The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Band or DJ?

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

Stugotz, Pablo, Domonique, and Amin lead the Shipping Container into one of the most heated debates in the history of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz: Wedding Band or Wedding DJ? The discussion gets SO intense that Meadowlark Executive Director of Audio Carl Scott is brought in to join the proceedings. Then, Domonique, Jess, and the crew dive into how unions protect labor in sports and throughout this country as they buck up against management. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunlabel Tarshall with the Stugat's Podcast. So I will die on this hill. I will defend the live music, give me a wedding band over a DJ. I will defend this hill for as long as I live. We were talking earlier in the week about live music at bars, as opposed to a DJ,

and then you jumped in with the wedding. To me, these are two different conversations. At a bar, I'm good with a live band, but at a wedding, give me the DJ. It has to be a good live band. Yes, obviously. give me the DJ. It has to be a good live band. Yes. Oh, yes, obviously. It doesn't matter.

It has to be a good DJ too. There's no band. No, but a DJ can play whatever song he wants to play. He wants to play. He wants to play. I've been to weddings where, you know. Right, but if you have a live band that is not capable of playing all the songs that you want to hear,

then that's a bad live band. Exactly. No, not, that's, I would. They're good and bad of both of these. No, we just focus on what we prefer. No, no, let's start with, let's start with this. Okay. Let's just assume we're talking about good versions, right?

A good live band, a good DJ. We're not talking about the guy who doesn't know what he's doing. We don't talk about the band that sounds terrible. These are good, but even the best live band can't play every song. They don't know it. They don't know the rhythms, the tunes, the lyrics, a DJ can never let you down. As long as you got internet connection, he's always play every song. They don't know it. They don't know the rhythms, the tunes, the lyrics. A DJ can never let you down. As long as you got internet connection,

he's always got every song. How do you feel about a hybrid situation? There's this place down here. I don't know if they still do it because I haven't been in a long time, but there's this place down here called Ball and Chain. And on Friday nights or Saturday nights, they have a DJ that's there.

And then what I assume is the DJ's grandfather, but I don't know who is there playing the drums next to the DJ along with some of the songs. So like the song will come and then he'll get into it and he'll hit the drums and then he'll hit a cowbell from time to time and like it's a crazy environment when that guy's there. He leaves a little early because again he's like in his 80s probably if he's still with us. He haven't been there in a while, but I like the hybrid situation. If you're interested in this old man banging a drum,

you would love a god damn live band. You would love dead and company. Why have we played the white guy's sounder yet? Thank you. How dare you? How dare you racialize my preferences for live music? Pablo, there's not a black man in America. We'll agree with you. That's why. The roots? They'd rather have a DJ too.

I love one, one, one, one! Aren't you part of a live karaoke league? Yeah, you know what? You know what? We don't have in the karaoke league? A live band. Well, you are the live band. what we don't have in the karaoke league? A live band. Well, you are the live band. You are the live band, I mean. There's music being played. What do you guys hire something?

There's a DJ playing the music. Yes, that's cool. Yes, that's cool. I'm team DJ as well. I think the margin for error is much smaller with a DJ who's got a good set list. I think you got to tell the DJ ahead of time. Don't play that

god damn sweet Caroline BS at my party and everything else like just feel out the vibes of the crowd. Doesn't it depend where you are though like in the keys I would like a live band out of DJ. But every bar stew, every single bar you want. I'm going to get a DJ because like everyone else has live music so now I can I can get this in the keys, I'm gonna get a DJ because like, everyone else has live music. So now I can, I can give this audience what they're saying. No, but the keys are all about, it's live music. It's part of the reason you go there. It's like going to Nashville and being like,

I don't wanna hear a singer, a country singer. What do you, what do you, yeah, open that up. Just why I don't go to Nashville. Like this is, this is ridiculous. Like, I have a bad idea. Exactly, maybe it's just not for you. Yeah, I'm not, you guys asked me to come in here

so I can like, try to convince rabbits that carrots are gross. He said this is the most too- America should ever. Yeah, it is, this is stupid. Like, there is no circumstance in which I would choose a live band. So if we're talking live music, we're not talking about the roots or an actual successful band.

