The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Leading The World In Screwing Fans

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

Legendary sportswriter Sally Jenkins joins us to discuss her new book "The Right Call: What Sports Teach Us About Life And Work" and share some of the best personalities she spoke with and stories she learned. Then, David tried to speak with Mike Ryan during the break, but Mike snubbed him to buy tickets to Messi's first game. Why did he have to buy them right away? Why don't his season tickets cover this match? Does the U.S. have the worst ticket policies? And after Mike explains how he wants to sell the extra tickets he just bought, Amin, Stu, and David ALL create their own hypothetical ticket sale scenarios. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don Levertor Show with the Stugat's Podcast. I've got to be honest, if I saw on a bookshelf, David Samson, the right call, right call the title of the book the right call what sports teach us about life and work I would not read that book. I would not want to read that book But if I saw the name Sally Jenkins as the author Okay, why has she chosen this there must be something fascinating here I know she's going to report the hell out of it. And if she's choosing subject matter like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Bill Belicek, she's going to go and talk to people who are real craftsmen, geniuses, and she's going to do some real learning.

But I would not want to try and get something out of Bill Belicek. I would not want to try too hard to work the corners of interviewing people who are very good at not giving me any information. It's why you buy the author and not the title. In this case, I would. So, the right call, what sports teachers about life and work, Sally Jenkins is with us now. And thank you, Sally, for joining us.

Tell me why you chose this as subject matter and tell me please why it is you chose the people you chose to talk to to inform it. Because it's what I've been doing for a living for 30 years and it began to grow on me that I was actually watching something a lot more interesting than pure entertainment and so I wanted to kind of drill down a little more deeply than you get to doing newspaper columns you know every week and actually go to a Steve Kerr, go to a Peyton Manning, and ask them some sort of nagging questions

about what it is they're really doing out there on the field of play, which is making decisions and making decisions under pressure and performing under really high pressure circumstances. You know, the interesting thing about most high-powered decision-makers is they work behind closed doors, whereas the sports guys are right out on the field

in front of us in real time. And so I wanted to really examine decision-making under pressure, which hence the title, the right call. I don't claim credit for the subtitle. It's a little geeky. Oh, no, but I'm not even faulting that. I'm just saying life wisdom through sports books but I'm not even I'm not even faulting that. I'm just saying life wisdom through sports books. I'm done with them until until a career journalist who really

gets inspired by wait, I've been covering genius for 30 years and now my curiosities have have gone to a place where I want to talk to Bill Bela check and see if I could get something out of him because I've never read anything very interesting about Bill Belichick. Yeah, I mean, I was lucky. I got to interview him one-on-one just one time. But, you know, he gives you a lot. He's very different on the one-to-one. He, in press conferences, he's so forbidding and, you know, he's playing a real game. He's hiding things from the opponent. He's playing games with the press because he just doesn't believe in what he calls verbal vomiting.

He thinks that the opponent can learn stuff from that whether you realize it or not. But on the one-to-one he was really informative just talking to him about his methods and the main thing I took away from Bella check two things. One is the degree to which he really values the unsung grinders in his locker room. The dependables, as he calls them. And then the second thing is just the degree to which he really believes that if you can't do something in practice in the face of a little bit of resistance, you're really not going to be able to do anything very well under pressure in the face of all the real resistance that you meet in the world. Pressure is the key point on this. You're really interested in how there is poise at the height of everyone's watching. Don't make an ass of yourself.

Yeah, I mean, you know, that's the whole deal, right? Like, that's what we're really watching is performance under pressure, decision making under pressure, which is actually a really, really common experience. I think we tend to think that these people are kind of unreachable, unrelatable in some ways. And the fact of the matter is that this is where they're most accessible. They all feel pressure. They all have to learn how to mitigate it.

