The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: A Live "Behind The Bit?"

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

The crew checks out another "Behind the Bit" from the history of the show, this time on the Dirty Demon of Debate and the Angel of Nuance. Did we... cancel the Dirty Demon? Then, speaking of debate, L...eBron James quotes from media day had Stephen A. Smith fired up. Plus, Dan actually believes what he's saying on this show, the Useless Sound Montage, continued casting of the Don Le Batard Show Movie, and the Gasbag of the Week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Terms and conditions apply. This is the Don Leventor Show with the Stugatz Podcast. This episode of The Dan Lebatard Show with Stugatz is presented by Smirnoff. We do game days. Drink responsibly. The Smirnoff Company, New York, New York. Something that we're doing around here as part of our 20th anniversary celebration is a nostalgic behind the bit where we go back in time and hyper examine and dig into the roots of a popular thing
Starting point is 00:01:52 that has been done around here for 20 years. I don't remember how the angel of nuance and the demon of debate started. Do you Billy, do you remember where and how it started? I don't, exactly. And I was part of it. You were the angel of nuance? I was, and I used to fly, I had fake wings,
Starting point is 00:02:10 remember that with my hands, those were supposed to be wings, and I'd fly off and I'd just go, hi, bitch boys, and I'd really just say nothing at all, because, Dan, that was the whole bit. We'll get to behind the bit, but that was the bit. The dirty demon of debate. Don't give it away. Yeah, had a lot of hot takes, and the angel did not. That's right, that was the bit.
Starting point is 00:02:26 The Dirty Demon of Debate loved first take. But as we were doing these behind the bits, I'm with Billy, like I struggled, I think you did too. I struggled to remember how we came upon certain bits. Well, most stuff is unorganized around here and just emerges when we're in the middle of it. Well, it was all like, the questions were very much like, so do you remember exactly what led to this bet
Starting point is 00:02:46 and this punishment? I was like, no, it was like 15 years ago. I don't remember what I had for breakfast. We do a daily show, five days a week. It's a lot, right? I mean, it's nostalgic. It's just, did you have any difficulty remembering the details for a lot of this?
Starting point is 00:03:02 I'm not making this up when I say I get home and Valerie will say, how did the show go? What'd you talk about? I'm like, I have no idea. It moves fast. It was good. How's work? It was work.
Starting point is 00:03:13 We did it and now we're done. Behind the bit though was something that is meant to bring out memorable stuff that we've done in the past. And so we do dig around in the bucket here. Let's hear, if not how it began, because no one can remember. Let's get nostalgic about the demon of debate
Starting point is 00:03:31 going up against the angel of nuance. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. A very serious retrospective on some of your favorite Dan Leventhaler show with Stu Gott's bits. ["Stupid Bits"] on some of your favorite Dan Leventar show with Stu Gott's bits. How did this demon character come to be? I'm not super sure on the origins other than we really like to make fun of debate television.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Michael Jordan, when Michael Jordan came back- You don't understand that? When Michael Jordan came back to the Bulls and they had added Tony Kuko, who was like the best- From playing baseball? From playing baseball? Yes. Compared to what was going on on ESPN, our show kind of stuck out. There were times that I used to have to like, I had wings with my hands and then I'd
Starting point is 00:04:15 sometimes would fly out of the screen. And all of this is on ESPN. So strange. And also just a device to integrate video because that was a new toy for us back then. Radian Belichick are the most successful coach player duo probably since Bill Russell and Red Arbok. Incredible. The hell are you seeing? Pick a damn side. the longevity in such a physical sport it's so impossible to do over such a long period of time. Now do you know how to do it? How did you end up playing the angel of nuance? It wasn't planned it just kind of happened one day where all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:05:17 there was a devil sitting in front of me and the devil was screaming about sports and forcing them to make decisions and really argue with each other. And I felt like, you know, we just need a little, a little unity, a little peace in our lives. So I became this angel character that really never actually said anything, never had an opinion on anything,
Starting point is 00:05:40 never really had a thought, just kind of wanted everybody to have a good time. Never wanted a team to win or lose lose just as long as everyone had fun I was the angels mission audio is my favorite medium because You have this amazing canvas in your mind and the demon even though he's been very vivid in the past about how many nipples and claws And talons and hooks it that he has. I've lost track. You can put yourself there. Look at me.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Look at the center one, right at the center of my skull. The center of four eyes. The center of four eyes. The center of four eyes. They line up directly with my nipples. All six nipples. Look at my four eyes and my six nipples in the middle. All of them at the same time and tell me what's better.
