The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Athletes That Connote Royalty

Episode Date: March 13, 2024

We kick off the hour with a segment of Amin Knows Basketball before Charlotte takes us headfirst into the Kate Middleton photoshop drama. Jessica reveals her Top 5 Athletes That Connote Royalty. Then Jeff Jarvis joins the show--but Stugotz does not--to discuss AI and a wide range of topics about journalism. Plus, do people know who Paul Giamatti's father is? We re-make some old movies and the show discusses the success and failures of the different Drive to Survive-esque series on Netflix after Break Point was canceled. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network. This is the Don Lebatur Show with the Stugatz Podcast. He is a basketball expert, so I don't know if you noticed a couple of games in the 70s. There's a conspiracy that the league is trying to strangle scoring and the referees are allowing more physical play. It's just Thibodeaux. I mean, it's not just Thibodeaux. Well, it's back to back games with the 76ers. He has held them in the 70, 79 points each game, by the way. Okay, but I mean, I mean, is this a real thing

that's happening? The idea that right after the all-star break, we're gonna officiate the games entirely differently. Is this a real thing or a conspiracy? I don't know if it's a real thing, but I do know that the games have been officiated differently, whether that's because there was a directive or because, oh,

it's a complete coincidence. Or as my buddy Ethan Strauss says, it's like, he said it's like someone saying to the police who didn't know there was a woman missing, look, there's no way I left the woman's body in the woods by the creek behind that farm, no way, no how, right? So the idea is like the league was asked about this before the All-Star break and they said,

we haven't addressed it, that's something we gotta look at. There's no push from here from anyone at the league office about this because we haven't examined it yet, but yet after that interview was given, we see the results. I think it's because the refs are wearing the Emirates patches on their uniforms now. I think it's because the refs are wearing

that little patch, they're like, we are serious now and we're gonna start doing things differently in this league. These two are bombing in from Oddball and Charlotte, I wanted to talk about why it is that Kate Middleton hasn't been heard from in a while and I was told you can't do it, Charlotte's not here. Yeah, thank you to everybody who had my back there. I've been dying to talk about this, Stan. All right, so we can do it now. No, but everybody has been. Everybody

has been around here and so you'll forgive my ignorance here, but I have generally not been terribly interested in the gossip of the day around here and you guys all whispering about photoshopped mysteries around here, everybody wanting to talk about it has been a bit annoying. Annoying. That's not. What annoys you about it?

Yeah. It's a missing person, Dan. Right. Maybe. We're not sure. It's the mystery of the century. People are calling it. Am I alone that I don't care at all about this? No, you're not. I'm right with you. You're with Dan and Roy. It's the mystery of the century. People are calling it.

Am I alone that I don't care at all about this? No, you're not. I'm right with you. You're with Dan and Roy, it seems. It's not that I don't care. It's your guys, you are alleging credibly abduction. No, no. No, no, no, no. Well, disappearance.

Yeah. You've got two fault. Me and Sugatsu were working on a top five. Reason that she's gone. No one has seen her. She, they say that she had planned abdominal surgery in early 2024. No one has seen her since Christmas Eve. The problem here is that they had a trip book.

They had like official duties booked in early 2024. So would that have been a planned thing? People are saying she was rushed to the hospital December December 28th, and everybody is clamoring for proof of Kate Middleton, and so the royal duchess is the Cambridge, whatever their social media handle is. Yes, thank you. That's the official. I just, thank you.

Ken Dingdemounts, they put out a picture. And it's a photo, it was like Happy Mother's Day, and it's a picture of Kate Middleton and her three children. And if you look, it doesn't take an expert to see that they completely photoshopped it. And then instead of saying, hey, we photoshopped this picture for whatever reason, why wouldn't you just put out a picture?

Put out a picture of Kate. We don't know where she is, we don't know what's going on. The palace said that Kate said, oh, I'm just dabbling in Photoshop. Like any amateur photographer. Wow! A Photoshop Joe Burrow over her head. I mean.