And that's the thing that you and me can take home from them. You know, the $64,000 question for me in 30 years of sports writing has been, what can we really learn from these people? Are they just there to awe us and entertain us? Or is there something deeper going on out there? And I've just become persuaded. There's a real deep intelligence in what they do under pressure. And I found it was beginning to influence my own work

and how I write. These athletes and coaches were making me a better writer. So that was part of what I wanted to investigate. Is it the skill that makes them the genius? Because then I could look at artists and we could do a book like this about artists as well. You could. So really you're talking about something that happens

on the field, but what about you as a writer or those of us doing content creation or executives? There's a genius there, I guess, sometimes with some people. It's just not necessarily on display. I mean, I think that the genius that they have is really a self acquired skill set, which is acquired over a number of years. I think that athletes and coaches examine their weaknesses much more closely, very much like an artist, say a pianist will. Like they really work at a pianist works

at a measure of music until it's so internalized that they can play it with feeling and with real, you know, memory, deep memory and intuition. Athletes are a lot like that. They deeply internalize the mechanics of their performance, but it takes an incredible amount of dirty practice to get to that point. And that's where the rest of us can really learn. We can learn from their methods and their habits of mitigating pressure with memorization, practice under pressure, practice in the face of resistance. One name only, the most interesting person you talk to was blank. Steve Kirk.

What can you give us in the way of insight? Drain my brain. Jordan Poole and managing that entire human situation as a manager of people trying to hold together a champion under pressure. Yeah. I mean, the biggest insight from Steve Kerr is that your followers have to buy in

or you're no good at all as a leader. We really look at leadership from the wrong end up. We tend to look at charismatic drivers who get to the top. When in fact, we should be looking at followers and how they're behaving under those leaders. Steve Kerr has created a culture and a consistency of winning in Golden State, and he was a first time head coach. What he understood when he came into Golden State was it wasn't so important what the place that he was calling He told me strategy is a fraction of what he does play calling is a fraction of what he does

What he does is he builds the environment in which those guys want to carry out what he Suggest that they do You know an NBA coach can't walk into a room full of you know You know, an NBA coach can't walk into a room full of, you know, six foot eight, seven foot guys and say, hey man, put down your cell phones, listen up. That doesn't really work with high powered professionals. I don't care what field you're in. Followers will take you down if they don't trust you or don't like you. They have to trust your intentions are good and they have to trust that your expertise

is sound. And you have to establish that. That's what Steve Kerr really talks about most about in the book is establishing a culture of trust and getting buy-in from your followers so that they don't basically frag you. What you see with so many other coaches, you know, you wonder why a Matt Patricia doesn't succeed as a head coach, why Urban Meyer becomes a huge bust as a head coach? And it's because their followers took them out. Well, Steve Kerr got in the position where he had two players.

Everything you're saying that he did. We were talking about the possibility of two players fighting where they had to get rid of one of them. Maybe both of them. So isn't there a scenario where you are playing Steve Kerr and playing the result where he had a championship team. Had great players was part of a championship team with Phil Jackson and maybe came into the genius. I just wonder Sally when we talk about athletes. We've both known a lot of athletes, not all of them

are genius and a lot of them have skill that was God given in a way that is just makes me an awe, but doesn't ever make me think they're genius. Yeah, but I mean, Steph Curry was the size of your teenage girl when he started out. I mean, I think it's really important to recognize how what a self-made, self-fashion creature a Steph Curry is. Dream on green. I mean, as Steve Kerr said, I mean, Dream on green was a real tweener coming out of college. I mean, you know, that's a Kerr draft pick there. Like he didn't just walk into that situation. He saw something in green that I think a lot of other people didn't, right?

And he said he's a winner. That's what position he plays. And his ability to manage green and manage the team chemistry, despite these repeated blowups, is really, really one of the most interesting coaching jobs I've ever watched sally take me through what just happened in washington this weekend with uh... the the wizards uh... the wizards no longer have uh... the the the names on the wizard are all gone its bill porzinga's kuzma and is on ad the cattaris are buying in on american sports and the picture was of kendrick none

because nobody plays for that team anymore uh... can you please explain to me what just happened in washington well i mean it's a total restart you know it's obviously they're hitting the refresh button uh... they're rebooting uh... you know i don't know if it's going to work you know it's it's difficult to say but obviously they uh... they wanted to get the wheels out of the ditch. We'll see.

