The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: I Only Have Gold Medals

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

Olympic gold medal sprinter Michael Johnson gives us his thoughts on what's going on in Paris and the star quality behind Noah Lyles and Sha'Carri Richardson. Tony is asking people at Miami's famous hot dog stand, Arbetter's, if they can name one Miami Marlin. And we get into desserts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Trademarks owned by Becle, SAB, the CV, copyright 2024, próximo. Jersey City, New Jersey, please drink responsibly. This is the Dan Leventor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. I do not know about the rest of you, but when I hear the name Michael Johnson, it is synonymous for me with Olympic excellence. And Michael Johnson is going to join us here, one of the greatest sprinters of all time. He's going to join us in a little bit to talk about racing. And racing is one of the places where track and field is one of the places

where you can track the evolution of the athlete, the measurements of the athlete, and see how much better the athlete is today than he used to be or she used to be because so many things in evolution have led to today's athlete with science and everything else being the best athlete and I thought Juju made a great point on oddball I want to play the clip here it's not something that I had considered but at some point, we're gonna have to laugh at Michael Jordan's athleticism the way that we laugh at Bob Cousy's athleticism because he comes from such an ancient time that Wemba Nyama is gonna end up making Michael Jordan look like someone who couldn't compete in the age of an athlete 50 years after that.

So Juju brought something up on oddball and I really hadn't considered this and I want to throw it in front of the group. I hope you're sitting down for this right here. I'm about to say please sit down. I'm sitting. South Sudan from these days right here of course. Yeah. And from these days right here, of course, yeah, they will beat the 92 Olympic squad, the dream team. Oh, that was a curve ball that I did not see coming. Total blasphemy. Brothers, I mean, have you seen the rosters?

Larry Bird, old ass shorts will hit the ground once he see Katie Euro step once. Who is he gonna guard? Magic Johnson, much respect, but this ain't the magic of yesteryear. This 1992 Magic Johnson, and dare I say Clyde the Glyde with that goddamn cul-de-sac on his head. Bro, who you gonna guard?

D-Book? Please! And Michael Jordan. Salute to the defense player of the year that you allegedly were. Salute to Tom Habbis-Roe and those numbers coming out. I don't think, brother, trust me, don't trust me.

Sudan, top. I don't know, Larry Bird was already laying on the ground with that bad back. Exactly, he hurt his back doing a pavement, paving his grandma driveway or whatever it was. I don't think those brothers, the mythologicalness of that, the 1992 Dream Team, I think it's been made so much bigger than it actually is. Putting them boys out there,

I think he made a good point with Wimby. Boy, David Robinson would fall out if he seen he had to guard Wimby tonight. You've gone too far. I know I haven't. David Robinson would be like the guy from the era that I would trust in that spot. Yes. I wouldn't trust his ass at all. I trust the pop. All right. You have blasphemed against the mythological past, but Michael Johnson, I see him here

on the screen and he is smiling at this entire conversation, but he too must marvel at the evolution of athletes. And at some point, guys, we really are, I don't know what year it is. I think it's a little, it's a little disrespectful to say that South Sudan would beat the 1992 dream team, but at some point, 30, look at Michael, Michael Johnson is with us.

Why are you shaking your head sadly? I mean, the whole South Sudan thing is just it's crazy I mean, it's just madness the the craziness that's come out of that and then people got some wild ass Theories on that thing man, and and and it's just yeah, it's crazy. I was I was David Robinson was on the 92 team I was on that team that dream team. I mean that was it was phenomenal. I mean, it was on the 92 team. I was on that team, that dream team. I mean that was, it was phenomenal. I mean, it was a phenomenal team. I'm Think the South Sudan team could beat them. But how many years into the future do I need to go before you'd be willing to say

The athlete has evolved so much that of course he's going to he or she is going to dominate an athlete for 50 and 60 or 70 years earlier. I mean, it depends on what type of sport you're talking about. So for a sport like track, it's still gonna be a long time because it's still a skill to the sport. But the training, you know,

the tracks are gonna get faster, shoes are gonna get faster. We see athletes running faster. But like a sport like basketball, you know, man, I don't know when that's going to be where, you know, that a subpar athlete in a sport right now at the bottom of the professional ranks would just run circles around a superstar of 30, 40 years ago. I don't see that happening anytime soon. I onboarded you a bit awkwardly.