Oh, wow, that's a good call. That's incredible. Oh, yeah, that kid does look like Joe Burrow. A young Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow? Give me what you're saying. I was wondering how we knew it was Photoshop, but apparently there are 16 reasons how we know.

There's like a photo here that points out every imperfection with the photo. Yeah, there's some like blurred pixels and stuff. I love the idea of the heiress to the throne right like the the soon-to-be queen of England at some point is Dabbling in Photoshop like she takes her own pictures and Photoshop She didn't have like a team of people to do that. No, no, I like to do it on my own You know and with the ones that I post to the public to show that I'm alive.

I agree, it's a terrible excuse and one of many PR mistakes that have happened in the last couple months because as Kate Middleton has not been seen in public, conspiracy theories and just theories in general about where she is have been running rampant. And instead of just ignoring those because people will convince themselves of anything

if they think maybe something nefarious has happened, even if it hasn't, they decided to just feed this fire by putting out a picture that is now clearly doctored and that they had to admit was doctored. So overall, just a absolute masterclass on how to not do PR. And the initial explanation of her absence that she had surgery and is recovering

seems pretty plausible, because sometimes it takes a few months to recover from surgery. Maybe you don't want to be photographed in public right after a really tough surgery, but instead of just being like, she's fine, she's recovering from surgery, they're like, here's a picture that we photoshopped, oopsies. What kind of surgery? Well, that's the thing. Well, there's a number of things. They also announced beforehand, like, oh, don't worry, that's the thing well There's a number of things they also like announced beforehand like oh don't worry

She's just gonna reappear after Easter which is like well hold on you're just announcing someone's gonna disappear for four months and like She's risen our jit are they just used to people not questioning anything they do so like yes cool We're just so much missing for four months You guys will be fine with this I was joking with someone yesterday because I didn't think that, and even as I was texting and I'm like, this is too ridiculous. I'm like, maybe she got a Brazilian butt lift, right? Like joking.

And then they send me screenshots of multiple people who believe that this is an actual theory of what is going on. They've handled this the worst way they possibly could. Yes, people, I think the palace expects people to just believe what they say, but also like a Spanish news anchor was reporting that she was in a coma.

Like it's the dumbest thing ever because in a vacuum of information, people just make stuff up and instead of putting any of it to rest, they're like, you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna release a weird picture and give people more fodder for their weird ideas. It's crazy.

So as I said earlier, Stugats and I were workshopping at top five things that, what, explaining the disappearance of Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton, Jesus Christ. Wow. It's okay, what happened? All right, I'm gonna take the show back. Let me, I know this has happened a couple

of different times here. I mean, forget that you just don don't just get right back on and Your mind doesn't work the same way No, but he keeps happening Keeps happening to mean he jumps in here. I got it. I got it and then he trips over himself right coming out of the gate This is to be fair Chris does fells in with the K Earlier this week we were talking about a lot of people got mad at me because I was talking about I don't know I was asking so Michael B. Jordan when everyone's an amateur sleuth telling me that making me

Learn that there's such a thing as a chin implant because some people are accused of having work done whatever that work done is If you're a public-facing person and you have to have some of that work done, whatever that work done is. If you're a public-facing person and you have to have some of that work done, don't you have to disappear for a while? Like to not be seen? I don't know if it's two months or not, but if you're having any kind of work done, wouldn't that explain anybody disappearing for a while?

Well, yes, but the thing about the Royals is that they have their duty to the people is to do all these public appearances so that they're constantly worked. And I'm, this is a massive air quote, obviously, because this is not a construct that I believe in, but that is their role is to like do things for the British people so they can't just disappear for two months because then they're not doing the jobs. By the way, the side by side they use is like Michael McGearn when he was when he was 12

That's right before he developed a chip By the I used to work for a guy who got a chin implant way way way back in the day Yes, like I was he was the the manager of the computer store on campus at Georgia Tech and he went away and he came back and he had a chin and it was just like, come on guy. I think his chin looks better before. He left with no chin. He left with no chin. I'm the idiot for not knowing that there was such a thing

as a chin implant. Yeah, yeah. Have you not heard of Matt Reif? I mean, geez. Did you see, you know, Pookie and Jet on TikTok? Yeah. Pookie's looking incredible tonight. Pookie's looking fire tonight.

