The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Giannis Antetokounmpo's Chicken Problem (feat. Joe Posnanski)

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

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Please drink responsibly. The Smirnoff company, New York, New York. He's one of the best sports writers there's ever been. He's got eight books, 40 years damn near writing sports. He's the co-host with Mike Schur of the Pawscast. His Joe Blogs newsletter is terrific. You could subscribe at joeposnansky.com. He also correctly predicted Shador to the Browns.

And he did this just knowing that the Browns were going to Brown and I thank you Joe where does this rank in terms of your greatest predictions you're taking a victory lap today I'm very happy for you you correctly predicted the unthinkable how did you do that? Surely by knowing who the Cleveland Browns are, right? Like there's no, I mean, there is no knowledge involved. There was no draft, you know, insider stuff involved. It's just, it's perfect. It's like the Browns come into the draft

desperately needing a quarterback. They make it very, very clear that they do not want Chidor. They take Dylan Gabriel in the third round that nobody thought he was gonna go anywhere near that high. Made it perfectly clear. I woke up Saturday morning and I'm like, guaranteed the Browns are gonna take Shador today. And like there's never was even the slightest doubt in my mind. Billy and I are having an argument about this. This doesn't make sense that you would say there's not the slightest doubt in your mind.

He is saying this is a good job for Shador, and I'm arguing it's the Browns. There are no good jobs that the Browns have. Your argument is what? I think the argument is that I'm with you. There are no good jobs with the Browns. I think, I mean, it's like the Hunger Games for this year, right?

I mean, they're gonna have, they're gonna have, you know, a quarterback they can't cut. They're gonna have Joe Flacco. They're gonna have Kenny Pickett. They're gonna have Kenny Gabriel Dillon. Dillon Gabriel, yes. That's right. We got there, we got there.

We got there, although, yes, yes. Dillon Gabriel, Gabriel Dillon, two first names. Whatever. Who is obviously the guy they wanted. be is the guy that the coach likes and that that should do i mean it's going to be an absolute mess this is i mean hb o should absolutely hard knocks this team i mean this is going to be a complete the gas go this whole uh... the whole that eddie

from here on the it's going to just be complete not but that's but it always is a critical joe if if i were doing the devil's advocate thing i would say getting chidor sanders in the fifth round with the four a hundred and forty fourth pick is a steel and browns fans should be absolutely thrilled why don't you think so well i'd you might be right i'm not saying that the the funny thing is that my prediction had nothing to do with whether or not Chidor can play.

I mean, I think obviously the arguments are there. It's just perfect Browns, right? Like the Browns could have taken him in the third round. That would have been just as much of a steal because from what everything was going in, they wouldn't have had to trade up. They traded two picks up to get him. Like none of it makes sense.

And it's just the fiasco that is this organization, right? I think that nobody agrees with anybody. This feels very much to me like a Jimmy Haslam pick. I'm sure he saw, you know, President Trump's tweet. I'm sure he just like freaked out. So we got to get him now and doesn't let the organization run

the way they want to run. So it could end up being absolutely the right choice. I mean, I don't have any idea if he's even going to make the team, right? Because, I mean, they've got five quarterbacks now that, and one they cannot cut. So I don't know exactly how it's going to work. But here's the thing, if it works out, it only works out by luck. Because if they really thought Shadur Sanders could play, they would have taken him before Saturday.

Joe, are you someone that just assumes that like your team is going to ruin any chance for a star? Because like I'm like that with my teams also. I have the Dolphins, I have the Marlins. I have a number of teams that I know. You know what, like Aaron Judge would not have been Aaron Judge if he was on the Marlins. You could name anyone, they would not have turned out who they are on the Dolphins.

Because if you look at it, Shadour, if the Browns take him at number two, people are excited. The fact that he falls to the fifth round, now you have all these quarterbacks that you have to compete against, it's like, okay, well now what do we do, right? But he's probably the most, if not the second most

talented one on the roster that's actually gonna play Because the Sean Watson is never gonna play again the way that they've spoken about the Sean Watson So he's he's on the roster, but he's not gonna play so should door has a shot He has seven Kevin Stefanski you drafted two running backs a tight end You also got him basically on a Brock Purdy deal For this so for someone that people thought could be the second pick in the draft So it's there but the reason it wouldn't work is just because it's the Browns, right? 100% right. No, that's that couldn't be more right.

