The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: I'M A DOG, DAN!

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

Tony said if he had Bronny's trainers he would be Gary Harris, and he and Billy nearly get into a fist fight over something that happened in Vegas. Then, will Nicky Saban and Silly Billy Belichick be good at broadcasting? Plus, Tony defends himself again and Jemele Hill joins us to discuss the Clippers as a name, Mary J. Blige on her podcast, and the allegations against Diddy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network. This is the Don Lebatore Show with the Stugatz Podcast. I think an NBA executive was quoted as saying the upside for Brony James is Gary Harris, that that is the upside, that is the highest point. And if he makes it to the NBA, Stu, guys, that by itself is a monumental achievement, whether he has the bloodline or not, to get to the top 1% of the top 1% of there are 450 people in the world that get to play this sport at the top end. If he gets to Gary Harris that's gravy. I mean he's made a hundred million dollars

in his career. That's all that matters of course is. I'm just saying you've made it to the NBA the highest level of your sport and Gary Harris will laugh at it because it's LeBron's kid and it's Gary Harris, but Gary Harris is a decent player who made a hundred million dollars. But you're right in saying that LeBron James inflated all of the expectations when he said, I'm watching NBA players right now and my son is better than them when he's not. And now you look at his collegiate stats and people have to point out, well, those are Jimmy Butler's collegiate stats at the beginning. Well, yeah,

but Jimmy Butler was terrible at the beginning in college. Like, you can take, you can find a player who had those stats at the beginning, but it is, I think people underestimate, just like they did this with Cam Newton, where you sort of underestimate how big someone is physically, how they have to be physically in order to be the greatest goal line situation threat in the history of the league, how strong and big the person must be to do that in the NFL. I think we consistently underestimate

how good these human beings are, as if a holy man reaches into the crib that LeBron James has in his home. And then all you need to do is put that in the pipeline and it's going to be Gary Harris. Like there are a lot of things that have to happen other than LeBron James's sperm in your sister. I think what's hard for the kid, for Brani is people will think or suggest or ask, did he have to work as hard as every other kid? And if you're

projected as a second round pick in the NBA draft, then you've put the work in. He'll have to deal with that for the remainder of his life. Is it an epitism? Why is he getting these opportunities? But then I have no doubt. First off, I agree with you. It's difficult to make it to professional sports. But as it pertains to Brani, I have no doubt that he has put the work in. He is not getting this because of his father. He is getting this because he put the work in and he's good enough to be maybe Gary Harris. And that's a decent career. I mean, the counter argument would be you said you would draft LeBron's son just to get LeBron. So you're saying both things. You're saying that he's put in the work and he gets whatever

he deserves, but you're also saying I'd take him just to get his dad He's put I would he's put enough work in to make it to the NBA He's put enough work in where some teams get a draft of but why not but maybe he might get to the NBA Just because somebody wants his dad to okay, which wouldn't be the same amount of work Like he would have a golden gilded path to the NBA Not only that too like every step of his basketball life has been helped and aided through LeBron. You're talking about working with the best trainers. You're talking about working with dieticians.

You're talking about working with workout guys. That people that are of the general population don't have access to, right? Like I've seen it playing who's myself. How jealous are you? Oh, his regimen that he had grown up. Oh, incredible. Like, where would you be if you had it?

That's a great question. Probably Gary Harris. Like, why are you gonna tell you? I'm not gonna if you had it? That's a great question. Probably Gary Harris. Like, I was gonna tell you, I'm Gary Harris. What? But, like, when you look at guys that come from those families, it's like, I played with Timmy Hardaway Jr. And, like, he was doing things when we were in high school that was collegiate and pro-level workouts, dietitian.

