The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: All You Other Barack Obamas Are Just Imitating

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Hey...basketball started last night! Amin Elhassan and Charlotte Wilder join us from Boston after attending last night's Celtics-Knicks game. They chat with Dan, Stu, and the Shipping Container about the excellence of the Celtics, why the Knicks are discouraged, and Ray Allen's connection to Boston vs. Miami. We also take a look at a moment between Charlotte and a Celtics fan outside the arena and learn why Amin has done this entire segment in his Obama voice. Then, are we allowed to enjoy the Bronny James debut? Do we have to be cynical about it? Can we enjoy LeBron's love for his family? Do you believe he's a caring father? Is it all just a Nike commercial? Plus, why were the Celtics not respected for their obvious greatness? Are they just difficult to fall in love with? Check out Oddball with Amin and Charlotte every Monday-Thursday: https://open.spotify.com/show/3nFcQVrBuAK5xGwMtxzMLb?si=29c80ec7e72e4eea Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No purchase necessary. 21 plus ends November 15, 2024. See rules at website for participating area and other important details sponsored by Diageo Americas Inc. New York, New York. This is the Don Lebatore Show with the StuGuts Podcast. We have failed again as a show and not just because we played a mad dog highlight when I was talking about fascism. We've also failed because we have not.

That happened. That did happen. We have not talked That happened. That did happen. It did. We have not talked about basketball yet today. Jason Tatum has a line no Celtic has ever had, okay? Where he goes 37 points, 10 rebounds. He shoots 14 of 18, shoots 75% or better from the field. They are the most disrespected NBA champion in NBA history.

No one takes them seriously and they're really, really good. We'll get to that in a second they were the best team by far not even close all of last year and they don't get enough credit for that because they'd be the four seed in the final and uh... and everybody knows that it wasn't uh... you'll get you they wanted to be more satisfying regardless beyond that uh... lebron and brawny had father-son moments that billy has some objections to uh... one of them had a lot of cameras around it the prank of

lucky charms in the car there were an awful lot of cameras there uh... for whatever it is that was a nike commercial who and uh... beyond that stood out uh... you've got the celtics ray allen showed up again last night out of no where i thought those guys didn't get along so uh... charlotte is in boston amin is in boston they've got oddball it's returned it's every weekday but monday i think tnc went away to commercial during

the banners i think which they should have i hope that's what happened uh... what were your thoughts last night and thank you it's been a long time during the banners, I think, which they should have. I hope that's what happened. What were your thoughts last night? And thank you, it's been a long time, Charlotte, since we've seen you. I know, Dan, I'm thrilled to be back on the court with all the on-court action.

No, I mean, it was, yeah, good, it's a thumbs up. It was amazing to see the banner go up. Charlotte, what kind of return was that to our airwaves? Back on the court. Just stumbling around running in circles, inefficient with your commentary. I just know you enjoy it so much that I wanted to give you what you've been missing during the off season.

Thank you, we've missed you. Continue. No, it was, I mean, it was one of the, I've never seen a banner raising ceremony. Amin, had you seen it? No, never, never in person, and still not in person because I watched it for the media room. Yeah, Amin wasn't out there, but I was out there,

and it was really cool. I mean, I think it helped that it was the team that I root for. Stugats, I love hearing you say they're disrespected and they deserve more respect, but it was to see, I also got to hold the ring, which was pretty cool. Wow. Did you have to hold the actual ring?

Yeah, I did. When did this happen? When I think, when I was just, you know, palling around backstage, as I like to call the, the bowels of the stadium. Meanwhile, I was stuck in media dining. By the way, Dan, I gotta correct you on one thing. It's every day but Friday now. That's right. Wow. The new

season, new schedule, we work Mondays, we take Fridays off now. Okay I didn't know I wish someone had told me. You're part of the oddball as part of the network. I think I should get that right when I'm delivering the information on things we're promoting on our show as part of our network. The Celticseltics last night josh hart says we should drug test them and he's never seen anything like that in his life they come out and just bomb everybody with threes uh... more threes than we've seen in a game uh... please explain to me i mean why josh hart is saying that nix fans were crushed last night that lovable team that they love so much underdog

uh... hearten, offensive rebounds. Now it's attack Carl Anthony Towns. He's not gonna be able to defend without Gobert. Well, Dad, when you talk about Josh Hart, he feels discouraged, hungry and malnourished. And how could he not when the Celtics hit an NBA record three-pointers against them, or excuse me, tied an NBA record of three-pointers made,

and that's having missed the last 13 straight three-point attempts. They tried to break the record, and some folks across the aisle said, that ain't happening tonight. But if you're the New York Knicks, one of the big issues is chemistry, especially on the defense event,

where many of those three-point makes were wide openopen variety. I don't understand why you went Obama there for all of the analysis. Why did you do that? Because he's a big basketball fan, Dan. Haven't you heard? Because he's on Starting Five?

