The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Do You Remember How We Lost Game 2?

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

Domonique and David lead our conversation on some major NFL CBA implications with Joe Burrow saying there should be an extra BYE week if the NFL season goes to 18 games. Domonique and Jessica explain the functionality of unions in a situation like this one as David explains the perspective of owners. Then, Gladiator 2, bear hibernation techniques, and why Hard Knocks is scripted. Plus, JuJu steps in to deliver Thursday Thunder, dinner talk, and Shedeur Sanders claims Colorado is everyone's "Super Bowl." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and Pablo was a guest on my show and we spent a lot of time on it, it was right, Charlie, are you gonna make fun of me, what's happening? Dominique Fox for a show coming out Friday, watch it on ESPN2 at 2pm or get it wherever you get your podcasts. I hate, I hate chilling, it just is. Pablo Torre finds out.

No. Available where you get your podcasts. Where, Davis, Hampton, other person. Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I'm never asked to be a guest on your show. I would love to have you as guest on the show. It would be awesome, especially when we have topics like this, and this might be a preview of one of the times

when you're gonna be on my show, because I think this is an interesting conversation because it leads us right into CBA negotiations conversation. The NFL is going after 18 game schedule at some point. When I was a union leader for football, they presented 18 games to us. We said it was a non-starter. Eventually, it got taken off the table. Then in the last CBA negotiations, they popped up to 17 games with intention of going to 18 games soon. As the NFL is like any other business, they're always looking to increase revenue

and grow. You can't go backwards. The easiest way to increase revenue is to add another game. You can grow globally, you can try to get more American fans, you can raise your prices, but the easiest thing to do is sell another property, and they are attempting to do that to make more money. So Joe Burrow sent out a tweet, essentially saying, 18 game schedule, we better get a second buy week.

I don't remember the exact words of the tweet, but correct me if I mischaracterized it. I think he also said some stuff on video, which we could watch. How many games are we playing? You tell me. 18. 18. 18?

Gotta have two bye weeks. I like that. And I think it'd be cool to do normal bye week schedule that it is now, like have it spread out. But then like week 13, do like the Pro Bowl break where you're doing like the seven on seven and all the skills challenges like the NBA does. Cause I think that would get more ratings

for the Pro Bowl. And then it would also give everybody that bi-week going into the last six games. The interesting thing about that is, one of the challenges when I was a union leader in both football and basketball, and probably even more pronounced in basketball, is there is a delineation in the ownership ranks,

and there's one in the players ranks too. And that delineation in basketball is like, all right, there are some obvious superstar players. And their interests sometimes align more with management than they do with the rank and file players, which creates some challenges in negotiation. And in football, it's kind of like there are quarterbacks and the quarterbacks view themselves as a little different

than the rest of the players. And when I went to basketball, I was like, all right, there's a whole lot of quarterbacks in this league. So having Joe Burrows say something like that sounds like the league talking. You gotta lock that up for the union. You cannot have that happen because what management does is they look at that and they say Fantastic, we're not giving anything in a trade. They already know they're going to 18

We're gonna give them the second by we're planning what they will want when we give this so new ruling to them the game an entire new game is Enormous An entire new game is an enormous bargaining chip. And the reason why this is a little problematic, and there's plenty of time before they get the CBA negotiations, so the dynamics can change. But I'll let you behind the curtain a little bit

in our negotiations is one of the tools that you use and the league used against us, and we tried to use against them, is to talk about how impossible it's going to be to sell this deal to your membership. And so, Roger Goodell would come into our CBA negotiations and then when he'd leave, he would suggest to us, like, I could try, I'll try to get them to buy this, but it's going to be so hard. And then when he inevitably came back and conceded in some

way, it would make us feel like we really got something. And we would do the same thing. It's like, look, Roger, I get it. I get it. I understand what you're looking for. But can you imagine me in a room full of players trying to explain, trying to get them to buy onto this? I think the other thing with this too is that

the way this is all being said is that he's like, Joe Burrow's putting himself as like on the side of the fans so that when the players inevitably try to fight adding another game, it's going to be really easy for the owners to be like, look at these big bad NFL players. How awesome would it be to have this mid season pro bowl and two bye weeks and all these things that all the fans want? Like they're just being stubborn. And they're in the way.

