The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - GBF: Todd, Todd, Todd McShay

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Todd McShay gets the guys ready for the the NFL Draft next Thursday, which positions are deep, which have the quickest drop off, how has NIL affected the way teams are drafting and what it's like being booked to join Stugotz as a guest. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I caught him off guard. God bless football, Billy Gill. That's my bad. Yeah. What happened there, Billy? I did, because we're talking and we're going to do a top five here and he did tell us it's very difficult for me to do this, but I didn't want to exclude exclude him and then we had Mikey there, but Mikey had an internet thing So it's like I didn't want to just go right back to you and hurt anyone's feelings, but instead I've now

derailed this show Alright, so Mike Fuentes has a top five that we will get to that are very excited about Yeah, we will get to here in just a second Tariq Chay is gonna join us coming up here. We had Mel a couple of weeks ago, McShay gonna join us this week as we continue to get ready for the NFL Draft, which by the time you hear or watch this episode

will be just six days away from the first round of the NFL Draft. You excited, Billy? Road to the draft. I'm excited, you're gonna be there. I am? You're gonna be there doing a live show from you and Mike Yeh from Detroit-ish.

We'll be at the draft. Yeah. Detroit-ish? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the draft's in Detroit. It's not in Detroit-ish. Yeah, you'll be there. Don't worry.

You will be there. I'll be where? You'll be at the DraftKings, social DraftKings sports book up there. You will be there. I'll be where? You'll be at the DraftKings, social DraftKings sports book up there. You will be there, fans can go see you, say hello. And I'm gonna be here holding down the fort as we do a draft day watch along 2024. Okay, so you'll be holding down the fort?

I'll be here holding down the fort in the studio. You guys will be out having the fun, talking to the draft picks, covering the draft with the people. Lucy will be in Detroit also. You guys will be out having the fun, talking to the draft picks, covering the draft with the people. Lucy will be in Detroit also. She's gonna be talking to some fans, she's gonna be doing some off-roading. We're gonna try to check in with her.

And we're trying to get some guests, have some fun. I'm excited about next week in the draft. All right, Lucy is going to be in Detroit or Detroit-ish? She'll be in Detroit. You'll be in Detroit and Detroit-ish. Why am I driving all... no one's told me a plan. Yeah, you know you got a plan. You know what you're doing. No I don't. You know what you're doing. I'm gonna go to Pat McAfee's party. Well, you can't go to Pat McAfee's party because he's doing his own draft watch along and we're doing a draft watch along.

We're doing the same thing. You can't be there. Yeah. Got it. Okay. But you're holding down the Fort Miami. I'll be holding down the Fort here. Yeah. In Miami, I'm going to have some people with me. Jess will be here.

Tony will be here. Juju will be here. I think Chris Cody will be here. I'm not exactly sure. Mike Fuentes will be here. Jason will be here. I have an offensive line expert that I have on call who will be here helping us out with things. Not Mike Golick Jr. Another

offensive line expert. So believe his name is Ian. So things are going well. Planning is going great. I'm trying to see if we can. Should I say it? Trying to see if we can arrange that seance so we can remove the Dolphins curse during the draft watch along but that hasn't been really in it yeah lots of you're trying to get Rosalyn and Greg Cody to reach out you're trying i'm efforting Greg Cody and Don Shula through our friendly witch Rosalyn i'm efforting now okay when we pitch this idea to Rosalyn the first time she wasn't exactly 100 in on this idea. So if we can't do it with Rosalind, I may have to be going out to find other means

to reach out to Don Shula because here's the thing, and I'm not saying this is reactionary, but as you mentioned, Pat McAfee, he's gonna be doing it with who he said is the GOAT coach of all time in Bill Belichick. And Bill Belichick was great, I heard him on his show. Now, Belichick has not caught up to Don Schula yet. So if we could get Don Schula on with us, I mean, I feel like.

I see. I like it. Not that that's what we're doing because we have other business to handle with Don Schula which is remove the curse first, right? But if we can get him on to discuss the draft, then bonus. You know what I mean? Once he, once him and Cody

rectified their their situation you're saying that dog she'll will hopefully will be able to stay on with us from the dead will be able to stay on with us to fight track maybe a bigger to not yeah not a ton see he did get I mean listen he did get marino late in that first round. No one else took him. It's a busy day, draft day. So who knows? Who knows? We'll see.

Anyway, great. If we don't get Don Shula, who can we have on? I mean, Steve Belichick? You want Steve? I do like how every NFL person like surrounding the NFL, whether they're like a head coach or not, are still doing all of their draft evaluations, like they're still watching tape breaking down film, of course, ranking all of their players, even if they're not actually making picks, which is great. Right.

I will tell you, I reached out to spags, our boys spags. Did you hit just for you to see if he wants to hang around draft night. The Chiefs pick late in the first round every year. He said no, very quickly, I'm assuming. Hey, by the way, what happened, you assured us that Bill Belichick would be on this week doing an interview with us if he was at Northwestern

at the lacrosse game that you were at. Yeah. And I saw footage of him at said lacrosse tournament, and I thought, wow, this is great. Bill Belichick, if he's going to do media this week, it'll be here. Stugat promised me. And then I saw him on another show. I saw him on with Pat McAfee, not on with us.

What happened to that? They have more money. Oh, bigger platform. But did you did you talk to him? I did not. Well, well that's- He was standing under a tree at the Northwestern lacrosse game and he was on the phone the entire time. Yeah.

On the opposite side of the field from where I sit. Yeah, maybe- He had sideline access that they don't grant me Billy. The sideline access. I was gonna say you make your way over to that tree. You pretend to be on the phone. He's pretending to be on the phone. Two of you guys will say, yeah, neither one of us want to be bothered, we're both the big stars

here, and then you kind of become friends over that. Yeah. No, you'll love this because what I was processing, Billy, and like, man, I wanted to walk over there so badly, but if I walk over to the tree he was standing under, that means I have to walk across the field. Yeah. Opposite sideline. Very close to the Northwestern bench. I cannot do that to Rachel. Why? It's so embarrassing. Because I've embarrassed her enough.

