The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Greg's Private Boycott

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

We have the Suey Nominations for Best Revelation! Then, Adnan Virk lit up Lids and it leads us to learning about Greg Cote's private (and now public) protest of a restaurant that wouldn't serve him a particular type of wing. Plus, David Samson is here to discuss the TV business as there continue to be sports rights issues across multiple networks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunluba Tarshou with the Stugat's Podcast. Dad, I've heard that you do it a lot. Just throughout segments, bank table and you breathe into the mic. You gotta just be a little conscious of it. Okay. Try not to breathe as much. I'll try not to breathe.

Don't worry about it. I'll hold my breath for the rest of the show, except when I'm talking. And then it'll be like a big exhale because I've been holding my breath. No problem, Roy. Don't breathe. Was that wheezing or was that just breathing?

Cause I do tend to wheeze. There are a lot. You wheeze and you just kind of breathe loudly into the mic. Like that. Okay, well, how about if I use my inhaler on the air? How about that sound? We've already started the segment. We started about 20 seconds ago.

I have no idea. Greg Cody has been asked by the producers who regulate sound around here. By his son. And his son, to just be careful about the sounds that he makes at the microphone. And his response was, okay, I'll never breathe again. I will stop breathing. No, it Greg's defense. Chris said said can you try not to breathe as much his father is annoying him because his father does not care about the mechanics of doing any of this his father Is actively

Breathing to have the microphone Sui's last week you don't even know That is you sound like an ocean wave It's you they just keep playing sound of you during one of the previous segments you're breathing in the microphone coughing that is all the way we're going to introduce the sui's that are going on this week from last week and this is best revelations and now the sui nominees for Best Revelation.

David Sampson reveals his hate for dogs was caused by his parents' divorce. It is my recollection that my parents got divorced because the dog that we had when I was a child took a crap in the living room in my dad yelled at my mom and then left her. That was the story that I was always believed is why they got divorced. I had a dog named Spartacus who was a labidore retriever, a big dog that I would snuggle with and cuddle with, and the dog was the cause of my parents' divorce. And since then I have refused to in any way engage with dogs. I was told after when I got older,

I was assured by both my mother and my father that in fact, the dog crapping in the living room had nothing to do with the divorce. However, I still did not believe it because my recollection, and I was four, was yelling, screaming, door slamming, and then that's it. Tony Colatiude reveals Mike Ryan's extremely sad lunch.

I know Mike wasn't eating and there was a time that we all got Mexican and they brought a whole bunch of trays of like queso and cheese and fajitas and like great tacos. Great queso. And then Mike walks in and is like, wow, this is a great spread. Walks over to where the fix is.

You're marked as watering as you describe. It is, yeah. You got that right. Yeah, I felt the too. So all the sudden Mike grabs a bowl and I'm like, oh, finally he's going to eat. I haven't seen Mike eating like this. This is, we were happy he was just going to eat something.

Yes. And then what he does is he picks up a bowl that has a shard of lime in it. And then he squeezes the lime into his mouth. And it's like, that's lunch. Thank you guys. And then he actually went back for seconds and got a second lime and also Squeezing his mouth and then threw it away and that was lunch You just wanted flavor. Yeah, I eat lime so I like I like a tart flavor profile Andrew

Whitworth reveals when he knew he was done playing here's what happened I went in the living room and watching NFL on a Sunday You know obviously we're on Thursday nights. I'm home for the weekends, and my son Michael's playing defensive in his little 11-year-old league. I'm like, hey, let's take a couple. He gets off one time, and I literally wasn't in a good position for my son to get off the ball.