I think both sides already know the deal's cut and the CBA is gonna get opened before it expires. There'll be 18 games well before the new CBA. So 2030, I think this happens before 2030. We're only in 24 right now. Well, I can tell you that both sides don't believe the deal is already cut. I think the negotiations have not happened and that's the reason why this is problematic is because this changes the negotiation

dynamics. But the trial balloons have been sent. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is, let's have the Super Bowl during President's weekend. I think you're right in that 18 games it feels very likely right now. But getting to that 18 games,

the price feels like it's going down. What it's going to cost the league feels like it's getting cheaper and cheaper because the point that I was making before is it does not seem like as much of a big deal and the problem, the reason why Joe Burrow being a quarterback matters is the challenging thing about this

is the price for the extra week is gonna be paid disproportionately by players who will not benefit nearly as well from the increased revenue as somebody like Joe Burrow. When the CBA goes up, when the salary cap goes up, the quarterbacks every year, like Clockwork, get a bigger percentage of the CBA, or a bigger percentage of the salary cap, which is a really tough place because I think Joe Burrow feels honestly, as someone

who's been injured a lot, so it's funny to hear him say that, feels honestly like those increases are worth extra buy week. Whereas I, as a player, would be like, oh no, a whole nother football game? That's gonna cost you guys two, three, 4% off of the revenue. And Joe is presenting like, oh, it's gonna cost us a extra buy a week.

Well, I would just like you to do the math. That's all we ever wanted the players to do was to figure out, okay, we're gonna do a game, we're gonna take away a pre-season game, which means that owners will get X more in season ticket revenue. Then we're gonna sell the extra week to the broadcasters. And so players, you get 50% of the revenue,

maybe 51, 52, whatever the percentage is. So, and the bargaining table, I think that if you were presented with a spreadsheet, on a spreadsheet, here's what we get by doing an 18th game, and here's what you get. You're getting half. If that's shown to you, it will accrue to the benefit

of all members of the union. It doesn't accrue to the benefit of the players proportionally is one point. But nothing ever does. Nothing ever. No game you ever make ever does. I understand that. But I'm saying that's what makes it more difficult to sell

because the players know that. And I would also point out to you that why that's hard is having never played football. I think it's really difficult, particularly given the CTE information that we gain year after year. That money does not seem nearly as valuable to us as it does to you. And then when having that conversation, like, all right, we're going to play an extra game. So we get half of that, you get half of that.

You aren't playing an extra game? Like that's what makes these negotiations difficult because it's like, you deserve half for what? Cause you hit a switch? How does the PA do damage control from something like this? Yeah, so it's not really damage control as much as it's, because once it's done, it's done.

I think the way that you are, do damage control is like stick to whatever your plan is for preparing for negotiations. And I think the way that you prepare for negotiations is, I think oftentimes people believe negotiations are like what you imagine happens in TV, whereas like if you can bluff in the room, like negotiations don't take place in the room. Negotiations take place years before you get in the room. You're able to negotiate whatever you want based on the leverage that you create in the years leading up to the negotiations.