Isn't it like a halftime or something in lacrosse? Can't you just do it then? Yeah, but he was he went in with the team at halftime. He was like he gave the pregame speech. He was talking to the kids as they came off the field during timeouts. It was great. It was amazing.

It sounds like this falls on Rachel. Like Rachel had access to battle. And you know, maybe slip a number to him, you know? But whatever. We're not here to blame Rachel. That's not what today is about. No, it's not what today is about. I didn't tell Rachel again.

Yeah. It didn't dawn on me. I should have. Rach, wind up an interview for your dad with Belichick. Anyway. Anyway. Let's get to Mike. What does his top five here, Billy? We have Tom McShane coming up, getting you ready for the NFL draft. I'll be in Detroit ish.

As Billy pointed out earlier next week. I hate you. Anyway, let's get to Mike. What does Mike, are you going to deliver this yourself? Is that what we're doing here? Yeah, I'm going to do it. The disembodied voice of Mike Fuentes will do it. What is your top five? It's the top five QBs that need to show me something in 2024. Wow. Oh, wow. It's a good top five. I need to be excited.

They need to show you something, not anyone else, just you. Not their boss, not their owner, not their coach, just me their coach just me college NFL just or just quarterbacks and NFL guys okay all NFL guys you want to guess Billy ah I mean I have one for sure Bryce Young no he wasn't my one let's let him get to it okay we're gonna start with number five I'm gonna have Jason here doing the fanfare Jason one of our directors yeah number five. I'm gonna have Jason here doing the fanfare Jason one of our directors Yeah, number five is Caleb Williams He's been hyped up for two years he's a lot for the number one pick, you know Usually these guys come on to bad teams. They have no weapons, right? He's got all the weapons. Yeah

All right, he's got Kenan Allen. He's got Deandre Swift. He has DJ Moore still there everything we said Justin Fields needed to succeed right coming into the league with Justin Fields had it couldn't do anything this guy He has a chance. He's been hyped up for two years, too Yeah, so he has a little bit of pressure. I said show me something no right now though. They built a team They weren't certain he wanted to play in Chicago in that city for that organization But they made it nearly impossible for him to say no Yeah, there's no that is as ready a team with a number one overall pick as you'll ever see. Defense is good as you pointed out.

Why receivers are good. They have a running game. They have a decent offensive line. So I agree with that. I actually think it hasn't even been drafted yet. And Caleb Williams already needs to show me something. I like that. And also the way this league is now, if you're a number one overall pick,

you have to be ready to play. Yeah. You have to be. And we slaughtered Bryce Young last year, maybe unfairly. So that leads me into number four. Stu, you nailed it. Bryce Young. Wow. Oh wow. It's year two. Here's the deal. Sorry to cut you off. Here's the deal. Bryce Young went to a team that was not ready. Correct. Right? I wouldn't, like if I, it were me coming out of college, I wouldn't want to play for Carolina. He should have held out. Oh yeah, man. That seems good.

Yeah, but it's year number two. He needs CJ Stroud blew up, which was the worst thing that could happen to him. Right. Besides being drafted by Carolina. And CJ went to a good team. Correct. Yeah.

So now like your take on Caleb. You have to you have to progress a little bit more. I'm not saying that Bryce Young has to come out and be a world beater, but he has to show some kind of improvement. So Carolina fans feel a little better about that pick because then you trade away the number one overall pick. I guess you didn't know it was going to be the number one overall pick at the time. And now you could have had Caleb Williams. It didn't trade that pick.

So let's Bryce. I need to show us something. Number three, Jalen hurts. You got to show me that Superbowl year year wasn't a fluke. Oh boy. Last year he wasn't that great. Oh boy. So that's number three. Number two. You know, who's standing behind them now? Funtas Tom Brady sitting there, you know, Philadelphia fans love them. Can he pick it? I was going to say Tom Brady. Yeah. Brady's always standing behind. Yeah, exactly. He's standing around. He's standing behind 32 quarterbacks.

It's why the Patriots are gonna trade the third pick of the draft. They know he's coming back. I mean. Number two, Russell Wilson. How? Ah, Russ. They told him he was washed.

You can come back, do something. And the thing is that this number two is actually a two A and two B, because if he gets hurt, it becomes Justin Fields. Are you certain it won't be Justin Fields to begin with? It might be. Well, we know that Russell starting. Yeah. If Russell doesn't show me something, boom, it's Justin Fields. Now he has to show me something. Right. But that's Tom one's decision. Not yours. Hey, well, you know what? I'm riding my boy, Tom, whoever he picks, show me something. This number one can go a number of, I think, two ways. And I'm surprised that both people are not on this top five list.

What do you think it is? And tell me, well, I don't want to ruin it. No, no, no, you won't. I don't think you know. I, I feel like I know who number one is. Unless you have laser vision over my shoulder in the other room right now. I can see my, I know who I can't see it, but I feel like I know who you're going to say. Give it a guess. I think that you're going to say Trevor Lawrence, not Trevor Lawrence, but the other one is going to say to a, I was going, that's the, those were the two or Aaron. Nah, you're both wrong. Number one,

really? Kyler Murray. He came back late. He came back late from an injury. Arizona is in a prime drafting position where they could make some moves and get his replacement. They're going to get him Marvin Harrison Jr. When they give him Marvin Harrison Jr. he has to show me something. Came back from an injury late. He showed some signs. There's literally nobody on that team besides him and a guy named McBride who's the Titan, but they're going to get him a top tier talent. Do something with that talent. Show me something.

