The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Greg and Stugotz's Competing Book Sales

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

We begin Hour 1 with another installment of "Behind the Bit" taking a look at the time Greg Cote scooped Dan's engagement ahead of Dan or Valerie being able to let their loved ones know the news. Then, as we continue to celebrate Greg's birthday, we learn more details about his "Back In My Day" book, but Stugotz ALSO has news regarding his "Personal Record Book" despite clearly not knowing what's in it. Plus, the ACC's new commemorative coin looks like...something. Also, Ron Magill is here! He chats with the crew about Greg's Birthday and Jai Alai before he answers a Mystery Crate question about Siegfried and Roy's Tiger and explains why animals don't know how big they are, why bringing wooly mammoths out of extinction is dangerous, and why Chimp Crazy is, well, crazy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You may have wondered to yourself, what are these bits? What's wrong with these people? And what comes over me when my head falls to the table was Mike Ryan saying, I'm sure this is exactly how Valerie would have wanted everyone to get the news that you are marrying her. Hmm. What? Wow. Wait a minute.

Quite the scoop. Greg Cody of the Miami Herald has put in the Miami Herald than a lifelong bachelor, Dan Levitard. He's put this in the Miami Herald. How, what does the article say? There is major personal news for ESPN's Dan Levitard. He's been keeping it secret. Here it is.

That's the headline. There is his son of course laughing harder than anybody. What a jerk a journalist jackass his father is. One of South Florida's most steadfastly unmarried men, a Guy People magazine once called one of America's most eligible bachelors is no is available no more. Dan Lebatard is off the market. The popular Miami-based ESPN radio and television host who just signed a four-year contract extension

with the network. He's covering me like an athlete. Why is he talking about you like he doesn't know you? He's covering me like an athlete. Lebatard, former Miami Herald sports columnist, has not yet announced his engagement publicly on either of his ESPN platforms. So God's just texted me congratulations. That's a big day. Ford's columnist has not yet announced his engagement publicly on either of his ESPN platforms.

So God's just texted me congratulations. That's a big day. So God's just texted me congratulations right now while sitting next to me and hearing the story. Sources close to the couple tell us Levitard popped the question during a recent vacation in Kenya and Tanzania. A safari organized by Zoo Miami's Ron McGill, a weekly regular on Dan's radio show. No!

No! Dan met Valerie, a lifelong Miamian, two years ago, noticing her walking through a restaurant at which his parents, Gonzalo Papi and Lourdes, were celebrating their 49th wedding anniversary. Dan is 49, by the way. His bride-to-be is 29. No!

Your best wishes and or snarky comments go here. Unbelievable listening to it back that he did that. Is it? It remains, oh yes, it remains unbelievable. I can't, look at my expression there. I can't be mad at that person no matter what he does. What he did was he did his job, okay? That's what a journalist does.

He takes his friend's private information and he shares it with the world. That's what he does. No, no, okay? That's what a journalist does. He takes his friend's private information and he shares it with the world. That's what he does now. That's not journalism. It's a betrayal. It's an outright betrayal. I've never been prouder of Brett Cody. What's the matter with you, dude?

What do you mean? I reported the truth. Very accurate. Super duper accurate. Stunningly accurate. And a lot of detail. Lot of detail. And a total betrayal. Yes, well the magic is in the betrayal. It's not in the detail.

This is how it all came out. I was learning right here and look at my face frozen on the screen now. Does it seem like I'm enraged? Look at me. Stu, did you know beforehand or were you really finding out there? I had no idea. No, Greg broke the news to me. That's why I congratulated Dan via text. I was happy for him. Big day. And listening back to it, I realized because I hadn't seen the video that Stu Gotz was

congratulating me by text while sitting right next to me. Of course. I thought he was texting in from elsewhere when I was just hearing the audio. In the room, how upset was Dan Ridley? Oh, he was pissed. And a lot of that pissiness kind of was on behalf of Valerie because, like, if you're a man, if you're a semi-famous man and you want people to, you want to surprise people about this engagement.

