The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Greg Toady (feat. Ron Magill)

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

"Anyone who criticizes it should be shot." Ron Magill stops by to get insulted by Dan, who is having a tremendous day angering the people he loves, and to take us through the animal kingdom, inclu...ding bald eagles, manatees, and sea anemones. Also, what in the world was Team USA thinking with their approach to their game against Italy last night? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stucats podcast. So the heat are officially agitated by some of what's already happening on a fun night for Miami nationally. I have just gotten a text here. Hey, Kobe took the last 24 shots and wasn't criticized at the time. Don't know what would have happened if the lizards, it says lizards here, played basketball instead of mucking. it up with five smalls, but their bigs couldn't guard BAM anyway. Bam probably earned
Starting point is 00:00:39 more free throws based on how often he was fouled than he got in that game. And then I also got the tweet sent to me from Ethan Skolnick, who is speaking on behalf of the Heat fan base. There is no written...
Starting point is 00:00:54 There is no written rule. He's faster than you are, Tony. You're not as close to you. I have to, you know, press the button or whatever. It's not because he's closer to me. It's because it's his gimmick and he's better, he's faster at it because he's sharpened it over the years. Ethan Scholnick writes. Hold on a second. I'd like you to make the case how me being closer to him means what I say it.
Starting point is 00:01:13 Because you don't have to put your finger on the button. I'm literally further away. It takes more time for it to reach my ears and it does your ears. That's science, buddy. Oh, no way. No way. Minor penalty, two minutes for a shit contribution. No way.
Starting point is 00:01:28 It's geographic down. Take the puppet with you. Take the puppet with you. Ethan Skolnik writes And leave it there. Mike's rage at the puppet has overtaken the entire environment.
Starting point is 00:01:44 There is no written rule in sports about who is worthy of breaking a record. Every player for the past 20 years has stepped on a court with a chance to score more than 81 points. One did in a win, someone who's better at defense. If you can't celebrate that, stop watching.
Starting point is 00:02:00 There is some hatred of basketball that is polluting some of the coverage in a way that bothers me as someone who really loves basketball and doesn't mind it evolving into a different sport than it has been. But my rage is reserved for the man who presently joins us right now. Ron McGill has been making a farewell retirement tour on every media outlet known to man except the one that cares about him most, this one right here. the people who support Ron McGill's endowment, and I don't mean to turn a syrupy, wonderful, nice thing
Starting point is 00:02:36 into something that is filled with hot acid, but I am rabid with rage that Ron McGill has taken weeks and now is going to come on here and give us the same sound bites he's given everyone else about his emotional leaving in retirement of the zoo. Ron, instead of celebrating you, explain yourself. I just can't believe what I just heard. No, I'm serious. I can't believe what I just heard. I was out of town. I announced my retirement two weeks ago, three weeks ago. I immediately went out of town with my wife. I was unavailable. I had an emergency procedure come up at the zoo where I couldn't go on the last week. And we rescheduled for this week. But if you look in my retirement video, which, you know, first of all, I was not prepared for the reaction to this. I was thinking I was just making an announcement on my social media platform for my friends to know what was going on.
Starting point is 00:03:33 And that was it. I did not expect the overwhelming response that came of it. And if you notice in that recording that I made, I think there is a picture of you there, Dan. I think there's a picture of you there where I'm specifically talking about people in the media who helped create the career. Oh, that means nothing. You have 400 people behind you in the media. Like, look at all those pictures behind you, that shrine to the media that has helped you make you the legend that you are today it doesn't mean anything to be one of your media friends you have seventh out you're a media friend prostitute in that video these people are not on that video you're on that video
Starting point is 00:04:13 that's what a lot of people saw a lot of people don't see that they're not in my office and i don't have a picture of you because i've asked for it many many times but you're just too good to send it i don't have head shots i'm not going to it's not going to it's not it doesn't need to be a headshot you shut up i don't have head shots all these all these These head shots, he's not all headshots. There's some nice casual shots of just people that are my, you know, I thought were my friends. Look behind you, they're all head shots. They're all glamour shots behind you of an assortment of media people.