I'm like, you know what? I can't do it. My knee literally never moved. Like I was like, I thought I moved by my feet, never moved, and I was like, you're done. You're absolutely done. You're kicked was like you're done like you're absolutely You're a little bit better kid. You're a little bit more towards me. You're a 11 year old might have altered NFL history depending on the team that you were considering

There's no doubt. He he definitely torts me. Bert Crusher reveals that Dan Levitard was the reason Bert's podcast with Bill Burr ended the podcast with Bill Burr That wasn't you know that was Because it didn't what is that why it ended that wasn't you know that was because it did it what is that why it ended that can't be It ended up a popular podcast. I thought it would go so much better. He was, you know what's so funny is that was, it was the second the last time I've spoken to Bill. Oh no.

Oh no. He did a friend decision. Oh no. Oh my god. And so I haven't, and so it was, I think it was probably more, I don't know what it, I don't know what happened. Yeah. uh, it was, I think it was probably more, I don't know what it, I don't know what happened. But I went in, no, I do not provoke Bill Burr, do not provoke a comedian. It will go very poorly for you.

I spent, I spent the entire interview backpedaling, but he got very angry off the top about the idea that Boston might have some racist tendencies. He was extremely angry. But isn't he always? It was a side of Bill. I've known Bill for a long time. I've been friends with Bill for like 20, 20 years, 20 plus years.

I'll always be friends with Bill. We have not talking in a while, but I'll always be friends with Bill. I love Bill. I respect him, but man, that was a honorary interview. Like I think what was happening was he was grilling out with his family and forgot that we had a podcast. And so when he came in and had to miss the grilling,

so I think that's what's happened. I don't know, I don't know exactly, but I know that I was in Serbia. I kept cutting out and I come back in and you, hello. That was Roy walking into the room. I stopped you, I don't know why I'm hurt. And I come back in and you hello Brian Scalabrini reveals that he used to be Jimmy Butler one-on-one back in Chicago me and Jimmy Butler We used to play one-on-one all the time his rookie year when I was in Chicago and I would beat him all the time, his rookie year when I was in Chicago. And I would beat him. Take that for

dad. What did you tell Jimmy Butler when you giving him that work? His little, too young, you need to listen to some hard rap because that country music ain't working for you. I go, I go to Derek Rose and say, you know, D

Rose, you can't help you. He can't be me and helping you. David Samson reveals the Marlonlins would mess with the radar gun for pictures. We definitely played with the radar gun. No, that's not true. However, the best example of it is that we lowered it for Brad Penny. Because Brad Penny was a picture we had part of the World Series. And what he did in his delivery

is he would throw the ball and on his follow through he would be turning around to look at the radar gun and all he cared about back then it was 96 97 that was amazing forget the 101 102 so we would change the radar gun and he would come off and he'd be so pissed off he's like that was not 93. Brad, it does not matter. It doesn't matter. Just get people out. Stop looking at the radar gun. Greg Cody reveals how him and his wife started dating.

I'm pretty sure both of my parents had significant others, you know, girlfriend, boyfriend, and they, when they met each other, they just both needed to leave their significant others for each other. Mm. That is correct. Oh, how cheated the worst. You were mom, you know, I don't want to mind it. One of that was kind of a detail. No, I don't want to get where you both dating at the time.

Yeah, we were both in a serious relationship. What a talk of cheaters cutting it out. A taudry began with a taudry affair. You're yeah, you was there deceit at the beginning? Was there betrayal at the beginning on both ends of serious committed relationships possible that that happened and weren't that you were the big time sportswriter at the school right like mom left left hers because it was like oh I got a shot with great code here she was she worked on the newspaper in layoff she did

um but and we met and it was love for her side. You were the trophy husband, you were the big catch on campus. Believe it or not, yeah. Which X was most upset afterwards? Your X or mom's X? I think mine, we fell out of a relationship. David Samson reveals the Marlins would hire people to stand in the walk up ticket lines.

We would hire people to stand online for the photo op on day one. Wait, whoa? Hell yeah. Bring donuts. You hired extra winners, ringers. Ringers. Everybody down. You bring an audience.