The Cattari investment thing, I think there's a real difference between what's been going on with the live PGA tour, which is like 100% ownership. The Saudis will own all of global golf. The Cattari is buying a minority percentage of one franchise in the NBA. The NBA has very strict limits on foreign sovereign government investment of 20%, which is sensible rule. I mean, look, Saudi's own part of Uber. They own small percentages of lots of different companies because the public investment fund

is immense and needs places to put its money. That's a far cry from, say, the live golf merger. So I think that's an important distinction. Where are the wizards are headed? You know, again, it's a blank slate, right? And those are interesting, you know, those can be interesting until they're not. You wrote about the live PGA merger. What do you find most interesting about it? I mean, the thing that I find most interesting about it is the degree to which PGA tour players have thought they had self-determination and it turns out they

have absolutely none. This has been sort of a a festering problem internally in the PGA tour for almost 50 years now. The structure of the tour puts five independent directors on the PGA for policy board who are not golfers their business suits And they sit on this board of a supposed nonprofit making policy decisions for the players and it turns out that Three of those guys could go off and do a deal with the Saudis without consulting or telling a single Professional golfer that is not self-determination. I think the interesting thing will be to see if the players, like Rory McElroy and Tiger Woods and Patrick Cantlay

and Scotty Sheffler, decide that that structure is really untenable and that it needs to be repaired before they do any kind of deal, whatsoever. Sally, how is everything you just said possible? Like I just explain, I don't understand how. Yeah, I can explain it. It's back when Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicholas founded the PGA tour, they thought it was wise

to bring in some business advisors, and that was a sound choice. I think sort of unwittingly, they allowed the charter documents of the PGA tour to be written in a way that gave the commissioner really broad sprawling powers. And Nicholas finally realized in the 80s that they had awarded the commissioner's office and the policy board way too much power and tried to correct it and tried to confront Dean Beeman and unseat Dean Beaman and found that he could not when

someone showed him the charter papers and said, look, these are the commissioners' powers. And Nicholas said, well, who awarded him all those powers? And this guy said, you did and showed Nicholas his signature on the original founding documents. So it's a flaw that's been sitting at the heart of the PGA Tours management for a long, long time. And it's just going to be interesting to see whether this generation of players decides to cure that billions of dollars in the charter papers. I mean, the game, that's ridiculous that the business would be that flimsy,

that billions of dollars would be in paperwork at the very beginning, just at the oversight of when, you know, Jack and Arning got together and drew up the plans Sally thank you for being on with us we appreciate it. I thank you guys thank you. Estrapados los ojos. La calle vamos todos a cieras, pero lo más aterradores no sabrán que confiar. Uy de las personas que os piden que mireis, si queréis seguir convido. Birdbox Barcelona estreno en Netflix el 14 de julio. Te atreves a ver. Dan Levatard Don't let it hard. And this is the one you'll hear, that if you hear anywhere else, you're not going to hear it, okay? Stugats.

Here it is, number two. Wait, wait, what? Wait, say it again. Wait, wait, wait for that on the pole. This is the Don't let it show with this Tugat. As I navigate these shark-infested waters that I find myself in at Metal Arc trying to figure out what I can do, when I can do it, who I can do it with, I am making my way through the office trying to talk to people, crowded, hard to find my way.

There was an opening to try to spend a moment with the EP, Mike Ryan. I walked to talk to him, I mean, and he gave me the hand. And I assumed when I got the hand, it was, I'm working. I got stuff going on, we're filming, we're taping. No, I look closer, he's buying tickets to Messi's first game with Inter Miami. It's a big deal.

That's a big deal, no? No, not when we are doing a show and I'm trying to get notes to talk about what we're doing. I mean, it is a time sensitive thing, right? These tickets are released and then they're gonna get bought up immediately and this is one of the biggest sports stories in South Florida.

