The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Equal Opportunity Everybody (feat. Ron Magill)

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Ron Magill takes us on a trip down memory lane of South Florida local news anchors via his racist wall of famous people. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Show YouTube channel. Looking forward to that one because I don't know how many of you guys are gonna be involved with that I don't know who's coming but tomorrow night. I think this was scheduled back when we thought it was gonna be Nick's I'm assuming that that was where it is that we got the kid marrow from I'm assuming we didn't use pacer fan Dan What are you talking about? So we don't know. We will hate watch, yes, that's right, we will hate watch the finals with the Kid Mero. I'm assuming he doesn't want to watch that with us anymore. I thought he was signing up for something else. We will do that tomorrow night.

And we will have an assortment of surprises for you. I wanted to ask the group here, and be careful, you might tell on yourself here, how do you guys feel, and Tony, you're too young for this, but how do you guys feel about the last day of school for the kids? I mean, it was always a fun time for me. No, no, no, no, no, as a father, Chris,

not the last day of school, everybody of course likes the last day of school for them, everybody likes getting out of school. I love it because it means traffic will be better. enjoyed summer as a kid. That was good. Yeah Terrible question honestly I was just like what you guys think of summer Tony you're too young in your to your friend. He's so traffic Dan Nowadays it's traffic. I want to examine what you think I thought

school What you think I thought. Camp, better than school? What you think I was asking. I thought maybe you were like, on the last day of school, are you going to do some funny business at the school, pull a prank on something? I don't know. How do you handle the last day? Do you celebrate?

I'm asking you as a father. Traffic. Traffic will lighten up Spoken like a man with one of them things Man last day of school the the the contrast between I appreciate you Chris cuz the last day of school When I was young oh So thrilling you enjoyed it No more homework better than homework I

Think then dad you probably like school huh I like the last day of school I like the freedom of summer But I also liked school and he's not totally wrong that every once in a while. I'd like to stay for a couple extra days And he's not totally wrong that every once in a while I'd like to stay for a couple extra days. But now, the countdown to the last day of school, because my kids are at the age now where they're a little old to be sending them to camp, and obviously they're too young to go get a job or for me to just let them loose on the summer

all by themselves, so it's just like, asking can they do things that I'm like, yeah, I want you the hell out of the house, but I also don't wanna have to worry about you for the next six hours. It's just. That's in the preview, Domine. I know it is.

Don't let them distract you with what it is that the video team is doing in the preview. I know that it's in the preview. Okay, you can't let them distract you. Oh man, that's unfair. It's much can't let them distract you. Oh, man. That's unfair. It's much better than me talking about the last day of school. Ron McGill is now available.

Ron McGill's... Let's listen to him. Let's listen. Eavesdrop on his call. Oh, we can't do that, man. No. You put him up. It's not my fault.

The video team's taking over today. You've allowed them to distract the talent by putting up pictures that are in the preview 900 shownies right we can't even have 900 show me Roy Roy accountability you say it's not your fault you're in charge you're you're in the seat of the executive producer accountability we just eavesdropped on Ron's conversation because he was put up and we heard him yelling at somebody. We've never seen that side of Ron McGill before. He's like, I need more photos behind me.

That's what he said. That's what he's yelling. Ron, take us through some of the pictures behind you of all those television and media celebrities that nobody cares about. Is that what we're gonna talk about today? Yes, take us through those pictures behind you. Take any one of the photos off of the wall

and take us through it. There's Coach Spoh right there. And there's LeBron and Udonis Haslem right there. And right below them is Shaq. Right there, right there, Shaq. Is that Frank Fort I see up there? That Frank Fort? You're giving me a lot of the big names,

but I see a lot of small names up on that board all of your money don't insult Frank you got a lot of people up there there's a you know there's a lot of good people that I've worked with over the years and I'm very happy who are you pointing out now there local news guy I count his name is that's that there are nine of those up there local news guy his name is that's that there are nine of those up there. Local news guy. His name is great teeth. Yes. Hold on a second. You're talking to you're talking about Michael Williams. There he is. Oh, Michael Williams looks like television. Where's Rick Sanchez is Rick Sanchez up there. He's up here. Hold on. I'll get him for you. Hold on. Okay. Let's get you