Because he's making documentaries with LeBron and Jimmy Butler? I'm sorry, Dan. I never meant to hurt you. I'm just telling you what happened in the game last night between the Knicks and the Celtics. Mike, how did you feel watching any of that as a Heat fan as the Celtics ran rough shot

over the entire league? And look at how radiant Charlotte is because- You have Mike watching that? You have me watching that? No thanks. I was locked in the Sens hockey club. That a boy? You were watching the Panthers lose by 100 goals?

It's gone all right, man. The world champion Panthers, too. Give a reigning champion some respect. Yeah. Thank you. Losing it all. No, I would never watch the Boston Celtics. I don't care.

They pay me to watch that. I mean, were you surprised to see Ray Allen out there with Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett? A little bit. I thought there was going to be a lot of venom, venom, venom in the building for him, but instead I said to myself, hey, Walter Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters of all time,

and there was nothing but love in the building for him. Charlotte, we saw them in the tunnel right before they came out with Larry O'Brien. Yeah, I tried really hard to get all of those guys to talk to me, and the best one, you'll like this Dan, Ray Allen was walking I think with his two kids and he was walking by me and I had a microphone in my hand and our wonderful producer Antonio had a camera

so it was pretty clear what I was trying to do and I sort of started approaching him and I said, hi Ray and he goes, hey and then just keeps on walking and I was like that is a real pro veteran move my friend Touche. He's got a pick a side already right like this whole Heat Celtics situation yeah he just keeps going back and forth to whoever wins most recently like pick a side where's your allegiance here am I wrong and saying that I mean don't the Celtics fans hate him for coming to the Heat? I thought that-

Like, Paul Pierce hates him. Paul Pierce was on our show saying that they still have issues and that Ray's not entirely welcome around them. I mean, have you not done any reporting around this soap opera stuff? They sat next to each other all night long, Dan. They sat in the back in the green room together.

They walked out together. They watched the whole game together. You know, you might say that Ray stood next to a burnt down house with a can full of gas and a handful of matches, and he still wasn't found out. And he's still out there, he's the culprit, but they love him. They couldn't figure it out. OK, I'm going to step in here as the resident obnoxious Celtics

fan. I forgot that Ray Allen had anything to do with the Heat, because I'm just Celtics brainwashed. And I and I was like I love that guy so I don't think people in Boston really care I'm gonna be honest unless I'm about to get yelled at by everybody else in Boston. They loved him. He did as much winning in Miami as he did in Boston. I don't know how you'd forget that. No Billy he did more. I don't think about the Heat that much you know. What do you mean he did more winning they each won one chance. He did more, you did more winning. I don't think about the heat that much, you know. What do you mean he did more winning? They each won one chance, oh, he did more winning in Miami. He won two here, yeah. He won two here, that's right.

One here? Well, you know, that's the way the cookie crumbles, Dan. Okay, that's not good analysis. It's great analysis. Guys, let me remind you. You know the best part? What, Charlie? The best part of last night, the best part of last night was when the crowd realized that the Celtics, they had hit 29 threes.

The crowd realized the Celtics were one three away from breaking the record for threes made in a game. And the crowd just every time, you know, they had Sam Houser in, they had Peyton Pritchard in, they had guys whose names I barely know. And they just kept chucking up threes. And the crowd was like, one more three, one more three. And the minute the crowd realized that they could break this record,

the Celtics bricked like 13 in a row. And they just kept kicking it back out to Sam Houser and Peyton Pritchard. And then in the postgame presser, Jalen Brown was like, I just want everyone to know, this is evidence we're not hunting threes, because when we try, we can't hit them. It's like there was a lid on the basket.

You know, them chanting one more three reminds me of people chanting one more term. And then what happens? Why are you Obama right now? I'm just saying. Have you ever been hated or discriminated against? I have. I've been protesting and demonstrated against. Back to you, Dan. I don't want to do this. I don't know why you decided to do this every day, but Friday this year It's oddball. You'll get the occasional analysis from an incredibly crappy fake Obama the idea that the self-defense

What happened what are you laughing at that you don't think it's a crappy Obama? No, I think it's pretty good. I asked Sasha, Michelle, Malia, they all think it's terrible. I mean, terrible, great. Right in. The ring that Charlotte held in war, you're really just learning now

that because you were in the media room not being a part of the pageantry of the banner raising, you didn't do any of the emotional stuff. You're just learning right now that Charlotte held the ring, which is beautiful, in her hands. By the way, the ring is not beautiful. It's gaudy.

