The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Just When I Thought It Couldn't Be Any Worse (feat. Jemele Hill)

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Jemele Hill joins the show to discuss the state of the WNBA with CBA negotiations approaching. Dan confuses Jemele's husband for an exterminator. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Can you guys put up on the screen please the text exchange of Greg Cody leaving last week with his mustache painted and sending it to his wife and his wife says, ug, just when I thought it couldn't be any worse. And so Greg Cody had to let go of the mustache. It was let go after five or six days or what? How long did it last? Too long, according to my wife. Okay, yeah. She did not like it. You left here very confidently last week after everybody was complimenting that look of the painted on mustache. Okay, yeah, she did not like it. You left here very confidently last week after everybody was complimenting that look of the painted on mustache. Yeah, she convinced me that they were just kidding me.

We were not kidding you. We were not kidding you. We thought it was a good look for you. We'll bring in Jamel Hill here. We'll ask her if she thinks this is a good look for you because we've got a number of things to talk to her about. Didn't you think, don't you think this makes him look younger, Jamel?

How do you think he looks better with this painted on mustache or with this clean face that doesn't conceal some of the age under his nose? Now, even though it's true that women typically love facial hair, I think we love more goatees. So really, really, Greg, the problem is that you didn't take it far enough. It should have been a full goatee.

But I would take the clean baby face look over this sort of slightly nefarious should he be within a playground look. It is. He does. It is slightly nefarious. I think I would arrest you based on profile. It would be the mustache.

I would just arrest you if you were near a playground and no one would dispute it like no one in America would have any Happy about us perpetuating this mustache PDF thing that we keep doing through societies the political elites damn the political elites. They don't look like that All right I know there are no files and someone else wrote the files that don't exist, but we need to stop doing this in mustaches. Jamel makes a good point. My wife has said, at least if you grow the entire goatee,

that's marginally acceptable. She has given me that much. Well, the mustache was especially terrible. By the way, you're having a bad arm day. Your right arm is bleeding. Something has happened there to have made your arm. First and foremost, are you okay? Anybody get a napkin?

I'll run in there. Can anyone get a napkin? Can anyone get a napkin? This happens. There is a bloody arm here, I don't know. It looks, as I'm looking at it, it looks like a sore has simply belched up some blood. Okay.

Are you okay? I'm fine. Does this happen? Can you hold it up so we can see it at least? I don't wanna do that. Okay, it's a visual medium though. All right, in the interim, let's play for Jamel here some video.

Does this have any audio on it? This is a WNBA All-Star Game this week. What are you laughing about, Tony? Just in general? No, dude, you look over here like, your arm is bleeding. It's a lot of blood. It's not a little bit of blood. It looks like he was shivved. It's not a small amount anyway. The WNBA, ah the video crew caught you. He's gonna flee the room in disgrace. I switched the microphone. He's gonna do it himself. Because people were too slow.

Look, they're helping you over here with some... Some balms. Did he not feel it? Look, an assortment of balms. What is happening? We got many balms here. An assortment of balms to take care of you. Wear gloves, Mike.

This is why he wears long-sleeve shirts anybody get a tourniquet uh... let's play let's uh... let's play this video there is no audio but i want to talk about uh... this is super interesting to me jimel because the w n b a at the women have realized what they're worth and uh... that's going to make for a fight with management who are not going to want to think they are worth that uh... these uh... things between players in management are usually contentious

and the cba is uh... they're not close here but on friday before the all-star game you've got players dancing with the w n b a commissioner kathy engel, and they're wearing shirts that say, pay us what you owe us, okay? So go ahead and play that instead of Greg Cody's bloody arms so that we can see what the ladies are doing here.

What do you make of the economic fight at the center of this, because it is really cool to see these players realize how valuable they are in the streaming age and how this has exploded and of course management's not going to be prepared for how to deal with that. First, what people don't know because I understand you probably can't play the audio, but they are dancing to Nuck if you buck, which ironically is about fighting. So as we discussed, the fight that is taking place

between the players and of course, NBA or ownership, I should say WNBA ownership. Here's a few things that I need players, not players, people excuse me to understand. The WNBA players are not asking for NBA money. They have never asked for NBA money. Currently they get about 9% of the, their portion of things is 9%.

