The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - GOOD FOLLOW - New York Liberty Win 2024 Championship, 2025 WNBA Look Ahead + NWSL & More

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

This week on Good Follow: Megan, Logan, and Ros react to New York Liberty winning their first championship in franchise history, discuss Cheryl Reeve’s post-game comments, and discuss whether the Li...berty can repeat or not. Then, they look ahead to the 2025 season with a new game. Finally, Megan shares her NWSL DraftKings picks of the week, and Logan shares this week’s Good Follow. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Good Follow, presented by DraftKings. I'm Megan Reyes. Joining me are Logan Hackett and our favorite WNBA analyst, Roz Golden-Widday. After 28 years, the New York Liberty won their first championship in franchise history. Let's start the show by taking a look at the moment they did it. Carlton Lomson in, taken away by Phoebus. Off to Stewart! 28 years in the making! The New York Liberty are WNBA champions!
Starting point is 00:00:44 The original franchise. So the moment this happened, I was actually watching on my phone outside my hotel waiting for a door dash. So I got to experience it on my phone on YouTube TV. But Roz, you have been by the Liberty side all season long and you're also Queens born and raised. So what was it like for you being there and watching them lift the trophy? You know, I immediately felt the enormity of the moment.
Starting point is 00:01:10 And I think the context of, you know, growing up in New York City, my mother not being an athlete herself, just being a woman who wanted her daughters to see female empowerment and opportunities through sports, you know, taking me to a WNBA game in New York and having that exposure and being a fan growing up, seeing how long it took, seeing the streamers coming down from the ceiling. You know, I happened to be on the court. I was, you know, in the tunnel waiting for the game to end and running out to the court. No matter who won, I was coming out there.
Starting point is 00:01:46 And I happened to go straight into the direction of Teresa Weatherspoon hugging and crying with Swin Cash. And she was also there with Angel Reese. And I was taking that video for our group and I'm watching Spoon and it really hits you, the history of this franchise, the drought of not winning for you know, for so long, being one of the original franchises
Starting point is 00:02:08 in the history of the WNBA, and then finally breaking through here, I did feel the enormity of it, you know, what it meant not only for this Liberty team, but for the franchise, what it means for the WNBA. And during a time when everything is just so amplified by the excitement and attention on women's sports overall, it was huge.
Starting point is 00:02:31 It was big. It was so awesome. Hearing you about it makes me like a little emotional. Right? Well, let's talk about the game. So in a game where Sabrina went only one for 19 with five points and Stewie went four for 15, I think the stat was the team overall were two for 23 from three.
Starting point is 00:02:52 How did the Liberty pull the game off? Yeah, you know, it's funny, I'm watching the game and at one point down the stretch, I'm looking at a lineup and it's guardless. There's no guards on the court. And I'm speaking with, you know, fellow broadcasters and colleagues and friends. And I think the lineup was Stewie, Leo, Niara. I mean, I'm like I'm blanking right now, but the whole thing was all bigs
Starting point is 00:03:20 and no guards. And I'm like, well, it makes sense. Nobody's hitting threes. I guess they were like, let's just go with size, you know? And then also to think about the contributions that, you know, bench players were making, reserve players were making. This was a game where what shined for the Liberty was organizational success, was scouting success,
Starting point is 00:03:42 was putting together, coming off of the loss against the Aces last season and coming putting together a strategy of what did that returning core group of starters need surrounding them to get them over the hump and it was the heroics of Niyara Sabali. It was the heroics of Leonie Phoebus and I thought huge minutes Kayla Thornton and and and other players who just like throughout the course of this heavyweight battle
Starting point is 00:04:08 in the finals stepped up. So I think depth shined and look for, you know, you look at Sabrina Onescu, she'll get flack for going 115. She still had like nine or eight assists and rebounds. She had barely any turn one or two turnovers against the very physical and hard defense and in the links, you know, your shot may not be going down,
Starting point is 00:04:29 but you still need to be solid up here and be a floor general for your team. And same thing for Stewie came up with big free throws. So it was a great, gritty team win. What do you think? I think that's the thing about box scores. They don't always tell the full storyline. But I actually, Logan, I want to get your thoughts on the other side of the ball. So Roz told us what went well for New York.
Starting point is 00:04:50 I would love to know your reactions on what didn't go so great for Minnesota. Oh, I think especially coming down the stretch when they lost that lead, I mean, they had a pretty good lead. I remember watching at one point and I'm like, oh, I had a parlay going for an NFL game and I was looking like I can possibly go check on that. So I think honestly, all that, sure, there's the controversy about the calls and everything, but at the end of the day, they were up, they were on the Liberty's home court. They kind of had it in their hands and it didn't really work out for them.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Also, Alana Smith, if you're watching this, I hope you're okay. She was doing well, but when they come down to injuries, I mean, their depth was not as deep and performing as much as the Liberty's was. If you would have told me that the Liberty would not have won that championship without Nyara Saboli, like literally two weeks ago, when we were having the conversation about death,
Starting point is 00:05:37 I'd be like, oh, well, I don't know if that's actually gonna happen. But seeing her come on and seeing the confidence that Sandy had in her lineup to put on a lineup that she's never even practiced with before and rely on people like Nyora, who is technically her second year in the league, that's really saying something. And I don't think that the Minnesota really had, I don't think Minnesota really had that depth down the stretch. And I do want to follow up on your great points about depth.