Who would ever do that? It's all about how's it going to look? Greg Cody, Swinger's cruise revelation. Can we talk about your cruise? He went on an adult's only cruise, Greg. Whoa, a virgin voyage. Have you ever been on a cruise? Are you back?

Started out of Virginia. I have never been on an adult cruise. Wait, I've been on a disco cruise. I was gonna say, Dad, didn't you go on like, didn't you go on like, so? I like, 70s disco that I took to mean a Swinger's cruise. You went on a Swinger's cruise? What are we talking about?

Wait, hold on a second. You went on a Swinger's cruise? I mean when the boat is rocking, don't stop rocking. Come on now. I'm just saying, no, what's a disco cruise? Mega-dum-aing. What were your rules? And you know it.

What were your rules? No rules, just say for it. No. Wow, I'll back. No, there's no rules. Jeff Passen reveals where he was practicing his fake Elmo. I tried it at the ballpark and I'm like, oh God, this is not going to go well. I'm trying.

You're trying on this one. I want to paint the picture of you in the ballpark doing your ballpark night game. This is a true story. You guys have been to the Marlins Park press box, right? Yeah. You know, like when you're walking in the hallway toward the press box, there are two solo bathrooms. Good acoustics. I went into the corner of a bathroom and did it by yourself. Is this gonna work? In Instagram, I'm not talking in a bathroom mirror.

I'm not whispering. Mike Ryan reveals the one celebrity to reject his cameo request. It's the first time I've submitted for a cameo and got a phone call from the camp of the person that was denying my request. I requested Dave Wonsett to do a 90 second promo. I'm like, no, I'm why the big game should be considered by the recording Academy for best musical theater. And I had because of like the weird Mario, Chris, a ball plugged in coaches search contacts that I've made. i got a phone call from someone that was actually with a very confused davis wants that who i heard in the

background in his very distinguishable ags and asking what the heck i did he didn't want to embarrass himself and he thought that we were making a joke of them i tried to explain in excruciating detail what i was going for he still passed at the opportunity to make sure it reveals what donald trump got him as a wedding gift a good friend of my in still passed at the opportunity. Mike sure reveals what Donald Trump got him as a wedding gift. A good friend of my in-laws at the time was a New York real estate mogul named Donald Trump. He later would go on to be the president. So we get in the mail, my wife and I, a giant box from the Trumps that said that and we're like oh my god this is the wedding gift like this is amazing what did Donald Trump get us for a wedding gift

and we pull it out and I'll show it to you it's this vase but wait there's more I believe it is the ugliest object I've ever seen. It's certainly the ugliest object spent in my own. So we're trying to theorize, and there's no note, there's no piece of paper that says, like, here's what this is or anything. So I'm like, what is this story here? I formulated theory.

The theory that I formulate is that it is overflow decoration from one of his casinos. Like he bought 5,000 identical $12 vase to go into the Atlantic City casino. And I was like, right, like imagine you're walking out a hotel corridor in a casino, cheap casino hotel. And there's like stanchions all along the walls, right? And like every 10 feet, there's like a vase that looks fake, fake fancy, right?

Maybe I'll bet that's what this is. And as I'm formulating that theory, I look and I turn it around and look at the back. There's nothing on the back. That was clearly it's designed to just face out like this. And he's so cheap that they didn't eat. like, don't paint the back, the back's gonna face the wall of it to see, you know. Is he Gutierrez reveals he got circumcised his freshman year of college. The reason I was urinating so poorly is that just about a few days earlier during Christmas break, I had decided to get a circumcision.

Oh, whoa! At an 18-year-old. Whoa! I was one of those people who grew up Latin kid, uncut, and then I didn't like it so much. And maybe now that I'm circling back, maybe that comes back to my shy bladder thing. And that was one of those situations

where it was absolutely embarrassing and frankly painful. But I could not say why. Peter King, weed revelations. It came up earlier this week. What animal would you want to get high with? A panda. I really want to be an excellent answer. Excellent answer.