Like, he was doing things that we weren't. And then it's like, you get to a point where your natural talent, plus the work that you put in at an elite level, takes you to another level. And it's just like, you can see it with where your natural talent plus the work that you put in at an elite level takes you to another level. And it's just like, you can see it with that. So he's probably gonna do something good. What if- We're just gonna let Todi say he'd be Gary Harris

if he had Brody's conditioning program. The difference between you and Tim Hardaway Jr. was not his trainers. What was it? It's all the seed oils you ate growing up. That's probably true. If you had a professional parents in the NBA. Now we're talking you give up

Billing no, I didn't give up Where would I be if I had his trainers I think I'd go D3 I think you're an example for you'd be lip scum. I made it to D3 without his trainer I'd be I'd be playing basketball lips come where was a really good school dude. I think lips comes D1. No, it's just a funny name I Can't believe that I'm talking here about how hard it is to get to the NBA. And Tony just said that if he had Tim Hardaway, Jr.'s trainers, he would have a hundred million dollars. Timmy's bedan. Timmy's made like 200 million dollars in his career. I was right there Gary Harris one year average 17 and a half points per game. You're saying you would have done that

If I had the girl up that brawny did I mean I'd be closer than I would now okay And so I just want to be clear on something. I love you guys Tyler Johnson made 75 million dollars in the NBA Tyler Johnson was way better basketball in you Okay, Jeremy. Thank you, buddy. Wow. I mean, just incredible. But I'm the one who's wrong here. Welcome. Okay. Every conversation with him. Everybody breathe. I need everybody to breathe here because for all the delusions that we've had around here of Stugat says he would make six threes in an NBA game. If he's actually did, I mean six threes in an NBA game if he's

actually did I mean sorry not an NBA game was a high school game he did return a serve from a professional tennis player this cigarette in his mouth yeah try that from Stugott saying he would make six NBA threes to Greg Cody saying he would hit 180 in the major leagues and that field goal he would have done it if you are gonna hurt that day pull the hammy yeah unfortunate don't forget I can throw an orange a hundred yards I did not think that the audience could underestimate how hard it is to be these people who play professional sports in a way that was dumber. But to find in our own setting, Tony say,

that if he had the trainers because he was working out near Tim Hardaway, Jr. he too would have a $100 million contract in the NBA. He's a level of offensive that I cannot abide In how in how spectacular it is in its ignorance because I Cannot have these people around me still got to already thinks that if he did anything in the world He would be exceptional at it. We have diagnosed him with an affliction a disease at it. We have diagnosed him with an affliction, a disease, Dunning-Kruger effect. We have diagnosed this because he has this.

He's a waddling five foot six. Anything in professional sports would result in him immediately being injured and hospitalized. Me tell me, six, four, imagine with that kind of diet, that kind of work out, I'd be in a don is Dan, come on, give me me a break I mean, I did get it hit off Matt later. I mean spud web was five six Put me around spud web trainers growing up. I mean a hundred million dollars boom Tony I'm gonna ask you to go sit in the panel For being overconfident Tony's fault. This is like having confidence of myself. I'm a dog Dan That's what you don't get that's what you don't factor into your equation when you're doing the math.

Oh, it's funny, he's doing this. I'm a dog, Dan. I make that shit happen, dude. I don't think you get that. I'll leave, I'll leave, but I'm a dog, Dan. Dan, this is exactly what LeBron did to Brani, like what you've done with Tony is you've enabled him to think

that he's a second round pig. Bad parenting. I don't want to put the blame on you, but like, that's why he's here. You said, look at the people around me. Like Tony's here. And you just encouraged him this whole time. I was getting a lecture before the show started about how I wasn't supported enough of Tony's 800 game hitting streak situation. Oh, that was actually a pretty good topic though.

What is that dog barking? I was a little slow on that. Oh, Tony's a dog. Apparently the Saber metrics community on Reddit is real excited. Okay. Tony was a little slow on that. Oh, Tony's a dog. Apparently the Saber metrics community on red. It's real excited. I was sure to tell us. All right. Well, I'm going to go ahead and set this up while he's away. And I'm going to explain what's happening in the audience. And we have reached official,

official problem status in the relationship with Billy and Tony, because Tony is now- I think I'm fine. Uh-huh. He's threatened to strangle you twice today. That's right. That's fine. I mean, go ahead.