Starting point is 00:06:05 And earlier, what I was saying about the big lineup, I have my scribble notes from the game. So the lineup, there's actually, as during the game, I take a lot of notes on old school, I handwrite things and it's like, guardless lineup of an exclamation point. And it's literally Jean-Claude Jones, Leone Fiebes, Kayla Thornton, Niara Saboli, and Stewie was on the court. And we like, there were things we never saw before, you know?
Starting point is 00:06:30 But that's what it takes sometimes to win a championship, you know, and that's the luxury the Liberty have. The fact that coach Sandy Brandello trusted her depth enough to go to them. The season's on the line, baby. There's nothing more than this. And she trusted her depth enough to go to them. The season's on the line, baby. There's nothing more than this. And she trusted her depth.
Starting point is 00:06:48 A lot of times guys, when it's playoffs, men's, women's basketball, NBA, WNBA, college ball, and the pressure is high, coaches shorten that leash. Coaches, oh my goodness, all of a sudden that seventh player off the bench don't even see the court. So it's actually really says a lot about coach Sandy and her trust of this team, the development of the entire roster over the course of the season that with for all the marbles, she was like, we're going to give you a shot and, and also that those players were ready.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Well, I love this. I love your thoughts on on this topic and I want to continue on a thought that Logan you actually started with was the controversial call. And as we know, Lynx head coach Cheryl Reeve had her own theory of why the Liberty won. Let's take a look at what she had to say. I know all the headlines will be Reeve cries foul. Bring it on. Right. Bring it on because it was stolen from us.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Bring it on. Well, we talked about it, you know, we know we could have done some things, right? But you shouldn't have to overcome to that extent. This ain't that hard. Efficiating it, it's not that hard. I tell these guys, you know, for whatever reason it didn't work out, right?
Starting point is 00:08:02 It just doesn't feel right that you lose a series with that level of discrepancy, you know, for whatever reason it didn't work out, right? It just doesn't feel right that you lose a series with that level of discrepancy, you know? Well, as we know, losing a championship and having a post-game press conference immediately after the the emotions are high. And so I would love to know from both of you, I'll start with you, Logan, what are your thoughts on what Cheryl had to say? I completely understand, especially in the moment. I mean, you pushed it to game five. You had the lead. And the way that it ended for it to go to overtime wasn't ideal. I mean, that would be the first thing that I would be mad at.
Starting point is 00:08:34 The whole team would be mad at, honestly. So I get it in that sense. But at the same time, as I just said, you had the whole five games. You had the whole game. There was a reason why it wasn't that you didn't win at the end of it. So maybe she cooled off and was able to kind of see the, I guess, reality of the situation in the end of it.
Starting point is 00:08:56 But I do understand where her emotions and probably the team's emotions came from in that moment. Before we go ahead and look at the actual call, Rouse, what are your thoughts on Cheryl's comments? Yeah, I think it's understandable immediately after the game and especially for such a hard fought battle and such an emotional one to react and feel that much emotion around it.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Like full stop, I think either side, we've heard both coaches within this series complain publicly to the media about the reps and the foul calls. But what that also says to me is like, Hey, it went in favor of one team or another throughout the series. There were certainly things that the links got, you know, got a favorable favorable whistle or bounce on. Um, and I think there is a sportsmanship aspect of this that I do understand people pushing back at coach.
Starting point is 00:09:48 And especially after the game, I'm kind of like, all right, everybody's got their emotions. This is sports. But to continue to carry on well after the game, whether it's through social media or in closeout interviews, I think now that's where it's, you've got to be able to be professional and give credit. Because it was a five game series. You know, if we even look at game
Starting point is 00:10:12 five, the game went to overtime. There were many, there were a few players who perhaps came out hot for the Lynx in the first half and in the second half were quiet or struggled through the game. So like there are things that you could look at as the links and say, hey, we weren't that great. Or, you know, there were games where you gave up 26 points on 20 turnovers. Or you could look at the Liberty who made mistakes all through the series. This is sports. You could look at the Liberty who, you know, star players
Starting point is 00:10:39 and have a good shooting night in Game 5, but role players played out of their mind. X factors are what changes series. So, you know, I think for sports fans, it's what makes it interesting. For the conspiracy theorists, you know, they love that on Twitter. And I think, you know, look, a W is a W is a W. A win is a win is a win.
Starting point is 00:11:04 And it was fitting for this heavyweight battle where both teams were awesome, that the win was gritty and hard and scrappy and came down to like possessions. Okay, well, let's take a look at the call that led to Cheryl Reeves saying the championship was stolen. Alright, so how goes the links believe this was not a foul and a lot of people also pointed out that Stewie may have traveled. So was this a foul or should the travel have been called?