I mean, your entire life. Wouldn't you just love to sort of lay all over a panda? Yes. Yes. What was the meaning of life with a panda? Yeah, but why am I laying on the panda after I get high? I mean, I appreciate the thoughtful answer. Yeah.

Well, look, I haven't been high in a hundred years, but when I used to, I think it would have been a lot of fun. I did once though you guys would be surprised to know. This would have been in 1978 in Athens, Ohio, when I was a senior at Ohio University. Right. I once did a doobie with the doobie brothers. No way!

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little necking. It's a better way to do it than that. You like Miller Lite here though. That's true. We do prefer Miller Lite day and day out. But on Don't let a tart. He's like he needs a wheelbarrow like Mike McDaniel this dog Got a pair he's a man does he get a pair?

My granddaughter sees his shlong My granddaughter saw his shlong I said that's what he means. It's all his stuff. Okay. That's very good. Stugats. It was a little extended. I don't know why he was so excited. All right, very baby. No! What a laugh.

I take this out. It is a baby. Anyway, he ate my couch. This is the Don Lebatar Show with a Stugats. I don't know what the audience's experience is with Adnan Burke. He is the consummate professional. He is a broadcaster's broadcaster. And I think he is a kind and generally decent man, but don't enrage him.

And I don't think people know this side of Adnan Burke. Maybe Chris Cody does. Perhaps Chris Cody, the producer of Cinefile, can tell me that he has seen a rabid Adnan Burke just choose somebody up. I think of Adnan Burke's to got, there are a few people like this in the media. Tim Kirkschen is one of them,

just a nice and decent person. Everybody likes him. And Adnan Burke is in that realm, very personable and easy to get along with. But he is gone to Twitter and he is flamed to company. Adnan Burke is in rage. She says, worst customer service experience of my life, bought this hat, which is $45 plus, I was unaware, another $14 for the ridiculous embroidered back logo i tried to exchange for a hat without the logo was told no returns or exchanges ever i'll never shop here again

lids he lit up lids he's done with lids and i have noticed through got this has to be something that is fallen by the wayside not that I want to be a guy who Long's for back in my day Greg Cody do you have a back in my day today? No because it's us another Sui Tuesday, right? Yeah, maybe next week though. We're thinking about it. It's a weird Tuesday It's a Tuesday that feels like a Monday

It's like a Monday Sui week we lost Jimmy. It's like a ackey, right? Yeah So no back in my day. No. Who spends 50 bucks for a cap? I say the going price of hats nowadays. I long for a day when customer service wasn't shitty. This is fallen by the wayside in our technological times. Nobody will pick up a phone because it's all by email

and Amazon's got too much commerce to worry about your shit. You can just keep it if you want. We're churning too much out here. If we get it wrong, we don't care about customer service anymore. Am I longing for a too romantic day when I say that part of the way things function

has totally fallen apart, that I can't ever get someone on the phone to help me with anything, because nobody answers the phone. You used to be able to just hit zero. Nobody goes to work. Back in my day, you just hit zero and you got somebody. I am just calling customer service and it rings and it's the company saying to me and what, what are you going to do about it?

Are you going to stop shopping at Lidz? Well, Adnan Burke is here to tell you, yes, he is done. He is publicly outraged. You can't get a manager because customer service will bring him one so he is telling you on social media the only recourse of the customer at this point shame lids indolby it he'll shop at lids again we've all done that on social media like i swore to myself i'd never fly jet blue at least seven times and every time I'm flying jet blue. But not everyone is you when we were talking about earlier that Greg

Cody plans a fraud as his last funeral act where the casket will be put into the earth but he will be ashes watching nearby. I would have suspected that that is how how stood gots will go with an act of fraud at the very end. I don't think of it as fraud By the way, I have a boycott going but I've never put it on social media It's a private boycott between myself and my conscience You know, I've never I would not try this is a mom and pop place. I don't want to trash that yeah, don't do that No, I'm manatees in Viral Beach. Well, they wouldn't give me flat wings No, manatees in Viral Beach. Well, they wouldn't give me flat wings.