Starting point is 00:04:44 There's a lot of headshots there. There's also some non-head shots. It doesn't have to be exclusively a headshot, Dan. Okay? I am thrilled for you. I've known for a while that this has been in the works. I play on the front end with our most beloved. figure here because you have been making the rounds and you have been tapping into some emotions,
Starting point is 00:05:08 as you've said, that surprised you. I'm surprised, though, that after all these years, you're surprised that people care about you. You care about the animals in an uncommon way, and you're going to be missed because you can't be replaced. Well, no, that's not true. First of all, I'm retiring from Miami-Dade County. I'm not leaving the zoo because the Zoo Miami Foundation has created this fantastic position for me that's going to make. me to do all the things that I love to do. I'm going to run the travel program. I'm going to do the speaking engagements. I'm going to work as an expert for the media without the bureaucracy and a lot of red tape that's normally associated with county government. And what has surprised you about the
Starting point is 00:05:45 reaction? Just the extent of it. I mean, I came in the next morning. I made that announcement that evening. And then the next morning I come to the zoo, I get to the zoo at 6 a.m. every day. And I'm driving in and there's three live news trucks in front of the zoo. And I'm panicking. I'm thinking, oh my god something got out something died somebody got hurt what happened and i drive up to one of the botogs and i go what do you guys here for me without hesitation he goes for you dummy and i went what that didn't register to me it really didn't register to me uh all i can conclude is that it was a very very very very slow news day no why do you do this uh can you guys help me with this uh his self deprecation is charming but no but come on ron ron ron you're an icon in south florida when
Starting point is 00:06:28 you're a fossil I'm a fossil. Well, you're that too. You've been around for 46 years. You're an iconic fossil. That's fine. I've been along for a long time. But if I have one more person come up to me and tell me how I went to their kindergarten class
Starting point is 00:06:42 and they want to introduce me to their kids, I don't know how I'm going to deal with that because, you know, there's that old saying that says, how old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? I'm in my mid-30s. I mean, but then I have these adults with their own kids coming to them and telling their kids, oh, he went to my class when I was in kindergarten, and I'm like, that's hard for me to register. I don't understand that. Ron, we are a transient community. We don't have very many South Florida icons, and you are somebody who reaches across multiple generations as someone who's associated, not just
Starting point is 00:07:17 with the zoo, but caring and decent to both animals and humans. There aren't a lot of people like that in South Florida publicly or privately. And so I insist that you take this praise and this applause because people will miss you because you cannot be replaced. There's never been anything like you in the history of the city and there will never again be anything like you in the history of the city. You're very kind, Ann, I really appreciate those words. I just don't, you know, like I said, I carry a chip on my shoulder for a long time because
Starting point is 00:07:50 I got a lot of undeserved credit. I'm just, I tell people, I'm a storyteller. The story are the people you don't see. I know because I used to be one of those people. You know, the irony of life is that I'm here now. I have a nice office. I get a very nice paycheck. And I worked less hard than I did when I was out there with a wheelbarrow and a rake in the rain,
Starting point is 00:08:09 picking up crap and dumping it in dumpsters and not getting any kind of recognition for anything. When I was, in fact, doing the work that was making people like me in the office get all the credit that they don't deserve. And that's kind of a juxtaposition that bothers me. So it's a hard time for me to accept this praise when really I'm just a storyteller now. Now, I really appreciate that. I mean, I really profoundly appreciate the love. You know, people come up to me and they want to take a picture and stuff. And people ask me, does it bother you when people do that?
Starting point is 00:08:38 Let me ask you something. Would it bother anybody to have someone come up to you say, can I take a picture with you? I mean, that's like the greatest compliment you can have that people even know who you are. So that for me, it's just hard for me to take because I come from a very kind of humble family where my dad always made me realize, listen, you're not such a hot thing. Okay, he said, you're very smart, but you're no better than anybody else.
Starting point is 00:09:01 And that was raised out. I mean, he was half right. You're not that smart. So let's play some videos here for Ron McGill that we have. We have first, and perhaps you can explain this. A snake is eating itself, and it ends up regurgitates when something,
Starting point is 00:09:20 when hand sanitizer is put on it. Can you explain to me why it is that the snake arrives at eating itself and what happens here that the hand sanitizer makes it uncoil? That's a king snake and king snakes regularly feed on other snakes. Now snakes are not necessarily the brightest bulb in the chandelier. It may have had a feeding reaction and caught its own tail by mistake and just instinctively started swallowing its own tail. It also could have been purposely fed its own tail by the person trying to make the video who wants clicks from people like you who are going to to put it on the air so it gets more of the hits that it wants. So I take all of this stuff with a grain of salt now.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Having said that king snakes are snake eaters. They feed on other snakes and it's not incomprehensible that it would mistakenly see its tail and bite his tail and start feeding on the tail. But would it die that way? Would it keep going? It wouldn't die. It wouldn't die. It would eventually regurgitate that when it realized, I can't eat this.
