The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Have the Spurs Been Tested More Than OKC?! + SGA vs Wemby Gets REAL | Alley Oop 184

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

The NBA Playoffs are getting HEATED On this episode of Alley Oop, Juju & Trysta break down whether the San Antonio Spurs are actually MORE battle-tested than the Oklahoma City Thunder heading into the Western Conference Finals. Has Victor Wembanyama faced tougher competition than Shai Gilgeous-Alexander? And what does that mean for the series?Plus: who do we trust more in the East between the Cleveland Cavaliers and New York Knicks? Juju & Trysta debate the Cavs vs Knicks matchup, break down Donovan Mitchell’s huge performance, and discuss whether Cade Cunningham completely disappeared at the worst possible time.We also get into: The Detroit Pistons collapse James Harden finally doing what he’s supposed to do Ausar Thompson and the growing concerns about his jump shot A'ja Wilson’s controversial lane violation Giannis Antetokounmpo’s attitude The legend of Derrick White Ale Who do YOU trust more right now — Spurs or Thunder? Knicks or Cavs? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Until James is a serious player, we have to just call him Jimmy. Yeah, yeah, Jimmy Hardin, bro. Jimmy H. Jimmy. What up, boy? What you doing? He's like, he's 80 on the porch. Hey, ain't nothing just chilling.

He's just blessed, you know what I mean? But he's out there hooping. He's out there hooping. But that's Jimmy now. Yeah, that's Jimmy. Salute to Jim, man. I got a hundred guns of hunting clips. I'm from Atlanta.

Welcome back to the alley Oof I am the kid Jujugati Join as always by my sister Trista Crick How you doing?

It's a lovely Monday Juju It's a day for a eulogy Today For a wake Today for a funeral Let me just tell you It's a

Break it down. Break, break down. Instead of breaking me on down. Well, I mean, we don't really, there's not a lot of analytics needed. You got your ass whooped in game seven at the crib as a one seat that won 60 games by a team that everybody's been calling soft. So, no, you guys were soft. And Kay Cunningham ran out of gas, 13 points, a minus 32 for the game, which was a worst. on the team plus minus.

I mean, over separate for three. When you lose by 32 and you're the star player, you're going to be out there. So I don't know. But your point still stands. I mean, it's just, yeah, I guess. That's right.

But wasn't able to get any scoring done. Mm-mm. Got absolutely nothing from Tobias Harris. You get... Zilch. Literally zilch. You got fucking why is my guy what's his name, Marcus Sasser.

Why is he out there? You know, why is he playing so many minutes? Why did Paul Reed only play eight minutes? There we are. Why did Isaiah Stewart only play six minutes? I don't understand what's going on. What is going on? Brough, bigger staff was trying to prove points I feel like at the wrong time,

bruh. Like, I feel you by trying things out and tinkering. But, like you said, bro, ain't no way in here. hell basketball pile is supposed to get under eight minutes, nine minutes, bro, what is you doing?

And I saw when he got took out too. He was just as mad as me. This is what I think happened to basketball, Paul. They told Paul he was coming out. My boy said, and I said, oh, no, please don't allow that

the judge the rest of the game. We ain't see him no more. The rest of the game. We saw the end of the bench before we saw him. And so I think that it's just semantics, it was the scheme, everything that the Pistons

could have done. they should have done. And you can't get that type of, I mean, we don't want to beat my boy down. But, shit, bro. Jalen Duren, bro, you got to show up, bro. He ain't even have a six shot attempts, seven shot attempts. Like, you're so not a factor in this game that I feel like it would have behoved them boys to sit you now.

And they didn't. Dennis Jenkins up and down the roster. I don't think anybody on that team provided Kate with their. help that was necessary outside of Osar defensively. And that's what my boy, my sister been saying all year. That's it. I mean, like Merrill Street

be saying, and devil wears Proud of, that is all. But speaking of Merrill brothers and sisters and my non-binaries, Sam Merrill was Michael Jeffrey Jordan yesterday. They said

they said, Sam Meryl Lynch branches open on Sundays. That is just wow. Who said that joke? Phenomenal. 23 points for Sam Meryl shot 70% from the floor, hit five threes on your eyeballs? I mean, I don't know.