like that. Pull Dan. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Right Lauderdale. That's a never ending wall of photos. Yeah. Is Dwight Lauderdale up? Oh, that's essential. Sanchez. That's good. Yeah, right lauderdale. That's a never-ending wall of photos. Yeah is Dwight Lauderdale up? Oh, that's Essential Sanchez that's young Sanchez that is up-and-coming Sanchez newsplex No way and Bishop is up there Yeah! With the mustache. Yes! Do we got an Anne Bishop? Oh, was Anne Bishop back? No way Anne Bishop is up there. Oh, he got her! Yeah! It is a media hall of fame.

Look at that. It's autographed. He's got the rarest of collections, the autographed bishop combined with the Lauderdale mustache, the television mustache. Hold on a second. I got better. Don no.

Don no has been requested. Who else are you requesting? Don no. Don no. The weatherman Don no. I'm sure Brian Norcross is probably up there somewhere. Brian Norcross is here. Yes, Brian Norcross is here. But wait a minute, I was trying to find someone who used to be a mainstay

and then all of a sudden kind of disappeared. Where the heck did I put her? She's here somewhere. She said, oh, here we go. How many of you guys recognize her? That's Sally Fitz. There you go, Sally Fitz. Miss Roy know that.

What do you mean, how does Roy know that? She's iconic. But I didn't know that. That was a coincidence. But that's young Sally Fitz. I did not recognize her. Sally Fitz was on in this market for what 30 years? Yeah, yes she was. Yeah, yeah it's a better one. Hold on a second. I got one here for you. Hold on a second. Bob Soper. I love this. This is a great game. It's a great game. Ron just wanders around his office.

Here we go. Here's Bob. Oh is that Rinnick? No, he said Bob Soper. Oh, there you go, Bob Soper. Who's the best Dan you got on the wall? Got any impressive Dan's up there? I've asked Dan for a picture, but he wouldn't give me one. Oh, my God. Chris Cody just pointed out something that I didn't think that Ron McGill was prepared to answer for. Chris Cody just said I saw one black guy on that wall. Canberra Marshall? No I think was Dwight Lauderdale. Yeah it was Dwight Lauderdale. There's another one. In color.

In color. In color. The one in color. You asked and you shall receive. Canberra Marshall! Yes! Classic sports newsman Canberra Marshall, a a Titan in the industry for nine years. Nice. Got you one straighter there.

That's who I'll use. Still doing it. Notice he's in color. Everybody else is it. Well, I'm in use. That's offensive. Be careful. Sure. Pictures and pictures. Oh, you may have found one. How many of you guys are going to remember this

guy who he played for I don't remember Tom Randall now you're just flexing black eyes no black guy in the wall that's right okay I have to say that whoever the last guy was first black guy with the shape up up there I respect that he had a nice sharp line He was the first one That's why they're in black and white and Calvin Hughes in color remember her I do not remember I Maria Janelle you remember did she go to California after that? Yes, she did members Ron Maria Janelle, you remember? Did she go to California after that? Yes, she did. She went to Los Angeles. Ron remembers. Ron, Ron, Ron, I'm troubled by the lack,

the absence of black women on your wall. How about Dougie Dunbar? Classic. Oh yeah, Doug Dunbar. Classic. This is a real trip down memory lane. I'm sorry to the audio audience. I'm sorry to anyone who did not grow up in South Florida. Hey, we found one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to be honest. I got more than one. Don't love it. Who else, Dan? What do you want? Ron's got it. All right.

All right. Those ideas be all over the floor. OK. A baseless accusation of racism against the wall in Ron McGill's office, I retract it. They were all out of the shot though. They were though. They're not prominently featured.