I should tell the people, obviously, he's one of the greatest sprinters of all time, four-time Olympic gold medalist. He's joining us from Paris as part of BBC's Olympic coverage, and he's also the CEO and commissioner of Grand Slam Track. We'll talk to him about that in a second. But Juju, did you have something here for Michael Johnson? Yes, sir, I just want Michael, brother Michael, legend,

I just want you to consider the competition the dream team went up against versus what's actually happened in the on earth these days. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. The world has caught up to that team. Oh, for sure. There's no doubt about that.

I mean, we remember, I mean, what Barclay was doing that on boys back in 92 in Barcelona. It was pretty ridiculous. Now, I mean, this is different. I mean, it's so much more of a global league. I was at an event last night and Adam Silver was talking about just the evolution of the global nature of the NBA.

And it's amazing now. And he rattled out some stats of just how many guys from around the world now are playing in the league. And it's night and day from what it was back in 92, that's for sure. You mentioned being around the 92 Olympic dream team where if we were to go through memory lane with you on your snapshot Olympic memories if we were to go through a physical scrapbook that extends outside

of you competing because I know your focus was such that you had to be competing what are the things the landmarks that you look back on and smile because of the nostalgia because you wish you had to be competing. What are the things, the landmarks that you look back on and smile because of the nostalgia, because you wish you had appreciated it more while it was happening, because it was such a glorious time to be you? Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I think, you know, going to the time I went to some of those games in Barcelona,

the first time the dream team actually played, I went to some of those games. It was phenomenal to see, you know, watching Usain Bolt in 100 meters. This is after I retired and he's there breaking my world records. It was still amazing to see. Yeah, I mean there's some iconic moments around the Olympics. One of the first things I remember seeing was the 1984 Olympics when I was still a high school kid in LA and watching Carl Lewis duplicate Jesse Owens' feet of four Olympic gold medals and just phenomenal to see.

So yeah, there's some amazing memories I have of the Olympics all the way back from even before I was competing and what inspired me until today, you know, and we'll see some amazing performances here at these Olympics. Especially for a sport like track and for all sports, you know, and we'll see some amazing performances here at these Olympics. That's especially for a sport like track and for all sports, you know, with the history of the Olympic Games, it pulls out some great performances, great drama. You'll see people, you know, who are expected to win gold fall short of it and it's dramatic. And then you'll see people who never expected they were going to be a gold medalist actually

win and it's dramatic and then you'll see people who never expected they were going to be a gold medalist actually win and it changes their lives. Who do you enjoy watching run more Noah Lyles or Shaqari Richardson? You know both are very very interesting characters to watch and not just because I mean they're both phenomenal athletes but they're both characters as well great personalities you know very um you know unapologetically who they are both Shaquery and Noah people both love them and hate them and then and and they divide opinion and yeah and that's what you want to see that's what makes it it interesting. It's the storytelling that, you know, makes sport interesting. It makes people want to root for someone or against them.

And so I, you know, I love to see both of them. I love to see Noah go out there and say, hey, I'm going to do something audacious that nobody's ever done before. And then want to draw all of the attention on himself as well. Knowing full well, if he loses, the backlash on

social media and everywhere else is gonna be swift and it is gonna be harsh. But the fact that he's unafraid of that makes him a very dangerous athlete because a lot of the athletes are out there, you know, sort of under that pressure. They don't even, they want to sort of hide from the pressure. They don't tell you what they want to do. They just say, you know, as long as I do my best I'll be happy. Noah, it tells you right away. I'm not going to be happy with anything but winning. What is it about the fastest of fast people that has that particular swagger

that makes you smart? You, you, you had a lot of it, but you were not that kind of polarizing. You, people loved you. You were not somebody that was getting, whose brashness was so brash that it was bothering people because it made them uncomfortable, even though the confidence for you was probably similarly real inside.