Which is why maintaining a posture that adding another football game is absurdly dangerous and risky and something we would never consider is negotiations. So there's no damage control now. All you can try to do is make sure that people know, and it's possible that this could be a benefit, because this is an opportunity to have a conversation

with the rest of the players. And maybe the players will be appalled, because I would be appalled if I was a player and I heard a quarterback say, oh yeah, another game, just gives them an extra bye week. And I thought about what this actually meant for his pockets and not mine and his head injuries and not mine I would be like what and that could galvanize a group so I think that the way you do

damage control is this now gives you a talking point when you go visit all the teams you're like look this was said but we need to be clear that this is hurting us getting forward anything that is said going forward about this is about how it's not something that we would want to consider, and we need to do research about how this is going to impact us and what we can get back. So what's funny to me beyond the fact that you and David have been negotiating the CBA in front of everybody is that we are also hearing, Dominique, you say that part of how you organize a disparate bunch of players with different incentives is to acknowledge that there is a subset inside of that group that has the most different incentives. That quarterbacks actually should not be considered

rank and file, you need to see them as a different category. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that they see themselves as a different category and inevitably they all learn that they're not any different than us. So like it happened with Drew Brees. He was heavily involved in the union in part because he learned after he got an injury that they don't care about you. And at some point all the quarterbacks learn at some point they don't care about you. So understanding that you are part of us and we don't necessarily talk about the divisions as much as we which we find a common

enemy like that's what it is it's like all right i know your life is different i know your life is different but you know who's standing in the way of making your life better that guy so let's not worry about this he's pointing directly at david i mean even outside of the nfl when we were unionizing at previous jobs that i've had there are employees that make exorbitant salaries that are not even just close to management, like literally friends with management. And you're trying to get them to be on the same page as people that really do need a salary increase

or some sort of job protection. And it's more difficult to convince those people sometimes that they're actually more like the person making $50,000 a year than their boss because they feel like everything's going pretty well for me, I don't really need any of this stuff, until management tries to then impose something on them because there is a difference and they realize like,

oh, this is actually affecting me now. That's how the quarterbacks are. That's how the quarterbacks are. They're making more than their boss. It's in your instance. It's like my GM. They're making more than their boss. It's in your instance. Like my GM's a boss. Those companies. Yeah, I'm talking owners is the boss.

So in your example, I assumed you were not talking about boss, you were owner, you were talking about management. C-suite level management. C-suite, yeah, executive level. So there are often employees who make more money, like players. Players make more money than the team presidents.

Honestly, that could be true for a few people, but we were never able to see what management made. We were only able to see what the non-management employees made, so I don't know that to be true, but in a lot of cases, it would be an outlier for a writer to get paid more than the head of the company. It's not uncommon in sports for the players to make more than just about every single employee.

No, no, David. I promise you that is the case. I understand what you're saying, but those employees don't matter. We don't negotiate against them. The people that we're negotiating against own billion dollar companies that go up by hundreds of millions of dollars in value every decade. So like, those are not the people we're negotiating with. Like it's the, yeah.

It doesn't cost the coach money for the players to have better benefits. Like, and also could they not just start their own union? It does actually, because dollars are fungible. And so when an owner, when they look at a CBA, they look at who's getting the allocation of money, and that's why then there are decreases in certain positions. Yes, dollars are fungible, but there is enough money

that the funge of the dollars doesn't have to come from the coaches, it can come from somewhere else. It can come from the ownership's pocket. It never does. I understand that, but it could if you have leverage to create it. Every single company you do business with, Apple could lower the price of its MacBook Pro and iPhone. There's no doubt, and if anybody would take a pay cut, anybody in the C-suite level would take a pay cut,

they can lower the unit price. They're not gonna do it. This is the exact reason why we have unions, because there are certain groups in society that control things and have more power and leverage and the only way that you can extract any value the only reason why players are getting paid the way they get paid now is because they unionize and in any other industry. No, because you have a skill that other that customers will pay to watch. No, no, no, that is not why they get paid. This you just made the point David. That is why you get paid. Because broadcasters will pay because people will watch the games.

They want to see you play, not Pablo. I understand that, David. What the hell? Sorry, man. Listen, David, David, David, David, David, David. That's why the NFL makes billions of dollars. The reason why the players get paid a lot of money is because they told the NFL,

we will not play if you do not pay us the right amount of money. It's not because we're super valuable, it's because we were strong enough at certain points to win in court, and the same thing with other sports, to challenge them and tell them that you won't have this special valuable thing if you don't fairly compensate it.