Well, this is where we've escalated to. Tony has threatened to strangle Billy twice today and once in Vegas. And I'm going to explain to the audience why once in Vegas Billy threatened to strangle Tony. I'm sorry Tony threatened to strangle Billy. Tony had flew to Vegas with a file of carefully prepared material that he had worked ten days workshopping all around the offices here. And every time he presented the topic to any one roaring laughter, engaging debate started, and he has now taken great pride

in the Saber Metrics community, has grabbed his hypothetical question, which is the following. A baseball player in the major leagues goes one for four in every single game for many years. Is he a Hall of Fame? Five years. Five years exactly. Yes. So he has a five year hitting streak. 800 games. 800 games, but never has any extra base hits. No home runs. No home runs. So it's just 250 average, 250 on base. With a single. Every

game. All singles. Yeah. It was a single that was added to this. That's even worse. What he said is not only that it was a single, there were no home runs. I think all it ever was is he'd go one for four with a single in every single game. Would that player with an 800 game hitting streak make the Hall of Fame?

Yes. I'm on r slash Saber metrics right now, the subreddit for Saber metrics. The commenters don't seem to think this person is a Hall of Famer. They're right. Well, he can come and he can, I guess, he'll be back. He'll be back in a second, but let's explain to the audience how you undermined him because again, I saw it.

I saw it happening. Every room he left was roaring with laughter and argument. It was he, it was the best that Tony brought to Vegas. That's absolutely right. But he did it too often. But it was a comedian telling the same joke every single day in every single conversation. So when you hear for the 70th time, you're like,

guy, he got never, and like, I just like to also, if I can, I'd also like to say, you guys just got a glimpse into what every conversation with Tony is. It's, I'd be Tim Hardaway, Jr If I had this trainer like he said Gary Billy, but we never talked about it on air So the audience was hearing it for the first time and Billy on air on stage in Vegas I don't remember you must have set it up with this is a break glass an emergency topic

Yeah, and Billy hit a cut a very cutting. Do you have any more glass to break down? Yeah? Well, I don't where would would, if I may ask, where was all the support for Tony to keep the conversation going? Cause there was dead air, so I had to say something. I don't think it was, I don't remember exactly, but. Tony, you are now, you've returned, how are you feeling in general about the support

you got from Billy in this circumstance? What support, Dan? What support? Cause I was in there, you sent me to the penalty box, okay, and then we bring up one of my topics. I brought that up for you. I teed you up for it. That I was not here for, and then you talked about it for three minutes, and then I came back, and then I immediately hear you shitting on it. Like, it's like, it's crazy.

The top comment on Reddit says a DH with a 500 OPS would be a negative war player on base percentage of 250 with literally no extra base hits would be one of the worst DHs in baseball. 800 game hitting streak. You can't argue with an 800 hitting streak. The ball that breaks the record would go to the Hall of Fame there. Jersey would go to the Hall of Fame there. And the player doesn't go to the Hall of Fame. That's 57. That's 57 hits. And then he has another 600 and some odd hit. Like what are you talking about? To me, I'm with Jeremy. It's acknowledged in the hall of fame But this I kind of that's where I think it ends that that's what happens You have a whole like corner in a room where it's like craziest hitting streak

You've ever imagined by a below average player his name. I don't know what is it whatever his name It doesn't matter but the point is okay We had this great thought exercise of all these different things and I it was just something That's why we have the file of course things Okay, we had this great thought exercise of all these different things and I it was just something to ponder That's why we have the file of course things No, we didn't we pondered it We tried to make it a franchise if I could have laser-beamed you like across the entire Like hemisphere box for charity. Oh, it happened on stage in front of everybody where Tony not only that Tony's He's got his best material

and he's wearing some sort of fur and Billy took his knees out immediately. As soon as it started. I'm gonna do nothing but support Tony and his bad ideas henceforth and we'll see where that takes us. What bad ideas Billy? What bad ideas?

None. Please explain them. They're all good. Thank you. Billy, I don't like that. Billy. I understand why Tony is hurt that you would only support so relentlessly the bad ideas of Greg Cody and Stugatz and then the moment one of his bad ideas makes an appearance,

you can't get anywhere near it. You're allergic to it. You guys know how this works? Do any of you know how this works? Hey folks, it's Mike Ryan. Now, you've had the distinct privilege of knowing me for close to 18 years and you know that I've changed. A lot of my personal life has changed.