You spent all of last season criticizing Trevor Lawrence yeah but to me he's already dead in the water so oh so he can't show me anything he can't show you anything he showed it all no longer available to show you something he showed me everything didn't like it so should they draft the quarterback the Jaguars what pick are they pretty? Well, it's a deep year. You just killed Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, he's done. He's over. And two is show me enough.

Deadman, I can't show him anything. I've seen it all. He had his chance. Yeah, two is show me enough. He led the league in passing yards. I can't like, two is show me something. I know. Well, how about you show me that you can come back from, you know, being down. It's going to be so interesting that the Dolphins could not pay him 55 million dollars a year. They can't I'm sorry They just can't he's not a 55 million dollar a year quarterback But if you don't give it to him somebody else will and that's that's the problem

It's just so hard to find a quarter back to a 55 million dollars if the Dolphins didn't I think there are teams dying to Pay him 55 million dollars in the Dolphins really yeah, think there are teams dying to pay him $55 million of the Dolphins really? Yeah, cuz it's just so hard to find a good quarterback. You know how it is, you know I guess you end up with Desmond Ritter, you know, it's terrible Jaguars are at 17. Yeah. Yeah 17 I'm sorry the Jaguars. Yeah Drafting a quarterback I'm excited to see how you and Mike Yeh from Detroit-ish are going to be celebrating. We should go to Mike Yeh to get some clarity on this. Yeah, that's a good

idea. It's going to be interesting to see what the Jets do, I can tell you that, because I want Bowers, but they should probably take a tackle. We'll talk to Todd McShea about that, we'll do it next. A lot's changed over the years. I remember when you could surprise opposing teams with onside kicks. When a pitcher took as long as a pitcher needed. No pitch clock. Not that type of pitcher. Not a pitcher cold miller like. No no no.

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Draft guru, Todd McShea is with us. We are less than a week away from the NFL Draft. Todd, how you doing, man? We appreciate you doing this. I know it's a busy time for you, man. I'm like, you have to be, you have to at some point get tired of evaluating players in the NFL Draft. I haven't gotten there yet, especially in these different circumstances.

So I've had a lot of a lot of extra time on my hand. I get to actually do what I love which is actually evaluating the players and I don't have to deal with the constantly being tugged from one place to the next and it also helps when I'm dealing with someone like you who's booking a show. Oh boy. Absolute disaster. Have at it.

Figure out like a half hour to sit down and talk. You ready? You ready for this, bud? Yeah. Oh no. Oh God. So first of all, I know Metal Lark Media is doing pretty well. We've got to have someone who can book, right?

Yeah. Stugatsa's texting back and forth. So we go back and forth for like a couple days and I sent him a text like, here's the deal. I'm available tomorrow. This is, this is two days ago. I said I'm available tomorrow. Yeah. Before 10 AM from 11 AM to noon and then 3 PM for the rest of the day. And Stu gots, right? Sorry, I was recording. Awesome, think tomorrow at 11, at 11 the noon hour will work, we'll confirm shortly.

Three hours later, I get a text back saying, how's 10.30 a.m.? Yeah. Meanwhile, remember I wrote, I'm available before 10 and then from 11 to noon. Make it very clear from 10 to 11, I'm tied up. And I said, I'm taping from 10 to 11. If done early,. I said I'm taping from 10 to 11 If done early I can jump on but but but but and then he writes back to you after his back Oh, okay. That was one of the times you gave earlier

Just text me when you're done and we'll start taking we could tape and then Cool question mark. I was like, yeah, absolutely talk tomorrow and then I wrote by the way You suck at reading. Just read my above text, please. I was like, this will be brought up. This will be brought up tomorrow. He does the crying emoji and says, it's even weirder because I'm at 1130. Yeah, I'm a bad reader and a bad writer.

I mean, I'm at that. And then we're getting ready to go on. I said, we'll be ready. I'll be ready in 10 minutes. This is yesterday at 11 on. I said, I'll be ready in 10 minutes. This is yesterday at 1101. I said, I'll be ready in 10 minutes. I was getting done with another show. He wrote, hey, apologies, having some tech issues.

Would it be possible to do three o'clock today? And then I call him in the middle of the time that we were supposed to be on. And he's like, yeah, can we do it later? I was like, yeah, we'll either do it later today or tomorrow morning. He's like, OK. He's like, all right, I got to run back in. I'm still taking Leviton. Like, wait, can we do later? I was like, yeah, we'll either do later or later tomorrow morning. He's like, okay. He's like, all right, I gotta run back in.

I'm still taping Leviton. Like, wait, I thought you were having tech issues. Yeah, no, no, that was the tech issue, Leviton. Yeah. Right. Right. Oh, yeah. Listen, whenever I send you tech issues, okay,

just know that Leviton's like, hey, stay put. You can't leave, okay? Yeah, Leviton or golf, one of the two. It wasn't golf, I promise you. Todd, I have to tell you, that's not the worst time that he has used tech issues as an excuse to rearrange an interview. We had a time that somehow something happened where we double booked Mike Breen and Jake Paul at the same time. You're gonna love this. McShell, you're gonna love this. So, Mike Breen, he told all,

we're gonna do like 40 minutes. And I think it was a similar thing where it's like, oh, you know, five more minutes, 10 minutes. And it somehow it just kept getting pushed back and pushed back to the point where it's like, we have eight minutes until Jake Paul is supposed to talk to us about some boxing match against who knows who he's fighting, right?

So then he's talking to Mike Breen. We're in the middle of the Mike Breen interview. The Jake Paul people keep calling and they're trying to join, I think, like the exact same Zoom. So I'm sitting back and I'm like, how is he gonna get out of this one? Like, what are we gonna do here?

So then on a working microphone, he, or yeah, a working microphone, he tells Mike Breen, hey, Mike, I'm having some technical issues. I can't hear you. I don't think you can hear me. So he's pretending not to hear Mike Breen, but he's answering everything Mike Breen says.