Starting point is 00:10:18 It would eventually regurgitate. Let's play another video here for Ron. and you guys, please do some play-by-play on this, Ron. This is not, you have told us before, that the sea is not an area of expertise for you, but regardless, do some play-by-play here if you can. Okay, I give you my best shot. Ah, it's a type of anemone.
Starting point is 00:10:41 It's so, it's kind of dancing through the ocean. They're looking for another host to launch itself, to latch itself onto, because these anemones need to find a coral, some type of foundation to latch itself onto, and that's what it's doing right now. that's its way of swimming to find another location that it will eventually let onto and then grow onto that coral and be homes for things like clownfish and other animals that use anemones as kind of a base for their home because anemones are toxic. They have a toxin in them and some fish like the clownfish are immune to those toxins.
Starting point is 00:11:10 So the clownfish go in there and they're protected by the anemone so they're not eaten by other fish that are not immune to those toxins and are afraid of the anemone. Can you explain to people what an an anemone is? Anemone is a type of invertebrate that lives in the ocean that I don't know how to explain it. It's a living thing that's in the ocean that feeds on fish, feeds on different types of, you know, animals in the ocean to swim by. We'll go into the anemone, and then there's toxins in those little tentacles that kill the fish and consume the fish. But the anemone doesn't swim. It has to lure them in there. So it does so with those tentacles, fish are curious that look to feed in there and the tentacles grab it.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Now, animals like the clownfish have an immunity to those toxins. and hence use the anemone as a safe space where it can hide in there not be affected by the toxins and not be eaten by other fish that would be affected by the toxins. Hey, Roy, buddy. You know that energy shift when the game gets good, and everybody altogether in unison knows to stand up on their feet? Oh, absolutely, Mike. Yeah, you've been at many big-time sporting events.
Starting point is 00:12:16 You know that moment quite well. That's what it's like when you take your first sip of Cuervo. Oh, delicious. It's the signal that says We're not checking the time anymore, pal It's when small talk turns into stories Quervo man, it's at High Five a random stranger effect
Starting point is 00:12:31 That's right, the game is popping You're hugging people you never met before That's the kind of energy that Quervo brings It's so smooth, so delicious That's the Quervo effect Keep it, Quervo Don Lebertard The elephant went into a 7-11
Starting point is 00:12:48 And bought a pack of cigarettes But my question to Ron is this. Stugats. That joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to, didn't it? We all just stared at you. This is the Dan Lebatar show with a Stugats. You have alleged before quite controversially that the eagle is just a buzzard with a good... A good PR agent.
Starting point is 00:13:13 A good PR agent. Yes, a vulture with a good PR agent. Let's play this video of an eagle and see if you want to retract your statement because this eagle, because this eagle is going into the water with its claws and very efficiently, you know, very efficiently grabbing a fish. And that's fairly amazing right there. Those are hard to catch. They're not easy to catch. And I'm not to say that the eagle is not a good hunter when it needs to be.
Starting point is 00:13:40 However, it will always take the easy way out. Yeah, a little small. It will always take the easy way out in the sense that it would rather get a fish that's dead on the shore. It would rather steal the fish from another bird or it would rather find itself at a dump site where it could eat trash. The most eagles I've ever seen in my life were in Alaska on a dump site
Starting point is 00:14:00 where there were 200 plus eagles eating trash off of the dump. Ron, you know what that looks like to me? America, Jack. A nice bald eagle flying through the sky. Getting a fish that I thought was going to be a lot bigger when he pulled it out, by the way. I was expecting like a salmon,
Starting point is 00:14:16 like the grizzly bears get in the wild. What is the heaviest fish? that a bird of prey can get out of the water? What is the greatest thing that you've seen in that regard? I mean, I've seen eagles and ospreys get fish, you know, three, four pounds out of the water, and that's a lot when you consider the bird itself only weighs maybe seven or eight pounds. Let's study some manatees here with Ron McGill, shall we? I'd like to see some moments here between manatees. They are got a ton of it here in South Florida. What's the one? What's happening here, Ron?
