The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Can David Samson Get an Amen? (feat. Gary Owen)

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Gary Owen tells us how he won a Funniest Black Comedian contest in San Diego, and Dan somehow gets worse at teeing up questions for comics. Plus, we celebrate David Samson's incredible revelation that he gave a sermon at a Black church on the latest episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and it's five shows Dania this weekend June 6 through the 8th. Where are you right now? You're on the grind. You've got a two-year-old You've got teenagers. You're still out here fighting on the comedy grind near Dania in a hotel that looks Swank you're living good, but you're on the grind. Good to see you Gary. Thank you for making the time No, thanks for having me. I'm in Seattle right now. You're in Seattle. but you're on the grind. Good to see you, Gary. Thank you for making the time. No, thanks for having me. I'm in Seattle right now. You're in Seattle?

Yeah, I'm in Seattle. And I'm in Tuscaloosa tomorrow. And then I'm in Dania this weekend. That's not a great direct flight situation. Seattle, Tuscaloosa. What's a direct flight situation looking like? What is happening there? This seems inefficient.

The tour goes through Chicago, Kansas City Charlotte Atlanta Washington DC But Seattle Tuscaloosa, Dania seems like bad that seems no good. It's a lot. I ain't gonna lie It's a lot. I do I do a podcast with another comedian called Nate Jack His name is Nate Jackson and I come out here once a month and we do I come out here for three days And we record for the whole month So that's what I'm doing in Seattle right now How do you feel when you do meet the blacks or ride along or think like a man when you're doing the movies? Does it give you the same kind of fulfillment that the tour does now stand-ups?

It's so immediate whereas the when you're doing the movies You're you know, you're not getting the reaction until nine months later when it comes out. So whenever you're doing a movie, you're almost looking at the grips and the camera guys to give you the okay. Because the actors aren't going to do it during the scene. So you're looking for the guy holding the boom mic to give you a little chuckle sometimes. Okay.

So you're saying the reward is the laughter. Yeah, for sure. And so acting is just something to do on the side that does what for you? Build your stand-up fan base. Okay, so that's what it is. Okay, it's a means to an end then. It's work that allows the comedy to live

because making a life at this on laughter is pretty hard no matter what your age is. I don't think people understand what a grind it is. I always tell people the hardest part about my job is the travel. The stand-up is the easy part at this point. Now I'm kind of like almost in my yote years. Like I got it, I can work with any crowd, but the, yeah, like you said,

the flying and the travel is the grind, but you know, I am staying at decent hotels, not flying Spirit, so it's not that bad. Okay, so can you? Spirit's safe, there have been no fatalities. We've talked about this a number of times, Gary. Everybody is out here crapping on Spirit.

They've never crashed. I'm talking about comfort, I'm not talking about death. Okay, good, Gary, I'm just saying. Some Spirit deniers out here. There's no first class Spirit. If the standard is not dying, spirits got you. So airlines don't, to be fair. Can you put us next to you whenever

it is that you found out that Ebony Magazine had proclaimed you Black America's favorite white comedian? Can you take us through whatever that story is, please? No, one of the editors called me and I guess I guess I don't know how I got that title but it was because my first TV appearance was was on BET and then Almost every movie I've done had a black lead actor So I became like I became black people's guy as far as white people goes Okay, but it's I don't know what these quote marks are doing

It doesn't sound like you've given this a lot of thought because it was at the BET doc you serious I mean you did have you you had a reality show right like No, we pitched it to all the networks BET bought it We went to everybody The beat he bought the show. So I'm like, yeah, I would have went on Telemundo if I spoke Spanish. But that,

where does that show rank in terms of giving you, I mean, it's such an unusual thing you have. All comedians are looking for a lane. Where do I find my constituency? Where are my customers that are going to be with me for decades? Because, because whatever they ride with me over 25 years of comedy, like for is it a it's a happy accident that you ended up being popular to black America?