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The core at least in baseball is much more about free agency and about movement and about having choice. We're in theory outside of sports. But Dominique, I would just like, I understand you're getting frustrated. No, I mean because. And I don't want you to, but the union, you would get paid the same, you were the one who talked about decertified and disbanding the union as a possible strategy to deal with what exists in football right now.

And I'm telling you that if you decertify, disband, or whatever you do, your percentage of revenue that players get isn't gonna change. Okay, so David, my point is, you said it was about the court cases and strikes. No, I agree, court cases worked in our sports and strikes worked in other sports. But those were in order to get free agency

and you said to get choice, that's right. It was prior to that, we did not have choice. And so if you do not have choice and a monopsony exists, which means that there is one buyer in the market, then you have nowhere else to take your services, then you will not get it. Hold on, I gotta take my drink. As per the Dominique Foxworth drinking game,

you said monopsony. Love that word. The majority of the people in your union do not have choice. All right, this is- Guys, do you remember how we lost game two? Do you remember how we lost game two? Do you remember how we lost game two? This is a semantic argument that doesn't matter.

Wait, we need to get to the part where Don Meek wins the argument before we cut it off. I mean- I mean, he kind of already has. Yeah, I mean- He did. The point is- David learned so much. I mean-

Gladiator game. You guys are right. Combat sport, not a contact sport. Graffitiing the Church of Football. Anteceptic Cathedral of Football. I'm not excited for Gladiator 2, and to the point where I won't watch the trailer. Oh, you missed out.

Did everyone else watch it? My couch work, we'll see if they cancel the movie. There's a rhino in it. I feel like- A guy rides a rhinoceros into the Coliseum. How are you not excited for it? Did you like Gladiator 1? Lovediseum. How are you not excited for it? Did you like that anyone loved? So why would you not because I Ryan Sandbergs in it?

We got the trailer going right now Wait, yeah, that's that's the guy from after Sun. No David look away. We're showing the trailer You said you won't watch it Paul mezcal you scab. He won't watch it with sound. Oh, Denzel's in it? I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. Denzel's in it, I'm in.

With the Caesar fade? I'm in. Do you not worry always? The first Caesar, right next to Caesar? When you say the Godfather 2, people would argue is better than Godfather 1. Incredible. But how many sequels would you say

are better than the original? Shook 1's too. That's right about that. Shout out 13%. There are some latter Spider-Men that I enjoyed more than the earlier Spider-Men. Madame Web, for example. That was so bad.

It was terrible. So bad. And I didn't stop watching because of my idiot theory that once I start a movie, I won't stop. If that was a candidate. He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders right before she died, Jess. Which wasn't even in the movie.

The kindest thing I can say, it was under two hours. So it was, ended up not being that big of a waste of my time. The Carter II, another sequel better than the original. Carter III even better. Carter IV. They get better and better, boy. I kind of think Carter II is the best one. I liked Rocky II better than Rocky. Carter III three even better. Carter four. They get better and better, boy. I kind of think Carter two is the best one. I liked Rocky two better than Rocky.

Carter three is the best one for sure. I gotta stick with the snack on this one. I don't like ties. You could be wrong. What's the top mix tape? I'll give you a minute, I don't wanna drop it over right now. Drought three. Drought three, okay.

Drought three double disc, deluxe. I hate that I had to give up on that argument with Dominique so quickly. We can go back to it, man. I hate that I had to give up on that argument with Dominique so quickly. Yeah, we can go back to it, man. I think it was a good conversation. I just felt like it was, but Dominique, the thing is that Dominique is right from the first,

that's Dominique. Why do you have a rhino and not have it gore someone? I'm hoping, I'm overarching at someone. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you see it, you got a sneak preview? Nah, just, we're watching, they're still playing the trailer here, but the rhino just bumps someone. at someone. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you see it, you got a sneak preview? Nah, just we're watching, they're still playing the trailer here, but the Griner just bumped someone.