Yeah, I mean, there were people who said, yeah, I can't believe this guy's wearing gold shoes, but that was my confidence and my ability to go out there and win. And yeah, some people took that as a bit of arrogance. It was confidence for me. But yeah, I think to be a sprinter, I mean, sprinting is a combat sport pretty much.

I mean, you've got to go out there and beat other people. Everybody wants to win, only one person is going to win. It's, you know, in front of the world. And yeah, it's it's tough. And you've got to have that sort of confidence to go in there and win. You have to have confidence not only in your own ability, but you have to have confidence that you can beat the other people and the best have that yeah and so I had that Noah certainly has that Sha'Carri has that and

and now you have to go out there and do it who has that the most yeah I think those two have it the most but I'm saying I'm saying throughout the history of your sport who throughout the history of the sport I would say it would be Me Maurice green who I competed against for a while and we both you know sort of you know We didn't we didn't back down from one another Um, i'm actually going to see him tonight. We're we're much more friendly now than we were then um

Fred curly who's going to be in this 100 meters tonight, he is extraordinarily confident and has the swagger. Yeah, I mean, there's most of Dennis Mitchell who coaches Sha'Carri Richardson. He was competing back when I was competing. He was on the 88, 92 and 96 teams and a great sprinter as well. Never won, but he definitely brought the confidence. Speaking of the confidence in sprinters, how, uh, how much does sprinting translate into actual just fastness? Like do you think you could beat a power Walker, for example, in power walking?

Is that the same? I think the walk, actually the 50 Kk walk I think was this morning. It's a different, it's different. We have different sports in track and field and it makes it a little bit complicated. So as a sprinter, I probably couldn't beat most people in the world, let alone the Olympians as a walker. It's just not what I'm equipped to do. Same thing I'm a I was a world-class track and field athlete and when I was a world-class runner winning gold medals in sprinting if you took me over to the

pole vault I probably couldn't do it you know so we have a lot of different sports in one and and it gets a little bit complicated and that's why you know with Grand Slam Track which I'm launching next year we were only doing racing only the track events we're not we're not doing any of the field events because we want to focus on just the fast people only the fastest. Go to GrandSlamTrack.com to gear up for the league starting in the spring of 2025 we'll talk to him about that in a second. Forgive me because there was some some talk in my ear as you were saying a sentence. Did I hear you call sprinting a combat sport?

The mentality is definitely like a combat sport. I mean, it is when you see the sprint. If you have a watch sprint on Netflix, which follows the greatest sprinters, Noah, she carries in there, watch it, And you will see the sort of mentality that's required to go out there. This isn't a team sport. There's no, hey, you know what? I had a great day, we should have won,

but the defense let us down. There is none of that. It's just you out there by yourself, competing against the others. It is, it's head to head, and it's high stakes and it's high pressure. Do you have a favorite gold medal? Do you have one that has a more prominent placement in your home than the others? No, not a favorite over the

others. Each one was its own story, its own journey, its own challenges to win. I think the thing that I'm most proud of is the fact that I only have gold medals, eight world championship gold medals or Olympic gold medal. That's such a great sentence. That's such a great sentence. I don't have, I don't have,

if you had a silver medal, where would it be in your home? Yeah, I don't know because fortunately I don't have any, so I don't have to think about that. Are you still fast? No, no. I mean sprinting again, I think people sort of lump sprinting in with all running

and sprinting is like being a linebacker. And it's like asking a linebacker, like when people say, hey, do you still run? It's kind of like, cause nobody sprints recreationally. It's just not something you do as a recreational sport. It's very, it's a ballistic sport. It's really fast.

