The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: 5 Or Seconds Too Much

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Mike Tyson's cutman, Jacob "Stitch" Duran, joins the show to discuss everything that took place in the Tyson-Paul fight Saturday night. As Dan tries to get him to admit it was a bad fight, Mike Ryan tries to get to the bottom of whether or not Netflix showing Mike Tyson's ass was a manufactured moment. Plus, Greg Cote is left dumb founded by the claim that Stitch had a high-quality mustache at 12-years-old. Then, we get further into Greg Cote's bad arm week and how the perception is changing around Tom Brady as a broadcaster. Also, the officiating around the league is getting more-and-more inconsistent and the crew is frustrated by it, but is football simply too hard to officiate? Plus, the show is taking its talents to Flanigan's Thursday night! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with the Stugarts podcast. The Chiefs had not lost since Christmas of last year. Joe Burrow is the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for 300 plus yards, 3 plus TDs, no interceptions in back to back games and lose both of them. That's a good loss for the Chiefs though, right? Because they got the Bills right where they want them. The Bills acting like they won the Super Bowl yesterday. Congratulations you won a regular season game and they still have home field advantage. What are you doing? Joe Burrow has 3,000 passing yards, 27 touchdowns, four interceptions, they're

four and seven. Nobody ever has the great quarterback going four and seven like that when the quarterback is playing great. But we are joined now. We have to stop because Stu got looked into the preview and he was delighted because this man looks more like the face of boxing than Jake Paul does. Jacob Duran, Stitch is his name. He's the cut man for one of the best cut men working in boxing and MMA. What a great nickname for a cut man, Stitch is his name, he's the cut man for one of the best cut men working in boxing and MMA.

What a great nickname for a cut man, Stitch. Yes, Jacob Stitch Duran is with us and thank you Jacob, you do look like the face of boxing. You look like the corner of every corner I've ever seen in a boxing match. Thank you for being on with us. What were your thoughts of the overall experience on friday night the alaya thanks for having on the other day i think it was still at a site point right now uh... get a little bit asleep but that's a lot of questions uh... like this do

interviews and uh... has been a phenomenal but you know i i'll take it all stride because it was such a historical event such a historical moment that will never never be duplicated but the high probability of working Mike Tyson's last fight you know to me that was a kind of like a feather on my cap man so it doesn't get much better than that. Yes it does it was a crappy fight. Yeah well regardless you know forget the fights I don't look at that, I look at the events, right?

And then you're looking at a 50 year old man with a 27 year old young man, so you are going to see discrepancies in that. So yeah, it was more entertainment than it was a victory value. At any point did you feel bad for Mike? Well, you know, I knew that he started slowing down like uh... the start of the third round you know i told them there are the last two quickie in a wall you know and uh... people are talking about his leg and all that and you know

focused on his face on that looking for me down and uh... but in the dressing room and all that he uh... he seemed fine how would the fight have had to have gone for tyson to have a real chance? Like, strategically, what would Jake Paul have had to do that would have really enabled Mike to have a shot? Fight him at the beginning instead of run away. Yeah, I think the conditioning factor, you know, if you got a 58-year-old man, so the conditioning factor I think was the overall discrepancy in this

whole event. You know, it's a, but I saw him train, you know, I saw Mike train and I've known him got over 25 years, we just trained the same gym. So I knew his intensity type of training and the days I was in the gym, I saw that and I saw his sparring and I saw that but you know, I think, you I think the excitement, the adrenaline and everything, and then going into a fight and then going to combat with another one will drain you right off the bat. I think that's what happened there. Jacob, obviously you've been in the game forever.

You're a legend. You've seen and know more about boxing than we ever know. Would Canelo stand a chance against Jake Paul? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, you know, Jake Paul, as you, as I break down the events or fighters and all that, there's ABC and D, you know, Jake Paul's a good B fighter. He's a good athlete. And, and the reason I know that could like say I've done like three events with him, like four, I think four or five all together in the same program. But they were

wrestlers. And when I had a school of kickboxing, guys that were wrestlers that came into kickboxing made a good transition because they're athletes, right? So, but Canelo's a horse of a different color, bro. You know, now you're chewing a little bit more off than, you know, your ego is letting you do, so. Jacob, I want to put in front of you an accusation by Mike Ryan who says and you were in the locker room that the Mike Tyson ass video where he