I mean, I don't know. And it's toughness, bro. James Hardin performance where he did d-dick. Nine points shot 20% from the field. You can't get a win at the crib. in Detroit. Like you said, the four ran out of gas.

And I think that's why, I was telling folks this around the time the trade happened. Nobody cares about being right sometimes, but I do right now. But I told them boys on the Leverton show, James Harden to Cleveland, it's not James Harden to Brooklyn.

It's not James Harden to Philly. It's not James Hardin to L.A. or Houston. All those places needed something out of my boy in the game seven scenario. Cleveland, All they got to do is activate their Megatron Autobots and just say, hey, James, pass us to ball when you see us. You can shoot if you want to, but we're pretty sure you don't want to. Pass us to ball.

And that's exactly the way he did. Just don't turn the ball over. And guess what? He did it. Yeah. And he's still trying to get that damn three point double foot. File me, please. You got to stop doing that, James.

Jimmy Hardin. Let me tell you, do that once every game. Don't do it every. Did you call him Jimmy? Jimmy Hardin? You made me? Do it once a game, bro. You're pulling it out every two plays,

and that's why you're not getting the call. It's goofy. But respect, dude with the way it's supposed to be, brother, Jared Allen, big game. Evan Mowgli, super game. Like, dumb boys in Detroit did not know what to do with a damn pick and road to save their life. It was like they just forgot.

Right, bro. Salute, man. We love you, I love you. I will say to Donovan, Mitchell, I thought, played with a level of aggressiveness right away. Yeah. That was very needed. I know he had an ankle sprain, but he looked very explosive and quick and bouncy from

moment one. He was getting downhill, but he was also, I thought, the thing that was really impressive and for whatever reason, the pistons just didn't see coming. He was getting downhill and then was just dumping it off to Evan Mowgli or Jared Jared Allen for these easy lobs. They're collapsing on Donovan Mitchell, and he's got an easy wrap-around pass for a dunk, and then it's kind of like, well, I mean,

they had 50-something points in the paint on Detroit. Yeah, man. And my boy, Kedrick, Cunningham, brother, you can't make plays like this and not get besmirched by my sister. Kate had a play during the game. After this play, after I saw this, I'm like, oh, damn, my boy is not here.

today. I don't know what this is. The conspiracy Twitter was eating this one up, boy. Look how Kate on the pick and roll. Jared out and falls down. Here, Jared. What was that? Brough. This is when I was like,

bro, what's happening? No, no, no, no, no, no. We're not doing this, Kate. He threw it right into his lap. Yeah, man. It was time for my boys to go home, bro. After I saw that, like, yeah, yeah. You do not need to pull up in New York with none of this, bro. Good luck.

I think next year going, they overachieve this year, go ahead. Can I ask you something crazy? Go ahead. Like, who is that for them that they should go after? I mean, to me, you got to get some scoring. You got to get somebody that,

because that's why I think Cleveland was excelling yesterday because James didn't have it, but guess what? Dono time, you dig? It's everybody else time to step up, Sam Mera. And so I think, Somebody like Zach Levine. That's what I was thinking. You see what I'm saying?

From Sacramento. That's why I was like, it's crazy. It's potentially a crazy take because you kind of, I mean, Zach Levine can't guard, though. The thing is they need somebody that can score and guard. Maybe they can go out. I know that Drew doesn't want to leave, and I don't want to trade them. I feel like Drew's a perfect player for the type of team that wants every guy

on the floor to be able to defend. Yeah. But like, listen, Osar, we got to, we got to talk. Yeah. We got to talk.

Come on. It's not acceptable to have no jump shot. It's not acceptable. It's not acceptable. I said this, I asked this to somebody that was like a shooting coach

in the NBA. Yeah. And I said, could anyone, no matter who they are? Yeah. That's like already in the NBA. Become an elite shooter.