Starting point is 00:11:42 I don't know much about basketball rules. I mean, I know a clear foul when I see one and I cannot see one there. But I will say that when I was watching it back, when people started calling out Stewie's travel, I was like, whoa, that is very apparent. But Roz, what do you think? Cause you played, you know the game so much better than me.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Yeah, you know what's so crazy is again, like where I was during this part of the game, like literally I'm getting ready to get on the court regardless of, you know, who wins and we're going to cover the championship. So what I can see from under the tunnel is the jumbotron and like pieces of heads on the court. But I actually, what I remember from the moment was like, just that the foul happened.
Starting point is 00:12:27 And then that Stewie was on the free throw line again. And for me, what I was thinking, like as a, as a basketball player was just like, boy, I hope she, you know, I, I would, it would be awful if she missed the free throws again and like had to feel that, that horrible feeling, you know? So I was like, oh gosh, oh gosh. I was just like, hopeful that Stewie would be able
Starting point is 00:12:46 to step up, and she did and knocked them down. She was ready to redeem herself. That's kind of the viewpoint I had. And then I was covering the championship at that point, the celebrations, the locker rooms, the champagne. So by the time, and then I, as a New Yorker, went out with my friends to celebrate as well. So it wasn't until the very next day
Starting point is 00:13:06 that I actually like scrolled through Twitter and threads. And I was like, oh, it was drama. I was like, oh, LeBron tweeted? I was like, oh, Isaiah Thomas has smoked? Like everybody was coming at conspiracy around this. And I was like, it was like crazy to see how much drama there was. But I'll say this.
Starting point is 00:13:27 I think the foul, I think there was a bump, but if you're looking at the hand, you might be like, oh, you know, it's a tough call. I hate any game where the refs are a part of, you know, such a huge historical moment. But I will say in watching the replay, for whatever reason, that clip does look like there was foot motion in the play before. But again, you're talking about one play over the course of a five game series
Starting point is 00:13:49 that went to overtime. It's hard to make it just about that one moment because it's really not. Well, coming up after the break, we look ahead to the 2025 WNBA season. We'll be right back. Welcome back into good follow. Before we shift our focus to 2025, Roz caught up with WNBA Commissioner Kathy Engelbert after game five. Let's see what she had to say about this season and the WNBA finals. It's going to be a historic season when we get everything done and a season to remember. We're going to be looking back in 10 years saying this was the turning point for just not the WNBA women's sports. So, amazing season, amazing WNBA finals.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Both teams deserve to win two overtimes in the finals and game five, the deciding game, amazing. Amazing! I love the excitement, brother. Well, is the commissioner right that this season will not only be the turning point for the W, but women's sports as a whole? Absolutely. If you thought the W had drama this season, you should definitely look at other leagues
Starting point is 00:15:14 because there's so much drama and chaos, especially when it comes down to playoffs. I mean, the NWSL right now, we thought we knew it was going one direction and now it's like completely shifting and the past few years have been Very dramatic. So I think it's a turning point for literally everything not only because of the play But also the players and how they're coming up and how they're being recognized more in like pop culture and social media So yeah Well, I think it even says a lot having like what you said Roz when you're having players like LeBron and Isaiah Thomas and all these big athletes and celebrities and people chiming in on the drama and talking about it on Twitter and threads like
Starting point is 00:15:52 this isn't a moment. Women's sports are here. Yeah. And I and I also think the WNBA this season was record breaking. Right. Ratingattering, had star power and compelling storylines that got attention that the league has never seen before. And what's important to me is that the product lived up to all of that hype. The product was excellent.
Starting point is 00:16:18 The players, the rookies led by Caitlin Clark, led by Angel Reese, They had historic rookie seasons. You know, the actual playoffs and products themselves were thrilling, captivating, compelling. All-Star Weekend, what a great all-star game the WNBA put on. You know, the counterparts at the MNBA, they need to work on that, you know?
Starting point is 00:16:39 Like, how exciting was this finals that went all five games, nail biters, huge shots, celebrity sidelines, and then finally goes down to an overtime and was captivating. Superstars emerging, fresh blood in the Minnesota Lynx, Nafisa Collier is one of the best players in the world now. And it's thrilling.
Starting point is 00:17:01 And so I think this is just the beginning. I think that you can double down on this. And I think next season, the WNBA and media partners and people covering women's basketball will be much better prepared. I think this season was awesome. And a lot of us, a lot of people were caught off guard, caught flat-footed, had some faux paws, had some miscues, you know, uncomfortable moments. And I expect next season will be, you know, more hopefully smoother sailing as well.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Well, to your point, Rod's, in my opinion, men's sports could never write the storylines that women's sports just organically have. They just can't. Like, like you said, this series, the MNBA couldn't do it if they wanted to. You want to know why? I do. Because women. Exactly. It's all it really comes down to, it's inherent.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Who does it better? Oh, and I mean, even like fashion and league fits and getting to know the personalities and who these people are and, and who these players are. It's just fascinating, you know, not only because it's women, but because all of the players in the WNBA are so diverse. There's so many different kinds of expressions of femininity and body types and stories. And, and I think that's also a really compelling and unique part of the WNBA. You know, the fact that these are highly visible,
Starting point is 00:18:32 highly competitive and highly diverse, a group of players. And then at the same time, they also feel very relatable. And I think that's what makes it like, yet another reason it's such an attractive product. And they date each other, so there's drama. Yeah, yeah. And there's drama that way too. Let's move on to our next look ahead for 2025.
