The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - GBF: Steve Spagnuolo's Big Board!

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

Fresh off the NFL combine Spags, Steve Spagnuolo, joins the show! Mikey A. brings back the Rumor Mill, Billy quizzes Stu, Mikey and Golic on what top QBs extensions should be. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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God bless football Mikey A. God bless football Mike Golic. God bless football and Notre Dame's women lacrosse. Wow. Really, you're going there that early in the proceedings, huh? God bless football and Notre Dame's women lacrosse Stu. Wow. Really you're going there that early in the proceedings, huh? Woo! Listen, you always have to be excited when you take down number one, right? If you're not going to be number one, beat number one. Yes.

And I'm only going to focus on you, not your lovely daughter who plays lacrosse at Northwestern. Thank you. They're defending national champions. But this happened though. What about two weeks ago? Uh, Northwestern went to Notre Dame as a number one team in the country and Notre Dame smoked them. Yeah. 14 to 10.

And it wasn't even that close. No, I don't know if it was or not. I'm just saying that. But Notre Dame gets the win, baby. Yes, it fair news to you Notre Dame played very well. They outplayed Northwestern. They played like they wanted the game more, Mike, but I would only say this. Since that game happened, you have lost to Syracuse. You play North Carolina this weekend. And I will tell you what I say to, you know, professional athletes, do it in the postseason okay Mike how about this make it to the

postseason Mike wow listen I am a what have you done for me lately and right Lee Notre Dame beat Northwestern in the last game they played together Notre Dame one because I was at the game before with you and your lovely wife Abby and me and my wife, we were watching your daughter's freshman year, Notre Dame, our Northwestern came in and beat Notre Dame and gave you guys your kudos for that. You're right. And on to win a national championship. And the next time you come to Notre Dame,

oh, what happened? Wow. Hello. Yeah, we love it. Billy, what are you doing over there? I mean, I'm just, yeah, I'm just an impartial observer Mike, did you open your doors to the Stu guys family? Did they happen to stay at your house or no?

We we don't allow losers He was Deserve it, but then what are you doing staying there? I mean, no name doesn't want anything at football in years Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. No, the name is a fencing school. Okay, we have 13 national champions in fencing. So my bad. A fencing school.

Big fencer, are you? Absolutely. You don't let losers stay at that. You would let Rachel stay at the house before you let me stay at the house. What did you? I mean, open invitation to either one of your daughters or your wife, but

you know, God, Mike, it's your favorite time of the year scouting combine. So I want to be careful with this because I am not I am not a fan of the contextually of the combine and what it represents, which is from the end of trying to be NFL players and their college career from basically November to February, all they do is train for non-football things. I mean, they're training in a sprinting stance

for a 40 that they'll never be in that stance again in their life. They're doing verticals, they're running around cones, and we're judging people off of this. I don't fully understand it, but on the other side of that, I listen, as a player, I went to the combine, and I understand as a player, this is your interview. So what I do wanna see is players doing their all out best in whatever they're choosing to do to show that,

hey, the part of the interview I'm going to do for you I prepared for and I'm ready to go. So this has nothing to do with the players and more to do with, and I know everybody doesn't take all the different drills literally and say, Oh, because, you know, this dude ran around three cones really fast, I'm going to up his draft stock. This should be used I've always said to we know who the top guys are. To me, nothing's going to really hurt them. This is going

to be for guys you're not sure about, you see them excel in something and it makes you go back and watch more tape on them because ultimately, that's the deciding factor. The thing I do like about the Combine is the interviews when you actually get to sit and talk to a player and get to not not ask stupid questions, but just talk to a player and get a feel for him, especially for the quarterbacks when you can put him up at the board, when you can talk about, you know,

when they make visits to your team and you can give them part of the playbook, how do they digest it? I think all that stuff is important, but I'm sorry. Who was I just, just with the other day, one former coach talking about the combine saying, man, we could care less what an offensive lineman ran a 40 in. And having an old lineman run 40s

is the dumbest thing in the world for me because you're just begging for a hamstring pull. Yes. Why? To watch a guy who never has to sprint 40 yards, run 40 yards. If you want to get him in a 10, that's great. But a 40, it's a joke. So sorry, that's just my spiel I do on the combine every year.

Isn't that why the Jets drafted Mackay Bekdon? Because he ran really fast 40 time and Yes, and it's never for a lineman. Maybe on the Jets next week. Just blows my mind. Again, blows my mind. I don't, I don't get it. As I said, if you use it for markers and I remember Bill Polian, the great Bill Pollion, one of the great GMs we've seen in this league, talk about how he uses it as markers of marking points. But the problem with that is,

is there are people that are shorter than your point that can play well. There are people that have smaller hand sizes than your mark that play well I mean you don't know if you want to use that as a measuring stick Okay, but I to downgrade somebody for that when if you watch tape and they look great on tape and you say Yeah, but he's about an inch and a half short. I'm like, are you shitting me? He looks good on tape. You know, that's the bottom line Go play and go play.

Mike, how many times did you run 40 yards on a football field in your life? I ran it in high school one time when they timed us. Once, right. And this helped the, listen, high school stats are a joke, right? I mean, again, I never played defensive line in my life. I was a 6'5", 245 pound linebacker my senior year.