And what you saw across social media is people react in a way that shouldn't surprise you, that you've covered sports enough to know that whenever there is labor strife or labor tension between player and owner, people side with the owners, which always blows my mind because I don't understand this constant glazing of billionaires as if they need help, as if they need more support than they already do. And so already you see how these pieces are aligning

when it comes to how fans and how people who are casual observers feel about this fight that they are waging. People have to understand that these women, maybe not this generation of women, but what the generations of women in the WNBA have had to endure to make sure they got to the point where, yes, they could say, you owe us. They have shared hotel rooms. They have traveled commercially. They don't even have a pension. All right?

The WNBA players do not have a pension. People talked about, say, a franchise like the Chicago Sky where they are practicing in a rec facility where if you're coming in there to do your 30-minute water aerobics class, you also get to see Angel Reese because she is working out and practicing at the same gym. So that's what we're talking about here, about resources and about investment.

And so the players, they see what's coming down the pike. The fact is next year, a $2.2 billion media rights deal kicks off for the WNBA. You have record investment. The Valkyries, the Valkyries are already the newest WNBA team. They're already evaluated at $500 million. The New York Liberty is valuated at $420 million. And I know this will really surprise you, Dan, given how long that you have covered sports.

But when people keep on regurgitating that, oh, but they lost 40 to $50 million last year, what's the source of that? The source of that is, oh my god, it's the NBA. The NBA said it. You mean the same NBA that in 2011 when there was a lockout, they said they were losing a billion dollars? You mean the same NBA in 1999 when there was another lockout? They told people the majority of NBA franchises were losing money. All I have to say is like,

I ain't the brightest person in the world. I'm not the best business owner. But if the WNBA business was so bad, how are they adding five teams by 2030? Why are billionaires literally tearing an ACL to buy into this league if the business of it is so bad? It's because as much as the revenue, the revenue certainly counts,

the valuations tell you exactly what is possible for this league and the players know this and they want their cut. Jamel, go through some of these numbers with me because you said something that just shocked me and I did not know it. 9% is half of what Dana White gives his fighters and that's offensive what Dana White is doing

and 9% is unbelievably bad. Yeah, it is bad because listen, your rookies shouldn't be making the same as the bank manager at Bank of America. They shouldn't be making the same as that. And again, people need to compare it to, as you said, other leagues and what they're making. Like we realized with the NBA is very generous.

The players are getting a 50% split, but 9%, 9% Dan and no pension, all right? But that's crazy. Is there anything else like that? Like what's comparable? Tony you know this like MMA is notorious for being Despicable to its labor and this is half of that like nine percent is offensive when you said that I wasn't registering like yeah

18% like nine percent is like less than it's less than 10% of what everybody's making that's great math by you. Thank you That's lunacy. I'm flying that's lunacy that I mean what what's comparable to that what? Historically, what do you have that would have an entertainment vehicle? That's as valuable as this one with the labor making 9% And what are they asking for Jamal like if you can if you can look at this in any way sort of Objectively right because I know this is this is also something that you're rooting for You would say what else would compare to something as poor as nine percent when you have probably the most What has been the most undervalued thing in sports given that the TV age and

the streaming age is going to need this programming soon given the numbers that it does. Dan, I can't really think of a comparable, but I can't say this in terms of what the players are asking for. Like obviously they're going to go for an even split and I'm not sure if they're going to get it, but I will say if they get like at this point considering how low it is if they get a UFC tie a UFC style split It would be a major win and you know That's what sort of bothers me about the conversation around it is that there is this mentality Especially when it comes to women and then you're dealing with a league that is black women primarily black women 70% that the idea is that they need to just be happy with the crumbs and whatever that they're given.

It's like the people that are investing in this league and even the NBA itself, the reason that they have chosen to subsidize this league is not because of charity. And because women's sports is always positioned as something charitable, as something that people are doing just because it's the right thing to do.