You haven't heard Johnny and the demons, the dirty hairs. Does Johnny and the demons, can they play pound town if I ask them to? No, they can. Exactly. And if you are at a reception and you try to have a head time, I just don't understand what type of receptions are parts of your gorgeous. Pablo, you're saying that a reception you don't want at any point for the 999 in 2000. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He's got you there, that's different. That's a party.

Girl, you look good. Back that ass up. The baby's good back bands. A good wedding band can cover mystical. No, okay, no, yes, you're right. And it's amazing. Cover mystical. I just got here.

I just got word to say here. That Carl disagrees with Dominique and a man. Thank you You got a call in here. You have to go. Pablo. You cannot do that two minutes Juvenile two minutes no Now just that NPR thing and then Google it. I just think the problem here is that Tony Carole a place that is famous for a thing that he went for and doesn't like and maybe it just wasn't the right place for this group of guys That's why I'm zeroing in on weddings because weddings is a situation and that was the original statement that Pablo made Yeah, where is it wedding but I'm listening to this guys everyone slow down weddings you want a DJ

Yes, I agree, but when you go to the keys you want live music Of course, okay, so if there is a place where it is better off with live music, that ain't a place for me. Because I have never walked into anywhere where some random dude is playing a guitar and singing and be like, hell yeah, this is where I need to be. It ain't for me, which is fine. That's why I don't know I'm here. It's ridiculous conversation to have. It ain't for me which is fine that's why I don't know I'm here is ridiculous conversation that it ain't for me I shouldn't be in here Carl look you guys are underestimating a good cover band yeah flat out my man it's great for a re-song back in the belly bones yes like I'm

good I heard this is not a good cover band if you're saying they can all come with me all right we're gonna go here's my here's my. There's no way even the best cover band doesn't have a catalog as rich as any DJ with a within and a connection. And that's fair, but you guys are acting as if every DJ is a good DJ. Like you have an internet. If they have internet.

We started with the premise. We don't have to have a good DJ. We started with the premise of, let's go out for that Miami. You'll hear some bad news. We started with the premise of you'll hear some bad we started with the premise that every like the DJ is good the band is good The band can never match a DJ's catalog never in a million years, but it's just about quality It to me is about quality is long as you are I'm taking your ass You're right, but there's something about when the first note of poison hits. You can't recreate that with anybody's when it hits.

When the first note of a song that you want to hear hits, people get up. There is not a wedding in the history of the world where when you hear, girl, you look good. Everybody don't get up in your grandma, mama, torque it in the middle of the floor. She is not doing that to no guitar. What? Guitar. My grandma does believe. What does Tom Jones' guitar, FYI?

Let's start there. But also what makes you believe that there's no band that a guy's gonna get up and say, cash when he's taking over for the $99,000 to $2000. I don't wanna hear some guys say it. It's a rap. I don't, so that's the thing. I don't want to hear some guys say it. It's a rap. I don't want, so that's the thing. I don't want, I want to hear Julian.

I want to hear that Noland's twang. I want to, I don't want some white dude to get on there and say, hey God, now we're taking over for 999 in the 2000s. I don't get, I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. Why is this always like some kind of like, why is the title white now back to the penalty box?

We got the avid brothers play like what did we do it because he's playing a guitar where does it doling piano band up doing piano bar I hate those places take your quests up here the john I'm doing I'm doing no care

never on there just don't place weak Carolina I'm happy yeah that Yeah, that one's a big. DJ band get out of here. Look man, like DJ not so much band, they love playing sweet Caroline. They love, you know why? Cause bands love interaction from the crowd. So they're like, it's an easy song to sing.

Oh my God, no. Just put the microphone out there and it'll sing the song. You don't have to do anything. How about do your job? I mean, exactly. Exactly. Right. Play free bird. job? Yeah, exactly exactly

play free bird It's so mitigator. I got it Lucy's car this morning and she was playing steely Dan the Dan Steely Dan gargles my balls No way that there's a laugh man out there properly covering Pound Town as my man of mean point out. So what starts with current music when it hits it hits. Yeah man. I would like to have all of the avengers there. I don't want you to come in and say, hey, let me look at my catalog. Oh, we got Spidey, we got Thor.