I'm willing to pay extra. I tell the lady, you know, I'll pay 10, the customary, 10, 15 cents extra for a flat wings. Why can't you give me a flat, what is so complicated about the short order cook being told, okay, he wants all flat and the short order kicks. What? I can't do it. I'm a professional chef. It's more a policy from the restaurant than the cook. You're going after the cook.

I'll give a restaurant. Who's running that restaurant? It's ridiculous. I mean, who's in charge? It's a mom and pop restaurant. I'm trying to order all flat wings. You know, what are they? Yeah, I'm willing to pay extra for them. He's right. You know, I mean who doesn't have flats who didn't have flats right and plus

It all even oh my god five dollars. I know. I'm sorry I'm you got me agitated now because you know It's an equal number of people who prefer drumsticks and who prefer flat True or a man true That's not true now Greg is right some like flat some like or a man. That is not true. That is not true. Greg is right.

Some like flat, some like Trump's. He just said there's it's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one.

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He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. He's not a good one. They should be paying me extra. Thank you. Get all flat. What is your big dreams? Yeah. You know what?

Drums have too much meat on them. I agree. Yes. Very chewy. I order wings you want more bone. I want more chew. You don't like that knuckle? No.

I don't. I hate the knuckle. I like to get more crisp. I like that. The knuckle is crisp. That's what the knuckle is. No thing I don't like is a large wing. if a menu says jumbo wings I'm running in the other direction lead to be tiny tiny wings right tiny bubbles and tiny wings

is what you want yep and and I like and bubbles did you just make a Lawrence Welk reference tiny bubbles yes and tiny wings well key you know and and and cook them well leave them in the url. Another 10, 15 seconds for me. I like a crisp, small, flat wing. I like a crunch. Yes. I'm just confused.

How is that a bad thing? Having more meat on the bone? No, more crunch, less meat. Mm-hmm. Oh, God. Do you have a lot of specifications when you go order at a restaurant? I do.

I'm very picky. I'm very picky. I'm very particular, but if I get great service, it's... You're taking care of them. It's a big, big tip. But you're entitled to. You're going to eat.

It's your money. You're paying for the food. You should have it your way. Cook it my way. Exactly. It's a gacky. It's a gacky. It's a gacky.

It's a gacky favor me with exemplary service. And you'll be repaid in kind. You're looking at a 12% tip. No, that's for bad service. Now you've got your far. I will never I will never stiff the wait staff. If I have the worst service in the world, I will leave 10%. Oh, that's stiffing very bad for them. Well, but they they showed bad shots said if I get the worst service, I won't stiff them. I didn't, 10% is not a stiff. Yes it is, so. It's a tip.

Default-based service. You mean no tip. It's below average. You're saying if you get the worst service, he's leaving 10%, what do you normally leave? The starting point is 15 to 18. Okay. If I get good service, I treat it.

It's now at 22%. Well, you know, come on. I mean, you know, it's a big, big 10. Well, what you just said, I big, big 10. They're not chasing the chicken in the back of the restaurant killing them all they're doing is throwing something in a deep fryer. Come on, what are you paying for?

She's bringing it to the table. She's not even doing all the work. Might be he too. Well, might be he. Wait, Steph. Waiters, waiters, what are you doing? When did 22% become the thing? That's a Norris.

What are you kidding me? What do you do? You just said you big big tip if you get good service you just said you big big tip What does that mean a big tip for me would be 30% plus wow that is a big that's a big tip Yeah, yeah very nice because it's easy to multiply that. You know, if I spend, if I spend 15 bucks in an order of wings and it's good service, I might leave a $4 tip. 33% is a lot easier there,

because you just do the five, you know? Yeah, that's right. Do you like to do the tip where you do the math so that it ends up as an even number for you or do you like to tip an even number? It's a very thoughtful question by you, Billy. Thank you, Greg. I will round up, I prefer the double zeros.