I've changed as a professional. I am a parent now. My level of involvement in my favorite college football program has also changed. But one thing that hasn't changed for me is my favorite beer. You know when it's real with me. I think you do anyways,

and you know how much I love Miller Lite. I've loved it forever, really. It's my favorite beer of all time, and it made all the great moments in my life all that much better. And when Miller Lite came aboard on our show, I was super stoked about it because I believed in the product.

Because every time I take a sip of Miller Light I look around and I think yeah, this was the right call. Times change. People like me can change but you can always enjoy the great taste of Miller Light. Tastes like Miller Time. To get Miller Light delivered right to your door visit MillerLight.com slash Dan. We can try to find it pretty much anywhere that sells beer. Celebrate responsibly Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories per 12 ounces. Don Lebatard! He's like, he needs a wheelbarrow like Mike McDaniel this dog. Got a pair?

Man, does he get a pair. My granddaughter sees his schlong. What are you talking about? He says, what's that? She doesn't know. There it is. Your granddaughter's there. My granddaughter saw his son in the kitchen. And she said, what is that?

What is this? A game of clue? I said, that's what he piece with. I don't know. How else am I going to explain it? Stugatz. It was a little extended. I don't know why he was so excited. Alright, very baby. No! Can I take this out? It is a baby. Anyway he ate my couch. This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugas.

100% yes sure there will always be more flashy players but if you have an impact on every game for five years, yes you'd get my vote. Now if it were just on base meaning walk or one base, I would start to get a bit more shaky. The point is that there was in the Saber Metrics reddit file, right, on the site. I don't know if we can screen share it so we can see people. Like there's like five comments eight comments Ten up votes. That's how red it works this one in the sabermetric file on on reddit has like 300 votes a bunch of comments

57 comments the nerds arguing about okay. Look at the other has 284 upvotes look at the other ones Please just explain the other one so people can have a reference It sounds like shit. It's a good conversation starter. In fairness to Tony, 57 comments would be one comment more than the longest hit street at King Baseball right now. It's true. Imagine 800 comments. An 800 game hitting streak is hard to ignore. He's right.

This has more engagement than almost every other single post on the Sabre Metrics Reddit. He started a conversation. It's a thing. He just pondered. In Yeah. Everyone's pondering in a place. Okay. We're the smartest minds in baseball. Go to analyze and look at and research. We made things happen. I don't know why I haven't thought of this earlier. I'm going to text him. Kirk. Okay. Let's do that. Also text him. But I feel like his answer has to be definitive and that that's the final answer. Okay. Also textbook, Shambhi, please. Good calves. And then now we need

three, three, three. So is our sure. Passing. Passing. Now we have four. Aburstroll. Mike sure. Now Mike sure is too close to the situation. Text David. Cause if not, he's going to get mad that we're talking about baseball. David would be a good one though. Why? Because you feel like he'd agree with you? No, I don't know what he said, but he'd have something to say at least. So who are we texting and who's texting who? Boogshombie, we'll get to that in a second.

Boogshombie, the other day, it's got embroiled in a conversation that we were having around here, and I'm curious what your take is on this, because me and Mina Kimes were disagreeing about something and the internet, Mina Kimes was laughing at me and what it is that I was saying and the internet swelled behind Mina Kimes to also laugh at me. But I heard from a number of broadcasters including Boog Chambi who agreed with me on this subject because Mina's retort and it was a good one to me wondering if Tom Brady will be exceptional at that broadcasting job at $375 million guaranteed because the skill set I believe is difficult to explain complicated things in tight windows. I believe it's not as easy as people think it is to have chemistry with your partner.