I mean, yeah, if at the end of the day, it works out of Chidor can can really play if he if he obviously beats out the guy that the coaches obviously wanted more than him. If he can play and leave this team, yeah, they're gonna look back and say, yeah, the whole thing was completely planned. But as a fan, you know, it's not gonna work out. It never does. At no point has anything worked out for the Browns in my entire life, and certainly not since they came back and so I think yes I did here I have played this game I'm sure you have to I mean every fan does what happens if the Browns take Tom Brady right Tom Brady is is working as a you know in some like a Starbucks or something like nothing good would ever

put it on the pole please you at Leard Show. If the Browns had drafted Tom Brady, would he have immediately gone to work at Starbucks? It would have been a Browns-Dolphins thing where he's good somewhere else. Like you draft your door sanders, he's there, you cut him, then he goes to like Green Bay or something, and then he's just great over there. I wanna read to you guys what it is

that Joe Poznanski wrote here, because this is an unusual thing to get right to you guys what it is that joe posnanski wrote here because uh... this is an unusual thing to get right when nobody else had this right okay it's an exacto uh... how many exactos did you have by the way had nine is that good is that good that's good but i don't know if i could read well it's a type of her paper beat you know edge me

uh... my yo uh... the instead of reading this i'm just going to ask you are you are do you have this defeatist attitude about anything else in your life uh... the browns do something to you that nothing else in any walk of life that create to journal optimistic person yeah that no you would be we've known each other for a long time i am i have an optimistic person about every single thing

except for the cleveland browns i mean really cleveland sports in general has has done this to me but the browns particularly is specifically i'd just i always believe that whatever is the worst case scenario that's what's gonna happen with the browns and that whatever is the worst case scenario, that's what's gonna happen with the Browns. And you know, it didn't have to be that way, but when I was very young,

the Browns proved that that was the future when Brian Sleip threw the interception against the Raiders when I was 13 years old. And that's it, and it's been that way ever since. So yeah, my full defeatist attitude comes out every time with the browns Well, let me read now from this when the Browns take a quarterback Nobody had going in the third round over Chador Sanders

They are emphatically saying we don't want Chador Sanders, and that's why I'm convinced. They will take him today It's the perfect Brown setup as Bill James wrote me this morning me this morning. The Browns love quarterback stories that seems to be their one and only scouting technique. This is a team that over the last decade plus has acquired Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Johnny Football, RG3, Baker Mayfield, Jamis Winston, and most infamously, He Who Shall Not Be Named. They don't draft quarterbacks, they draft headlines. A Browns camp with HWSNBN, that's he who shall not be named, Joe Flacco and poor Dylan Gabriel would be precisely the sort of mess that this team cannot resist. I

know nothing about the NFL draft at all, but I'm making the call now. The Browns curse, put it in sports context for me please. All the other curses that you've known and lived. I mean, I am, obviously it's personal to me, but I think it's the worst. I think it is the single worst curse. I mean, there are two teams, obviously the Browns and Lions are the only two teams that have not been to a Super Bowl. But the Lions, first of all, they're good now. And second of all, like it just hasn't been this wreck

throughout. I mean, the Lions never moved in the middle of, just left town for four years. They both have had 0-16 seasons, but the Browns had a 1-15 season the year before, and they kept the coach. They actually had a coach who had 1-31, and they were like, yeah, let's bring bring it back that guy's doing a great job i mean this this organization is something

else and uh and i think it's i think it's number one i mean i i think it is the number one i think they're the biggest fiasco in sports right now but i also think it is the number one curse because it goes all the way back to before i was born i I'm gonna give you the choice of one of two things in baseball to talk about. The Giants having a tee ball home run on a baseball that never left the, a walk off tee ball home run on a ball that didn't even leave the infield or Eugenio Suarez hitting four home runs in a game. I'll go with Suarez because I love that story. You know what I love most about that?

That is, you know me and how I just love goofy baseball things. That list of the players who have hit four home runs in a game, there are 19 of them that have done it. That list is so wonderful because it has Willie Mays on it and Luke Garrick on it and it also has Scooter Jeanette on it and Hard Hittin' Mark Whitten and now Suarez. It's just a beautiful list that for one day anybody can be like a legend in the game and so I love that so much and I love that he did it because also he is I think pretty I mean I wouldn't say underrated I think everybody

Baseball fans know what he's about but that guy might hit 500 home runs in his career I mean he's got close to 300 now and he's 33 years old I mean it's it's a long shot, but he might hit 500 home runs in his career and and People outside of baseball probably have never heard of him I mean, it's a long shot, but he might hit 500 home runs in his career and people outside of baseball probably have never heard of him. I mean, so I love that he had this moment, but I love that he added to this wonderful list of four home run hitters. Put it on the poll, please, Juju.