turned around after being interviewed by his son to reveal ass shocking an international audience at Old Man Ass. Mike Ryan says that that was a manufactured for television moment that it was orchestrated can you give us from inside the locker room your personal opinion yeah well you know I saw my walk around of course you know bare-ass and I was gonna take a picture you know but I said nah you know that's a little too personal and then I and then I see it on social media and I don't know who put it out there but yeah that was that was my at his finest point. So it's not usually part of his normal routine. Interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, you know, he just finished putting his cup on and to walk around and yeah, just kind of learn to accept Mike Tyson as Mike Tyson. Okay, but Mike Ryan is saying that that is a manufacturer for television shock moment to go viral. Do you believe it was orchestrated? Yes or no?

No, not at all. Not at all. You know, Mike's doing his thing, and, yeah, I wasn't orchestrated for that at all. That'd be embarrassing to Mike, I'm sure. You know, I'm sure he got embarrassed, and Jerry's family got embarrassed. No, he looked great.

He looked great. It's a great ass. Looked really good, and it's just a weird time to be doing it. You've been with him for a long time in his career. It's just an odd time to start doin' something for the first time, walkin' around like that. Okay, that's fine. You can have your cynicism if you want.

The man is in the corner, the man is giving you his opinion. Is he in the production meetings? You want to interrogate him? You wanna- I mean, it sounds like you were trying to get the answer you wanted. Okay, well, keep going. You don't wanna believe that this was totally

manufactured. Yeah, no, I don't see that as being fabricated at all. Jake Paul would never. Yeah. Oh, Jake Paul. Hey, man. I'm new in this social media stuff, so you guys might have something, but I don't know.

No, I got a line here, too. Keep going, Mike. Keep interrogating. Jacob Stitch-Toran. Go ahead. Keep interrogating. See if you can get the answer you want. On the cut front, wasn't very busy for you

What was it? What was the deal with these big goofy gloves? I mean two minute rounds everybody was everybody had action on knockouts and it became very evident that after two rounds like oh We're not gonna actually see playing with clown cartoon gloves Yeah, I those are sparring gloves, you know, I'm just to see the eight two-minute rounds to me was a surprise, but I understand. This was not to see who's the best gladiator in the world. It's to see how much attention you're going to draw to this type of fight. I think it worked out for everybody. Yes, it did.

That's right. The first time I've been in a fight, in a pro fight, in in a major fight where 14 ounce gloves have been used Stitch take out the gloves from it and all the rules and we were trying to figure out who was the greatest gladiator and they Were fighting to the death without rules who would have won? No without rules just the the whole At the same age level no no as it was Same as they were the prime. Mike's a beat. Not in Mike's prime. He's saying right now. Right now. Friday. This Friday we're

going to do a rematch. To the death. No gloves. No rules. No jock straps. Naked. There's an old saying in this sport where you can beat anything but you can't beat time. So hopefully that answers that question, right? You think Jake Pothertown, Mike Tyson, Stitch you just said that. Yeah. Wow. Jacob just real quick to put a bow on it. Is this the worst actual boxing match you've ever been a part of? Well yeah I don't really consider it a boxing match but it's just the most entertaining one for sure. Okay, no, but not what I asked you. No, no, it's fine.

Yeah, you know what? I think as the fight's going on and I hear people booing out there and I say, well, you know, they're going to have to pick it up a little bit, right? But I expected a toe-to-toe fight for as long as it lasted, to be honest with you. You seem to be leading the witness here, Dad. I mean- I just ask them, is it? Or is it not the worst fight you've ever been involved in? You kind of walked right into the incident.

Hey, hey, hey. So I'm trying to give you the kind of answers to stroke you so I go to the next one. Wow, baby. I just asked him. Ha, ha, ha, you gotta wanna play the game? Let's play the game, man, come on. I just asked him the question of whether it was or it wasn't.