It's why Brady has sat out a year and is practicing and is being very meticulous about how to do this. But Mina Kimes undercut the point I was making by saying, yeah, Tom Brady has a lot of difficulty in football, deciding things in two and three seconds quickly when faced with complicated subject matter. And everyone roared and applauded what an idiot Dan is. Funny line, it's a good comment. No, no, and agreed with her, but I kept hearing from broadcasters like Boogshambi

saying people are really underestimating how difficult it is to be good and interesting in this job in a way that stands out. You don't get to just sit there because your name is Tom Brady, but you all expect Tom Brady to be great at this and interesting in this job in a way that stands out. You don't get to just sit there because your name is Tom Brady, but you all expect Tom Brady to be great at this. And in tight windows, you're expecting him to be exceptional. I'm expecting him to be great at it because he's been great at everything he's done his entire life,

but I'm with Boog on this. Like I think it's trickier that most people either realize or they know because Tom Brady wanted to play football his entire life. He never wanted to be a broadcaster. And now he's walking in and he's filling big shoes. And Greg Olsen, who became exceptional at doing things and making points in very small windows. So there's no guarantee Brady's going to be great at it. I think he'll be great, but I think broadcasting is really, really, I'm just surprised at the number of people who think the skill sets are the same to be able to break down a defense in three seconds with your eyes and your arm. And to be able to do it with your mouth are two different skillsets.

Right. There is a difference between what Tom Brady's going to be doing and what Boog does though. Like Tom Brady's just commenting on the plays in the game. He doesn't have to keep things moving. He's explaining to the layman what it is that he sees as someone who's an expert. But Boog wasn't defending how hard it is to be a play-by-play guy. Boog was surprised that the internet took up Mina's side so convincingly on a color analyst just sits there

and it's easy. Right up until people start complaining about all the color analysts, they complain about because those are some of the most unpopular people anywhere in sport. Just because he was good at playing great at playing football doesn't mean he'll be great at this. I think he might be, but I have no idea. It doesn't, it doesn't guarantee that he's going to be great at broadcasting because he made split second decisions as a quarterback

of the NFL. Mark Schlaerath does this. Stank is Boog one of our five or no. Yeah. Right now the five is Kirchin, Passon, Boog, Schur, and then between Adnan and Samson, we'll go Adnan. Okay. Good. That's a good sample size. I think I feel good about if we can get a definitive answer out of those five people, I trust it and we can put this matter to rest. I have an idea as it relates to Brady in the booth. Belichick has nothing to do. Now I'd like to have them weekly on God bless football. We should make a call, but we're not going to do that. I

think Belichick and Brady in the same booth would be fantastic. You like that? Aren't they like not getting a long great at the moment or something like kind of tension in the booth? That's okay. Little tension. It's much like murmur. It needs to be clear. I feel like Belichick mumbling. I watched him, the Belichick and Saban like documentary. I liked them both. Same Belichick and Saban, that great chemistry. Make that a booth, not Belichick and Brady. I want Belichick and Saban. Yeah. I'd watch them cause they're friends. They like to get, I feel like they'd get, but you get silly together. Exactly, that's it, the silliness,

that's what we need out of them. So, God, Brady and Belejeck spent 20 years at microphones, never saying anything interesting. Maybe they have a lot to say. On purpose though, they chose to not say anything. That's when they had something to gain, Dan. Now, you know, all bets are off, they're just getting silly together.

Some silly wheelies. I would say that... It'd be great great the degree of difficulty on spending 20 years in front of microphones and never saying anything Interesting is harder than being interesting always at a microphone So you guys now want in a booth two people who are famously guarded famously careful, famously uninteresting in their speech. That was different versions. This is going to be Nikki Savin and Silly Billy Belichick.

Tell me if it's Belichick and Brady in the booth together. You would want, first week, week one, Dan, you would watch the Cardinals take on the Tennessee Titans. First week of any television show that's ever started nationally, when George Clooney is the opening guest, and then they get into week three, and it's a cooking chef from around the corner. But what if it's great?