Ooh, we got a little bit of, I don't know the Iron Man. No, give me all of them. I want Black Widow from time to time. Give me black Panther. Let's start with who the hell is going to a wedding and saying, hey, throw that pound town on. Hey, man, let's some crazy weddings recently. You don't need them to ask for the DJ plays in.

No, this is the thing. This is the reason why you guys aren't writing my opinion, because it only works by virtue of you DJing on the Ford DJ. So I'll go play this song. We're saying the best versions of both is the point. If we want to do, so if we take it out of the best versions of both, you lost immediately. No, no, this is why the best versions of both, we win. If we say the worst versions of both, we win, because at least between the changes of

songs, we'll hear good songs. You know, the reason why the best version doesn't work because you guys are always leaning on the idea of saying, hey, can you, you have to request the song. I know. I know. I know. DJ being good, you got to run up to and make him good. You're not listening, Carl.

We're saying a good DJ is one that we do not have to request these things for many cover band does the exact, no, no every song but the DJ does it better because it's the actual song one exact song and two there's no soul in the DJ what it has everybody cares about it that's the whole reason why there's a music

industry what do you mean who cares about it? people doing best get paid because they do it best it's like saying oh who cares about the NBA people who've been out in the street let's go watch it it's the same thing you want to go watch pick up basketball and I want to see Lebron

See no, I can't fall for that simply because you said yourself We're not talking about the roots and why would you choose the roots because they can play every song at the same level or better than the originals Here's a hot thing. It's a great every wedding show that out of here Every wedding should up both Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that a cover band would work out on it. Well, I imagine that all 13 Black people that listen to this show are gonna fire up the tweets and tell you how wrong you are called, Ju-Ju, get his ass. I need Ju-Ju to chime in right now,

it's respectfully. It's a little to you, my brother, but man. Where is he? Fill in the blank after that. Dude, he's working, man. that. Dude, he's working man. He's working, he's working hard. I, I, so I, this is no longer for the show because I imagine we don't have the rights

to any of these things, but during the break, I would like you to find me a YouTube video of a live band that is, that is just crushing it. And I will find him. It comes finding them involved me. Very dark for it. Oh, he's here. I will find a good one and then block me very dark for it. Oh, he's here. I will provide you plenty of versions

of when a beat drops anything off the chronic. When it drops, it changes the mood at the wedding and you don't got that with your tambourine. I'm sorry. I'm going to discredit in this band. You just keep picking the worst bands, harmonica's. Okay. According to this.

Your bass drum is picking the best instrument According to these. Your bass drum. He's picking the best instrument for his argument. Your bass drum. Genius. Cannot recreate a 808. Like it's just it's an entire. Ah, the 808. This is absurd.

You trying to tell me that I want to hear some random live band. Give me some Rick Ross. No. It could never happen. You want a millie? You want a live. A millie, a millie. No! It could never happen. You want a millie? You want a lab? A millie, a millie, a millie.

No, hate you. Rose. Don Lebertard. Pablo leads all of podcasting in reading while smiling. If you listen ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life. Still gots. Coming up next, I'm going to tell you

of the Savannah bananas. I've changed my face. How do you know I'm Savannah bananas? How do you next I'm gonna tell you the Savannah bananas change How do you know I'm smiling that's how I find my vocal range sometimes I just say Savannah bananas This is the down lebathar show with this to got STUGAT! Why does Dominique have my wedding band playing Didgerie Duse? What am I arguing against here? You're not, you're not arguing against me. So is the phone's bagpipes?

I admit it at the top of this that this was a waste of time because once you see it. Boo Boo Zaylas. I'm a... Boo Boo Zaylas. I mean slide whistle. That's pretty good. Boo Boo Boo, that's a good boo Boo. That was a Didgerie Duse. That was a good boo Boo. That was a didgerie Duse. A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a- We, once you said what you said, I knew that it was a waste of time. Like I mentioned, it's like trying to argue with a rabbit that carrots are gross.