Can you be truly considered great at sports if your name is Eugene at LeBatard? Eugenio. I know, it's Eugenio, but it's that it's not better Oh, hey, you know what? It is better I will grant you that Ohenio is better than Eugene my grandfather But it but it's not very much better is mark with in the last one to do it Joe is mark with in the last one to hit four home runs in a game That's like the only name I associate with it because it's the only one I can remember outside of Ohenio this weekend

Now JD Martinez didn't need JD Martinez hit a run, had a four home run game a few years ago. I think he might have been the last one before this. Roy is asking if Mike Cameron did it. Did Mike Cameron do it? Mike Cameron did do it. Yeah, that's right. Mike Cameron's a great one to add on that list.

Josh Hamilton did it. That's a fun name from the past. I mean, it's a very cool list. I love the list. Joe, good seeing you. Thank you. I will tell the people again, as good as sports writing gets,

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Find your push. Find your power with Peloton at OnePeloton.com. Don Lebatard! Sports! Stugats! More sports! This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats! I mean I wanted to ask you a question based on something we were talking about last week that was just delightful that was from a reddit message board that uh... brad williams asked the commissioner football about where he said in short yardage situations can you give the football to a

little person and then just have someone throw him over the offensive line uh... for a five or six yard game uh... i saw the kevin o'connor was doing something with this in the nba is there anything that keeps the four Golden State Warriors from locking arms in a circle around Steph and just allowing him to shoot jump shots that a defender cannot get near because four. Because four, I've asked this question too about whether we could put a sumo wrestler

in hockey in the net and see if we could get some good results with a sumo wrestler in the net. Do you believe, Amin, that that would be legal or successful to have Golden State Warriors lock arms in a circle around Steph Curry and allow him to take jump shots in key situations? As a play, like Steph, Steph, Stephen, Steve Kerb calls it out of a timeout

at the end of a game. I love that our show always likes to think outside the box. Or inside the box. Well, Steph is inside the box there, so he's trying to shoot inside the box. This time we're thinking inside the box. Credit to Mike Leach also, who apparently was the one who allegedly came up with the plan to throw a little person over the line on a third and short. Is Mike Leach still with us? No, he's not. No, he passed on.

Ganba not forgotten. All right, Dan. I think the issue would be at some point the Screeners the boxer ins or whatever. They would be compelled to be moving Like like it's not that hey this part isn't hard the part The part that's hard is when they're trying to make sure someone doesn't slip in between the cracks and once you move that's a moving screen You're taking the fun out of it. I think it would work as a one time You can't use a lot But it would really be genius at the end of the game if there's nothing actually against the rules against it to To see if you can make it happen because you you'd also disorient the defense

They wouldn't be thinking how do I sneak in under Draymond's arm? Well, didn't a Stan Van Gundy famously say build the effing wall? Yes. Yes, he did You touch those build the effing wall, baby But then if you do that, you got four guys wide open for a pass, right? Greg they're on offense All right. I'm gonna have to let him go now because he got confused by everything that we were talking about and Minor penalty two minutes for a terrible question You're better off with the 500 pound guy in goal in the NHL

But Java the Hutt in goal nobody gets that puck passes true All right, you know what get out please hold on now. How hard is it to train a sumo wrestler to have balance? I feel like they already have balance. That's right It has to be a knee thing right skates would be hard. Yeah They're not skating around. They're just there. Yeah, but you can't kneel. Can you I mean what are that Roy? You're the hockey guy. What are the rules? Can you get out of it? How does he not know? Can't hear what you're saying Greg! Just try to be a professional broadcaster for six seconds!