I mean, the first, well, I watched the first time is not an enduring standard for whether it will be good. Also, if I lit somebody on fire the first time, they would also watch, but it's a Cardinals Titans game. You wouldn't watch a Belichick and Sabin Manning cast with like a coast that they find like the jerky boys hosting. I don't know what you guys are doing with the Razumetaz effervescence of Brady and Belichick speaking and being entertaining

at things other than being a football. People who are doing the football, not talking about the football, because neither one of them has ever said anything when talking about the football that you remember. That's, well, hold on a second. Tom Brady was trying to study to be a standup comic. Was he not?

So like, he clearly has the personality. Do we not think so? He clearly has the personality. Yeah, he was gonna be a standup comedian. and everyone who played for Belichick says there's a wacky side to Belichick. Don't you want to see it? Nick Saban used to drive and throw all of his players off the boats at the lake. Like these nuts jokes. Little Belichick like the jerky boys and the prank calls. These are some wacky dudes. They just got to, you know, find the right place to do it.

Give him a chance. Why don't we give him a chance? What are we doing? Well, you shook your head when Stugod said we're trying to get Belichick every week. Well, that's because of it. Dured so many La Crosse coaches with the promise of he's going to join to talk La Crosse and never has he joined, obviously. And I'm just stuck in a La Crosse Zoom for the 60th time. Do you have the biggest cringe you've ever had when it comes to Stugas getting people on and asking them for stuff? Do you have one that stands out to you? It's all like, yes, like a victim of this crime

multiple times, they all blend together. Don Lebatard! All of us who were watching college football elevated everything the weekend was because we missed football in general so very much You didn't watch the ending of Utep Jacksonville State. It was awesome. It's easy boom Stugats Such a lane for you. Just everything in college football is awesome any single thing that happens She gets deliriously happy about don't you you miss viewing sports through that prism though?

Like, I'm envious of Lucy. Like, I wish that I could still be happy. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugas. Tony is still fighting with the shipping container over the Gary Harris thing. Everyone's yelling at him. He's never felt more alone than he does. This is normal, this is normal Dan, I'm alone. This is what I usually go through.

What I was explaining to Jess, cause she was talking about rich families that have access to these trainers and dieticians and work out, that's not what I'm saying. We were saying that we all know a bunch of kids that have had money and tried to have training. What I'm talking about is professional athlete's kids. So when you have a dad or mom who's been

a professional athlete and knows what it takes to get to a certain level, they can help you in a way that if you have a dork billionaire dad who doesn't know sports, how is he gonna help you? No, like it doesn't work that way. That's fine, all of that can be so. You saw me very animated about that Dan, that's what I was going to explain.

My argument is that there's a lot of rich people whose kids don't make it in professional sports because to an extent, you either have or you don't. But Tony agrees with that. My argument is... Thank you Billy for agreeing with Tony today. ...souly that it's harder than you guys think to get to the top of being paged to play... A thousand percent. Ask Ronnie. My point. Regardless... It's hard to get to D top of being paid to play. Ask Brani. My point.

Regardless. It's hard to get to D3 and play sports. Less hard, vastly harder. Also Dan, another update. I have sent the five texts out to our baseball experts. I have heard back from a few. I'm not gonna give it anyway. I wanna hear, even though Boog's never gonna respond to me.

He doesn't really respond to me. So I have four responses of the five. And would you like, we can- No, no, no, wait, Dan, text Boog right now. Tell him respond to Chris Cody. We need all five in case there's a tiebreaker situation. He knows if there's a tie or not. I can tell you if there is. Does that matter? Do we need a time? We don't need booze answer. Okay. So then we could just do it now. Yeah. Wait, what do you think? Tony, I'm just I'm guessing it's going to be consensus that that is not a Hall of Famer. We should save it for the last segment.

We're going to wait. We're going to tease it out. In the meantime, what we're going to do, you guys need to interrupt me just a little more today. Just a little more today. Well, Stugatz is right, by the way. I got a bunch of D3 offers, so that shows you how difficult that is. Make sure to do it with time spent listening jokes. That's the best way to do it. Jamal Hill is joining us now because I am desperate to go viral in this costume with serious subject matter, and I want to ask her some serious questions, but I also want to ask her a handful of silly questions, and I've got a shameful admission to make. Shameful admission for a 55 year old to make,

which is I did not know that the Clippers were a boat until I saw the new uniform design the other day. Wow. I learned that the other day. I'm learning it now. And I'm ashamed of it. Surely on the West Coast, Jamel, this is not any kind of news to you.