In the full thing, Billy, I'm hoping there's a Gorin. Yeah, there has to be, there's blood. Look at this. It's the first rule of movies. I'm a simple man. It's you don't show the gun unless it's gonna shoot. You don't show the horn. There's blood on that horn, it gored someone.

Oh, wait, is it? Yeah, check that out. Check out the Griner. It's already been gored. Yeah, but no, here we go. yeah but no here we go just a bump yeah all right I guess you can't show a gore on television yeah is that Rhino running mesh Frank gore that rhinos not a rhino wonder whether dance right rhinos probably it's hard those are the seven that's the one of the big game one

of the big seven I was it was a big five. Thought it was a big three. See they keep changing the number of teams and conferences. I think they do that with animals too. On safari. I think it says big three, but really they say there's five. Today was a good day.

Are we winning today? We still need a game five. You think we need a game five? Well the tough thing about game five is we got a lot of unavailable players for game five. I asked Pablo and I'll ask you now. I prefer you Y'all not paying me for this getting out of here. All I'm getting is occasionally get to plug my show, right Charlie? What's your show? Dominic Foxworth show get it wherever you get your podcasts new episode coming out Friday

Also on ESPN 2 at 2 p.m. Huh and who's in the new episode? Pablo Also on ESPN 2 at 2 p.m. And who's in the new episode? Pavlo. How does that happen? How does what happen? Pavlo is great. He did a great job on our show. No, no, I agree. Pavlo Torre finds out. Available on your podcast. I couldn't have felt worse yesterday when I had done nothing personal.

I come in here, we do a great show, we win yesterday. It's a win. And I'm packing up at the end, and you're all saying like at the cool table, alright, we got a bunch of shows left, I'm packing up at the end and you're all saying like at the cool table, all right we got a bunch of shows left, I'm gonna be on your show, you're gonna be on my show and you guys are all coordinating what you're all doing together

and I'm going to my room to watch a movie and get ready for my show the next day. I felt so left out, I can't even tell you. I mean I've. That's true, this is me telling you the truth. I apologize, I apologize because I owe you a home and home because that time when I was on your show, when you invited me on your show, when that happened.

Just made me feel. Oh boy. Never. Has that happened? Oh. No, it had not happened. Never, never. Because I do my show solo,

but I would like to do a sit down with you, of course. Well, if you're not into the group thing, then you don't have to be in a group thing. Whatever. It's a big glove chair. I mean, you both can kind of pick a side. David wants to have you on a show. He just wants it to be over very quickly But I want you to feel pleasure while it's happening. You don't want me on you know

You have me on your show. I'll be going I mean, yeah, you can be on my show I've never been on Dominique show either I've never been on anybody's show I've been on your show God bless football. Oh, yeah, that's right, yeah. Yeah, I've never been invited to God Bless Football. Do you want to? Always.

You hate football. What do you want to talk about? Yeah, you talk about football. That is absolutely not true. You disparage football off-season talk at any point. No, I get jealous when we don't talk any baseball when we should be, this is baseball's moment. But God Bless Football could do a baseball segment.

There's a new baseball segment here. That's a different show though, Dave. That's God Bless Baseball. Don't we have a new baseball show here? We do. Are we, is it? Jer-Bear. Yeah, Jer-Bear has a whole thing.

Where'd Jer-Bear go? He was supposed to be here. Hibernating. And then I don't know whether he was, with twigs and berries up his grult. What? Huh? I think I got it wrong. Grundle? Damn. I don't think you could go up a grunt. Twig and berries up his grult. What? Huh? I think I got it wrong.

Grundle? Damn. I don't think you could go up a grundle. Twigs and berries where? That's what bears do to hibernate. I know what David's getting at. That's a hundred. Do you? Oh.