Starting point is 00:18:55 The Liberty have three unrestricted free agents in Brianna Stewart, Courtney Vandersloot, and Kennedy Burke. Now that they finally have their championship, I got a way too early question for you. Can the Liberty repeat? Yeah. Yeah, I think they can.
Starting point is 00:19:11 I feel like Stewie's not gonna go anywhere. Like, I feel like she resigned with them, watched her go somewhere and I eat my words. But even with the group that they have now, if Stewie leaves, they're gonna get somebody just as big, I feel. So I think they could definitely repeat and everybody might be trying to chase what they have now. going to get somebody just as big, I feel. So I think they could definitely repeat and
Starting point is 00:19:25 everybody might be trying to chase what they have now. Yeah, I think, I think this is a team that is built to run it back. This is what the staff, the players, you know, echoed immediately after winning. And I expect Stewie is going to be back with the Liberty. You know, where there could be some whispers and changes might be around Courtney Vandersloot, who now has her second championship and has seen her role diminished with the Liberty a little bit.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Perhaps next season might not want to do that and may look elsewhere. And actually she's got a big time contract that could open up a lot of space for another type of player to come into the Liberty. There's a chance the Liberty get even better. And, you know, and I think that improvement within returners, you know, could who could fill a spot like that. There have been names like Jalen Sherrod, who, you know, made impact in her minutes into the
Starting point is 00:20:19 game. But I think this Liberty team has room for a lot of improvement. That's crazy. And I don't even think they're as good as they can be. So I'm excited. I think next season could be big for them. Well, after losing in the finals last season, the Liberty were out on a revenge tour that, as we know, ended in a title. So with the Lynx feeling like they might have been slighted
Starting point is 00:20:43 and that their championship was stolen, are they the team to fear next season? I feel like the Lynx, yes, because they're coming back with such a vengeance, especially if they're like, oh yeah, the finals were stolen from us and that's how they are still feeling. They're bringing that in, wanting to run it back to the finals and win it their way
Starting point is 00:21:01 rather than it being stolen. So yes, they are to be feared, but I think the ultimate team to fear is still the Liberty. Yeah, and I think it'll be a different mindset for the links next season, too. I think the links are good. I think it's they're right there with the Liberty again, but the mindset is different in that one. They expect to be there next season. I think there was a journey to understanding what they could be this year.
Starting point is 00:21:24 And next season, I think there's like this concept of like, all right, revenge tour, right? And I also think they'll also be hunted differently. I don't think they'll catch it. They won't catch anyone by surprise. And that's a different mindset too. So for me, the top two teams next season will be the Liberty and the Lynx.
Starting point is 00:21:48 And I also expect the Aces to be right back at the top next season, too. I don't know if I'm jumping the gun there. I was actually going to ask your thoughts on where Vegas falls in this. So that's perfect. Yeah, I think like for me, the teams I'm looking at next year at the top are Liberty, Lynx and Aces. And I think arrested healthy Aces with a retooled supporting cast, it's gonna be very good.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Guys, they were really good this year and they weren't anywhere near what they needed to be. They still played in the semi-final. So that's gonna be key. And I think for me, the team that could make the biggest jump into Contender might be the Fever. Coming up, we continue our look ahead to the 2025 season Like for me, the team that could make the biggest jump into Contender might be the Fever.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Coming up, we continue our look ahead to the 2025 season with a new game called Reboot, Reload, or Rerun. We'll be right back. Welcome back into Good Follow. Now let's look ahead to 2025 with a new game called Reboot, Reload, Rerun. We love our games here and in this game I will tee up a team and our job is to determine what they should do next. Should they blow the whole thing up and reboot their team, make some big moves this off season and reload, or do they stay the course and rerun with what they've got? And we don't have to all agree this time.
Starting point is 00:23:15 So you two ready? Yep. Ready. Okay. I think we're going to do this good this time. Our last two go arounds like games haven't been our strongest, but this one is on our side. Let's start with the Las Vegas Aces who finished second in the Western Conference. The Aces' quest for a three-peat came to an end this year in a game four semifinals lost to the Liberty. They went 12-8 in conference play and 27-13 overall with the help of MVP Asia Wilson.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Should the Aces reboot, reload, or rerun? I'm in between reload and rerun. I think a small reload. In what way? If they couldn't repeat with the team that they have and the team that they got the first two with pretty much, then I think we need some changes. For me, I think it's like a mini reload on the supporting cast. I mean, we're rerunning the core four group, the Asia, Chelsea, Kelsey, and Jackie. But, you know, this is a group that needs more size, needs more rebounding, needs better defense, needs better health. And I think that with that kind of retooling of the supporting
Starting point is 00:24:28 cast, they'll be right back there fighting for a championship again, just like they did this season, but they'll be a top team for it. Any other thoughts from you, Logan? I mean, Roz kind of touched on it, but depth was an issue for them this season. Yeah, that was going to be my first answer is they need to work on depth, especially because we've been seeing teams who like their bench players are really coming in clutch. And I feel like they rely on their core so much that the others are really up there on the same level. So I'd like to see that happen. And if they once they get depth, I think they
Starting point is 00:25:00 will definitely be running it back. And look, the acces have been historically not deep for the past few seasons now, and they've been able to overcome that. But the rest of the league is getting better. And the teams know what to do against them at this point. I think it's time to re-up and look at the success. I'll use an example.