Well, you know, I was in the Navy, and I was in San Diego. And I was listening to the radio station called Z 90. It was a hip hop station. And they said, we're looking for the funniest black comedian in San Diego. So I entered and I won it. And so once I wanted that got me auditioned for Comic View and then that got me on BET. So when you're early in your career,

you're just trying to get on TV and you don't choose your audience, they choose you. So I just kinda, my first couple breaks was on black entertainment television, so I just kinda ran with it. I'm sorry, did I misunderstand you? Did you win a funniest black comedians contest? Oh yeah, but it was San Diego.

It's not like it was Brooklyn. But wait a minute. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. How? It's an important distinction he made. Okay, but what was the competition? It wasn't too stiff.

San Diego, not New York. What do you got, Tony Gwyn? But were you the only white guy? Oh, we got Tony Gwyn and Natron Means. Careful, Dan's gonna ask you for more. No, I am gonna ask him for more. You know me so well. What are the after effects of the docu-series, the Gary Owen show?

Like when you look back on that as a piece of work in your life and what it is you were trying to achieve with it, how close did it come to being what you imagined? I guess I didn't put too much thought into it. It was cool. We didn't put too much thought into it. It was cool.

We didn't break the curse. Everybody, when we got the show, we said, don't do reality TV, everybody gets divorced. Yeah, we didn't break that curse because we got divorced a couple years later. That's universal, that advice everyone gives you on the front end. That's what everybody says if you go to social media like

yelled if you do reality TV. Everybody ends up broken up or divorce eventually and yeah we we kept that street going. Well, but it seems invasive it seems like there's no way to not have a private life if you've always got cameras around it seems impossible for a for a relationship that's navigating that kind of fame and attention to not break like or be threatened because just people are around all the time.

Well, let me tell you something. Those producers are good. They're like, cause my ex-wife, she was like, oh, they're not coming in our bedroom. They're not recording our bedroom. Day one, they was like, we gotta be in the bedroom. And they were in the bedroom. I was like, how'd this happen?

That was like her big thing when we pitched the show, like, they're not gonna be in the bedroom. I was like, how'd this happen? That was like her big thing when we pitched the show, like they're not gonna be in our bedroom. That's gonna be our sanctuary, our private area. But somehow they got in there. Do you have a pop culture topic that everyone's seeking your opinion on these days? Any question that you're getting about what's happening in the news

that is about one subject matter more than another? I mean, everybody's asking about bitty. That's, that's the big one right now. And you just do what with that? I can't say it on your show. Sure you can. You do, but you do a private show. You do a private show for all of the people. This is network TV, right?

I mean, no, not network. Network is subject to FCC fines where we're totally good. We let it run. Billy was calling me a star earlier. Oh, my bad. Yeah, my biggest thing is like, it's nice to know that his penis is like a Tootsie roll because so far black guys have all had just huge dicks.

So it's nice to know we're on the other side of it a little bit. There's balance. Dan, you don't get to make that face. He warned me. Dan's question was like, hey, what's the pop culture thing everybody's asking you? All right, talk about that. Everyone's mind went to Diddy, right? When Dan brought up the question. We're like, okay, you're asking him about Diddy.

And your opinion on... Just ask him about Diddy. I, well, but I didn't know whether it would be Belichick. I didn't know whether it would be Kendrick Lamar's tour I don't know what he I could how could I possibly know the thing that everyone's asking him about you don't get to make the Face and you don't get to be like well that's right people talk about his little pecker No, but that's not you think I was seeking that as his answer Everybody is asking you about, and then you're like,

Kendrick Lamar's tour. What are you talking about? There are other choices. There are other choices he could be making. Kendrick Lamar's tour. You're gonna pull that one from him. I never heard about terrorists, Gary. See now, old man.

Over 20 years, I didn't think you could get worse at tossing things up to comedians, but yet here we are. Did he follow up or no? Did he follow up? His new comedy special, Gary Owen No S is available now exclusively on Mint Comedy. If you want upcoming dates and tickets, garyowen.live is where you go.

After 30 years or 25 years, I don't actually know what the number is. Why is this comedy special special to you? Uh, it's crazy how this comedy special came about because I was recording my last one, broken family. And you know, when you do comedy shows, you'll you'll do a couple of episodes that edit them together. And we record that Friday and I said, are we good? We get that in the can. They go, yeah, I go, I think I got another hour.