It can give your password to a friend who's not doing a live show? No, no, no, far too important. Can't be trusted with that. And time is of the essence. While I was trying to snag up my tickets, I got four, I only need two, I got four to pay for the other two.

While you're doing that, sometimes the seats that you select disappear because other people are beating you to the punch. So you gotta be as quick as possible. So instead of doing work with me, you were profiting of the fact that messy is now with Intermya. Well, he's a profiting, hold on.

You just said. I haven't profited yet. He just said he bought four tickets when he only wanted two. I thought you had seasoned tickets. So yes, I do have seasoned tickets and all that the seasoned tickets afforded me for this match because it's not an MLS regular season match

Was the ability to purchase these tickets before everyone else wait a second. What kind of system is this? I've always thought that when you buy season tickets to a team that includes the exhibition games naturally Yeah, like naturally, but it's actually commonplace example, when you're a Miami Heat season ticket holder, you have to buy Playoff tickets. Yes. Because that's a different competition, is it not? Yes. But same goes for the League scum in MLS.

This is part for the course with international soccer. But they give you the, they give you the, they don't, it's not like if I'm a heat season ticket holder, at the beginning of the playoffs, I have to pay for four rounds as if we're going to go to find us every time. But it's not like home team every time. Every round. Yeah, that four games around the reimbursed your account for what they don't end up.

Well, they don't. Yeah, not exactly. They give it. Yeah, so that's it. There you go. Yeah. But I don't have to rush to do it because I'm a season ticket holder. It's my seats.

Right. But I'm battling other season ticket holders that are presumably doing the same thing that I am, but are they your seats? No, you're not guaranteed your own seats. So... Are you not guaranteed, are you trying to tell me that but for you doing it at that moment,

you would have been shut up. That's the only way that I got Midfield club. There were only two tickets left and Midfield club at a time I finished. So everybody at that time was on that website, no matter what they were doing, they're in the middle of a show and they're driving, whatever they're doing.

If they were smart, they got the email. They got the email from Inter Miami saying that you're pre-sale for the league's cup, which once again is a different competition than the one that I have seasoned tickets for. All those seasoned tickets have afforded me as a place in the line with my pre-sell password. And it's fine, it's cool.

I understand that, that's a way that all soccer works. If you're a Chelsea season ticket holder, well, this is a bad to make this example because they're not in Champions League. You don't get Champions League tickets in your package. You don't get FA Cup tickets in your package. You don't get league tickets. It's not about getting the tickets in your package.

It's, we're telling the timeliness. The timeliness and the right to purchase. Right. But I'm actually cool with this exchange because the reason why you're on a time crunches, you can buy more than you've already got as a season ticket holder. For example, I've only got two seats as a season ticket holder through this presale. I'm able to buy up to four tickets. Right. So I can actually when I'm able to buy up to four tickets, right? So I can actually, when I'm able to sell these, I can turn a profit that way, and I'm fine with the trade.

Like, okay, I don't get my own seats, but I can purchase two additional seats, and I can flip that to pay for the two seats that I have. Do you not have a rep? Yeah, I do, but I like to call the rep. Very trainsy. Have you tried to call it an inner my Amy rep over the last month? I have definitely not. No rep. Yeah, I do, but I like to call the rep very trainsy. Oh, have you tried to call it an intermine Amy rep over the last month? I have definitely not.

No, yeah, plenty of people have. Have you tried to call your rep today? Yeah, plenty of people have. If you email your rep, you get an automatic reply back that they're swamped with stuff. Thankfully, I have a good rapport with my rep and my rep gets back to me. I guess a priority account on those premises. But obviously not, because you had to be on your computer doing it at the exact time as every other normal person.

Yeah, but I had the information and I got the email. I know some season ticket holders for Inter Miami, they were like, where's the email? What folder did it get? And we had to send them the links that we got. How much heads up did you get on this? We got a couple days heads up. So did you have an alarm set?