Starting point is 00:25:18 The New York Liberty had coming off of their loss last season in the WNBA finals to the Aces, what did GM Jonathan Cole do? Retooled the roster to support that core group. And that bench, that second unit, the Niara Sabalis, the Leoni Thebishes were huge in helping the Liberty get over the hump and win a championship this season.
Starting point is 00:25:41 If they can pull that off in the Aces this off season and find the right pieces that make sense, they're right back there. I mean, you know, this is it's and as long as that core group gets the proper healing and rest that they need because, you know, Chelsea was unhealthy. And I think there have been players on that team that went through a lot, not only on the court, but off the court. And, you know, this would be a really important off season to just, gather yourself and come back ready to go. Well, let's move on to the Eastern Conference. We have the Indiana Fever. The Fever took third in conference play going 11 and nine and 2020 overall and made the playoffs for
Starting point is 00:26:18 the first time since 2016. Current Rookie of the Year, Caitlin Clark led the team with nineteen point two points per game and Aliyah Boston leads and blocks. I'm sorry, and Aliyah Boston led in blocks and rebounds. So should the fever reboot, reload or rerun? Ross, what do you think of the sun? I mean, I like that young core group rerunning that back. They've got something really special in Aliyah Boston and Caitlin Clark. And the two of them together looked really great
Starting point is 00:26:46 by the end of the season. They found their rhythm and individually, they were excellent. Obviously you run everything back with Caitlin Clark. She was excellent. That second half of the season in particular was explosive, historic. Her entire season was, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:02 we'll have to see what Kelsey Mitchell does, but that's a huge key and having her back. I think for the team overall, though, they could use some reinforcements inside, helping with size, helping with rebounding and helping defensively. So I guess the answer is they are much like the aces. I think they have a core that works. You reload a mini reload in strategic positions, but I think they have a core that works. You reload a mini reload in strategic positions. But I think they got a core that is going to be one of the best in the WNBA in these years to come. We're looking at the new.
Starting point is 00:27:35 This is that next generation. I think they need a bit of a little bit more of a bigger reload, just building around those players, though. But as you said, like once they can get the whole team around them and them playing off of Caitlyn and Aliyah, potentially Kelsey, then yeah, they're definitely going to have a shot, especially with Caitlyn driving that car. Well, like you said, Roz, for everyone, key free agent is Kelsey Mitchell. So we'll see what Indiana does there with them. But we're going with a mini to major reload. But now let's look at a team in the middle of the
Starting point is 00:28:06 pack this year, the Phoenix Mercury. Ten and ten in conference play 19 and 21 overall this year under head coach Nate Tibbitts, finishing fourth in their division and a potential retirement of Diana Taurasi should the Mercury reboot, reload or rerun. I'm going with reboot to be honest. I think they tried to have too many stars, offensive stars, the people that are going to go get the points on their team this year. But the way that they're working together, it's just not working for the team. It wasn't really working on defense and obviously it wasn't getting it done.
Starting point is 00:28:38 So as much as I like them all together, I think they maybe tried to do a bit too much. I'm not too sure because when you look at other super teams, you still have big names, but they all play different roles and they feel like a lot of these players were kind of playing similar roles. So yeah, reboot. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, well, we have to wait and hear from Diana Tarasi and the franchise is patiently waiting as well. I mean, her decision changes everything, you know, regardless of she stays or goes.
Starting point is 00:29:06 But if Diana Tarassi does retire, you are immediately in a reboot. If you didn't know, if Diana Tarassi says I'm done, DT, I'm walking away from the game, whatever franchise she was on is rebooting because, you know, now you're talking about culturally stepping into a new era, into a new identity, into a chance to really think about what does the Mercury look like moving forward? And it gives you the room to make a new roster, to try new things. You have Coach Tibbitts, who's a brand new coach.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Now he can really perhaps build out a vision alongside the GM and Nick, your end and really build out what they want to do for the franchise moving forward. You know, much like if you remember Kobe with the Lakers at the end, Diana Tarassi, very similar in the sense that they have earned the opportunity here to take their time on their decision.