No, that's your thing. If a lot of times you think, it's a waste of time conversation because I can't get through to your crazy self. But I think there's a logic behind our argument that's not aesthetics, it's literally unassailable. Another. Your argument is in favor of selecting

whatever you want on the planet. I'm not saying selecting. I'm saying selection. Whether I'm doing the selecting or the DJ is doing the selecting. He has or she has a massive, an endless catalog of music. Whereas the live band has to learn how to play it and learn the lyrics. So if there's a song that's come out in the last month, the chances of even the best live band knowing that song to play it, play it well, know the lyrics, get it down pat, is extremely slim.

And also deliver the lyrics in a way that is enjoyable and not embarrassing. And like there's a reason why different people do different types of music. I don't want to hear Drake doing Rick Ross songs because they don't deliver the same. It just doesn't work. I don't want to hear Rock him trying to do some Megan the Stahlian. It doesn't work, but I'm down with hearing all these people- I just- Individuals song.

I just realized what you guys are. You're a bunch of goddamn musical Samuel Alitos. You're originalists. All you want is the original text, and I'm here for the spirit of the law. That was a terrible, terrible. Who is that meant for? Literally me.

And I hated it. It's Damn When when you guys have a criticovon say from using mystical and juvenile when you have your live bands Do you want your live band to do a version as close to the original song as possible? Are you like just be you and do your version of the law? This is my point I want an artistic interpretation of a song I like, which I've heard in that form one million times before.

There's a reason why you've heard it a million times because you like it. Because that shit slap. Exactly. I cannot argue against music being good. This is not an argument. So why are you arguing against it? I'm not. I mean, you kind of are.

You're like, I know this is an amazing version, but can you give me your shitty interpretation of it? That's what you're saying. It's also, hey, hey person who is willing to do weddings because your music career is not wildly successful. Hey, perform, dance for me. Yeah, sing for me. Yes, go perform a better version of the song

by people who actually have had success in the music industry. Millions of copies sold. You, classist, mother f***. We're saying that. We don't have people performing for us. Nope. You got to do that.

My take was that you should have both. I think that was probably the most classic. No, I'll tell you something that is exactly this money bags over here. Well, let them eat cake. I've never had a wedding so I have no idea how much these things cost. Billy, I've been to the places where, like, there's a DJ, and then there's a person with a live instrument. I've had saxophone. You ever had that one?

That one comes out of saxophone? Yes, it's incredible. But it's incredible because the original version of the song is playing. And then this is just kind of like... The Amplify. The sax guy also does a little too much sometimes. Sometimes.

The song's not about you, buddy. It's a little... Sometimes, yeah. For The sex guy also does a little too much sometimes. Sometimes. Hey, the song's not about you, buddy. It's a little, look at the song's not about you. Sometimes, yeah. For sure. Sometimes they get a real back in, but I do enjoy that.

But the idea of saying, hey, you know what, DJ, why don't you sit this one out? Sex man has it from here? Not man. So I think that also the problem is, what is your goal for your reception? And maybe you guys have been the different receptions, but reception is supposed to devolve into a real like nightclub party.

Dance, dance, dance. I wanna dance. Okay, so name the, name the crack in ass nightclub that has a live band. That's not, I mean, they hardly are getting concerts now. You're saying concerts, they have dance parties. The thing is a concert has the people that actually are getting paid.

So, I got it. I got it. It's about condescending towards the working position. Listen, listen, listen Pablo. They should have a union. These musicians, I want to leave it for them. No, and you know what the union had? If I was executive director of their union,

I would say, you know what, we got to stop doing weddings, guys. It's a bad look. You turning my wedding band into goddamn Derek Henry. Hey guys, you know what? We got, yes, you know Derek Henry, he lives in Nashville. Let's all go there because they seem to like this foolishness. This is one of the worst arguments you've tried to make in your life, man. Live music good. Yeah. You guys are real so absolute that there aren't any with the dance out there that weddings. Like that's wild.

You said that I'm arguing against concerts. I'm not. A concert is where you buy money to see specific people, and your reason why you are there is not to dance, but to watch them perform on the stage. A wedding or a club or a party is where you are there to dance with each other. If you are able to get the roots, I can see you can get the roots, then I'll buy all means. But the roots are not planned, you're funky ass wedding.