And I was a five star first team parade all-American and rated the best defensive lineman in the country. And I never played defensive line. So I mean, it shows you how ridiculous it is. When we were running the forties in high school as the coaches were going down to the 40 yard mark, I moved up five yards. So I ran a four seven. I ran a four seven 35 yard that they thought was a 45 yard.

So all of a sudden it's like, ooh, this guy can move. He's two 40 something. It runs a four seven. I mean, ridiculous. So I, guys, I didn't even run it at the combine because I had shoulder surgery after my senior year. I just went there to talk to teams and had the doctors look at me. I didn't do any of the- Sure.

Because I had shoulder surgery. So I ran it, I never ran it when I got drafted by Houston. The only time I ran a 40 was when I was a free agent and I signed with the dolphins. They timed you in 40s before, you know, camp started, which I thought was somewhat ridiculous. So never, never, I mean, it's crazy. But on a football field, in an actual game,

playing for the Eagles, no today, and you would never run 40 yards, right? Occasionally I would run 40 on a pursuit drill, which was a rarity. You know, pursuit is more about the right angle. Speed is great. You got it, you got it. But, you know, there's so much more, rarely do you run a straight line 40

outside of wide receivers running go routes and DBs turning and running after, you know, they swing their hips, you know, to run. Other than that, it just isn't happening. Billy, I gotta tell you, that's pretty pretty impressive to be ranked rated the top defensive lineman in his class and never play the Position that is talent right there Billy. I mean or or massive hole in like Yes, I I lean toward a massive hole in the hole in the system. I mean It's just crazy. My son Jake,

when Mike played in the Army All-American game as senior, Jake went and did like an Army All-American combine for juniors. And Jake was rated one of the top tight ends in the country based off of that. Right? So then Jake commits, Jake went to a camp as a sophomore and did really, really, one of these camps at the software did really, really well. So Jake was very highly rated. And then going into senior year, he committed to Notre Dame. So there were still these Nike camps and other camps, Deedus camps out there.

And Jake was like, well, I'm not going to them. I'm already signed. I'm going to Notre Dame. So what's the need? which I completely agreed with? And all of a sudden, by not doing something, his rating dropped by not going to these camps. So the people that rate from these camps dropped his rating for doing nothing.

I mean, it's ridiculous. It's just crazy. You've got to play their game. It's unreal. Yeah, but Mike, the truth is if you're talented, they'll find you. They don't care about the camps. If you're talented, they will find you and they will draft you. 1000% they will find you. That is that is the truest statement you've made in a long time. Well, thank you. Mike, who's the best player in this draft? Forget

about quarterback. Just who is the best player in the NFL draft this year? Brock Bowers, the title from Georgia. This kid is unreal. And he's at a position, unfortunately, listen, this is a heavy quarterback, heavy offensive tackle, heavy quarterback. Those are three money positions in the NFL, right? So you're gonna see those,

and some top- end edge rushers like Vers from Florida, Stay Turner from Alabama. So tight end is a little, obviously pretty specific, even though that position has become pretty vertical, whether you're attached, slot or like a wide receiver. This kid from game one, his true freshman year, he started against, the first game I think it was against Clemson

and was a major part of the game plan right out of the gate. He is a stud and we have seen Dalton from Buffalo and even more Sam LaPorta from Detroit what rookie tight ends the effect they can have. Michael Mayer from Notre Dame later in the season when they started using the tight end more in Vegas. What tight ends the effect they can have in this league? Bowers is going to whoever gets him and it won't be as high as he should go where his talent is compared in this draft to everybody else. He'll go lower on that because of the position that he plays in the need. But I think this is a guy who right out of the gate is going to be unbelievable. Mike, are you surprised Caleb Williams appears to be the guy who right out of the gate is going to be unbelievable. Mike, are you surprised? Caleb Williams appears to be the guy who's going to go number one overall.

People think he's the best quarterback in the draft. Are you surprised that Jaden Daniels has risen this high on most draft boards? No, we've seen this before. I mean, we've seen a guy have a monster year and rise up because of it. And one of the differences is in what I like about the guys we're talking about, who has failed as of late from the quarterback position. And it had been guys that hadn't had a lot of starts in the NFL, right? Yeah. They get 13, 10, 13, 15 starts and all of a sudden they're a high first round draft pick. You know, now, you know, you look at the guys that have had a little bit of

Like Zach Wilson? Yeah. Yeah. Zach Wilson, uh, Mitch Tabisky. Yeah. You know you start to look at a trade lance for you know had some time obviously a worry played but not not in the power five either. Um, so you look at the some of the guys now they have a lot of experience bow nix's played forever. Jayden Daniels. remember he started early on in his career in Arizona State. Caleb Williams as well. So you have guys that have played. Michael Penix has played a lot, a lot of that due to injury as well. So you have a lot more guys and I wonder

where that trend will be of backing off a guys who have a limited amount of starts, even though they may look really good as opposed to guys who have played a lot in starts even though they may look really good as opposed to guys who have played a lot in college and are a little more seasoned. So Jaden Daniels, listen, who just won the MVP and what's a reason he won the MVP? Lamar Jackson won the MVP because he can throw the ball pretty damn well and he runs as good as a running back. Jaden Daniels is the same way. So this is where we are in the NFL

if you can pull that off. If this kid can continue to throw well, we know he can run. You always worry about getting hurt, but the times Lamar has gotten hurt, it's been in the pocket, not running. So that's why Jaden Daniels is made the move he's made. And the guy, though, to me still is Michael Penix.