What are the rules Roy? Can a goalie just kneel on the floor the entire time? Yeah, they can be in the butterfly position to make a save. But this question offends me because these hockey players are so accurate with their shots they can just pinpoint a corner and get it past the sumo wrestler. Not an sumo wrestler, he assume a rustling guys we like 500 pounds and also also let's not disrespect the fine tradition of sumo wrestlers thank you these guys are great athletes are great reaction times of their own right I think you could train one I think you could train why do you get them out

there here's the thing is there a rule that says I have to wear skates because if I'm the goalie I don't really get outside that much right? Well yes you can go out and play the puck as a goaltender. No but but let's assume hey I got a goaltender that I don't need him to play up field or whatever up ice. Exactly. Well a goaltender can't cross into ice that would be a pill in the air. No we know. Okay. Amin knows. He needs to go behind the... Let's talk about something that Amin does know about, which is Pistons and Knicks last night. I just hate when he starts asking like baseball questions and hockey questions and they're

the most remedial of questions. Well that's how you learn though. Hold on, hold on Dan Leventhal. Yeah, you're trying to learn Dan. How do we educate if we are afraid of ourselves admitting we don't know things? The childlike innocence and wonder, that's something that we should all preserve and encourage others to have. And celebrate, I shared my vulnerabilities earlier

when I said I don't know the rule about dunking at a buzzer beater. I don't know if it has to be off your hands or not. Did I ridicule and belittle Mr. Gill? No, I uplifted him and I gave him the information and I said thank you Billy, thank you for asking that question. Imagine if Thomas Edison and you know,

Henry Ford, Benjamin Franklin were met with such, you know, critiques when they simply ask questions. Ask a question like, hey why is it so dark in here? And then everyone's like, oh look at Edison, oh this dumbass wants to know why it's dark, or do. Isn't there a way we could bright up the darkness? No, Thomas, idiot. And then he met a black guy who invented the light bulb

and said, I like that idea. Let me have that. That's how it works, Dan. Todd like innocence in one word. He didn't ask, let me have that. He just took it. Nicely, it's a nice story, Dan, please. The end of the Pistons-Nix game,

and I'm sure Detroit is soothed by this, speaking of admitting when you got it wrong. The NBA has now said well Yeah, the officials got that wrong at the end with Hardaway. The officials said I got it wrong David Guthrie was right there. He didn't have the guts to call it didn't have the Guthrie's to call it That soothes no one obviously in Detroit. That's a huge swing in that series New York is ready to doubt and fear because of its basketball team and at the end of that game Detroit gets one stolen from them, right? Like that's, and I always prefer no calls in

that situation. I prefer you let them play a lot more in the last 10 seconds than you do at any other time But what do you do with the admission today that they got the call wrong when? Detroit's gonna have his season ended over this and it's a it's a really nice season But it's exactly how Detroit season should end when they're learning Playoff basketball where Cade Cunningham can't make one of those pressure shots down the end and Brunson is making all of those shots because Brunson's been in that situation already a bunch of times. It's exactly right then It's it's not about that last play. It's about okay Did you guys value those possessions down the stretch did you do what it takes to win?

Do that every was everyone on the same page and they weren't. And that's how you learn. You learn through these hard X, but I'm gonna tell you this right now. I'm surprised everyone thinks it's a foul. I'm like, this dude jumped with his leg all the way out. That ain't no natural shooting motion. Why is that a foul? Like- You didn't think it was a foul?

Nope. Nope. The officials admitting it's a foul and you're saying it's not a foul still. I'm saying that had they called that, we'd be way more outraged today. No. We'd be way more outraged. First No We'd be way more outraged first of all because there are eight billion Nick fans Let's start there

But then second of all just it's because it's the way he was trying he wasn't trying to make it your your He's trying to fan. You're a Nick. I'm not Impartial. Yeah, what do you mean? You're not a Knicks fan? Not a Knicks fan. I haven't rooted for the Knicks in like 25 years What are you talking about? He's a great of the league Greg. What are you mean? You're not a Knicks fan. I'm not a Knicks fan. I haven't rooted for the Knicks in like 25 years What are you talking about? He's right in the league. What are you doing? Why are you not in the penalty box? This isn't you get to sit up there with your thermos relaxing. Like what why are you not I? Thought it was a beer at first. He's got a big grin dad. He's talking my favorite part is he's actually talking Yes, no microphone and he's just gay He's doing show probably better show out there than anything that he's actually talking. No microphone and he's just doing show probably

better show out there than anything that he's doing in here. Dan can I ask you a question? Are you a fan of chicken? Yes. You are? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha on his own show out there. You're asking me questions about chicken so you guys can laugh at the lack of flavor in my chicken. Where are you going with this? So I did a thing for Pablo Torre Finds Out and it was about the infatuation, first of all the NBA with the free chicken giveaway. So a lot of NBA arenas that do this thing that if the opponent misses two free throws in the fourth quarter,

everybody in the building gets either a free chicken sandwich or chicken wings or something like that. But then in the process of me doing this investigation for Poblatory Finds Out, I discovered that there is one particular individual who is a god amongst men in terms of giving away chicken to opposing fans. Do we have the video queued up?