I did. He did, I heard it. I did, but I also saw the email come in. I got an alert that the email came in that I could get in the waiting room for my tickets. I'm just upset because I wanted to accomplish something with you for work. And you were sitting there buying tickets for profit.

Well, look at you using that as content. There you go. So welcome to the show. They've been on my way. I do want to ask you a question about that. When it comes to the business of sports, right, in terms of like the thing that Mike just described, which is, I guess, Commonplace for soccer. I don't want to do this like this is a weird quirky soccer thing.

This is the case for every major American sport. If your team, if your favorite team makes a bowl game, you have to pay extra for that bowl game. No, that's not what I'm talking about, Mike. What I'm talking about is the example that I just used. If I'm a heat season ticket holder, yes. I paid for the exhibition games and regular season. Once we hit the playoffs, I am told, hey, you're seats.

You're built. You want them? Right? You opt in or opt in? Yeah, but do they tell you that you can buy extra seats? Yes, but not, and you can buy same location. You can buy different location. You get priority access to do that.

Right. Right. Not to put your seats in my seat. But my own seats, I don't have to rush. Yes, I do have to pay. Yeah. I don't have to sit on my computer. Oh, it's 10.01.

I don't have to do that. Yeah, what this is. But you're saying, but you're saying, this is a little messy. No, I get it. But you're saying that in soccer, that's how they do so. Man City fans, they had to like wait at 10-0-1, not fans, but Man City season two golders had to wait till 10-1.

I know. I'm a little out of my depth on knowing like all those particulars. Like I don't know every minute show on that. I do know that it's tricky getting certain tickets and there's pre-sales and club memberships and all sorts of hoops that you have to jump through in order to get to. I want to make it easier for people to get tickets. Do we do it better than any other other?

Well, no, no. No, we got ticket mass here. So we get screwed more. Yeah, we get screwed more. Like it's a very good at that. Yeah, it's a, we don't leave the world. Who doesn't have the best growing tickets? We have the dynamic pricing, which is a huge problem

that the federal government is trying to take care of. And it like anything, we're just going to end up paying for it. We're going to end up subsidizing whatever they do. Okay, we're going to remove the fees and dynamic pricing. Guess what? Tickets are just more expensive now on face value. Yeah. Like that's what I don't think dynamic pricing is an issue. Oh, it is. It's not up, not. I actually, Mike, I would like to tell you

what I think the issue is. It's the government's subset with the hidden fees. You actually had a reaction while you were buying your four tickets for profit on company time, that said, I can't believe how expensive this is. Yeah, these are. Was that the face value or the fees after you got the one.

They increased the face value. Like the face value of those tickets were more than the face value for my regular season ticket, but were there fees on those tickets? Yes, additional fees. Do you pay fees on your season tickets? Game by game. I don't think so. I don't think so.

This is my issue. Yeah. You know, the fee I hate is when you, because I used to go in person to stadiums to try to avoid the fees where I still get charged a service fee when it's like I am the one that's doing the work here. I had to drive, I had to park, I had to walk and you're still charging me the same fees. I had a chance to be the smartest stadium developer in the world. And I was denied that right by Major League Baseball.

In 2009, when Marlon's Park was being developed, I did not want any ticket windows. Major League Baseball did not allow. You didn't want a physical brick and mortar. All I wanted was one place for pickup, like a VIP will call. Right. Because I didn't want to pay people

to stand there and do a ticket transaction even though you promised the the city and county jobs. It'll do other jobs. Okay. There's plenty of other jobs. As a matter of fact, there's way more high-paying jobs for all the automation that goes on all the IT jobs. And I was pressioned in that ticket windows, Billy, are not a thing anymore.

There used to be, we used to make another number, I used to make up, where the number of people who came to FanFest, made up that number, the number of tickets sold on the on sale day, made up that number, and we would hire people to stand online for the photo op on day one. Wait, whoa, hell yeah, bring donuts. We hired extra ringers, ringers, ringers.