I just am infatuated with him in the way he throws the ball. Now, struggled when there was pressure around him, we've seen that, but I've seen him do enough good things. Certainly his medical history is not great. He's not gonna be a guy that's gonna hurt you running the ball. He's gonna be a guy that's gonna be in the pocket or slide in the pocket to make a play down ball. He's going to be a guy that's going to be in the pocket or slide in the pocket

to make a play downfield. So the athletic quarterback that can run and really hurt you, he's, you know, he's at shoulder, the two knees. It's been tough on him, but I still love the way he throws the ball. Mike, are you interested in a, in a game of rumor mill? Are you interested in, in playing a game that, you know, just, Yes. Absolutely. Okay. All right, good. All right. We're going to get to that in a game of rumor mill. Are you interested in playing a game that, you know? Sure, yes, absolutely. All right, we're gonna get to that in a second. Billy has some stuff on the NFLPA

because they voted on best owners, best teams, best facilities, I'm excited about this. But before we get to both of those quickly, because we just talked about the quarterbacks of Caleb Williams and Jada Daniels, what are the Bears gonna do here? They have to trade Justin Fields at this point, right, Mike? Yeah, they're gonna trade Justin Fields

and they're gonna draft Caleb Williams. I think, you know, there's, what we also call this season is a lying season. A lot of things you hear, I just a lot of smoke being blown to try and accomplish what you will wanna accomplish. I think at the end of the day, listen, I like Justin Fields.

I'd like to see what he can do, but I don't think the Bears at this point can afford to do that two-fold. Number one, if it doesn't work, already we're hearing about next year's class not being as good as this year's quarterback class, because the Bears have to be thinking forward, what are we going to do with the quarterback position?

When we see a young quarterback come in and show sometimes look great, sometimes not so great, we're like not sure, and then we see a guy come in like a Caleb Williams who has this high rating and this high ceiling. Teams are going to bet on the untapped potential as opposed to we saw some of the highs and lows of a guy we're already have. So yeah, I think they're going to trade him. I really look forward to seeing where Justin Fields ends up and what he's going to do because I do like him, but I do not believe it's going to be any question at all. Chicago and take Kayla Williams. They might regret that, Mike. I'm with you. Like Justin Fields is really good. I think

he's really good. But he is, he is. I just don't, you know what? Here's, this is the thing guys is GMs are more afraid of what happens if we didn't take the right guy as opposed to if the guy that we did have worked out. Ryan Boles and I'm not just saying Ryan, GMs are scared to death of if you didn't make the move and that part, it turns out to be great. My God, you live with that for the rest of your career, right?

We suck with Justin Fields, he had another social year, Kayla Williams is the offensive rookie of the year. You go, oh, damn, we blew that one. With the Jets, it's a way of life though. Yeah, exactly, exactly. We always take the wrong guy. All right, Billy, what do you want to get to first year? You want to go rumor mill?

You want to go NFLPA voting? What do you want to do? Well, okay, Mike, so we have a number of things we can get to. We have the rumor mill, which is my segment. We have the NFLPA voting on different aspects for different teams. And Mike, this is very exciting. I have for you, Spotrack's contract breakdown productions for seven QB extension candidates. Oh, wow. So this is what they're saying, these seven QBs extensions

should be. And then we can kind of judge what they are. If you want, I can give you the names of those quarterbacks first, then you can decide if you want to play this game or not. That's it. That'd be an obviously deck. is one of those one of those. What does it say that he's he's in line for? So deck their project. I guess we're going to play this game. He wants to play the game. Yes. I want to play the game. Three years. A hundred and eighty million dollars. Wow. His contract's up. His contract's up after next season. They're projecting him at three years, $180

million. But they have to because his number is too high to not redo a deal and spread it out over years to keep the cap number lower than what it is. Right. Wow. $60 million a year for that. Wow. What's the next biggest quarterback that's looking for it gonna get one? There's some names on this list, Mike.

We have Kirk Cousins on there who some people think might be a hall of famer. That's not an extension though, right? Isn't his contract up? I mean, that's just a new contract. Is it not? Sure, let's go with that. Yes, it's a new contract regardless.

If it's re-upping or a new contract, they're just projecting what Kirk Cousins is gonna to cost the team here. And I love lying season. Like this is one of the staples of lying season. Go out on a tennis court and show everyone you can move around. Yeah. Yeah. Why don't we play the game this way, Mike? I'll give you the quarterback and I'll tell you the years that they're projecting and you tell me how much it would be for. Kirk there. I want to play 36. They're saying three years So what would you give Kirk cousins for three years three years that are probably average 40 million year? So I'll say 120. I'll say 140

Mikey Yeah, I'll go I'll split the difference 130. Huh? They actually have it at 100 bargain for Kirk cousins. Yeah split the difference one third. Huh. They actually have it at 100 bargain for Kirk cousins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Mikey you go last there. You got to play like the prices right. You got to go dollar below dollar above me. Yeah. I didn't know if it was. So right in the middle. You'd be a horrible prices right player.