How does it go? They're not even prominent. Ah, Tony Segreto! Oh! A great Tony Segreto, a classic. What's Jim Berriott? You will not do better than the mustachioed Dwight Lauderdale paired with the autographed and bishop. That is the highest form of media

Coupling that you have on your wall Michael Jackson. I think so I didn't say but I think that's one of his famous stories. Yeah. Oh, he's been dying to tell this one. Here we go Oh, there it is. Here we go I'm not telling you the story. He's told us a bunch. I don't want to hear it again. Not interested in that story again He's told us a bunch. I don't want to hear it again. Not interested in that story again anyway, enough of that segment, but I just wanted to let you know that I am a You know, I don't I don't Know you're famous opportunity everybody. There we go nailed it

What the hell were you trying to say? everybody equal opportunity everybody you have one black guy up there you have one black woman I had many okay there are many of my friends up there okay so you weren't prominent in the shot all I'm saying I tried to show you a lot of sports people because you're a sports thing okay that's all that's all right I got people I got people there that are much more much bigger to me I mean to me like the icons of the world for me like I'm gonna show you just one more the single most important Person to me. Hold on. Is this gonna be Don Francisco Greg Cody Don Francisco, it's gotta be done Francisco. What's the? Does anybody know who that is? I see you in a reflection.

Yes, we can't see who that is because of the reflection. Who is that? Is that your father? No, that's not my father. That is the father of nature television. That is Sir David Attenborough. Oh, that's like 25 years ago. The voice of nature.

The voice of nature. Did Planet Earth, did The Frozen Planet, did all those incredible documentaries. The man is a God when it comes to nature television. He's the founder of nature television. Super white. Wow, I don't understand this. I don't even understand how that subject comes up.

I don't, I really don't. Hey Ron, he's just messing with you, man. Don't fall into Dan's trap. He's trying to get you upset. Just go ahead and... Well, I wanna know why Dan hasn't sent me a picture of him. I have a picture of him and I. I don't wanna be on your racist wall.

Whoa! I boycott your racist wall. Can a wall be racist? Roy, you're not gonna say anything? You're not gonna say anything, Roy? This is disgusting, Roy. Why do you have to point Roy out? I'm sorry.

Roy, don't throw Roy in the middle of this. Now all of a sudden you want black people on the fringes of your wall but in the middle of the controversy. Wow, you're looking serious too, Dan. I mean, you're really going to do that seriously, right? I don't believe you. I can't believe you even- Are we on live television?

DEI wall over here. We need that. Don't you have any dumb video you want to show me? I do actually. Thank you for bringing that up. Thank you. Yeah, I do. Thank you for doing that. We will get the video department now to play this first. So you tell me what's happening here. Explain everything that you see in front of you, Ron. Okay. Oh, it's an octopus taking out a shark! That's a great sentence. A great sentence.

There you go. If that doesn't get you over to YouTube, that is an octopus. I did not know the octopus could do that, Ron. Oh, yes they can. You know, an octopus has a tremendously powerful beak, almost like a big parrot, but it's more powerful. And they'll take out anything.

An octopus could put a hurtin' to whatever it decides it wants to eat. Is this eating it or is this eng engulfing it like strangling it? It's hard to tell what's even happening here I'm sure it's it's probably eating. Yeah Can you explain though? What larger than that can an octopus take out because I did not know put it on the pole at lebatard show Did you know that an octopus could take out a shark is that too small of a shark is that Tony? Are you impressed by this or not impressed by it? I'm impressed that he can grab it

Shark gets away the shark gets away Ron who would win underwater if I got like two minutes of breath in me Like me and an awkward I have two minutes of breath in here Brother I got like 90 seconds Aquaman You do not have two minutes of breath in here. Two minutes? You got two minutes, brother. I got like 90 seconds. Aquaman? Two minutes? Which octopus? That octopus we just saw.