So you might be asking yourself, how much does Yana Santana Cupo love fast food chicken? And the only answer I can come up with is, as much as any human being has ever loved anything. So you might be asking yourself, how much does Yana Sena de Cupo love fast food chicken? And the only answer I can come up with is as much as any human being has ever loved anything in the history of mankind. Are we getting free chick-fil-a for life now? I want free chick-fil-a for life. There's no way.

That's why, that's why I signed in Milwaukee, so I can get free chick-fil-et for life. So there's all of these documented instances of Yanis professing his love for chicken. Like there's a time he showed up to a press conference with a bucket of chicken wings. There's a time where he tweeted about Roscoe's and how much he loves Roscoe's and wishes they would open one in Milwaukee.

There's the trip to China where he goes and he professes love for chicken feet. Try the chicken feet. I love chicken feet. You love chicken feet? I love chicken feet. Okay. I now am remembering how Yanis, you know, won All-Star MVP and decided to celebrate in

the way that you are alluding to. So what's it feel like to finally witness this thing? We need a chicken dinner. And yet, none of this has to do with the promo that we're talking about. So this is his love of chicken in general, but what about how he's interacted with the incentives that were dissected? Okay, so here's a video of him at a Milwaukee Bucks game where there's a chicken giveaway while the opposing team is in a chicken scenario He's on the bench obviously it's end's the end of the game, and he pulls a phone out to scan

the QR code for the free chicken giveaway that they're giving to the fans. He's so enthusiastic about chicken and about the promo, he wants in on it like everyone else in the arena. It's such ridiculous video that I'm overlooking the fact that Giannis just had a cell phone on the bench, by the way. You never know. You never know when a QR code might pop up Pablo. So Dan, the the premise of the investigation that there's an oddball investigation for Pablo Torre finds out is that

Yana Sananacumpo, very huge fan of chicken as we've seen through that little montage video. We've established that. Yeah, he when it comes to missing free throws that end up giving free chicken to the crowd he is the greatest among them all there was a question as to whether this could actually be intentional because we actually went through and did the analytics a heavy crunching of numbers

including by the way creating the analytics to measure such an event of numbers, including, by the way, creating the analytics to measure such an event. Do we have that video ready? In eligibility, I'm trying to run through the research here that you've assembled for a term that you dropped on our audience as if anybody would know what the fuck you're talking about.

Yes, what I've found, Pablo, is when you are investigating ground that has not been sullied by human feet, right? You have to create metrics to measure the things that no one even considered. And so we came up with this term chicken eligible shots. If the opposing player makes the first free throw, guess what? We don't care what happens on that second free throw shot, right? So the only way we can figure out if you're handing out chicken as an opposing player is if you are converted I do I thought they were eligible shots so that's the second missed free throw after you missed the

first one right you've created a helpful graphic here chicken eligible parentheses ee any free throw where a miss on that individual shot would result in the activation of a chicken based promo. Yes, precisely. We have another term we need you to understand. Why? Because metrics, we have to build metrics off of this. It's not enough to say, hey, how many chicken eligible shots did he take?

Oh, sorry. You're moving us from counting stats now to... Efficiency, which is the key to any good metric is we want to know how efficient you are. Of course. Of course I must agree with this. And here's the graphic. The chicken conversion rate, which is your chicken eligible misses divided by your chicken eligible attempts. In essence, this number gives you the efficiency you have at providing chicken to 20,000 people.

So just to over explain this, CCR is the rate at which a player will miss a free throw with chicken on the line. Yes. And so, Giannis Antetokounmpo, when it comes to his conversion rate when he's chicken eligible, I mean, is what? So his CCR over the last two years, 80%. 80% of the time, he's got an opportunity to get you chicken, he comes home with it. Eight out of 10 times, Giannis is converting free chicken for the crowd. Yeah, he's shooting 20%. Yeah. That's pretty bad.

It's awful. Yeah, but he's also a bad free throw shooter though. Sure, yeah, I mean look, he's not great at shooting free throws, right? Overall in his career, he's in the 60 percentage spot, but the only time we have a drop is when he's shooting free throws versus when he's shooting free throws with Chicken on the line.