And they said, well, what do you mean? I go, I'm not even talking about like perfect form or anything. But just like not leave them open, become a respectable three-point shooter. If there's not something wrong with their shoulders like Alyssa Thomas. Right. Cash money records for the 9-9-2000 every time they shoot type shit. They said, yeah. It's literally about repetition.

and coaching. And to me, if you're an NBA player making lots of money and you want to make lots of money and you want to stay on the floor, like this is the easiest thing for you to be able to do. The thing that's hard is the thing

you already do well. Right. Because I don't know if y'all are looking at this. Look at my boy. Punch Max Cruz shit to the way. What row was that? Third row? Two hands, a volleyball style.

Like, bro, you can't teach this. Like my sister's saying, if you got that already, all you got to do is going to put up a thousand shots today. Come on. Somewhat formidable, bro. You're right, sis.

It's just, it's, to me, it's disrespecting the game. You might be right, brer. Look, I don't know if it, I don't know whether to believe this is or not the internet or not,

but lethal shooter seems like a great guy to pull up on them. It gets your form right. I understand it now. So do I got. I understand it now. I understand it now. I'm sorry.

And, hey, man, you might want to pull up on Brunt, too, because you can get a little better at that jumper. My boy shot an air ball from the corner yesterday, bro. Oh, sorry. I was like, and it was short. We cannot have that. Hell no, bro. It's to the point, Juju, where they're talking about all the people who, you know, like talk about basketball and ESPN and shit. Yeah.

I think you can't have him and Jalen Duren on the floor together ever. That's a best up sentence to be a part of imagine if somebody said, bro, we can't have you and Tristan on the court at the same time. I'm going to call you, bro.

We're going to get in the gym and work on some stuff ourselves before them four get the contracts. And Jalen Duren wants 40 M's. Can't pay him that. Look, you can go find that somewhere if you want to, bro. If they're going to give it to you, go ahead, bro.

Washington looked out they spending money. But here in Detroit, we're going for something totally different, man. It was a great year, but we still fell short. So, I mean, get well soon, salute. But the Cleveland Cavaliers about moving on to the New York Knickerbockers. The fans with the plans. Like, what do you predict out of this upcoming series? Does Cleveland have a chance, or is it just a foregone conclusion?

Gianno. To me, it's a foregone conclusion. The only way I see Cleveland winning this series is that their front court has to absolutely dominate. Yeah. You know, you have to get Mitchell Robinson in foul trouble. You got to, really, you got to, like, make, or make Mike Brown take them off the floor because you just foul the shit out of them and make them miss those free throws.

Yeah. But, because they're a little bit, you know, their depth that center is not really there. And, like, Carl Anthony Towns has pretty damn good series against these calves. So, you know, for me, it's like I need Evan Mowbly to stretch the floor. I need him to hit those threes that he was hitting against Detroit. I need Jared Allen putbacks. I need dunks. I need ferociousness.

You need Donovan Mitchell to stay completely healthy and get downhill at will. You need Max Drews and Sam Meryl to be their best versions at all times. You need Max Drews to lock Jalen Bray. Brunson down, all these things have to go perfect. Ah, I just, that sentence is kind of nice. Can't get there. Can't get there. Because that's my biggest problem.

A hurt on Cade. Max Drew was. Was great on Cade. But listen, Jalen Brunson's very shifty. He's a lot smaller than Cade, a lot more crafty than Cade, and uses a lot more trickery than Cade. So, yeah, I'm, I think OG and Nobie's going to be back to, which is not a good time for the calves. All of this to me is very, the bench for New York needs to turn into a pumpkin again. There's just so many things that has to go right for the calves and wrong for the Nix that I don't see them all happening simultaneously. So I'm going to take the Nix in five or six.

It's hard to argue with that, bro, because as cool as it sounds like you say, Matt Scruce. Hey, let's see it. bro, that's Jalen Brunson. Oh, excuse me, that's Michael Jalen Brunson on that side, brother. I'm not sure y'all have had to deal with something like this thus far. It's Shailen Gilgis Brunson out there. Right, bro, because my boy is so shifting. And my boy, not only that, you got New York behind you.