I saw that they broke it all down for us. It was, it's huge. You know, I don't know what to say, Dan. I guess I could just say, I just don't give a f***. Was this the plan? Was it the plan to be Obama the whole time? Mr. President. Well, I'm sorry.

Did I turn some people off? You know what you should be turned off by. I won't say it, but you know what it is. It's at McDonald's. Doing the fries. Turned off by that. Four days a week, huh Dan? Yeah, four days a week, now on Fridays. No longer on Fridays, only on Mondays. I kind of like it

How many M&M lyrics Let me get can I get just so that people can understand what it is that Amin is trying to do can I get that Obama video please and And pair this with some M&M get that for me at your leisure So I can explain to people what it is that i mean is doing in the interim charlotte do you have something to throw to hear i was told that you did some street reporting yes dan i sat outside of td garden with that one of those foldable tables and a sign that said hate the next

talk to me and the sign looks so because nicks was in orange in the rest of it was in black and the sign was in front of the table but every time I thought about the sign I started laughing. And we have a piece coming out, the broader documentary about this incredible reporting I did coming out on oddball, but we do have a clip of one fan and I just want to say besides this fan, most people in Boston were like, well, because I was trying to stoke the flames of a rivalry between New York and Boston and basketball because it's so strong everywhere else most people in Boston were like the Nicks haven't really done enough for me to worry about them and I said to one guy I was like

it's like the Don Draper quote where the guy says I feel sorry for you and Don Draper and Mad Men says I don't think about you at all and the guy just goes yeah haven't seen Mad Men so that's's how it went, but check out this angry Boston guy. I f*** the Spice-o-necks. I hate them. I will eat their guts, stamp their throats, spikely, or weasel. You know what New York fans are about? They can't afford Madison Square Garden, right?

So now they come here in droves, right? Come at the garden and always want to start a racket and always trying to out-cheer us, but not on my clock. Freaking out, eat your heart out. I fucking stamp on your head, punch you in the face. That's how much I hate Knicks fan. Wow, that is the passion I've been looking for all evening. Whenever Knicks come to funday as a fight and there's going to be a fight tonight, I'm not fighting,

but some idiot's going to fight and I'm going to, and I'm going to cheer on for the Celtics. Yeah, let's go baby. Get him, get him, get him. Sorry, do you mean that the fans are gonna fight or like the game is gonna be a fight or both? The fans. Boss, yep.

Yeah, because you know why? Mitch fans are arrogant. F***ing stand them. Thank you so much, sir. Okay, bye. He ran out of material there at the end He was he was running on right out of gas running out of fumes You know what's interesting is that guy went on camera and talk like that on camera. I'm wondering what's your job?

What is your profession your day profession? Are you that rich? Can you afford to blow this shit? All right, let's go ahead and just play the clip already now notice My palms are sweating these week arms ahead Bum it on my sweater already mom spaghetti I'm nervous but on the surface that look calm and ready to drop bombs, but I keep bombs forgetting Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dan Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. I thought Eminem was gonna be performed. I was gonna jump out.

Love me some Eminem. Charlotte is looking with open mouth. Oh, Amin is wildly unimpressed. Wait, that's not a, that's real. That's not a deep fake. I hadn't seen that. I love my spaghetti. I'm Barack Obama, the real Barack Obama.

All the other Barack Obamas are just imitating. That's an imitation. Is that what this has been the whole time? And I haven't done it. Yes. That's been the whole time. Hey, Charlotte, he didn't tell you what he was doing. He didn't tell anybody what he was doing.

He just decided to do it. Well, this is why you should watch Abba, because you never know what you're gonna catch you guys realize everything I said was it was an M&M no I didn't every every day that's the kind of chemistry you will get on oddball he's walking off the side now they used to take one day off a week now it's a different day I don't remember which day is which oddball almost every day and let me remind the people Dan that this segment is Presented by LinkedIn jobs post your job for free at LinkedIn.com Prep terms and conditions apply. Thank you to Amin and to Charlotte. Welcome back another NBA season

You got more muscular. I have lost 10 pounds. Have you? Yeah, using my Peloton. I've had the Peloton in my house. So my daughter, she wanted me to get a Peloton. I did, she used it a couple of times. Yeah, great endorsement.

But once she left to college and the Peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used, I said, you know what? I gotta use this. And I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy. So I started using Peloton as a bike. Obviously that's like what they're known for. But recently I discovered all of the other classes

that they have. They have like a series of weightlifting classes. They have programs, which for me the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. If not, I just go and I pick a class at random and I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything. I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class.