No, this is a business. And the reason that the NBA started the WNBA is because they knew that this moment would eventually come. It wasn't because, sure, David Stern had a vision of being able to do something that hadn't been done in America, which is have a viable, profitable league that showcases the very best

women's basketball players in the world. But he also was thinking about this from a business standpoint, as was everyone who has been involved along the way. And even as the WNBA has been losing money, and I put that in air quotes, because we frankly don't know what the books look like, because that's kind of the way it goes

in professional sports, at the very least, they have provided a very safe tax bunker for a lot of NBA owners, hence why for a long time that they had no real reason to invest. And now that they see an opportunity here through Caitlin Clark, through Angel Reese, through the fact that just as a public being that much more interested in women's basketball, they want their share. I think to protect the product, and it makes sense for the owners to do this,

is that you eventually, I mean, this season alone, the WNBA will play more games than they've ever had, you know, through the regular season and the playoffs. So it'll be, you know, 50-something games. You wanna make sure you pay them enough, at least so that they're not going overseas. What does it say about the salary structure in the WNBA that the whole reason that Brittany Greiner was playing in Russia is because in Russia that has not so good of a record of

human rights pays their women's basketball players better than they do here in America. That's the whole reason why she was there. That's why Diana Taurasi was there. That's why many of them go overseas. They go overseas to countries that have terrible human rights violations because they actually could get paid what they're worth in those countries and not in this country. Howdy folks, it's Mike Ryan. If you were listening to the show just a couple days ago, you know that Jeremy came up with the top five. Breath of fresh air type of list, a really refreshing

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as the leaves turn, there really isn't a bad time to turn into Miller time. Next time we should do a top five times to have Miller time. I like where your head's at because it's every time. That's right. Every time. Morning time. Well, scratch that. right. Every time. Morning time problem. Well, scratch that. Nah, morning time.

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Don LeBretard! Are the stakes that high that if Angel Reese loses to Katelyn Clark you need to start over again as a race? Stugats! I don't know that we have to necessarily start over, but it might have to be, it will be a black people's meeting, an important one that will be called the next day, but we might have to put some things on the agenda

and get it on the table. This is the Don LeVar Tar Show with the Stugats. ["The Stugats"] Jamel, I was going to mention Britney spending a year in a Russian jail directly linked to the embarrassingly low WNBA salaries. I was also going to mention the unrivaled league in Miami began expressly because these women couldn't make enough money in their own league. What's it going to take to be fair with these salaries? And do you envision a time when the players

may threaten a strike if they don't get what they want? Where's all this headed? In my mind, I think both parties know that a strike, especially right now while the product is so hot, is not a good idea. But that being said, let's look at the resolve of these women. They're already not used to getting paid.

I think they're willing to see this to the mat. And when they wore those t-shirts, it reminded me of another time they wore some t-shirts, which was just recently in the last couple of years. And that would be the year of 2020, where they wore t-shirts to support Raphael Warnock, the senator out of Georgia, who was polling at 9% before these players decided to take on a WNBA owner and Kelly Loeffler, who was the sitting senator at the time, who made some disparaging comments about the players participating in the Black Lives Matter movement. She made those comments. They took it personally.

They did their research. They got behind her opponent, an opponent nobody thought could win, and they decided to put their entire platform and muscle behind an owner to get that owner kicked out of the United States Senate. So that's the type of resolve that they have. This is the crowd you don't want to mess around with because, yeah, to prove a, not to just prove a point, but to get what they're finally worth They're willing to go as far as required to do this and I hope that the WNBA WNBA ownership and the NBA League brass understand this this is not the crowd to play with play with somebody else Don't play with these women from the WNBA Jamal to that exact point though

Like isn't it the perfect time for a strike if your product is hot if you have all this resolve say okay you guys want to make all this money off us and pay less than 10% 9% like all right we're done like we'll bring somebody else I mean that's exactly why they opted out that's why they opted out of their collective bargaining agreement that was already in place is because they saw and understood what the moment was and likewise as a part of this back- forth battle, hence why I find the timing of suddenly the New York media knowing exactly how much money

that the WNBA lost last year, I found that to be pretty interesting. There's a lot of interesting stuff here, Jamel. Like when you mentioned the resolve of these women, it is not lost on me that these women were stronger during 2020 than even the men were. You're mentioning that they're used to not making money. You've seen what's going on with the NFL Players Union. It's a disaster there, at least in part because those very wealthy people aren't willing to miss