You're all right. All right. Next quarterback. Here's an interesting one. Baker Mayfield three year projection. Wow. Three year projection 60 mil. Wow. Three year projection, 60 mil. Wow.

Mikey. 75. Wow. I'm going to go three years, 75 million and one dollar. Oh, you know what? I messed it up. It was four years. Four years. Oh, wow. That changes everything. It changes everything. Hold on. All right. Go like this. 85 million four eighty five. All right, Mikey. Hey

90 I'm gonna go. Oh, wow. I'm gonna go off four years 90 million and one dollar You got twins. They're projecting four years 120 for big Yes They're projecting four years 120 for big. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Price is right. Good for. Hey, I hope he. I love big for him. I hope he gets every dime of that. Here's one of Stu gots his favorites. Jared got four year projection. Oh, wow. Wait, how he's. 29. Oh, he's only 29. OK. Wow. Four year. Four.

I'm going to go last on this one. Can I have that? I'm going to go 153. OK. Very specific. Really? Four years, 153. I'm going to go, so it was very specific, 153.

I'm going to go four years. Stack was at 60, you said, right? Four years, two hundred million dollars. OK, Mikey. It might have been part of rumor mill. So I'm going to go four years, one hundred and eighty million. Mikey nailed it. And he gets the points.

It's both showcases. Exactly. I did that. 45 million a year for Jared Goff. Wow. But you cheated. You had the information. You know what?

I completely forgot as we're doing this how much the salary cap went up. So all right, I'll do that on this one. OK. OK. Now we have three guys left. We have Tua Trevor and Jordan Love. Who do you guys want to go to?

Jordan Love. Let's say Jordan Love. He's going to be the best thing. Jordan Love, four year projection. Four year projection. I'm going to say a hundred and. Hundred and fifty five million dollars. OK. You gots.

I'll say four years. Got it. It's such a Got it. Such a good year. Such a good second half. I'm going to say four years. One hundred and eighty million dollars. OK, Mikey. Four years, one hundred and fifty. What did you say? One hundred and fifty.

I said one hundred and fifty five. One hundred and fifty five and one dollar jerk. Oh wow, okay, Jordan love four years 200 million That's Aaron Rodgers money That's Aaron Rodgers money. Oh my god It's crazy Let's do two a next to a four years. Wow. Let the NFL and passing yardage four years 250 This is crazy. My could you ever like if I told you back when you were playing these were gonna be the numbers My god

Randall missed out 205 to like what you say I said 250 Mikey a you're saying 5 million more than Jordan love Wow, yeah, he led the NFL and passing yard. I know I know that's why I'm saying 250. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to 51 Four years 220 so bargain. Wow. That is that is a steal really now Take those attention to this last one Trevor Lawrence six years Wow Six years

$260 million. Wow. Trevor Lawrence. Alright, you want me to go, Mike? Six years, $280. I'm going to go six years, $300. This is insane. Oh, I went too low. I definitely went too low. Six years, $300 million. Okay. What did you say, Mike? I said $260, and Mikey, I said 280. So you got nailed at six years, 300 million dollars.

Yeah. Wow, wow. Never want to play off game. Good for them, man. Good for them. Oh, this is awesome. At least Jordan Love want to play off game. Yeah.

How about it? Wow. This is insane. All right, let's just awesome. At least Jordan Love want to play off kid. Yeah. How about it? Wow. This is insane. All right, let's get to. You want to get to the. Yeah, the rumor mill is great. I love the rumor mill. All right, we have one minute for the rumor mill.

I'm told. Awesome press game. Let's run through it. All right, according to the rumor mill, Kirk Cousins might not return to Minnesota, but there is a team that might take him. The Las Vegas Raiders. Wow.

Wow. Might do like that. That would not be rumors. It's lying season. Keep in mind, right? Would not shock me because I don't think the Raiders are going to go into the season with Aiden O'Connell as the quarterback. So I can't dispel that.

But you think the Vikings are going to go into the season without Kirk Cousins? Is their quarterback? I think they'd like to go in the season without Kirk Cousins? Is there quarterback? I think they'd like to go in. Okay. I got to pay Justin Jefferson as well. All right. Okay. Wow.

He plays the game well, Billy. I mean... But according to the rumor bill, the Vikings already have their replacement lined up. And it's Sam Darnoldt. According to the rumor... Oh, God. What? Boo!

Wait, so the Vikings... Boo! The Vikings are going to get rid of Kirk Cousins who according to Billy is the first Gallivola famer and he's not wrong. Okay. Sign elsewhere. Before the injury. Before, sorry Billy. Okay, but Sam Darnoldt to the Vikings is what you're saying?

That's what they're saying. The rumor mills, I'm not saying it. Right, the rumor mill. Of course, I would never accuse you of saying that. That's okay. Curtis and the Great Vine. They hired Josh McCown who had a great working relationship with him and they think Kevin O'Connell can turn him into something.