I mean, not with that attitude, they're not. With that budget, either. Bags. Well, Pablo has a 2-2, so. It's a 2-2? 2 baths? Damn. Wow Wow I thought it was too bedroom. I didn't know two bats. Wow. It's one on sweet. Yes. Oh

How many closets? I'm so scared walkin. Oh He has to count his Using his fingers. Your daughter has a walkin. My daughter is better closets than I do using his fingers. Your daughter has a walk in. My daughter has better closets than I do. Closet. So the most recent episode of how to with John Wilson, which we referenced earlier this week deals with the noise level in New York essentially, and he eventually goes to a place in West Virginia,

which is supposed to be the quietest place on earth and people with electromagnetic hypersensitivity go there to escape Wi-Fi and electronics. And all these things that they say make them sick. But while he's in New York talking to people that live in noisy apartments, one of the funniest scenes I've seen in the show, he is talking to these two young men who live in an apartment right next to the Myrtle Broadway stop on the, I guess that's the seven. I don't know which train is that Pablo. I don't know.

I haven't been in New York in a while, but they're right next to a train of subway above ground. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for the verbal acknowledgement. Thank you. They're right next to the subway tracks. And the train is going past their window

and they can see out onto the platform. And they're like, I level with people getting on and off the train. So that should give you some indication of how loud it is. And John Wilson asks them, do you think you got a discount on your rent because of how loud it is? And the guy goes, yeah, I think we got really lucky. And that is what renting an apartment in New York City is like.

It is. It is. It is. It is. It is the sound of a train going by. That was really kind of you, I mean. No, I appreciate that. Some people don't know, because they live in West Virginia,

and it's like electromagnetic stuff. Oh no, I was saying what you did for Jess was really kind of me. Jess took us on a long journey. Up to seven train, or maybe? Maybe not. Maybe not to hear the sound of a train when they could just hear a mean do the sound of a train. Exactly.

It's a great show, sound of the train. Exactly. It's a great show. Everyone should watch it. It's excellent actually. Pablo is the only person who has also seen it, which is why I thought he would, you know, have some back-and-forth train. I had nothing for you on the train though. Yeah, I got nothing.

The point is living in New York, very difficult, very noisy, very hard. I mean, you don't miss anything about New York, living in New York. I miss a lot of stuff. I miss that. You love this. I mean, love't miss anything about New York living in New York. I miss a lot of stuff I miss you love this I mean loves a smell of subway grace. Oh my god But this is why Pablo is a king because he's got a two-two with several closets Yeah, well people are like yeah, we're, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got,

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Wait, you mean they don't have to sing it live every single time? No, no, no, you would, that's the way you do it. You know what I just read, man, but only certain people would be able to play that. Oh, no, no, no, you're that's antiquated. You know what I just read, that's what I said. But only certain people would be able to play that right. Oh, no, no, no. Everybody.

You know what would be even better? It's better or it's tiresome. You know what would be even better than listening to you guys try to have a conversation is playing a recording of a better conversation. That would be a good idea. This one has kind of gotten its path. International players, I have them.

You're not Pablo. You say that no wedding bands band cover UGK. They better not. Congratulations. Congratulations. You just had to see it. I'm rebuilding my credibility one bedroom at a time. What's the best verse on that song?

It's easy. It's easy. I feel like every answer I give is going to be the wrong answer. No, it's only one answer. It's only one answer. It's the only one you're thinking. Yeah. No, give them, let them off the hook, guys, because he doesn't know any of the verses. It's the first one. It's the one you're thinking. Yeah. Yeah. It's no game. No, let them off the hook guys because he doesn't know any

the first one. It doesn't even know the versus. You think I don't know. Get him stars first. I get him started to international players at them. So I typed the text. Remember that? Yes. To a girl I used to see. Yes. Then I see see every girl that's CC round town. Oh, it's such a great first. That's the one. I know the song doesn't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I have no idea what international players Antimits. Yeah, no, we're not saying that. We're saying that you heard it and you tried to you try to flex your your Blossoms hold on with you decay. I know it's going to be a hold on. I know it's going to assault. I know what's going on I know what's going on here. You guys are judging him and expecting him to know what verse you're talking about when every time He's heard it. It's been a live band playing. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's Andre 3000

He starts it. It's before the song even starts and and apparently Who was the one who produced the song it was? Three six. Yeah, no, it was a project pack It was it was it was juicy. I was it was a project pack. It was a... Juicy, it was juicy. Juicy J was upset because Andre put his verse in before the beat drop in Juicy was like, I saw that YouTube video.