Right, for you or for the tip? For both, it's just neat. Well, it can't be both. It can't be both. Yeah, let's say it's 1824. It's 1824. It can't be both unless the dollar amount of your order is zero.

I will usually round up to benefit the waiter or waitress. My dad does a weird thing. He feels good. Well, if you're going to give a $6 tip, would you rather give a $6 tip or would you rather your bill be $18 flat? No. For example, if the bill is $18.66, I will leave a tip that is a number plus 34 cents. In other words, I want to make the total double zeros if I can.

But if the tip's supposed to be like $6.34, okay? Are you going down to six or up to seven to make everything even? Well, I don't normally do that on the tip. I do that with the total in mind. I like to round the totals. I like to put it on the poll, please, too, too total in mind. I like around the total. I like put it on the poll. Please do at levitators show do flats and drumsticks get eaten in equal amounts. Also put on the poll

when you tip do you throw in a few extra cents so that it can be zeros on your account. Yeah, after the weirdest thing he does though is he fills out both, you know how you get the two receipts, you get the merchant copy and the customer copy, he fills out both. Verson records. But then he folds it up, puts it in his pocket, and then it just goes in the garbage when he gets home.

It's bookkeeping. Mm hmm. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. When you write things down, you remember. No way, no way. That's right. That's right.

Yeah. No, no, no. He's writing great. No, it's not that book is not being kept there that Chris Cody just told you that what would have been the bookkeeping is being thrown in the garbage it's no it's a it's a it's a financial ram of a kid your memory book it's it's it's a cookie you put a receipt on the the junk file in the kitchen you know and then you win over through that every month or so do you memory books. It's it's it's my guess is that you are terrible at this and don't record in any way in your mind or elsewhere what it is that you tipped, what it is,

unless the service was bad and it's damn menities and he'll burn you right to hell. All right, look at here. That was a private thing. When I walk out of a restaurant, I want proof of how much I just spent. That way, if it comes out, not- What happened at Manning Street?

Just look at your credit card bill on my hand. I know, but here's the point. If it comes out on a credit card bill that I spent $45, and in fact, I have a receipt here that says I spent $35. Exactly, right? But you're not even checking on mine, though. You're not even doing that. Oh, I don't pay my bills your mother does god blizzard

and i don't pay a bill i need to do that i just found out a week ago what zeal was that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that in his cell because he didn't know there was an extra step. Chris, my Venmo. How much trouble is to got in because he's not going to be able to get the ticket on YouTube on Sunday? How much trouble is he in because he's going to try and scramble morning up and he doesn't know how to do anything. He's going to try to get it for free.

Isn't that your move? You call every time you wait on hold. You try to get it for free. It was my move with direct TV. I don't know to call it YouTube. I asked my daughter to fix it up for me Well, you also can answer you can't threaten to cancel a YouTube also, so it's not gonna work out for you YouTube subscription you could he doesn't know where to subscribe how to subscribe like I think one o'clock It's gonna come on Sunday and Stu got's isn't gonna know how to get his football luckily

They play on Monday night the jets a few extra days to figure it out. Well, that's on ESPN. Oh, yes. You could just do that the way you've always done it. Great. Don LeBatard, do you realize that for 30 minutes now we might not have been doing good show, but we were doing show for about 30 minutes. And then you just decided to tell the story as if we were in the eating area. Stugats! Many refer to it as a kitchen. Right. Eating area. Comments area.

Who calls it an eating area? Nobody. Nobody. Right. An eating area. What's the better than the sleeping area? Ha ha ha. Let's hang on.