And he says, just a moment, wait, let me sign out. Give me five, 10 minutes to figure this out. So he leaves- How did Breen fall for that? He leaves the Zoom, leaves poor Mikey in the Zoom with Mike Breen. We leave, we do an entire Jake Paul interview. Come back, come back,

come back. Mike Breen is still sitting there for like 10, 15 minutes. He's been sitting there just with Mikey making small talk, whatever, rejoins and then like crystal clear, perfect sound and he's like, can you hear me? He's like, I don't know if I can hear you. And he's like answering every question Mike Breen says, but he's still pretending that there was a tech. Exactly right. And then does the Mike Breen interview, but he kept Mike Breen waiting for 15, 20 minutes to talk to Jake.

Ridiculous. You're enjoying that, huh? So this is just a minor fallout. Well, here's the incidentally, Billy had an emergency yesterday and I didn't want to put his business out there And so that's why I went with tech issues because Billy had an emergency yesterday and I was trying to cater to Billy I mean it was you're gonna put his issues out there. No, so it's fine. My daughter felt who I had to take her to get stitches

It's not a big deal. It's okay. Like everything's fine, but I was perfectly happy with like yeah You could just you could talk to Todd and then I'll guy, I'll miss this one. It's not a big deal. Not like it's fine. Yeah. Don't worry about it. That's great. Yeah. You never want to stop. So you gots.

Well, here's the best thing Todd is that like half the time there are tech issues, but it's like before we're just getting started at like his home setup. So it's like, we'll be here while he's trying to figure out the camera, the mic, it's like, just don't unplug things, leave everything fine and we'll be good to go at the designated time. Anyways, the draft is here, huh? I'm sitting right here, guys.

Hey, buddy. Hello, friends. Yeah, the draft is here. McShane, where would you stack up this draft class as opposed to, you know, past draft classes, all the classes you've covered here in your career? Where does this one stack up? I think it has a chance to be a special one when we look back because the positions that are most important are pretty loaded. You know, every year we talk about the quarterbacks, obviously. I think

we're going to see five quarterbacks in the first round. I think four belong there. I think Caleb Williams obviously has a chance to be a special, special talent. Jaden Daniels, if you just studied the tape from last year and compared the two, I mean, I've walked away saying, like, if I didn't have 2022 and I didn't, you know, see the whole picture, there would be a real argument between Caleb and Jayden. That's how great Jayden was this past year. Then Drake May has all the upside in the world, but I think he needs to sit for a year. I don't think he's where he needs to be yet.

And JJ McCarthy is a proven winner. He has the tools, doesn't have the volume that you look for in some of the other quarterbacks. And so there's a little bit of risk there, but I think he's got a chance to be a good starter. We'll see how that goes. But anytime you come into a year where there's always gonna be need for quarterback,

where you have four guys that belong somewhere in the top 15 and probably will wind up getting pushed up to the top five picks, you're happy in terms of what's being offered. But then, offensive tackle, this might be the strongest group in a decade. Wow. And I know it's not great for television

and people are like, yeah, great, but let's talk about the receivers and the quarterback. Like NFL teams are frothing at the mouth. You know, they are dying to get, especially, we've kind of had a drought for several years of great offensive linemen coming in from college. This group is stacked. Wide receiver, wide receiver used to be kind of a second tier position need.

Now because of the league and spreading things out and the new rules and the way the offenses are, wide receiver is one of the top three, four positional needs. It's another loaded class. And then you look on the defensive side, cornerback, you're not gonna see someone in the top seven, eight picks, but there's gonna probably be four or five corners going the first round. So, and there's good edge rushers, not elite.

It's not like it has been in years past, but those five positions are the most important five positions on the field. And they're gonna take up, I would guess, I don't know, maybe like 18, 20 picks in the first round at those positions. Wow. Who's the best tackle in the draft? Joel from Notre Dame.

People are saying like he's the best tackle. He's the best tackle to come into college like the last decade. Is that fair? I don't know the last decade, but I would say in the last few years, and if you watch him, it's interesting because he's not this like dominant overpowering guy where you get these great like highlight reels, you know, on draft night of him pancaking, you know,

linebackers on the second level and all that stuff, but damn, he's efficient. Like you, you know, you can just plug him in, he's going to start from day one, he's going to be a really good pass protector, really solid run blocker. There's not a lot of holes in his game. But behind like Ole Fashanu from Penn State was supposed to be that guy, he was supposed to be him this year. Didn't have a great past season. He never took it to another level and so there's concerns about why. But I think if he gets with the right offensive line coach,

he's going to be a star in the league. And the list goes on legitimately, I think six, seven offensive linemen go in the first round. You know, it's interesting because a lot of teams are trying to get that quarterback on a rookie contract that you brought wide receiver and you're seeing more wide receivers become good right away in the NFL.

That never used to be the case. It used to take them a couple of years. Now they're good and they're good right away in the NFL. That never used to be the case. It used to take them a couple of years. Now they're good and they're good right away. And the new trend or one of the new trends with drafting, GMs are trying to get wide receivers on those rookie contracts as well. Less money they have to spend on a big time position.