Yeah, no. Pablo, the thing is, if you had yes-and-did, what I was saying, we could have sacked away this entire conversation that is now humiliating you again. I have not been humiliated. I just refused to be a pawn in a conversation which I have to prove my cultural. I have not been humiliated. I just refuse to be a pawn in a conversation which I have to prove my cultural.

I am not owned, do not write that I was owned. The law, you have not lost a corn cup. We've established you have tiny blossoms. Blussels, how dare you? The live version just kind of plays instruments for the whole intro there. And then the lead singer poorly does the Pimsy verse. My f*** is choosy.

You know what I feel like? Like I don't know what I feel like. I feel like a bit of an island. Not a peninsula maybe. No man, it's an island. Is that enough? That's close. I'll get it close.

One more. Like one more far. Why am I being quizzed by a first off for the audience? Dominique and Tony are both standing just in this. I'm going to take a quiz. Very intense.

Oh, man, I'm proud of you, Paul. Good job, buddy. Thanks, Dominique. Got me a name all of the black people in that wedding band I hired. Oh, man. Let's just sit here, let him soak in that. Make some sense. Is it like a mirror and black dog? Black dog?

Questlove? Yeah. A mirror, yeah. We call him a mirror. Don Lebertard. Well, my point about Jimbo Fisher is that, and it's Sabin, he's been trying to cancel me for saying that Mrs. Met has cake and Bobby Bond would have said Mrs. Met she has snatched Stugats Damn, I never pay for a player. Now I would pay for Mrs. Med to give me a lap dance VCC Don't Liberty Show with this Stugats I feel obligated to promote the Dominique Fox for the show Don't start Dominique Fox for it

I do not, I am not out here begging like you That's not something I'm even but my lover so you've been reading lyrics ever tweet That's what you think I've been doing Never I just make a good show and people talk about it. I interview Kurt Warner. It's really good. It's actually really good Yeah, and people find it. I don't need you promoting it. I don Kurt Warner. It's really good, it's actually really good. Yeah, and people will find it. I don't need you promoting it, I don't need signs.

I do need signs. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners.

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I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I don't need to show our partners. I got the money. Are you worried about the abbreviation of your show? P-T-F-O. Yeah. Because it stands for- P-E-F. No bleeps out. Yeah, a little bit now.

A little bit now. Was I on purpose? Yes, like the whole- Is it like the whole- The whole- The whole sort of implication is, I'm f***ing around and finding out, I am in fact passing the f*** out. These are all illusions I'm making. To undercut the fact that I'm f***ing around him finding out. I am, in fact, passing the f*** out. These are all illusions I'm making.

To undercut the fact that I'm a guy who compared people to Samuel Alito in an argument. I just realized that my show acronym, I've never used it before, but it's Daily Fantasy, some PFS. Oh, PFS, yeah, PFS, isn't that like Daily Fantasy? DFS? I mean, PFS, I'm thinking about it.

We'd have to know what your show's called to. D.F.S. Wow. The Dominique Fox World Show. It's kind of easy to remember. Wow. Someone's getting frisky. I just realized Goliath and Smetties initials are gas.

That's dope. That's pretty good. I'm gonna put that on a hat. I like it. Gas. Also, like, my co-host is 60, so it could be taken as like, we have gas. Yeah.

Like, flatulence? He's for gas bags. I just want to talk about how hot your co-host is every time you mention them. I'll be honest. It's pretty hot. I've talked to him a bunch about whenever we talk, it's about union stuff, because he was active

in the union. And he's one of the guys who has had success post-career so he's connected with the guys who didn't quite make the money but made the sacrifices but he's in a... I got the money, don't worry about it. But he's in a better situation than most of them so it's interesting to have the conversation with them. He's a lot more level headed I think.