Everybody down, you bring it in onions. Oh, who would ever do that? It's all about how's it gonna look. And now without ticket windows, never have to worry about it again. There is no more hiring required. No more line, I'm done done lebertard Good luck today boy if you know I'm the way I know I'm growing up

Everyone knows a corn boy. I come in peace. Don't do that. You just embarrassed me so much Two guts, okay guys Nick Jonas is walking this way. Can we get him to say what's up? I know exactly like I'm gonna say we have chat on 18 Jonas is walking this way. Can we get him to say what's up? I know exactly what I'm gonna say. Can we chat on 18? Oh my god. I do.

Do we have girls? Yeah. We're gonna get, we're gonna get Barclay. Hey, what's up, Nate? Good luck today. That chat on 18, my god. Now, woo.

You made it. That's time you embarrassed us. Yeah, that's it. Boy. This is the Don Limitars Show with this two-gats. I don't know what level of friend you'd have to be to get the messy tickets that Mike Ryan now has, but Stu has walked in and in his desire to profit

another way, he found it. He wants market value tickets, face value tickets, to then resell Taking a second layer after Mike Ryan Well, I figure if Mike has extra tickets and Mike and I have been friends for a long time that Mike would give me to sell me to At face value now Mike knows me well enough to know that I am only gonna take those and Reselve them to make a profit. I'm not interested in tickets that are already jacked up, then I don't profit as much.

But he only bought the tickets to make a profit and you're not a good enough friend where he's going to be willing to give it to you, where he's going to give up his profit or even split his profit so you can then make yours. Okay, so that dream is dead. But my point is, I don't think there's any friend in the world. Like when you have something like that, something of value, there's messy first tickets, super bold tickets. Maybe it all starts tickets.

Where it's like, no, these don't go for this. Like they go for this price, the face value, if you are one of the people ignoring your job and sitting by your computer waiting for a 10-0-1 to hit or whatever. But there's no friend in the world. I would say, yeah, you can have him for face value. Absolutely. Well, what if you just paid face value? If I paid face value for them?

No, I'm new. You would charge the premium. I'm gonna give you a real world example. Teller Swift. I got teller Swift tickets for somebody. And I got them at face, which was extraordinarily... And you sold them to got them at face which was extraordinarily and you and you sold them to that person at face. At the exact number that I've faced.

But as you got them for someone, I had Taylor Swift tickets. Did you already have the ticket that I had? They've already purchased at fit not at face. Not at 5,000 a ticket. I'm talking about at 300 a ticket. I gave them to someone who asked for Taylor Swift tickets. You're telling me I should have charged 5,000 a ticket. Right, at face-down. I'm talking about at $300 a ticket. I gave them to someone who asked for Taylor Swift tickets. You're telling me I should have charged $5,000?

The person who asked, did they ask you this before you purchased a ticket or they knew you had tickets? Oh, do you have two more? No, I'm guessing they went to David as a person who could possibly get them Taylor Swift tickets. Okay, that's different. Right, that's different. So therefore I can't profit off that.

That one, no, because that is someone who's coming to you hat and hand saying, look, I'm not looking for a freebie. I just want to pay face value. Can you help me get face value tickets? Now you are an instrument. That wasn't the inquiry. What was it? What was it?

What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it?

What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? take it to mean face value. Him paint the pictures since it happened to him. Well hold on a second because I think this is what we're trying to get at. Different pictures. It's a different picture. We've moved on to a different picture. So you have four super bald tickets at face value. You have a fourth that is available. Someone at the bell doesn't matter.