Starting point is 00:06:27 How'd you feel about the Angel of Nuance? I love the Angel of Nuance. And when the Angel of Nuance integrated itself into the Dirty Demon, it happened very organically to the point that I didn't really have imaging for it at first. And if you've ever watched the segments, the Dirty Demon of Debate,
Starting point is 00:06:46 whenever the Angel of Nuance chimes in, I'm usually left scrambling because I'm also in character, but also running the board and they're off of two different pods. I personally love the Angel of Nuance injecting itself into things, but it was from a technical standpoint, very tricky to do all those things
Starting point is 00:07:06 and spin all those plates at once while maintaining character and making sure it didn't sound like absolute dog shit. But outside of that, the audience really liked it and it became synonymous with the bit. Why can't we just be satisfied saying that they're all in the top 500? There's 449 players on the opening day roster this year, Dan. A couple people came in and out, so let's just say these are the top 500 best basketball players in the world. Okay, very good.
Starting point is 00:07:34 We need to do some work on your entrance though. Like it's very clunky and we're just sitting there waiting around for your angel of nuance music and you're not really nuanced, you're just agreeable. How did Mina feel about the demon's crush on her? I think I was more uncomfortable with it than Mina. He's new there. His responsibility is to punish players when they do bad things, to hold them accountable,
Starting point is 00:07:57 not to prevent them. That is on the players. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Millennials! Whoa! Get out of the way, what's up, Ma? How you doing? That was nice.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Nice and hot, it's already pretty hot down here. Ha ha ha! Oh my God! Is your daddy a drug dealer, girl? Cause you dope. Look at what you lured out. I like what I'm hearing. I've never seen the romantic side
Starting point is 00:08:29 of the dirty demon of debate. That's exactly how I imagined it. Maybe your eyes are the color of the ocean and not lost in sea. This is the most uncomfortable I've been. Hang on. Let me get my cell phone out. I wanna show my mom a picture of my next girlfriend.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Oh, make it stop. It's match.com, baby, the dirty demon of debate. Yes. Give me another one of them too. Give me another one. Oh, you're being very pushy. And then you number ma. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:00 That one comes to me. I don't know if I could pull that off these days and I didn't really warn Mina that was coming. I think Mina had never really heard the character before and then the demon just so happened to have the hots for Mina Kimes and that became canon. I mean it was still plenty awkward in the time that we conceived it. I'm talking about it like it was in 1994. No, it was still like at a time where it was pretty taboo to have a demon openly hit on a now Emmy nominated
Starting point is 00:09:32 studio analyst. I think Mina liked it. I think a lot of bad people say that about people they've victimized in the past. The dirty demon wasn't subject to compliance training. The demon had a crush on Mina Kimes. I would think, I mean, I would think that Mina, I don't know, I don't, if the devil had a crush on me,
Starting point is 00:09:53 would I like it? I don't think so. Would you ever want to do this bit again? Or should it go to heaven? No, I'd like being the angel again. I have to figure out a new way to fly and a new flight pattern, but I'd be the angel again. I have to figure out a new way to fly and a new flight pattern, but I'd be the angel again. The demon's just a messy piece of a messier piece
Starting point is 00:10:11 that is one big mess. You are not nuanced. I don't understand all the difficulties you have with nuance. We can't all be granted everything, Dan. Is this good radio? No. I love these behind the bits because they give you a look back six, seven, eight years from where we are today.
Starting point is 00:10:30 And Billy is wearing the same exact hat that he was six, seven, eight years ago, whenever that was. You remember when that was with you guys? I don't. I was wearing the same hat, and I almost put on that hoodie today. Oh. The Marlin's the Marlin hoodie? Yeah, but Skip skip is in town and I was like, I don't know Dressed up for skip?