I feel like if that thing comes at me, I'm just taking it and I'm like stretching it out. I'm just like breaking its arms. You wouldn't even be able to hold it because it's flying right through your hands. You wouldn't be able to hold it. You think you would break an octopus apart in pieces? I think when one of its limbs comes at me, I just grab it and it feels the force that I'm grabbing it. I don't know. And then it has seven others. Yeah, but I don't have their own brain.

Ron, tell me when I get my ass kicked. Now, you wouldn't get your ass kicked by that octopus was that's a fairly small octopus. But if you got a giant octopus, yeah, you could be in serious trouble. I mean, two minutes, we could do that. At some point, you called out two minutes. We got it, we got it. Two minutes. Two minutes with an octopus

with an overall length of six to seven feet is gonna wrap all eight limbs around you, confine your arms, and you're just gonna freaking drown. That's what's gonna happen to you. But wait a minute, can we go back for a second to the video, the shark got away. Can an octopus take out a shark? Yes or no? Theoretically if it wanted to yes it could but it clearly wants to hear does it not it seems to want to hear

I don't know. I can't read the octopus is mine Maybe the octopus is saying listen listen one more time and you're not gonna be so lucky. Okay, go away. Don't come back All right, maybe that's what it is. You see how long I can hold my breath It will not be two minutes. Two minutes is a lot. Someone count me down to start. No, come on in here. You could hold your breath for a minute, Cody.

Come on in here so we can judge you. Come on in here. Come in here, okay. Yes, come in here, because I wanna- You couldn't hold your breath for a minute, Cody. Ooh. Not even a minute. Maybe a minute.

No, not a minute. I'm telling you, Cody's not gonna hold it for a minute. Wow. His father, we, oddly enough, because we're in reruns, we did this with his father six weeks ago, who's had famous asthmatic problems for about, I don't know, five years. And his father was able to hold his breath for a minute.

I don't know if that's hereditary or not, but I think Chris Cody will be able to do a minute. Two minutes, no shot. I have under 30. No, no, he'll make it to like 50, 50 seconds. 15. No, he will. No, 50, he'll make it to like 50 seconds. 15. Uh no, he will. No, no, no, he'll he will make it a minute but he will be surprised by how long a minute feels. I think Chris Cody is two minutes is there will be no two minutes. Long time. Chris Cody is surprised you guys all the time. If he makes it to a minute,

he's gonna look like a tomato. I got, yeah, he's gonna look like a tomato. I got But I got Chris making it to two minutes Okay, I got Make sure somebody plugs his nose holes his nose shut Everyone thinks he's gonna be a cheater. That's why I brought him in here so I can see if anything I have that Greg Cody loud breath. You'll be hearing if I'm breathing All right, let's play another video for Ron They gather myself as and just put Chris in the picture in picture, start a timer for him, get ready, and we will all do this together.

But for the moment, just put up the next video for Ron to do play by play on, please. What's happening here, Ron? Oh, this elephant is looking in the water. Oh, there's something in the, oh, it's an antelope! I must help this antelope! Oh no, don't worry, antelope, I'm here just to help you. Just let me rub my trunk around your horns.

Let me pull you out. You will not drown. I'm here to save you. Elephants are kind. Smart antelope. Oh wow. Yes, there you go. There you go, friend. Wow. There you go. Holy shit.

How did you know that? How did you know that that elephant was there to help and not hurt? Because you saw how gently he was using his trunk. If it was gonna hurt, he'd be slapping it around like a baseball bat. Okay. That's not what he was doing. You've seen an elephant do that? Have you seen an

elephant use its trunk as a weapon? Use its trunk to grab something that it then stomps on, yes. Let's play another video here for Ron. Chris, you're ready? You're getting ready? And the video is getting ready to have the timer with you. Let's play this next video. They told me they want me to have my timer. Okay, you can do your timer, but let's see this next video. Ron tell us what this is. Is this a fish with legs? Some type of fish. I'm not sure what kind it is. It looks like like in the remora family but I'm not sure what it is. Those dangling things are pretty cool. It's very cool. Listen you know I've said it over and over there There's so much about the ocean that I especially don't know, but most of us don't know. And this is one of those very unique fishes that I've never seen before. It's called a tripod fish, but are those those are not

functioning legs, are they? No, no, no, no, those are those are modified fins. And I guess they call it a tripod because it seems to kind of isolate itself on top of them there in the bottom of the ocean or whatever body of water that is. I don't know if it's a freshwater fish or ocean fish, what it is. It's unique looking though. Cool. Thanks for sharing it with me. I'm ready. All right. Chris Cody is defying all of you and it's five, four, three, two, one. In the interim, let's play this next video here as we do nature videos with Ron McGill as Chris Cody multitasks with the holding of breath.