Last year you heard how it felt to lose to the damn pastures. The year before that, you felt how, I mean, this process could start. Now I feel like, bro, just the wheel that my boy got. his dad pops right here. Cleveland, it's going to be a tall order, especially if some other guys feel like playing tonight. Like McCall Bridges, if you're going to get last series of Macau Bridges,

hang it up because you can put him on Dono. You could put OG on James, excuse me, pardon me, Jimmy. You could put a cat on. You feel me like they have matchups up and down that roster specifically. James is a serious player. We have to just call him Jimmy. Yeah, yeah, Jimmy Hardin, bro. Jimmy H.

Jimmy Hardin is like so him right now. It's like, Jimmy, what up, boy? What you doing? He's 80 on the porch. Hey, ain't nothing just chilling. I just blessed, you know what I mean? But he's out there hooping. He's out there hooping.

But that's Jimmy now. Yeah, that's Jimmy. Salute to Jim, man. Hopefully you can get it together in this next series and get you a couple wins. But moving out to the West Saeed. Spurs taking on them boys, the Thunder. People are saying this is where the championship will come from. That W-E-S-T.

Who you got, sis? What makes me very nervous is how Vegas feels about this series. They have the Thunder, like, almost minus 300 to win the series. That's crazy. That's like 80% probability. I think it's probably less likely than that. Yeah. I don't think that the basketball element of this matchup is really being taken into consideration.

Not yet. You know, Wemby, Wembe's a factor that almost nobody can really put into your calculator and get a result for. Put that in your T.I. 85 and smoke eight. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. It's like error. It's an error. Right, right.

4.4. 4.4. What? What? You're like, just might as well turn that TI-85 into make it say hello. And I don't know. Like, in Steph Castle and Dylan Harper, they're not playing like youngsters. They're playing like season vets.

You got Harrison Barnes has got championship experience. The green anti-strip club coordinate. He's doing his thing. He's got championship experience. You've got, you know, Kelton Johnson, he saved Earth with Steph Curry in Team USA. No, wait a second. Not with Def Curry, with Kevin Durant. There we go.

The bubble in Japan. Yeah. Yeah. My bad, my bad. He wouldn't have made that roster in Paris. And they said, no boy, everybody wants to go to Paris. So, yeah, I mean, they've got, you know, Wembe has Team France experience. They've got a bunch of high leverage moments that they've been a part of.

Yeah. So it's all about, is Jalen Williams going to? to disrupt the flow of how this team looks now that he's come back. We did see that Jason Tatum did. He did disrupt the flow of the balance when he re-injured himself. They didn't know how to go back to their original identity. So yeah, I think the spurs have a puncher's chance. Yeah, bro.

I think you hit on the head because even if, say, let's just say, Jalen Williams comes back and it gives a little hitch in there, giddy up. Hey, Jalen, sit on right quick. AJ. AJ, you know what to do. So I feel like, it's going to be a tired task because they are at their superest right now. The Thunder. She just got his next award.

I mean, everything is clicking right now. He's about everybody at APs. Not even the, not even the, um, Casio ones either. He got them real APs. Right. These ain't swatches. No, they're not swatches. No.

These are real deals. it's capital A&P. But I feel like if there's ever a chance to steal one, it's tonight. Because them boys got all that going on. And you know, my boy, Toronto guys over there, Drake just dropped. You feel me? Like, them boys is really high right now off our life. So if you're going to get one, this will be a great one to steal and then turn the eight

ball back on them boys. And by the time you listen to this, the game has already been over. So we look smart or we look dumb. So now you know, game one result has already concluded. You can tell us whether we forecasted this appropriately. I think that San Antonio is a really hard place to play too. Like this is like there hasn't been that great of a challenge yet for OKC. They play Phoenix.

Yeah. You clap them up. There's like no resistance there. And then you play the Lakers, no resistance there. I mean, it was like competitive for three quarters. and then, you know, they turned on the jet. So we're going to see a real challenge. I feel like the spurs have been more tested

than the Thunder. You're playing the wolves that just beat the nuggets, even with a hobbled aunt and O'Donte and her Ayo. Yeah. Fine. Portland was a lot more pesky than I think that the Phoenix Suns were. They were up in three of those games. Out of those five games, they were up by double digits.

They were up by 20-something. in game four. So, I mean, yeah, I like to think that the Spurs are going to be able to give them a test. Yeah, yeah. And I do agree with Earth. I think the champion is coming out of this West. I mean, if the Knicks and the Spurs get there, we've seen in that cup. The Knicks can make this a value effort against the Spurs.