Look at the free agent money that's going to these wide receivers. Crazy. I mean, like slot receivers are getting stupid money, you know number three So so yeah, and that's why when you talk about like Brock Bowers and how special of a player he is He's still a tight end You know if you like if I'm drafting in the top 10 and I can get that that player and

Premium position quarterback tackle wide receiver i'm getting it for so cheap and a lot it frees up other money in other places but what's interesting to me though you got a lot of teams in the top 10 that have both tackle and receiver needs this year and to me i always look at it like the combo picks if you will. You know looking at the situation. So if I'm a GM I'm looking at this saying all right this class is loaded at offensive tackle and it's loaded a wide receiver. But in the second round where's the value? You can in the second round like Xavier LeGette from from South Carolina is going to run the four you know ran in the four fours, big physical receiver can get down the field. You got Lad McConkey from Georgia, who's a special route runner and great after the catch. Ricky Pearsall, everyone said coming out of Florida. Well, you know,

is he truly a dynamic guy? Can he be a vertical threat? Can he create? Well, he ran like a four four one, had a 40-twence vertical and he's the best route runner in this class. So my point in all of this, when you look at teams like the Cardinals sitting at 4 and then pick 35 in the second round, the Chargers at 5 and then pick 37 early in the second round, the Giants pick 6 and then 47th in the second round, the Titans at 7 and 38 in the second round, and then the Jets are interesting because they pick a 10. They need a tackle and a pass catcher, but they don't have that second round pick. We'll get to the Jets later, I'm sure. But all those teams, while it's so enticing when you've got Marvin Harrison Jr. and Malik Nabors and Romo Dunez, like three guys that I think can be

absolute stars and can be that pretty early in their career. Do you look at and say, shit, I want that guy so bad. But if I take the receiver now, I'm not getting a starting tackle in the second round. So do I just take the tackle now and get my receiver in the second round? So that to me is gonna be fascinating to see.

I don't think Arizona is not gonna steer away from wide receiver. I don't think they're gonna going to steer away from wide receiver. I don't think they're going to move. I thought they might a few weeks ago, but talking to a lot of people in the league, I think Arizona is going to stay put at four. I think they're going to take Marvin Harrison Jr. You know what you're getting. He's the most NFL ready receiver we've seen come in the league. I believe in a decade. I don't know that he has a league twitch. I think in the league neighbors could be more explosive and dynamic. I think he's the closest thing to Tyree Kill. We've seen a long time coming out of the draft

in terms of that explosiveness. But in terms of like, I'm not gonna miss on this pick, Marvin Harrison, Jr. is that guy. So Arizona will go receiver, but those other teams and everyone's kind of mocking wide receivers, like I mentioned before, the Chargers, the Giants, the Titans, don't be shocked if it's offensive tackle there.

Todd, when you say- That's amazing what you said about Harrison. I'm sorry, Billy. Think about that though, Billy, because he's saying last decade, Justin Jefferson's been drafted, Jamar Chase has been drafted. And he's saying this guy's the best in a decade.

That's nuts, man. When you say this is a deep draft class and you say that the positions are stacked, does that mean you could get a year one starter in the third round or every, all these positions just top heavy? That's a good question. Offensive tackle is absolutely top heavy.

Wide receiver is great in the first three rounds, like two and a half rounds, and then it's going to really drop off. It's not nearly as good. And I think part of it, honestly, and I think you'll see this for a lot of the groups, part of it is so many guys now with NIL and the transfer portal, if you're not a first or second round pick, people are like, shit, I'm going to get paid more money to stay in college. And maybe if I stay in college another year, I'm going to get better to the point where I will be a first or second round pick.

So a lot of these guys, the information is flowing a lot better than I used to. It's not just through agents. It's through, you know, it's through people that you trust and they're actually around scouts in the league and know what's going on. So if I'm a guy, if I'm a player for Florida State, Alabama, doesn't matter, and I'm like, I've got one more year of eligibility, I know I'm ready for the NFL, but I get like legitimate information from my head coach who's getting it from a general manager that hey, I can't tell you for certain he's gonna be a second round pick, I know

he's not gonna be a first, probably to be like third, fourth round range. So what like look at the contracts for a third round pick. You're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars versus millions of dollars. Okay. And so I'll just go sign a couple more NIL deals, make just as much if not more money in college, depending on the position I play and then try my luck for next year. And you're seeing like this draft class is a prime example of what is going on in college because it is great for the first two, two and a half rounds.

Then there's a real drop off because so many guys went back to school. Well, I've been meaning to ask someone about this and I'm glad you're here because I've wondered how NIL has kind of skewed the draft in that way because you have guys that seemingly are like, wow, this person is dominating college. They're a fifth year senior. And it's like, yeah, but that's because they couldn't really make it in the draft. And they're just kind of sticking around to get money. So if you have guys that have been more experienced playing against lesser experienced guys because

the guaranteed draft guys are going into the draft, How hard is it to kind of analyze what's going on in college right now? Because there is a disparity, I guess, in experience because NIL is keeping people around that maybe shouldn't be there anymore. I think teams love it. That's kind of the hidden secret in all this. It's worked out so well in the favor of NFL teams because if they're not a first or second round guy, teams would rather them go back because you don't have like a 53-man rosters, you know, and the practice times and preparing each week for get the development in the NFL is not where it really should be because you just don't have the time to do it. You don't have the roster size to do it Okay, so what would you rather a player in the best developmental league that is offered for football?

Being college football spending another year and continuing to develop and oh by the way Maybe they get the opportunity to transfer from one program to the next because there's a better opportunity for them to get experience or the better scheme fit whatever it is so as an evaluator in the NFL I'm like you know what go play another year like what's the difference between 21 and 22 years old I'm worried about my job my job is only going to I'm probably going to be here for three four years with this NFL organization so come come to us when you're ready and gain more experience. And so, and especially with quarterbacks, I mean, the fact that like for so many years, we were talking about guys with 13 starts, 17 starts,

21 starts, you know, now quarterbacks are moving around to get that experience before they come in the league. And you know, now we're talking about Drake, man, I think it's 26 starts. Well, in previous years we'd be like, well, that's a lot better than what we have with Mitch Trubisky in 13 starts and Cam Newton and all that stuff.

So I think the NFL is benefiting from it. And they just kind of, when it comes to college, they just always kind of sit back and are quiet and let the developmental league do what they can do because it's free. They're not paying for a developmental league. So it's interesting to sit. But when you talk about like guys that get that extra year, like quarterbacks in particular, right? So they get 26 starts versus 13 starts.