Starting point is 00:29:59 They put butts in seats. They are the franchise. They are the goats. They are greatest of all time type players. And at the end though, and I say this, the words I softly hear, in some ways it holds the franchise hostage on their way out in the sense of like,
Starting point is 00:30:20 it's hard to move forward until you make room for what your future identity and vision is with them moving out. So this is a really key moment in franchise history for the Phoenix Mercury. And it really rests on what Diana Taurasi decides. Well, other than the potential of retirement of Diana Taurasi, another key free agent to look out for
Starting point is 00:30:41 is Brittany Greiner when we're looking at the Mercury. But let's move on to another team. We'll look at someone who finished middle of the range and that's the Seattle Storm. They took third in the Western Conference going 13 and seven and 25 and 15 overall with Jewel Lloyd leading in points per game at 19.7. Let's also not forget the Storm had Skyler Diggins-Smith,
Starting point is 00:31:04 Ezeemag Begore, and Nneka Umagay. Should the storm reboot, reload, or rerun? Oh my gosh. I think I'm going to go with reload on this one. Yeah, maybe like another mini reload to build around once again that core that they had last year. I mean, their record, I'm sorry, can you say their record again? 25 and 30?
Starting point is 00:31:27 They were 25 and 15 overall. 25 and 50. For some reason in my head, it doesn't seem like that. It seemed like they had a bit worse of a season, especially because before him, we were talking about them kind of competing with the Liberty and the Aces up there. And that's not really what we saw from them. So yeah, I think a reload would,
Starting point is 00:31:46 they would really benefit from that. Yeah, and I think so too. I think one, we have to see what Nneka Agumike, where she's gonna end up, that's huge. And whether she's there anywhere Nneka is, that team is immediately better. She's had all WNBA season, one of the best seasons of her career,
Starting point is 00:32:04 but I think it flew under the radar because of the kind of middle success that the Seattle storm did with Gabby Williams every season. It's kind of hard to know. Is she going to be available, you know, in the US or not? Is she going to want to play or can she, you know, I think, Jewel Lloyd, some hard questions need to be presented in that she hasn't had an efficient season this season for sure. And she's their franchise or she's one of the players they're looking to to build around. She must have a better season next year. It can't carry on like this.
Starting point is 00:32:44 So there's pressure there. I think Skylar Diggins-Smith will bust out next season. She really used that Olympic break and bust out in the second half of this season. And we saw like, once she got her lungs and legs and conditioning under her, she was so much improved. So I think like next year, there'll be a lot of growth for this team. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some some movement. I wouldn't be surprised at all. And I wouldn't be mad at a at a at a mini reboot, a mini reboot. All right for our last team, you all know, I'm a California girl.
Starting point is 00:33:18 So let's look at the Los Angeles Sparks. The Sparks were last in the conference going 8 and 32 overall, which was the worst season in franchise history. They also fired head coach Kurt Miller and number two overall pick Cameron Brink was out most of the season with a torn ACL. Should the Sparks reboot, reload, or rerun? And for context, two of their key free agents are Kia Nurse and Ari McDonald. Reboot it. That's all I have to say. Keep some players like you can in there. She deserves to play as she was drafted because she didn't get to play much
Starting point is 00:33:50 last year. Reboot. I want to see a completely different team, honestly. Yeah. And I think, you know, the core that you have to build around is really exciting. Like the supporting cast, you can you can plug and plug them in. But again, this is one of those teams where the future is bright. Cameron Brink, hopefully she comes back
Starting point is 00:34:11 in a full, healthy, and also fast manner that allows her to be back for the season, and hopefully no complications. And Rekia Jackson had an incredible rookie season. And so you've got this great core of talent, of youthful talent. Don't forget, the Sparks might end up with the top draft pick because they were so poor.
Starting point is 00:34:32 What if Paige Becker is in LA? All of a sudden, you've got this really incredibly talented power-packed, star power-packed crew in LA. I mean, the potential is huge. And so I think this is really where your GM shines and putting the right veteran pieces around this group and an original historic legacy franchise in the Sparks has all the potential to be great.
Starting point is 00:34:59 So I'm excited. All right, we're voting full reboot, which I think if I might have been our first full reboot of the game. But I'm with both of you on all of your answers. Cosine, 100 percent. But that's it for our game of reboot, reload, or rerun. Coming up, I reveal my DraftKings picks of the week,
Starting point is 00:35:20 and Logan shares her latest good follow. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Good Follow. Before we get into our weekly picks, our partners at DraftKings have an offer that's perfect for any gameday. Right now, new customers who bet $5 will instantly get $250 in bonus bets. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and sign up using promo code Good Follow. That's $250 in bonus bets to spend on parlay, live betting or picking straight up winners after betting just $5. And if sports betting is not yet available in your state, you can still join in on all
Starting point is 00:36:09 the fun with DraftKings Daily Fantasy and have the shot to win cash prizes. Again, download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now and use promo code GOODFOLLOW for $250 in bonus bets instantly after betting just $5, only at DraftKings Sportsbook. Okay now it's time for this week's DraftKings Sportsbook picks. The NWSL regular season comes to a close and the Houston Dash are set to take on Bay FC at home. Bay FC secured three crucial points with a 1-0 win against NC Courage thanks to a late goal from Abbey Dahlkember, keeping Bay FC's playoff hopes alive.
