, you get a couple weeks off watch college football You can be in on college if you want you just can't watch the NFL Right here you can only experience the NFL through hard. I wonder if there's a person that like can we get Taylor to do this? Well, I was just gonna sit now. He won't do it. He's always gonna be telling us He's always gonna be telling us, he's always gonna be telling us about his friend Mac. Dude, I keep bothering him, like, so where's Mac gonna go next year, where's Mac gonna go?

He used to be, Taylor, who works with us, Mikey, for those who don't know, and Mikey, used to be roommates with Mac Hollins. So he's on the Mac beat, and he has been assured that he will break the story as to where Mac is going this time because last time he had it and and Mac told him hold off on that and then it got scooped by like Rappaport or something and he was like upset he's like okay you can put it out he's like it's too late yeah Rappaport already reported it yeah so when Mac waiting with baited yeah we really got to know Mack Holland's gonna catch one and a half passes again

What are we doing here? Like come on. We want to get Mack on the show It'll be fun and here you guys are poo-pooing the situation. Don't we don't need to make I just said I'm very much looking forward to see where Mack Holland's ends up next I can tell you where he's not probably the Bengals because they don't have any more money for receivers. They're out of that plum dry money for receivers in Cincinnati. By the way back to the hard knocks thing for a second that the Bill Belichick deciding not to do hard knocks which I don't think you actually ever got to. That's the headline that he's actually not doing it. Was this kind of Bill thinking that he was gonna do a big F you to the NFL because they wanted him to do hard knocks for years and he

refused to do it and then he leaves the NFL and in his first college years like yeah sure I'll do it and then maybe he was like cooler heads cooler heads for values like you know what no I really don't want to do it but it was funny to watch the NFL panic when I was gonna do it. So we talked about this earlier than week, Mikey. And what I was telling people was, you know, what would have happened if it was offseason hard knocks with North Carolina and we're like, wow, North Carolina, Bill Belichick, blah, blah, blah. What it would have been is it would have been us just watching Mike Lombardi the entire time in his office you know like felichak would maybe make a cameo one or two episodes

but it's just Lombardi trying to construct the Carolina roster the entire time yeah pretty much hmm when we come back we play a brand new game called worst coach to be on a plane with. I have ideas. Oh, OK. I'm going to zig. You can act. I'm going to zig. Hmm. OK. All right. We'll be back. Who's going big this NBA season?

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Go to the dot com slash audio. Go to the dot com slash audio. Go to the dot com slash audio. York, New York, Mikey, Mike Fuentes. Yeah. You promised it earlier. So we have to get to it just because we promised it. And I don't, I feel like we were coming out of a good thing. We had some fun and I have a fun game here that I want to play. It's called worst coach to be on a plane with. Okay. And this is how it works.

We're going to go around the room and we're each going to say the worst coach to be on a plane with. And you're wondering, why are we doing this? It's because I Saw on the internet which will be a new segment that we play another week. I saw on the internet a photo of Pete Carroll standing in the aisle of an airplane and the person that took the Photo of Pete Carroll said Pete Carroll has been standing in first class in the aisle of this airplane

Almost the entire flight. It was well over an hour that he was standing there and he was just talking to other coaches while on the flight and they were talking strategy and what they were gonna be doing, which seems very unwise to be doing that out in the open publicly. The person then also said,

I think the Raiders are gonna trade for Geno Smith, which I don't know if that was real or not or if they were just adding that on there. But it was a photo of Pete Carroll standing in an aisle. I don't know because it was in a video if he was standing an entire flight and if he was talking to coaches or not. But I saw it on the internet

so I choose to believe that it is true. So that has now spawned this new game called Worst Coach to Be on a Plane With. Now, here's the question that I wanna ask of you guys, even though I've created this game. Is this the worst coach to be on a plane with. Now here's the question that I want to ask of you guys even though I have created this game. Is this the worst coach to be on a plane with or the worst coach to be sitting next to? Because I feel like those are different things. The name I came up with will fit both categories. Okay well so we'll start with you. Who's the worst coach? So when we were discussing this, it was brought to my attention.

What you should do is you just pick the big guys because you don't want to sit next to the big guy because then he's in your space and all that. But listen, I am a big guy. I'm going to be in your space. You're going to be in mine. We're just going to have a nonverbal contract. When you sit down on the plane, this is what's happening. So I'm going a different route. Nick Sirianni. Because I have a feeling that Nick Sirianni is the guy that's gonna complain to the stewardess about everything. The guy that's gonna lean his seat all the way back

when you're not supposed to. The guy when they say turn off your phones is gonna be like, why do I have to turn off my phone? You think my phone is gonna interfere with the plane? He's just gonna be a jerk. Yeah. So I'm gonna go Nick Sirianni. So does Nick Sirianni strike you as the person, the only person that uses like the service button up top calling the attendant over? He just yells. He doesn't even hit the button. He just goes, hey, hey, another one here. Okay.