Ah, the infamous mountain gorilla. These are incredible experiences. This mountain gorilla has grabbed this woman's shirt. The key thing is you don't turn around and stare at it. Do not do that! Do not do that! I told you not to do that! Jesus Christmas. You do not turn around and stare at it. Do not do that. Do not do that. I told you not to do that. Jesus Christmas.

You do not turn around and look at the gorilla. You wait until the gorilla lets go on its own. You turn around and look at it. It'll get even more determined to pull you in. Now watch what happens. She turns around. I said, I said,

I said, and then the guy had to come in. The guy had to come in to save her. You don't look at those grand primates like that. You just don't do it. You're 40 seconds in, Chris. Why are they grabbing? To the best of your knowledge,

what's the point of the grab? I was just curious, hold on one second. I am sorry, I'm still on this interview. I will be done in two minutes. Seven seconds from a minute. Five seconds from a minute. He's gonna get to a minute and only a minute. Okay, perfect.

Thank you so much, I'm so sorry. Okay. He's longer than that so far. He's longer than a minute he's gonna get to a minute and only a minute okay perfect thank you so much I'm so sorry okay he's longer than that so far he's longer than a minute I don't he's breathing I think he just blew a bunch of coronavirus in her face exactly that's you did over a minute see that honey you got over a minute respectable what are you supposed to do when a gorilla grabs your shirt? Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Do you know what to do when a gorilla grabs your shirt? What are you supposed to do? Don't move.

You don't look at the gorilla. You just stay. If you're not already in it, just get in the fetal position. Do not move. Do not look at the gorilla. Do not face the gorilla. And that's the worst thing that you can do? Because the gorilla wasn't gonna do the worst thing that you can do because the gorilla

wasn't gonna do anything other than be playful there? I can't tell you that the gorilla wasn't gonna do anything but when you turn and face and stare at a gorilla that is that is interpreted as a threat. That's pretty much with any primate. So you should never look at a primate in the eye like that. Turn around and look at him like that because that becomes a bit of a threat. Put it on the poll please. Should you ever look a primate in the eye at Levitard Show? Ron, it's nice seeing you. Thank you for tolerating all of our nonsense.

I hope I get aggregated calling you a racist and I hope your indignance is taken seriously by all media outlets. Thank you so much. And I hope that you send me a signed Dan Levitard picture. And if you write to Ron, best wishes, Dan. I swear to God I'll never do that. I won't, I'm gonna be like, I'll write it.

But what I'll write is, I will not be on this racist wall unless I'm a centerpiece. I will not on the fringes of your wall where you put the other minority segregated away from all of the beautiful segredos. All right, buddy, that's a deal. The preferred whites on your wall. I'm done, peace out. Thank you, take care. Thank you, Ron, thank's the deal. I'm done. Peace out.

Thank you. Take care. Thank you, Ron. Thank you. Bye bye. Nice seeing your white wall there. Oh. White wall.

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and the server comes over and asks the table, what can I get you guys? And everyone freezes up. You know what you should do? What should I do, Mike? You've got to have some confidence! Or as Jägermeister calls it, shot-fidence. I love it.

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the lines, set your picks, and catch History in the Making, Mexico City, June 15th at 3 PM Eastern, only on Prime. Maple Leafs. Yeah that they won the division guess what it's been two years, and that's two years too long Stugats. Take that ass too. Oh, we're taking two asses. This is the done LeBathardt show with the Stugats Think I could have done better with Calvin Hughes on the fringes there was a lot of pressure on me there I didn't get a great breath to start. A little disappointed. Minute 20. We didn't even get close to two minutes. I could do better. We thought that you were breathing though at the end.