Bears have a thing where they will clog their buttholes by eating things that are very hard to digest and so they can hibernate and not have to go to the bathroom while asleep I guess. And you're mad about whiteboard NFL talk. Yeah. Okay, it's making sure. It's called a fecal plug. This is something that people don't know?

Also, Pablo's teaching right now. He's not just jargoning. You're welcome. Do you know what happens when the hibernation ends? Do you know what you should never do? Ever be near a bear when the hibernation ends? I've seen SpongeBob. Because what comes out, it ain't great.

Because what comes out, it ain't great. ["Sleeping Bear Theme"] When do you want to be near a bear then? While it's hibernating. Because you're fine, you just have to time it right. But then what if you wake it up though? You cannot. Can't wake up a sleeping bear. Do not. That's where the expression comes from.

Or at the scouting combine. Don't poke a sleeping bear. Caleb Williams crushed it. And Roma Dunze. Excited for that duo. Favorite bears. Caleb Williams crushed it. He did. And Roma Dunze. Excited for that duo. Favorite bears. It should be fun. Twigs and berries in the grundle.

Sam Hartman's getting a lot of FaceTime on hard knocks, by the way. It's not what the grundle is. As he should. So Jess, have you changed your feelings about the Giants? Are you optimistic about them? Because you seem to be the only one who's really committed on his hard knocks.

I don't think I'm optimistic about them, but I like what I'm seeing. I think that the Saquon off-season storyline made them a really good subject for this show. Saquon was sassy. It's so edited. You're seeing exactly what they want you to see. Of course it is.

It's edited, scripted. I'm sure that they're doing takes to make sure that they get stuff that they want to show you. But I like it. Are you guys worried that they're doing too much with hard knocks? Because before it was just hard knocks, but I like it. Are you guys worried that they're doing too much with hard knocks? Because before it was just hard knocks,

then it was in season hard knocks, now there's off season hard knocks, and then this season's hard knocks is just focused on a division. I love that one though. I'm locked in on that one. I'm excited for that one. It just feels like too many spin-offs.

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That's right. It's time for Thursday Thunder and it's sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Thursday Thunder, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Juju! I got to make up for it.

I've been on the losing streak, daddy. I've been getting two in a row for like, two out of three for the last umpteen weeks in a row. So we're gonna try to right the ship today. Today I'm going to the WNBA of course. The New York Liberty are taking on me and Jessica's Chicago Sky. We have to talk about that. Big Camila, big Mia, Cardoso. 8.5 rebounds they have around.

I think she's gonna go over 8.5 rebounds they have her on. I think she's gonna go over 8.5 rebounds. I can't show you her liberty. Pablo, you got that looking ass, what you think, bro? That sounds like a great pick, Juju. Thank you, brother. I'm gonna stay in the same game, brother. Jean-Claude Jones, AKA Jay Jizzle, AKA Double J. They got her at 9.5 rebounds.

It's kind of a rebound lay today, you know what I mean? I think she's gonna go over those 9.5 rebounds. The last couple of games she's had 11, she's had 12, she's had 11 again. I think today, because they played the sky earlier in the season and got they ass spanked. So I think that the Liberty will come in there with a little more vigor today and nine and a half rebounds seems delicious for John Quayle Jizzle. Moving on to my Atlanta Braves tonight against the Arizona Diamondbacks

Thunder noise I thought. You feel me? First, first inning, point five runs. They say is it going to go over or is it going to go under? I think we have aces on both mounds tonight and they will be under point five runs scored tonight, daddies. Ladies and gentlemen, Camila Cardoso, John Kuella Jones, under, first inning. Back to you, Bob. Way to go. Don't forget about the mommies. We got a lot of, we got a lot of, Never forget about the mommies.