Starting point is 00:14:51 What's happening here? This is probably a Crystal River or one of those places that has a natural spring that provides warm water during the coal streaks. When we have our coal fronts come through Florida, these manatees instinctively go to these springs. They'll go to places like FP&L, some of the nuclear plants that send out the warm water. They all go to get the warm water because they're very susceptible to cold. Cold can stun them and can kill them, in fact. So during cold streaks, you will see these manatees literally congregate sometimes in the hundreds. I know at Crystal River I was there once
Starting point is 00:15:22 when there was over 400 manatees all congregated in this one river where all this warm water is coming out and that's what they're there for. They're there to get the warm water that they need to survive. Ron, in hot days, are they looking for cold water? And if so, there's been times where people that I've seen, not that I have done it
Starting point is 00:15:38 myself, people that I've seen have given them water out of the mangara on their face to like, because they're in this hot canal in the keys or whatever and it's like, here's a little bit of fresh water. They love the hoses. They love the water from the hoses. They love the hoses, but they're not loving the hoses to cool them off. They're loving the hoses for the fresh water to drink.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Is this a romantic moment here between manatees? What is happening here? I am not sure what's happening there. No, it's not necessarily a romantic moment. It's certainly a meeting moment, kind of, you know, recognizing each other, trying to figure out who each other is, but it's not a romantic moment. Romantic gets a little bit more involved. Let's play a sound here for Ron and have him guess the animal.
Starting point is 00:16:25 That's it. That's what you're giving me? What do you think that animal looks like? Just keep playing it for it. That's not long enough to tell me anything. It almost sounds like a dog barking, but I couldn't tell you what that is. If you had to take a guess that wasn't a dog, go ahead and go through the animal kingdom and see what it is that you find, just the size of the animal. Could be a toad. It could be... Could be.
Starting point is 00:17:00 I have no idea with that. It sounds like I said, some type of toad or something like that. It could be breeding leopards, you know? That is Greg Tody. That is the stomach of Greg Tody after he has not even. eaten for 16 hours and has just been having a lot of coffee. It's how a show ended the other day. It was his stomach.
Starting point is 00:17:24 I just threw up a little bit of my mouth. That's disgusting. That's disgusting. Right? It's strange that he would not eat anything for 16 hours and then have two thermuses full of coffee and be surprised when his stomach starts making those sounds. Yeah, what's strange is that it's recorded. That's what's strange.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Ron, you know what's strange that is recorded that people are really just taking liberties with and I don't really like it. Have you heard about this new dinosaur show with Morgan Freeman? I think Spielberg has touched it a little bit. I heard about it. I haven't seen it, but I heard about it. Okay. What I'm done with is these people, anybody in the scientific community,
Starting point is 00:18:00 thinking they know what happened 265 million years ago. Oh, this is how they would eat. This is how they walked. The T-Rex actually didn't sound like that. It sounded more like a frog. You people have no idea what you're talking about. Everything dinosaur-related is absolute hogwash. Ron McGill.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Thank you, Mike. 6,000 actually. You know, Tony, I'm with you on most of that. You know, there are some bases on how they can figure out how a dinosaur may have walked just by the skeletal structure and how they can compare it to skeletal structures of today's animals. But when you come to color, when you come to sounds, no, I'm with you. I mean, that's all strictly guessing.
Starting point is 00:18:37 They're pulling it out of their butt. It was like, oh, this is the mating dance. It's like, you have seven bones of the animal. How the frick do you know? I'm with you, Tony. I'm with you. but you know people are interested in that kind of stuff so they'll keep throwing it out there so they keep getting the clicks buddy i am hopeful that ron will be around here even more and that we will be doing even more with him in retirement he's not going anywhere
Starting point is 00:18:59 to this show and the love that he has for its fans and the love they have for him a reminder if you want to celebrate a retiring ron McGill, his endowment, the charity is supported by our fans and his fans through this show more than it is anywhere else. And he is now going to be running that endowment, basically full time. So he's going to be concentrating on. Look at that. Damn, that's a long time ago. Using your money to buy himself a Cadillac and fancier clothes and go to New York vacations with
Starting point is 00:19:36 his wife. He laughs in your face at your charity because he, he is a shameless criminal. Thank you, Ron. We appreciate your time. Congratulations on your retirement. It's been earned. You deserve to rest a little bit
Starting point is 00:19:49 and concentrate only on the things that you love the most. Thank you, Dan. Thank you guys. We'll talk to you soon. What did you think of BAMs 83 last night, Ron? I thought they were freaking phenomenal. I thought it was fantastic.