Okay. It's the Grateful Dead class, by the way. You do like a four week core program with Emma Lovewell. Right. I would recommend that one. Okay. Anyone can do that, any level starts out, you know, easy and then you work your way up

and then there's like a core program two that you can do after core program one, if you wanna do that. Yeah, if you graduate. Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course. Well, you can start a course two if you want, but I ease my way in I did course one first And you do some strength classes with Andy love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it

I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it You know anything about Peloton's two guys what peloton coaches they walk the walk really? Yeah, they talk to talk They have sub three hour marathon runner coaches, they have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches, and so many other well-rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes. You're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately. You're my teacher. Am I? Yeah. You know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so that I don't have to think because I don't know. I don't actually know Am I? Yeah. You know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program So then I don't know because I don't know I don't know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the like Mr

Olympia, right? Is that what it's called? Yes, the one where you go and you're like lifting shiny boulders. Yeah. We should talk to Magnus again. That's Mr. Olympia. Yeah. Yes. What did I say? Olympus. Did I? I don't know. Anyways, find your push, find your power with Peloton at onepeloton.com Don LeBretard. Yeah, enjoy enjoy a long and fruitful run, Dan. Anyways, find your push, find your power with Peloton at OnePeloton.com. Don Lebertard! Yeah, enjoy a long and fruitful run, Dan. What was that voice? A Celtics fan. That was a Celtics fan?

Well, it was me. Stugats! Oh, it's amazing! It's amazing to see the mask pulled off and to see you so clearly. You were in such good disguise and I didn't know it was you. It's to me, a Celtics fan. This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats. Billy, you were, you've been a bit critical of the general nepotism

involved with LeBron and Brawny and last night they get their moment and LeBron spent the whole time afterward being emotional publicly and he gets the Hollywood ending. Even if they don't win a championship he gets the Hollywood ending. I can't believe he's still playing like that at that age. Crazy. And that they're beating Minnesota, which was a good deal better than them last year, but they got their moment.

So let's play this moment and see if Dad Weekend Billy gets moved by the syrup of any of this. All ready? Mm-hmm. All right. You can see the intensity, right? Just play carefree though. Don't worry about mistakes, just go out and play hard.

Wow, that's cute. It is, yep. Bronnie works hard. Yeah, it's nice. I have my regrets over how we discussed it headed into the draft, if I'm gonna be honest with you. Why? I don't know, I just, I don't like how it came off,

I don't like how it came out. I just, I don't I don't like how it came off. I don't like how it came out I just I don't know why I don't I like to feel I like having warm fuzzy moments But like I like them to be natural and not feel like they're kind of like fabricated on them being controlled by you know Corporations essentially Nike really if we're gonna name names I don't want to feel like you know every every feel-good is just like a big PR move by I don't want to feel like you know every every feel-good is just like a big PR move by Nike to sell more Nike and that's kind of how a lot of this is has felt so far it's what LeBron in Hollywood is meant to birth as he transitions while still playing into father and

Whenever it's grandfather and starts making more and more content because he's doing what Peyton Manning's doing while he's still playing. It's almost the whole reason he went to Hollywood is to get the Hollywood ending. And he's gotten it by still, man, I'm gonna remind you guys again that Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony are doing podcasts as his peers reminding you how good they were. And that was a long time ago.

Their colleague is still out here ushering in control of Hollywood by putting his son on the roster and getting people to argue about it. He's been a content machine for 20 years. I thought Kenny Smith in the pregame did a very good job of talking about Bronte and the fact that had he not sustained that terrible injury, he had a heart injury, went to the hospital and had he not sustained that. He had cardiac arrest injury. Went to the hospital and had he not sustained that. He had cardiac arrest. Yes, he was a top five

recruit, maybe the best player in his class. That's what Kenny Smith was saying. He would have made it to the NBA eventually. Okay. But LeBron provided his kid and himself and his family with a special moment because he has the

leverage to do so and maybe it was manufactured you want these things to happen naturally I actually understand what Billy is saying but it still was a special nice moment. It's literally manufactured from the people who bring you LeBron runs the entire NBA and Hollywood for 20 years is the biggest athlete in America and at the end gets so many perks that he chooses the coach and his kid is on the bench because he's gonna get the ending that he wants.

But if you could choose that perk, why would you not choose that perk? Getting your son to the NBA, playing with your son, going into a game with your son, those are cool moments, man. JJ Reddick was very clear on the front end that LeBron had nothing to do with his hiring. And I'm sure, Bronny, there's nothing to do with him being on the Lakers.

Well no, he threatened to go play in Australia if he didn't play on Daddy's team, but other than that. Well, you can complain. Here's the thing that feels manufactured about it, right? Like, I like... It is manufactured. No, I know. All of it. The reason that we know and it's not even being hidden is because, like, as soon as

he gets drafted, there's commercial campaigns that come out. And even the rookie hazing thing of LeBron and Bronnie, there's a Nike commercial about it. It just, it doesn't feel real, none of it. That's why it's hard, I think, to enjoy the moment and be like, this is so special, because it just feels so over the top, manufactured by Nike and by the NBA, to like, you need to feel this way.