It's really aggressive and it's short periods and you do it. So it's like asking somebody, who's a retired 57 year old linebacker, are you still lineback? You know, no, of course, you know, nobody, you just don't, you don't do it, you know, and most sprinters like me don't sort of then transition into being a runner. I mean, I used to, for a while I did, you know, go out just, you know, for exercise, go out and do jogging, you know, jog for, you know, two miles or something, But I don't even do that anymore. I'm in the gym a lot and I hike a lot,

but I don't run. I don't know if people know how dominant you were. You didn't lose a 400-meter race for eight years, nine years? Like, you, you, didn't you win close to 60, 60 straight races? you didn't you win close to 60 straight races? Yeah, that streak lasted a very long time. Yeah, and it was, and I ended up in my career, I lost two 400 meter races and out of that 10 years and probably hundreds of my races. But the crazy thing is, and while I'm very proud of my streak, the longest streak, I

still wasn't even halfway to Edwin Moses' streak, which was just crazy. A hundred and thirty something races, I think. Did you have a lot of hate in your heart? You say you get along better with the people today when you see them out, but did you have like, what did the height of competition look like for you when you didn't like somebody? There was just you know it was always you know for for me and this is kind of the way that it is or at least it was then with sprinting it's changed a little bit now but where yeah it's kind of you know again it's like it's kind of like boxers you know where it's aggressive and and everybody wants to win only one person can be the winner and these are

the guys that you you got to beat in order to get to the top so we didn't like each other a lot you know it wasn't really personal there were a few that it became personal with and then that was the sort of person where there was some hate where you're like you know I if I do lose I don't want to lose to that person you know and and but you know, it changed over the years where a lot of that sort of rivalry was taken out of the sport where the athletes were kind of much more, you know, sort of friendly, even on camera to each other

and kind of like, you know, like, oh, you know, we're all just out here having fun. And, you know, I don't think that that's what fans really enjoy. And I think that's why the sport and a few years ago kind of started to suffer quite a bit. It's starting to come back a bit now because of people like Noah and people like Sha'Carri

who are out there being unapologetically who they are and saying, hey, yeah, I want to win. And I know in order to win, I've got to beat the other people and I'm going to beat them. And fans then are invested because if you're following and you're supporting Sha'Carri, you don't want to invest your time all to hear her say,

ah, you know, if I win, I win, if I don't, I don't. Yeah, you're like, no, I'm here supporting you. I want you to win and I want to know that you're here to win. Can you explain to us in the loneliness of training to the layman in 30 seconds in something that is bite-sized? What is the most extreme example or wording that you can use to explain to us just how hard it was for you to train to be this good? Yeah, it's hard, but it's not, to be honest, it's not that much harder than any other sport. It's the whole dedication to the craft. It's just trying to, it's, you know, the key is not just training hard and just, you know,

grafting, you know, it's training smart. The best athletes in track and the best athletes in sport typically have three things in common. They are extraordinarily talented, more so than everybody else. That's number one. Two, they do work really, really hard, but they work really smart. And they figured out how to train or their coach. They've worked with their coach and they figured out how to get the best from themselves physically

and mentally as well. How you compete and go in there and compete under the pressure of an Olympic moment, like the guns going to go off in 19 seconds from now, I'm either going to be Olympic champion or I'm not. That's a lot of pressure. How do you go in and manage that pressure well, so you're still able to deliver your best performance?

The third thing is, most of the athletes who are the greatest, they understand their sport or their position better than most. They're like students and professors of their game or their position. Tell us why it is that you started Grand Slam track. Was it something that was missing from track that you felt you needed to put your power on? Absolutely what's missing with track and has been for some time is that you know, you're you're gonna have this great Olympic Games here