It was a question. All right. Yeah, but you know what? And when you look deep into what goes on when guys are making contact all right it's a hit sport it's a hurt sport sport. You got whatever the results going to be you got to give those guys credit for just being in there taking a shot you know and but yeah you know so respect to them both you know and yeah I was a shitty fight I agree you know and I'm not to the both you know and the other city for ivory you know and

i'm not gonna uh... expected more about more about but uh... in the sense it was good for the entertainment listen people are cynical they assume the next twenty million dollar offer is going to change everything percentage likelihood that we have seen mike tyson's last fight ever i would probably say the probabilities almost a hundred% you know I think reality will kick in that you know you can beat anything but you can't beat time so yeah you know I think you'll

do fine. He's one of the best cut men working in boxing and MMA. Jacob, thank you for being on with us we appreciate the time sir. No thank you guys I'm gonna go back to sleep now because it's an early call for me so thanks for being on guys. You really get it you get the entertainment value of the thing you don't care if it impacts boxing or not and father time is undefeated you really get it man. Great mustache too. And a great mustache how old is that mustache Jacob? Beautiful. Well since I was 12 years old like Pedro. Oh wow since you got 12 years old you had that much that must have been shocking to the other 12 year olds to have that mustache since you got 12 years old you had that much? That must have been shocking to

the other 12 year olds to have that mustache when you're 12 years old. Yeah and you know it's funny in the other computer game they have me without my glasses and I said well you know my mustache, my glasses, and my hair are my profile so I'm trying to get it back. Good seeing you. Thanks for having me on guys. Thank you. Thank you very much. Alright guys, the seasons are changing. You know what that means? Time to layer it up a little bit, change the wardrobe. In Miami, a little bit of a different story, but across the country when I'm traveling, I'm getting those layers in.

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I wanna talk about a team that I actually want to see come playoff time. I wanna see the Chiefs. Oh, Stugats. I want Patrick Mahomes strolling into my stadium with max confidence. I want Travis Kelcey. I want Taylor Swift.

I want the team that lost to Jordan Love. I want the team that lost to Aiden O'Connell. I want the team that trailed 17 to nothing to Jake Browning. That is the team that I would like to face in the playoffs. That's the team indeed that I would want to face in the playoffs because that team is not very good. This is the Dunne-Levitar Show with the Stugats. is not very good. This is the Dunn-Levatar Show with the Stugats. We're gonna get to Stugats' weekend observations here in just a second, but I did want to get back Stugats quickly before we do that to a couple of

football related things. The Bears lose in maximum Bears fashion. They allowed one touchdown when they were offside and had 12 men on the field and allowed the touchdown anyway. The Packers debilitate them at the end. What are you smirking about, Jessica? Me? Nothing. Terrible, terrible loss for the Bears.

So stinky. I'm still trying to process that guy at age 12. With a mustache. With a mustache that looked like that at age 12. Please, I couldn't grow that mustache today. You're having some difficulty here with your bad arm day and you've been having an unruly hair situation. Have you cut your hair since we publicly cut your hair here?

Have you cut your hair? Because it seems like it's grown out a great deal and when I came in here It looked like you had stuck your finger in a light sock. Yeah, I had actually Which is surprising because the light sockets are so small It's tough to do that and I wouldn't recommend it for anybody else I have had a haircut since the freebie I got here which wasn't really free because I had to tip the guy 20 bucks But I need a haircut. But the arm day, I don't know when it's gonna go away,

but I'll be very- Bad arm week, I thought. Well, it's a bad arm week for now. It'll take a while. I mean, it's- Have you ever had a bad arm month, Greg? I have in the past. It comes and goes, this thing, this condition.

And I've talked to my skin doctor about it was a dermatologist Yeah, and she's not overly concerned. She's like, it's sort of an age thing. Don't worry about it. Forget about it Hmm the splotchiness on your arm. Yeah, I would like a magic cream that just made it go away Cuz it's the red splotches. You can look you can moisturize. It's unsightly You know, so hmm. it is what it is. Doctors need to find the perfect balance, right? Because like, I don't like a doctor that's way too like lax about things,

but I also don't like a doctor that's overly concerned about situations. You need a doctor that's like very level-headed and meets kind of what you need from them, right? I like overly concerned. Really? Yeah, you know, I have a little bit of hypochondriac in me, and so I like to, I want that extra test, I want that extra scan.