Your friend who also works in newspapers should not be unveiling said surprise, but not your permission. And that's what happened. Did you have any idea your dad was gonna write that article? No clue. I knew that he wanted that scoop because I think he knew that it was coming. But no,

I remember seeing it come across our Twitter, me and Billy, because Billy in that clip explains, hey, something just happened. I just, I can to this day remember the feeling of, oh my God, he did it. I started getting selfish. I started worrying about my job. I was like, is he this is big My dad may have just cost me my job You remember that I remember texting you. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you were panic terrified You were panic-stricken. Did he give you like I was like trying to get him like unveil that it was all a bit I'm like, please tell me Dan let you do this or say he's just like no, I just went with it I'm like, oh my god

I think my thinking at the time was I knew I was revealing it to the general public, but I assumed that Dan had already informed everyone in his inner circle privately. I'm sweating just thinking back to that day. Okay, well you survived a kid. Greg, do you think the reason that you're more willing to go for it is you trust in your relationship with Dan?

No, I try to strike that balance. I know my friendship with Dan is long enough and deep enough to survive something like this. And honestly, I think he genuinely was shocked and initially upset that I did this. But I think some of it after that became a little bit of show schtick. I think he was upset genuinely and surprised.

I think he was pretty upset. Does Greg often go rogue? Not like that, he's never done that, but here's the worst part of it, he was rewarded for it. Got more clicks than any story he's ever written. That somehow is the biggest news story Greg Cody has ever broken, no joke. Know your friends, man.

I mean, it's your fault. You told Greg, what'd you expect Greg to do with that when you told him? You know him, he's your best friend. I did not expect him to put it in the newspaper. I did. Because it's a betrayal. So many clicks though.

And that too. Yeah, no, it was good for business on my end. And I've never denied that. I said earlier that, you know, the Levantard Show is sort of a beat that I cover in a way. What Dan does is newsworthy to my readers. That it was the birth of you becoming a click whore. Well, that, that like, that like ever since then,

you've just been, what can I write? Like you saw the clicks from the proposal thing, from the engagement. And you just, since then, what can I write that will get the most clicks? How did Valerie take it? She found it funny. She generally finds very funny

whenever I'm the butt of the joke. That's one of her favorites. And Billy's. Yeah. Well, you know what? You're still married, right? What is that? Well, you know, it proves that I didn't throw a wrench into the whole Thing I mean everything worked out great. You're welcome. I could say I mean

You know, I mean, you know, thank you. So I should be thanking you for betraying me You know, I saved you the stamps on sending out the message to everyone that you probably would have emailed. I don't know how you would have broken the news if it weren't for me. You probably would have said it on the air. What's the difference between me reporting it in the Miami Herald and you mentioning it on the show? I scooped you. That's why you're sore. I scooped you. No, it would have been nice for my wife to be able to tell people the way that she wanted to tell people.

Oh, but she knew. It's not like I surprised her with the news. Yes, she did know. Okay. Yeah, okay. You didn't surprise her. You simply betrayed her as well. Yeah, but you know.

You didn't surprise her. You also surprised her in betraying her, but you didn't surprise her that we were engaged. True. Yeah, I wouldn't call it a betrayal. I think that's a little strong. What's the word you would use? You know, just reporting the news. In this case, I was happy, happy to break the good news, the good news involving one of my best friends and a lovely bride-to-be. I was happy to break that news, very proud that I did.

And you were sore at first, but you know, you've gotten over it. Our friendship survived. You enjoyed writing that last sentence. Dan is 49, by the way. His bride-to-be is 29. Oh no! Your best wishes and or snarky comments go here.

I did enjoy it though. It was a nice little touch. You want the dismount to be a little humorous. And so that worked for me. Because it did read sort of like a news story. And it read like I did, like Christopher said. It read like I was writing about someone who I didn't even know, let alone was good friends with.

So, we had a little tweak, a little smirk at the end there. A little something, a little... Really, as fine a work as you have ever done. All things considered. You know what? That may be an exaggeration, but I'm going to take it. It's probably one of the most noteworthy. That and my trade merino call are probably the two things that and and calling Conor Mcdave overrated that's my that's my gold silver and bronze so we're pretty happy about that do you guys not trust Greg now it's getting to the point where we're going to have to feed him fake news to avoid any any of these things happening again did Did you know Chris was gonna have this reaction, Greg? No, but he tends to be a little panicked

whenever anything like that comes. You know, I could name a myriad of other things I've written where he gets a little nervous and, you know, just a million examples. When I reported that Stan Van Gundy's wife had passed away, he didn't want me to do that either, even though it was newsworthy and became big news. But, you know, he's a little nervous when it comes to stuff

that he thinks might make Dan upset. Imagine that. He's my boss. All right, well, he's, you know, whatever. We all survived it. It's okay. They're happily married, thanks to me. No, I'm not taking any credit. Don't worry about that. Ultimately, I don't think I would have just betrayed what he wanted or didn't want me to do. I didn't tell him. But honestly...