Is there a fear that, okay, well, they're just kind of, the bad habits are now setting in because there's another year of doing things. And now they're not, it's going to be harder for them to get up to NFL. Teams don't care about the person, they care about the product period. Eventually they might, you know, the coaching staff in the league, when they get there, like they'll care about the person

to a certain degree, but they care about the product. And the product is better nine times out of 10, if you as an evaluator get more tape to study, get to see more experience and allow that player to mature. It's like, I don't know, like having a banana, right? Like you'd rather eat the banana. It's a weird analogy.

I don't know how the hell I got it. I like it. You know what I'm saying? I want to get you to tie it together. Go ahead. Yeah. You go to the grocery store and you pick out a stack of bananas and the green ones, you're like, yeah, in four or five days, I can eat that.

Right. Like that's going to be a good banana. But like, I'd rather if I know I want a banana when I get home, like, give me the frigging banana, let me rip it open. And so they'd rather or not come in green. Right. I'll never use that. I'll never use that.

Listen, you tied it together well. I got to be honest, better than I expected. I mean, I don't even know what are the clusters you want your potassium right now is what you're saying. I mean, I want someone, I want something that's ready, ready to go right now. Yeah.

Who is the highest graded quarterback in all the years you've been evaluating the draft? Andrew Luck, 99 grade out of a hundred. Wow. And where does Caleb stack up against him? Got a 98 grade on him. So like right there. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You don't just hand out 98s to Jay. I

mean, highest grade since Andrew Luck and Andrew Luck was the highest grade I've given in 23 years of doing this. Wow. Who was your biggest miss? Oh gosh. Um, uh, I mean, you know, I missed on, I missed on the quarterbacks that everyone missed on, right? Um, if he was a Jets quarterback, I missed on him. Who's Zach? I like Zach. Yeah. I mean, I didn't love him. I didn't have the highest grade on him. It's Zach? I liked Zach.

Yeah. I mean, I didn't love him. I didn't have the highest grade on him. It could be either way. Yeah, it could be someone that you thought wasn't going to pan out that ended up being a star too. Yeah, we don't, we don't mean to be too hard. Yeah. Instead of it, it was framed to me that, no, he's not, he's not lazy and standoffish.

He's just so poised and calm. And like, you know, and so I never trusted that, that source again. I don't think I've seen that source a hundred times and I think I've just walked by and turned my head every single time. So, He was a yellow banana that you thought

is gonna last another week and then immediately bruised. The yellow banana. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of bananas, the green banana, the yellow banana, you got the banana. I think Zach was that guy. Really? Yeah. I thought Zach was going to be that guy. I really did. Right. Well, I mean, I don't want to say I'm interested to see what happens with Trevor Lawrence because he was one of the highest rated quarterbacks I've did. Right. I mean, I don't want to say, I'm interested to see what happens with Trevor Lawrence because he was one of the highest graded quarterbacks

I've had. What grade did you give him? What's that? What grade did you give him? 97, I think. Jeez. Yeah. And first year I was like, oh boy.

And then Doug Peterson comes in. I'm like, all right, there's the guy. There's the guy I evaluated. And then, since then he's kind of leveled off. And I know his injuries last year, but he's got to take that next step if Jacksonville is going to. And I always go back to this. And I'm not picking on Trevor.

It's always interesting the information you get before the draft and stuff you can't really share. Because you're talking about a 20-year-old guy, and it's only one team and one person's opinion but I'll never forget an evaluator who's been doing it a long time and every listen we like everyone from the NFL to me to Mel to you know everyone would like it's impossible not to love Trevor Lawrence and what he brings but one evaluator and because I was you always look for those guys you're looking for okay if he doesn't if he doesn't succeed why and one evaluator, because I was, you always look for those guys, you're looking for, okay,

if he doesn't succeed, why? And one evaluator said, you know what, the only thing that concerns me, and I'll never forget this, the only thing that concerns me is when I sat down with Peyton, when I sat down with somebody, he just listed like four or five other guys, when I sat down with Andrew, the recall was like mind blowing. Like I could pull up a third down play from like a Central Michigan game, you know, second game of the season. They won by 40 points and he would tell me that I busted that, you know, they busted coverage or I misread where the

pressure was coming from and they would know and they could recall that like like it happened three hours ago He goes if trevor wasn't there He goes the recall wasn't there and so I wonder you know as i've kind of sat back and just watched his career progress Is there something there? But maybe he just doesn't quite pick things up like like you would expect and so That's the only thing I can kind of try to put my finger, because with Doug Peterson,

he made things easier for him. He made the picture clearer. But I wonder if that's what's kind of that one missing element where Trevor's gone from like, terrible as a rookie to really good, but struggling to get to that next level. After last season, like right after the draft, was Jaden Daniels projected as a first round pick

or did that happen as the season went on? No, he was like a second rounder, some shots I talked to you about third. OK, wow. The transformation, though, if you go back like his Arizona State compared to his first year. Right. LSU was big, but it happened, if you remember, in the second half of that 2022 season.

I'll never forget. I was on the I was on the sideline with Brian Keller before the the Tennessee game. This year, the Tennessee was great. They were rolling. Right. Right. It was I want to say it was the fifth game, maybe the sixth game of the season. You're talking about the Hendon Hooker year, right? Yes. Hendon Hooker year. Exactly. So I'm on the sideline. I had my meetings the day before with Brian, but we've got producers and directors in there. Brian and I have been good for a long time.