Dan, do you know those people? Why am I the idiot for just assuming that everyone's chin is a real chin? Well, because Pookie did a whole TikTok on getting a chin implant. New Jackson. She has a chin implant? Oh yeah, she's had a lot of work done

and she's documented it, so I know everything. So Chris Middleton hasn't played since February 6th, but Doc is saying Chris is coming back soon. But don't ask anyth, but Doc is saying Chris is coming back soon. But don't ask any questions. A doctor is saying Chris is coming back soon. Ooh, what's a doctor? I mean, would you like to get restarted again and have the runway again?

Sure, why not? Do we have the fanfare ready? All right, number five, plastic surgery. What is this again? What is this again? Top five reasons for what? All right number five plastic surgery Top five reasons for what right Work Kate middle okay, this guy's gonna be doing for Chris. I almost said Chris We should do one for Chris. Yeah, wait a second. Can I do my top five athletes that canote royalty? Just the more shared Number four, I mean she's in a coma Yeah. Do all at the same time. Go ahead, Jess, number three. All at the same time. Patrick, please. Patrick, please. Patrick, please.

I worked on both. All at the same time. Number four, I mean, she's in a coma. Jesus. Jesus. Oh, you never know. That one's interesting. Number four, Jess.

Erin Davis. Yeah. Yeah. What if she is? Well. You can't plan her coming out of a, I mean, if she's in a medically induced coma. There's no way of knowing.

I think there's evidence she came home from the hospital though. The royals come for everybody who's not related by blood. I'm just saying you marry into that family you better watch your back. Number three, she's dead. Whoa, what do you mean? You can't rule out at this point. You cannot rule out. Whoa!

There was another picture that came out yesterday the day before and then the agency admitted to all the did to alter was to light I'm not gonna leave me It's not the first time someone's covered up a death in a while come on Wow Am I lying? Oh, I'm sorry. Did it get too real for you down? Did that that is where the line is right there. Number three. The comma wasn't enough.

Number three, Jazz. Prince Fielder. ["Heroes of the Year"] Harry, Harry, Harry. Number two, I mean, she's getting cloned. ["Heroes of the Year"] Whoa, that's a good one. Good.

Honestly, it seems like a lot of work to be a royal to go to all these events. But if she was murdered by a member of the royal family and you clone her, then you can keep murdering her and get away with it. Number two, Jets! Arch Manning. Number one Amin. She's just tired and needs a break.

Number one, Jets. Corn Elder. Wow, that's a callback right there. Is everyone ready? Number one jet corn elder That's a callback right there is everyone ready everyone get out of the way because he's been working on it during breaks He's ready to summon him right now everybody get out of the way here comes Harry. Carrie. Are you ready everybody? That's not cool Everybody ready everybody. Stugats here, did you know that according to FBI property crime data, most home break-ins happen in broad daylight? As the days get longer this spring, protect your home with Simply Safe.

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Okay. Ha ha. Well, you can leave. Okay. Ha ha. So. Hi. We'll get to that in a second though. I do before Stugot's leaves want Amin.