We got a lot of advice for the daddies. Mommies can get their money too. Salute to the mommies and the days of the world. It's such a funny one to go under a half a run in the first inning, because it feels like, hey, who scores in the first inning and then all of a sudden Max Fried gives up until you bet it One solo Jack the lead off by jazz and before you know it you're over and of course if you do the over You're like come on, man One run clip it

That's a different segment that's come on man Pablo's still getting hate on the internet I He's so distracted. That's why we're losing the game because he's been during I'm having a hard time keeping him focused Yeah, you're doing a great job. You know he has one eye on leaving. Yeah, which is what happens on the final game It's why closeout games are so hard getaway day one getaway day is the worst they're trying to get over it fast Pablo's tired Grumpy he had that long dinner with that I'm trying to surprise with a guy now Can we keep Charlie by the way now? Whoa? Watch out what you do funny. You should ask what you're doing. Yes, I

What I? You've just started something very bad. Stop it, stop it right now. You can't take my man. Why is it bad? Because we were thinking as a business to potentially do a hostile takeover of Charlie. I will fight.

Like, okay, I do a lot of funnin' and laughin' and bits. Had a great Frank Gore joke before? I will fight, I will stab all of you with the plastic, with the wooden knives. As a beautiful swan, whoever offers me the most gluten-free guava cupcakes will get my services. And one extra dollar. That's right.

All you can guava eat up in DC. Why are we doing this? This is not funny. I don't like this at all. I just like sitting by Charlie. That's all I was saying. He's a delight. He's great.

He's nice. You are my friend. Please don't ruin my life. Vibes are super high right now. Don't ruin my life. We went to dinner while Pablo big time does for Don Van Etta. Who big time Pablo? Wait, who else had dinner last night?

It was a few nights ago, but We went to dinner. We're to dinner the first night. Did you go back to carbon for real last night? Oh, yeah, so you dropping carbo. You did a double bone this week. How was your second bone? It's fine. I've had no bones this week. You had a ball. I did have a bone What are you talking about forgot about my bone? It's fun who gets invited to what dinner is obviously a very political thing around here I feel like all you guys though go home and we remain in this vicinity That's why I felt bad for Charlie So I was like I should get him out of the Elsa for five minutes invited him to come where I live

Great, why are you doxxing Jess? Yeah, what was the address again? You still want them? You still want them? Do you want to just give us any sort of You can go back. GPS information. What's the question do you live in?

Thank you. My man back. Good job Charlie, way to undercut it. Listen, he forgot the mic was on. He was so comfortable with Jess. He's become part of the team. He forgot people were listening to this. Just like Pablo yesterday when he decided to shit

on all the NFL analysts that he likes. Segue, way to go. They're still after him. I'm sorry Pablo, although you love it. I didn't think I had this kind of power. So that's not really power. Good spin. Well clearly, clearly.

It's Pablo spin. Clearly, you know, good spin. Clearly. That's Pablo spin. That is. Clearly, you know, what's that phrase about hollering and dogs? Hit dog, go and holla. I feel like that may be happening here. Oh, a lot of hit dogs out there. You're saying, I didn't even think this was gonna be a thing

and then a lot of people said this is a thing, so. How good are you at knowing things before they're things? Do you have a good thing, Radar? Turns out worse worse than I thought no, but did you think that you were good at the thing radar? Yes, and this is the first proof that you may have a blind spot This is early early indication that the people that I inadvertently Insulted maybe we're anticipating that someone would say this at some point The people that I inadvertently insulted, maybe were anticipating that someone would say this at some point, and I did not think I would be the first.

Has no one else told you guys this? That's the thought that I've been having. How am I the one person to start this conversation? You're not, I think it's you. This really is more about you than what you said. So it is about my power. It's not your power, it's your POV. And I think that's what people are far more responding to

is we didn't expect to hear that out of you. Out of someone else, you know, we're not even gonna get into it. It won't be a thing. I will say that the most unsettling sensation I felt all week is David Sampson explaining to me a blind spot. Because I think he's probably right.

Takes one to know one. Are you ready to back off of your point and say you were wrong? No, I'm not. He's not, not yet. What are we doing? Not yet. What are we doing? Nice try though. I'm trying to help you, right?