You're judging me as a fellow journalist for my ignorance. This is the height of privilege that I don't know this already, correct? And I'm allowed to not know basic things that people are supposed to know in sports. Dan, I'm judging you for a lot of things right now, at least of which is the Clippers, which I didn't know either. I found out as soon as you just said it right now, I had no idea. I've only been living out in LA. It'll be six years this year. So I'm not deeply embedded enough clearly to know

what the Clippers, with their nickname actually stood for. I am stunned by that. Put it on the poll, please, at LeBatard Show. Did you know the Clippers were a boat before their recent uniform unveil? Yes or no? I knew because of the Fort Lauderdale Hotel, the Yankee Clipper.

All right, so we will find out whether the audience knew that or not, but there is a lot of stuff that I wanna talk about with Jermell Hill, and I will tell you, Jermell Hill is unbothered is a podcast and a YouTube celebration that you should enjoy. It's Jamel Hill on YouTube at it's Jamel Hill on YouTube and she's got Mary J. Blige and Method Man on Jamel Hill is unbothered. Did you uncover any of the good stuff with them?

You have gotten a lot of guests here that are top end on Jamel Hill is unbothered. You're really enjoying this project. I would imagine what did those two, I mean,, these are two, these are two people you've wanted to talk to your entire life, right? I mean, yeah, I mean, Barry J. Blyde is probably, you know, for my generation, I mean, she's probably the number one female R&B artist, you know, for a lot of us. I literally feel like I grew up with this one because when her first album dropped, I was a senior in high school.

And so her, when her second album, my life dropped out of college. So all the heartache she discussed in this album, I could sort of relate to at that point in stage in my life. But the beauty of these two, Mary J and Method Man, is that I was able to sort of get linked into the power universe. So I actually spent many hours on set with Mary J and Method Man because I had a scene with them. And I was, of course, playing my favorite character, which is myself.

That's always a great character to play. They always, whenever they need a reporter, they may need me to do a cameo. Somehow that became our role in the Power Universe, but that was really special for me because as you told me as a youngster growing up in Detroit, that the literal poster on my wall in Mary J. Blige someday, I would not only share a set with her, but get a chance to interview her.

You know, I just never would have believed it. Power is a guilty pleasure for me. Is it still strong after all of these years? The books are kind of... Oh, the spin... This... Not the spin-offs have been great, I think. I mean, especially hers.

You at... What? The original... The original five or six seasons of power were excellent. Now, once they started doing the spin-offs, I was just like, eh, he kind of lost me. Yeah, well... I need ghosts.

I thought... You need ghosts. See, at first I felt that way. And then with raising canning, which I think it's like really well done, uh, that one power force, um, featuring, you know, the, uh, Joseph Segura, who plays Tommy and even this one, you know, it goes to like, I think they've done as good of a job as you could building an entire universe without sort of the main character that created all of this.

So I love it. But Dan, I got a even deeper guilty pleasure and I got a chance to record something about it for yesterday. So I'm all in on Tooby Hive. Like Tooby has me, I'm fighting for my life with this fast channel. I don't know how it came to be high. Like, to me has me, I'm fighting for my life with this fast, I don't know how it came to me, but it has such eloquent cinema on there that is all rooted, a lot of it is rooted in

Detroit and a lot of it is real good. I'm not going to hold you up. It's very, very good. And it has me right now. It has a lock on me there. And I need to, I need to get out of this to be high because before I look up and know it, I watch like seven or eight to three movies and I don't know what happened to all of my day because I'm so invested in this network

now. It is getting harder and harder to not get addicted to some of these candy sugar things that end up with you being lost in some of these places. Billy was arguing earlier. He was saying also, because we can't figure out what's real or not real on the internet. He's saying this is the single best time in the history of America to be a skeptic. But he's not wrong. Yeah. Put it on the pole, please. Is this the best time in the history of America to be a skeptic? But I wanted to talk to you about something serious here,