What are you talking about? You famously, like, undersell everything to your doctors. No, you think I do. I've had to go to doctor's appointments with you. When your cough was bad, I went with you to a doctor's appointment. That kind of thing. And then I spoke to the doctor,

and he was like, oh, you haven't told me any of this. Greg, your thoughts, if I were to rewind the last 90 seconds for the people who are listening, it's like you're, it's like you don't know that you're on the air and you're not performing, it's just you're talking like around the kitchen, that kind of thing. It doesn't matter whether what you're saying makes sense or not. You're just, it's just unspooling gibberish instead of thoughts like you're a professional broadcaster on a Monday. Okay, I've heard him make this rant before. It's only partly rooted in truth.

I take care of myself like nobody's business. Yeah. I see six doctors, I got scans out the ass, everybody's always taking x-rays and doing this, doing that, popping pills, six pills a day. Nobody works on their health more than Greg Cody. Nobody, okay? That kind of thing.

It seems like you should be concerned though. I mean, all those scans, medications. I mean, but I got it under control. Okay. Good. But you're having a bad arm week and the way that you have it under control is by wearing a long sleeve shirt.

Yeah, because she can't prescribe a magic lotion for me. You know, invent one. It's on her. Yeah. You're bruising because your dog jumps up because you can't discipline it and scratches you with its talons, right? In this case, yeah. A little bit, yeah.

And you are now officially a person who bruises easily. You were not that before. Yeah, I have a little bit of a creepy skin thing. Well, when it comes to hypochondria though, I think of Stugat as more of a hypochondriac than you. I think of you as someone who will stubbornly not go to the doctor. Is it because you're a hypochondriac and you don't want the doctor to tell you the truth about what things are happening? Because I know when, for example, you look jaundiced or green or coughing too much,

it takes many of us seven or eight times to push you to a doctor because you're reluctant. Yeah, I think five years ago all of that was true. When I was at my worst, after I'd come out of my fairly major surgery on my abdomen and I had such a chronic cough that I had to leave my own bedroom. I couldn't sleep at night. I had to go to the far end of the house and try to sleep because I couldn't fall asleep because of

my chronic cough. A special kind of torture that one. Yes it was and we finally got that under control with medication and that taught me that this isn't gonna take care of itself. I need to really start seeing doctors and medicating myself and figure out what's going on. Your son is rolling his eyes at you right now because your son famously, I'm always chasing after your son, stay after your father because he's rolling his eyes at you because of how hard it is to get you to take care of yourself. Look, you've gotten better about this. I'll give you that, but you're not a hypochondriac. You're going to the far end of the spectrum. Like you're now every

single thing I go into the like, mom is still having to be like, oh, you're coughing bad this week. Why don't you make an appointment? Like, I mean, Greg, he is right. Because hypochondriacs and AM1, they just show up to the doctor without an appointment. Can't get enough doctors. Can't get enough. Give me a reason to come back. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not quite there. I'm not quite that bad. But if I have a tickle on my throat

and I clear my throat, your mother wants me to get some more prednisone. You know, I don't want to like, doctors don't like to prescribe steroids. Well, that's the issue is that your fix for this is a steroid. Well, that prednisone's my magic drug. That's not a long-term solution, though,

is what I've always argued. You're right, it isn't. It helps when I'm taking the pills and a few days after that but You're right. It isn't and but that's why I puff inhalers and take other pills, you know I mean it is what it is. You know, I'm 70 years old. I have asthma mild COPD and I'm doing the best I can. Can you rub the prednisone on your arms? and I'm doing the best I can. Can you rub the prednisone on your arms?

Since this is a magic pill. Is it? Can someone explain to me why it is, any of us ever say it is what it is, like just as an expression? I don't know, but I hate it so much. It drives me crazy. I hate when I say it,

and when I say it I get mad at myself. But sometimes it is what it is, right? Roy loves this one, but as a signature catchphrase, it stinks, it doesn't mean anything, and I don't know why it is anyone would utter it. It's terrible, it's thought terminating. You say it is what it is and like, yeah, it is. But it's because you don't have anything to say.