Bye. You already said goodbye. Ha ha. A couple of syllables too late on good. I said okay, that's a fine. syllables too late on good. Okay. That's a fine Okay. See you later Amin was complaining before he came in here and Charlotte you tell me if you understand this because it's not This is a great start For Jeff he's like what's going on I

Mean he doesn't want to be a journalist I mean, he doesn't want to be here. Have you asked him to do it? Will that help? He doesn't want to be here for any of the serious stuff, and that's fine. So he could just leave before the segment. He doesn't have to start the segment that way. But what I wanted to ask Charlotte, because I'm genuinely confused before we start here. Amin was just laying on a couch because he bombs in and he's tired and he's flying a lot and he's working a lot and he was muttering under his breath and he wasn't taking accountability for how he has started around

here today. He was saying, I need 15. I need a proper 15 minute break. I can't just be dragged from place to place and be expected to perform. And so he laid down on the couch, tired. Do you understand Charlotte, what he's saying there? That he's tired? I'm glad we have Jeff Jarvis here because this right here, some might call it journalism

except that he's leaving out a whole lot of quotes and context from that statement that I made. Wow. You are corrupt, Mr. Levitar. Like the current state of American journalism. Isn't that right, Jeff? All right, do you want to provide the context? We'll do it later.

We'll do it later. I want to talk to Jeff right now. All right. Napgate? He wasn't napping. He was just in the other room on the couch complaining that he hadn't gotten a proper 15 minutes. We'll get back to that in a second. But I will introduce all employees wine. It's the natural state of things. It's all right

So Jeff Jarvis is longtime advisor to major media companies long-time journalism professor He's the author of the Gutenberg parentheses the age of print and its lessons for the age of the internet I have a number of things I want to talk to him about one of them was yesterday's fear by Greg Cody and now others that AI by 2029 is going to overtake us all. Can you please give me what are you shaking your head and know about what's happening here? Bullshit. It's macho dick waving by the AI boys to think that they're ever going to be so they

can make them the machine that's so smart and smarter than us all. So they're smarter than us all. It's crap. Don't panic about it. Don't worry about it. They're all part of a cult called Tesquerel. They're nutballs. I loved Jeff. Jeff. That was shocking.

Jeff. Jeff. Jeff. You are the man, Jeff. That was just shocking. Yes, Jeff. Right there is how you do it. It's not AGI, it's BSD. Yeah. Right there is not AGI, it's BSD. Yeah, I'm macho dick waving by the AI boys.

And they're all boys. They're all boys. The people who are smart about AI are all women and people of color. And you don't see them quoted in media. Wait a minute. What best interview ever? Did you say they're in a cult? See what's two gods missing?

See what he's missing by leaving? A cult or the O cult, Billy? What's the question you're asking? Did you say they're in a cult? Yeah, there's a guy named Miel Torres and Timnit Gebru have written about this. The AI people, Musk and Teal and Altman and the people at

Audacity are having one of the other companies. They're all involved in a series of Weird beliefs that move from effective altruism you've probably heard of Long-termism they believe that we owe the future 58 10 to the 58th human beings More than we owe today and they're the smart ones who will build that future and they're so smart They can build technology that could destroy the future. So stop us before we destroy mankind It's ridiculous. It's ego and and the media quote these people as if they're brilliant and they're not You have accrued a lifetime of journalism wisdom so explain to me how horrified you are as you see Elon Musk and Facebook chew up all of the principles you've always cared about. I blame myself in part because the fact that I moved from my blog, which I still have,

little old Buzz machine, but I ignored it and I went to Twitter. And so I went to a place that could be taken over by a narcissistic nihilist and ruined. And the essence of the Internet is open source and open. That's why I'm glad we're getting new services like Blue Sky, even Facebook's Threads and Mastodon where we can talk openly and nobody can buy it. What Musk has done to public discourse is just awful. Well, what's he done to it? And is he the worst culprit here?