I gotta go to the urinating area. I'll be right back. Eating area. This is the Dalibatar Show with this two gods. I am truly fascinated, Stu Gods, about how our viewing habits are about to change regarding sports as the streaming services fight each other for competition and sports dollars. And eventually it's going to become such a menu that you're gonna get frustrated that some of the things that you're used to seeing you can't see because they've been put somewhere that you weren't expecting them to be put

you're not paying for it. I've told you that ESPN's greatest trick as Disney's biggest money maker for so long is they had 120 million subscribers and 119.5 million of them weren't watching my show. You had a lot of people paying for something they weren't using. Even if it was Monday night football, you still had 110 million people paying for ESPN, but not watching the product. And now finally, charter spectrum has said, no, sports fans, you're not going to get what you're expecting on college football, the US open, and people will get pissed off.

And I don't understand the fight, but David Sampson does. I've told you before, nothing personal is a podcast where he covers sports business better than anyone I've seen, covering sports business, talking about it in a media space and other things that others don't generally talk about in sports. And I was hoping he could illuminate some of what's happening because Disney's in a bit of a crisis. ESPN used to be its biggest thing. And now they seem to be wanting to get rid of it.

David explained this headache to me because sports fans really got pissed off that they couldn't get what they were expecting to get. And was it a third of their subscribers? No, it was about 15 million, but keep in mind, you can still get what you want. You just have to get it from a different place. You're not able to get it on cable the way that spectrum subscribers were able to get it.

But let's get right down to what the fight is. The fight is, you gave us the first part, which is people don't wanna pay for what they're not engaged with. And that was the greatest trick, which is everybody was paying, whether you liked it or not. And so this reality is something that both the cable companies and the networks were aware was coming. The question is, is this the carriage dispute that will mark the beginning of the end of cable and of the way that we watch sports?

There have been carriage disputes that have gone on for years and years and years. And what a dispute means is that ESPN wants the cable company to pay them X dollars for every one of their subscribers. The cable company can't pass along that expense to its customers any longer, so they wanna pay the network fewer dollars. The problem is ESPN counted on every one of those dollars when it bought their live rights

to all the sports they show, and they're contractually obligated to pay those dollars to the leagues, which then pay them to the players. So something's got to give. And when you go all the way down the stream, what's gonna give is revenue that leagues have and that's passed on to players, players salaries could definitely be impacted by this. David, what do you think the answer is to your own question? Oh, the answer is simple is that we are in a time now, where we will pay for what we want.

The question is now to learn how much we will pay for what we want. So it's very easy to be angry on Twitter that you can't watch ESPN on your cable network. But are you willing to not just call spectrum, that they don't care when you call them, are you willing to cancel all of your cable? Because you're so angry that you can't get ESPN and the answer historically has been no. If that turns to a yes, then that will implicate and indicate that no longer

will ESPN be able to charge anywhere near what it has been charging as all of its contracts come up for new negotiation. Where does this end up and how resolute is charter spectrum about sitting this out? So everybody's resolute in the beginning when you're in a dispute. Everyone says they're going to stand their ground and they're not going to move, but then all of a sudden where are the pain points? And ESPN viewed it as a very significant pain point when college football was starting. But I'm not sure that is the pain point.

Here's what I think happens. We will start pain for what we want, and we're going to get used to it, we're going to be okay with it, but it will lead to an even faster path toward consolidation of the streaming services and of all the different channels, if you will, who owns what? And that is something the government's gonna get involved with because there's gonna be some anti-trust implications as well.

Who do you assume will buy ESPN and what is ESPN gonna cost by itself going forward in a couple of years? So ESPN, the rumor is, and the thought is that yet the Disney is trying to get, quote unquote, investors into ESPN. And the purpose for that was to pay down some of the debt of Disney as Disney tries to get its stock price up because it's been dragged by all the debt that it has as a company.