Starting point is 00:20:01 And, you know, anybody's trying to downplay that should be shot. I mean, this is a wonderful task in the sense that. You know, nobody since Wilt has done that. He beat Kobe. I mean, come on. This is a huge thing. Should be shot. He couldn't be more right about this.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Anyone who critic, so wait a minute. So you would have no problem. You would defend me and you would come to court. If I just wander around Miami right now and anyone who was criticizing them, I just shot them. With a water pistol. See you later, Ron.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Good talking to you. Can I get that Greg Cody video again as he's bothered by his neighbors because he's not filming this himself. He's picked a 10. He's picked a terrible, terrible week to leave, okay? The Dolphins have a new quarterback. Bam scores 83.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Max Crosby's trade is rescinded. The Italians beat the Americans because the American manager didn't know that it was a game that would have possibly cost them elimination. And here's Greg Cote commenting from Barbados. Okay. So, I'm on vacation in the Caribbean. and all kind of stuff keeps happening in South Florida Sports. Stop it.
Starting point is 00:21:11 I'm on a beach in Tortola, British Virgin Islands, and I find out that the canned tuna and sign Malik Willis, the dolphins have. And now we're docking in Barbados, rum capital of the world. We'll be doing some rum later today on a beautiful rum tour. There's a rival cruise ship in the background. Anyway, now we're pulling into Barbados. And all anybody's talking about is Bam out of Pio scored 803 points. Somebody told me Bam scored 83.
Starting point is 00:21:46 I'm like, in a week in three or four games, that's pretty good. 83 points in one game. Hey. Morning. You probably will to see the path. Okay. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Oh, okay. No, no, that's okay. That's okay. Those are our friends from, the suite next door. What did I say? Oh, yeah. For three, four games.
Starting point is 00:22:11 South Florida sports, quit doing things that are newsworthy while I'm on vacation. Have a little respect. Bam, on a bio of all people's scored in 83 points, more than Michael Jordan ever did, more than LeBron James. It's just insane. Anyway, I'll be drinking some rum today while things keep happening in South Florida sports. Put it on the poll, please. are the balconies on cruise ships private enough?
Starting point is 00:22:38 And also, as it relates to him, rumming and his stomach rumbling, he's going to have so much rum today that his stomach is going to be making sounds like that. And Zaslow, I'm not making this up when I say my brother's, my late brother's very first art exhibit, Greg Cody, an adult, a responsible adult, didn't know that you have to have the beer after the late. He had a bunch of wine after the beer. And at my brother's very first art exhibit, he knocked a painting off the wall because he had had so much to drink. And he's now headed toward a bunch of rum. And what, Tony? Come on. We talked about, we talked to Ron.
Starting point is 00:23:21 He's deserved this beautiful retirement and, you know, embezzling our money and all that stuff. Right. Correct. Greg Cody deserves a little bit of run on, you know, in Tortuga, wherever he was. It's Barbados. It's not Tortuga. The other one, Tortellini, wherever he was. Totalit.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Turtle and Tortolina is a pasta. If you play the other one from yesterday, I don't even know what he was saying. He's in the United States of Tortorilla. Why is the other ship a rival? Any ship that's a competing cruise line would be the rival to the business. It's a cutthroat industry. How are you guys just bypassing the fact that one of my friends at my brothers art exhibit? These are things that are supposed to be at least a little formal.
Starting point is 00:24:01 Couldn't, an adult, couldn't drink correctly. enough to not knock one of the paintings off of the wall because he didn't bump into it like graze against it with his shoulder he was over there fiddle faddling around and knock the painting off like fiddle faddling I felt good when we said it I also said manatees at one point Mike explain your feelings about the puppet the puppet is great and I love Tony's use of the puppet today. And the puppet does indeed look like me, although we have to do something about how gray that beard is. We have to darken some of it. That hair came in gray and now has been darken. What are your feelings in general about the puppet? My feelings have been made known.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Not the puppet guy. Not at all a puppet guy here. Although Tony is doing a pretty good job with it in other rooms. Thank you, Tony. I appreciate you taking control of the puppet because I eventually want that puppet to be the inner monologue's inner monologue. I want it to react to what it is that Mike does as the inner monologue and argue with the inner monologue. When Westchette first took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion, inline skates were everywhere, and two out of three women rocked the Rachel.