Starting point is 00:10:49 Well, not really me, but it just didn't wear, you know, 20 year old hoodie. Thank you Billy. I do appreciate that You know right before Dan we were talking and talking about doing these things and I told you and Stu got privately I was like, I don't think I sat down to talk about this bit Like I don't think they interviewed me for this because I just don't remember even sitting down for this piece that just aired. So let alone not remembering the origins of Angel of Nuance, you don't even remember talking to them about the origin.
Starting point is 00:11:16 I don't remember talking to them about it. Should I see someone? I believe that everyone around here is- You're the star. Doing too much and therefore some of the things are falling in the crevices We talked about Stugatsa's voice aging horribly, your voice aging a lot more gently Mina's voice has also aged Have you guys noticed back then, Mina was excited and very hyper to talk
Starting point is 00:11:41 And now when Mina comes on, watched, is she coming on this week? She's really cool. She's more relaxed. She's too cool for you guys and your stupid questions. Jaded Daniels. Yeah. I think Mike canceled the dirty demon debate like halfway through. Got like an expose on something.
Starting point is 00:11:56 I was like, whoa, this is weird. What happened? I still have no idea how it started though. I mean, no one does. When I'm doing those things, I just talk until something good comes out. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Until I remember doing those things, I just talk until something good comes out. That's it. Yep, that's it.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Until I remember something. They'll clean up and editing, yeah. I'm with Tony on this one. Where did this scandal, this Me Too scandal around the Dirty Diggly? Quietly, we quietly put it in a dustpan and maybe people didn't notice that Stugatz's Hot Take Diva disappeared
Starting point is 00:12:23 from one day to the next. And I learned like three years later that that was something that was only meant for him to have a belly and lipstick on and that disappeared and nobody told me and then I found out three years later. It was canceled? Well, quietly, unbeknownst to me, it was canceled. Bring it back or?
Starting point is 00:12:39 No, that idea. So I saw on there on, behind the the bit I saw that they put in the graphics an example of Yelly Sports TV what Yelly Sports TV is and I want to play for a mean an example of this because I think we can all agree that LeBron James whatever you think of him in terms of historical ranking, is an amazing basketball player. We can get consensus there, no disagreement there, and also that what he's doing at this age is amazing. And I just want to play for a mean Stephen A. Smith's reaction to LeBron James saying, yeah, I'm pretty
Starting point is 00:13:21 good at 40 years old, the oldest player in the league uh... because i think that steven a's reaction is so outsized and so cartoonish as to render it assemble for what it is that we're doing in the modern age in terms of not being able to celebrate really historic greatness uh... artists being artistic because we're too busy yelling about them at my age in the miles that i have and to be able to play at the level i played at
Starting point is 00:13:49 uh... and uh... they gave me like okay even more like a sense of okay i do have a lot of tank a lot and and i can help uh... uh... a big part of a team wind ultimately whatever if his goal or physical area branch or feel whatever the case may is Maybe I can still get it done
Starting point is 00:14:09 LeBron James, what's up, bro? Are the Lakers gonna win? Oh, you gonna be relevant You're gonna get bounced out in five games in the first round You're gonna get sweat whenever you see Yoke it's in the facility and you ain't got step in the crew to help you out We get when he's gonna get serving what you're gonna do. That's the point don't change the narrative Don't let him change that I'm in the best shape and I feel like I can do everybody know how great he is Everybody knows the champion everybody knows the phenomenal shape We've got we even chronicled how much money he spends on his body a million and a half last time We check more than you say more than you say Chronicle how much money he spends on his body. A million and a half. Last time we checked. More than you, Shay.
Starting point is 00:14:46 More than you, Shay. But it don't matter. At the end of the day, he got to show up. And are the Lakers going to be relevant? That's the damn narrative. This ain't as the Lakers turn. This ain't no damn soap opera. Handle your business.