a single paycheck in Unity. I would say these are the people to be least trifled with, given all of the conditions. Like, they're the most likely to strike and they're the most likely to have resolved Yeah, because they're already accustomed to not making money and it's interesting that you bring in the NFL Because one of the things that I think I mean granted obviously NFL player salaries have increased dramatically You have more and more players that are able to get fully guaranteed contracts. But if you look at the NBA history is that their fight early on in the early stages, when the league, when people wonder whether or not this league would

survive, I mean, we're talking about the early seventies, particularly when they merged for the ABA and when Oscar Robinson fought for the league to have free agency borrowing what Kurt Flood did in Major League Baseball. People have this idea that the time to strike is when it's already profitable, when things are already good. That is not the time to strike.

The time to strike is now when you're on the verge of something, because that's when you can get the conditions met. See, I don't think we'll ever see guaranteed contracts in the NFL, because why would the owners ever agree to that? They have no reason to do it. But here in the WNBA, now is the time to get those things that would further submit them

as a real legitimate professional league. Now is the time to strike for pensions. Now is the time to strike for higher salaries and set the tone. The NBA players set the tone in the early 70s, and that is why you have players making $300 and $400 million today. And so this is, unfortunately, a window into what is the American mentality about a lot of things, especially when it comes to women and Black women demanding things. It's like, no, you guys should really be on their side

because the struggle that they're facing is a struggle a lot of women can relate to, being undervalued, being underpaid, but doing similar work. This should be easy to root for. And yet for a lot of people, they look at who is doing the asking and they have more of a problem with that as opposed to a problem with the people who have been exploiting them in this league

for almost 30 years. Did you have any opinion on Stephen Colbert being fired? Well it's funny that we're talking about this because it was interesting to see how when that figure got out and again we don't know where this comes from about whether you know about the amount of money that he was losing. And I will say this, it was already a really bad precedent that Paramount set by settling with Donald Trump.

And naturally somebody like Stephen Colbert, who has always been politically fearless, when he expressed his displeasure with that, which by the way, I think that's a pretty popular opinion that people saw what was going on there. It just, the journalist in me, and as somebody who's in the medium of giving their opinion, it is just quite triggering for me

because it's just another reminder of that everything is good until it's not. And for him, I think seeing something like this It's just another reminder of that everything is good until it's not. And for him, I think seeing something like this happen to him is just a reminder about the kind of atmosphere and political climate that we live in. The truth is, is that a lot of these companies, a lot of media companies don't have the stomach for this kind of time. We're in a wartime mode when it comes to speaking out

and speaking against the things that are happening in this country. And it's easier to get along and to stay uninvolved and to stay neutral. And when you don't, there's a cost and a price that comes with that. And I know some people will say, well, the show is losing money and that sort of thing. And I'm, I'm opinion that, let's say Stephen Colbert never says anything about Paramount settling with Trump. You mean to tell me he wouldn't still be on air? Because I have a feeling that he would be. And those losses, they were more than acceptable when they felt like they weren't being challenged

in the way that he was challenging them. So I think it's a very stark reminder, and unfortunately, it's a very harmful message to be sending right now. You guys ready to play Would You Die on That Hill? Is everybody ready? Is it ready? Does it have music? Do we have better music?

["Would You Die on That Hill?" by The Bachelorette plays.] No. Would. You. Die. On. This. Hill. This hill. We don die on this hill? We don't know this or that. It's that hill.

It's that hill. Would you die on that hill? Venus Williams might be returning to tennis at 45 years old. That's a good thing. Would you be willing to die on this hill? Yes, I am of the opinion that professional athletes, on that hill. Yes, I am of the opinion that professional athletes, especially those who have done as much for the game

as she has that have accomplished as much as she has, they have the right to retire in any way they see fit. So yes, I would love to see big 40s, Venus Williams come back to tennis. Diplo should change the music he's playing at a WNBA All-Star party because Courtney Williams tells him to change that quote lame ass music and play some hip hop.