This is so special, feel this way. And it's like, I could just naturally feel this way by having actual genuine real moments and you guys not trying to force feed these natural genuine moments. Why can't both of these things though exist in your head at the same time? The relationship with his son is clearly and obviously

real for all to see. Anyone living vicariously parenthood through, wow, that'd be cool to think about, or not working or being able to work with my son or daughter. Why wouldn't you manufacture that moment if you could manufacture that moment? But it can be manufactured and still cool. You don't have to choose between those two things.

I think it being manufactured makes it less cool. It's like what's real, what's not real? I don't know. OK, but we are not the greatest people to measure cool by degrees. But OK, if we- I can tell you how I feel. That's how I feel.

Of course. And I would say many people object to this for many different reasons. But LeBrun- If they did less, it would feel cooler, I feel. Of course, and I would say many people object to this for many different reasons, but LeBron. If they did less, it would feel cooler, I feel like. It would feel more genuine. If there was actually a moment where they checked in, not like a pre-plan, this is when we're gonna do it, watch the beginning of the second quarter,

let's check this, let's check that. I think, honestly, if you wanna have a deep conversation, it's just like a human condition thing, right? It's just, everybody wants to live in the time when the most important thing happened, and this is the greatest player I've ever seen do X, Y, Z thing, and like every generation just wants to give their life meaning

by saying they were alive when the greatest thing ever happened. So we just continue to manufacture these moments to make ourselves feel better. You're saying manufactured, but you would not dispute that the relationship between them is genuine and authentic. I don't know the relationship, if I'm gonna be perfectly honest.

All right, but what do you think? I only see what the Nike puts out, so I don't know. So you don't. I'm not questioning their relationship. That's fair. I'm just saying, everything doesn't have to be a commercial. I guess I'm asking you, do you believe, and maybe I'm the sucker here,

what's been presented to me about LeBron James as the most connected athlete to access in the social media age gives me the impression that he is a caring father. I'm not saying he's not. Okay, and you. Billy's saying we don't know. We don't know this is this is correct we don't know but if you're applying the cynicism of because Nike manufactures commercials when they've been in the

mythology business since long before Jordan this is what they do it's who they are they're the best marketing people in the history of industry in creating what the mythologies are around these people and they've got a giant economy who is their chief sneaker salesman at the moment who has an amazing storyline to give the storybook writers and he lives in Hollywood and he's trying to figure out how to end the story on I owned 20 years of sports in America. I get it. Wait, so Brawny knew the cereal was in the car? That's ridiculous.

Lot of cameras there for that. But you want that to happen naturally. LeBron had to play until he's 40. The chances of that happening naturally are zero. I heard Nick Wright saying this, like, we might not have LeBron right now. Correct. If not for Brawny being in the league.

He probably would have retired by now. So if you appreciate LeBron right now. Correct. If not for Brawny being in the league. He probably would have retired by now. So if you appreciate LeBron and are happy he's still in the league, you kind of just got to eat this. I'm happy for him. I'm happy he's getting to experience and do all of this. But I'm being honest in telling you, it feels less genuine as a consumer than it could. I understand.

Windhorse is saying that the Lakers plan on keeping Brawny on the roster because a lot of people feel like he should go to the G League and go through what other players have had to go through to get to the NBA but this is keeping LeBron motivated and activated and he's into it and he loves it and he's showing his son the ropes and therefore Windhorse is saying that he thinks Bronte will stay on that roster for the season. So God, it's one of the things that I always have found interesting about how we cover sports. All of it's sales, man. And we're the world's greatest customers because how we care about all of this nonsense

in a way that's totally unreasonable. And guess who's as good at sales as Michael Jordan was. The guy who's getting to play later with his kid because he's figuring out a different ending past the time that he can actually win championships while still making the Lakers matter and on opening night they give you Celtics and Lakers and right up on the screen is titled Celtics 18 Lakers 17. Our late game is LeBron James with Bronny one of only two for the night as we kick off the season Because he still matters like that at the end when he's the oldest player in the league because he's gonna give up this league

Reluctantly, even though they took it from him last year and all he's gonna get at the end is the Hollywood Which is all he wants at the end. I understand but like also as someone with two children I do like I don't know, I sometimes think maybe I shouldn't include my children in XYZ thing. And obviously what he's doing for his son is great. Like his son is in the NBA, right? You can debate whether he got in based on his own merit, whether he got in with the help of his dad, whatever. He's done a great job of raising his son, getting him to the NBA, getting him the right coaches, doing the right thing to get him prepared and get him into this point.