Wow the guy that should be happiest if Sam Donald becomes a starter in Minnesota is Zach Wilson that just another high-picked jet quarterback that failed him was a backup somewhere for a couple years before he was a starter again. He can follow that that way. It would be great if Sam, if Zach Wilson, if this plays out the rumor mill and Darno goes to the Viking, Zach Wilson goes to an AFC team. They play each other in the Super Bowl. Please let that happen. I'll bow to it.

You want another rumor? I hate them. Of course. I've had some thousands related Billy. Yes, please. According to the rumor mill, there's a certain running back that might be headed to Miami. And his name is Derek Henry. According to the rumor.

Wow. Wow. You know what? This is top choice. It's just a wow. There's a thing. What? I mean, why?

Listen, I love King Henry, but you have other holes you need to fill. You have Moster, you have A-Chan, and you have even Jeff, I think Jeff Wilson is there as well. Yeah, Moster led the NFL in touchdowns. I don't know why you would do that. I think you have other holes to fill. That's why they talk about Baltimore too,

with Derek Henry. Baltimore was a leading rushing team in the league, and a lot of that is Lamar Jackson. You have, pick other, now they have less holes to fill, but still, I mean, you're pretty much set with your running game. Billy would love that though, having Derek. I just love a name.

Yeah, I like a name. Right. Right. All right, what else you got, Mike? Last one. Mike, by the way, Golan is lashing, he's lashing out at people. Mike, you're lashing out at a rumor mill. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha just in case there's any question about that. That's nice of you. Well done. Well done. He's a friend of the show, right? Yeah. And H&M.

You want five running backs. Yeah. Yeah. H&M. His interview wasn't great at the Super Bowl. That's how we judge who we want to keep. All right, you got any more rumors there? Sure.

Last week on the rumor mill, Billy and Mike, you weren't here. We had to say Juan Barkley possibly going to the Dallas Cowboys, but we had the wrong team in Texas. According to the rumor mill now, Sake Juan Barkley linked to the Houston Texans. Wow. That would be a great get for them because you're talking about different, you know, there's a lot of running backs available and none are going to be tagged. I think Josh Jacobs still stays with the Raiders. You got a buddy Austin Eckler is going to be tagged. I think Josh Jacobs still stays with the Raiders. You got a buddy, Austin Eckler,

is going to be a great addition somewhere, I think should be to like a contending team. Kansas City. I think Derek Henry could end up with the Cowboys quite honestly. And Snake Juan Barclay, the best of both worlds there. He can run the ball and he can catch it out of the backfield for a young up and coming team like Houston. That would be an excellent get for them.

Mike, all this shows just how interchangeable all these guys are, or at least that's how the NFL views them. They're all interchangeable, which is crazy. To me, Austin Eckler makes the Chiefs so much better if they were able to land him, you know? Think of that. Austin Eckler, the way he catches the ball out of the backfield, Pacheco running the ball. I mean, what a great one-two punch that would be. Yeah. Just got married though. So we'll see if, uh, you know, the wife wants to enjoy Kansas City for a year or two. Or is it about to get married? Yeah. He also didn't have the nicest things to say about Taylor Swift and that whole thing.

So we're going to see if Taylor allows him to play on the Chiefs, I suppose. Oh, yeah. All right. You have one more rumor for us? Well, it wouldn't be a Combine Week rumor mill without a couple of scouts Saying stuff and according to the scouts on the rumor mill. They have Spencer Rattler Rated above both Bonix and Michael Pennings. Yes, Spencer Rattler Spencer Rattler was was on Collision course coming into college to be the be the Caleb Williams of Williams of this class or whenever he was going to come out. And that's fallen off as he's moved a bit, you know, last up.

That was three colleges ago. Exactly. It was South Carolina now. There are things I like out of Spencer Rettler. I now was so wild, maybe just goes to show what everybody else didn't do in the senior bowl. He was the MVP and he threw four passes in the senior bowl, four for four. Four passes. Yeah, I guess so. He was the top rated D lineman and never played the position.

Exactly right, exactly right. So who knows? We'll see. I mean, again, we're not gonna tell a lot in shorts and a T-shirt for sure. But if it makes people really study him in his film and what he does, there's gonna be some, we, this happens every year, right?

Well, there's going to be five quarterbacks taken in the first round. Two or three of them are going to be busts. And there's going to be quarterbacks taken from the third round, third round on down to the seventh round, who will be better than some of those drafted before him. This happens every single year. Yep, it does. Billy, you want to do the NFLPA with Mike real quick? Steve Spagnola, get to join us. Spag's going to join us. Coming up here in a few minutes, Gullick.

Yeah, that's a boy. Listen, I love playing for Buddy Rines defense. I love playing for Bud Carson's type of defense. I would have loved playing for Spag's defense, man. That is a, that is a, you know, they adjust well and eventually they get after your ass defense. I really, I really enjoy his play calling. Well, I'll say this, Mike, we have very little time left in fact, we're way over time, but I will ask you this. When you were in the NFL, did you, I guess this is done every year. The NFL players team report cards. So they rank teams based on a certain number of categories, seven categories, I believe, treatment of families,

food, nutritionists, locker room, training room, training staff and weight room. With the hope that this will help potential free agents in determining where to go and to kind of, I guess, keep the teams honest in those categories. So of those categories, I guess, which of which to you would have been most important as a free agent?