And then that drop goes from 64% all the way down to 20%. Pablo, that is the difference. That delta that we have there is the equivalent of Steph Curry shooting a free throw versus Shaquille O'Neal. You're making an official accusation that he shoots 64% equivalent of step courage of the people versus shakil on the old you're making an official accusation that he shoots sixty four percent on free throws in the fourth quarter and that it goes down to twenty percent when it's chicken that's not a coincidence

when the chickens on the line yes i'm not making accusations and i'm asking questions because it is an investigation uh... i will go on to say that you should watch the entire episode of find out to discover our findings including Pablo took it a step further and he went and talked to the closest source to Giannis Anarokumpo known a man, Thanasis. I feel like we've already covered it we don't need to have Pablo Tauri finds out. I feel like we just saw it right now. You don't know what the findings are you don't know what Thanasis had to say about it. And that's the important part, Dan.

If you go on Pablo Torres Finds Out, but you're the one finding out, then you feel like- Well, he says he's not finding out. He says he's just asking questions. I thought an investigation didn't just ask questions. I thought an investigation came up with answers. Well, it does come up with answers.

The answers, unfortunately, are in the episode that you're gonna have to watch. Pablo Torres Finds Out out the award winning podcast that takes journalists and others, including the oddball crew, and investigates things that ask questions. Whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't like the way you frame that one. Takes journalists and others, like this clown over here.

Are you a journalist? I am now. What? Hey, Dan, let me ask you a question. How many Peabody's you have? Might be one zero for all the meat over here. You have a Peabody? I'm about to win one. Really? Populatory finds out. It's nominated. You guys in here? Yeah, but it's nominated for a different episode. No, that's not true. Not this episode. No, this episode is for

next year's Peabody's. This year's Peabody's for the one where I stayed at the haunted hotel in Oklahoma City. Wow. Two time Peabody's. This year's Peabody's for the one where I stayed at the Haunted Hotel in Oklahoma City. Wow. Two time Peabody winner. Let me play some sound here for a group of journalists about a show that actually does investigations that produce answers. I don't know if you guys saw this happen with 60 Minutes,

and I know that our war against the media in this country is so strong that even an establishment like 60 Minutes that has done groundbreaking important and award-winning Journalism for longer than just about any television show that there has ever been When the last minute of 60 minutes ends with what I'm about to play for you You should be a little bit concerned about everything that's happening with this country around the media and more importantly with the power and money that resides above media that controls media in a way that makes

it very difficult to separate the business of media from the objectives of media. So look at what it is that 60 Minutes ended with here because I found it to be a little bit debilitating as I continue to see people all over America who have F-U money and never say F-U because like the Cleveland Browns or anyone else who was scared by Trump yesterday there are a whole lot of people running scared when you're arresting judges over immigration stuff. In tonight's last minute a note on Bill Owens who until this past week was executive producer of 60 minutes. He was our boss. Bill was with CBS News nearly 40 years, 26 years at 60 minutes. Bill resigned Tuesday, it was hard on him and hard on us, but he did it for us and you.

Stories we pursued for 57 years are often controversial, lately the Israel-Gaza war and the Trump administration. Bill made sure they were accurate and fair, he was tough that way. But our parent company Paramount is trying to complete a merger. The Trump administration must approve it. Paramount began to supervise our content in new ways. None of our stories has been blocked, but Bill felt he lost the independence that honest journalism requires. blocked but bill felt he lost the independence that honest journalism

requires no one here is happy about it but in resigning bill proved one thing he was the right person to lead 60 minutes all along brutal great oh that's it that's that's I'm surprised paramount let that on, right? I mean, that was pretty damning. I always admire the John Olivers and the David Lettermans and the people who take out their employers on their employers' time and their employers' dime. show, shout, hey, we're under duress here because the money is in charge, reminds me of what happened to John Stewart in leaving Apple, and I've never heard him talk about it because he was doing stuff on Apple that was dangerous and honest and good, and Apple, with all the money in the world, said, no thank you, John Stewart, Stewart whatever your talent is we'd prefer to go another route I just think the more and more of this that happens I am a combination of both grateful and afraid about what we