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Starting point is 00:26:12 Many promotions are available both in store and online, though some may vary. Don Lebertard. I think I would have been on his side. I would have been on his side. I would have looked at you like, what did you say? I'm telling you, me and my friend, the rest of the way home, all we kept saying was, I ain't cheating. Stugats. I think he got your ass. I think he got your ass.
Starting point is 00:26:30 I got his ass. Chris won this one for sure. Not pathetic. It was great. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. From the other things that happened yesterday, okay? What is the proper amount of attention for me to give the United States losing to Italy and the manager not knowing what the rules are?
Starting point is 00:26:59 Well, it depends a little bit on what happens tonight. Like, depending on what happens tonight. Mexico is favored to beat the U.S. favored to beat Italy. But as long as they score more than five runs, they'll be good. But, I mean, the scoring runs against Italy. It seemed like the U.S. struggled with that for a long stretch there. Right now, the U.S. is plus 275 to not advance the last time I checked the line.
Starting point is 00:27:24 I mean, I may have PTSD, but in international competition, when the United States needs Mexico to help them out, they don't tend to do that. It's crazy because they seem to really think they clinched the night before. Like DeRosa was talking before the game, like, oh, there's some guys who were dragging, they stayed up late. He went on one of the MLB network shows and was talking about how, you know, they were going to try to get some other guys playing time. Well, the manager saying they've clinched is a dead giveaway. Yeah. And by the way, in the postgame press conference, Jeremy, he admitted that he got the calculations wrong.
Starting point is 00:28:00 It was interesting. He said he misspoke and then said he got the calculations wrong and then said he misspoke again. Those are two very different things. Those are two totally different things. It seems as though they had no idea what the scenario was for them. now they're in a position where if Mexico wins the game today and scores four or fewer runs, the United States will not advance and it will be Mexico and Italy. In our national pastime, I am looking at Mark DeRosa here and let's hear real quick what it is
Starting point is 00:28:31 that he had to say to explain himself. Yeah, I misspoke. I was on hot stove with a couple buddies today and completely misread the calculations. We knew that Mexico was going to play Italy and then running all the numbers. numbers if we lost tonight with the runs allowed and runs scored and outs. So I just missbo. I don't believe him at all. I don't even understand what he's saying there.
Starting point is 00:28:56 He's saying two different things. The way that they approached the game from their lineup to like what they were doing in the game, the lack of urgency was crazy. Is that true? Like their lineup would portray a team. That's what he said. He said he was going to play people. He wouldn't normally play.
Starting point is 00:29:10 No one where I am with the sport of baseball right now. Do you think it's a huge red flag? if I know the situation better than the manager. Well, I'm going to go a step further on this, okay? If you've been listening to this show for a while, you know that I very infrequently fire people. I very infrequently make the consequences so strong on mistakes that the shame isn't enough as a punishment.
Starting point is 00:29:36 This is a fireable offense. I'm not even kidding you. This kind of mistake on the national stage from Mark DeRosa feels to me in the realm, Tony, of what it is I've said, that Eric Spolstra will regret that timeout that he didn't have that cost them. I thought you were going to fire him again like you did last week. Against the Pistons,
Starting point is 00:29:55 I believe that that will haunt Eric's Bolstra for the rest of his life. I believe it's something that creeps into his sleep and affects it, the fact that at the end of a game, he called a timeout he did not have and cost his team a game against the Pistons. And this is worse. This is worse.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Like, I'm trying to think in the hypothetical. Go ahead if we want to have another goat conversation, most egregious mistake ever made by someone in charge in sports, like this by itself, not knowing that you're playing in a game that might get you eliminated because you think you've already advanced to the next round, is an incompetence so extreme and beyond my understanding? Like, I really don't get.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Like, he's sitting here saying, I misspoke about the numbers. Like, they're so complicated. It's math. It's addition. It's count up the runs. It's not some formula that he's doing that requires computer coding. He said about outs, too. Like, is outs part of the metrics?