Starting point is 00:36:42 They currently sit in 8th place with 31 points, and a win or draw against Houston would secure their spot in the playoffs. With so much hope on the line for Bay FC in their inaugural season and Houston's struggling season, I'm picking Bay FC to get the three points on the road. I'm also looking out for Azizat O'Shaala, who has seven goals this season after joining Bay FC from FC Barcelona. And on the other side of the ball, vets Abby Dahlkemper and Caprice Zydasko will have to frustrate Houston's offense.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Logan, what are your keys for Bay FC to keep their playoff hopes alive? Once, I feel like I say this every week, but it is crucial that they score goals, like lots of goals, because as we know, the tiebreaker, I think as we'll come up to, the tiebreaker is going to be with goals. So they really need to get that number up. But I honestly don't think they'll have that hard of
Starting point is 00:37:29 a time doing it given that they're playing Houston, who hasn't won in a fair amount of time and hasn't really had a great season. Well, and also like, I wish I actually wish I had prepared the stat prior to this, but there was a point in the season, well into the season where BFC hadn't drawn a game. They were either losing games or winning games. And to your point, like, some of them were just like, we just needed more goals. And it's always such a scary moment when it comes to playoffs, I think,
Starting point is 00:37:57 unlike any other sport, when it comes down to like, you could be right there and it could come down to, you just didn't score enough goals or whatever the time breaker may be. Yeah, I was looking at their recent games on I think Monday and it was either like one nil or like two nil or they were losing one nil. Like they were not getting numbers on the board and especially with the teams at the top, they at least have a few games where it's like four goals or even three. Like it's not that bad. But also when it comes down to that, they're going to have to be great on defense
Starting point is 00:38:29 because once again, they can't have any goals scored against them. And you don't want everything like canceling out and they just end up breaking even again. Well, let's look at the rest of the competition, because if Racing Louisville win their last game against San Diego and BFC loses, they would end up tied on points because right now in the standings, Racing Louisville are right below them. So, um, and like you said, they would actually take the tiebreaker due to the 11 goal differential. So how do you think this is going to play out with Louisville? I have no clue. Honestly, in true end of yourself fashion, like Louisville would lose and then Bay would lose or something like that. But San Diego is a
Starting point is 00:39:05 tricky team because they have some wins over some decently good teams, especially the ones in the middle of the pack. But then on the other side, Louisville has good wins and on paper they should be beating them. So what I think is going to happen is honestly they might just both win. I could really see that happening, but this is also the end of yourself. We have to be considerate of how much chaos there is. I was gonna say, that's what's so hard about NWSL predictions, especially in the playoffs, is it anything can happen.
Starting point is 00:39:34 And that is one of the things I love most about soccer and women's soccer is like, nothing is guaranteed. Anything can happen. And all the teams kind of that were fighting for a playoff spot were super close for a little bit up until last week that just kind of came down to Bay and Racing Louisville. So I wouldn't have expected Bay to be here given the beginning of their season. But with that said, they're also kind of
Starting point is 00:39:55 peeking at the right time to make it into that spot. Totally. And I was so wrong last week. I said Angel City was going to do it. And then not only did they not get the win, but Bay's win actually just eliminated them before they even played against Utah. Well, let's look at Kansas City. Two weeks ago, Tenwa Chowenga scored her 19th goal, which broke Sam Kerr's single season scoring record. And then last weekend, she scored her 20th goal and became the first player to score against every opponent in a single season. Tenwa is seven goals ahead of Orlando's Barbara Banda in the Golden Boot race.
Starting point is 00:40:27 So ultimately, she secured that title. Now, if she can do this all in her first year in the league, what can we expect from Temwa in year two? I don't even know, because you say like we're saying that she's conquered the end of yourself because she scored against every team. What what comes after? Can you do? Yeah. But it's so crazy.
Starting point is 00:40:46 And I absolutely love to see it again, going back to that Ballon d'Or snub. That is absolutely insane. But the sky is truly the limit for her. Maybe next year she aims to score multiple goals against each team. I truly don't know, but we are so blessed to be living in an era that we could watch her just absolutely cook on the field. Her speed is so amazing. And the way that Kansas City uses her is so amazing and it has really played to
Starting point is 00:41:10 their advantage. Well, I feel like all Casey needs to do is win a championship this year. And in Temwa's first year in the league, she will have done, I mean, maybe other than winning MVP and finals MVP at this point, every year I hear on out is just like just trying to better herself and break her own record. It's like you already put yourself in a completely different league. Like in the next five years, like what is maybe she'll go in net, honestly, trying to get a shutout season.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Like she's in my eyes, she's superwoman. Well let's stay with Kansas City because the current tied the record for most goals scored in a single season at 54. With one game left in the season, they are likely to break it. And the current did this in just their fourth year in the league. So are they like are they the future of NWSL? They have a lot going on for them. I mean, CBK Stadium is the first stadium built specifically for a professional women's team. They're definitely setting the bar when it comes to women's sports.