It's a bridge to other thoughts. It's not a useful commentary, it's a waste of breath. Well, you mentioned earlier the phrase, time will tell. It's in that similar category. Well I objected to that too when Billy said it. Just in terms of useless commentary. I'd like useful commentary. I've got plenty of useless commentary. So time will tell and it is what it is. It's just not helpful. I mean time will tell. You want me to do go game by game in the Maryland schedule? Tell you how the manager's going to do? We don't

even know who's on what teams yet. Free agency is going on now. I can do the game by game. You wanna do game by game for the Moreland season? We're gonna get to Strugats's weekend observations here in a second. I did wanna ask you guys though because you guys rose up on me last week when I probably got carried away and I said that Cam Ward had lost the Heisman

because he doesn't have enough Heisman moments. And what I wanted to ask you because I saw it revealed to me on Saturday, Fox goes to its studio and they go to a manual at show. This, God, this made me laugh out loud when they did it. So it's the at show room and he's gonna be maximum televised at show. And for some reason, they're playing the highlight package of Travis Hunter, who had three plays in that Colorado game

that are the kinds of plays that you need to win this trophy, plays that are played over and over again. But they go to Emmanuel Ocho, and all they're going to him on is to cover those three plays, which are being played under his feet. Like, it's not being played on the screen behind him. It's just to show you that they have the technological capacity to show you Travis Hunter running around on the floor

beneath Acho's feet as he points right and left to where the plays are going. But it was simply for Fox to show you that they have the technology to do this with the floor, which is exactly how it is you end up getting the kind of pub that you need so that everyone is noticing your big plays in a way that they haven't had

signature memorable plays for Cam Ward. Fox also trotted out a hologram Tom Brady during their pre-game show. What? Creepy. That everybody apparently didn't like. Hmm. Imagine. Tell me more. He was standing next to the guys in studio,

but he wasn't actually standing there. It was a hologram of Tom Brady, and they would talk about it, and they would talk to the hologram. They're like facing each other. You see Gronk looking this way. But real Tom Brady is somewhere else talking back? Right.

He's where they're, he's broadcasting the game of the day. So imagine explaining to Gronk, look to your left as if Tom Brady was there, but he's not and you're talking to him. We're getting carried away, aren't we? I mean, it's cool. It's getting people talking.

I mean, change up studio production. We are no longer criticizing Tom Brady as a broadcaster. He can now just sort of ease into being $375 million guy. I think they're pretty much really doing that week to week on the social media front. I know Mad Dog Russo had a take out of him. It hasn't gone the way that we'd hoped. He's had some bright moments, but this is also a really kooky dynamic that he has over there. It might actually lead to harsher criticism, and hopefully it gets a little bit more comfortable because he's not interfacing

with these people when he's calling these games because he's a part owner of the Raiders. It's not going great. I thought it was gonna be a lot better. I think I have to capitulate on this one. He just got to tighten it up. He just goes too long. He's always talking and it's like, okay, you're doing well, just stop. And he just goes, oh, is that like five seconds too much? Five or six seconds too much. We got it, we got it. He was trying to save time.

Yeah, you were. Take a note, Tom Brady. What Brady needs to do. Tom Brady is getting panned, but I thought it was a lot quieter than it was after game one. Like, we're gonna complain on whoever the broadcaster is. We're not giving a whole lot of praise

to anybody these days for broadcasting. We didn't complain about Olson, did we? No, but he's not the one that's getting the praise now because he's not on the main game and there were no expectations for Olson. He was an unexpected surprise. I've told you one of the great theater experiences of my life, movie theater, was The Matrix,

because I don't like Keanu Reeves and I don't like science fiction. So I go in and I see The Matrix and I'm like, whoa, I didn't expect anything. Nobody expected anything from Greg Olson and he was able to consistently surprise us. Tom Brady walks in, $375 million, it's all we're talking about before he started.

The expectations are totally different. The expectation of excellence is a crippler, but I thought the criticism had been diluted. It doesn't mean there's not going to be criticism. I just thought it was worse on week one than it's been since, that he's since become a bit of an afterthought. It's not one of the main talking points of the weekend

that Tom Brady is less good at his job than you'd like him to be. It was up there with the Russo thing and I think most people generally have what the same complaint that Chris has is he's talking too much. My criticism is he's not leaning on his own personal experience all that much and not becoming really a storyteller because if you're not gonna have inside access in these rooms if you're not meeting with a coach I just want to hear Tom Brady's true thoughts. And he just had those moments like with Baker Mayfield, they were essentially beefing on air because they didn't have the opportunity to clear the air face to face. And when he was also calling

Baker Mayfield on that boaster play saying that's the greatest play I've ever seen a quarterback make. These are where Tom Brady speaks with authority. I wish he would be encouraged to do that more. Mike is so right about that because Tom Brady has been in every possible situation, a quarterback whose game he's calling is going through at that time. And he never draws on those past experiences to explain to the audience, this is what the quarterback is thinking. This is what I went through.