We thought that there was a little breath at the end. You know that was me trying to like hold the breath even longer and then it just exploded out. I know but it is hard to do. Is it worse to explode out than it is to fracture a testicle or to what? What was it? What was the other word rupture? So which is the word the worst of the verbs is rupture You guys are saying not fractured a ruptured testicle is worse than a fractured testicle feels that way

Yeah, I'm not sure it feels that way. I feel I'm feeling like I'm feeling like if it ruptures It's good and it's gone and the pain's gone where whereas fractured, it's throbbing and stinging. Rupture implies explosion. Yes. Whereas fracture just implies there's a little, just a little slit in it. Yeah, sounds like a break as opposed to a tear. It sounds worse than that.

Good deal worse than that. Doesn't sound like a break or a tear. It sounds like you guys are talking about either a fractured testicle or an exploding testicle. Because ruptured is a spot before exploding. Or are they synonyms? We're doing synonyms? It's an exploding testicle? Because I think we'd agree that an exploding testicle

is worse than a ruptured testicle is worse than a fractured testicle. I agree. I'd rather have my testicle ruptured than explode. I mean, I think so pull and tear are different terminologies when you're talking about muscles, but they're both essentially like different levels of a tear. rupture than explode. I mean, I think so pull and tear are different terminologies when you're talking about muscles, but they're both essentially like different levels

of a tear. Can you pull a testicle? I have. Why can't you? What? What? What did you say? You heard me.

What's the worst thing to rupture? I'm all in on spleen. You said you pulled a testicle? Put it on the poll at Leviton Show. I asked if you could. Yeah. Is the worst thing to rupture a spleen. Hold my right ball.

Can you stop? Can I get you to stop? Stop doing everything that you're doing over there. I think there could be another lesson to be learned. It's like the game is to get very close and make everybody think you're going to say or do the thing, but never actually say ball.

That's like the move, right? Yeah, but subtlety's not a strength. Sometimes you gotta go with it though. You don't though. You slap him over the head with it. Sometimes. Again though, getting back to the original story that birthed all of this, the fractured

throat. Can you guys look up for me what difficulties there would be in playing football with a fractured throat? It sounds like a terrible thing that you would not want to re-injure. One of the things that Dominique and I were talking about during the break, I think this is a strength that Dominique has that most in our profession do not. He can crystallize for you how hard it is to get to the points of excellence where you are stronger than the man willing to play with a fractured throat.

Because when we talk about what, you know, I know we do too much with gladiators and whatnot. But for 13, for Armstead was at the draft, the single most impressive physical offensive lineman there's ever been running and jumping. His speed at his size was not precedented in the history of the draft. He's a little undersized for an offensive lineman. But what i know about him is that no one can get around him and what the second thing i know about him is that he might not play this sunday and obviously will play this sunday because there's no football is not a plan more sundays because he's retired

every week for the last five years of his career it was always that guys not going to practice that's a game time decision and they need it and he if he can only do it at Sunday for three hours They're gonna take that body and they're gonna shoot it up with whatever gets through those three hours Dominique speaks better than most on the idea of what it takes to get to that kind of excellence in that sport And when you read that article were you surprised by what it is the pain was I was absolutely Surprised but reminded. And I think that this is what was blowing my mind

is as I kept yelling, fractured throat, and looking into the room, I didn't see anybody as stunned as me. I was very confused by it. I was like, no guys, but like, his throat was fractured. And yelling about Armstead not being able to walk till Wednesday or Thursday after Sunday game. And he never played a full 16 game season. And that's why I get it because