Starting point is 00:31:00 Like, we didn't have enough outs this game. Like, what? The only one that I could think of to compare would be J.R. Smith in the finals, thinking that they were ahead. No, but I'm talking about a leader. A leader's job is to lead. A player, a player, can make, that's a great one, obviously, for getting the score.
Starting point is 00:31:16 But now imagine a coach doesn't know what the score is. Just one of those run-of-the-mill world baseball classics with Team USA. We just do this whole hum every day. We, so much so that we don't know this situation. It's like, do you have a coach's meeting? Do you talk about the tournament before? So this is Grady Little, not taking out Pedro Martinez. This is so much worse than that.
Starting point is 00:31:37 This is so much worse. Trusting Pedro Martinez, I can get behind. That seems easy. Well, they almost went to Clayton Kershaw in the eighth inning. He's there basically as an honorary member. He's a vibes guy. He's retired. He's not supposed to be there.
Starting point is 00:31:50 They were going to put her in a vibes guy? It was late in the game. It was the eighth inning, and they're warming up Clayton Kershaw. And everyone's, everyone watching is like, is this for real? Do they not know what's going on? I had to Google if my brain was wrong. Because I'm like, surely, I must be wrong here. Because I'm taking this way more seriously than the manager.
Starting point is 00:32:09 You know about that wrong brain? So this is Pete Carroll going past instead of rush with Marshawn Lynch in the Super Bowl. You're not good at this game. You're just rattling off bad decisions. Those are just individual mistakes. I can defend all of those when you mentioned. Really? You can defend that one? Well, I can defend, look, it wouldn't be a good defense.
Starting point is 00:32:27 It can be defended like you're trying to surprise them with a pass even though you have Marchion Lynch. How do you defend this? Roy Bellamy, bad at this game. You mentioned Kershaw. Kershaw didn't know famously, did not. know that the Dodgers had won the World Series. Like he was confused by, at the end of that game, he was confused. Game seven, he did not know that they had won. He thought that, can you get me
Starting point is 00:32:51 the details on this, what he thought versus what it is that happened? Because I'm saying that with Kershaw, he's old enough that that's just simple senility. That is cognitive decline. He is that old. He was going to be brought in the get. Kershaw was so spent by the end of last season. He might as well have been the statue that they're going to erect for him. He was warming up in the bullpen and he thought that a run had scored on a double play earlier in the inning. So as a result, he's warming up. The game ends and he's still warming up because he has no idea that they just won the
Starting point is 00:33:26 World Series. And they almost, they were going to put him in the game last night. I'm telling you that I'm having a hard time. Roy is terrible at this game, but I'm not any better at it in that off the top of my head, and please just look this up. I'm sure there are many lists everywhere. Most boneheaded decisions made by someone in sports leadership all time. Because this won't be remembered that way
Starting point is 00:33:52 because people don't care about this the way that they care about their own teams. But if this was something that happened, I don't know, in the playoffs, like I don't even know how it is you arrive at the manager not knowing what the stakes of a game are. when he's playing it. Like, it is the equivalent of somebody playing in a playoff game and thinking it's a regular season game. Like, not a manager not understanding that he's in the playoffs. It's like chasing the regular season.
Starting point is 00:34:20 You're in the wild car. You're in that last little play-in game. And you're like, no, I think we're good. And everybody's like, whoa, wait, oh, we got one more game. We got to play it. It would be the nine seed in the play-in game in the NBA, in the play-in going, oh, but if we lose this one, we play again, right? It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.
Starting point is 00:34:39 a fly in your chardonnay? I don't think it's that, Jeremy, because a nine seed isn't likely to win it all! Jeremy can tell you. You can get close. An eight seed got there. A nine seed isn't the Americans overall, so I misspoke earlier, and I said that Mexico was favored against America when Mexico is favored against Italy. We just got the calculations wrong. I misspoke.
Starting point is 00:35:06 can you guys tell me whether or not the Americans are or were favored at the start of this tournament? Was it the Dominican? No, no, no. The Americans were not even even money. It was USA, DR, Japan, and then Venezuela. And it's remained that case until now. Well, the other thing that's interesting about this is that this doesn't get to be the level of historic boneheaded until the next game is played. Because if they actually get eliminated for this, do you retroactively get it?