So then we recorded this one on Saturday so this one was more like just spur the moment kind of winging it a little bit so it came out kind of dope I was actually kind of excited because comedians when you get a special you work so hard for that hour this one just came about so oh so it didn't take like a year of work and crafting you were able to release something into the wild without having to suffer it the way you normally might. Like it was easier? It was easier? Yeah, it was kind of dope.

It's almost like a freestyle rap a little bit. Oh, that must've felt good to not have it be a tortured exercise where you get tired of your own act on the way to making it. Yeah, right? Yeah, I would think so. But to have it meet your standard is the tough thing, right, like to be unforgiving enough in what it is that you're making to not have to obsessively

crush it with however it is you sculpt these things. Well, you do your hour and you're cutting and pasting the whole time for the year getting ready. But this one was like all the stuff we were cutting. I go, ah, some of that stuff's still funny. So this is like, oh, we still got so much leftover, let's piece it together. And not just, it has to make sense

because you got callbacks and things like that. So it was kind of a, just recording it, it felt like, oh man, this is coming together nicely without any pre-production or planning. Roy, can you play for us please, the late Bob Saget telling us his said status stand-up story and we will ask gary owen to recall a time that he had to perform in a sad venue but let's hear from the late bob saget first we were three comedians the misgivings strip club and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and two guys would do like two bros. And the other guy, the other comic was just in the trailer

with the strippers all weekend. So, and so they were gonna introduce me and there's a stripper on stage and she had pie pans over her chest, two pie pans, and then another one lower in her lower region with matches, literally just matches paper matches scotch tape to the pie pans and then she lights them not even sparklers you know just matches just she has she lights the top pie pans and she lights the bottom

pie pan and then she blows herself out and then literally blows yourself out and goes ladies and gentlemen, Bob Saget. Surely you don't have a story quite that good. Can't top it. I can't top that. It's another bad setup for a comedian. Yeah, totally unfair by me. What's the saddest place you perform though? You gotta have something. That's better. What's the saddest place you perform, though? You got to have something.

That's better. I think in the beginning, there was there used to have a funny bone at Evansville, Indiana, and like nobody laughed the whole weekend. They didn't laugh at the whole weekend. That's not great for a comedian. It was awful. It was like they just but they didn't boo. And they didn't, they just sat there.

It's indifferent. At first, I really get booed. Like it was four shows of just guys in John Deere hats with their arms on their knees. It must have been a rough week for Evansville. I don't know. Well, let me tell you something. The only reaction I got all weekend was by Saturday the Late Show,

I just went, hey guys, this is all we got. We haven't got a laugh all weekend. Later the cable guy's not walking through those doors. And this dude stood up, he's like, whoa, whoa, those are big shoes to feel, buddy. Like, oh, you guys are alive, you are alive. New comedy special, Gary Owen No- No S available exclusively on Mint Comedy. Go to GaryOwen.live for upcoming dates and tickets.

As I mentioned, he's got Chicago, Kansas City, Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington, and June 6th through the 8th, five shows. Dania, from Seattle to Dania, the way that all the comics do it. Thank you, Gary. Appreciate you guys. Thank you, Gary. Appreciate it, guys. Folks, listen up. It's an interesting time for business. Tariff, trade policies, changing by the hour,

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locking in on yeah right let's drop the gloves pal you should be thanking me for what every day for what I've done around this character and the second shit gets real for you, you want to come at me and call me a fool? Huh? No, no, no, seriously. Jeremy, Jeremy just whispered. Seriously, pal.