do around here with the independence of these microphones because they're getting less and less independent as people in power and people with money run away from someone who they feel like has more power and money and is more shameless about wrecking some very basic things about democracy that he doesn't respect as he tries to turn the world into his personal bank. Yeah, when you have the President of the United States undermining journalism and, you know, propagating the phrase fake journalism and fake news. No, but and being rewarded for it by a constituency in an America that is at least partially aligned with hating the media that way. Hating the media more than it loves democracy evidently in in the behavior that seems to be the

case but when you have billionaires buying the Washington Post and stuff like that it just it undermines the whole concept because the money talks you know the money is gonna make a profit over journalistic integrity every time so CBS Sunday morning I've told you this is a wonderful show for old people on Sundays the demo has to be over 70 years old I watch it they they do good television Consistently and yesterday they did the bill Belichick interview that no one else has done and it was super awkward, and his girlfriend Jordan was in the shadows. And when asked, when Bill Belichick was asked,

how did you two meet? You hear shouted off camera, we're not gonna answer that, because they showed her as being a presence in everything that he was doing during the interview, and that is Front-facing Pablo Torre finds out on its way to a Peabody nomination did some reporting and has reported that Jordan his

24 25 year old girlfriend is Acting basically as his manager and publicist and his handling Things that he's probably too old to handle, right? If you're 72 years old, aren't we assuming that most people like Belichick or like Cody that they can't do much of anything for themselves technologically, that they are giant technological toddlers? Absolutely. I'm surprised you can use your phone, Greg. Thank you. Thanks, Roy.

You're welcome. Yeah, I'm a lot of it. What of it? That kind of thing. Exactly it that kind of thing exactly that kind of thing she's also behind Jordan is she's also behind Belichick's suing for trademark rights to a couple of the phrases that he made popular well with New England so or reportedly she's behind that effort, so. Is Bill Belichick okay?

Like, are we certain he's not being held captive? Or like, against his will? I think he's still great. Like, it seems, I don't know. He's doing amazing. Do you think he picked out the sweatshirt that he was wearing that had the holes in it? Cause like, that's right on the line of fashion

and just slob, right? It's a thin line, fashion and slob, right? I mean, he's always kind of teetered that line. But I can't decide if that outfit was picked out for him or not. I don't think he picks out anything anymore. Well. Which, by the way, if all you wanted to do

was coach football, all these other decisions, get in the way, what should I wear, what do we eat, what do I post on Instagram? Now you've found this wonderful human being who takes care of all of those things. This is the best thing ever. And more. You might be right.

Like this might be his dream, right? He doesn't have to do anything but think about football. Even in the interview, right, where we're like, this is not a typical interview for Bill, like Bill doesn't really do that many interviews, right? Like how many times we see him get interviewed? So he's completely out of his elements. So for him, that probably was like a normal interview. CBS Sunday morning is his element.

That demo is 73 years old He's 73 and that demo is 73. It is Magical television, but it's also much slower than average television. They go at their leisurely Sunday morning pace I was surprised to see him on there and I was also surprised to see all of this framing like that all of this framing. Like that, all of that seems to me to be not the look a college coach or leader would normally want around his program. The doing of an interview where they're showing you

all of the wires and behind the scenes in a way that I don't know if Jordan and Bill would feel betrayed by that but I could see how they would be I could see how they would not like the off-camera stuff ending up on camera because of whatever salacious content is around everybody's curious everybody in sports is curious about what's happening in that relationship as a journalist and I don't want to go down journalism talk but like as a journalist,

how did you feel about that? Because that very much seemed like off the record kind of things that were going on. It's in the middle of an interview, but it was off camera, off scene. I don't think that they anticipated that there'd be a camera pointing off to the side where you would see Jordan in the background

and hear her kind of interrupting. And they elected to air that. Now, I believe the reports are that wasn't the only interruption, that that was going on a number of times, so they chose to air a portion of it for you to understand kind of what you were going on with, but how did you feel kind of seeing

that they chose to air that portion of the interview? I would ask Greg Cody what his rules are on this. Usually when someone says off the record is when things are off the record for print media, but television rules are a little more slippery and I haven't seen that before. I could understand how Jordan and Belichick would feel betrayed by how it is that played out even though I could argue that television's only responsibility there is to frame the truth.

I think it's absolutely newsworthy that they aired that. Chances are what she said was the most newsworthy thing to come out of that interview. Absolutely. This is a new and improved down-leve-tar show with the Stugarts. Gamble on by DraftKings. Folks, listen up. They're here and they're hot. Get ready because Jimmy John's is turning up the heat.

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