Now, he's gonna have to prove himself, obviously, because he's not just going to stay in the league forever, even after LeBron is gone, if he doesn't deserve to be in the league. And you know what, maybe he's equipped to do that, maybe he's not. He's gonna have to prove it himself, which is fine. It's just like the whole marketing,

the whole commercialization of your family just feels a little much sometimes. And all of you are in agreement on that one. It's how Nike selling you family is going to feel. But as the most powerful person, you can control Nike and tell them, like, let's let Brani come in and kind of find his own. Like we don't need to,

because this puts added pressure on Him would you agree or disagree with that? What LeBron a narcissist who would think of himself very often because of what his life has been the last 20 years that he's the most Man, that's why I'm saying be a father here. I I've told you guys. This is pretty interesting. I thought anyways I've told you that I've been read this recently reading Will Smith's autobiography Which I have found interesting for a number of different reasons and jada pickett he broke her heart in therapy because they were both meant to

write lists about who they cared about who was the most important person and uh... you know her list put the kids first his list put him at the very top and that's how you become the biggest movie star in the world because you're chasing you with such zeal that in therapy with your wife, you're saying I'm the most important thing. What do you imagine LeBron's life has been like

for the last 20 years that would make it difficult to be a father who's concentrating only on the interests of his kids? I know it's therapy and you're supposed to tell the truth and it's a cleansing and you're trying to heal. Why are you putting yourself? first on that I have to lie in that spot. You have to especially if you're gonna put it in your book

I don't care if the answer is Will Smith not there. I not will Smith on that sheet of paper I literally stopped reading that book because of how inauthentic I found it And I made it through McConaughey's Who said he once peed 10 feet in the air over a six-foot guy. I believe it. Tier four actor according to Samson. Did he say tier four? But I think that I don't know what three and four were but I think he was making him a tier two actor that's what it felt like he was making. No he had De Niro tier two I mean it's crazy. So according to his book he was making it. No. He had De Niro tier two. I mean, it's crazy. So according to his book, he was standing 10 feet away

from a six foot dude who made a bet with McConaughey's dad that my son can pee over your head and if he does, he gets your motorcycle. And according to the book, little Matthew McConaughey peed over that guy's head, standing 10 feet away. Not so little. You like that one, did you, Stu? I was just making it in case. You felt good about that one.

I needed to clear it up in case anyone didn't understand what Mike was saying. Careful, I believe he was a teenager at the time. The other game is. That's a practice, by the way. Wow. I try to provide that context. By calling him Little Matthew McConaughey.

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issuance for additional terms and responsible gaming resources see Don Lebatard Team mates can't shoot from three Now they're gonna see a different Jimmy Now he's just, just playing Nickel back in the locker room and Stugats They'll play D and show threes As they chase the Nats for the sixth seed These five words in his head Scream, are we winning games yet?

This is the Don Lebatard Show With the Stugats And the Stugats And the Stugats These five words in his head, scream are we winning games yet? This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats. The other game last night, the game that we're not talking about, the Celtics made the winning of the championship look very easy last year because it was very easy because they were the best team from the start of the season to the finish of the season and the only reason there was doubt about them winning the championship is because we had to talk about it for weeks and months not

because there was actually any doubt they were an enormous favorite they have unlocked the ability to play what is today's basketball shooting threes in a way that the Knicks thoughts Stugance before this season because their fan base is as excited as it's been in 20 years they thought that they were pieces away if they just send out the gritty guys get rid of Hart and Stein put Josh Hart on the bench more he can't be playing 42 minutes every night get the Italian the foreigner get him out of here to Minnesota. Just from Delaware. And make it Carl Anthony towns and bridges,

and let's go for it right now. We think we're as good as the Celtics. I agree with the moves that Nick's made in the off season because that team, you know, Dante and those guys, that team went as far as it was gonna go last year. A lot of New York does not like that what you're saying. I don't care what New York likes or dislikes. It's one game for

crying out loud. They were playing the Celtics were raising a banner at home and the Celtics are really really good. The Knicks needed to make these moves. They needed to improve the roster and they did. We'll see how it plays out. But of

course, New York would fall in love with that team. That is a quintessential New York team right there, but that team wasn't winning a championship and the people running the Knicks want to win a championship and they gave their team, their organization, and that fan base the best opportunity to win a championship this year. But if you're going to be worried as a Knicks fan, the place you're going to get worried

is, oh shit, the champions are attacking Carl Anthony Towns because he doesn't look anything like he looks when Go bear is out there with him And they could be a number one defensive team because go bear is out there with him But some of this stuff takes a minute, especially in the NBA if you watch the Timberwolves last night They look kind of disjointed as well because they're playing with new players. Yes, of course It takes a minute, but the Celtics made a number of threes that is a record Yeah, and after the game Josh Hart is saying we need to drug test them the celtics made a number of threes that is a record. Yep. And after the game, Josh Hart is saying,

we need to drug test them. I've never seen anything like that. In terms of starts, you can be totally patient about all those things. That one's a disaster for how New York went into this season, thinking it's close to Boston. And after the game, their gritty heart guy, literal heart guy is saying to you, drug test them, I've never seen anything like that before.