I've added ten years to your career. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. We've got boldest take to get to here. Great. Here you go. Yes, thank you. Was waiting for that since the start. We've got Boldest Take to get to here. Great. Yes, thank you. Was waiting for that since the start. I want to get to Boldest Take and I also want to tell people that we've got a couple of

watch parties. Actually, over the next week, we're going to have three sort of pop-up things, right? Because we're going to pop up as a show for one of these finals games, at least in the NBA. Roy, what are you doing with the hockey show and Dwork and Rose and who else is involved with these Dwork festivities? On Friday we got game two. We're going to do a live stream much like MMA Hank out there's their live stream. It's going to be at the Dead Flamingo. So that's going to be a lot of fun. Coming out, it with that one. So come on out

What was that said come on out watch? No, but the dead what dead flamingo dead flamingo formerly known as casa tiki Not that flamingo. Hey, okay, and Tony. What are you doing this Saturday night? Dan oh UFC 316 the rematch for versus marabda Walsh veely and Sean O'Malley and we're gonna have Kayla Harrison versus Julianne opinionena for the Bantamweight Women's Championship. A very exciting night of fights. Greg Cody you will be there. It's a strong possibility. Alright. Dead Flamingo Saturday night possibly a Mike Ryan appearance. Yeah Sean O'Malley that's a rematch right? So I'm excited about this one. Great card. We'll be there 10 o'clock start for your time. I felt if you're a listener and you show up to both watch parties this weekend

You get to go to lunch with Dan at a later date You just sleep over just stay the whole night at you know, definitely go and then start up for MMA hangout after Tom subject to change usually Billy that does this that's your EP Dan. I was joking you're not going to lunch with Dan But at least you didn't interrupt me in order to do it good good joke though Yeah, great joke Except that the last time you guys promised that I ended up watching The March Madness we didn't promise that was a sales thing. Okay. Well all of you are in cahoots That was Billy's idea

Approved that idea. I know it's supposed to be a bigger idea. we couldn't sell it. Well don't push back on the fact that you conceptualized, you conceptualized, he agreed. It was a better idea when I presented it. We couldn't sell it. Okay, see now our business is in people's face and I knew that was going to happen and thank you for nothing. Sorry about that. No, please, no, great at being. It's why it's a Wild Billy Wednesday, but at least you didn't interrupt me to get it in there. That's the best part of it. Like the best before you get into. Yeah, I don't remember which the third watch party, the third watch party. I wasn't going to the third.

Well, you should because they're a partner. Yeah, you should. You should be at every one. Love the third watch party. Yeah. Yes. A FIFA Club World Cup watch party. Saturday, June 14th. Yes. Grails in Miami. Then we'll be there. That's a fourth watch party because Dan said there was a pop up for the finals. There is a fourth watch party, because Dan said there was a pop-up for the finals too. There is a fourth one out there. This one is presented by Boost Mobile and Draft Kings.

It's in Miami kicking off the Club World Cup, which I actually think is going to be sneaky awesome. What's the Club World Cup? It's the FIFA Club World Cup. Instead of countries, it's clubs. It's the first time they're doing this. It's a World Cup, but instead of countries, as Tony pointed to, it's some of the best clubs on the planet.. It's a World Cup set of countries, as Tony pointed to.

It's some of the best clubs on the planet. You know, you get to see Champions League, and that determines the champions of Europe. Occasionally you'll get to see like four of the qualifying regions, and the top teams play one another for a club World Cup. This time we're actually doing a real World Cup style tournament with clubs that have qualified

over the course of four years to truly determine which is the best club soccer team on the planet. I'll be present at the girls' watch party. Very exciting. But Cody gave you a very insincere, very possible, or very probable, and Roy laughed, braying laughter in his face, like a mule eating briars.

Yeah. Roy was laughing in his face. It's a possibility. It's a possibility. That's all I said. That's all it was.. It's a possibility. It's a possibility. That's all I said. That's all I was. It's not a possibility. It's a possibility.

I don't believe he will think of it again. Let's put a percentage. I gotta check with my staff, you know, see what my schedule looks like. Put a percentage on it. Put a percentage on it. Somewhere between four and 70. But he's a senile old man.

Inter-Miami's got no shot at winning this. But if they were, if they were to win this, it would be the biggest honor ever bestowed on a club. They'd be the inaugural champion and you get to see where they stack up against the world's elite. You're going to have dream matchups. LAFC just qualified over Club America. You get LAFC in Atlanta against Chelsea FC. Like you have real huge dream matchups. And the cool thing is the prize pool is such that these teams are going for it.