And this is what you need to do. He needs to do more of that and he needs to just relax. He is very stiff in there. He just seems stiff. He seems nervous. So why didn't you like Keanu Reeves? Yeah. Just wasn't a fan of his work. Like Johnny Mnemonic? Just wasn't a big fan of Keanu. None of them. Like didn't love the Bill and Ted stuff, didn't love any of it.

I rewatched Bram Soker's Dracula. His hair color changes the camera shot to camera shot. Sometimes it's white hair, sometimes, what is happening there? Sometimes it's brown, sometimes it's salt and pepper, sometimes it's just straight up white. You say what is happening there, and I ask that question of the San Francisco 49ers

because you mentioned Bossa and that play with Baker Mayfield very quietly yesterday under the avalanche of everything that happened in football. A team we believe to be playoff good. San Francisco 49ers take a hit yesterday and it was funny to see them lose against Seattle at home. As soon as Bosa left the game, Geno Smith two touchdowns. Like Bosa leaves the game with a hip injury and it's like, oh, there goes their pass rush and there goes everything.

They just lost because they can't stop Geno Smith from any angle, they can't get a pass rush and they just lost to Seattle at home when none of us think that that's what the San Francisco 49ers season's supposed to be. Seattle is confusing, huh? Not really. Really?

No, they'll be 500 with Geno Smith and they'll come close to leading the league in passing and you won't win anything. The Lions are going to win the Super Bowl. The Lions have to win the Super Bowl this year. They added a game, you can't go 500 more. I'm just saying, they'll be a medium. Which is stupid. Ty, you can't.

That's true, good point. What are we doing with odd numbers? I don't worry. Oh, that's true. Good point. What are we doing with odd numbers? I don't like it. Sturgats's beloved Ty. The NFC West, by the way, is still very much up for grabs. Even after yesterday's game, they're still only a game out of first place. I also happen to think it's actually really good.

They're just beating each other up. So the general impression of the division as a whole is not probably where it should be. Hey, podcasters, it's Mike Ryan. And let me tell you something, the NBA's got a lot going for it right now. Bright young stars hitting the court, teams playing exciting brands of basketball, and celebrities everywhere you look court side.

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It's a it's a nice day for me so far still guts That sounds like a not a super nice night the debate all people love that shit. Yeah That's exactly right, yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. Old people do love that shit. And I'm old now, I can't deny it anymore. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the StuGards. We will get to StuGards' weekend observations in a second, but from among the football things from the weekend, because we haven't gotten to college football yet, there were two things

from that Titans game that were worth talking about. One of them is that they had the longest play in the sport this year, 98 yards. The other one was, this bothered me. The Titans are on defense. The Vikings have fourth and goal and they throw into the end zone. And the ball is broken up by what has been throughout my entire lifetime a perfectly legal hit

right in the chest. And a flag comes out and then it puts it, goal line situation first down. It's just a really damaging penalty to get wrong. It's worth way too much in a sport where the points are hard to come by and it's hard to score against Minnesota. And I end up getting bothered

because I legitimately don't know anymore what is a legal hit in football because if you hit someone too hard I'm like that's a penalty even when you hit them with your shoulder in the chest which is what happened like they accused him of launching and a bunch of other different things I'm like no that's just it like that's a hit you're allowed to hit somebody in the chest with your shoulder it's not the sport is too violent that you're going to change the way that this game is recorded because you're making a call that is so punitive on something

that doesn't seem to be the right call and what you're penalizing. That looked too violent on television. That's what you're penalizing. It's no longer that you're actually penalizing football. It's just that looked bad is what it was. And I guess we're now protecting sternums. football is just that looked bad is what it was. And I guess we're now protecting sternums. And when I'm watching that, given how hard it is to get points in that game, given that

it seems like everyone's playing in a phone booth even though that game had a 98 yard play, Will Leves is running around out there trying to kill himself to not score. Like they're not scoring against Minnesota. So if Minnesota, if you give Minnesota free points, you're not going to be able to be in that game if you're Tennessee. And I'm just wondering if you guys are watching any of this and being like, this isn't even being like, you know, I understand how you have to make the game safer. I understand the moral conundrums involved with the general violence of the game. But once you've gotten to the point that you can't hit someone in a way that looks like it hurts without being penalized, I'm like, you're no longer legislating football.