Starting point is 00:15:01 We want to see you win basketball games and go deep into the players. That's the subject matter Don't change it. Don't change it Marcus Spears looks so concerned. Is that Saturday in there for some reason? Yes. Yeah, just out of having fun, but Spears and Shannon sharp both look like they're walking past a man being taken away in a straightjacket. They're like that poor guy He finally cracked. He's right though. Don't you guys think that it's corrosive, the need to have the priority be
Starting point is 00:15:33 just the making of television? That the thing that's most important isn't what you're saying, just be cartoonish in the way that you deliver it. We just finished talking about how when we go home we have no idea what we talked about that day. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Agreed, but it doesn't feel like it's ever like this to me. But Stephen A is in the game of getting ratings. He's in the game of giving hot takes. I mean, he's doing a show called First Take. To be clear, you believe everything you say? Yeah, mostly. Oof. You're doing it wrong. Well, no, that's how you do it and it's why the whole thing works. I'm the? Yeah, mostly. Oof. You're doing it wrong.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Well, no, that's how you do it, and it's why the whole thing works. I'm the straight man, Billy. Perhaps you haven't realized how it is that you get to be the guy that you are who doesn't believe anything he says. Behind the bit. It's a lie behind the bit that we're doing right now. Dan, maybe that's the problem is that we are all doing that, and you can't fathom doing that because we've had to do it for you. That is correct. While we played a straight man. Man, it's hard.
Starting point is 00:16:27 It's hard being goofy all the time. So Dan is the guy in the straight jacket? Ain't that the truth, sister? Made, placed in the straight jacket by the fact that I'm sitting there talking to David Sampson and he blows a Latin mist in my face and I don't know what to do with it. Yes. Got your ass on that one.
Starting point is 00:16:43 He really did. He did, yeah. I've rarely. First time I've heard with it. Got your ass on that one. He really did. He did, yeah. I've rarely... First time I've heard you speechless. I have rarely been that startled. It's just a bunch of gibberish in Latin that I had nothing for. I put my sword down to feed it. It is an amazing distraction technique.
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Starting point is 00:21:10 When your defense holds on the 10 you gotta win the game 100% of the time. We'll look at the tape and try to improve on that. You gotta look at yourself in the mirror first and I'm myself in the mirror first. I changed my pants at halftime. I didn't play good enough. That's what it comes down to. The opportunities. Well ultimately't play good enough. That's what it comes down to. The opportunities. But ultimately it starts with me. Who has it better than us?
Starting point is 00:21:29 No body! Thanks, Dad. Guys just never flinched and blinked. I appreciate his fight, but he and we were a little bit sloppy at times. Too sloppy to comfortably secure victory. And the good news about it is, we got another Pro Bowl quarterback, man.
Starting point is 00:21:47 So that's the least of my worries, man. Shrink up the band, baby. It's gonna be fun tonight. Offensively, the turnovers, we don't have a team that can lose the turnover battle and expect to win a football game. Honestly, we're not good enough to be able to hurt our, play against ourselves in the defense.
Starting point is 00:22:00 The guys rose up to the occasion, and then we honored the football. What I'm not gonna do is ride the emotional roller coaster that this season will take you on. Really for me man, stats are for losers man, I don't get involved in that stuff. As coaches we can't make, we can't go out there and make the plays right, it's a two-way street. Quick shout out to the big guys. We know it's possible, we know what we're capable of, but we got a long way to go and we got a lot of work to do. They were playing that song about you swag and
Starting point is 00:22:23 surf and the whole stadium was moving and I looked around I was like this is pretty sweet. There was a try week to be honest right there's a lot of hoopla stuff. They kicked our butt. He told me his mom is eight days older than I am so there's no chance in the world that he thinks I'm cool. It's like we're not playing our best football but we're winning football games and that's a big credit to our defense it's a big credit to guys stepping up offensively in second halves. And I'm just, I'm glad we're getting wins and we'll keep building and try to keep getting better.
Starting point is 00:22:49 First we had to stop kicking our own butt. Whether or not we're good enough to handle all the, or ready to handle all the kids. It's one way to do it, the other way is hold them accountable. I mean, we haven't had an issue, we've had one false start. We wanted to start fast, it's easier said than done done but they came out and they started off real fast they were crisp they were clicking and you know they got some early lead. As I mentioned I'm appreciative of the fight but I'm not congratulating them for it that's
Starting point is 00:23:15 the business that we're in. It is. You can't yeah losing is not something you ever want. And whatever, yeah, I don't like to lose. We have, I would say generally around here, an accountability problem, but do any of you actually ever take a good, long, hard look in the mirror? Do any of you actually do that? I've done it before, yeah, I have.