Anytime you see these teams from Europe travel across the pond and do their summer tours, they're getting rotational guys in, developmental guys in. No, they're actually making signings for this. You're gonna see Trent Alexander Arnold in a Real Madrid shirt. You're gonna get to see the best, the cream of the crop. And they're gonna match up against some MLS teams that are in season. So it You're gonna get to see the best, the cream of the crop,

and they're gonna match up against some MLS teams that are in season. So it'll be really interesting to see where a team like Inter Miami stacks up, not just against the Al-Ali's of the world, but against some of the top teams in Brazil, if they advance and get to the knockout rounds. You see rematches of Messi

versus one of his former European clubs. It's incredible. Yeah, I was shocked to look at the betting odds for all 32 teams. I thought because of Lionel Messi alone that they would be higher in regard than they are but they're middle of the pack. You know they are just strictly... That's actually quite flattering that they're middle of the pack. And actually the the Egyptian club that they're playing you know this is the first year that the FIFA Club World Cup has been a full tournament with 32 teams but the the tournament actually has its lineage to the early 2000s, but the

thing is they always used to only play with seven clubs, and so it was a very minor deal. It didn't nearly have the stature and the attention. That feels like a back in my day. Anytime you say they only used to play with seven clubs, that sounds like a back in my day. Most people didn't even know this thing was going on. It would happen in the middle of the year usually somewhere in the Middle East and some of the upper-echelon clubs would kind of join in progress. This you actually get to see who is the

best club in the world presently. They get to tout that for four years because this is a World Cup style knockout tournament. Yep really looking forward to it and also the first the firstMiami match at Hard Rock Stadium, super interested to see whether they fill that place. You will not be at Tony's thing. I don't believe there's possibility. I don't think it's well below 4%. It could happen. You know what? I will bet you a thousand dollars it doesn't happen. Okay. Greg, you go 50-50. Yeah, Tony, I'll be there for about like five minutes That's fine get my money from Dan then I'm out of that

You just saw thousand dollars laying on the floor Greg Cody will travel many a mile to pick up that thousand dollars He didn't put any parameters on it. No parameters. If I show up I get 1k from this guy I'm 50-50 me. Where's it at? It'll be in a trash bag that Dan got at the bank the other day. Decadent Go, formerly known as Casatigi. It has to be real support offered as part of the MMA coverage to work with Tony as part of the celebration. It's not an appearance fee to appear and take the $1,000. Backtracking it. It's for a night of work.

Look at this guy. It's for a night of work. Wilson on his back. You don't get to make it a drive-through where you just that's what you said if you know I'll give you a thousand dollars Greg comes on he says a couple of things he talks about some of the fighters big bamboo that kind of thing He's out of it. You know he doesn't know what time these cards start. He won't make it He doesn't he m is the first is the first fight. I'm there man. I'll be there at 1001 doing that's on Saturday

You're not by 10. Saturday. You're not driving. Well see, you know, see Chris, you know that we're sending him out to the faces of a crime. Yeah, but a thousand dollars might be the number. It might, it's big enough that that might be the number. If he wants to work that evening, again, it's a bet of a thousand dollars. So now he has to show up or he owes me a thousand dollars. No, no, no no no no no You said and you can roll the tape or whatever the internet He said I'll bet you a thousand dollars

And these are the parameters He said I'll give you a thousand dollars Well you're going either way so what's it to you? I heard the bet The word bet was not used I would bet you a thousand dollars That's how I heard it I said I'm pretty sure he said I'll give you a thousand dollars

Look it's usually implied that he just hemorrhages money and doesn't get anything in return on this show I heard it. I said I'm pretty sure he said I'll give you a thousand look it's usually implied that he just hemorrhages money It doesn't get anything in return on this show. I get it One of the great great jokes we tell around here. It's a lot of fun that one look I'm pretty sure for a thousand dollars you were gonna do it because that does feel like He should support his teammate like I don't even understand like that's bare minimum on being a good teammate with the teamwork with someone You're gonna be there? Possibly. Possibly there?

What about this whole teammate business? Oh, don't be ridiculous. He's gonna be the one that's online. You lead the team. I'm not a teammate. I'm lured over the team. I am not the teammate. He's Dolan.