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Me being mean to the co-hosts is what allows Stugatz to take a very wealthy vacation right now. Stugatz. It's a winning position for everyone but me. Have you guys not figured this out yet? It's the whole thing is me being rotten straight man as everyone else gets to be incompetent and I yell at them for being incompetent and here's the miracle of it, it's the magic elixir. Bad, which is the only thing Greg Cody can be, becomes good and lovable and it's because standing next to obnoxious strident me makes everyone look that way

Yeah, and the brush with death helped. Yeah, that was planned by me. The whole thing was contrived This is the Don Lebatar show with the StuGards Happy 70th birthday to Greg Cody He has decided on this day to give us the gift of a Back in My Day. It is a sort of fresh Back in My Day. He's gonna read one from his book

as a thanks for all the support so far. We've got dueling book promotions right now because Greg's book will be out October 29th. Couple of books, cutting it up. And he'll read one more back in my day next week if the book cracks the top 100 of all books on Amazon, which seems like a big ass. Ultimatum. Wow.

And if the book, by some miracle, gets to be the number one overall book on Amazon, then there will be some giveaways like signed copies shirts maybe even an invite to his party so he's trying to bribe people to buy his book to get an invitation to his seventieth birthday party yeah that has to be vetted by my wife right she hasn't quite agreed to that yet she's in charge of the guest list so if you're not invited to my party and i know you blame her uh... if you're invited to my party and you really don't want to go blame her as well isn't that in like two weeks so people need to act fast as a deck fast by books uh... they're on pre-order

uh... back in my day and uh... that kind of thing uh... well promoted as always just petered out we will get to a fresh sort of fresh back in my day from that book, he wrote three of them. We will get to the promoting of Stugatz's book, which finally has words in it. Yes. I see a book with words in it.

Yep. Not many of them are mine, but there are words in that book. This is evidently a gift. There are not many copies yet, and this is a... Well, it's something called a galley, Dan. I know, like, you wouldn't know that. You're not an author. You're not a writer. I am. It's called a galley. That is a book they sent to me.

They sent me ten copies and they asked me to hand them out to people who were very special in my life. And so because it's Greg Cody's 70th birthday, I wanted to give the first one to Greg Cody, who wrote a chapter in this book and also announced that right now, starting right now, if you go to stugotsbook.com and you preorder, you will get two bonus chapters of my personal record book. And if you already ordered a different preorder, we will honor that as well. You just have to fill out the

form at stugotsbook.com and you get two bonus chapters courtesy of me. How about that? So you had two people write chapters for your book that aren't included in versions of the book? Well they're my takes yeah so we had bonus chapters it's a bonus chapter it's a pre-order incentive Billy you know what I'm saying StuGotsBook.com. By the way also does that book have any marking on it like pre-published, anything? It says on it, advanced uncorrected proofs. And it says on sale 11, 26, 24.

Call the galley. Yeah, don't give away the galleys. If there's only 10 of those, they're more valuable. Sign those and sell them for more money. I understand, but Greg means a lot to me. It's his 70th birthday. I want his book to do well. I want my book to do well.

I want both of our books to do very, very well well and I wanted to give the first copy to Greg Cody He contributed to the book. I think I think you make a deal here You give him one of your galleys for one of his galleys and then you still have ten galleys You can give away a galley swap I see there's another gift in here as well for Greg. Yes, there seem to be some lotto tickets here It's a mega millions. I believe it's 800 million. I spent a hundred dollars on Greg. It's tonight, by the way $100 on Greg for his birthday. Very nice, and I will tell you if you win 80 20 my way Check the date on those Dano cuz this could be old lotto tickets. I got him yesterday. I know but make sure it's the draw