You're just doing PR. Yeah. I would argue that there's an overprotection of the quarterback right now and that there's also an inconsistency on what and what isn't unnecessary roughness. I saw a play yesterday where the defender shoves the quarterback in the chest. And the quarterback, theatrically, I thought,

falls backwards on the back. You have to sell it now because you know they're going to call it. Or there's a chance they're going to call it. And that was a flag. And I didn't think it should have been i thought it was a show it was a what seemed like a pretty pretty mild shove to the chest the the quarterback didn't have to fall but the flag flew and i think that's an example of over protecting the quarterback yeah dan there's

also like in in the non-quarterback category this happened in a play in a Steelers game a few weeks ago where Minka Fitzpatrick got flagged for the same sort of hit you're talking about where it was a really, really like bone crushing hard hit, but it was legal. And so I think it was against the Colts. They got 15 yards, ended up scoring, won the game by like three points. And afterwards the refs said that that was an incorrect call and it was actually, it shouldn't have been penalized. And so like just from watching football all weekend, like the Pitt-Clumson game on Saturday, there was inconsistencies with the roughing the passer call

where Kade Klubnick got roughed and they called it on Pitt, and then like a few plays later, Pitt's quarterback had a massive shot to the helmet that they didn't call initially, and then eventually the refs did call it after everyone booed them for five minutes. It was just a disaster. The Notre Dame-Virginia game had a ton of bad calls in it.

The officiating, I don't know what to say about it other than it is wildly inconsistent. It's frustrating as a fan, especially when there's points being put on the board because of calls like this in late game situations. And I just don't know what else there is to say other than it stinks sometimes. I keep saying forms of the following though the reason it's wildly inconsistent

it can't humanly be done consistently it's moving too fast like we can put all four all sorts of stipulations in there you know what you could do if something is too punitive to be game altering were always reviewing that we don't care if it's right slows up the game you can have something go from fourth and short you've turned over the ball to that seven points because of what you just called uh... you should review that until you get that right like there's no

circumstance under which a penalty should be that punitive where it's worth more than all the other things in a sport We're watching where we're like. Oh look the Ravens and the Steelers are trying to kill each other What's the difference in that game? The kicker can't make a couple of kicks these calls are worth too much to do it poorly And you're trying to govern something that simply can't be governed consistently It's not a problem if these people aren't competent or they're not putting in enough hours.

All of that shit's moving too fast for old human beings to be able to get everything right. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I sort of empathize with having to make those split second decisions, but I don't know what the solution is because I do think people care about the game being slowed down a lot.

People hate reviews, especially if you're at a game and you're wasting three minutes on a total slowdown It kills the momentum it kills the fun Like it no one wants to see football games get even longer because of long slow reviews after just but it's an either-or Situation though you get one not both sports fan. You either get your sport properly officiated or you deal with longer games You don't get to have both of those things i'll take the longer games with them getting it right yet the vikings yesterday home uh... i did not have a lot of time on vikings title i know it was just when it was that they were in the red zone twice

but one was a ninety eight yard play in the other time was i'm looking at all like that's not right that's not you can't do that and did anyone else have trouble with the glitchiness of the red zone i saw a ton of complaints about it I'm like, that's not right. That's not, you can't do that. And did anyone else have trouble with the glitchiness of the red zone? I saw a ton of complaints about it, but no one here had glitchiness with the red zone? Put it on the poll please, at Levitard Show. Was your red zone glitchy this weekend?