Track is at the forefront. It's the center of this games. Everybody's watching. They love it It's compelling competition high stakes drama the best athletes in the world competing head-to-head And then you'll have to wait another four years. In that four years in between, there is very little head-to-head competition. The athletes aren't compensated enough to make it worth their while to go out and compete. They want to. They want to compete against one another. They want to continue doing what they're going to do here. There hasn't been a platform for them to do that. Fans want to see that. They absolutely want to see it. There are fans around the world, 2.5 billion people around the world have an interest in track and field and running, but they can't find the sport because the athletes aren't centrally contracted. They're not

organized at scale. And that's what we're doing with Grand Slam Track. So we're, we've built this on the same model of the four golf majors every year and the four tennis Grand Slams every year. So there will be four Grand Slam Track meets next year in 2025 where you will have the same high stakes, great athletes, storytelling, head-to-head competition that you're having here in Paris at this Olympic Games. Michael, it's nice seeing you. I do still think you're fast. I think you'd beat everyone here in a foot race. I think, I still think, I don't know when the last time was you sprinted, but I'm guessing you're still very fast. I appreciate that, Dan. I appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Nice

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free terms and conditions apply Don Lebatard I win in the margins I'm like I'm like your money ball of sexy I'm basically Scott Hattaberg a lot of stugots a lot of walks but I'm on base when it comes to sex a lot of other other dudes they can be Giambi. You know your role, you play well. I know my role. This is the Don LeVittard Show with the Stugats. Benjamin Rose writes in, filled with fury, LeVittard Show was so much better when they

just did show. Trying to get aggregated every day is bleeping up the show. Benjamin, the only time I try to get aggregated is when I am wearing a costume. It is the only time and I have some regrets recently that I've not been wearing a costume during certain moments, but it is legitimately the only time. Forgive me, I'm being right now distracted because Tony looking extra Latin, extra Hispanic, that shirt has him looking very Miami.

He is joining us right now from Jesus Perez Patio here at the Arbettors wall of fame. Arbettors, world's greatest chili dog since 1959. Ron McGill is a hall of famer at Arbettors. Why did you go there in order to try and find a person who can name a single Marlin? And how are you gonna be doing this? Dan, I'm glad that you asked.

We're here on the corner of la 80 7 and bird and when you tell me So I said you tell me Westchester. I think of baseball Columbus is right down the road We're obviously here at our betters Tammy me Park is right down the road to where you have Baseball being grown up in Miami the grassroots of baseball Tammy me park not too far away And when you leave Tamiyami Park after a little league baseball game, you come over here to our betters

and you get some chili dogs. So I am here, what I feel like is the grassroots of baseball. We've got some patrons inside. We're doing a couple things here to see who knows anything about the Marlins. I've got a crispy $20 bill for the first person that can name me a Marlin.

Ma'am, can you name me a Miami Marlin? I can't. Juan. Uh, Juan. No, no, Juan is my function. No, no. Do we have a Juan? Close.

It's a good guess. It is a good... Do we have such a Westchester answer? It's such a good guess though. Oh, do you know anything about the Marlins? Ah, not really. Not one you can't name a Marlin? Um.

Too long, OK, no. I'll answer that one for you. All right. All right, Dan, I'm going to go inside in a second and see if 20 bucks can jog somebody's memory for Miami Marlin. But I do want you to come over here really quick. Ron McGill, class of 2024, right there

on top of Richard Blanco. All right, hold on a second there, Tone. Before you get, we've got some questions here. And before you get going on this, before you wander through, you're just going to, you're going to offer somebody, that guy, is that guy there wearing a Marlin shirt? That guy I saw, you're just going to offer them.

No, it's an Arbeta shirt. You're going to offer them. Brother, anything about the Marlins? Can you name me a Marlin for 20 bucks? Marlins, the dolphin. The dolphins, no, sorry, close. Damn. Oh boy.

It's tough when you have a microphone. Sabotage people. Tony, you look phenomenal, by the way. You do, you look so great. Did you check the linen pants, too? Did you guys get the linen pants? They look great. That is a very- Yeah, you know phenomenal, by the way. You do. You look so great. Did you check the linen pants, too? Did you guys get the linen pants? They look great. That is a very.

You know how we do. That is a very bold choice for a shirt. Because if you looked any more like a couch, JD Vance would try to **** you. I want area rug. What couches do you know that look like this? Yeah, I was going to say, no couches look like this. So Dan, you were saying, do you want me to go in and start?