That's for today. It's the draw for tonight. 8020? 5050. Wait a minute. It says here 99 of 23. Yeah, when's the drawing? Tonight. It is yesterday. If you know megan million, it's 24. It's 24 is the year. Unbelievable. Damn it's been uh... well anyway the book is real their words in it that i saw writing that is real in that i'm reading the actual words but what actual writing is not by stugats is by other people but thoughts uh... they are not it's not i didn't read any thoughts of his i read that andre dawson's thoughts

but i was great hawk greg what are you doing i was looking for my chapter but you know it has the table of contents that i'd be a good it's a long table of content what is the it's a sizable book worth every penny about but this i can't believe we've gotten this far the book now exists in some form and i will read a couple of the things. Chapter 16 evidently is the compiler. Ah, the compiler. That's all

you know about it? That's it. It could be about anyone. That's literally all he wrote on it. That's all he knows. Table of contents. That's the whole chapter. Do you know anything about your own books? You wrote a great foreword. Stan Van Gundy contributed Tim Kirch and Greg Cody Mina times Scott van Pelt Who's who and Andre Dawson Taylor write any of this book? No, he didn't he did it He's a cheater guy chapter eight is point fraud. You know that who the Chris Paul chapter. Yes Yeah, I think you guys will do a better job guessing than Stugatz what these chapters are about. I didn't name the chapters. That wasn't, you know, I wasn't in that thing.

Did you do anything? Well, yeah, listen, I've been signing things nonstop. I have, what's it called, carpal tunnel or something like that. I mean, I am signing. Do you really? Yes. Oh man, how are you playing golf?

I don't know, well, I'm not. I have thousands of things to sign. When your hand starts hurting from writing, that doesn't mean you have carpal tunnel syndrome What does it mean? It just means your hand is sore man. Just need to put my hand to use Chapter 17 dizzy What is it you tell us not gonna take a quiz? The truth will set you spree ah spree well

What did you write that was Spreewell related? You gotta buy the book, Dan. I don't wanna give it away. He has no idea what's in his own book. Stugotsbook.com, your pre-order, you get two bonus chapters. What about Caitlin Clark? How about that?

Oh, wow. Topical. Who wrote the rebuttal to Caitlin Clark? No rebuttals on the bonus chapters, none. Well, the bonus chapters aren't appearing in the book. They're bonus chapters. Yeah, that's what they call them bonus. If you buy the book today,

you get two additional chapters that no one else is gonna get. Are you just gonna email people? They're not in the book. The two bonus chapters aren't in the book. I'm not certain how Random House is gonna do it, but they've done this before, Dan, so I'm told, and so they have it figured out.

A leaflet maybe maybe like a newsletter Perhaps are you doing an audiobook? Like are you I am doing an audio book? Are you you doing the audio book? It will have my voice on it. Yes. Oh you still didn't commit Are you using AI to dub your your audiobook? No. No, you just said it will have my voice. How do I do that? Somebody will do it for him. Maybe it'll be Chad GPT. Jessica. Chad. I want to talk about this commemorative coin

the ACC has put out. Have you seen this, Dugat? Because I can't. That's tails. Can we zoom in a little bit video team? Okay, Eric Wood posted this yesterday and said

it was a coin given to one of his buddies after the coin toss at the Louisville game. And I said, is this real? And he said, yes. So we're going with that. That's my reporting for the day. Apparently this was the coin they used in the coin toss. And if you look closely, you can see the asshole.

Yeah. Wow. That is a can see the asshole. Yeah. Wow. That is a culo, Dan. Yeah. It does look like an asshole, but it also looks like something pornographic. It has to be like an optical illusion, where it's actually something else, and we're all just looking at it wrong.

No, it's. That looks like female genitalia. For the audio audience, Dad, why don't you paint the picture? You don't have to rub that portion, video team. I'm not really sure what you're doing. Paint the picture, dad. I don't even want to look at that picture, that coin. Let's zoom out a little.

How is this real? It shouldn't be. Well, like, what is this supposed to be? So if you flip it upside down, it's, you know, a guy snapping a football. Oh! There you go! It still makes sense. It's still bad.

That is somehow worse. Why are we seeing the crack of his ass? Oh, there you go. It's still falling off. Makes sense. It's still red. That is somehow worse. Why are we seeing the crack of his ass? That's a good question. I legitimately thought it was legs up in the air. Guys, I see you. Wait, really? That's the goal post off in the distance?

We got it, guys. We got it. No, I think you could zoom in a little bit further. If you're listening to this right now and you can't see it, I retweeted it yesterday. It's sort of like an embossed coin with what appears to be a football player snapping a football, but it's an angle shooting up from underneath the turf into the grundle area. So it's very graphic. And I think you're right, Stu, guys. That is supposed to be a goalpost.