What are you confused about? He bankrolls the operation. I am not Dolan. I am not Dolan. Ishbya. You don't wear a hat like that. Ishbya is fun to say, huh? It is fun to say.

Put it on the poll at Leviton. It's exotic. Is Ishbya the team leader? I am not Dolan. I am not doing it. We are no where I had like that It's fun to say huh? But on the pole at Leviton shotic is ish be a fun to say we're gonna get to the boldest take in a second I can't believe we didn't get to this with Samson though Have you guys heard Pablo is doing good work on Pablo Torrey finds out and I want to say something I think I'm back on Pablo. Oh, you heard the Bill Simmons episode did I did. I heard it. I was listening to it. I was like, you know what? Pablo, likeable. I'm Bill Simmons.

No, Pablo held his ground. And all the arguments that Bill was making on the front end evaporated like that. Pablo was a man in that interview. Pablo was explaining to Bill basically like, hey, this is what I do. This is how I do it. Yes, it's stupid.

But I take stupid things seriously, right? That's his whole moniker. Well, he was very likeable in a way that sometimes he's not on the show But I don't know if that's because of bill because of you Dan I don't know we will find out everyone here is both a little more likable and a little less likable because of their proximity to Me that's why I go to the bank and cash my cash in garbage bags. That's how the whole thing works David Sampson has lured

Dominique and Pablo into a conversation where he reveals something that might be up for suey best revelation. Just made my skin crawl. Okay, so. Your skin. How many people heard about this? This is so foul, and David Sampson is so foul,

but he will take you in the bowels of sports business where no immorality can go without shame. Like it's unbelievable to watch and listen to this story. Let's listen. I don't love the fact that I went into an all black church trying to get votes for the stadium. And I stood up there and I said, can I get an amen? I don't love that I did that, but I did. I didn't know that you did that. Oh I gave a whole sermon. I gave a sermon to a major black church in Miami because I needed their support for public

money for the ballpark. How did you dress? How I dressed is I went to visit a black tailor and I had a suit made for me by Andre Dawson's Taylor so I looked like Andre Dawson and it was awesome and we had a plan of all the different people we had to get votes from so we went to the Cubans we went to the non-cuban is 100% I had to go get one personally made a Guy of Adda so I had to wear that to the Cuban I think it's Guy of Adda. So I had to wear that to the Cuban. I think it's Guy of Adda. I did give the sermon and I did, I felt like I had the room enough. What does a sermon mean to you? It was about all the things that this 65 inch white Jewish guy could do for

them. It was going great and I had eyes with my Cuban consigniari. It was. So they were giving you amens. I had the view that I had their attention. I had the view that they were looking at me as though I was one of them. And so I built up to this crescendo and I look over at the bishop. Then I look out at the audience. I look back at the Cuban consigniari and I look at the bishop. Then I look out at the audience. I look back at the Cuban consigniarii

and I look at the crowd. I say, can I get an amen? And then I walked out and it was awesome. Oh God. No, I didn't like that. I didn't like how we said Guayavera. That's what I'm referring to. That was the part. You're in a module. Everything else seemed fine. Gallabera. So I want to do something with this because I'm telling you, we have a total new ad campaign around here. If we started to sell with David Sampson, gringo trying to poorly be Hispanic guy,

I sell you Gallaberas instead of. Ah, see. Guayaberas instead of Tetas. Can you get the sound of him trying? We've got to do a Spanish off with David Sampson because I want you guys to absorb how hard it would be to offend black people the way that he just did and have them be the second most aggrieved group

in everything that was just said because of how he pronounced Goya Veras. Well, thankfully we had the most popular black comic in San Diego. Yeah. Guy-a-bera. That one's out. Guy-a-bera is absolutely a great ad campaign.

David Sampson will do things on behalf of business that are, yeah. A Guy-a-vera. I mean. Guy-a-vera's like your dad's friend. Guy-a-vera, you're like, oh I know that guy, that's Guy Anna I'm I mean I've it is like your dad's friend guy of area like oh, I know that guy that's guy I know him guy. I had I feel like that's also how he would say the name of the dictator before Castro a guy of Anna like I don't think he knows the difference between those things a guy of Anna find the data's tatas Tater tots that's what she said a guy of Adda. Find the Tetas. Tetas? Ha ha ha.