Starting point is 00:35:36 insanely mad in a historical stain for Mark DeRosa because you're going to associate his name with this particular mistake instead of his major league careers as? Like, where and how does this stick? I don't know that people care enough. I think the people around Team USA are going to know and remember to, I think the average baseball fan is like, oh, that dummy Mark DeRosa, I don't think so. How pumped was he to see Bam get 83 last night? because you swap all the first take topics about BAM with Mark DeRosa.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Mark DeRosa is sitting there in his hotel room. Yeah, Raiders. Way to go Raiders. Way to do that. And locally, the Wizards or the lizards are just as pumped about the Max Crosby development. It's just a whole bunch of people holding up Meachields. So next play on what it is that's going to happen here with Crosby because Zez, I think a lot of people, okay? enjoy NFL free agency.
Starting point is 00:36:38 And I don't think in all of the transactions and movement that there's been over the last 10 days, that there was anything bigger than Max Crosby being traded to the Ravens. Max Crosby, 28 years old, in his prime, a very good pass rusher. And the Ravens doing something they never do, which is trading future capital for today. It's just not the way they've ever run their organization philosophically, but they thought this pass rusher was so important, and they thought their defense was so bad last year that they needed to get the, you know, MVP of the league or someone who's been the MVP of the league help immediately. They may also feel like their clock's kind of ticking.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Well, because of that, because of wherever it is that, look, the Ravens are behaving the way the Rams are with Stafford because they're like, we've got to win now and we think we're a piece away. So they pivot off of Max Crosby, who Jerry Jones was also interested in. And now they go to Trey Hendrickson, which was the best available other option. You have to pay him, and it doesn't cost you. Paying him is different than costing you the kind of draft capital that Max Crosby was going to cost you. So it's just salary cap as opposed to future that you're trading for him. But the mechanics of what just happened.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Why are the Ravens more aggressively in on pass rusher than anyone else in the sport when Jerry Jones also wants a pass rusher? How is Jerry Jones finishing second on both of these guys? Because I think now Max Crosby is indeed damaged goods, right? You can have happened to you with Max Crosby what just happened to the Packers with Micah Parsons. It's a dangerous game. You're trading for your last piece and then your last piece gets injured and you're bleeped. I wish I could catch up to the news cycle on this because Adam Schaefter is doing a lot. lot of reporting on this. Around the league, the Ravens' reputation is taking a hit.
Starting point is 00:38:35 Yeah, this is considered a Bush League move. I know these tests, there isn't a standardized physical across the NFL. No, it's just based on a team's satisfaction. Yeah, it's a subjective thing, and there are a lot of teams that are taking issue with this right now. And you don't think that the Ravens in an NFL franchise have a million ways to go find further medical details on knees, on elbows, on ankles, whatever it is, right? And you have two firsts that are going out the door and they're like, man, Trey Hendrickson, the numbers are probably about the same. We don't have to really do that.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Let's rescind the trade and go sign him instead of giving away the Bush League. Zaz, one of the things that plays into this being considered as Bush League is they made that trade a few days ago. The NFL free agency cycle just started and the Raiders had the most interesting part. The Raiders had a bunch of money to spend. That's the most interesting part is all these guys that the Raiders signed,
Starting point is 00:39:23 I don't think they could sign them anymore. Well, here's one of the things that's happened that I don't think people pay attention to because of the clerical stuff and the places where honor in business is supposed to reside. This is the danger of doing stuff before the NFL calendar year has begun. The only way that these things actually become official transactions is when both people submit, both teams submit all paperwork to the league offices. You can get out of anything before that. It's just that nobody does that. And to your point about doctors, the doctor can concocturances. The doctor can concoct any reason to make someone fail a physical. He's coming off a knee surgery. He can't play
Starting point is 00:40:05 football right now. He's going to fail. At this point, I would take a test at a doctor's office that would make my body more functional for football than Max Crosby's body. And a doctor can say that what the Raiders did is just accuse the Ravens of dishonor. But they win. They win because now they don't give up the draft picks. They get the same kind of player. And all they had to do was give up money for it. Drive King Sportsbook, the number one sportsbook for live betting, is built for March. The tournament is unpredictable, but the rewards are guaranteed, and draft kings is delivering some of the most generous rewards on the market.
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