However, this was apparently tails tails and it looks like an H Which is also very confusing and another reason why I don't think this coin is very One of the funny things about this is that we showed it and I Encourage the audio audience to go find this on YouTube because of how funny this is What you initially showed me Jessica because I also didn't know that it was upside down, I thought it was some sort of ram of some sort ready to have sex. Like, I didn't under, a ram.

How do you talk us through that real quick? Yeah, let's, like Matthew Stafford? Roar Shack test. The head of the ram, do you not see the horns? Maybe put it on the big board behind Dan and he can walk over. That's a good idea, Billy. Is the football the head of the ram, do you not see the horns? Maybe put it on the big board behind Dan and he can walk up. That's a good idea Billy. Is the football the head of the ram in this picture?

Yes, I see, yes. I see a sort of a Greek mythological ram of some sort that is really ready, legs up in the air for either gynecology exam or. No stirrups though. Easy for you to say. Or just getting ready for, yes, legs thrown up in the air, not in stirrups, getting ready for yes legs thrown up in the air not in stirrups getting ready for sex That's what I saw this coin white and yellow for everyone or blue and black Dan

There's a there's a picture behind you on the big video board if you want to sort of show us what the horns are Yeah, he's walking to the board. That's the horns. That's the horns. Football. That's the football, yeah. Self explanatory. It's not. It is and some people can't find what you're looking for. I don't see a bull. Yeah, it's just... I gotta be honest, I see a clit.

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with take the oxy out of it, that's what you are. I didn't say it, I'm saying that's something that Dan would say. Oh, no, I see, okay. I love you. You didn't say I love you back. You're mad at me. Put it on the polka air mode. Does Stugots throw out I love you's only to get I love you's back?

Greg, I love you. I love you. Okay. Feel better now. This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats. Hello Ron. Hello, how are you doing Chris? Doing well sir.

We're about to get going here. It's Greg's birthday. It is Greg's birthday. The actual birthday. What about to get going here. It's Greg's birthday. It is Greg's birthday, the actual birthday. What? Are you kidding me? It's Greg's birthday? It is. How did I just find this out? Well, now you know.

I'm a dumb turkey, do you think I am? I was gonna put on a little birthday hat and streamers, all kinds of stuff, but I thought I'd be too much over the top for you guys. You weren't gonna do that, I mean. I was gonna do that, I swear I was gonna do it. Are you attending his birthday party? Of course I am.

Really? We hope so. Huh? We hope so. I wouldn't miss that birthday party for the world. I it. Are you attending his birthday party? Of course I am. We hope so. Huh? We hope so. I wouldn't miss that birthday party for the world. I wanna see if you're gonna be attending it, Stugatz. I already said yes, plus one. No, you said yes. Stugatz is a lot of things that don't show up.

Stugatz did actually RSVP successfully with his plus one, with his wife. I don't know if he's gonna show up, but he RSVP'd. I plan on being there. I'll believe it when I see it, but that goes. You're doubting me, huh? You won't be able to get off, buddy. You won't be able to get'd. I plan on being there. I'll believe it when I see it. Really? You're doubting me, huh? You won't be able to get off, buddy. You won't be able to get off, you're on a boat.

Well, I don't like boats, I will tell you that right now. I am not a big fan of boats. There's a lot of people slinging their commitments around and I just need to make sure both Greg Cody and Ron McGill are committed to attending the first battle court game of the season that fans are allowed to attend. Ooh, when is that? Friday night. Cyclones. Friday night, I'll be there.

I was gonna ask you, did we do a draft this year? How did that go? We did. And we have a guy on the team named Ron. Highlight player named Ron? Yeah, he went two and oh in his match. They were presently second in the standings. We took a lot of chances and really reshaped this roster. So far, paying

immediate dividends. It looks like the cyclones are poised for a playoff run. Greg, if there's a... That's what I want to hear, brother. That's what I want to hear, but I will be there. I got the email from Sandy. If there's a Highlight player and his name is Ron, I assume he's bad at Highlight. Yeah, I do too. Is that fair? Yeah. I don't know what you're doing there because Ron, Ron, affectionately known as Ron Ron, Ron Ron comes from- That changes everything. Yeah, from Highlight Royalty has a, has a, comes,

his father runs a Highlight Academy in Southeast Asia. The dude- He's a coach's kid. Yeah. The dude knows how to play. And he came in really sharp, really in shape. And we're really excited for how he fits in with the rest of this roster. Whatever happened to Joey?