So there's actually 11 as well with head coach and owner in there. To me, it would be, you know, like I, there are some I don't care about. Remember we're, we're making these college facilities great to entice the 18 year old to come there. Now that's fading a bit. It's more about NIL. In the NFL, you're getting paid, you go work. Who cares what your weight room looks like, right?

You'd like your family to be treated well with a family room there. But the thing about a training staff, you look at why Dallas dropped, I think from fifth to 12th, one of the biggest complaints was the training staff. Now by CBA, you have to have at least three onsite trainers there, and they're thinking,

now that's not even enough to get the kind of treatment that you need. Those are things I would be more concerned about, not what my locker room looks like, not what kind of food I'm getting, though that would be nice luxuries to have. Hell, I remember interviewing Tekeo Spikes when Greeny and I were doing Mike and Mike at ESPN,

and he was just hoping to get an extra towel for a shower when he was playing for the Bengals. A lot of the F's in these categories you see now, these were A's in my day. I mean, that's how different it is now, but not a lot of that affects what happens. Look where Kansas City was ranked in a lot of things and are back to back Super Bowl champion. So. Last. Yeah, exactly, except for coach. And you read us right near the top. So yeah, you would like to have a better living,

you know, work environment area, but you know, teams aren't gonna jump to some teams will tweak and change some like Cincinnati, not charging the younger players like or whatever team it was for their food. Or if you want a room alone on the road you have to pay extra. I mean there's some really dumb stuff in there but I don't think it's anything to deter a free agent who may get paid a lot of money from going there.

Let's hope for Billy's sake it's important to Derek Henry. There you go. Now Miami ranked very high. They were the top. They were number one, yes, owner, everything. Owner had a rumor milk. No, this was according to a vote. This was a vote, yes, this was a vote. Weaving two segments, I get it, I got it, I get it. I'll go like you look refreshed because you're not, we're not talking about football seven days a week anymore. So, I'm looking for it.

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The greatest coordinator of all time is joining us here on Goblet's football. What are you laughing at, Spag? You're the only coordinator to win four Super Bowls, man. Well, I don't know if that constitutes that kind of act of accolades, but I appreciate it. I do. That's more about the players than the assistant coaches I have, really. You just, that's very humble of you. Your schemes are amazing, but you're right.

It's a player's league. You were just at the combine, huh? Yeah, just got back. Listen, we're right back into it. I tell you what, it's like with the length of the season now with the 17 games and the Super Bowl falling where it does, you know, you don't get it. You don't really get a chance to breathe.

You've had a little bit of time down in Miami last week, but bang, here we are. It's on the next year, but that's the cycle of NFL football. Are you addicted to football spags? Seriously? Yeah. I get it from you. Look, I still like the beach.

I like to play golf. I like to hang with my wife. So it's not a total addiction, but you know what? I'm not sure you can be in this business and kind of do it the right way. I think we're all built like that. I mean, you kind of get married to it for eight months

or whatever that stretches, that grind. But I do enjoy it. I do enjoy it. Let me ask it differently. Is your wife tired of football? Yeah, she was probably tired of it a long time ago, but no, she, I tell you what she likes, Stu Godson. She likes the relationships, you know,

especially with the guys, the players. She very much ties in, and I love that part of it. I mean, we do a lot of things with the guys, and then our guys know she loves them, and that's a big part of what we do. They like you, but they love her, right? Exactly, that's it. I'm gonna use that quote

Well, I was reading some quotes from your players on this particular chiefs team saying that Mrs. Spagnola is the key to the whole team That she makes the best Italian dishes that they've ever had is that is that indeed true? Well, can you blame him? I mean look anybody like to tell you this No, she connects. Listen, she's a giver and a server. She does a lot of that. She's a strong Christian woman, so she does a lot of that throughout the community and other communities. But she loves to serve these guys because she knows they like it. And I think they appreciate it. So we do it as much as we can. We have a Friday deal where I'm bringing in. It's usually, you know, they love the banana pudding. That's the big one.

And then Saturday mornings, we would do a, the guy that got probably the biggest hit, we call it the Kram Award. He gets the big post of this. So that's what they're talking about. Ha ha ha ha. You're back from the combine. We see you're in the office.

Walk us through that big board behind you. Who are we thinking? What, that's an amazing board. Yes. What are we like here? What are the chiefs looking at here. I probably don't have that on video. Although nobody else would be able to. That's the backdrop. I'll be digging deep into that in the next few weeks. Is that all the draft and free agency rankings back there? What is that, Spax? That's a little bit everything. That's some some defense. You shouldn't be showing us this. We got it all up there. I'm gonna do one of these for those who

can read it. You should do that the whole time. Yeah. Like one of those inflatable things outside of a 7-Eleven. Yeah. If you can figure, if somebody can figure that out, then give me a call. Oh my god, that is so great. Spags, I'm wondering, because I see how close you and Andy read are, and I know you've known them for a long time. And so I'm just wondering, can you describe that relationship for us, what it started as, and what it's grown into today? Yeah, great question.