But for being honest about it, we talked about it a little bit earlier in the week. When you are like a pioneer and you are making the sacrifices and you're pushing forward something, in this case, it's like free agency or player rights and player health insurance and pensions and all that stuff. No one who was pushing for those things ever benefits from them. And you don't know that when you're doing it. Right. And whose responsibility is it, or is it the responsibility of the current membership

to reach back and address the inequities? This is one of the most fascinating parts about the job you used to do, and the job you still care about, obviously, which is that you need to want things in your capacity as union leader, more than the people who you are trying to persuade want it for themselves.

And the real challenging thing about the idea of giving back, which we always did, but it's never quite enough, is we are being, frankly, the current players are operating under a salary cap system and operating under a rookie pay system that is reducing their salary. So they still are not fully, many of them still aren't fully realizing their value.

And they deserve that and more, but then to ask them to make concessions to give back feels wrong, but to not acknowledge that the people who like endured the pain to get you here also feels wrong. But the same problem doesn't exist on the other side because you know what? If I sacrifice now, if I own my team for 40 years,

if I sacrifice now, you know who's gonna benefit me? And if I don't benefit, you know who's gonna benefit? My son are doing it. Many may. Yeah, who takes on the team. It goes to the crux of the issue with union unions, I guess everywhere, but particularly in sports, is there's a real power asymmetry.

And so many people who talk about capitalism or talk about sports unions. They wipe their hands of the inequity by saying well They collectively bargain did without acknowledging that their weight classes for a reason and we're not in the same weight class Despite the fact that we're expected to fight for the same things and then we're supposed to say well You're negotiated for it. No, we we use what leverage and power that we had in a situation to get what we could get. It doesn't mean it's fair, but if we throw you in a room with someone who's twice your size and MMA trained and say, the winner of this gets a million dollars

and you get your ass kicked and then you're upset because you can't feed your family. Say, you fought for it and no one's ever gonna accept that as a possibility, but in these cases, they're like, I heard this with the running back thing for a time. It's collectively bargained. Yeah, it's, you bargained for it. This is what you're gonna go to if you're gonna take it.

You entered the ring. And you hope that like the next agreement fixes some of those problems, but sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the power swings back and forth. And you mentioned like sports unions. I've been part of two non sports team unions or sports league unions that have the exact same problems.

And I found that a lot of the attitudes that people have from it just comes from like general public misinformation, distrust, and just attitudes about something that has not been as popular in our generation as it was like two generations ago. And it's super unfortunate. It's why I think it's super important to talk about it openly and to have former players especially be honest about what the whole thing's about. Because people just like, I just think that there's so much misinformation out there and I think that's super intentional.

Well, I also think that it's kind of the only venue where America actually will even hear these conversations. I mean, the strike in Hollywood is a recent example, but in general, annually, the place you hear about labor issues is in sports. I mean, it all goes back to kind of the kind of capitalism, I guess, in some ways, because we all are guilty of it in some ways where we accept the belief that it's meritocratic, like the world, and like, if you haven't reached success, you know, how you can reach that success, work harder.

Try harder, yeah. Maybe you should pull on those bootstraps. Yeah, and which is absurd. But, and also the idea that a handout is like something you should be ashamed of, and that no one should take, like having judgment for people who like participate in any government subsidies, is like something wrong with them, they failed in some way,

but like that's the whole point of a society. And I think society at large, I think you're right. The microcosm for society is sports, but it's really hard when the athletes that we talk about most are both wealthier than most of us. Yes. And blacker than most of the people who are watching it, I think that complicates it also when you're looking,

you're like, hey, this 25 year old has more money than I had when I was 25. So bleep him and then you end up think somehow aligning yourself with someone else in this equation who is not at all like you and doesn't give a shit about you. Right, I mean, there's always the aspect of the messenger being a very conveniently unrelatable messenger not at all like you and doesn't give a shit about you. Right. I mean, there's always the aspect of the messenger being a very conveniently, unrelatable messenger

in all of those ways. It's also convenient to declare as your person who is sort of, you know, championing the outcome of this being fair because of a collectively bargain process. It's convenient to say this is how capitalism works when a lot of the collective bargaining results in the winners negotiating socialism for themselves. Yeah, socialism's endomannoppally.