Tatertots. That's what she said. A guy of Adda. Tetas? We'll get to the boldest take in a second. I thought we were all in agreement that James Dolan is a known buffoon. Am I saying anything that is not?

There's no way that this is in any way controversial, correct, that he is meddlesome, he is the worst of what rich owners are, that he disrespects nicks royalty such that it is they don't really have royalty because they don't have any real winning but the royalty that they do have that represents winning what about as much as the guy they just fired it's the best of nicks history is not a great nicks history they just fired the coach most responsible for producing the best feeling there in twenty five years it's. Whatever your standards are on what coaching and leadership are

supposed to be, I can say that everyone can get tired of a voice after five years and I can also say you're not gonna do a whole lot better than Thibs. He's pretty good. Like whatever it is that you're getting might be different, might be a different ingredient, might be part of changed architecture, but he's among the best. We all know this to be so. Yeah, but he's among the best. We all know this to be so. Yeah, but what about an impeccably dressed Jay Wright that walks in?

Could he be better? The unknown college coach with the Armani suits brings suits back to the NBA. All of a sudden Jay Wright's on the sideline with a suit on, we're saying, hold on, New York is back baby in a big way. So this is what we're doing. This is what we're doing. This is what we're doing

This is how we're gonna be the Savior Dan. All right, but this is how we're gonna coach. We're gonna take leadership We are all in agreement. The analysis of the Knicks autopsy is the team exceeded every expectation over the last two years to make New York hope for the first time in 24, 25 years that they would be good enough to beat the Celtics, built to beat the Celtics, did beat the Celtics, hadn't accounted for the Pacers. Changing times, changing architecture, the whole thing can fall apart on you fast. Dallas is in the playoffs, no they're not. Kevin Durant and Phoenix are right there, no they're not. Boston's right there, three, four years, no they're not. Seven champions in seven years, now who's got to be better than OKC? How do's gotta be better than OKC?

How do I build it better than OKC? Tibbs, you're fired. How do I build it better than OKC? How do we get past OKC? Tibbs, you're fired. And it's like, okay, but if that's what the standard is, it's not gonna be because Jay Wright comes through the door, it's gonna be Jay Wright comes through the door

and we're trading Carl Anthony Towns or we're doing something because this group of players, this amount of money, 93% tied up in six players means you can get some bench but not much and it's gonna be this six guy and I hope Bridges can play another round of seasons without getting hurt because he always does as we waste another year of Ananobe and his perimeter defense because this was built to beat the Celtics and that's not what you got to beat anymore now you got to beat OKC it's not about beat the Pacers yeah it's

the Pacers and Cleveland and wherever Yanis ends up. And and and and and and now you're behind. And now two weeks ago, we were saying, hey, your management team, what a great job the next management team did. Huh? Put all the right places in all the right places. Beat Boston. Built it. Best feeling in 25 years, Tibbs, you're fired. It's asinine. We can agree on that, right?

Yeah, it's not particularly fair, but Tibbs, for damn near 20 years, has always been reputed as a guy that just can't quite get over that hump. He is a franchise changer. He is kind of a fixer, but he's a guy that just won't get you over there, kind of the way that Larry Brown was viewed for a very long time until he changed that narrative kind of the way that Rick Carlisle was viewed for a very long time until he changed that narrative it's a bummer that in New York after giving them something that they've been yearning for for decades that's not viewed as enough he's not given the opportunity to change the narrative the way that the other two coaches were can