in his third season and he played 12 years told his third season, he had a knee injury that inhibited him from practicing again without painkillers. And I think one of the things that I've noticed is like, obviously my, there's some genetic factors that make it so, and we see every time we watch the NFL or NBA draft, there's their last names that you recognize, and there are factors physically that allow people to be, to excel in certain sports. But the mental and emotional stuff is the stuff

that I think I find most interesting, because it is really, and we talked about a little bit yesterday, with the emergence of those tennis pros. It's a place that you have to go to or have the ability to go to mentally sometimes that I don't think many of us are familiar with. And then to be even greater than the greatest,

that's how you differentiate. And I think we talk about, or at least I talk about the people who make it to professional sports, I think it's from a very small pool of people that are physically capable of doing those things but then that's the part that I think you find interesting most than and I do too is like what is the difference between all of those people who want the very same thing being able to answer every question and every test to the degree,

while not only are you trying to overcome something very difficult, someone else right next to you is trying to stop you from doing it. It's amazing to me, even though I did it at one point, I guess. Well, the thing that I find most fascinating about the sociology of sports here is,

over the entirety of the world, war-torn countries in basketball, inner cities in basketball and football in America, you have fighting for status, power, respect, and money, fame, everybody who is the most competitive in the world, fighting for the same pot of dollars. Physically, a certain number of people can get that high, but when we're at microphones asking these people to be tougher, I'm telling you that that next top 1% of top 1%, those aren't physical gifts

that get people there. There are a number of people who have those physical gifts, but there's nobody at the top of that that's throwing it away. And when you guys ask those people to be tougher, I'm like, how much tougher would you like them to be? I understand why you make this assessment of Carl Anthony Towns, but do you understand that that's not just because he was born seven feet and can shoot from three, that that's as good as that is?

Like, that can't, no one gets to that level of high unless they are some semblance of tough that we don't probably understand. But the Dolphins offensive line is so much better when Armstead plays. So toughen up and get out there and play. I mean, Dan brought this up as an area that we should explore because he and I find it

interesting, but I know y'all don't give a shit. I know you just want your games, but I do find it interesting. To your point, Dan, I think that there's a level to make it to that's really difficult. Then there's a higher level to make it to that requires you to push yourself past some really challenging things, which is fun. But I do recognize, ultimately, it's entertainment, and the way that people talk about entertainment is like the same way

you would talk about a movie that someone spent years raising money for and writing and filming and acting, and they were like, eh, I don't want my 90 minutes back, that movie sucked. It's the same way, it's the exact same thing, and I know that to be true, which is why it's not an area I often go down, but I do find it interesting. But I know they don't care.

I'm looking at those faces. I know it's more fun to just talk about the fighting last night and your team being better and we mentally broke them. But I'm actually interested in, and I don't think you can dissuade me of this when mike ryan loves to say someone's banged up this time of year when none of us would come to work if we felt like whatever banged up was for those guys clearly dry sidle was hurt last year obviously when i ask in that sport connor mcdavid to

overcome four lines of people who wanted as badly as he does i don't think most people watching actually know what it takes and to me that's the most interesting part like whatever the results are those can happen with process and bounces the most interesting part is whatever the results are those can happen with process and bounces the most interesting part is how did the toughest people actually get to winning beyond the lock how did they get to be stronger than the other person who i know to also be strong that's why i think this thing is so interesting is a bit as a view

these are heavyweights fighting and connor mcdavid wants his immortality he's willing to play the human limits of the body in that sport but can only be out there half the time and what happens when the waves come at you when you're not out there can he be good enough in half the time out there then all of them are in all the time they're out there and it just makes it really hard when you're asking to overcome that and don't tell us about your injury Also, don't tell us you're hurt because this guy played with a broken leg get out of here How could you play with a broken leg in hockey one of the most famous goals ever scored in hockey was scored on a broken leg

But it's all how it's all relative which is why I understand that The point that we're making is that these people are tougher than us and they're tougher than everybody. But in that community, there are people that are even tougher than them. And we're looking for those guys, and in order to exalt those guys, you gotta point out that the other guys aren't as tough.