Yeah, yeah, cause he's the jerk of jerks. What he's done to it is he's enabled the Nazis and bad people to come back in. His own opinions are ridiculous. And he forces them on all of us. He's ruined Twitter by bringing it down. It's a real shame. I miss the Twitter abode. But I think what we have to do, I have a new book coming out later this fall called The Web We Weave, in which I argue it's time to demote the

geeks, and it's time for us humans to take charge again. The reason that I was having you on is because I wanted someone who could bring some expertise to what's happening at CNN right now. I'd like to understand the business of it better. I'd like to understand why it is in such an important year that this feels like such a flimsy news outfit when it used to be a name for doing this correctly before profit became something that consume the media game it yet it's not just profit is lack of profit is the fact that the ad business

for reasons i don't know uh... i can't fully figure out is taking a dive everywhere right now and that may be just a momentary thing but i think it's probably bigger than that i think that that that marketers now though they can reach people directly and every business is hurting. Vice is turning off its website. Buzzfeed is suffering. The New York Times is doing fine because it's the New York F&M Times that's like nothing else. But most media are having a bad time right now and if you're at all week you really have a bad time. And CNN I think tried

to be the generic news. It wasn't just that they were trying to do it right. They were trying to be nothing from nobody, but and also to build that on celebrity. And they spent a fortune, millions and millions and millions of dollars on these people who do what you do, look at a camera and talk. And I don't think we need that. Now I don't watch CNN that much.

I'm an old fashioned, plain old liberal. So I watch MSNBC. But I think that CNN got trapped in a vice between the left and the right. It doesn't know where to turn. Thompson's a very smart guy. He ran the BBC, ran the New York Times. He's trying like crazy, but I think it's going to be his toughest job yet. Eight months before election day, Dylan Byers at the Puck reports, quote, a mere six months

into Mark Thompson's tenure as the new CEO, the CNN panic rooms are already filling up with agitated and paranoid talent and executives who are second guessing his new plan, end quote. Emily Smith at the RAP report, CNN boss Mark Thompson is looking to fund his digital first transformation by cutting anchor salaries, currently more than $50 million, as he seeks to remake the A-Link cable network into a U.S. version of the BBC. Thompson, the former head of the BBC in the New York Times, has said he wants to unleash a, quote, revolution at the 43-year-old news network and will not spare the network's formidable

talent roster. Am I talking about a dead network that's leadership-less because all of the systems in journalism are failing? I think Thompson is very, very smart. He did well at the times, but he's inherited what looks like a snake pit of politics and egos. For him to say he wants to be revolutionary. No, the revolution is happening outside there Every newspaper chain in America right now except for a few is controlled by hedge funds. They're they're cutting them to the marrow

They're not investing. They're not innovating. I think it's time to give up on big old media the same with linear television You should replace them give up on big old linear TV It's not working and I think think that what has to happen is, my students and my graduates who come out and are gonna truly reinvent journalism and reinvent what we do. Because journalism, 40% of Americans avoid news actively. Only 30% of Americans trust news. News has damaged many communities in this country.

News was run for too long by people who look like me, old white men, and it's gotta be in a position where the voices who for too long were not heard can take over. And it's gonna be messy, it's gonna be spotty, but it's time to give up on the old, I'm afraid to say. And I say that reluctantly. I don't dance on the grave happily,

but they're not doing well. Jeff, what do you say to your students when I say that reluctantly. I don't dance on the grave happily, but they're not doing well. Jeff, what do you say to your students when, like, I occasionally have someone be like, I want to do this. How do you do this? And I have no idea what to tell them. What do you say to the people you teach about, should you keep trying to do this as a career? And what is the future? It ain't easy, but I started two programs to try to answer that. One was an entrepreneurial journalism program to try to help students become responsible stewards in the field and to make enough money to buy their ramen noodles and do their work. The other is a program I'm very proud of called Engagement Journalism.

I've left the school now, but I'm going to do it somewhere else where we say, don't start with the journalism, don't start with your ideas, don't start with your biases, start by listening to communities, communities that for too long have not been heard in mainstream mass media, and serve them, figure out how to do that. There are ways, I think, to serve the communities. Our engagement journalism students go out there, they get great jobs, they are the revolutionaries. But some of them, yes, do go to old newsrooms where they get frustrated and then want to leave the whole field.