Or did you have questions for me? I do want you to go in and start in just a second But I want to know like just how many people are there and I do think Instead of asking them if they know anything about the Marlins the aggressive putting of pressure on them You saw what happened that guy just choked of saying name a Marlin for $20 The pressure of that does make people choke I feel like I would fail that game if I wasn't expecting it Sure, okay. I can come in with a little more subtlety a guy in a Dodge Charger think he's being cool

On the road by the way Mike we can meet thereafter There's a there's a father-son duo here that looks promising. He's wearing a baseball hat. You know whatever. I don't think I actually I don't want you to succeed until the end. I want to get some of the funny failures first before you go in there real quick. Chris because you grew up playing in South Florida but you grew up playing in Broward County baseball. When Tony says Damiami, I was terrified of all their little league players. They were so much better at baseball than us from Broward, so much better.

I played travel against them and those teams are like, you know, that was like, what's the movie where I'm 12? Where he just holds up a sign and he's like 38 years old, but it's like a sign that says I'm 12. All right, Tony, go ahead and get in there. And let's see where it is that your travels take us. All right, let's see. We got Dolphin's guy here.

He was he tried hard. You know, it's not easy getting a mic in your face. Choked, yes, it's true. Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did. He did. Let's see.

Yeah, baseball fans could do a. It'd be funny if you just ran into Billy Gill on his off time. It would be. Guys, really quick, can you name me a Miami Marlin? For 20 bucks. No. She's giving me this kid can. I want to say it to her.

I actually know that guy. His name is Colton. No, not one. Hi, guys. Hi, Colton. Mike Ryan says he knows you. You know Mike Ryan? Oh, I know. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Hey Colton. Hey what's up dude? Hey good to see you man. I like the mullet. Colton Cantonese for 20 bucks. He says he

likes the mullet. Oh he likes the mullet. It's good. Finally. Good seeing you Colton. Good seeing you Colton. Colton's buddy, can you name me a Miami Marlin for 20 bucks? Not a chance. Not a chance, okay. Not a chance here, not a chance. Alright, the promising father-son duo. Dad, can you name me for 20 bucks? I'm gonna give it to you right here. For 20 bucks, can you name me a Miami Marlin? I'm more of a Yankee fan. Alright, kids said he's got one. Here we go. Alright. Name me a current Miami Marlin

Horace, a layer. No, he was trained last year. Brave. No, I believe you got traded. Yeah, uh, jazz, chism. No, your dad's pretty happy about how baseball, two strikes. You got one more strike. pretty happy about baseball two strikes. You got one more strike Abyssal Garcia, I'll be so judge. Yeah, no strike. Right. Go rip that $20 bill away from that table. One of the guys. I'm so sorry. Okay. So we've got nobody, nobody inside the world. Famous, famous are better So you name me a Miami Marlin? We also famous don't have a Miami Marlin on the wall here

All right, Tony regroup we'll come back to you We'll see if the lunch crowd changes in 20 minutes over there Mike saw his friend good to see Colton. It's his barber. It's cold See you later Tony. Thank you for checking in. We appreciate it. We're gonna check in with you again because we're gonna give away that $20 to somebody. I'm watching the Summer Games and I can tell you that with all the blood sweat and tears that these athletes lose during competition, they need all the hydration that they can get. I also know that the weekend warriors like myself need to have the electrolytes that Liquid IV can provide. Where there is a day at the ballpark of barbecuing, staying hydrated is crucial, especially in this heat.

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I have a topic here that I believe to be the most in the wheelhouse for Jessica in her entire tenure with our show. Because Mike and I were talking and he was wondering if Tiramisu is a Hall of Fame dessert. And I don't know who we would put in as first ballot Hall of Fame desserts, but I did want to just ask the group in honor of the Tiramisu story that Mike Ryan is going to update us on in a second.

If you had only one dessert that you can have, there's only one that you can have, because which one would you choose as, for you, the most first ballot Hall of Famer as a dessert? Because mine are, what are you shaking your head about? This is, there couldn't be a more obvious answer to this. I'll go last though, because I don't wanna save first. Well, my personal favorites, here's the thing.