Tatum's numbers are wildly efficient in a way that he's not going to be, but the point stands on what Stugatz is saying. That team wasn't properly respected for how great it was last year because they ransacked everybody and started this season as if they put a bookmark in a bad Will Smith autobiography. It's weird because the team was so good last year people still want to question Tatum he made the Olympic team Steve Kerr didn't play him Jalen Brown won the the finals MVP didn't make the Olympic team probably should have made the Olympic team.

It's like no one wants this team or believes this team to be good. And it's weird to be considering how dominant they were last year. They were great. Yeah, they're their best player when they entered the playoffs. I think the narratives changed a little bit

with how good Jaylen Brown was there, but they survived the postseason quite easily with having Jason Tatum statistically being one of the worst perimeter starters in the history of that sport in the NBA Finals and not a didn't miss a beat didn't matter so I think yeah I it is kind of weird because Boston won an NBA title and it wasn't really obsessed over all offseason long you almost have to remind yourself that they did and I'm trying to figure almost have to remind yourself that they did.

And I'm trying to figure out, is it the path that they had? Are sports fans smart enough to apply that context? Is it because the guy that had all the commercials, the Jordan guy and Jason Tatum, the guy that was crowned as next, didn't really deliver? Therefore it's harder to sell a championship like that? It is a weird place because they were that good, but I do think they almost need a better foil.

I don't think it's a weird place. I would say it's a combination of better foil and you gotta give us memorable moments, man. Like you have to, you have to give us, now Boston fans will have a number of moments that they hold onto from that postseason run. The rest of us will have none. We will have zero from the entire postseason

run think about what was so because they were so dominant that takes away from what it is they just i'm just telling you how you remember i i i don't tell me they're the most disrespected champion ever and i'm and i'm saying why yeah what like why would you run rough shot over everybody and nobody's giving you whatever you think the appropriate credit is but i'm gonna say it's because there were a lot of buzzer beaters there wasn't hey they came back from three nothing the running stories for us that latch

onto they came back from three nothing against the heat eric white did that at the buzzer i'm guessing that celtics fans will have celtics fans really squeeze the emotion out of last night they love the number of different things that were happening around the court. And anyone who doesn't care about Boston was watching it and shrugging, why do you love this team so much? What is it that you're connecting to here? I don't understand it. I'm not in love with Tatum and Brown and Porzingis.

What was the most memorable thing from their postseason run? They had a series with the Pacers that was a lot closer than the end result because they had really dramatic comebacks and Indiana blew a lot of games. Indiana was also injured at the time. They swept them though. Yeah, they swept them but they had a, like the game flows, if you see the win probability numbers in each of those games, Indiana could make an argument that we were just this away from making them real serious. In the last three minutes of all those games, I think it was probable in every one of them, except maybe the last one, that Indiana would have won the game.

I think. There was an overtime game. There was one blowout in game two, but there was an overtime game and the other victories were three point victories for the Celtics. That's hard. We had to Google that, you know. It's not a memorable run because we don't really have anything we can remember. That's typically not the case in that sport with postseason runs. That's hard to do if you're the Celtics. I understand what you guys are saying, but the Celtics were so dominant they didn't provide their fan base or the league with any sort of memorable run.

Let's do it this way, Sturgots. I'll ask you this. As the Celtics last night are celebrating hey isn't it great that pierce ray allen and garnett are together again because they were one of the original big threes and one could argue underachieved by only winning one championship and the one championship they won though if you want to talk about where fan bases emotionally connect with their players had more game sevens in it than

any championship run we had seen it took more games for those more playoff games for those Celtics teams to make a bunch of different moments that makes us remember that those three guys played together in a way I don't think we're going to feel about even if they win multiple championships Porzingis, Holliday, Tatum and like that that it's look i'm not trying to discredit what they did it's almost like they were too good but in listening you're explaining i have been listening to the oral history in some of the stuff that mike is doing the ties are show to lebron

you made the point that the reason that miami he team was so memorable is because it lost in the first year when everybody thought that shit was going to be easy and Thought that they were ruining the sport by getting on the stage and pulsing You know pulsing at us how easy it was going to be before the season even started No, you're right We thought it would be easier and it wasn't and that made it more the winning made it even better when they actually got to The winning part of their four years, but this Celtic climb was like any other climb. Was it not?