Starting point is 00:23:44 And? Nothing. I would think that your appraisal wouldn't be, I would think that you wouldn't love whatever it is that aging has done to you in the mirror. I tend to not stay in mirrors very long. I try to avoid them at this point. Quick peek and keep it moving. Yeah, sneak a peek.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Well, what about when you're like flossing and you're doing like your nighttime routine, you wash your face, you kind of check things out. You don't look in the mirror? I'm trying not to make eye contact with the mirror. I'm avoiding, I spend a lot of time. The mirror doesn't lie. I spend a lot of time, right.
Starting point is 00:24:14 That is correct, yours does. I lie to my mirror. That's right, it lies right back. No, it tells me the truth, it does. Rick Pitino tries, but he never sees anything. Is there like Ice is not fading his head around you something's in the way I would love to know where it is that saying started where someone said that the way to appraise
Starting point is 00:24:35 How it is that you need to look at things most honestly is by looking straight into the mirror and do it for a good long Hard time Michael Jackson man in the mirror, that's where it started. He's right. Chris Cody, thank you Billy, I appreciate you always saying what you mean. I'm on it, Dan. Chris, do you have Gas Bag of the Week, please? I do, and it's very exciting, Dan,
Starting point is 00:24:58 because I'm not gonna make the announcement this week. In weeks past, I would say who it was and then I'd play a clip, but this week, the Gas Bag of the Week will be delivered to us by Christopher Mintz-Plasse. He's McLovin, and he's at some sort of con, some fan expose, and he's asked about being referred to constantly, and you'll hear in here
Starting point is 00:25:17 who our Gas Bag of the Week by who he mentions when he's talking about just constantly being called McLovin. I'm getting a little more someone screaming McLovin. I have felt bad about that since it happened. So Dan, you are the... Gas bag of the week. Congratulations, man. I deserve that.
Starting point is 00:26:09 I don't think it's really the spirit of what Gas Bag of the Week is supposed to be, but I deserve that and whatever shame comes eternally from having done that. To be fair, Dan was Gas Bag of the Week back when that interview was done, not this week. It's this week, though. But this is the week that we're doing Gas Bag of the Week. Gas Bag of the Week.
Starting point is 00:26:32 The worst part Dan is you have an embarrassing moment like that. Christopher Minceplast is a very accomplished actor. He's been in a lot of funny things. He's McLovin though if we're being real. To me I always think of him as role models. Augie enrolls role models. But the thing I think about is if I had that kind of moment, I'm like, well, that guy's never gonna remember. He did the car wash, he did a million shows that week. He'll never remember my name. Nope.
Starting point is 00:26:57 I feel bad about it. I felt bad about it when it happened. I felt bad about it when he called me out about it. And I feel bad about it now that you've made me the gas bag of the week. It's an honor. And he's mentioning it in conferences. Well, it can be an honor, but not when you're ashamed of what you actually did. Well, I mean, that's on you. Agreed. I'm taking a good, hard look in the mirror.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Also, do you guys think this jeopardizes our plans to cast him as David Samp in the dawn of a toaster Gives him another option for a character that people can scream out Samson I mean is that better though that is better not around these parts Did you guys find somebody that you agreed on should be playing Samson because him saying toby maguire is one of the least Self-aware things I've ever heard No, but we all agreed Chris Cody, the Sandlot guy, he's that, we all agree we're casting him.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Name your price, sir, you are our man. He hasn't aged as well, though. Do we have any others that we are casting in the Don Lebatard show with Daniel Day? Patrick Renna, sorry, I couldn't think of his name. Thank you. You got it. Do we have anyone else that we're casting?
Starting point is 00:28:09 Who are we casting as Amin? Be careful here. Amin? No, he should choose his own, right? Denzel. He should, he should. The passport. You like that one, right?
Starting point is 00:28:19 I'll just pass it all over. Amin? You threw it over there with a question mark because you're like, yeah, I don't want this. Amin, you go ahead and take the... Little hot potato. A little screen pass inside here. No, I've never heard Amin's name said with a question mark before. Because you're not allowing us to mock him by just throwing the ball right back to him.
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