You say there couldn't be a more obvious answer, but for me, the things that I consider the greatest weaknesses are ice cream cake and cheesecake but i don't know if those would be hall of fame desserts for everybody first ballot hall of famers for everybody they would be my favorites uh... but i'm not sure that i would have consensus on that is tiramisu a hall of fame dessert like how how is this the college, is this the college, I'm sorry, the basketball Hall of Fame? Is it easy to get into or is it hard

to get into? Well certainly if it were the basketball Hall of Fame, Tiramisu would get in based on international accomplishments. The creator passed away recently and I was stunned to learn that the inventor of Tiramisu was just 81 years old at the time of his passing. That means that this was a relatively new invention. Your dad probably remembers when tiramisu got introduced to the culinary world. Wow, to be there in that moment when someone decides coffee,

pastries together for dessert. It's not just coffee and pastry, Mike. I've made tiramisu three times. I've made classic tiramisu twice. And you have to make ladyfingers. Some people buy ladyfingers. I make them from scratch. You have to make very soft, nice, cylindrical ladyfingers.

And then you soak them in coffee mixed with alcohol. So for me the two greatest things and also the two things that cause the greatest amount of heartburn in most people are part of this dessert. So it's it's the ladyfinger, it's the soaking and then it's the layer of cream and mascarpone. Third greatest thing for me behind alcohol and coffee, cheese. And Tiramisu has it all. That's why baking is her core culinary discipline, Dan. Put it on the poll, please. Is cheese a dessert at LeBataard Show?

And put on the poll, Juju, is Tiramisu a dessert Hall of Famer? I'm not sure it would be. I'm not... Not if it's the baseball Hall of Fame. You really sounded like you had some judgment in your voice when you viewed others buying ladyfingers at the store versus making them from scratch. For me, if you're gonna go out of your way to make tiramisu, just make the ladyfingers yourself

because it does take a while. You do have to chill it for a while for it to come together and set. So I always make my own, I think once you've made something like a ladyfinger from scratch you can never go back to store-bought like it just is so much better and fresher and oh you can really taste the flavors it is a lot of work Roy and you have to put it in a piping bag and pipe it out to get the shape and that can be a real pain in the ass you also can't like over whip it you

have to have like the air holes in it. So you have to have a really light batter and then you have to put it in your piping bag and pipe it out into these nice rows to make your even layer of tiramisu. But that is also the great thing about doing it from scratch. You can make different shapes. So if you wanna do a round tiramisu, you could do round lady finger cookies.

And then I guess they're not really lady fingers. They're more like lady stumps, I guess. But it's still delicious. Lady Sugat's fingers. There you go. Lady Sausage Fingers. You soak it in the rum or cognac, whatever, and the coffee.

Oh, mwah. The second variation of tiramisu that I made last year, I made it for my birthday, was a lemon flavored tiramisu, and instead of rum and coffee, I used lemon and limoncello. So it was soaked in lemon cello and then there was a layer of like the mascarpone cream oh god was so good TFT I I just learned something valuable like you just taught

me something today you said put it on a pole tiramisu is one word oh you didn't know that I was thinking it was like tiara and then Massoud. It's like Franco Harris. It's Harry Massoud. Thank you, Dan. I'm going creme brulee's up there. Creme brulee's great. When we're talking first ballot though, like yeah, I like Tierra Massoud, like there are fancy desserts,

but we're just talking word association. Dessert, first ballot hall of fame, ice cream, that's it. Dan mentioned it through, like we can do ice cream cake if you want, but ice cream. All flavors? Just ice cream. Is the first round pick,

first draft pick of a dessert draft, ice cream. I have a question for Jess as we answer that though. Tiramisu being a relatively new dessert kind of surprised me. Are there any new desserts that are changing the game? Things that haven't really been conventionally used as a dessert, but have now just shocked the system the way that Tere Mitsu did? That's a great question.