We lose a lot of talent, especially diverse talent in journalism because they hit ceilings in the organizations they go to. But if they go to smart new places that are willing to learn, there are jobs out there. There are ways to change journalism. You are a woke liberal kook. Yeah. Yep. All right. Good talking to you. Thank

you Jeff. We appreciate having you on again. Good seeing you. Always love it. Be here anytime you call. I'll be here. Jeff before you go is Kate Middleton in a coma and are they hiding it from us? Not again. Not again. God knows. God knows. this way the entire royalty is a deep fake there it is oh my god yes you rule thank you shocking allegation shocking allegation twice done libertard again started on the breakfast one man I've been singing a song to myself all morning while I'm breakfast flan. Dun, dun, dun, dun.

Stugats! Have you never heard the breakfast flan song? No, hit me with it. OK. I wish I had some breakfast flan. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, breakfast flan. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

where can I find a breakfast like that? Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, breakfast like that. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. It's nice to have you back Stugats. We've got some things to get to here including a Kobe statue that has some misspellings on it but I just want to see real quick here because I'm not sure the room knows this, but the people who learn it for the first time really do get shocked. Is there anybody in the room at all who does not know who the father of Paul Giamatti is?

Is there anyone in the room who just has no idea who Paul Giamatti's father is? Paul Giamatti has a father? Oh my god. I know half the answer. I can't remember his name, but I know what he used to do. Is it- Same. Is it- Oh, I know his dad. It's Mr. Giamatti.

Yeah. Well done. Is it shocking to anyone in the room that Paul Giamatti's father was once the commissioner of Major League Baseball? Shut the front door. No. And he- and stuff at Yale, right? that Paul Giamatti's father was once the commissioner of Major League Baseball. Shut the front door. No. And he and stuff at Yale, right? Well, but more famously, he banned Pete Rose from baseball and then died like five months later.

That's what he's known for right there. Wait, that was him? Dying? Yes. Well, no, right after he banned Pete Rose. Yes. He banned Pete Rose for like banned Pete Rose for life. Pete Rose is still trying to get into the game,

still trying and he can't because the band was for life. It was a serious band and then Paul Giamatti's father soon thereafter died. Do you think Pete Rose hates billions? And Paul doesn't like to talk about it. Like he doesn't like to talk about his dad and what he did to Pete Rose in interviews and stuff. Oh, it's specifically about Pete Rose,

not just about his dad. Is he on Pete's side or he's on his dad's side? I think he doesn't like to answer those quite. Like people are always like, should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame? And he's just like, I'm gonna sit this one out. But I just, then Pete Rose must really hate billions then. He's like, oh, that's bastard.

Just give me a, throw me a bone here. Your pops isn't even here anymore. But if he agreed with his dad, right, he would say it. Stugatz, imagine this, imagine Paul Giamatti opens up and says, you know, right before my father passed away, he said, maybe I was a little too harsh on Pete. Ugh! Like how would-

Dying words? Yes, like maybe I was a little too harsh on Pete. Ah! Just a lose-lose for Paul G. Moddy's in the headline. No, he could say Pete Rose's career or his legacy. He could. All he has to do is say that and then Pete Rose is vindicated.

Is he even a baseball fan? Maybe he just doesn't care. Oh man. Has anyone asked Paul about sports recently? He's one of the great actors of our time, correct? Like he's gonna go down and whatever it is you throw of this era is great actors if I gave you 10 of them. 20, you got, yeah, like 20.

Ted's pushing it. 10, yeah, you're really? Yeah, 10. He's a great actor. He's a great actor, I can name 10 that are better. Okay, but you can't. Let's do it, who are they still on I mean Lonin Kurt Russell begins the bidding Val Kilmer

Val Kilmer was such a weird take from stew on Monday Kilmer was his third. Like you could give him. What? Yes, that's where he's top three. Goose. Tombstone. There is no telling what it was. It was great in that movie. His best role.