If I take it all the way back to 1999 when Andy hired me, I mean, look at, we're the same age, kind of came up the same way through the college ranks and then he jumped into The NFL with the Green Bay Packers and Mike Holmgren And he just kind of took off because that's him he's special But you know so you start out as a quality control guy and Andy had kind of a different relationship But we knew each other as his friends and people in the business before he hired me But thank God I owe everything to him getting in the business.

And then, you know, I mean, he just was really great and he's always been this way. He is still this way to today. He's always promoting guys from within. He's always, you know, the guys he identifies as good coaches and people that he wants to keep. He just keeps and he did that. I did that throughout his system in Philadelphia with Jim Johnson, and then of course, after that left him, Jaius, and the whole thing.

And then for him to bring me back in 2019 was a huge blessing. We had always stayed in touch. I mean, when we were head coaches together, when I was in St. Louis and he was in Philly, and I think all the guys that work for Andy do this, but you become a head coach. The first guy you call with any kind of question

is Andy Reid, you know? We're on the phone with him, we text him back and forth. So that relationship always was there. And then when I had the opportunity to come, I jumped on it and it's been great of a sense. He's a special guy, John, in that he's rock solid. The guy is steady, nothing rattles him.

The players recognize that. I think the the staff and the players kind of echo that. And I think that behind the scenes is the biggest reason for, you know, the success that we've had. Spax, did you think at any point, because there were rumors flying around, did you think at any point that Andy Reed might retire after the season? I never felt that. I mean, I think people are always going to ask that when you get to Andy's age and the success he's been. But he's got so much energy. And this, you know, you, you asked me, if I was addicted to football, you're asking

the same question. I think he'd tell you the same thing. He might be addicted to it, but he loves it. And you can see it every day when he comes in here. He, he has not lost one bit of energy Not one bit of spark. I mean you see how intelligent he is with everything he does offensively and I just love being around him I love working with him. What was your reaction when Kelsey bumped into him? They're you know, this right because he handled it so well and you know, I did yeah listen those guys they have a special

Relationship and this isn't but that's crazy to us, right? Spags to you guys, that's normal to us on the outside. That's crazy. That's a good way to say it. Look, it always sparks flying on the sideline and this thing's going on all the time. And typically, you know, the next day or even in the locker room after the game, that stuff is so just, I think it's just gone. I mean, it's just part of the nature of the game. Mikey, A and I were talking before you came on here about you wanting to be a head coach.

Well, Mikey, go ahead and ask the question. No, you talked about how great of a coordinator he is and the next natural jump is to want to go back into that head coaching ring. Is that something you want to do? Is that something you're trying to get done? Well, look, so I've answered this, I'll answer it the same way I have all the way through. We all, I think, are built,

I'm talking about coaches now, the same way. We all aspire to run our own show. I had the opportunity to do that in St. Louis, it didn't go great. If you get a second opportunity, I think you're always better because you learn from your mistakes. Whenever you get one of these first time head jobs,

there's no manual for all the things that you gotta go through. You kinda learn on the run. So, I think experience is the best thing. So, what I do to get absolutely, but I always follow that up with saying, if it never happens again, I'm a blessed guy. I mean, listen, I leave that whole thing in God's hands.

That's just the way I'm built. I don't lose sleep over it. I have a tremendous job right now. I work for the best head coach in the league. And so if it doesn't work out, that's okay. What I want to, yeah, and we'll see what happens. And if it works out great, if not, I'm a happy man. Spax, I was trying to make the argument

that you're so great at what it is you do. And when you take on the responsibilities, all the responsibilities of the head coach, you were no longer focusing on stopping an offense. You're no longer focusing on your defense. And I feel like you're the best in the business. Why not just continue to do that on that team in particular? Jesus. Well, you bring up a good point and it's probably why I'm able to sit here and say,

look, if it doesn't work out, that's okay. But I think we're all built, we're prideful guys, right? We all are. You guys have been in athletics, all of you have been involved with it and we all wanna win. We all wanna aspire to be to the top and win at the most elite level.

So the drive is still there, but again, if it doesn't work out, that's okay too. You've been in Kansas City for five years I was telling the guys right before you came on that's the longest you've been in one place since 1987 to 1991 I believe which was you con like you got to be tired of moving. You mean as a coordinator yeah that's true because I was eight years as an assistant in Philadelphia. It's funny I was just having this conversation with a younger coach who was asking for advice

and I did say to them that I think one of the things to do in this profession, if you're at a young age, is to do a lot of moving around. I believe that if you can rub elbows with a lot of people down the road, I think that helps you because they've seen you. They know your work ethic. It's all about context in this league.

It's probably no different than any business, right? I mean, I would assume the business you guys are in, you know, the next job you get is because somebody you know. So I think the moving around helps you. Now I was fortunate, guys, that, you know, at the time I wasn't married, so I didn't have children and I wasn't you know You're not taking kids out of schools. I get that sometimes when you have a family you can't do too much moving But it worked for me

And I think that it's important when you're a young coach to do that Now you have five kids, right? Is that No, we don't have any children. We have my my wife and I have adopted children and they're now grown now And they've got kids. So I'm a grandfather, you know, and that makes me feel old, but that's okay. How many of the grandchildren adopted children, how many of them wanted to meet Taylor Swift?