I have seen a lot of recent desserts in Miami that have quinoa in them. And I know that that sounds disgusting, but it's actually quite good, because what these restaurants are doing is they're baking quinoa with sugar and creating candy quinoa. And it's actually pretty good. It's got a nice nice little crunch to it and then you serve that with like heavy

whipped cream and some sort of other like fruit component. It's very very good. I would like you to close your eyes, just close your eyes. You just had a great dinner and now the waiter brings over a saucer and on that saucer lies an unwrapped Snickers ice cream bar and a fork. Dig in guys. Wake up. You're awake. I would like to nominate a couple first ballot dessert Hall of Famers. One, I made this weekend Black Forest cake. Made it, spent my whole Sunday making it before I realized the US was actually playing Germany in soccer.

And then I was like, hmm, I hope we win, and we did. Delicious. Cherries, also Kirsch involved, so it has the alcohol and the chocolate component. And then of course you have to have your classic key lime pie with a little dollop of whipped cream on it, a little bit of citrus zest from your key lime, or use regular limes if you don't have key limes, it's fine. But the nice salty graham cracker crust, the custardy lime center in the whipped cream that is a first ballader I think you need to do a baking segment you and Cody need to team up to see if you can figure out how to do that for us I want to get back to

ice cream here do you separate the ice cream out do you go regular ice cream gelato sherbert custard I think I think we have to pick we can't do just ice cream as a Hall of Famer I think we have to pick, we can't do just ice cream as a Hall of Famer, I think you have to go flavors, I think, look, Black Forest Cake, I don't know that people are gonna vote for that. I was gonna say, I'll do Respect Jest, first ballot. Can anyone voice for cookies? Because I don't wanna ignore cookies.

That's a good, that's a first round pick. Especially now. Which cookies? Well we're in the golden age of these really decadent cookies. A double chunk chocolate cookie. Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Levitard Show. Does candy quinoa sound delicious?

Boom! I had a gelato this past weekend that was wine flavored. Oh my God, put that on the first ballot. Jessica, a lot of your desserts have a lot of liquor in them. Like, this seems to be a recurring theme here. Put bottles of pork there too. That's a great dessert. Just a glass of pork.

Do you think the vote's going to come back strong on Black Forest Cake being an immediate first ballot Hall of Famer? That was an unusual choice to go that aggressive there. Well, I think, I think people like cherries a lot. And when you make the black forest cake cherries, you melt the cherries down with sugar. And so they become really soft and sweet.

And you have to use these really dark sweet cherries. And I spent probably three hours on Sunday pitting the cherries. So it's not like this is something you can just whip up. This was a labor of love. I had to use a chopstick. I don't have a labor of love. I had to use a chopstick. I don't have a cherry putter. I had to use a chopstick and I had to stab the pit out.

And then my friend Rohan actually came over and helped me with it. That was fun. It's an activity for the whole family really. When you say black forest, I go ham. So I just, she had me thinking about like a ham cake. Yeah. By the way.

It sounded kind of good actually. You go ham as in like you like go crazy. From the makers of of change your Yahoo passwords because there was a data breach, big recall on Boar's Head deli meat. So keep an eye out on that. Oh, Mike, I'm glad you mentioned this. Speaking of ham, people are going ham

about this Listeria outbreak because I read there's over like $28 billion or something like that of recalled deli meats. And it's mostly around the Northeast. Florida, I don't think was on the list. So if you have been to Publix lately for a sub, double check, but I think you're okay. A brutal blow for Joe Rose and the people at-

The board, the caller, who is it? The local people- Richie from Boar's Head? Richie from Boar's Head, locally. I was trying to look for the name of who from Boardshead. Also put this on the poll, Juju, please. Black forest, ham, or cake? And also put on the poll, what is the better cake?

Black forest cake or red velvet cake? What are the best? The funny thing is, it was Indian forest just up until recently. Too soon turned black because I don't think of black forest cake is something that I would necessarily put in my top 10 cakes. I'm not totally sure. I would. I agreed with you until Sunday because that was the first time I've really tried it and I was blown away, blown by Black Forest Cake it is phenomenal. You were happy at what you

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