Because this weekend reminded me with the technological issues of the advent of people getting addicted to the cell phone before the cell towers had totally the technology that they needed. So calls were always breaking up, but we had already gotten used to this is something that we do in the car. So it needs to work. So we complain about the cell towers. This weekend, you notice what the danger is in live sports because think of the reason I saw a lot of complaints is man you make it glitchy during the witching hour You're messing with people's addictions now. You're you're you're now invading the where winds turn the losses the

Entertainment being diluted there is not allowed because you've gotten too used to consuming it without dilution so When when you tune in to Jake Paul and Tyson and you getering, or where you turn into the red zone and you get buffering, people get angrier about that than any other kind of buffering. There is a commercial that airs occasionally when I'm watching games on YouTube TV, and I have an Android TV, and the commercial,

in the commercial itself, the actor goes, hey Google. And that automatically sets off my remote, and it pauses the entire thing. I'm doing it to someone else right now and I apologize. But I feel like this should have been considered when we put this ad out there because you have a solid chunk, I imagine like 30% of the people watching that in that moment all of a sudden have to pause and tell their TV, no that wasn't me, I didn't mean to do that. I'm confused though, when you guys talk about boxing you always talk about buffer this,

buffer that. But then when Netflix buffers you don't like buffer anymore. You know what I love on YouTube is the moment of silence. Oh, it's the best. It is unbelievable. It is so good. Yes, I'll skip that ad. Oh, Valhalla.

Mike, is there anyone in our audience whose wife is named Siri who has this problem? No, but maybe there's some Alexas over there. Yeah. I've said the word Alexa in my kitchen and you know, the person, Alexa answers me. I didn't even mean her. Why were you saying Alexa? Just for fun?

Well, it happened once. My wife and I were discussing Billy Joel. Yes. And he's got a song, I think it's about his daughter and Alexa's in the title. So I'm saying to my wife, what's that Billy Joel song about his daughter Alexa? And then over there, disembodied voices going, may I help you or something? No, that's happened to me too.

I'm having a discussion with my wife in my room and it's a serious discussion. And then it's like moving out by Billy Joel. I don't have access to that right now. What are you talking about? We weren't talking. Chris Cody, on Thursday night, if people want a riveting conversation like this

over nachos and... Rib rolls. Rib rolls and chicken wings, do you have a favorite Flanagan's item, Billy? Is there one item among all the items that you like more than the others? How can you pick just one? So many good options.

The cup. The cup is good, the wings are good, the ribs are good, it's all good. We're doing this on Thursday night. The Steelers bring their culture of violence to the Browns. I fully expected someone to pull out a samurai sword during that Ravens-Steelers game. Thursday night's a Steelers trap game, Dan.

We should do custom Levitard show flan against cups. Oh, with my face on them? Two days notice. Yeah. I mean, we don't have to do it now, but we could do it. That's on point. We should. Put my face where Flanagan's face is?

Greg kind of looks like Flanagan's. I've been told that. Have you? Yeah, Joe Flanagan. Probably Joe. I have. Jeffrey Llorio. You know, I look like all kind of people.

You do look like Jeffrey. Yeah. Zeleg, everywhere. Are you going Thursday night? I had not planned on it. Yeah. Which is not the same as saying no or yes. What if I told you the Browns were playing? Then I definitely would not go. It's right by your house. It's in North Miami Beach. Yeah, it's such a quick hike. You know, can I say one thing about the Pittsburgh Baltimore rivalry? Yeah. The only good rivalry in the NFL. That's like can i say one thing about the pittsburgh baltimore rivalry the only good rivalry in the nfl that's the one thing that called football does better as rivalries

when i think of an nfl rivalry i start and stop with baltimore pittsburgh what's the second best i mean there a lot inside of divisions there are many on the rivals as cowboys is pretty good when they're going to packers own the Bears so. Well but is the owning the part of it because the Steelers have owned the Ravens it's a weird damn right it's a weird thing they get no credit they've won over the last four years think about what I'm about to say here over the last four years one of the teams has the MVP and that team has lost eight of the nine games it has played.

Like that's not how that one usually goes. And if you look at those nine games right, eight one disparity, every one of them is close and every one of them is like a 1917 score. It's amazing. I'm not even lying. Look up all the same game. Well this this one's Ravens This one's Brown Steelers. No, so no Ravens So it's probably gonna be a bit of a different match up one culture of violence But Kaderius Tony is there and that's been pretty fun. He almost scored yesterday Granted he finished the game with negative seven yards, but he did almost score You had to watch it to make sense of it But again come out join us this Thursday night Flanagan's in North Miami Beach

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