So you're telling me that you would sell to your friend at market value and not face value. I'm because there should be a friend should pay less simply because they're your friend. Also, they'll be sitting next to you, not some stranger, which will make it a better viewing experience for you, I would think, right? If I can take this one or let's make them two tickets and make them pay for my two tickets and I pay all four of the two tickets that I paid pay for my two tickets and I pay all for the two tickets that I paid face value for. I'm absolutely gonna do that. Now, would I prefer it to be a friend? Sure, but I think it's, I would be, the other person is a bad friend to say, hey,

I know you're sitting on this pot of money, but you should throw it all away so that we can have a beer together. Like I'm sorry, I don't like you guys that much. These are all different scenarios. David's scenario was someone seemingly reached out to you and said, can you get me Taylor Swift tickets? And you got them at face value and sold them to them at face value. Correct. Mike had a situation where he intentionally bought tickets to resell. So, God's then wants Mike to sell him those tickets at face value so he himself can resell

them. And he can make the profit that might be making a mean situation is where he has bought these tickets and he has friends who actually want to attend the game and he is selling them the tickets at a jack the price so he himself makes the profits sits with his friends and they essentially paid for his tickets. I find it to be what a a great re-capped me, it is a great recap, it means your paying attention,

which is amazing despite evidence to the contrary, everywhere around me. That said, that is not very nice to do to your friend. Well, they don't have to do it, they can not do it and I can have a stranger sit next to me and pay for my, you don't want to have a share of moment, have a connection with somebody. Not really.

This is going to be an awkward setup because the two tickets that I have to resale are the two tickets that are next to mine and my wives. But they don't know that. So we're just, they don't know that, but I'll know it the entire time. And I'll just be like, that's the sucker. That's the guy. Yeah, what you do, you buy, you buy a beer for him beer for him is a thanks. It's on mid Now you never talk about it. Here's here's come with easy. Do you ever talk to anyone on an airplane or in a hotel You don't really see people when you're in the elevator. You don't say them. Hey, how much what's your room rate? Right when you're sitting on a plane, you know, say what you pay for the plane ticket right everyone pays a different amount for every ticket Everywhere, but one talks about it. It depends on the level of friend

that you're bringing to the Super Bowl. Like I would charge you face value if I brought you to the Super Bowl. I would. Was your friend. Pablo on the other hand. I'm happy. I like that face on net worth.

I like that. It's how close of a friend they are. I like that this two gods having like frequent file, flyer mile like levels of through God's having like frequent file flyer mile like levels of there's a gold membership of through God's friendship. There's a silver platinum executive platinum, you know, and it's like, you know, uh, Pablo's coming in with like lead. Right. And you have to pay above base value. Do you guys eat the fees? Like when you sell tickets to your friends, especially if it's

like a printed ticket with a price on it, do you eat the fees and so amortize it? Okay, because then it gets awkward because I had a situation I mean it was years ago when it wasn't as common But I was like these tickets were you know, $45 and like it says 30 them like yeah, but I got charged $15 and feed at the time. It's like I'm 20 years old like I don't have just extra $15 service to eat it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no Billy You got to do you got to do that. You know what you tack on a little service fee of your own the amine fee Yeah, five dollars. I want to accrue wealth You have to

Doesn't matter that you were 20 at the time that has to be your sort of raison d'etre at your age with your Salary no at the time. That's what I did But you still have to do it is my point. I mean, but now it's like families I'm just like I will treat you to this game. That's super nice of you. And I like treating people as well, but there are times that you have to draw the line or else you get sucked dry.

I will tell you that David got me and my wife, great tickets to a great show. Can I reveal this? You of course. Okay, to Bruce on Broadway. Oh yeah. The one that you said you wish it watched it on Netflix, right? Yeah. Uh, in the second row. Thank you. I mean, seriously, that was your review. I was happier to watch it on Netflix. It was I was so shocked to see

Springsteen have a a great sense of humor and a personality that I did not expect. But to your credit, you sold me those at face. You could have jacked them up. Those tickets were going for a lot of money. And you're not in my platinum line. I know, I'm not sick, I'm in any level. I mean, no, no, I mean, you're not led.

Thank you. At all, I'm like, I don't want to put you there, but I don't think that would be right. I would sell the messy tickets at cost, not face cause because the service is. That's what we mean by face. I would sell them to a friend that I knew was passionate about in Miami. I'll take them. All my friends that are passionate about in Miami have already gotten the tickets though.