Joey was a highlight player from the 1980s. Yeah, let's bring him back. He's 64. It's okay. So? It's all right. Age is just a number, man. Exactly.

Not in athletics, age generally matters as you witnessed last night. You're right. Ron, we have a really important question for you. So last week on Mystery Crate we were talking about Siegfried and Roy, the famous Vegas act. Tiger trainers. Yes, exactly. And Taylor, our esteemed colleague, his parents almost took him to the show in which Roy was attacked by one of the Tigers, Manticore. However, they were tired and jet-lagged so they didn't go and he didn't see

an event that likely would have changed his entire life as we were researching this incident we read on wikipedia that roy had a stroke the night of the incident and roy claims that the tiger knew he was having a stroke and was trying to save him by dragging him off the stage

and uh... other people involved in the situation said that's not true. He had a stroke because of massive blood loss from being attacked by a tiger. And it caused quite a quite a stir on Mystery Crate. We were not sure who to believe or what happened. So my question is what do you know about this incident and is it possible for a tiger to see someone having a stroke and try to save their life? A tiger can see someone being incapacitated

in one way or another. I will say this, that that tiger did not mean to kill Roy. Because if he meant to kill Roy, he would have killed Roy instantly by grabbing him by the neck and killing him, which is what the tiger does. The fact that he kind of picked up Roy and dragged him off and by doing so caused that injury that, you know,

kind of bled out and might've led to the stroke. But the bottom line is that tiger and might've led to the stroke. But the bottom line is that Tiger was not intending to kill Roy. If it was intending to kill Roy, I promise you Roy would've been dead in two seconds. So the Tiger was trying to escape a situation that was unknown to it when he saw Roy either fall

or for whatever reason become incapacitated and was picking Roy up. And by doing so, assuming you have to understand, he doesn't look at Roy as little Roy the human being. He looks at Roy as a conspecific, as another tiger, as part of the pack, so to speak, even though tigers are solitary animals, I understand that. But in this arena that this tiger was living in,

Roy was kind of the head tiger, you see? And he was kind of helping, helping is a bad word, but he was trying to remove Roy helping is a bad word, but he was trying to remove Roy from a situation where he saw Roy was not right. Again, he was not trying to kill Roy. If he tried to kill Roy, Roy would have been dead. So you're saying it's plausible. It's plausible. Okay. It's plausible that the tiger saw something happened to Roy, whether it's just simply falling down or having a stroke, I don't know, I'm not a medical expert, but the tiger saw something in Roy. I know it's been proven that, yes, Roy fell down,

whether he fell down because of a stroke, whether he fell down because of a trip, or whatever, but that caused a change in the routine. Put Roy in a compromised position and the tiger was just trying to remove that compromise, remove him out of that compromised position. Again, if the tiger's picking up another tiger, it doesn't do the damage that he does when he picks up a small human being like Roy. And that's what caused that catastrophic injury. So how do we know in the moment when an animal is trying to help and when an animal is trying to hurt?

Like Harambe may have just been trying to help that child, but instead Harambe is no longer with us. Absolutely, Billy. And I know where you're going on this. Exactly. Harambe didn't mean to hurt that child, but Harambe was dragging that child around as if he was another gorilla. Let me ask you something.

If it was your child and you saw this gorilla slinging this little boy back and forth against concrete walls and water and any second could smash his head against the concrete, now a gorilla may be able to sustain that kind of injury, but that little boy could not. So yes, Harambe was not trying to intentionally hurt that boy, but it doesn't negate the situation that put that boy in a life-threatening position, because Harambe didn't understand his own strength there. This was a tragic situation in many, many different respects. So yes, Harambe, I believe, was never trying to intend to hurt that child, but in doing what he would do with another gorilla could have easily killed that child.

Why do animals not realize their size? Like that happens with dogs a lot, right? Where they're like little puppies and then the dog like, oh, he used to hide under the coffee table. And then like this dog now is, you know, 250 pounds and still goes under the coffee table, stands up, lifts the coffee table. Well, first of all, animals, generally speaking,

do not even recognize themselves in a mirror. They look in a mirror they don't recognize it's their own reflection. Very very only a handful of animals can do that you know dolphins chimpanzees but most animals don't even recognize that which is why you get all those funny videos of you know dogs barking at the mirror or fighting you know roosters slashing and attacking their own for reflection. But the bottom line is this, it all depends on the environment that you're raised in. Like I said, those tigers were basically raised by Roy.