He's a mass hole like me and all that. So although the family didn't really show it, he grew up in a summer home. Yeah, where's your accent from the South? Right. My accent from the, I don't have an accent. My mom was from Ohio and I grew up in Summerville. Yeah, where's your accent from the South? Right. My accent from the, I don't have an accent. My mom was from Ohio and I grew up in Massachusetts and she used to smack it out of me every time

I would come home and say, ma, ma! Ha ha ha ha. I made fun of Kelly though. I made fun of Kelly. He suddenly turned into Boudreau Kelly with an X. No, I know, I know. But anyway. I'm talking to him before and he said,

he said, listen, he pulled me to his, he said, listen, he said, here's the thing with Jayden, he's going to be special. And I hadn't quite seen it yet. He said, he's going to be special. He goes, I promise you, he goes, he can throw accurately. He can see it, he can read it. He goes, I promise you, you can't,

it doesn't always look like you can. I promise you, he can see the field. He goes through progressions quickly and he can throw with anticipation. Cause those are the three things you really want to know accurate Can he see it in anticipation? He was here's the problem. He doesn't trust it yet. I Said alright What do you mean? He's like he has to if the receivers gonna break instead of throwing it like that split second before he breaks or

Just trusting would trusting that where the receivers where the receiver is going to be where he needs to be and putting it in a spot to lead him, he has to see it come open. And he goes, we've been working all week and he said, you guys are killing me. You're killing me because everyone wants to talk to the media. Jaden's gone five games, no interceptions. He's protecting the ball. You know, he really is. He's picked up what they're trying to do. He's given them a chance to win. He goes, I don't want him to give us a chance to win. I want him to go out and win games for us because he's that kind of player. He's like, I need him to pull the trigger. And it's first play of the game. I'll never forget.

They designed the throws. It was a comeback route and the ball came out. I could hear Brian now say, Hey, I don't give a shit if it's picked off. I don't care what happens in this play. You're gonna throw it to this receiver on a comeback route, trust it and throw it. And he did. And it was completion right on the sideline. And then from like that moment, they lost that game,

but from that moment on, you saw the confidence build. And he became a guy who was a great athlete with a good arm and could make special plays to a guy who was a great athlete with a good arm and could make special plays to a guy who could actually trust his reads and get into a progression and go through the system the way he needs to.

And literally from that week on, he got better and better and better to the point where I would argue he was, I mean, the Heisman Trophy, I would argue he was the best quarterback on tape out of all of these guys this past year. Wow, what grade did you give him? He's a 90, so 90, 96. Man. Interesting.

All right. Two more quick ones. We'll get you out of here. Jets, you mentioned earlier, Jets at number 10. They don't have a second round pick. They need offensive linemen. They need a tight end. Me and Mikey, we want Bowers. I have a feeling the Jets are going to go with a tackle. What says you? Well, here's the deal

I mean you guys know Jonah Joe Douglas. Yeah If you if you work for Ozzy Newsome for a long time you have no choice but to Understand and appreciate what made the Ravens so successful for so long Super Bowls Consistently a playoff team Eric DeC Dacosta becomes the new GM. He's implemented the same system. And part of that is, I know it's a cliche, but trust in your board. Like when we said it, these are the best players. We're not going to steer away. We're not going to go reaching for positional value, for positional need. But more importantly,

if you go back and study Aussie's history, where they were most successful is sitting back and being patient and waiting for that team behind them to panic and to call them on the clock and to take advantage and basically exploit that team that needed something, right? And you did it over and over and over and over again. The Ravens continue to do it with Eric DeCosta. Joe Douglas has learned that and moved on. You're going to see the same thing from Joe Ortiz now who's an Aussie descendant who's going to be with the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh. Watch the Jets this year. It's fascinating to me because now Joe is kind of pulled in three different directions. You've got Aaron Rodgers and you know know you got to protect him at his age coming

off of that injury and yes we got a couple band-aids in their early mid-30s and offensive tackle but what happens in week 14 when one or both those guys are out and if we don't have a plan for that our season's just shit right okay so now that's if I'm Joe, that's tugging at me. I can bring in a tackle and he's gonna have a little bit I can I can insert a guard, I can give him a little time, whether it's 10 weeks, 13 weeks, but at some point, I'm going to need that offensive tackle. You know that, right? Yes. Then you got it. You also got Aaron Rodgers and say, I'd love to get one more weapon. I'd love to get him one more weapon. But then you've got Joe's background, like foundation, what he was built on.

You know, it's like when you leave your house and all like the morals and things that have been instilled in you, and your parents tell you like, these are the things that make you our son. That's gonna be talking to you because they don't have a second round pick. And like it's all about acquiring extra picks trusting that we evaluate players better than everyone else evaluates players that if we can get more picks

we're gonna hit on guys and so they're sitting there they pick in the first round and they don't pick again until they trade that 41st pick they don't pick again until the third round as part of the Aaron Rodgers deal so now it's's like I've got to protect Aaron on one hand. The other hand is saying I got to get Aaron another weapon. But his like core is telling him that if I move back, I can still get a really good receiver in the first round or an offensive tackle. Maybe I can get that second round pick and get a reciever. We talked about before. Let's get our tackle in the first round. Maybe pick 14, 15, 16, so to a team that's panicking to come up for one of these receivers. Let's get our tackle back there. Talis Fuhaga from Oregon State or Ole Fashanu from Penn State.

Then I can get a receiver like a Ricky Pierce on the second round because I recovered that second round pick. And now I've handled both issues. And I've gone with what Ozzie always told me my whole life. So it's going be fascinating to see what he does and obviously it will matter what team is trying to move up for which player at that point but it won't shock me if Joe moves back a little bit to try to get a tackle and a pass catcher in the first two rounds rather than just addressing one of those needs but also ownership is undefeated man. Keep that in mind ownership is undefeated, man. Yeah. Keep that in mind. Ownership is undefeated. Or winless in our case.

But still undefeated. But how good is Bowers though? Because that's the guy I want. Like, I guess from the tight ends, like how high is that grade? I think he's really, really high. Like, you know, probably top five tight ends that I've evaluated.