How many of them met Taylor Swift? Yeah, well, we keep that, that's the whole, we keep that over on our side. Thank you, I appreciate it. Your trap board's right in front of us, bags. The trap board is there for the taking though. Spags, Patrick Mahomes, all the years you've been in the NFL, of all the quarterbacks you have coached against or coached with,

is Patrick Mahomes the best quarterback you've seen? Well, listen, he's certainly that right now. But listen, Tom Brady, you know, we had to defend quite a bit. He's obviously one of the greatest. It's hard to do that. I think it's really, I think you do that when everything's all done, right? And Patrick still has some years to go here.

And I'm just hoping he can keep staying on the same trajectory. He makes us better every day. I mean, listen, we have to practice against Patrick every day, him and Andy, and what they're putting together. And, you know, it's a competitive deal. That's what I love about what Andy has here. And we go out here for OTAs in another month and a half or whatever it's going to be.

We'll be trying to knock each other out. They'll be trying to score on us. We'll be trying to stop them. And it makes us better. I think that's one of the threads of what we have here that keeps us going getting better and better Spags you got a couple of big-time free agents on your defense Lagerius need possibly and Chris Jones. Yeah, how important is it to get those guys back? Yeah, I mean from my perspective guys, I mean, you know, you, I'm praying

every day that we do get them back. I, I understand. Listen, I know the landscape of the NFL and sometimes it's tough to keep everybody because there's a cap and the whole thing. And I want, listen, I want all these guys to get paid. I mean, that's just the nature of what you do. You want all the guys that work for you, whether it's a coach or a player to excel, get the most they can out of this profession in a lot of different ways. But from my perspective, obviously, we want both those guys to be here. Spax, we'll get you out of here in just a minute here. We do appreciate the time. The Super Bowl you won against Tom Brady. I know you value all the Super Bowls. They all mean

a lot to you. Is there one that kind of stands out because you stopped this legendary quarterback and legendary offense and Spags, you should have won Super Bowl MVP. In fact, you should have won twice. You should have won it this past year and the year that you beat the Patriots with the Giants.

I'm not sure any coaches in MVP have won it because it's still the guys playing on the field, right? But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, Stu gots that, that team that we did play in 07, that Patriot team. I mean, if I, if my brain can get back there, I mean, they were far ahead of the, the curve. I mean, they, they were spreading it out and throwing it to all the wideouts that Tom had.

And that was the best team I've ever seen, Spags. It's the best team I've ever seen. If you just put it in context, I, going into the game quite frankly, and I've said this before, I was, if we could hold them under 30, I felt like that was a good game. That's how good it was.

And I didn't know if we could do that, to be quite honest with you, but our guys rose up. Now, you know, I'm in the middle of this one right now and the feeling of the way the game. This group that we had this year was a special in terms of high IQ football players. I never had as many high IQ. I've had a lot of high IQ players.

Antonio Pierce is the head coach now. Kelvin Shepherd is coaching in Detroit. He was a Mike Landbacker for me with the Giants. Jeremiah Trout, a bunch of them. And James Laranitis when I was in St. Louis. But as a total group of guys together, this was the most we had. And I think that more than anything,

that and the way our assistant coaches conveyed game plans to them from an intelligence standpoint was the key reason why we were able to do what we did. And I thought it was special what the guys put together, how they played through the playoff run, and certainly what they did in the Super Bowl. I mean, I didn't like the fact that we gave up 22 points or 19 or whatever it was. I was hoping we could get that a little lower, but that offense that San Francisco has, what Kyle does, the quarterback, I think, is tremendous.

I thought they did a really good job. It was a good game. You wanted to shut him out, didn't you, Spax? We always do. You're not happy with your performance. It was an all-time performance by your defense, Spax. When you look at it, guys, the ultimate achievement for any defensive player or defensive coach would to be to have a shutout in a Super Bowl. I'm not sure you can you can get do anything better than that. So that's where gun and four didn't happen that way. But yes, that's what you're gunning for.

Beating the best offense. We all, you know, most of us have ever seen that was is pretty damn good. Spectre. You've done good is what I'm talking about. That was better. Yeah. And by the way, when the jets up and they will, okay, and Sally gets fired, if you want to be a head coach again, we'd love to have you.

Okay. All right, we'll see what happens. We don't we don't worry about that right now. But I feel you guys are you not all jet fans though, right? Yeah, we you have two jet fans me and Mike. Yeah, you have Billy who's a dolphin fan. So that's awesome. That's great. I tell you what, when you got Billy wasn't happy with your first round of the playoffs. I have to be honest. No, you are my favorite person. And that first that first hat that first half in Germany, I didn't like you very much either.

I'll tell you what, it was cold that that playoff game. I'm telling you what, that was real cold guys. And I knew it would be tougher. We kind of got a good Lord helped us that that game because I know it's hard to go from South Miami, South Beach and go play in Kansas City of minus 30. That's not easy to do. All right, man. Hey, we appreciate the time. Next time we do this bags, I don't want to talk any football.

I want to talk Italian food and drinking beer and playing golf. OK. I'm all for it. I'm OK. Hopefully you get one of those guys on the board behind you. All right. We'll pull somebody off. I appreciate you guys having me on.

It's a lot of fun. Thanks. All right. Thank you, Spax. We appreciate it, man. You got it. All right.