Would you die on that hill? I would die more than once on this hill because I hate EDM. I can't stand it, all right? I hate that. I hate this music, all right? And I don't consider EDM to be the same as house music. I grew up in Detroit, we listened to house music.

House music and EDM ain't the same. Listen, haven't been to a WNBA turn up a time or two, I can tell you, Nuck if you buck and wipe me down goes way harder There's some of the things that people does now. I'm not look Diplo's very talented his crowd just ain't for me, but Courtney Williams saved the party by doing that So I got your back court you did the right thing if anybody is familiar with Diplo They'd know that he was getting to it. Hey, you know, he'd get to it. But Courtney Williams is well within her right to interrupt Diplo's set to tell him what

to play at an NBA All-Star game. You are dying on that hill. Yes, I am. And listen, I generally get for DJs, it's very annoying when people come up and say, hey, could you play this? Could you do this? They don't like it when you interrupt their set and they have a flow and they have an idea how they want to do things their way.

But with the WNBA party, you could just, he could have just left that EDM stuff, left it on the back, unplayed. He changed it right away. He did, because he understood. So thank you Courtney, you saved the party. Scotty Scheffler should be forced to play with only three clubs. Are you willing to... Die on that hill! Make up your mind. Now, as somebody who took up golf three years ago and has become completely obsessed, can I just say in general, like I, you know, I don't know that people have the full appreciation

for what Scottie Scheffler is doing. He shouldn't have to play for three clubs, of course. If anything, give him more clubs, because I want to see more dominance. This is a run, obviously, a lot of people are thinking about Tiger Woods's 2000 run, which was historic. And while I do think there is a difference in the dominance, Scottie Schaeffler's consistency, the fact that he is so poised, him being completely unflappable.

I watched the entire open, and it was one of the best sports performances that I have seen this year. The CEO of the company that was cheating on his wife with the head of HR should have played it cool in the Jumbotron. Will you die on that hill? Okay, well, it's what led to it being a viral moment.

I don't know that millions of people find out, because you're right, if he plays it cool, millions of people don't find out because it was the reaction that created the drama and the question asking. However, I still think Mr. CEO gets caught. Why would you take the side piece to a concert with 60 plus thousand people?

Nobody there you know is gonna see you. She loves Coldplay. Take care of your girl on the side. You know what I mean, Jamel? Come on now. I heard it was an out of town concert. So maybe it was a business trip. It does not matter.

This world is too small. Somebody knows somebody who knows somebody. And I'm just saying that his reaction is what created the viral moment. But these two people were just meant to get caught. And so I think, regardless, somebody goes back, tells the wife or tells their spouses what's going on. They get caught regardless.

But now they are the butt of a national joke because of the reaction. I would like the audience to get clever and tell me what band names would be better, given what that viral moment was, to describe what it is that you're watching when you're watching live being ruined, than Coldplay.

It's not a great name for the situation, but it's not a bad one either. Give me some better ones. A band. A band, yes. Give me some better nominations there. Tony, what do you got for Jamel? Jamel, speakerphone in public, talking on the phone,

speakerphone in public is never the move, ever. Are you gonna die on this hill? Yes, I will die on this hill. There's a particular post office that I go to and every single time I come in there, somebody is on their speaker phone having a full-on conversation, inviting me into their life in ways I did not ask for.

The conversation is never, hey, honey, can you pick up some eggs? The conversation is always so utterly ridiculous. Like last time I was in this particular post office, I had to hear about an entire weekend confrontation that happened because somebody got slapped over something. And it was just like, I don't want to be in your world. Hold on, no, somebody got slapped.

We got to figure out why. So I'd be leaning in a little bit longer, like, oh, what'd she say? Watching. I mean, it was whatever it was. It was quite contentious. And it was over somebody telling somebody something about somebody's child that they shouldn't have been telling them. I was like, okay I don't I don't need to know all of this so people please for the love of God use your headphones

I don't need to hear all your business and certainly the people that walk down the street with you know with the with You know with their beats their beats feel on like I don't need to know that Fetty Wap you don't like that? I mean I like Fetty Wap I do. 1738 I just don't need to hear it out loud in environments where I'm not expecting to have loud music like if we're at a pool if we're at a beach yes but yo I'm just trying to come in here and retrieve the items out of my post office box I don't need to hear the sounds of the soundtrack of your life. Real quick though, Dan, I will say this, you talk about what would have been an acceptable band to

be caught cheating to I would say earth, wind and fire, especially if they were telling playing or singing reasons, because that's a cheating song. I will not watch movies with limited interruptions. I will not stream movies with limited interruptions. I will not stream movies with limited interruptions. Are you willing to die on that hill? Who just walked behind you? Is that an exterminator?