I'm just not sure it's going to translate into the finals if they get there in barring energies. But I 1,000% agree with you, brother. Until you beat the man, I don't know what to say to you. And the man is standing right there across from you starting last night. Facts. But moving on to a little segment

that we used to call. Yes, sir, man. I don't know if you're seen over the weekend. My sister, Asia Wilson, excuse me, pardon me, Queen Wilson came to Atlanta, man. Got the dub for my. dream.

It was a close game. Can I ask you a question? Go ahead and ask. What did you think about the, That Girl University? What are you talking about? Asia Wilson is that girl university. You know,

we like to have fun. We like to allow our sisters' jokes to try to get off. You know, the same way I'm pretty sure that Dion Dawkins from the Buffalo Bills didn't go to you already snow university. She had an attempt that humor. I don't know if Atlanta. Oh, my God. But Asia's not a funny person.

Like, she's not that funny. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you're. It's like if Draymond Green tried that. It's like you're not funny. You're like already a villain. There's already ammunition here.

It's like if Kennedy Carter. I don't know. Hold on. I don't know. Asia funny, did you see when she first put the bob on her head? Oh, yeah. That was funny.

but what do you think would happen if Caitlin Clark would have said I'm from that girl university the internet would have exploded bro what and they would have had that girl university on the next Indiana fever jerseys it would have been crazy you saw that was catching hell too for not putting on a caton on the graphic bro

salute to Dave man Dave you got you can't be pulling out the this is unfair stick for promo pictures cut like come on what you thought about that that do they have to put Caitlin on every promo picture or is it okay to let Raven get some shine, man? You can't leave

Caitlin Clark off the promo and put Raven on the photo. What's the, I mean, why? Like, I feel like if you're watching this game, but they, so is the, are the pictures moving

forward because you, I'm willing to, I'm understanding right now, I'm just having the conversation. You don't think that moving forward we could, involve some of the lesser players and some of these promos, because I feel like if you know the fever plan, you know what's going on. Is it a file on the people who didn't put her up there?

Can't do it. If you're going to put Raven on there, you have to put Caitlin on there. Can't not put your star player on there. It would be like if they put Nalissa on there and not Asia on there. Can't, like what? What is Nalissa doing here? I mean, I definitely see your side.

I just think that we could progress on that. I feel like it's a silly thing to get upset about. How about that? Are you upset about it or is it just like... It's really good to get upset about, but you know what time we're living in. You know what I mean? Like if we put the Eton O'Cott on there and we did not put Angel on there, it would be like, what the hellie? What is happening?

But nobody wouldn't be us. My thing is, yes, and that's where I would like to, we can close this loop. it's not that I don't think it's a conversation that should be had. I just don't think we should deploy the troops for it. Like, you know what I'm saying? A thousand percent agree. We need to take Raven down because it is Raven just on the picture. I don't think we should be deploying the troops for almost anything.

And there we go. But moving back into the Boystack territory, Asia Wilson, that was playing, the Connecticut son. And you know how in the lane, you gotta wait until the ball is shot by the free throw shooter. Look at my sister.

She's drunk. Oh, yeah. A little too early of a jump. I love that. It really shows me too that Beckyham is just such a place. Hey, bro. You know what?

You're actually, I recant everything I said. Asia is actually comedy. No, like she's truly comedy. After the game, Bam, Tweet the Asia pickover Flamingo. Because that's how she looked.

Aisha, you funny in hell, bro. She's like, oh, my God. Aja, girl, stop. But go ahead and get your lane violation. Thanks. Moving on, brother. Did you see the boy, Miles, from the books, Miles Turner, he took a flame towards to the books organization, talking about, don't boys be late.

Yonis don't ever get fine. Nobody ever get fine. Doc ain't shit. This brother ain't shit. The hot dog line name shit. My boy, Bobby Porter's heard out of it. He was like, boy, this got to be AI. What do you think on Miles Turner?