They got close, they got knocked out. Yeah. They failed a bunch. You could argue that Tatum's most memorable post-season moment was a negative play. It got blocked at the rim by BAM. They had plenty, they had a climb that a lot of sports fans can identify with.

I don't know, it's just weird. I think you can appreciate their domination and reign over the sport if they do another one, if they win another one and they're not an outlier like Toronto or maybe Dallas was, if they win another one, then their dominance can become a story rather than- Validates, yeah, yeah. I would almost rather have none. Yeah, yeah. How is this a theme that has been in all three of the shows this week?

That you've got to win two or zero that winning one is not incorrect A lot of people stumble into one makes all the sense Let me play for you some sound here of Bill Belichick from Monday night because I'm telling you right now, Sturgatz, I don't know if you guys saw ESPN sends out its weekly releases on what the numbers are for things on Monday night football and conspicuously absent from that list was any numbers on what ESPN Plus did as a whole lot of people couldn't figure out on Monday night how to get Chargers and Cardinals at 9 p.m. Eastern. There were people, I don't know what the numbers are, but ESPN figure out on monday night how to get chargers and cardinals at nine p m eastern there were people

i don't know what the numbers are but he has been didn't tell us immediately what the numbers are either but they have bill bella check around with the mannings and i'm telling you i would have him on all the time because bill bella check doing this with the mannings reveals a little more to me than I've ever gotten out of Bill Belichick as a public figure. He goes after Mayo, the coach of the Patriots now. Who coached for him.

Who coached for him and did he play for him as well? He played for him as well. Yes, he played for him as well. I don't know what other coach he'd be playing for in New England. No, he played for him as well. They won a couple of Super Bowls. Everyone who played for Bill won a couple of Super Bowls. This is on the Pat McAfee show. He destroys him. Yes, this was on the McAfee show. What we played yesterday was on Ed Reid and it's in response to

basically Mayo saying that the Patriot players are soft as they have the worst team in the league, the hardest to watch team. They're one in six and I can't imagine how that fan base is feeling about that football team. You know defensively the Patriots led the league last year in rushing defense yards per carry number one in the league and this year they're way down in the 20s somewhere it's a lot of it's the same guys I'm kind of hurt for those guys because they call them soft they're not soft but they were the best team in the league last year against the run. And those guys did out there, went out there and did it even though we couldn't score many points offensively.

So I don't know. I feel bad for the defensive players on that one because those guys, that's a tough group. That's how you use Bill Belichick to be really good at this. That's a great clip. That's where you apply. The hard thing with taking any of his analysis in is trying to figure out where his biases are. He certainly spoke with bias on Woody Johnson, but that was appreciated. As long as you wear it on your sleeve, it's a good thing. And right there, hims rat-a-tat-tatting, we were the best against the run. That is how you generally decide who is tough, who is a finesse team. We were the best against the run last last season that's really

good stuff there he was saying I was best against the run last season when I was coaching those same... Oh, Runshmun, that team was terrible last year. Yeah but it's a great job by him because he's being pro player and anti coach and if you're a player watching that and your team stinks and you want a new head coach that's the guy you want I'm serious I think he's also taking an opportunity to coach Jerrod Mayo one more time. You guys might have noticed in that clip, I'm jarred by it even if it's just the most common

of television graphics. Eight times Super Bowl champion. It punches me in the face when I see it as a graphic eight times Super Bowl champion it's a it's an unemployed people forget about the other Giants defensive coordinator once yeah Atlanta Atlanta didn't want it no no although he might no longer be doing this media thing come Sunday night because that is that's the way great it does kind of feel like Mike McCarthy's job is on the line headed into Sunday night against

the San Francisco 49ers yes you think if Dallas loses that game McCarthy's gone the next day gotta believe and it would have to be Belichick right it's certainly the first call that Jerry's gonna make if it's not McCarthy certainly that Dallas radio guy is gonna be gone the very next day. Someone's getting fired. You have him still there. Someone's getting fired. But it's amazing because Dallas can't really take a loss.

San Francisco climbing back into the playoff chase will be made especially difficult if they lose that game. Usually when these two teams get together, it's because they're really good and everything, the uniforms, the rivalry, that's all great. But here, the draw is that they're both tire fires at the moment. Is it as amazing as Belichick chasing his 20 plus girlfriend through corn mazes?

Because I want- What a sight this was. I think they named the corn maze after him. Did they? They visited a Belichick themed corn maze, I believe. If you look at it here, there's a picture of him. See him in the hoodie. I'm so delighted.

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