Somebody just went- No, that's my husband! Oh, I didn't buy it. An exterminator? An exterminator? He looked like he was holding like a scuba- He looked like he was holding like a scuba tank or something that like,

something that he would spray the house with. Anyway, limited interruptions on a streamed movie. Are you willing to die on that hill? Yes, I will. I will watch one if it's good enough. If it's good enough. If they got me in with the previews, I will die on the hill of watching it

with limited interruptions. Will you watch a Netflix movie that does not, I will not watch a Netflix movie that does not, I will not watch a Netflix movie that does not have a trailer to it that's missing the trailer. Are you willing to die on that hill? I never watch the trailers on Netflix. I gotta be honest, I don't. Like, I mean, I just kind of fast, I just kind of look at the movies based off the poster.

If the poster looks good, I'm like, all right, I'll watch it. I don't really need to see the trailer last thing then July 27th. I learned the other day is national chicken fingers day I learned this from Snoop Dogg There has never been anyone to go from a murder trial to a commercial career like Snoop Dogg I am willing to are you willing to die? Snoop Dogg, I am willing to, are you willing to die on that hill? I am, although the closest I can think of in the sports world is Ray Lewis.

To go from being accused of murder to suddenly becoming a ambassador in the face of the league and to be somebody who, you know, he was in all the other commercials like he and be considered and generally now again i'm making no judgment on this character to be considered by most as a good guy it was probably the biggest turnaround i've ever seen other than this is

probably red list uh... jimel nice to see you i will tell everybody here that you should check out all our works politics is the podcast that she has and Itch Jamel Hill is the YouTube handle. Nice seeing you Jamel, as always. Thank you for stopping by. All right. And I'll tell my husband that you thought that he was an exterminator. He's going to love that.

Please text me what it is he was holding in his left hand because it looked like a canister of some sort. Good to see you. They called it a scuba tank. I thought he was fumigating. I'm sorry. See you later. Okay.

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Was that a fake Schefter? I tried. It was pretty good. It was excellent. I feel like there's legs. I tried at the beginning and then I lost confidence in it. Why? It was good, it was good. You got this. There's nothing official.

Yeah, it's so good. Conversations are still ongoing. Stugats. It is trending towards Nick Sirianni, remaining the head coach of the Eagles. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. Did you guys see any of the details reported over the weekend on Lloyd Howell who resigned from the players union? The details on the story ike i'd texted uh... pablo and dominique unlike

on seven did lorraine howell resign because of what this was before i read the most recent reporting did lorraine uh... howell resigned because of what you reported or because of what he fears is coming next in the reporting because they stood pretty strong the first few days on the he's not resigning were rallying around him and now they're having just total leadership turnover such as him

uh... the nfl p a is in a mess and these details on loyal to howell were being asked about by the s p n right before he resigned and some of the details are that he arrived in Fort Lauderdale at 1020 one night and took a $700 car service immediately from the airport to Tootsies. Right around the corner. The world's largest strip club and not an $800 car service unless you're making the car wait for you till you get back to your sunny isles apartment at six a.m. because you went hard at that strip club I think he's resigning because of the questions about that he didn't want that to come out because the initial reaction was not him resigning he he ended up staying in that

position and the quotes were supporting him and this is what i believe this is what got him fired because when i when i asked on the need and pablo answered my own question with yes he's resigning because what was reported and what's coming they don't want anymore reporting around the things that they were doing that's a ridiculous fee for a car service. That trip is less than $100 unless you're in a limousine. I love how much authority you're speaking on this matter with too. Oh, you're hungry if you're going straight from Fort Lauderdale Airport landing. You're leaving your suitcase in the car, you're leaving whatever your travel is in the car and you're going straight to the club from the airport. That's aggressive.