Like they're allowed to collude essentially and work as a cartel because the union exists and that's a whole nother ball of wax. But I mean, I think societally it's important in this conversation, it's important, but it's something that won't change. And I don't know, it just, it frustrates me and disappoints me. I don't want to take Dan's show away. Oh, here's, here's the place where I do want to be actually, this is probably more Dan's show than it really is. Let's talk about. I feel like no, Dan's show would be like, now we get a, a management person to come and talk about why it's bad. Call up David Sampson so I can beat him down with my brain.

But let me ask you a question that I think reflects management thinking because you already alluded to it. This fight is never gonna be fair. And so the idea that running a union is anything but getting into a ring to be body slammed by a giant, why should there be optimism? Like why is this a worthwhile pursuit given that that's the end game? Well, because it's the only course you have.

And I think if we talk about like the death of upward mobility in America, it's a similar thing where we convince ourselves in with the players. All the players are of the belief that it's going similar thing where we convince ourselves and with the players, all the players are of the belief that it's going to work out for them. And it worked out for me, barely, but for most players, it does not work out for them. And we don't hear those stories, but I've talked to you plenty of times about this where there's so many times in my life from the time I was like in the eighth grade all the way to the time that I signed my second contract.

I made decisions that narrowed my possibility for success. So the major I've chosen college is an example of it. The activities that I chose to do in the off season or in spring or in summer is an example of it. Like the school that I chose to go to is an example of. Those are all examples. And then choosing to go and play for the Broncos when I got drafted them and not starting a job somewhere else is an example of it.

So it's narrowing your opportunities. And for most people, after four years, your league minimum salary goes up. And at that point, if you haven't distinguished yourself as above average, like worth the price, they'll go get someone again who's cheaper. And then you are put out on in the world with a couple hundred thousand dollars,

which is nothing to see that, but no relevant experience to do anything, no relationships, no understanding of this. Like you have the skills that will allow you to be a bouncer. And then like when you were supposed to be taking stats in this college, you weren't taking stats because you didn't have to. And that would make it harder for you to be eligible.

And so it's just a tough situation and no one ever feels sorry for the players, not that they should feel sorry for the players, but it's tough for me to look at that situation. And then look at how our country operates and not understand how people can't see who they are in this situation. It's like you're the same where we are a nation of running backs that believes that we're owners. Yes, I was going to say quarterbacks, but you're right. No, we are the story of every business is a replaceability.

Is this brass ring that's like you got to get to that second contract. You're going to be a superstar. We all think we're going to be superstars. Correct. Most of them are not. And it's the same thing out here in the world. It's like everyone is like, don't worry. Let's keep those taxes low or billionaires. Cause one day I'ma be that billionaire.

No. It reminds me of it. It kind of reminds me how deep down I think we all kind of think if we were to get into like a car crash we would like somehow ninja barrel roll our way out. I mean, I would though. He's right. Man, I would put my abs up, and they would deflect

all the shards of glass. Yeah. Dominique actually does have the confidence of a person who thinks that he can escape near-death situations by just flexing out of them. I play professional football. I perpetually escaped near-death situations. Surprise, you actually played live football

and didn't just have it on like a replay and just watched like a replay of it. Right. Video games. Why do we even have the NFL anymore? We should just play mad and watch better. No much better. Yeah.

Remember that time we tried to play FIFA? Well, you tried to play FIFA. I played FIFA. This man was tall. Every time Pablo, see, he talks about my confidence. Pablo bragged about how good he was at ping pong for years. Then we were in Boston at the Sloan Conference. I destroyed him time after time in ping pong.

Then he talked about how good he was at FIFA. So we are playing FIFA in New York, his New York apartment. Well, it took us a while to figure out how to turn it on. That's a whole other story. That was the story I was alluding to. Yeah, but again, destroyed him in that. Pablo, we should have a read off. You could win that. We were very stoned. What else is new?