I can tell he's trying to get traded. But is this the method he should go with? Listen, I'm tired of Janus. And you know what I'm most tired of about Janus is that he has concocted this reputation? Yeah. He's like this family man. and he's like got these dad jokes and that he's like so likable and so jolly.

And it's like, no, Janice, you don't want to be the villain, but like you, all the things that you do are villainous and diva. Like you show up three hours late for the plane consistently. You think you can just do whatever you want to do. Like, fine, you're Janus. You've won an MVP multiple times, but like wear that shit. Don't make everybody keep this a fucking state secret for you. Okay?

We know you don't want to be in Milwaukee. You keep acting. You put the Leonardo DiCaprio meme. I'm not leaving. Like you're staying. You're not staying. You're not staying. You're annoying as fuck to me right now.

And now you're like, oh, why would, why would, and I don't even like Miles Turner. Why would Miles Turner do such a dead of it? I don't even like him. But guess what? Brianna Stewart asked you the question. Who was it? And you said, it was honest. Who else do you think you were?

Right. Sometimes you aggravate some folks enough. They don't got to carry your back, bro. You're aggravating, man. You're not staying away. You're not staying with us anyway. Why do I care about your feelings? And I've got my own men's and my own family.

I'm a family, man. You're being me? So, yeah, I think it's. If you were showing up late to the recording by three hours every single show, and someone was like, yo, who would, Was it that showed up late? Was it Rebecca? Was it Dylan?

It's like, nah, it was fucking juju. Okay? What? I don't know. I'd be mad. Yeah,

and if I did that to you too, you'd be like, come on, man. If I was doing that to you, you probably wouldn't tell on me, though. No, I'd be like, nah,

I think we was all late for real for that one. Yeah, that one, too. That was all us. But yeah, bro. But you mentioned earlier, bro, I'm going to get a box of fair warning right now. Do not trade for Jalen Brown.

I don't give a damn if you have the correct deal that makes the most sense for your future and you got people coming. If you trade for Jalen Brown, you're going to be right back in their boat in two years when he ready to get the hell up out of there. Do not trade for my boy. It's not going to work. But speaking of my Celtics, before we get out of here, D. White, my boy. Look at here. I don't know. It probably has been going on.

It pissed me up in the off season. I don't give a damn about none of this. If it's the opposite, hey, bro, can you put some shades on my boy's song? It's too soon. If I go to the bar and they got D. White on the table right quick, uh-uh. White L? Oh. Hey, man.

Get your money bit, bro. But we just lost. I don't want to see it yet. Am I tripping? Am I a fan scorn? If I don't want to see this yet. You're definitely a fan scorn, but why do they have that cup of Sam Adam? on DeWite like it's his bicep.

Like that's actually an extension of his arm that is like a foamy cup. Like that looks like his shoulder and that his arm comes down. It's terrible. Derek White Ale, the white ale with spices. Can we change the name?

Like my boy play in Boston. Can we say D.Y.L? Or we just going to go ahead and lean into it. The white ale over here. Come get you some. And my boy looking like, go ahead, take the picture. Did you take it? It looks like AI, to be honest with you.

Right, man. Salute Alan Iverson. But that's going to do it for another episode of the alley-out, man. Any last words on the way out of here, sis? I try to tell y'all, okay? Don't come at me acting like I don't know hoops. I told you it was going to happen. This team should have walked to the finals.

They were a one seat. The Knicks are vulnerable. They got Mike Brown. You got 60 wins. You let Cleveland come into your crib and get a dub and beat your ass along the way. And it looked embarrassing. And you looked disgusting along the way. And you did exactly what I said you were going to do on the way to me telling you it was going to happen.

So don't ever put disrespect on my name again. I saw Tristan name come across my phone last night. I already knew what it was. The money mush put money on the Detroit. Pistons minus four and a half plus one and a half plus four and a half plus seven and a half plus nine and a half just to make sure those mugs were dead. Thank you as always to our sister, Miss Rebecca Donahue, as well as the distinguished Dylan Huang, man.

Yes, sir, man. We love y'all. Thank you as always. And all the listeners out there, bro, without y'all, who the hell are we? Catch us again this Friday on the Levitare show YouTube. Same bad time. Different bad channel. You dig me.

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