So if you can monetize some limited partner shares in ESPN, that would be great. But when Bob Iger is approached by a company, let's say Apple, who is willing to buy the entire network, that's something that not only will they consider, but I believe they will actually do. And the timing for this is not ideal for ESPN or for Disney because this could have a quashing impact on the actual enterprise value of ESPN, which they are assuming Disney is assuming

will bring in 30 to 40 billion dollars to help them offset some of their debt. And I don't know that even Apple would spend that amount on ESPN given where ESPN pluses and where the general number of subscribers are of ESPN, which is plummeting. What do you find most interesting about everything Disney and ESPN related? I find it most interesting that rights fees continue to do nothing but go up and that Adam Silver

and the NBA is assuming that they're going to keep getting this gravy train to continue, but eventually all runs come to an end, just like with regional sports networks. Teams actually believe that our rights fees would skyrocket year after year we were buying networks trying to get equity and then overnight it disappeared. And I believe that that's the same path we're on. What are the questions not being asked that you're asking on nothing personal about this? One of my big things on nothing personal about this? One of my big things on nothing personal

is how agents and the unions are dealing with this because they're so interested in tying revenue to payroll and that's what you do when you have a salary cap and a salary floor, but no one's ever thought to ask what happens when industry revenue goes down because in sports leagues it's always only gone up but a huge part of revenue for these leagues is the national broadcast deal.

And in 10 years when the NFL is up, and a couple of years when NBA is up, MLB in seven or eight years, what will actually happen if the rights fees stay the same or even go down? I read that, and I was stunned by this, I know that John Skipper, the CEO of Metal Arc, raked the ACC when he was at ESPN. The ACC has a horrific television deal. But I read the other day that when the ACC adds teams, ESPN just has to pay $24 million

for each of the teams that moves over there, even though the conference alignment is all screwed up. Your belief is how different will our viewing habits be in three years? Well, three years ago, how focused were you on streaming and how focused were you on your YouTube and on your video when you were contemplating what your business would be at Metalark? Everybody has made a bet other than Fox that streaming is the way to go except no one's made money.

All the streaming services save Netflix, have lost money, hand over fists, but it's basically been funded by all of the original silos of money which are subscription based. So I believe that it is going to be a total subscription model based on only pain for what you want. And the cream and the best will rise to the top and continue to prosper like your show and only a few others. But you're going to see a lot of things disappear because the truth is they never had an audience to begin with. Basketball rights are not going to be the place where this stops, right? The TV rights, he's going to get silver is going to get what he wants. This round, I believe he will.

This will really come to a head if it would ever impact the NFL because people view the NFL as the shadow in the room that is always going to have increased value because that's what everybody's watching. And it's proven to be the case. But what happens if that changes, that will then impact all the sports downstream of the NFL? You are of the belief. Do I have this wrong?

I don't want to overstate this on your behalf. But you are of the belief that a reckoning is right on the cusp of happening. If the TV right, the Dodgers can pay what they pay because they've got this amazing regional television contract. These made for television event that are 162 times a year are very valuable. You're of the belief that we're approaching an Armageddon in how long that suggests that sports teams might not be as valuable as they seem to be because the TV rights have to go down. Armageddon I wouldn't say adjustment I would.

And three years to me is nothing because it's way too fast, but I'd say certainly in the next decade how everyone is engaged with your show or my show or sports leagues or live sports. It's all going to change. One decade. And how soon are we going to get more of what fans felt this week where they're pissed off because they just can't get their sports? They're not. So that is something that is being promulgated all over. There are still ways to get

ESPN for those who have cable, but your block, your, your blacked out. There are different platforms where it is available that you have access to. What they don't like doing is paying their full cable bill and then having to pay for other services on top of that. But we all do that. We have Max and we have Hulu and then we've got YouTube. So there's all different things that we're doing. But eventually the customer and the consumers adding up what they're doing and saying, wow, we may be paying more than we did when we just had cable. Nothing personal is the podcast.

Thank you, David. We'll talk to you later.