We have some time. He's trying to help you, Pablo, the way he's helped me all week. He's trying to help you. He's been offering this. He's been giving you on a silver platter and you're still not biting. That's because he loves the attention. I think he's worse than I am. He loves the attention. Spider, two-wide banana mother-

Billy, sorry. It's unreal. This happens all the time and I don't know why. Doesn't add value. Speaking of blind spots, can we talk about Jadurah Sanders? Can we talk about somebody who has been saying things that have been intended to be inflammatory and that have started a conversation Can we talk about Jadur Sanders? Can we talk about somebody who has been saying things

that have been intended to be inflammatory and that have started a conversation at a part of the sports calendar where we could use someone saying something that sounds like this? Video team, assemble, activate. Wonder Twin powers, form of? Just gonna sit here.

A pale. Shape of? You don't know this? Wonder Twin powers form of a pal. Shape of, you don't know this? In terms of him operating with a certain obligation, does that sort of flow over to you as his son and being in the spotlight as you just answered that it's a different level in how you feel you have to perform? Do you have an obligation to perform at a different level?

It been that since day one. I remember first media day when I was in HBCU, I said, we won't lose a game. I'm undefeated in the Swax. So I already know what the expectation comes with. I know where everybody's super bowl. So I'm really just, I always stay level headed, stay grounded because I just, I would never wanna be that guy, look back,

and not being able to take advantage of the moment that we have right now. God bless this family. They're in no substantive way relevant to what we should be talking about in college football. It's a matter of like, who's actually good as a team. And yet they keep on making them like lead stories in any given news cycle.

It's really appreciated. Why is that a story? Because Shadour Sanders has this, it's interesting, right? So Colorado is not a good basketball, not a good football team, even a good basketball team, not a good football team. Shadour Sanders though is the top quarterback by lots of film nerds analysis metrics metrics

video games NCAA 25 he's the number one quarterback Deon Sanders for whatever it's worth says that should or Sanders and Travis Hunter the two-way quarterback receiver that he has they could be the top two picks in the upcoming draft Dominique and so it's just it's just credible enough for us to have an argument about what does it mean when someone says when they play us, we're their Super Bowl. He's right. Not to cut you off. It means that the ratings for a Colorado State game that's at 10 o'clock at night are going

to be somehow through the roof. So I actually think that he's right. Can we, I don't know if we have to run the whole video again, but I just want to appreciate, that man has perfected a condescending stare. At the beginning, look at the- The down his nose? Just the-

He's very tall, though. The look back at this point, yeah, go ahead and roll that. We could talk over it, I guess. We don't need the audio, I don't know if you can do that, but look at that look, that's the one right there. Like, oh, you? That's how Pablo is on the receiving look. That's the one right there. Like, oh you? That's how Pablo is on the receiving end

of these film nerds right now. That's how they looking at Pablo and it makes Pablo feel small. Dominique, you know you look that way to everybody all the time. No, I don't. Right there. You just did it now.

What? He just did it right now. I can't help it, I'm black. What? Don't get into a race thing. It's not a race thing. Huh, thing. It's not a race thing. Huh, David? It's not a race thing.

What was that phrase about dogs and hollering? Condescension is not about race. Who you calling a dog, Pablo? Charlie, it's disappointing. Do you deal with this every day? Every day. Bye mob hoe. I think the fact that... I want to knock a buck

Excuse me And don't say that that felt prosecutable I Feel like we have enough evidence from yesterday's show there that we can cut it up and defend my man He did not mean it. He wants every month. Yeah, we talked about knock if you buck yesterday Oh, it's not if you buck yesterday. Oh, it's Nuck if you buck. Nuck history, Rymob hoe. I had it.

He's coachable, but he's still not learning quite so much. He'll try anything. There's so much that's going on this week. I can't wait till the commercial break. Or I guess not commercial break, but till the end of this segment, so I can explain to David how dangerous that sentence just was.

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