Yeah, it should be noted that Pablo and his team uncovered a second NFLPA cover-up and then almost hours later we had the executive director residing over the weekend, J.C. Tredder, also resigned and yeah, now you have pulled surprise-winning journalists working for the big letters also poking around seeing what else they can expose and they probably looked at one another and said this is probably it. Tootsies does advertise as the world's largest strip club. Is it?

It's a warehouse. I've never been there but it's 76,000 square feet. It used to be a BJ's Wholesale Club. I bet it did. You haven't been there either, right? No, of course not. I believe you. It has to be the largest, right? If it's 76,000 square feet of strip club and if it, and-

Well, this is a great, I mean, Billy is trying to carve out a niche here, travel correspondent. Maybe we can send him across the nation to see if he can find one bigger. I am? I am? You guys would agree that- Amusement park guy.

Oh yeah. I guess that is- Or your amusement, but an amusement of sorts. Mm-hmm You guys would agree that Costco is the single largest place I can offer you in any kind of retail That would be funny to put a strip club in right like Home Depot would be closed But but it's pretty good isn't Costco's but is it? BJ's is pretty good. Isn't Costco's, or BJ's, whatever, that kind, that's the largest thing of its kind that you will find anywhere, right?

There aren't, I don't know, in Memphis, I think there's a pyramid of some sort for. It's a Bass Pro Shops. Bass Pro Shops, yes, a pyramid. But it's also like a hotel as well it's where the Grizzlies used to play there can't be strip clubs more than six seventy six that's the biggest in the world right now then that world I believe that future reporting is what has ended up sacking the very top of

the NFL players union it is a players union that is very hard to keep unified and I've spoken to enough players here like mortified, mortified by the leadership in this case. I was talking a couple of weeks ago about Demorah Smith's book and sort of was interesting to me to hear that he had written a book because that position almost demands that you not be a look-at-me person and DeMora Smith was a super look-at-me person and then he writes a book that's totally unnecessary he's not Marvin Miller in any way like he didn't do any groundbreaking things in the negotiating of contracts for the players. And the players generally don't trust their union leadership.

And this is why. When I tell you what that drive is from Fort Lauderdale to Tootsies, and I tell you the car service is $700 and I'm a player, if I'm a player and I'm reading that, you are an advocate for me. The fact that you are high paid is only because of the talent that we have and you are wasting our money living a lifestyle and incidentally I

should say media relations departments, I don't know if they still do this, but media relations departments in New York for for example, had a strip club budget for their media people. So this is a way that a union representative might entertain being around with players. Was it called specifically that or just entertainment? Wait, so like the Dolphins have a budget for Greg to go to the strip club on the Dolphins dime? I said New York, not Miami. I just said that New York used to have it.

But I'm saying, like, the team-wise, New York. I don't know. Not for the people covering them, for the people that work in the media relations department there. OK. I mean, part of the reason that they gave him, I guess in a vacuum, that being a salacious headline

does nothing to jeopardize his status, nothing. Because the excuse that he gave was team you know, team-building expense. All right, that's fine. It looks bad when it's scooped on top of everything that's going on around you. Yes, that's the only reason. Going to a strip club is not against the law. Players go to strip clubs.

It's not the strip club, it's the $700 card charge of wasted money. My question is, who's paying for that? If he's paying for that out of his own pocket? No, he's not! What do you mean? Says who? It's an expense. if he's paying for that I was always not what do you mean no no it's an expense no it's an expensive that's the conference white left like what do you mean says who let me know that's where that's where he screwed up I was for a business meeting I think it's barely a controversy if it if it isn't it's not on top of what Pablo reported

in it and if it if it isn't proceeding what's about to come out otherwise a strip club is benign. I will tell you that it would be a controversy if NFL players found out not this one thing about the cost of the car and the car service, but if that's what he's doing on one trip, it's what he's doing on all trips and it's not the way that they should be spending their money. It's not an accurate way to be a union representative or leadership for players when all you are is an advocate for them. You're an administrative assistant.

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