Still the show in Top Gun Maverick. Yeah. He too is about to come back out with Adam Driver. It's, they're remaking everything. They're remaking American Psycho. Their roadhouses is being remade.ade the directors pissed off because it's only on Amazon and he wanted a theater release He's being quoted road house the remake of road house That have you've done that have you done? Can I just say that the last few times?

I've been here on the show road house has come up. I don't hear it anywhere else in my life except for here. I'm like what? Every couple of weeks for 20 years now. End point break as well. Point break. Speaking of point break, did you guys see that break point? The Netflix show about tennis has not been renewed for another season. Really? Did you watch, Stu? You're probably our resident tennis guy. I watched it one, I watched one episode of one season and it wasn't very good. So you're the reason.

Yeah. I love that our resident tennis guy is just a guy who once returned half of a serve while smoking a cigarette off. It's pretty impressive. From Rylee O'Pelka, yes. That's our resident tennis guy. They tried to do the drive to survive of tennis.

They've done it now with Golf 2, which I've watched all of these shows at this point and none of them quite have been able to get to what made Drive to Survive really hit in 2020 and 2021. And I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I did like the idea of a tennis show, but it was not interesting to me at all. Here's the problem, right? Number one is, drive to survive, what made it successful

is it took people who did not care about this sport and made them invested in it, right? That's number one. And the other ones, all the spin-offs, seem to be preaching to their choirs. If you're a golf fan, I'm sure you love the golf one, but for someone like me who's not interested in golf, it was incredibly boring. Right? Number two, and this one's really big, Dry to Survive had everybody, right? It had all the main characters of Formula One, right? For the most part. For the most part. Yes or no? Well, Max Verstappen wasn't in one of the seasons because he didn't want to participate. Lewis Hamilton wasn't really featured in all of the seasons.

When it started, when it started, it had great buy-in, right? The tennis one, the biggest guy was Nick Kirios. They had the top women's stars in the tennis show. Like, Irina Sabalenka was one of the main stories. Igash Friyatek was one of the main featured people. They also featured a couple players, Zavara was one of them who was accused of domestic violence multiple times, but the show never addressed it.

They just had him on a bunch of episodes and talked about like his life as though there was nothing else happening behind the scenes. And a lot of fans did not like that. It seems to me, correct me if I'm wrong, and this happens all the time in entertainment, is that F1 almost created its sport around its reality series, and then everyone rushed into the breach and says, we'll do one of those, we'll make our sport bigger too, and none of the original magic can be recaptured

because there was something about the original magic that made it special. Well, Julia Alexander at Puck News has an article out actually about Netflix live sports Vulcan chess. Is the title because basically instead of getting the rights, Netflix was building the, quote, drama of sports and trying to do all of these sports adjacent things. So they don't have to pay for the rights, but they get drive to survive. But now there are too many of these. There are too many documentaries about the live thing that the market doesn't really want them and it can't support it. And also, if they're not great, then what are you going

to do? Also, all of these shows do the thing where they replay the montage of the actual match or the race or whatever, but you watch it a year later and it's in slow-mo and it's like, I'd rather just watch a tennis match. I'd rather just watch them play tennis because I'm watching like a slow-mo version of a match that I watched happen a year ago.

I already know who wins. Like this isn't really adding a lot for me. What is the best sport to watch in slow-motion? It's not golf. I don't need to watch slow-mo of a putt. I really don't, I'm good. Football's good when you're like seeing if a first down happened,

like when the ball's reaching across before the knee went down. How about boxing, like a punch to the head where you see like the jaw moving, rocking the sweat, it's flying on. Diving? Diving is pretty fun.

Where you're critiquing it, you're like, let's see where the splash was. How big is the splash? Yeah, I'm like, I could keep my, like, straighter than that. What was that voice? Obnoxious, condescending diver person? Yeah, it's me. That was an impression of me watching people dive.

I did diving in seventh and eighth grade. Really? Yeah, my dad said I looked like a, quote, wet noodle in the air. Were you dressed as Groucho Marx when you did it? No, unfortunately, that was fifth grade Halloween. That's an oddball, joke, ladies and gentlemen. That's oddball, every day but Monday.