Jamal, because these things happen pretty slowly to the tearing down when we find out that people that we loved once upon a time, R. Kelly, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, these things don't happen quickly. And it would appear that Diddy right now is in the middle of this happening. And it feels like he's about to have a whole lot of people come forward with the freedom to not be afraid of his money and his power. So what do you think is happening here

and is going to happen with Diddy? Well, I think once the floodgates were sort of open with his ex Cassie coming out with the allegations that she did, which were very serious, very, you know, they were damning, and, you know, to be totally honest. I think as we see the pattern with all of these cases, it takes one person, that person has the bravery and the courage to come forward. And then suddenly you hear many, many stories and or you have many allegations that service. And I think with Diddy,

usually a lot of times that these people, I can say this was the case or however you might see because like I'm not embedded enough in that world to know, but I know that in general, when it comes to these accusations finally coming to light, they have been the subject of whispers for many, many years. So these are, you may now be finding out the gory, awful, tragic, horrible details. But there's always been a lot of

whispers around some of these people that when we finally sort of understand the depth of what the allegations are against them, it can be jarred into a lot of people because a lot of people have put people like him and the people you mentioned, Bill Cosby, they put them on pedestals. These are people who have been entertaining us for decades, not just one or two years.

And so at this point, I don't know why we continue to put these people on pedestals or why we continue to act surprised and stunned when more often than not the combination of power, money, of being completely unchecked and having enablers, it typically does not lead to the greatest of behaviors. And they don't all have to be as serious as the allegations against Ditty, but they typically don't lead to the best behaviors in people. I'm not saying that we should not allow ourselves

the luxury of entertainment. What I am saying, and to some degree, we actually see this with Cam Newton, and trust me, I can lick it there, is that every time we elevate people who are in celebrity positions beyond the station of just being people who entertain us, we find out every single time

that your faves are problematic you don't expect him to keep his freedom right like i mean we can all do innocent until proven guilty but there's so much here and it's been talked about for so long you expect did he to be able to survive this with his freedom. I actually do, but I think his reputation is, the damage is irreversible. You know, when you think about how he was moving in the business world, I don't think anybody in their right mind wants to do business with Diddy. And it's only unfortunate in this way.

And I'm not saying that this should be a reason that people feel any sympathy whatsoever for them. But usually these people have built an entire economy around what they do. And so it's not just about Diddy. It's about the people that have become sort of part of the empire's build. Like I think about revolt.

I know a lot of people who work over at revolt. These are really good, talented people. And I'm wondering like what's going to happen to them because of all of this, because anything right now with Diddy's name on it is toxic. So it's not just about him, he's thinking everything that he's been attached to. And so I expect him to maybe survive with his freedom,

but his reputation is gone. And if he had any higher aspirations in business, I just don't see how that's even remotely possible now. As a veteran of journalism, who's not often surprised by things, and for those who do not know, what are the worst of the details when you're reading through this and you're like,

oh my God, this surprises even me, even though I've seen just about everything here. Well, so I think people are sort of having the wrong conversation, is that they have made this about Diddy's sexuality, whatever that may be. It is not about Diddy's sexuality. It's about whether or not he abused his power, whether or not he committed a crime,

and whether or not he committed a crime, and whether or not he was assaulting and has this awful track record of abusing young women. That's what this is about. That's where our outrage and shock should be directed toward is that, not toward who it was, who it was doesn't matter. The method and how he operated is what matters. And so I think the violence of it, because, you know, while there, you know, there's been certain incidents that Diddy has been alleged

to have done or whatever, I don't think that people necessarily looked at him as having this violent persona. And so hearing about some of these details, that part of it, and I just think that the pravity of all of it, to what, if there is any possibility that he could really hurt some people, you know, not just emotionally, but physically, I mean, that, all of that is just very sickening, you know, to me. And unfortunately, as a a result then you see Why we need to have more conversations around Educating people about sexual assault so that sort of the ignorance factor of all of this and how we're processing it that part I'm always disappointed in

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