And he didn't run, he didn't run a 40. He looks like he looks like a banker who played club basketball for his fraternity in college. That picture of him in Gronk was the worst thing that happened to him. That's a proven NFL commodity, right? That's what it's supposed to look like. And then that's his younger brother, what? That's his cousin who like, I'm proving he's really smart, but he's not the athlete of the family. That's what it looks like, right? When you put on the tape and like after the catch,

separating ball skills, he's a special player. He would be a great weapon. And I know like Aaron doesn't, hasn't always had like that elite tight end and all that, but you put what they have on the outside now, and then you get a guy in the middle of the field. I would love to see that. But again, I think you can move back a few spots

and maybe still get a lot of work. I know, I know. He'll probably do that too. All right, man, we appreciate it. Draft guru, Todd McShay, my apologies about yesterday. My apologies, just in general, my apologies. Just in general, my apologies. If it was any other year, I might have been a little bit annoyed, but I wasn't even a little bit.

Good. Well, thank you. It's a busy time of year for you. We always appreciate your time. Never go with that banana analogy again. No, stick with it. No, stick with it. Why does that really like to?

I loved it. Consider my company, right? Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it. All right, fellas. Have a good one. I loved it. Consider my company, right? Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it.

All right, fellas, have a good one. And we're back. Yep. You know, it's crazy, Stugats. And maybe that maybe I shouldn't like still be surprised by stuff like this. But we just talked to Todd McShay for, you know, 30 minutes almost. We spent a long time talking to Todd McShay, but before-

Well the draft is coming up. Well yeah, the draft is coming up. But before we talked to Todd McShay, we kind of sat down and we were talking to Todd McShay. And he's the most professional of all of us, obviously. And he was trying to make sure that all of our equipment works. But when we were talking to Todd McShay,

he's like, Billy. And I'm like, yes, Mr. McShea. And I was shocked that Todd McShea knew who I was. And I don't know why, but it's still one of those things that I'm very excited when the guest knows who I am. Billy, why though? I don't know. You've been doing God Bless Football

for three or four years now. You're the co-host of this. You do the show with me. I know, I know. You've spoken to Todd McShay before. You think he can get your name? Yes, is the answer. You know, these people, these experts,

all these people that do all these interviews talk to a million people a day, right? And I don't think Todd McShay would know who I was from listening to God Bless Football, if I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you. I mean, I feel like maybe it has to do with the fact that, you know, we're on the Levitard show and maybe he saw me from time to time

when I was on the screens all across the SPN but it's still exciting, you know, I grew up watching Todd McShay not to you know, make him feel old by saying anything like that But you know Todd McShay when Peter King when we do dishes not that Peter King knows man But I still get excited. I don't know why I still get excited Why do you think these people don't know who you are the combination of the Levitard show? Yes, which gave us all a massive platform and people know who you are. The combination of the Levitard show, yes, which gave us all a massive platform and people know who we are. Yeah. You shouldn't be end the combination of that plus God bless football being out

at the Superbowl for a couple of years. I think we've done. Yeah. Why are you surprised by this, man? You're a big star, Billy. I don't know about that. You're uncomfortable with it, aren't you? I am. I am a little bit. You think Josh Allen remembers us? Remembers you.

We gotta get Josh Allen back on. And I'm gonna get so much crap about that, I already know. Dolph Vance would hate if we became friends with Josh Allen, but. You are friends with Josh Allen, what are you talking about? I mean, I'm not.

You know what I was thinking, did I tell you this? So like when we went to Super Bowl, we didn't meet up with Gordy, which I really wanted to meet up with Gordy and kind of go out and hang out with him and Mojo and Chris and all of them out there in Las Vegas. But like our schedule was crazy and they got there late and we left early and it was anyways.

But I did see the night after, I think, we may have talked about this on air already. The night that we like went and we talked to Josh and it went like, well, he was hanging out with Gordy that night. I'm like man. Could you imagine if we would have we would have just been like a Gordy Let's go out and then Josh would have been there. Oh No, is it normal? Yes, well, we're not right. Yeah, right Not that what I've learned over three years of doing this is we need to hang out with Gordy more at all

We need to hang out with these people at all. Yeah, we talk to them every week. But Gordy specifically, yes, Gordy's always hanging around with the guys we want on the show. I've watched it so much, no, I just wanna hang out with them to be honest with you. Like I've watched so many of these interactions. The big one was the Super Bowl at Gronk's house. Like that was one that we really should have done

and then didn't do, but really should have done. Like the Super do but really should have done like the Super Bowl at Gronk's house was like our big missed opportunity then was Mojo's bachelor party that was another big missed opportunity then was Mojo's wedding in Italy at a castle that was another missed opportunity we've gotten to the point that they're not gonna hang out with us like ShareBear's called me sometimes when he's been in Miami he's like I'm at the Mondrian and I'm like I'm with my children. It's Sunday.

I'm giving them a bath. They have school tomorrow morning. I can't go hang out with you and Brandon Siler right now. Sorry, Sherbert. Siler for lots and lots of missed opportunities. Anyway, I just want to do it. But did he come off promoting? No, I don't think so. I think he just came on because did he?

I don't know. I think he just came on because he's friends with ShareBear. I got to tell you, the most shocking thing in this entire episode is that Mike Flores has closed the door on Trevor Lawrence, being able to show up and and really anything you're done. And you really need Kyler Murray to prove something. That's right. That's right. It's insane to you.

They won. I couldn't care less if Kyler Murray ever proves anything to me. I mean, that's why it's not to you. It's to me. That's I suppose that's true. He's right about that. It's your list. It is his me. That's I suppose that's true. He's right about that. It's your list. It is his list. Exactly. Mm hmm. It's Kyler Murray.

So if you started packing it, you ready for Detroit ish? Go to hell. What? But. Listen to me. There are no planes. All right. No direct these that take you to Detroit ish.

Not a place. It doesn't exist. So no, you said go to hell. I'm looking it up. There is a hell Michigan. Maybe that's where the draft should have been. God bless football. God bless football. God bless football.