So everybody who wanted tickets got them in a group chat. They were all, they stopped working all at the same time. I mean, if you've been listening to the show, I've been saying pretty strongly. Hey, there's a good chance. This is the season. So a lot of people took that advice and got season tickets. The master got to open this. Master's been to a couple. See, master hit me up. The master's like, I want to go to that. I came. I'm like, you were there. When will trap was running down the flank. This is something we hadn't contemplated before. And thank you for bringing it up. What we're now saying is it's not just level of friendship.

Now it's level of affinity. You're required. I've invited to get friends, but that they have to be a fan of the team. I've invited to Sugat. I've invited Sugat to a couple of games. And he's always said, I'm getting to it. Yeah. When Messi wasn't there, though.

One of the biggest arguments I got into with Jeffrey Luria is when someone took his tickets, owners tickets, and rooted against the Marlins. I lost my mind. Oh, Jeffrey. On Jeffrey. For giving that person the tickets. Now we met personally.

To be in his seats, rooting against his team. On what's your, on tickets that were free. I'm with Jeffrey. Jeffrey was a big Yankees fan, right? Yes. Yeah. So how did he feel during the World Series? Not even close, like no conflict.

Uh, it's, it's funny. He wrote a book and it just got released and there was a talk about that. That's sell. Uh, I, I don't have the, I don't have the rankings. It's not on the Apple podcast rankings. It's a fascinating book about art and about baseball. But he was a big Yankee fan, went to the perfect game, Don Larson, and he sat, little known fact,

he did not sit in the visiting owner's seats in the world series. He sat in his own season ticket seats. Really? Yes, which was, what do you do with the other seats? Box had to know. With a Yankee cap on Would have been something

To me couldn't lose I but oh no get out of here. He owned the more lady Let me just say this let me just say this that look as someone who's worked in for professional teams There's nothing that would make me say oh, but I grew up hell no I want the team that I work for winning all the time. There's not even a shred of, there's no tug of my heart, but my favorite team is playing no way. It depends, no way. No, the fans are different.

It depends at which level you work within that organization. I worked in the ticket office in Florida, Marlins. Like if they play the meds in the NLCS, I'm not rooting for the Morlins, but if I'm the vice president of the Morlins, that's a different story. I'm still rooting for the meds just secretly. I'd fire you. I would. That's not a laugh.

Fire everyone. Well, you got to root for your team. So I find it to be objectionable, but that's in the case of an owner giving seats. Mike, I think it's unreasonable that you require your friends to be, to show their love of inter-miami. No, I think he wants, he wants the person who purchases those tickets to be a big time soccer fit. Oh, I thought he said enter Miami fan. No, no, no, not a purchase. You're talking about if you were to sell at face value to a

friend, that friend. What have to care? Yeah, they can't be like Johnny come lately. Right, they can't be like a Sioux God. They can't be too generous. No, I'm what you know what? I like it. I like making them have to fight for it. Like show your passion. How about a non-friend though,

who's really passionate the way you are about the team? Like a non-friend? No, I wouldn't do that. Non-friend can buy them on resale. Yeah, check it. I thought I'd run all the bases, my. It's very complicated, Mike, and I think you're gonna

have to get in stock because you have so many flow charts to go through of who to do these tickets to and it was my priority. They're probably already sold. No, no, no, they haven't allowed me to resell. I could always go to another secondary market and with the understanding that once that person makes the agreement with me, I can transfer on ticket master,

but the official resell market has not opened yet. Inter Miami has not allowed for that yet. I would like to open applications to get your extra two seats and what it would take. And I'm going to submit my best. Remember these are all you can drink seats. Well, that just changed. Now you got to charge a premium. David, what are you charging again?

What do you mean? What would it take? It's going to take a lot of money. No, it doesn't take. It's more than money. It takes friendship, it takes love. I need to make a presentation about how much I love Inter Miami.

And I'm gonna do it so that Mike and I are sitting next to each other while I'm making fun of Jorge Mas.