I can kind of see that. So is then your strategy to pick like the smallest coach? Cause then is Mike McDaniel a good person to sit next to on the plane? Because he seemingly is the opposite of pick the biggest coach. Like let's pick the smallest coach, Mike McDaniel. Like is he then a good option? Yeah, Mike McDaniel, sure.

He looks like, you know, he's an interesting guy. We could have, we can have a little taxiing conversation. Are you headed home? Oh, you're, oh, you're headed. Okay. And you can have that conversation. And then I feel like Mike McDaniel put on his headphones and we won't talk the rest of the polite flight.

And I'm okay with that. Okay. Fuentes, do you agree? Mike McDaniel is a good option. Definitely because of his size. I'm a little worried that he might talk too much because when you see some of his press conferences, little bit of a rambler.

Yeah. And if anybody knows ramblers, especially on microphones, it's me. So it's a, he might talk too much, but if you get him on a day where he kind of just wants to relax, then I'm on Mikey's side with this. He'll just throw on his super expensive headphones and listen to whatever.

What's he watching? Ooh, that's, oh. Entourage, for sure. He'll, I feel like he expensive headphones and listen to whatever. What's he watching? Ooh, that's, oh. Entourage, for sure. He'll, I feel like he turns to you and he's like, bro, they got entourage on this thing. Why are we being so coy about this? In the break, we were talking about which coaches would most likely love to watch entourage,

and we all unanimously. Well, it's because of him. It started with him. We were saying, he would be the guy that's really excited to tell you there's entourage on the flight. The movie, too tell you this on the flight the movie to not a show Just the movie. Oh, wow There's a difference here

This is I like this because you know because he's a coach so he's obviously not always you know up-to-date on what is the newest Of things right I can imagine a conversation now with Mike McDaniel, where he turns to, he's like, dude, they got entourage, and then he looks, he goes, episode's like, did you know this was a show? They made a show out of the movie? Like, yeah, Mike, like, that was a show for like 10 years before they made it a movie.

Yeah, also Sirianni seems like an entourage. Okay, I never got to in the break. That was gonna be my pick. Sirianni looks like a guy who would absolutely love entourage. So to finish it in the break, what we said was top five coaches that would love entourage. Yeah. And my throw in there was Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll loves entourage. It's like the thing he does that I think he was on entourage. I'm sure he was on entourage. He might have been when he was at US. If he was still at USC at the time, he might have been. I feel like Pete Carroll, if any coach was on entourage, it was Pete Carroll. I'm on it. I'm on it. I also think like Nick Sirianni is the guy that tells you

he hates ballers because that's not how it works. Like he says like that's I Like I like the idea not how it works. That's not how it works in the NFL Pete Carroll got the contract from the Raiders and yelled victory like like Johnny drama. Yeah, I could So back to where his coach is on the airplane. The thing with Mike McDaniel that might make him not a good option is I feel like he also always wants to be the funny guy. You know what I mean?

Like if he is, I could see him being the expensive headphones, hoodie on, keeping to himself, but like if he is interacting, he's the guy that wants to get the laughs, right? Yeah, if he heard me and you having a conversation across the aisle and one of us was let he'd be like no I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna take this over I'm gonna come over the top and I'm gonna be a funny guy he's not this guy he's the guy that rolls up casually like hey what's so funny guys and then he's trying to like get an

angle he's like diagonal neighbor that turns and talks to you like sideways like yes the whole flight like he's yeah You know what I mean and like his wife is like tapping him on the arm like leave him alone. Where you guys going? Hawaii oh yeah, I can't wait You know they have There and it's like yeah, you ever been to Pookala Beach? We went to the same place. We should meet up! Yeah, Maui's a great spot man. You ever been to the Onion Festival? It's great. You guys surfing when you're out there? Yeah All right hang loose

Hello a little hang loose a little a little hang loose Absolutely He's a hang loose guy for sure. So that'll do it for this week of God Bless Football. And if you think of coaches that would be terrible on the plane or coaches that love entourage or hate ballers or who would talk to you, who's been to Hawaii, let us know. Just tweet at us on all of our socials and that's it. All right, bye guys. See you next week. God bless people Whoa, it's cold outside, but it's getting warmer and you know what I'm gonna do to keep cold in the warm heat

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