Why aren't you looking at the camera? Why are you looking at me? You did the promo toward me in seventh grade camera. You did that. I was looking at the wrong camera. I know when oddball is, you don't need to tell me that. Do it to the, they, I was looking at the wrong camera. I know when Oddball is, you don't need to tell me that. To answer Jess's question though, I think the problem is, it shouldn't, the show should not be for someone who would watch the tennis match.

The show should be for someone who's like, I never watched tennis. Like, oh, but I'm invested. So the perfect example of this, other than Drive Survive, is Welcome to Wrexham, where they built this entire reality show, and you're invested in seeing whether this team makes it to the top or not. But I'm not invested enough to watch like 17th Division English soccer.

I just don't care like that. But I was invested into the show, but what happened was after season one, it was so popular that people actually started following Rexham and giving results and stuff like that. I'd see him on the bottom line on ESPN, I'm like, well, thanks for nothing. Now I'm not gonna watch season two.

They ruined it. I think one of the things that made Drive to Survive work was that it had great characters that people didn't know and then became like huge fans of and were obsessed with. And for whatever reason, the tennis version, it didn't translate and it didn't work. And I don't know if there is like really one reason why, but I do think that tennis fans are bummed because they feel like it was a missed opportunity for the sport to really become more popular and more mainstream. And instead it just kind of fizzled out

after two seasons. I feel like the missed opportunity here is you just throw a based on a true story at the beginning of it, and then you just change the way the matches end so that they better suit your narrative. Ones to board wins Wimbledon. Yeah, because you're not watching, you're like, I already know what happened,

because it's based on a true story, and you don't know what's going to happen. Do you cast actors as the players, or do you let the players play themselves and they just go along with whatever the made-up? Result no the players will be playing themselves. No, no, no, no will not be playing themselves. I meant to say starring Angelina Jolie as Coco Gough Well that Stretch hmm, why is that Hollywood says why is that Billy? What's a stretch? What was that? Was that Hollywood?

That's Hollywood. It's Hollywood. Isn't that obvious? Paul Guillemadier's NICURIOUS. No, please, please get deeper into character. I would love to do this show with you, son. What? With Hollywood? If I may, if I may, Dan.

I'd like to address my favorite starlet, it's Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, baby. You know what, it's Hollywood. Hollywood, we make magic come true. You promise me so much. Oh, I promise you everything. I promise you the world, it's Hollywood. I guarantee you an Oscar, I guarantee you anything.

That mean I'll deliver. But that's Hollywood for you, huh? It's called show business, not show friendship. I've never gotten to see Hollywood. Billy doesn't take me anywhere north of the Miami I took you to get washed last week Hollywood, Florida that was the joke Roy Oh! He's so proud of himself. It's time for Against the Sprint!

And it is brought to you by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Roy Bellamy Kikasaw. Alright we got the Avalanche and the Canucks tonight. The Canucks are 25 and 8 as home favorites this season. But the Avalanche are 2-0 against them this season.

Both of those games were at Colorado and they have a guy named Nathan McKenna who might win the hard trophy this season. He has a 7 game gold streak so far. The Avalanche are road dogs at 1.5. I has a seven game goal streak so far. Do you have a lunch? Are road dogs at one and a half? I'm going with them against the spread. Against the spread! Jessica!

ACC tournament, Dano. Your Clemson Tigers against the Boston College Golden Eagles tonight, late tip. I have Clemson minus seven. One of the best teams in the ACC underrated and that's Charlotte bring us home All right, I have your Detroit pistons over the Toronto Raptors because this might be Taj Gibson's last game

This is for producer Thomas out there. That's a terrible pick. No, they've been two out of their last three with Taj Gibson hashtag rising tide. That's also not Bob Cobb. You can't make a bet in 2024 because of tons of it. It is the spread. I'm with you then. Stu Gotatz here.

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