They don't know how big they're getting, how strong they're getting until they're put to the test. It's the same, you can do that with an elephant in the wild. Dan will confirm that we had this big elephant come at us and we didn't run away and that elephant said, oh, why aren't you running away? That elephant knew for one second how big and strong it was, there wouldn't be a question there. But it stood back because I don't really know and these people, I don't know, maybe they could beat me up. So these are all things,

animals are intelligent, but they still don't self-recognize each other in the way that we do. I can relate. I have a 90-pound dog that jumps on my wife like a little tiny lap dog. It's amazing to see. Ron, I read a headline. I don't know how to react to it. I don't know what to feel about it, so put it in perspective for me. Woolly Mammoth De-Extinction is nearing reality, and we have no idea what happens next. Yeah, you know, we're going into down a very slippery slope there Greg it's one of those things where you know talk about bringing back extinct species that Didn't go extinct for any other reason other than natural evolution of the earth This was not an animal that went extinct because humans went out and killed them

Okay, this was just a change in the planet. That was a natural change I think it's very very dangerous when we start fussing around with Mother Nature. As much as I would love to see a live woolly mammoth, that's why would I love to see it, for my own entertainment, for my own fascination. What good is that doing the woolly mammoth? What good is that doing the earth for that matter? It's just creating a curiosity thing. It's like the freak show, you know, when you used to go to the circus.

What good is it seeing, you know, the bearded lady? Not doing her any good at all. It's doing us this fascination. So I'd be very, very careful. Now, if it was species that became extinct because of our neglect, because of our abuse, that's a different story. But this is a company that I, listen,

again, it's a fine line you're walking on here, but they wanna bring back extinct or endangered species. Okay, I understand that, but why did those species go extinct in the first place? It may have been a very legitimate reason for the evolution of the planet itself and bringing them back may be setting us back away. So you need to be careful with that. And again, are you bringing an animal back from extinction just to make it the focal point?

Now I know there's people who are going to say, well, isn't that what you do in zoos all the time? No, it's not. Not good accredited zoos, okay? What we do is we have animals that are born under human care, that are here as an insurance policy against an uncertain future in the wild because of humans, because we're destroying habitat,

because we're hunting animals out of their natural habitat. These are animals, the woolly mammoth is an animal that became extinct because of normal evolution of the planet. There may be a good reason for that, and bringing it back a woolly mammoth could open up another Pandora's box. So I'd be very careful and I'd be very very hesitant to support these these companies that are trying to do this because it's gonna be

a windfall for them money-wise. Can you imagine you're back a woolly mammoth this belongs to us now and you have to pay this much to see it. Okay it's all about the money Greg and I'm not a big fan of that. Ron, I'm curious if you have read or seen anything about the new documentary Chimp Crazy involving the famous chimp Tonka and what your thoughts are on that. I have seen that. You know, as I've always said, extremism in any form is dangerous. This woman is an extremist to say the least. She's playing with fire and she's doing something that is very, very dangerous and trying to equate these animals with human children.

She said, I love these animals more than I love my children. That right there is a huge red flag, but the way she treats these animals and the position she puts herself in, I'll tell you, there's several scenes that I saw on the first couple of shows where she's lucky that she just doesn't reach her hand and just strain it right through the bars.

And you can tell when they get very upset. This is a very dangerous situation. I think Tonka is probably still alive somewhere because this is the kind of woman that would, do anything she could to protect her kid. And I can relate to that kind of love, but not for chimpanzee and the perspective she's putting it into.

These animals should never be maintained as quote unquote pets. They should not be dressed up in little onesies and put on with diapers. Listen, that's something that, oh God, you had to put that picture up there, please. This is getting borderline insanity. All right, let me just, she's a whack job.

Okay, she's an absolute whack job. And when you watch the show, you'll see what I mean. I try to be as professional as I can in these types of things, but when I see programs like this, and I see a woman like this getting a platform where she's trying to convince people that this is normal, it is not.

It's not only not normal, it is dangerous. And it's cruel to these animals, as you can see the conditions that they're being kept in on those situations. I love a pissed off Ron McGill. Starts calling people whack jobs. Ron, we appreciate it. We will talk to you next week, my friend. All right, brother. We'll see you guys at the party soon. Battle Court Friday. That's the party he's referring to. Oh, of course. Yes. Battle Court. When you're hiring for your small business, you want to find quality professionals that are right for the role.

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