Starting point is 00:42:08 I think they're up there with the future. I mean, we do have to look back at the results that they've had. I think the first year they didn't do very well. And then the second they were runners up and then they went back to not doing well. And now they're kind of top mid this year. I think they're three right now. I'm interested to see how they do in the playoffs, but I think given that they have their own stadium and the fans are insane, I think it was a 13th sold out match in a row
Starting point is 00:42:34 that they just had this weekend. So obviously the market is there. They love it. We have great ownership and coaching behind it. So I'm really interested to see what they're gonna do. And I think whatever it is, it's going to be amazing. Yeah. And they're in such a, like you said, such a special market that like KC fans just love their
Starting point is 00:42:51 sports no matter what. And if you want bring Taylor Swift into the conversation, I know we're both not Swifties, but let's say she's like, Hey guys, go to a game. Like the impact that that will have is massive. And the people already doing that, their impact has been massive. So their future is very, very bright to say the least.
Starting point is 00:43:12 I agree. Well, actually let's look on the international stage. Last weekend Emma Hayes announced her 26 player training camp roster for the current FIFA international window. And the roster includes 18 members of the Olympic roster and six uncapped players, three of them making their first US women's national team camp. You can tell based on the roster that this camp is a time for Emma to experiment with you,
Starting point is 00:43:37 I'm sorry, new and young talent. Logan, were there any names that surprised you? Eva Gatino, I believe her is how you say her name. She plays in PSG, but that in my mind is telling me that Emma, we knew she was already looking at the international market or playing overseas, but she's looking there even more because she's kind of come up here and there, but hasn't really been as big of a name as let's say Corbin Albert playing with PSG.
Starting point is 00:44:03 So I'm excited to see her. And also Alyssa Molonson, I'm not gonna lie, I had to google her name and even watching as much soccer that I have for some reason I haven't heard it before but she was the first expansion pick for Bay and she was doing really well at Auburn. So she's playing in the NWSL, I haven't really heard her name but Emma clearly has. So you could tell that she's been looking at everybody and there's a trend that these are really young players. So I'm excited to hear those. But also when Olympic players don't have to be on the roster, I don't know what that roster
Starting point is 00:44:36 is going to be like, but it's going to be, I feel like an amalgamation of just different players from different leagues, from different ages, different school, like everything. What word did you just use? Amalgamation. My mom used it growing up and it stuck in my head. What does that mean? Is it kind of like a smorgasbord? A belting pot? Okay, a smorgasbord.
Starting point is 00:45:01 A combination. Amalgamation? Wait, now I'm questioning my English. No, no, no, no. I just like, I learned something new today. So that's like my key takeaway from this episode. Amalgamation? Yeah, I believe it's another word for combination.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Okay, we're going with it. Well, thank you for teaching me something new today. Anytime. Well, let's close out the show. And as you all know, the foundation of Good Follow is that communities get built one Good Follow at a time. And each week, one of us will highlight a person, page or brand as the Good Follow of the week.
Starting point is 00:45:35 So Logan, you're up this week. Who is your Good Follow? Alrighty, my Good Follow of the week is Shannon Domingso, I believe is how you say it, at Shannon Domingso on TikTok. She does social for the NFL and vlogs her days. So if you've ever seen a viral NFL moment on TikTok, she is most likely the one behind it. Let's take a look at one of her behind the scenes videos.
Starting point is 00:45:55 Come work football Sunday with me at the NFL. So because I work for the league, we have to do every single game on a Sunday. So I'm not working for a particular team where I get to focus just on one game. It is every single game on a Sunday. So I'm not working for a particular team where I get to focus just on one game. It is every single game. There's too many things. Oh! Wait, that would have been so bad. 10-15, I think we're done.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Absolutely insane. I mean, I can barely keep up with Red Zone on NFL Sundays. It is way too much to me. I prefer to just watch one game, but she has to keep up with every single one and post about it. I just think that's honestly like having a superpower, but also as somebody who loves the NFL, I love to see women take up space in men's sports and be very, very good at it. So cool to see her running things and she's funny with it.
Starting point is 00:47:09 There was a moment when she was like here, damn, when a lot of people were asking for a certain video, I think, and I think that reply went more viral than the video in question. So that is my good follow of the week. Everyone go follow at Shannon Domingso on TikTok. I love her. I follow her. Yeah, I just also to your point like to,
Starting point is 00:47:30 to do all of that on a day-to-day basis for your full-time job and then bring us behind the scenes with a vlog is so much work and the fact that she doesn't consistently and also I love her cause she's another Filipino in sports and can sing her butt off. So definitely follow her on TikTok cause you're going to get a what's the word?
Starting point is 00:47:49 Amalgamation. An amalgamation of content. I was actually going to ask if you knew if she was Filipino or not. I follow her. She goes by like Shani, right? Yeah. She will give you an amalgamation of content. So I love the good follow. Follow her. She goes by like Shani, right? Yeah. She will give you an amalgamation of content. So I love the Good Follow and we want to hear from you, our fans. Who is your Good Follow? Send your nominations to at Good Follow show and tell us why your Good Follow should be featured on our show. Good Follow is brought to you by DraftKings. We will see you next week. So So So So Bye!

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