And it's not fun to do, but you kinda, what are you gonna say? Is it true though? Like do you- No, it is true. It is true that there are people, there were people, I was tougher than people to get there. And then there were people who were tougher than me. I freaking saw it, Dan.

There were people who were willing, I was willing to do some absurd things. In my contract year, I was in Atlanta. I got hit on a crack back block by Eddie Royal and right in the chest I got up. Little Eddie Royal. Yeah, little Eddie Royal. Cute little, adorable little Eddie Royal.

Little speechster. Yeah, think about it. Tinyest guy on the field. Jay Cutler, so it was the team, it was the Broncos. The Broncos traded me before my contract year to Atlanta. We're playing against the Broncos down in Atlanta. Jake Cutler, so this is my teammates. I went to training camp with them.

I played at that place for three years. Jake Cutler scrambles to the right and then scrambles to the left. I go to the left with, then he comes back to the right. As I'm coming back, Eddie Royal dives through my chest and I thanked him after the game because he didn't hit me in the head because it was legal back then.

I got up from that play and started coughing and spitting out blood and then I started to walk in the direction of the sideline because this ain't normal and then it hit me, nah bro, it's a contract here. Lined up and played the next play. And there are people who have done much more absurd things than that, because I wasn't even that good.

That's so sexy. Tough. It is. Then I like grounded into the turf there. And that was Eddie Royal that laid that hit. Like that's wild. Well when he says there are people tougher than me, this part I'll never understand and it's not mythology people say it's so Ray Lewis

When he hits you it hurt more. I Don't understand that like I don't understand what would What would have to be happening in the human body that would make him be? Be someone who's hurting other people who know what hurt feels like more than they're usually hurting. I'll tell you this about Ray Lewis. So I remember being in high school and looking around at my teammates and being like,

like I loved them and they did the best they could, but looking around at them and being like, these guys, they ain't got it. They not gonna fight through, whatever. Then in college, there were fewer of them, but there were still guys, and I was still like among the top, like all right, yeah, they ain't got it.

They don't care about this as much as I do. I get to the NFL, and there are fewer people that I recognize are like that. And I look, there's a couple people that I like care more than I do. I eventually finally get in my fifth year, get to the Ravens, and Reed or excuse me Ed Reed and and Ray Lewis Ray Lewis specifically is towards the end of his career and we had I've told this

story before we had a pretty much nothing game on a Thursday night in Cleveland and I showed up there like all right let's go out there and whoop these bums and get on with our business and he cares more than me we're in the tunnel and I'm thinking about, let's get this job done so we can get back home. And he's in the tunnel talking to himself with tears welling up in his eyes. After already having won the Super Bowl, established himself as probably one of the best linebackers ever,

a random Thursday night game, he's like, no, this means something to me. This means something to the city of Baltimore. It means something to my family. It means something to me. This means something to the city of Baltimore. It means something to my family. It means something to everyone. And I'm like, but what about all these millions of people who I was tougher than, and I cared more than, and I'm looking at you like, I don't care.

I should, I wish I did, but I don't care like you care. Well, keep in mind with the Florida Panthers, not only are they playing through injury, I mean, this is the third Stanley Cup final. They played an extra season worth of postseason games. Well, but see this is the part that I I really don't know what it costs when I ask Dominique or anybody, hey the Miami Heat of Lebron blew up after four years. Kevin Durant, that whole thing, four years.

Jokic, tires came off at the end, four years, Celtics, Tatum blows up, four years, like it's hard. It's difficult at the top of stress. You remember the Ed Reed, I'm hurt dog speech. Like that stuff is real. And to your point, on top of the physical strain and on top of the pressure on each of you, depending on each other, because all that stuff matters to your

Livelihood and everything that you've hoped and dreamed of there are millions of people watching and criticizing Everything you do you can't leave you can't walk out your house You can't open your phone without hearing someone have something to say about what you have done And then you go back into the locker room and you look across at these people and you want everybody to care as much as you care, but some of them don't. Did Ray know you were just playing the Browns? No.

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