I just talk to you guys about this part of it though when we do the analysis and I say to you Carl Anthony Towns bad at defense is it because he's bad at defense or is it because he doesn't care and there's something physically about him that either is a deficiency at defense can't block shots, cement footed, not good at defense or doesn't care enough to give you defense. When you say change the narrative on can't get you the next step, if I sit here and tell you that Tibbs was the one coaching OKC, would you say that he's the coach who can't make it the next step? Like because I believe we can all agree

he maxed out whatever this was. Whatever you had on next steps, these are the furthest steps the Knicks have taken and so whatever you thought this was going to be that's better than this, two games from the finals to me there's not a coach who's like and I can do this and I can do that and I'll be six games better cuz you know it because there's another coach who does know how to take next steps I'd say as it regards Larry Brown oh he could have always done it and then he had the team that actually did it took that team from Carlisle yeah it's like it's the moving lever of,

this guy's good enough until, he's not good enough until he is. But this is nonsense. This is a narrative that we've seen in other sports. Tony Dungy just couldn't get over the hump. Now he could in Indianapolis, but they needed Gruden to get them over there. In soccer, there is bountiful examples of managers

that aren't viewed as guys that can win, and then the replacement just strolls on in and changes fortunes. Thank you. I have now filibustered long enough, Greg Cody, to get the sound that I wanted, which is the correct sound. You guys have seen over the course of the last few years, it's been a marvel and delight to watch Blossom on television, the reinvention of the career of Mad Dog Russo, who once upon a time invented barking sports radio and makes a career resuscitation no one saw coming in his 60s just pining for the days of 60s

basketball players no one thought there'd be a lane for it but again the old white man wins in the media it's a rare upset so mad dog is back and of course everybody would want to know mad dog remains this is what a titan of a career remains an important New York voice people want to know mad dog remains. This is what a titan of a career Remains an important New York voice people want to know what he thinks about things happening in Nick's management And so when mad dog goes crazy on satellite radio and one of the most amazing careers anyone has had people want to harken back to the time of Dolph Shays and whatever it is that my dog wants to talk about from the 60s. Let's see what name pops up here from the 60s or 70s.

Anybody who knows anything about basketball knows that Indiana had better players and more of them than the Knicks did. Or if God didn't let the ball bounce in with Halberdons three or two at the end of game one, the Knicks would have won that series. This has got nothing to do with anything. Rose wanted to fire Tom Thibodeau after he got to a conference final but Rose doesn't have any power there. Dolan does. He sits on the baseline with the dopey hat on thinking that he knows something about but he wouldn't even know who George Mike it is. He knows nothing. He's there

because his old man was a brilliant businessman and he took over. That's what this is all about. Oh my gosh, the guy that ran Marv Abbot out of the building. What a joke. Have Dolan sit there and get peppered with questions by legitimate media people, not guys who work, and I'm not saying they're not legitimate, but they're in a difficult situation. Not the guys who work and I'm not saying they're not legitimate, but they're in a difficult situation Not the guys who work for MSG let him have a press conference for I don't care if it takes six hours And everybody has a chance to go and ask him a wife because this is not fair

Who gave his life and blood to the franchise and took him to the conference fun on been there since 2000? My god almighty and you get him out? Because you lost a rugged six game series to Indiana? Oh come on please. What a disgrace. That is quality, quality man talk. Talk about fastball, he has. George Mike, he doesn't know George Mike even is.

Let my bubble know about it! Well, I heard Roy get complicated there, where he's like, yeah, but Marv had that biting thing. Yeah. We all just sort of wandered away uncomfortably from the name Marv Albert. Oh, man. Yes!

If we were to call my father now, we should call my father and just get his thoughts on Marv Albert. We can just do a private thing out there. Let's do the Boost Mobile hotline. The Boost Mobile boldest take is presented by Boost Mobile, the newest 5G network in the country. You can call at 305-486-GOTZ.

That's got 305-486-4689. My name is Lou Sellers from Greenfield, Wisconsin. My boldest take is Def Leppard is the nickel back of the 80s. This is Chris on a mobile from California. I think every NBA and WNBA coach should have to run to win sprint if they lose the coaches challenge. Thanks. I'll hang up and listen. George Kittle looks like he wears shoes with holes cut out for each individual toe. Hey, it's Paul from Georgia. I got Mrs. Klump from the Nutty Professor.

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He was just okay, but they let everyone in. So hall of famer one day, Oh, he blocked shots back in peaceful spaces and he knocked down threes on a regular basis when Rape Love France played in all those places. This is Evan from Broward.

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